I see more threads locked over ATI/Nvidia!

[niko084]

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<RANT
This is ridiculous people.... There are more threads locked discussing ATI/Nvidia then anything...

People its hardware and different people have different views and facts are facts...
Its completely ridiculous how so many people start huge arguments and then turn them personal over such stupid things.

So I like ATI so you like Nvidia or vice versa, so what?!?!?
So somebody is a fanboy, let em have it.

Some people seriously need to grow up and stop getting so personal about these dumb little things. The majority of us are in the least fairly intelligent, we can find better things to argue about and in the least keep it to the argument and keep it calm and respectful, its not hard.

This should really follow to everything else discussed to...
Honestly I'm surprised and very glad that the "who do you want president" thread has not gone to **** yet and has remained calm.

It doesn't take a whole lot people, if you are getting upset about something and can't keep it calm, simply don't post and take a break.

/Rant>

[Paulieg]

Totally agree. I posted something similar in another recent Nvidia vs. ATI thread.

[JrRacinFan]

Agree and pretty soon, someone is going to lock this one. :p

[niko084]

Possibly, I just hope some people read it and the amount of crap we get takes a slight decline in the least.

[KainXS]

then what are we waiting for
lets get this one locked too, who wants to start

[intel igent]

i could not agree with you more and it is not solely ATI/NvIDIa threads.

there has been an influx in members posting nothing TRULY usefull to the community. i have noticed this over the last few months. its getting worse.

i guess there was a clean-up @ [H] and we got the leftovers

glad some ppl have the same views as me

:toast:

[intel igent]

then what are we waiting for
lets get this one locked too, who wants to start

whats the point of this?

this is an exact example of what im talking about

[niko084]

Ya, thats kinda what I meant when I said I hope things change across the boards because you see it a lot in video card discussions but it does follow other places as well..

[btarunr]

Ironically heated ATI/NVidia threads got on a rise after ATI became a more competitive so it's not just fanboyism but a clash of ideologies, egos more than a clash of facts, perspectives.

The only problem comes where people begin to become passionate about defending their beliefs.

[intel igent]

The only problem comes where people begin to become passionate about defending their beliefs.

NO the only probem comes when ppl substitute ignorance for intelligece.

:toast:

[btarunr]

NO the only problem comes when people substitute ignorance for intelligence.

:toast:

While ignorance fuels certain people, others are both intelligent and passionate about defending their contention and that brings in a lot of unwanted stuff. The most recent ATI vs. NVidia thread that got closed is a text-book example of that.

[intel igent]

While ignorance fuels certain people, others are both intelligent and passionate about defending their contention and that brings in a lot of unwanted stuff. The most recent ATI vs. NVidia thread that got closed is a text-book example of that.

yes it is a perfect example of itelligence being replaced by ignorance. you know it and i know it.

thats what separates us from the others we know the difference between the 2 and when to draw the line.

:toast:

[btarunr]

That thread was a case of a perfectly normal intellectual discussion taking an ugly turn, the participants of the discussion weren't ignorant, they did seem to have a decent know-how and they were quoting valid points which were factually okay, so no ignorance there in that context, however instead of ignorance there was a bigger demon, that of irresponsible behaviour. Most of us are older than say 15 years and are expected to behave ourselves when in an international, intercommunal forum.

[Triprift]

I think the problem is some ppl get really fired up and instead of settling things over pm's they have to post threatning or totally unnesasary posts wich can lead to the other party responding the same then we get a closed thread seen it abit recently.

[thoughtdisorder]

That thread was a case of a perfectly normal intellectual discussion taking an ugly turn, the participants of the discussion weren't ignorant, they did seem to have a decent know-how and they were quoting valid points which were factually okay, so no ignorance there in that context, however instead of ignorance there was a bigger demon, that of irresponsible behaviour. Most of us are older than say 15 years and are expected to behave ourselves when in an international, intercommunal forum.

Agreed. While I have seen some blatant immaturity in posts, I have not witnessed a whole lot of ignorance. What I have noticed, is there are a lot of intelligent people here who have passionate disagreements. Not uncommon when you have a lot of intelligent people weighing in on the same issues. There will be disagreements, and this is sometimes healthy. The key is knowing when to draw the line. (That's where maturity comes in) Just my two cents.....

[candle_86]

Ironically heated ATI/NVidia threads got on a rise after ATI became a more competitive so it's not just fanboyism but a clash of ideologies, egos more than a clash of facts, perspectives.

The only problem comes where people begin to become passionate about defending their beliefs.

hehe thats because untill last week AMD had nothing worth paying attetion to actully.

[Hawk1]

hehe thats because untill last week AMD had nothing worth paying attetion to actully.

+1 (for the top end at least)

[intel igent]

when i say ignorance i dont mean that ppl are posting without having ANY knowledge of what they are posting just that the MANNER in which they are posting is ignorant.

ppl are to combative and not willing to uderstand/reply with reason to what others are posting.

^^that is the type ignorance im reffering to.

i love the interweb it gives every1 balls. OH NO ITS THE E-THUGS!

:laugh:

sadly im done with this thread bcuz it is heading in the direction of the very topic we are discussing.

that should tell you something bta.

good topic/thread niko. i only hope ppl read this and it has a positive effect on our forum

:toast:

[btarunr]

I've already highlighted that under irresponsible behaviour, I'm not disagreeing with you, just that I stuck to the dictionary meaning of ignorance. :toast:
I'm done as well.

[candle_86]

lol i was being honest, not fanoish, thats why these started is because AMD is competive agian. If they wern't those threads would be pointless:rockout:

[intel igent]

I've already highlighted that under irresponsible behaviour, I'm not disagreeing with you, just that I stuck to the dictionary meaning of ignorance. :toast:
I'm done as well.

communication IS key ;)

:toast:

[erocker]

communication IS key ;)

:toast:

Indeed it is. Which is why I usually don't let anything from the internet to get me worked up. Candle has erm.. "lit my flame" :laugh: a couple times, but I totally respect his opinion. Ignorance is rampant everywhere, and it's up to people that know better to, forgive me; ignore the ignorance:ohwell: and lead by example. :)

[KainXS]

Finish The Fight and close this thread already, this thread is already breaking down.

[btarunr]

1. There's no fight, not a single disagreement/flame/slur (except a 'no' which was out of communication, not disgreement)
2. This is General Nonsense.
3. It has served its purpose so far but it's good to see more people responding to the topic in a constructive way as this is a valid issue that pertains to the overall health of the forums. (I've seen four users get banned in <24 hours in a flash).

[erocker]

Finish The Fight and close this thread already, this thread is already breaking down.

You just need to stop posting and there will be no more problems.:rolleyes:

[niko084]

It's simply something that needs to be said, most people lets be honest don't read the rules...

Some people just know where the lines should be and follow them very well, with a gray area step over every now and then, acceptable as long as its rare and gray area.

Others tend to over push things and when they either
1- find out they were wrong
2- cannot win with facts
3- simply bring it to a personal level

This is when problems occur, its completely ridiculous, I myself have pm'd people when I see posts that really should not say what they do, and generally I get a reply back *Yes I guess that was a bit overkill* and they edit it and add a quick apology sometimes.

I think it could be helpful if some of the more "mature calm and collected" members of the forum did the same thing.

I like many here and always up for a good argument as long as its civil and productive.
People get personal on me, I roll my eyes, say immature kids and most likely uneducated and continue with something else.

[Kreij]

People get personal on me, I roll my eyes, say immature kids and most likely uneducated and continue with something else.

Niko, you're such a pansy. :D

Sorry couldn't resist. The reason people do it is because they are anonymous when on the internet, hiding behind their alias, and confident know one is going to come to their house and kick the crap out of them for trash talking.

[imperialreign]

I agree there've been some threads that are just . . . tripe

but, IDK, maybe it wouldn't be so bad if we had more users acting like actual adults instead of resorting to the immaturity (like the desktop thread - if anyone caught that :rolleyes: ).

We also seem to have a lot of newer users who'll carry a grudge from one thread to the next, which really doesn't help either. I can heavily disgree with someone in one thread, but I'm more than willing to help them out in the next; but, it seems some people just can't do that . . .

but, I saw that nvidia/ati thread going south quick, so I completely avioded it after a while, also - there's no point in throwing anything into the mix when it's that buggared up.

[KainXS]

You just need to stop posting and there will be no more problems.:rolleyes:

screw you erocker, you think I should stop posting, I know exactly what I'm posting and if you can't see that I'm joking then you are an idiot

[niko084]

screw you erocker, you think I should stop posting, I know exactly what I'm posting and if you can't see that I'm joking then you are an idiot

Exactly the issue....

How about we try-

Heh man I know what I'm posting, I'm just kidding around. :toast:

That sounds so much better.

[erocker]

I agree niko. I guess I'm an idiot for not guessing what is sarcasm and what is not. It's so easy to see when you are looking at print with no inclination of sarcasm. Gosh, I'm awfully sorry Kain.

[candle_86]

i can agree, while i started posting recently i do see a trend with users getting a grudge.

[wazzledoozle]

Well what do you expect if you blatantly tell someone to stop posting, erocker? :rolleyes:

Calm down, no one is crapping in your cheerios....

[erocker]

Well what do you expect if you blatantly tell someone to stop posting, erocker? :rolleyes:

Calm down, no one is crapping in your cheerios....

:o I was being sarcastic.:p Wow.. I really do eat Cheerios every morning.

[candle_86]

may i crap in them please, oh pretty please

[erocker]

If by crap you mean pour 2% milk into them, yes.:D:toast: If you mean to poo in my cereal I'd have to say no.:( What is really sick is there are people into that stuff. (put vomit smiley here) Anyways, what is this thread about? Oh yes, thread locking over ATi/Nvidia arguments, fanboism, and flame wars. I really don't know what to say, other than it's pointless to argue over it. I'm a "flip-flopper" as so famously made popular by the U.S.'s last Presidential election. We all remember John Kerry don't we? Ugh, it would of been horrible having Herman Munster as President, but instead we have a crude-oil freebasing Alfred E. Neuman clone. Anyways, back to "flip-flopper" which I previously dubbed myself. I've had every brand of video card under the sun. Whenever I buy a video card, I look for performance first, then price, then factor the two together and viola! (As the French say... remember freedom fries?:laugh:) It's always a coin flip, well.. sure the 8800 had a very good long run (hooray for Nvidia), but over the past seven years or so now, it's been back and forth. Most arguments between ATi/Nvidia just come from bad personal experience, or misinformation. So everyone just relax, and if you need a video card, just get the best you can get for your money from either side for now (go S3, Intel mabye?), and do some gaming!:toast:

[candle_86]

not that long, if you go back before R300 you realize a trend that is starting agian actully.

Rage - Rage V where crap cards, sure they where decent but where priced with the faster boys, R100 would have been great if we ever did triple texturing but that never took off, and R200 drivers got fixed just in time for Ti-4600. So 2002-2008 its been a flipflop

[erocker]

not that long, if you go back before R300 you realize a trend that is starting agian actully.

Rage - Rage V where crap cards, sure they where decent but where priced with the faster boys, R100 would have been great if we ever did triple texturing but that never took off, and R200 drivers got fixed just in time for Ti-4600. So 2002-2008 its been a flipflop

100% Agree. :toast:

*I said 9 years in my little speech above, I'll edit that.

[candle_86]

lol i couldnt help myself i read video card reviews when im bored lol

today i read one on Rage 128pro

[erocker]

Hardcore man!:rockout: I'm learning some volt mods and other hard mods on my 8800 right now. I'm pretty handy with any type of soldering/welding device big or small, and I figure I might as well start implementing that with hardware. I performed a hardmod once a few years ago to my 9800pro, which worked great and I still use the card at work.

[imperialreign]

If by crap you mean pour 2% milk into them, yes.:D:toast: If you mean to poo in my cereal I'd have to say no.:( What is really sick is there are people into that stuff. (put vomit smiley here) Anyways, what is this thread about? Oh yes, thread locking over ATi/Nvidia arguments, fanboism, and flame wars. I really don't know what to say, other than it's pointless to argue over it. I'm a "flip-flopper" as so famously made popular by the U.S.'s last Presidential election. We all remember John Kerry don't we? Ugh, it would of been horrible having Herman Munster as President, but instead we have a crude-oil freebasing Alfred E. Neuman clone. Anyways, back to "flip-flopper" which I previously dubbed myself. I've had every brand of video card under the sun. Whenever I buy a video card, I look for performance first, then price, then factor the two together and viola! (As the French say... remember freedom fries?:laugh:) It's always a coin flip, well.. sure the 8800 had a very good long run (hooray for Nvidia), but over the past seven years or so now, it's been back and forth. Most arguments between ATi/Nvidia just come from bad personal experience, or misinformation. So everyone just relax, and if you need a video card, just get the best you can get for your money from either side for now (go S3, Intel mabye?), and do some gaming!:toast:



I think on that last presidential election, SouthPark put it all into context the best with their "Turd Sandwich vs Giant Douche for class president" episode. :laugh:


Otherwise, I'll flat out admit I'm ATI loyal - but that won't stop me from recommending nVidia's hardware now and again. Y'know, I'd be more supportive of nVidia, if it wasn't for the bad personal experiences I've had with them, and I don't think I'd ever go back to the greener side. IDK, maybe if they sent me an 2 8800 GTXs as a freebie I might reconsider . . . *hint*hint* . . .

Either way you look at it though, each side is better suited in some areas than they are in others, and I think a lot of people really fail to realize or grasp that.

[das müffin mann]

eh nvidia and ati both suck go 3dfx(i own an 8600, and a 2900;) )

[Kreij]

It is sometimes difficult to get across the intention of a statement in a purely textual media.
For that reason I think that we should prefix all of our statements with the following abbreviations...

YAAI : "You are an idiot" : This is not sarcasm, you really are an idiot.
MIISTY : "My intellect is superior to yours" : I am not calling you an idiot, but I imply it.
TOFTT : "Take one for the team" : You, and all like you, are idiots.
PYHO : "Pull your head out" : This refers to your ass. Get it out now.
IKYM : "I'm kidding you moron" : Self explanitory.
YPIW : "Your post is worthless" : See MIISTY
OGKWYATA : "Only God knows what you are talking about" : Good for General Nonsense.

Ok? Start using these regularly so we can be clearer on everyones intentions.

Note : This post is complete sarcasm, in case you are too dull to realize that.

[imperialreign]

It is sometimes difficult to get across the intention of a statement in a purely textual media.
For that reason I think that we should prefix all of our statements with the following abbreviations...

YAAI : "You are an idiot" : This is not sarcasm, you really are an idiot.
MIISTY : "My intellect is superior to yours" : I am not calling you an idiot, but I imply it.
TOFTT : "Take one for the team" : You, and all like you, are idiots.
PYHO : "Pull your head out" : This refers to your ass. Get it out now.
IKYM : "I'm kidding you moron" : Self explanitory.
YPIW : "Your post is worthless" : See MIISTY
OGKWYATA : "Only God knows what you are talking about" : Good for General Nonsense.

Ok? Start using these regularly so we can be clearer on everyones intentions.

Note : This post is complete sarcasm, in case you are too dull to realize that.



MIISTY :roll: that's a good one, man!

[candle_86]

I think on that last presidential election, SouthPark put it all into context the best with their "Turd Sandwich vs Giant Douche for class president" episode. :laugh:


Otherwise, I'll flat out admit I'm ATI loyal - but that won't stop me from recommending nVidia's hardware now and again. Y'know, I'd be more supportive of nVidia, if it wasn't for the bad personal experiences I've had with them, and I don't think I'd ever go back to the greener side. IDK, maybe if they sent me an 2 8800 GTXs as a freebie I might reconsider . . . *hint*hint* . . .

Either way you look at it though, each side is better suited in some areas than they are in others, and I think a lot of people really fail to realize or grasp that.

dont know how to tell you this but you did go green, a light green.

[imperialreign]

dont know how to tell you this but you did go green, a light green.

technically, now that ATI is owned by AMD :D

but, I'll never buy nVidia hardware (unless it's for someone else's rig)

[das müffin mann]

i wont necessarily buy nvidia hardware, but i will gladly take some;)

[niko084]

Hmm I just ordered an 8800GTS 320mb for one of my machines. Good deal, good card, thats the way I see it.

[imperialreign]

Hmm I just ordered an 8800GTS 320mb for one of my machines. Good deal, good card, thats the way I see it.

tsk, tsk . . . the Matrox fanbois won't be happy with you :shadedshu

[niko084]

tsk, tsk . . . the Matrox fanbois won't be happy with you :shadedshu

I have some of those old school cards around here...
Now I just need a Vesa sound card :)

[EastCoasthandle]

when i say ignorance i dont mean that ppl are posting without having ANY knowledge of what they are posting just that the MANNER in which they are posting is ignorant.

ppl are to combative and not willing to uderstand/reply with reason to what others are posting.

^^that is the type ignorance im reffering to.

i love the interweb it gives every1 balls. OH NO ITS THE E-THUGS!

:laugh:

sadly im done with this thread bcuz it is heading in the direction of the very topic we are discussing.

that should tell you something bta.

good topic/thread niko. i only hope ppl read this and it has a positive effect on our forum

:toast:

Excellent post.