Some in game results R680

[EastCoasthandle]

The person reporting the results says that CCC was set to performance at 1680x1050 (no eye candy) completed on air using a dqx9770 @ 3.2 / ddr 2 1200 5-4-4-9 / DFI X38
3870X2 @ 777 core / 1127 mem. (gddr4)



bioshock max. fps - 75.5
crysis max. fps - 47
Rainbow Vegas max. fps - 124
3D 06 - 18K

Crysis benchmark program used.

source (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2711873&postcount=39)

Edit:
bench - 1680 x 1050 - XP pro - performance - qx9770 @ 3.2

[DrunkenMafia]

that sounds a little shitty!!! Especially with that cpu, if it was average fps then yeah great but MAX!!!

[EastCoasthandle]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/th_HD3870CF.png (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/HD3870CF.png)

Someone tested Crysis using the benchmark program and only got 48 FPS (highest frame rate) with 3870 CF setup.

Here is bit-tech's review (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/11/30/rv670_amd_ati_radeon_hd_3870/11) :confused::rolleyes:

[TonyStark]

that sounds a little shitty!!! Especially with that cpu, if it was average fps then yeah great but MAX!!!

One step at a time sport. Performance isn't going to quadruple with every new generation of products. Those numbers are quite impressive IMO. Anyone remember Doom3 and Oblivion? No hardware could play those games with maxed settings when they were released.


Besides, this is what previous gen hardware can do:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/gainward-bliss-8800gt/crysis10_hdr.gif

[kwchang007]

One step at a time sport. Performance isn't going to quadruple with every new generation of products. Those numbers are quite impressive IMO. Anyone remember Doom3 and Oblivion? No hardware could play those games with maxed settings when they were released.


Besides, this is what previous gen hardware can do:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/gainward-bliss-8800gt/crysis10_hdr.gif

No comparison....16 x anti-aliasing...compared to NO eye candy.

[TonyStark]

No comparison....16 x anti-aliasing...compared to NO eye candy.

Check again, its not AA, it is Anisotropic Filtering. AF only takes a small hit, and is practically "free" on the 8800's....

[kwchang007]

Check again, its not AA, it is Anisotropic Filtering. AF only takes a small hit, and is practically "free" on the 8800's....

Woops thanks. But uhh 16x....free?

Edit: Defiantly not a small hit
http://media.tomshardware.com/2007/10/29/geforce_8800_gt/benchj.png

[TonyStark]

Woops thanks. But uhh 16x....free?

Edit: Defiantly not a small hit
http://media.tomshardware.com/2007/10/29/geforce_8800_gt/benchj.png


You are confusing AA with AF. The chart you provided is AA, the one I provided is AF. :D

[ShadowFold]

You are confusing AA with AF. The chart you provided is AA, the one I provided is AF. :D

That and its Tomshardware

[kwchang007]

You are confusing AA with AF. The chart you provided is AA, the one I provided is AF. :D

Yes, but there's defiantly a big difference between no AF and 16x AF is my point, the thing is you just can't compare something that's running 16x AF to something that's running no AF. Also, to the Toms' hardware comment, even if they're 20% off, that's still a large difference in fps compared to 16x AF.

[Blacklash]

Watch X-Bit they often turn on Quality Adaptive AA when they bench ATi cards. So that is going to cause a performance hit in some cases with the current gen. From that GLH review:

ATI Catalyst:

* Catalyst A.I.: Standard
* Mipmap Detail Level: High Quality
* High Quality AF: On
* Wait for vertical refresh: Always Off
* Enable Adaptive Anti-Aliasing: On/Quality
* Method: Multi-sampling
* Temporal Anti-Aliasing: Off
* Other settings: default

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gainward-bliss-8800gt_6.html#sect0

I've said before and will say again, I'll be snapping a HD 3870 X2 up if it works in titles where Crossfire is often broken.

[EastCoasthandle]

Watch X-Bit they often turn on Quality Adaptive AA when they bench ATi cards. So that is going to cause a performance hit in some cases with the current gen. From that GLH review:

ATI Catalyst:

* Catalyst A.I.: Standard
* Mipmap Detail Level: High Quality
* High Quality AF: On
* Wait for vertical refresh: Always Off
* Enable Adaptive Anti-Aliasing: On/Quality
* Method: Multi-sampling
* Temporal Anti-Aliasing: Off
* Other settings: default

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gainward-bliss-8800gt_6.html#sect0

I've said before and will say again, I'll be snapping a HD 3870 X2 up if it works in titles where Crossfire is often broken.

Good eye, I will scratch them off my review list. They made no mention of CCC settings (unless I missed it). In any case, when you enable Ad-AA to quality you set it to Super-Sample, not mulit-sample. That's why the frame rates on the ATI card are so low.

[NU(GFX)T]

Evil is in the details.

The person reporting the results says that CCC was set to performance ...


Why did he bench at performance? That's two notches down from where CCC's default setting sits wich is "high quality." High Quality-->Quality-->Performance results in a performance boost.

The bench result won't be comaparable with the results we know from other cards benched under the default setting.






Good eye, I will scratch them off my review list. They made no mention of this in the previous review that I linked (unless I missed it). In any case, when you enable Ad-AA to quality you set it to Super-Sample, not mulit-sample. That's why the frame rates on the ATI card are so low. Multi-sampling doesn't have a "quality" setting.

The problem is Transparency or Adaptive AA do not work in Crysis even if turned on in the driver control panel due to the way engine handles foliage AA. The engine has its own way of foliage AA according to James Wang that kicks in at "very high" setting.

There is a rather sad issue with the way antialiasing works in Crysis. This comes directly from NVIDIA’s James Wang on the use of Transparency Antialiasing in Crysis: ” Crysis handles foliage very differently from normal engines so TRMS/SS won't work. Bit of a shame really. The game has some built-in foliage AA, but it only kicks in in "Very high" quality mode.” Even if you could enable it, the performance doesn’t seem there yet for it anyway with current video cards (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxMCwzLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==)

[Xaser04]

One step at a time sport. Performance isn't going to quadruple with every new generation of products. Those numbers are quite impressive IMO. Anyone remember Doom3 and Oblivion? No hardware could play those games with maxed settings when they were released.


Besides, this is what previous gen hardware can do:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/gainward-bliss-8800gt/crysis10_hdr.gif

It should be noted that the x-bit review (as above) is done under Dx10 (and makes no mention of the actual settings used in game) wheras the op benchmark was running XP pro (so DX9) so the two are not directly comparable.

[NU(GFX)T]

The text above and below the X-bit benchmark graph says "Very High" quality setting. That's an in-game option setting everything to "Very High."

[Xaser04]

The text above and below the X-bit benchmark graph says "Very High" quality setting. That's an in-game option setting everything to "Very High."

Where does it say that? I can't see any mention of the detail settings used on the graph I quoetd (are you talking about a different graph?!)

[EastCoasthandle]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/1211817_IMG_4248_mthumb.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/1211817_IMG_4255_mthumb.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/1211817_IMG_4245_mthumb.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/1211817_IMG_4258_mthumb.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/1211817_IMG_4253_mthumb.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/1211817_IMG_4250_mthumb.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/1211817_IMG_4249_mthumb.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/1211817_IMG_4243_mthumb.jpg



source (http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.php?tid=15308&extra=page%3D1)

[Blacklash]

Nice pics. I am ready to grab one, or two...

[trog100]

i will probly buy one if the price is right even thow i did get rid of my second 3870 card and 790x mobo..

hard to fathom why thow.. he he

praps its just cos crossfire on a stick seems neater..

trog

..

[ShadowFold]

8pin + 6pin = WOW. Look at it! It needs a 8pin and 6pin power connecter to power it.. damn thats one powerfull card. Considering the single cards only need a 6pin this should be really powerfull.

[trog100]

it will probably draw less power than one 2900xt card did thow.. praps about the same but no more..

how it goes is down to game crossfire support and ati drivers.. for some things it wont go any better than a single 3870 card does.. just like quad core cpus dont..

trog

[Xaser04]

Like the 2900XT can this card be run with 2 6 pin pci-e connectors? (I don't want to get a new PSU to get one lol).

[NU(GFX)T]

Where does it say that? I can't see any mention of the detail settings used on the graph I quoetd (are you talking about a different graph?!)

Actual text on the page where the graph is.

The game being too hard at its Very High level of detail, we benchmarked the cards without FSAA to get a more playable speed.



Not only the frequency of the shader processors but also their amount is important for Crysis. This can be seen from the results: the Gainward Bliss 8800 GT 512MB GS GLH can’t catch up with the Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX in any of the test modes.

Anyway, the currently available hardware doesn’t allow to play Crysis normally at the Very High level of detail.


http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gainward-bliss-8800gt_9.html#sect1

[EastCoasthandle]

R680 spotted (http://www.techdepot.com/pro/product.asp?stchg=1&productid=5775313&affid=10000485) but I'm not interested at that price

[EastCoasthandle]

S1 (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=28070&vpn=S1&manufacture=Others)
A1 (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=28068&vpn=A1&manufacture=Others)
hmm :wtf:

[erocker]

Reviews will be out tomorrow. Technically that's about an hour away for me.

[EastCoasthandle]

Looks like a PCIe 2.0 maybe needed/required in order to achieve the frame rates this video card is intended to produce


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/200801211916224385.jpg
Source (http://www.pczilla.net/post/89.html)


As you know, on the board ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 is two graphics processor. According to the information available at the reference motherboard ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 will be installed 1 GB of memory GDDR3, which operates at a frequency of 2 GHz processors and related 256 - bit tyres. The product is meant for connecting to the bus PCI Express 2.0, which interact with the responsibility of the special chip-bridge. The truth seems to be in this role will be used PEX6347 not, as expected, but PEX8548. At the given scheme, the bridge is at the centre of charges between the two processors. Near each processor can be found on four chip memory.

The following illustration shows that the transition from PCI Express 1.1 for PCI Express 2.0 provides a noticeable increase in productivity - around 20-30%, depending on the application and the screen resolution.
source (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1119372&postcount=351)

[erocker]

Like I've said, if it proves to be faster than 2 3870's in CF I will get it. I very excited about this card.

[erocker]

http://www.teknolojiherseyim.com/ati-hd3870x2-yeni-testler/
Pretty sweet 06 score with a QX9650 at 3.6ghz. @2560x1600 mind you!

[GLD]

i will probly buy one if the price is right even thow i did get rid of my second 3870 card and 790x mobo..

hard to fathom why thow.. he he

praps its just cos crossfire on a stick seems neater..

trog

..

Dang Trog, you are an enigma. :confused:

[erocker]

Full review HERE!!! (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=228355):eek:
:rockout::rockout::rockout:

[erocker]

A couple pics not in the review with the power consumption of the Ultra vs. the X2

[AsRock]

8pin + 6pin = WOW. Look at it! It needs a 8pin and 6pin power connecter to power it.. damn thats one powerfull card. Considering the single cards only need a 6pin this should be really powerful.

:| And 2 cards take 2x6pin or even with the 2x 2900XT take 2x6 +2x8 pin so the 3870 x2 looks like it takes a lot less power considering.

Like the 2900XT can this card be run with 2 6 pin pci-e connectors? (I don't want to get a new PSU to get one lol).

Yes you can use 2x6 pci-e connectors not sure if your PSU will handle it for long though mine old 600w lasted about 5 month till comp started to shutdown in games..


Sounds like they done some real nice tweaks with it. I really hope it works out for AMD..

[AsRock]

Why don't it have GDDR4 on it :|. i hope they do some with GDDR4 i guess will have to wait huh.