Radeon HD 3850 to AGP [Archive] - techPowerUp! Forums

DaMulta

01-25-2008, 09:02 PM

Maybe im missing something, but isn't AGP old / outdated tech? Why would they bother releasing a fairly modern card for a PC that is old and probably couldn't handle it?

Because people have old 3Ghz machines and they still think that they are as fast as todays 3Ghz machine with no need to upgrade....

intel igent

01-25-2008, 09:22 PM

Because people have old 3Ghz machines and they still think that they are as fast as todays 3Ghz machine with no need to upgrade....

my PC works just fine for what i use it for but i need better GFX so that i can get to play some of the newer games.

an update is in the future ;)

if you ask me AMD is smart to do this :rockout:

:toast:

Atom_Anti

01-28-2008, 11:13 PM

Here is the Club3D HD 3850 512MB AGP Edition with picture and document sheet:
http://www.club3d.nl/index.php/products/graphics/item/320 :)

To me this is the most handsome HD 3850 AGP so far:respect:.

Mandown

01-29-2008, 04:47 PM

Man so many different companies are claiming too produce the AGP 3850. Sapphire, Powercolor, Club3d, Gecube, and probably Visiontek and HIS. Sapphire's card is clocked higher than the rest, even most of the Pci-e counterparts. Sounds real promissing.

hmmmmmmm...... I wonder what temperature the RIALTO chip will be at with load, maybe it can heat my processor so I can overclock higher.:roll::nutkick::roll:

Atom_Anti

01-30-2008, 08:03 PM

I knew few companies announced HD 3850 AGP cards, but I thougt can be interesting some pictures or document sheet about the club3d version.

The interesting what I was reading there, it is need for 450W high quality power supply:wtf:. I hope not, because I have 400W noname supply.

candle_86

01-31-2008, 04:16 AM

So did the Geforce 6800Ultra and it was found a highquality 350 could do it fine.

erocker

02-14-2008, 06:33 PM

Here's a little somthing on the 3850 agp courtesy of The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/14/agp-nth-coming). Looks like it'll be here any day now!:D

Atom_Anti

02-14-2008, 09:40 PM

Goood! I have been waiting for it for 7 week.

Gump

02-14-2008, 10:45 PM

Who's feelin lucky?

http://www.excaliberpc.com/Sapphire_100228L_Radeon_HD_3850/100228L/partinfo-id-584979.html

sendkeys

02-15-2008, 04:32 AM

Here's a little somthing on the 3850 agp courtesy of The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/14/agp-nth-coming). Looks like it'll be here any day now!:D

Looks good :) Now im' wondering what one is better powercolor or Sapphire?

Sapphire looks like it has a better cooler and clocked higher but the last Sapphire 3850 didn't bench that high.

KainXS

02-15-2008, 05:35 AM

too bad the 3850's AGP brother dosen't support vista or DX10

"No Vista / DX10 support"

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/14/agp-nth-coming

I think I might be able to mod up some drivers for it though but I have the pcie version

arctic89

02-17-2008, 07:32 AM

holy crap found one! :eek:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102730&Tpk=100228L

lemonadesoda

02-17-2008, 09:15 AM

too bad the 3850's AGP brother dosen't support vista or DX10

"No Vista / DX10 support"

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/14/agp-nth-coming

The inquirer is WRONG.

The hardware DOES support Vista and DX10. It's only that the CURRENT RELEASE drivers are new and the drivers dont support Vista yet... and THEREFORE... since DX10 is Vista only... the drivers are, by implication, not able to run games at DX10.

It's just a matter of driver maturity... just give it a month or two and the drivers will be Vista compatible. Anyway, does it really matter? Name three games that are DX10 ONLY... Or name those users on AGP that arent happy with XP or Windows 2003 and want to run Vista...

No, this card is not for people wanting to upgrade to the latest technology, or rebuild their entire HD/OS. This card is for people who have a fully stable, competent base platform, but want extra OOMPF in the graphics department. e.g. my setup.

Atom_Anti

02-17-2008, 12:06 PM

holy crap found one! :eek:

Nice job Dude!:toast:

15th Warlock

02-17-2008, 05:44 PM

holy crap found one! :eek:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102730&Tpk=100228L

Saw your post at G3D too, great find mate!! :toast:

Gonna hold on a little bit more and either get the Powercolor or the GECUBE board; a few more days of waiting won't kill me, and the Sapphire board's cooler don't inspire me any confidence :pimp:

arctic89

02-17-2008, 08:18 PM

yea i was so tempted to order it from sapphire but seeing that it only uses crappy single slot cooling and getting a 3rd party cooler would need more cash.. i'll wait wait for gecube board, it should be available next week (i think?) http://www.gecube.com/press-release-detail.php?id=69914 :toast:

edit: oh does anyone even have a pic of the gecube 3850 agp? hopefully it'll use a dual slot cooler

sendkeys

02-18-2008, 01:48 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sapphire-ATI-Radeon-HD3850-512MB-DDR3-2DVI-AGP-Video-Ca_W0QQitemZ170194219536QQihZ007QQcategoryZ80190QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

213+ ship :) Sapphire

few days later now it works in vista http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/16/3850-agp-supported-vista

Gato

02-20-2008, 02:44 AM

I have a 2.8 GHz P4 with 512MB of RAM on an AOpen s651m motherboard. I'm planning to upgrade the RAM to 1 or 2 GHz. I'm looking at a 7600 GS AGP card to go along with the upgrade, but now I am not so sure... would it be advisable to wait for the HD3850?

Morgoth

02-20-2008, 03:14 PM

your 2,8ghz p4 is a huge bottleneck for hd3850

Gato

02-20-2008, 11:58 PM

OK, then. I guess it isn't worth the money. I'm still looking for a replacement for my Radeon 7500 PCI - preferably a 512MB AGP card. What about any of the following 512MB AGP cards?

GeCube X1550 Pro
Palit 7300 GT Super
Inno3D 7600GS
Inno3D 7300 GT

15th Warlock

02-23-2008, 05:56 AM

Ah.. what the hell, I took the plunge and ordered the Sapphire card! :twitch:

After having two Sapphire cards die on me some time ago (a 9200SE and a X800GTO) I had promised not to buy a Sapphire card again, but I couldn't wait any longer... I decided to get it for three reasons:

1. It's the only AGP 3850 available in the US right now (not a solid reason, I know that'll change in the near future, but read reason 2)

2. After visiting the Powercolor forum and reading the posts about ppl complaining about their AGP 3850 cards in Europe, I decided not to get the Powercolor board, Sapphire cards seem to have less quality problems than Powercolor cards ATM; GeCube cards won't be available till the end of march according to e-mails from the company, so that's not an option either.

3. This is the final update this PC will get 'till I start building my new rig, and this PC goes to my bedroom to retire as an HTPC, so in the end I just wanted this rig to retire with dignity, and as soon as possible, just in time for the 790i boards, 9800GTX cards, and new quads from Intel to arrive.

So I ended up getting the 3850 from Sappphire and a Zalman VF900 Cu cooler, both from Newegg, about $260 w/ S&H and tax included, not bad for a final upgrade before the big move to PCIe takes place :toast:

trog100

02-23-2008, 02:28 PM

your 2,8ghz p4 is a huge bottleneck for hd3850

mostly in low resolution benchmarks not that much in the average higher resolution game.. its an upgrade that is still well worth doing for someone who wants to extend their system life..

P4 or not it will still play most games in a reasonable fashion.. not much good for supreme commander thow.. but that is a one off..

trog

arctic89

02-23-2008, 04:18 PM

It'll make a great htpc when you retire it, you'll be able to playback blu-rays and hddvds...errr i mean just blu-rays without a hitch even on that p4. :roll:

15th Warlock

02-24-2008, 06:53 AM

It'll make a great htpc when you retire it, you'll be able to playback blu-rays and hddvds...errr i mean just blu-rays without a hitch even on that p4. :roll:

Lol! yeah, thanks, I think I can connect my USB HD-DVD drive to watch some of the movies I bought before the $hit hit the fan for that format, I will also get a BD-ROM for blu ray movies :rockout:

What about you? Are you getting the Sapphire card, or are you still waiting for the GeCube card?

arctic89

02-24-2008, 04:04 PM

Atom_Anti

02-24-2008, 04:11 PM

Gecube tech support said before march now before April...

Damn it Gecube:mad:!

15th Warlock

02-24-2008, 09:58 PM

Gecube tech support said before march now before April...so i got the sapphire.
Yep ordered it a few days ago along with the zalman vf900-cu, i will get it this Wednesday. Should last me a year or two longer but full upgrade heh. If only the cat 8.2 works..:banghead:

Cheers on the cooler choice mate, that's exactly the one I picked! Just checked my order status and I should get mine around wednesday or thursday! :toast:

Geez, it seems for now Sapphire is the only way to go, I wonder why Powercolor and GeCube jumped the gun and announced the release for their cards sooooo long ago, guess they are still waiting for official driver support once the 8.3 cats are released??:confused::confused:

Strange Attractor

02-26-2008, 01:17 AM

Anyone interested in some benchmarks?

system -
Athlon 64 X2 4400+
Nforce 3 MB
2 GB 400mhz DDR ram

with my previous video card, an X1950 pro HIS IceQ turbo -

3Dmark 03- 14,639
3Dmark 05- 9,225
3Dmark 06- 4,676
Lost Coast stress test - 96 fps

with the saphire 3850-

3Dmark 03- 27,604
3Dmark 05- 12,081
3Dmark 06- 7,724
Lost Coast stress test - 95 fps?????? :eek::wtf:

ShadowFold

02-26-2008, 01:19 AM

Strange Attractor

02-26-2008, 01:25 AM

Who cares about that now...something is seriously wrong. I just played my first real game, Call of Duty 4, and I'm getting fame rates that are literally half of what I got on my x1950, between 17 - 23.

what

the

hell

lemonadesoda

02-26-2008, 01:36 AM

Drivers drivers drivers... dont panic. You've nearly DOUBLED performance on 3DmarkX... so there must be a driver/DirectX conflict with some games.

I hope these tips arent TOO obvious:

1./ Strip machine of all ATI drivers, use cleaner
2./ Install latest compatible drivers (I think its 8.2 with a hack... check internet). Dont install CCC. Just the drivers.
3./ Make sure display properties turned up to FULL hardware acceleration.

In games, make sure you reconfigure the video settings. And check they are the same as before, ie. resolution, FSAA etc.

Good luck. We are all looking on with interest...

lemonadesoda

02-26-2008, 01:39 AM

Thats pretty bad man. I can get 8060 with a PCI-E HD 3850 and a Stock 4200+ X2.
Thats not bad at all!!!... the benchmarks are testing the GPU mainly, not the CPU... so at 7724 vs 8060 that's only 3.5% performance loss being on AGP vs. PCI-E. And that's probably nothing to do with AGP, but the system chipset Nforce 3 vs 410 and memory speeds, AND your overclocked GPU (compared to the AGP version).

Strange Attractor

02-26-2008, 01:46 AM

I used driver cleaner before I installed but there were a few failed attempts before the drivers "took" I will try it again, other two suggestions check out.

I should mention that both ATI and Omega drives refused to install. The only ones that works was the included CD.

I'm about try Bioshock now...

edit - I'll try uninstalling CCC as well

2nd edit - Bioshock is MUCH smoother. Guess this is a semi isolated problem COD4 plays terribly and Source has identical to last card.

lemonadesoda

02-26-2008, 02:03 AM

>> google for the driver hacks to get 8.2 to work on AGP. Its something to do with editting the script that contains the device ID. Its a very easy hack once you know how.

Apparently the included CD drivers are not the best... 8.2 is MUCH better.

ShadowFold

02-26-2008, 02:04 AM

Thats not bad at all!!!... the benchmarks are testing the GPU mainly, not the CPU... so at 7724 vs 8060 that's only 3.5% performance loss being on AGP vs. PCI-E. And that's probably nothing to do with AGP, but the system chipset Nforce 3 vs 410 and memory speeds, AND your overclocked GPU (compared to the AGP version).

oh I didnt see he had a nforce 3 and yea my 3850 is clocked pretty high lol

Strange Attractor

02-26-2008, 02:28 AM

I just did a Google search for "driver hack 8.2 ati agp" and the very first link to pop up was my post in this thread lol.

Strange Attractor

02-26-2008, 02:37 AM

Well I searched all over Google and I couldn't find it. If someone could provide a link I'd appreciate it. Sorry for being a pain.

Strange Attractor

02-26-2008, 09:10 PM

bump

SynCroNiz3

02-26-2008, 10:04 PM

I plan on getting this card for my athlon x2 4200 @ 2.4 i just have a question. Does the agp version of this card have the same performance as the pci express??. For you guys with this card keep posting ur benchmark results please:).

karatekatadvd

02-29-2008, 07:35 PM

Looks good :)

- HIS HD 3850 IceQ 3 Turbo (Full HD 1080p) HDMI 512MB (256bit) GDDR3 Dual DL-DVI & TV (HDCP) AGP (http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.php?id=373&view=yes)

- HIS HD 3850 (Full HD 1080p) HDMI 512MB (256bit) GDDR3 Dual DL-DVI & TV (HDCP) AGP (http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.php?id=374&view=yes)

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