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Xaser04
01-19-2008, 11:59 PM
Hi all,

Sorry for the rather obscure thread title but I thought it summed up exaclty as I felt as I opened the box to my new cooling / case setup today.

To put it more simply I am now water cooled. :D

After suffering a few mishaps on the re-seating of my Freezer 7 and with my old case starting to become a little restrictive in terms of interior space I decided to go the whole hog and replace my cooling setup and case at the same time.

Now as this is my first time using water, so to say I was aprehensive would be a giant under-statement.

Anyway rather than get completely confused with a custom setup I decided on the Thermaltake Armour Case (in black) which comes bundled with their own water cooling setup. Namely this one: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-044-TT&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=715

At the moment I don't have any pictures of my own but I am planning to upload them tommorow.

Overall first imrpessions of the setup are well excellent, it is quiet (much quieter than my old setup despite having more fans) and the actual water coling setup itself is excellent as well. Now I know its not as good as a fully custom setup but as a first timer to this sort of thing I am pleasantly suprised by how much it has dropped my temps compared to the old freezer 7 pro (whilst also being considerably quieter in the process).

Idle temps are now down to around 26/28 (core 0/1) in a relatively warm room with the heating on. (ambient I would say is roughly 23 degrees). Load temperatures have peaked at 49/50 degrees (core 0/1) whilst the average (according to the coretemp log ) is around 45/46 degrees.

This is down from a previous idle of 29/30 and a load (average) of 55/57.

These temperatures were done on an apples to apples comparison whilst looping 3DMark06 and with my E4300 clocked at 3ghz on 1.4v & using coretemp for temperature logging.

For a first timer installation was actually quite easy until I came to the point of mounting the pump and radiator into the bottom of the case. First off none of the holes lined up and secondly my GTX being so long half blocks the resevoir fill-up cap. Other than those two minor gripes installation went without a problem. I did make sure to leak test the system for a good two hours before installing (interestingly the guide in the manual says nothing about leak testing what-so-ever :wtf:)


So anyway I am waffling a little but I am really pleased not only with the kit itself but also at myself for staying calm when I came across any problems.

A couple teaser shots (the best I can do at the moment as I am tired (its 12:24AM here) and I can't move the case very well on the floor, please also excuse the cable mess. I am in the process of sorting it out.

Front:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/oweneades/DSCF0779.jpg

Side (excuse the lack of quality in this picture)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/oweneades/DSCF0780.jpg


Seperately and this is for anyone interested in this setup I should mention the following:

1) If you have a Asus P5N-E SLI motherboard you will either have to change the NB heatsink or do as I did and dremel a small metal look off of the waterblock bracket in order to fit the waterblock.

2) A GTX will not fit properly using the retention system that thermaltake use on the pci brackets. My solution to this was to cut out the parts that were blocking the card from fitting properly however you can if you wish un-screw the retention system and just use old and trusty screws (however in my case I couldn't do this as the back of the case was ever so slightly bent outwards meaning when I installed my GTX with screws it pulled the card out of the PCI-e slot.)

3) Again if you are running a P5N-E SLI make sure you have some form of active cooling on the NB heatsink otherwise it gets VERY toasty ( I learned the hard way and my finger really hurts :cry:)

EnergyFX
01-20-2008, 12:11 AM
welcome to the whet side

thoughtdisorder
01-20-2008, 12:14 AM
Sounds sweet Xaser! Can't wait to see the pics! :toast:

Xaser04
01-20-2008, 12:15 AM
He Thanks EnergyFX

Its funny that initially (and this does sound a tad stupid) I was really nervous about installing the water cooling loop simply because of the *omg what ifs.....* running through my head but once I got going, measuring the tubing, setting it all up for a dry run and then leak testing I lost all the nervous feeling and just enjoyied installing it.

:)

Thanks Thoughtdisorder, I will definately get pics up tommorow. I would tonight but the case is stupidly heavy and I can't fit beside it to get any decent pics (well that and I still need to work on the cable management / HD placement).

EDIT: I have uploaded a couple quick and dirty shots for now.

thegave
01-20-2008, 05:26 AM
Woo I want to do this.

But not a whole WC case. Too big.

Thinking a nice portable thing. Like those H20-120 things.

Need to find a mobo....

Xaser04
01-20-2008, 11:10 AM
Woo I want to do this.

But not a whole WC case. Too big.

Thinking a nice portable thing. Like those H20-120 things.

Need to find a mobo....

I was looking into one of the H20-220 extreme kits but for an extra 20 pounds I got the setup I have and it was more logical to do it this was as the WC kit I now have can if I wish be upgraded in the future relatively easily whereas the Swiftech compact kits are not so easily upgradable.

jpierce55
01-20-2008, 11:23 AM
That case looks awesome!

Xaser04
01-20-2008, 10:35 PM
Thanks,

I have taken a couple other pictures (and then my batteries died in my camera :rolleyes:)

(Please note I took the following pictures of the case with it in a different position to the pictures I first posted in case anyone is wondering why the location appears different)

Side Face on (with no side panel)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/oweneades/DSCF0781.jpg

Side at angle (again with no side panel)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/oweneades/DSCF0782.jpg

I have now moved the HD back up to the top left and sorted out some of the cables. Unforntunately due to the sheer size of the case I simply cannot hide some of the cables I would otherwise hide away (namely the 6 pin PCI-e cables for the GTX). I will be trying to find a longer SATA connector as the one I have just isn't long enough to reach the HD properly without crossing right through the case (the red cable in the pixtures).
Additionally the fan you can see in the middle of the picture is temporary (until I get a new motherboard). I have noticed that with the lack of any air flow the NB heatsink literally gets burning hot to the touch (seriously I learnt this the hard way).

More pictures and further updates will follow over the next few days.

jpierce55
01-21-2008, 09:26 AM
How is the cooling performance?

Xaser04
01-21-2008, 12:38 PM
How is the cooling performance?

As per my original post:

Overall first imrpessions of the setup are well excellent, it is quiet (much quieter than my old setup despite having more fans) and the actual water coling setup itself is excellent as well. Now I know its not as good as a fully custom setup but as a first timer to this sort of thing I am pleasantly suprised by how much it has dropped my temps compared to the old freezer 7 pro (whilst also being considerably quieter in the process).

Idle temps are now down to around 26/28 (core 0/1) in a relatively warm room with the heating on. (ambient I would say is roughly 23 degrees). Load temperatures have peaked at 49/50 degrees (core 0/1) whilst the average (according to the coretemp log ) is around 45/46 degrees.

This is down from a previous idle of 29/30 and a load (average) of 55/57.

These temperatures were done on an apples to apples comparison whilst looping 3DMark06 and with my E4300 clocked at 3ghz on 1.4v & using coretemp for temperature logging.

Additionally to this I have tested briefly (using the same testing methods) at 3.2ghz (1.46v) and whilst it was not stable to fully complete an 06 run I did manage to get a temperature log result which showed the temps to be the same as they were when the cpu was at 1.4v although the maximum did peak at 50/51 (up from 49/50) so it seems at the moment the water cooling is doing its job.

One I move around my study my temps should come down a bit as currently the case is next to a radiator that is on when I am most likely on the computer (hence the air flowing through the radiator is hotter than it would be normally). That will have to wait until an evening though.

I will be doing some further testing once I move the case so I will update this thread once I have done.

marsey99
01-21-2008, 01:16 PM
nice, im thinking off getting mine under some water too but i would also like to get the nb in the loop as well as mine gets a bit toasty too (or real bloody loud if i jack up the 60mm fan on my heatsink) but it would as we have almost the same setup :D

i was wondering what exactly you had running in your loop, block, barbs, tube size, you know the nitty gritty as i could do with getting my temps a bit cooler as i know i have pushed mine to the limits of the freezer 7 pro.

Xaser04
01-21-2008, 01:25 PM
My water cooling loop is made up of:

Thermaltake block (don't know the exact model)
Thermaltake 240mm Radiator
Thermaltake (assumed brand?!) 500l/ph pump with resevoir attached via a short connection (In theory these could be seperate)
Tubing is 3/8 Inch UV reactive
Barbs appear to be the bolt down affair (wheras you slide the tub onto the barb of say the block and then screw down the cover to secure it) - I am not too up on the terminology here but thats my take on it.

Sorry I can't be more descriptive as the block for example has no other branding than thermaltake.

One thing to watch Marsey would be the size of the NB heatsink (assuming you still have the stock one) It caused me a few mounting issues intially.

marsey99
01-21-2008, 01:30 PM
no mine is a noctua nc-06 with a 60mm fan strapped to it but i an thinking of getting it in th loop too.

Xaser04
01-21-2008, 01:32 PM
You should be ok with that on say my loop but as you are looking at sticking it in the loop anyway it shouldn't be much of an issue.

I may look at adding my GPU to the loop in the future but for now I am happy tinkering with what I have got. :)

marsey99
01-21-2008, 01:36 PM
you should be its a nice looking rig mine (http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9161/14012008017fs0.jpg) looks pants but it does the job ;)

Xaser04
01-21-2008, 02:06 PM
you should be its a nice looking rig mine (http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9161/14012008017fs0.jpg) looks pants but it does the job ;)

Thanks

I need longer SATA cables though.

marsey99
01-21-2008, 03:19 PM
nps

overclockers do 1m ones in silver but im after some with a 90 degree plug as mine push against the side panle behind my mobo atm. i really need a psu with a longer 5v line as mine is at the bottom but i have my eye on a antec quad 850 just to make sure i can power my next few upgrades but im not sure if its any longer :(

are the hdd at the top in yours with the psu on its side?

Xaser04
01-21-2008, 04:22 PM
nps

overclockers do 1m ones in silver but im after some with a 90 degree plug as mine push against the side panle behind my mobo atm. i really need a psu with a longer 5v line as mine is at the bottom but i have my eye on a antec quad 850 just to make sure i can power my next few upgrades but im not sure if its any longer :(

are the hdd at the top in yours with the psu on its side?

Yup The Hd is top left and the psu is behind it but on its side (annoying as the pci-e connectors for my GTX arn't long enough to hide).

There is space for about 8 Hd's at the front but that would block the radiator.

thegave
01-21-2008, 09:33 PM
Well the case looks enormous... And I was thinking a H20-120 would be enough for me, which is quite a bit cheaper than the 220.

There's a second hand wc kit floating around in the FS forum. Still need to negotiate with the guy cos I don't think I'll need his blocks.

marsey99
01-22-2008, 08:20 AM
sorry gave but if i was you i would get another mobo as that will stop any oc long before your cooling will.

EnergyFX
01-22-2008, 07:09 PM
... the pci-e connectors for my GTX arn't long enough to hide...

if you cant hide 'em, make 'em pretty

that's what i did

thegave
01-22-2008, 08:33 PM
sorry gave but if i was you i would get another mobo as that will stop any oc long before your cooling will.

I did. I said that somewhere in my original post, but anyhoo, Asus P4C800E Dlx arrived today =D