X800 GTO² to X850 XT BIOS Mod

[DanishDevil]

BTW, I'm considering buying another from newegg when they are in stock again, if the price is still $199 when it gets in stock. It would be so that I could try to get one that gets better gpu clocks. Then I would sell my existing one on eBay if the other overclocked better. ;) Maybe I could even sell it for more than I bought it, especially if the prices go up again by the time I sell it. :)

Well shit, I'm thinking of putting my 6800 back in for a week or so and selling this thing on ebay until other catch on. That auction is at over $230. That's an easy $15 there and it's still got time to sell.

He got it to 600/600(1200) though. I must have really good RAM on this card with a weak core. I've got 519/610(1220).

[hmm]

I'm very curious about VTwedge's results with the connect3d card. considering plonking the cash down for that one since the GTO2 seems to be sold out everywhere.

[DanishDevil]

Well, go for it! Please let us know how it goes! :)

[GreenBaron]

I'm very curious about VTwedge's results with the connect3d card. considering plonking the cash down for that one since the GTO2 seems to be sold out everywhere.

If anyone has the resources (friend with a similar card, etc) to run some benchmarks on the SAME SYSTEM that compares the Connect3D GTO-modded with the Sapphire-GTO2-modded.... that would be killer. Anyone think they can rig that?

-GB

[at2wooden]

Newegg has the OEM for $199 again.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102595

Went up to $219 when I bought it

Still happy

[DanishDevil]

Newegg has the OEM for $199 again.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102595

Went up to $219 when I bought it

Still happy

You should be! I got it for $230! :banghead:

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Hey guys, I just installed the Zalman CNPS9500LED. My friggin AMD Athlon 64 3500+ idles at 30C!!! :rockout:

I'll have some pix for u soon.

[Trevor]

Pre-Flash, pre-extra fan
2005-10-12 20:49:15 Clocks set to: 579.27 / 498.27
2005-10-12 20:49:17 Temperature: GPU: 64.6°C GPU environment: 46.0°C
STABLE

Post-flash, pre-extra fan
2005-10-13 18:07:58 Temperature: GPU: 70.8°C GPU environment: 48.0°C
2005-10-13 18:08:00 Clocks set to: 556.88 / 492.75
2005-10-13 18:08:04 Clocks set to: 558.00 / 492.75
CRASHED (at the above)

Post-flash, w/ extra fan
2005-10-13 18:42:52 Clocks set to: 555.00 / 492.00
2005-10-13 18:42:54 Temperature: GPU: 63.5°C GPU environment: 41.0°C
CRASHED (At the above)

Not quite sure what the deal is.
After the flash, my clocks dropped.. dramatically.
(Ability to overclock.)


Side note
Pre-flashing, it would hit the 'cap', then start moving back down.. after flashing, it'd just lock up/stop whenever it hit the 'cap'.

Final stable:
540/580.5
40/37 idle
70/47 full load after half an hour. (On Zalman 700-Cu)
Not bad, I'm happy with trading 35Mhz/27.5Mhz (well, 55...) for 4 pipes.
Any day.
=D


Still need help on this, if anyone can help me.

[Trevor]

You should be! I got it for $230! :banghead:

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Hey guys, I just installed the Zalman CNPS9500LED. My friggin AMD Athlon 64 3500+ idles at 30C!!! :rockout:

I'll have some pix for u soon.
Hit 3Ghz, and see how hot it gets ;) Then we'll have something to talk about.

[VTwedge]

well heres the results

core went up to 520 then i stopped it cause my crappy case only has one fan in it grrrrrrrr memory went to 520 it reported no problems but i thought i saw some pixels off at some point so i stopped it too memory rated is 2 ns samsung so theres not much room for overclocking it went 20 over the rated frequency and then i stopped atitool also since my temps were 76C on the core and 56c on the ram chips i got to get some fans in my case pronto! by the way at the initial 400/490 my 3dmark 05 was 4800 points whiles my brother who has the same card but with 12 pipes activated and run the test on his faster amd3200 got 4500 in it. well thats one victory for my slower sempron hehe. ordering fans now shite i feel stupid for having one fan in my case i threw my older case away and it had 3 fans in it which i forgot to take off!!

[VTwedge]

safest clock up to now is 520/520 :)

[Unregistered]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sapphire-ATI-X800-GTO2-w-Zalman-VF700-Cu-LED-fan_W0QQitemZ8707911953QQcategoryZ80190QQssPageNam eZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Black Adder got it to 510 Core, wonder if he really thinks hes gonna get 300 bux for it, lol.

[GreenBaron]

well heres the results

core went up to 520 then i stopped it cause my crappy case only has one fan in it grrrrrrrr memory went to 520 it reported no problems but i thought i saw some pixels off at some point so i stopped it too memory rated is 2 ns samsung so theres not much room for overclocking it went 20 over the rated frequency and then i stopped atitool also since my temps were 76C on the core and 56c on the ram chips i got to get some fans in my case pronto! by the way at the initial 400/490 my 3dmark 05 was 4800 points whiles my brother who has the same card but with 12 pipes activated and run the test on his faster amd3200 got 4500 in it. well thats one victory for my slower sempron hehe. ordering fans now shite i feel stupid for having one fan in my case i threw my older case away and it had 3 fans in it which i forgot to take off!!

What are your specs for the system (RAM, GHz)? And what 3dmark do you get with 520/520? If you move your card to your brothers system, check those results against his so that you can determine if it's your card or his system that is cause the discrepancy.

-GB

[GreenBaron]

I got the OEM from Newegg and I got:

Card in AntiStatic Bag
PCI-E Power Cable
STOP Sticker
S-Video Cable
Video Cable
DVI-VGA Dongle
Component Video Adapter
Plain Brown Box

BTW: Thanks for listing this. Do you think the retail comes with Games? Then it might not be all bad....

-GB

[VTwedge]

GreenBaron my brather was running 12 pipelines on his 400/490 i ws running 16 pipelines 400/490 thats why the extra 300 points

[Cubewood]

BTW: Thanks for listing this. Do you think the retail comes with Games? Then it might not be all bad....

-GB

I got the retail version, and you geet Brothers in Arms: Raod to Hill 30 + Prince Of Persia + Tony Hawk Underground 2 + Richard Burns Rally, and you get 2 serial keys so you can only keep 2 games :)

[MegaViper]

Got mine at allstarshop.com for $219 and it unlocks 16 pipes and runs the 540/590 easy. I even ran it at 545/595 just to be pushy. I don't know why your only getting 520/520.

[Unregistered]

Also the OEM comes with all the cables, the install cd, and a very nice brown box to throw away, stock cooling 540/590.

[VTwedge]

im getting 520/520 because mine uses the 2ns samsung memory rated at 2ns and the r423 core which is an x800xt. if your using a gto2 card then u have the r480 which is an x850xt and u got 1.6ns memory which is rated to 600 thats why:) mine is a modified connect3d x800gto:)

[Unregistered]

im getting 520/520 because mine uses the 2ns samsung memory rated at 2ns and the r423 core which is an x800xt. if your using a gto2 card then u have the r480 which is an x850xt and u got 1.6ns memory which is rated to 600 thats why:) mine is a modified connect3d x800gto:)

where did u buy ur connect3d x800gto from VT? also what is your highest 3dmark05 score? are u using stock cooling?

[DanishDevil]

Got mine at allstarshop.com for $219 and it unlocks 16 pipes and runs the 540/590 easy. I even ran it at 545/595 just to be pushy. I don't know why your only getting 520/520.

Also, these R480 cores are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to R480s. The purpose of the X800GTO2 from Sapphire and ATi's standpoint was to get rid of extra R480 cores they had lying around. These are not tested to their supposed reachable speeds. Keep this in mind when overclocking anything, especially on a card meant to "get rid" of extra cores.

[Dr.D]

Has anyone tried this flash with the omega drivers? (And has benchmarks)

[DanishDevil]

No, but I might try that now for ya Dr.D :D

[Unregistered]

Anyone know how a R480 12P, compares with the 423 16P?

I bought the Sapphire X800GTO which can't be unlocked (so it's 12P),
but I'm thinking since it has the R480 it might still be as fast (or maybe even a little faster)
than the R423 16P.


No, but I might try that now for ya Dr.D :D

[DanishDevil]

Anyone know how a R480 12P, compares with the 423 16P?

I bought the Sapphire X800GTO which can't be unlocked (so it's 12P),
but I'm thinking since it has the R480 it might still be as fast (or maybe even a little faster)
than the R423 16P.

No clue. If you buy me a Sapphire X800GTO, I'd be happy to test it for you :D Or shit, just send it to me if ya trust me and I'd be glad to set the two head to head.

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On a more serious note:

My GPU has been acting more unstable than Charles Manson (and Windows ME for that matter). Any ideas? Did I get such a high overclock that I fried the temp. sensor??? :roll:

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3421/freakytemps6sl.jpg

They like to drop to 1C every now and then just to scare me sh*tless :(

And yes, I am running conservative overclocks because of this (500/600):(

[DanishDevil]

OK I think I figured part of it out. The fan settings that I set for it don't want to work right. They keep changing like they have a friggin mind of their own. I'm DLing RivaTuner to see what I can do.

[Unregistered]

Actually someone did some banchmarks on the Sapphire X800GTO.:

http://www.3davenue.com/1401.html

[Unregistered]

I meant benchmarks LOL, anyway I wonder how those compare with
the R423 16P?, b/c the Sapphire X800gto is actually a bit cheaper ($164 at Newegg) the last time I checked.

[Unregistered]

I ordered one for my friend from comtec.ca because we are in Canada. I originally ordered from computerhq.com but shipping was $50, and newegg doesn't ship to Canada. Comtec.ca is $252 canadian + $15 shipping for us in ontario, they are based in medicine hat alberta.

We got the pci-e sapphire X800 GTO2 to unlock the 16 pipes and oc from the 400/490 stock to 550/600, it doesnt tick past 70'c in the Antec Aria small form factor Case. Also when running 3dmark2001 at the 540/590 we only got 16,600, while my same setup computer but with an agp x800 xt got 21,700. its 16p and 500/500.


the x800 gto2 (video card of the year!)
http://www.comtec.ca/atisapphire-sapphire-x800gto2-pcie-256mb-gddr3-tvout-p-790616.html

they also list the agp version, I hope its not entirely fictional.
http://www.comtec.ca/atisapphire-sapphire-x800gto2-256mb-gddr3-tvout-p-790629.html

Sapphire on every site i've seen has the pci-express version model number 100130, and the agp version 100131.

[Makarich]

Guys! Finaly i want to know if anyone sucseded in unlocking pipes on:

GeCube 256Mb PCI-E ATI Radeon X800GTO (GC-RX800GTO3-D3)
Sapphire 256Mb PCI-E Radeon X800GTO DDR

plz tell me.

[nick255]

Anyone know how a R480 12P, compares with the 423 16P?

I bought the Sapphire X800GTO which can't be unlocked (so it's 12P),
but I'm thinking since it has the R480 it might still be as fast (or maybe even a little faster)
than the R423 16P.


As far as i know R480 is a revision of R423 with better power management etc so it runs cooler and so can be clocked higher.
I would say a 12p R423 clocked at the same speed as an 12p R480 would have similar performance.

The advantage the R480 core has is that it can be clocked higher.

[DanishDevil]

Hey guys, my fan started to well, not work. Thank god the stock heatsink does its job. I'm running at stock settings now just to be safe. I don't even think I'm gonna do any gaming until I get the Zalman cooler. I put RamSinks on the back memory chips from the ThermalRight V-1 (wish it fit this card, but the memory configuration won't allow it). They're just cheapass little aluminum ramsinks, so they won't help much, but it's better than a heatspreader.

I've got some pics of my comp for ya, so I'll post links to em soon.

[ShadowFlare]

Anyone know how a R480 12P, compares with the 423 16P?

I bought the Sapphire X800GTO which can't be unlocked (so it's 12P),
but I'm thinking since it has the R480 it might still be as fast (or maybe even a little faster)
than the R423 16P.
I depends on how high the memory is able to overclock. If that card has the 1.6 ns memory chips, it would probably get results similar to my X800 GTO2 at 12 pipelines. Of course, as with any of these cards, the overclocking on the core varies between different cards, so your GTO could possibly overclock better than my GTO2. I posted this in an earlier message:

Here are my 3dmark 2005 scores with default settings. I've added in the X800GT clock speeds and the scores for my X800GT for comparison with an 8 pipeline setup at equivalent speeds, plus at some other speeds just for a comparison of what each is capable of.

Powercolor X800GT 256 MB
8 pipelines, stock clocks (472, 492): 3935
8 pipelines, max stable overclock (560, 526): 4504
8 pipelines, slightly unstable overclock (576, 555): 4750

Sapphire X800GTO2 256 MB
12 pipelines, stock clocks (398, 492): 4448
12 pipelines, X800GT clocks (472, 492): 4961
12 pipelines, max overclock (520, 600): 5563
16 pipelines, stock clocks (398, 492): 5008
16 pipelines, X800GT clocks (472, 492): 5528
16 pipelines, max overclock (520, 600): 6244

I couldn't quite reach the X850XT PE's core clock speed on stock cooling or reach as high of a core overclock as my X800GT, but it is still fast enough to get a very good score. :D Until I bought this card, I thought I'd never have a card this fast so soon. ;)

[intel igent]

ive been looking into this card and @ $260cad before taxxes and a 100% success rate, i think i just might switch to 775/pcie/ddr2 much sooooooooner than planned:toast:

[VTwedge]

well i left my core running at 450 and tried to overclock memory just for kicks, well the limit before was 520/520 now memory got pushed up to 565 before givin up instead of 520! thats 65 over the rated limit mind you;) time ti bench at 450/550 just to be safe hold on!;)

[ShadowFlare]

well i left my core running at 450 and tried to overclock memory just for kicks, well the limit before was 520/520 now memory got pushed up to 565 before givin up instead of 520! thats 65 over the rated limit mind you;) time ti bench at 450/550 just to be safe hold on!;)
Have you tried installing a different cooling system for the card? On my Powercolor X800 GT, even though it had 1.6 ns memory chips, on my system it could not clock beyond 526 without artifacts or beyond 555 without crashing. It didn't have any cooling for the memory. Maybe installing something for the memory would help. Also, it sounds like some of the heat could possibly be transferring to the memory chips, so installing a better gpu cooler would probably help, too; and may actually be required if you want to install heatsinks on all of the memory.


BTW, has anyone bought a Powercolor X800 GTO and tried the bios mod on it? It also has vivo on it, like the Connect3d card and unlike all the other GTO cards, so maybe it will be unlockable, too. :) Vivo seems to sometimes have something to do with pipes being unlockable. (like the X800/850 Pro AGP with vivo which has unlockable pipes) Also, if anyone does have this card, what kind of memory chips does it have? If it is 1.6 ns memory and the core has unlockable pipes, it would be superior to the Connect3d card. ;) Another thing I wanted to mention; some site said it has an R430 core (not a review, though, and they didn't say they had taken the heatsink off). Their X800 GT is also identified as an R430 in the bios, but is an R480, so maybe their X800 GTO also has an R480?

I haven't seen any reviews on this card, so the information seems nowhere to be found.

[VTwedge]

r430 is an x800xl core actually so it wont hit xp speeds i think

[VTwedge]

450/520 scores:5456 3dmark05

[DanishDevil]

Gimme some Aquamark 3 scores guys! I've got about 73,000 right now on the OMEGA Drivers. Screenshots to come.

[DanishDevil]

OK guys. For all of you that have had fan problems with the Sapphire X800GTO2, this is for you.

Check out this pic of the rear of my card. These pins are the backside of the 3 where the stock fan plugs into.

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/Back%20of%203PIN.png

I think we have found our problem. The problem lies in the connector itself. The pin that seems to be half melted is the +12V lead for the fan. Also notice the residue on the PCB. Any ideas? Maybe the PCI-E Power Connector isn't giving the card stable power?

[DanishDevil]

Here's the ramsinks I installed temporarily.

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/VIDHS1024.png

They haven't seemed to make a difference so far. I need a new PSU (or at least a PCI-E Connector that gives me all 6 pins instead of the 3 that the stock adapter does) and some better cooling. Then I can really do some heavy OC work :)

[Dr.D]

No, but I might try that now for ya Dr.D :D

Do it!

[bub]

As a side note...

Is your RAM installed correctly for running dual channel mode? I thought the color coding of the RAM banks directed you to install pairs in similar color coded slots... No?

bub

[DanishDevil]

Mine is yes. With the MSI K8N Neo4/SLI, the green slots are channel one, and purple channel two. DC requires all four, 0+1, or 2+3. I have 0+1. Trust me, I'm not THAT noobish :D

3DMARK 05 OC'd to 523/613:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1329430

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

This is with your Omega drivers Dr. D

Next up: New Catalyst Drivers. Before that though, I will elaborate on my experience with the Omega Drivers.

[Dr.D]

mmmm cant wait

[rev]

I am only able to get my GTO2 to these clocks: 585/530. for some reason, even when i clock the core low, the memory will start to get artifacts around 540mhz, i have no idea why. could it be the cooling? should i try a newer bios? i thought the memeory was able to get real high on these cards.

[Unregistered]

450/520 scores:5456 3dmark05

hey man, where did u get your connect3d x800gto from???? i want to get it from the same place as you so i have a higher chance of unlocking it. thx.

[nick255]

Mine is yes. With the MSI K8N Neo4/SLI, the green slots are channel one, and purple channel two. DC requires all four, 0+1, or 2+3. I have 0+1. Trust me, I'm not THAT noobish :D

3DMARK 05 OC'd to 523/613:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1329430

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

This is with your Omega drivers Dr. D

Next up: New Catalyst Drivers. Before that though, I will elaborate on my experience with the Omega Drivers.

Nice overclock, is it still running stable?

[Dr.D]

Can anyone recommend a Zalman (http://www.zalmanusa.com/) cooler for this card?

[narjisse]

Hello Folks,

After installing Catalyst 5.10 Driver, my system sees X800GTO2 as:
Adapter: RADEON X800/X850 Series
Chipset: RADEON X850 Pro (0x5D4F)

with Catalyst 5.09 Driver,
Adapter: RADEON X850 Series
Chipset: ATI display adapter (0x5D4F)

what gives?
what drivers are you using guys?

[Unregistered]

Guys! Finaly i want to know if anyone sucseded in unlocking pipes on:

GeCube 256Mb PCI-E ATI Radeon X800GTO (GC-RX800GTO3-D3)
Sapphire 256Mb PCI-E Radeon X800GTO DDR

plz tell me.

[Unregistered]

Hello Folks,

After installing Catalyst 5.10 Driver, my system sees X800GTO2 as:
Adapter: RADEON X800/X850 Series
Chipset: RADEON X850 Pro (0x5D4F)

with Catalyst 5.09 Driver,
Adapter: RADEON X850 Series
Chipset: ATI display adapter (0x5D4F)

what gives?
what drivers are you using guys?


Same issue here.

[ShadowFlare]

Here's the ramsinks I installed temporarily.

[removed pic]

They haven't seemed to make a difference so far. I need a new PSU (or at least a PCI-E Connector that gives me all 6 pins instead of the 3 that the stock adapter does) and some better cooling. Then I can really do some heavy OC work :)
You only have the ramsinks on the memory chips on the back, correct? It probably won't help one bit with your memory overclock if you do not have all 8 of the chips cooled down. As long as at least 1 chip isn't being cooled, your max overclock will likely be the same as if none of them had any cooling.


Hello Folks,

After installing Catalyst 5.10 Driver, my system sees X800GTO2 as:
Adapter: RADEON X800/X850 Series
Chipset: RADEON X850 Pro (0x5D4F)

with Catalyst 5.09 Driver,
Adapter: RADEON X850 Series
Chipset: ATI display adapter (0x5D4F)

what gives?
what drivers are you using guys?
Did you use the modified bios W1zzard posted? I didn't (I used the 3 step method I have posted) and mine is always detected as RADEON X800 GTO.


W1zzard: What card did you get that bios from? A very early GTO2? It seems to be different than the standard GTO2 bios besides just the pipelines.

[W1zzard]

yup early gto².. email me the newer bios you have if you can

[ShadowFlare]

OK, I've sent my bios to your e-mail address.

BTW, what is the date on that bios? I think mine was 8/23/2005.

[narjisse]

Did you use the modified bios W1zzard posted?
Yes, I thought that's the bios everyone is using


I didn't (I used the 3 step method I have posted) and mine is always detected as RADEON X800 GTO.
Can you provide a link for that 3 step method? This thread got too long and hard to find it.
Thanks.

[DanishDevil]

Nice overclock, is it still running stable?

Yes, it is VERY stable :D Stands Aquamark3 and 3DMark05 looping for an hour each. Temps don't go above 59C on the stock cooler. I hope to order a ZALMAN within the next week.

Elaboration on OMEGA Drivers coming soon.

[DanishDevil]

New OC speed. 522/618

Thermal tape on rear RamSinks finally set in. Clock is stable. Any higher on core or memory produces artifacts in ATiTool.

PS: I do not set clocks that produce ANY artifacts WHATSOEVER.

[Dr.D]

Recommend me a zalman cooler!

[DanishDevil]

Recommend me a zalman cooler!

Hey hey hey, don't get pushy now Dr.D :D

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118125

That guy will cool our cards damn well.

http://www.zalman.co.kr/upload/product/vf700_culed_c_p.jpg

Also get some of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835110108

http://vantecusa.com/moreimage/images/ccbrs8_image01.jpg

Use Arctic Silver 5 on the Zalman Cooler, and the pre-applied thermal tape on the RamSinks. Do what you wish with the Zalman RamSinks. The copper Vantecs will cool much better than the Zalman ones.

Be sure to try to get the direction of the airflow to flow through the grooves in the RamSinks to ensure the heat is radiated into the air from the RamSinks. I'll hopefully have these 2 items installed in a week and I'll have pics for you guys.

[DanishDevil]

OK boys, here's what you all (or at least Dr.D) have been waiting for:

First things first:

My computer SPECS:


Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 90nm Winchester Core (Zalman CNPS9500LED @ Full Speed)
Power Supply: ULTRA X-Connect UV Orange 500Watt
Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI (SLI Version of the MSI K8N Diamond)(Vantec Iceberq Copper Cooler)
Random Access Memory: 2x512MB OCZ Gold PC3200 2-2-2-5 Winbond BH5 (Gold Plated Copper Heatspreaders)
Video Card: Sapphire X800GTO2 (Modded 16 Pipeline TechPowerUp BIOS @ 522/618 on stock cooling&Arctic Silver 5&4x ThermalRight V-1 Aluminum RamSinks on rear)
Hard Drive: Western Digital 10,000RPM 74GB RAPTOR
Sound Card: SoundBlaster Audigy 2ZS
Case: ThermalTake Armor Black SuperTower Case
Cooling: 2x120MM Blue LED 17DBA Fans(1 Intake, 1 Exhaust), 2x92MM Orange/Black 19DBA Fans(Exhaust), 2x80MM Orange UV Reactive PSU Fans(Exhaust)
Keyboarrd/Mouse: Logitech Media Keyboard / Logitech MX510 Blue
Monitor: Dell Flat Screen Trinitron Monitor (Max 100MHz Refresh, Max Res. 1600x1200)


*All clocks stock unless noted above*

Sapphire X800GTO2 on Omega 2.6.71 Drivers (16 Pipelines Unlocked with the BIOS from the Article and clocked at 522/618 with stock cooling, Arctic Silver 5, and Thermalright V-1 Aluminum RamSinks on the rear memory chips)

The version of ATi Tray Tools that comes with the Omega Drivers read my card as an X850:
http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/OMEGA-ATi%20Tray%20Tools%20%20X850%20%5b54DF%5d.PNG

I just installed the new version of ATi Tray Tools:
http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/ATITrayTools.png

And it read my card as an X800GTO.
http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/OMEGA-NewATiTrayToolsX800GTO.PNG

Just some interesting tidbits of information. I think that they are programming recognition of the X800GTO BIOSes in new software. In case some of you were wondering, this is what Device Manager says:
http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/OMEGA-X850SeriesDeviceManager.png

I've got GREAT drawing skills with my mouse don't I? :D

One other interesting thing to point out. I have an MSI motherboard which comes with MSI Live Update 3. Its job is to provide automatic updates to the Motherboard BIOS, Drivers, and the BIOS and drivers of Video Cards, and updates to MSI Utilities (which suck, HARD:banghead:). Anyway, these are the options that Live Update 3 gave me for Video Card drivers:
http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/OMEGA-MSI%20Live%20Update.PNG

No, my card is not made by MSI, it's just interesting to see the possibilites of BIOSes that the program recommends. I may try these out sometime. I'm not making any promises though.

Anyway, I got to AquaMark 3. The first run was taken with Omega's integrated Direct 3D "Benchmarks" profile (really part of ATi Tray Tools) as seen here:
http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/OMEGA-BenchmarksDirect3DProfile.png

Here is AquaMark 3:
http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/OMEGA-AQM3Run1.png

I also ran AquaMark 3 at ALL settings maxed at 1600x1200. Here is the directory where you can find the shots. I think you will enjoy them. 20 screenshots, 40MBs. PS: Temps didn't go over 60C while I was running AquaMark3 for these shots.

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/AquaMark%203/aquamark.exe%200%2004-46-51%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/AquaMark%203/aquamark.exe%200%2004-47-34%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/AquaMark%203/aquamark.exe%200%2004-48-31%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/AquaMark%203/aquamark.exe%200%2004-48-56%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/AquaMark%203/aquamark.exe%200%2004-49-12%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/AquaMark%203/aquamark.exe%200%2004-49-33%20.png

The rest can be found here:
http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/AquaMark%203/

OK, now onto 3DMark05:

I ran it with the Benchmark setting, and this is what I came up with:
http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/OMEGA-3DM05.png

Not too shabby of a score is it? ;) Temps never broke 56C

Here are some shots taken with ultra settings like I did in AquaMark 3. Temps did not go over 63C. 45 pics, 24MB. *cough*Can you say HDR?*cough*

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/3DMARK05/3DMark05.exe%200%2005-59-19%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/3DMARK05/3DMark05.exe%200%2005-59-29%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/3DMARK05/3DMark05.exe%200%2005-59-36%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/3DMARK05/3DMark05.exe%200%2005-59-55%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/3DMARK05/3DMark05.exe%200%2006-00-58%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/3DMARK05/3DMark05.exe%200%2006-01-00%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/3DMARK05/3DMark05.exe%200%2006-01-23%20.png

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/3DMARK05/3DMark05.exe%200%2006-07-11%20.png

The rest can be found here:
http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/3DMARK05/

Well, this concludes my extensive examination of the Omega 2.6.71 Drivers. I love ATi Tray Tools, and will never get rid of it now that the Omegas have exposed me to the program. I also now love 3DMARK05. As you can tell from the Ultra Quality screenshots, this is a truly amazing benchmarking program. I regret not using that $10 off coupon on 3DMARK05 Advanced now :( Oh well. Overall, I love the Omega drivers. Soon, I will make some graphs to show how they stack up to the other major drivers out there (Catalyst and DNA Drivers).

Coming soon: Extensive review of Catalyst 5.10

Until next time,
-=DaNiSh+DeViL=-

[Qtax]

Not that i really mind, but do we need all the 1600 screenshots here?
Ordered an Connect3D GTO and will tell you how it works out when it arrives, hopefully another success.
Day after i ordered they lowered the price 20€, bleh... (Lowest price right now at 180€ here in Sweden.)

[DanishDevil]

Not that i really mind, but do we need all the 1600 screenshots here?
Ordered an Connect3D GTO and will tell you how it works out when it arrives, hopefully another success.
Day after i ordered they lowered the price 20€, bleh... (Lowest price right now at 180€ here in Sweden.)

I simply wanted to give people an in-depth review of the card's capabilities. I apologize if you have dial-up and it crashed your system :D

Lol, I had second thoughts about posting the shots there, but the post looks so goddamn hot after I posted it, that I said, "Nahh, Dr.D would be disappointed if I did." :D

I also got jacked pricewise. I bought my X800GTO2 for $230 and it's $200 now. I might have to pick another up. DAMN I wish I could harness a kind of ATi SLI on this mobo of mine :D

[DanishDevil]

Hey hey hey, don't get pushy now Dr.D :D

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118125

That guy will cool our cards damn well.

http://www.zalman.co.kr/upload/product/vf700_culed_c_p.jpg

Also get some of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835110108

http://vantecusa.com/moreimage/images/ccbrs8_image01.jpg

Use Arctic Silver 5 on the Zalman Cooler, and the pre-applied thermal tape on the RamSinks. Do what you wish with the Zalman RamSinks. The copper Vantecs will cool much better than the Zalman ones.

Be sure to try to get the direction of the airflow to flow through the grooves in the RamSinks to ensure the heat is radiated into the air from the RamSinks. I'll hopefully have these 2 items installed in a week and I'll have pics for you guys.


Found a cheaper price:

http://www.xoxide.com/zalman-vf700culed-vga-cooler.html

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/xoxide/zalman-vf700cu-led-2.jpg

For some reason though, Xoxide discontinued EVERY RamSink they carry. You'll only save a couple bucks by buying them from another place besides newegg, so I'm gonna get them from there.

PS: I was a noob, and attached some Zalman RamSinks on my old ATI AIW9600XT with my Zalman HP Blue Anodized Aluminum cooler with AS5 instead of the thermal tape about 2 years ago. Would anybody be willing to use some Vantec Copper BGA RamSinks and test MAX OCs with AS5 vs Thermal Tape vs Arctic Alumina on these? If not, I'll buy two packs or so and compare thermal tape, AS5, and Arctic Alumina.

[Dr.D]

Thanks alot

Great posts! I can't wait for those graphs!:D

[RatusNatus]

Guys! Finaly i want to know if anyone sucseded in unlocking pipes on:

GeCube 256Mb PCI-E ATI Radeon X800GTO (GC-RX800GTO3-D3)
Sapphire 256Mb PCI-E Radeon X800GTO DDR

plz tell me.

GeCube dosnt have a external power connector, so it wont have a good oc.

I want to know if someone has the 16p in a Powercolor GTO cus all of it has a r480 core...

What about open a new threat to a connect3d?

[psxcrazy]

Can someone help me i was excited casue i got my gto2 to oc at 540 610 artifact free for 5 minutes that i ran than all was fine for a few days then i started getting artifacts and hickups im my games and know i can only oc it to 540 550 without artifacts could it be a drive thing or software i just dont understand my card doesnt even go past 60 C on scan and about 55 playing game i just dont understand

[ShadowFlare]

Can someone help me i was excited casue i got my gto2 to oc at 540 610 artifact free for 5 minutes that i ran than all was fine for a few days then i started getting artifacts and hickups im my games and know i can only oc it to 540 550 without artifacts could it be a drive thing or software i just dont understand my card doesnt even go past 60 C on scan and about 55 playing game i just dont understand
You should test for the final speed for more than 5 minutes, in my opinion. I think it should be tested for 10 or more minutes. It could be possible that you messed up the memory by having it overclocked too high for too long... That memory is rated for 600 MHz, but needs adaquate cooling to be stable at that speed.

[Qtax]

GeCube dosnt have a external power connector, so it wont have a good oc.

I want to know if someone has the 16p in a Powercolor GTO cus all of it has a r480 core...

You can't unlock them, only GTO2 and Connect3D GTO are unlockable. It's all in the article.
I think you can confirm this here http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=5367

[DanishDevil]

You should test for the final speed for more than 5 minutes, in my opinion. I think it should be tested for 10 or more minutes. It could be possible that you messed up the memory by having it overclocked too high for too long... That memory is rated for 600 MHz, but needs adaquate cooling to be stable at that speed.

I agree. Cooling is required for OCing, and running a chip or ram at too high of a frequency CAN mess it up pretty bad.

Thanks alot

Great posts! I can't wait for those graphs!:D

Can't you tell I yearn to be a product reviewer? :D I've always dreamed of being sent brand new hardware to review. That review took me all of 4 hours.

[Trevor]

Ugh..
I don't know how you guys are getting such amazing temps.
I'm getting 70 load, WITH a Zalman cooler, and only running 540/580.
No ramsinks on half of the RAM (But half of them I do have them on.
Using AS5.
I'm going to remount it.. but I really don't believe that to be the problem.

Any ideas?
Also, overclock dropped SUBSTANTIALLY.
I believe with lower temps I'd have a lot higher headroom.

And, I had the issue of post-flash having the card literally shut off whenever it got too high, rather than simply than clocking back down.

Going to flash to original BIOS, see if the problem (with shutting off) still exists. If it does...
then I don't know.

If it does, then I know there's a problem BIOS/otherwise.

Who knows.

--Trevor

[ericlikeseatin]

does anyone know if other GTO cards will work? im particularly interested in this card here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102608) because its the only GTO for AGP there seems to be.

[Trevor]

Ok.
Flashed back to the ORGINAL 12P BIOS, and I CAN hit the original speeds (575/610)

But whenever I flash to the 16P BIOS, I can only hit 540/580.
An ideas, at all?

[GreenBaron]

You can't unlock them, only GTO2 and Connect3D GTO are unlockable. It's all in the article.
I think you can confirm this here http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=5367

Statements like this do not aid the spirit of adventure of the overclocker. It was not very long ago that the Connect3D was not even mentioned in the main article. It has been included because of pioneers that TESTED and took a chance.

With the variety of chips used in the various brand's GTO cards, there is mixed success. I have not heard of any successful mods of the HIS, Powercolor, or Gecube brands. I have heard of some confirmed DID NOT work on these brands.

However, the Sapphire GTO (not the GTO2) has at least one positive report on this very forum that the 16p mod worked. There are others that the Sap-16p did not work...

The article shows the state of what is KNOWN, but does not rule out the possibility of other combinations. That is precisely what this forum is for. If anyone has even NEGATIVE reports of mod attempts on other GTO brands, please post. The more information, the better the conclusions.

We're weak on AGP reports. Other brands may work better if VIVO is used (this seems to be an odd common thread -- ATI VIVO cards unlock better).

-GB
Get my Connect3D GTO tomorrow.... I will report.

[DanishDevil]

does anyone know if other GTO cards will work? im particularly interested in this card here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102608) because its the only GTO for AGP there seems to be.

Take a chance. Doesn't seem like anybody has succesfully modded an AGP card yet.

[feeric]

Ok.
Flashed back to the ORGINAL 12P BIOS, and I CAN hit the original speeds (575/610)

But whenever I flash to the 16P BIOS, I can only hit 540/580.
An ideas, at all?

I have same problem, 545/602@12P and 513/602@16P

I think the quad pipe activated is the worst off the four and it limit the max core OC.

[feeric]

Thk to Wizzard for his job. My GTO² work fine 6200pts 3DM05

Thk you

[feeric]

One question about bios values.

Do you know where is the default frequencies in the bios, i want modify with an hex éditor for my card work allway at the OC freq without atitools ?

Thk

[Unregistered]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=&PropertyCodeValue=679%3A18184&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=696%3A9641&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=695%3A16160&PropertyCodeValue=0&description=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=48&Submit=Property

sorry about my english. i`m from europe, from lithania. in newegg is two cards. both card is moddible or not? because the cheaper is out of stock. what about the other card? thank you

[Zoomer]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=&PropertyCodeValue=679%3A18184&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=696%3A9641&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=695%3A16160&PropertyCodeValue=0&description=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=48&Submit=Property

sorry about my english. i`m from europe, from lithania. in newegg is two cards. both card is moddible or not? because the cheaper is out of stock. what about the other card? thank you

Yes, both are moddable and are essentially the same card. The cheaper is the oem and the more expensive the lite retail. You can ask newegg for a packing list to see the differences. :)

And oh yeah, lite retails are supposed to have a colourful box.

[narjisse]

Hello Folks,

After installing Catalyst 5.10 Driver, my system sees X800GTO2 as:
Adapter: RADEON X800/X850 Series
Chipset: RADEON X850 Pro (0x5D4F)

with Catalyst 5.09 Driver,
Adapter: RADEON X850 Series
Chipset: ATI display adapter (0x5D4F)

what gives?
what drivers are you using guys?
is there new BIOS update?:confused:

[Qtax]

Statements like this do not aid the spirit of adventure of the overclocker. It was not very long ago that the Connect3D was not even mentioned in the main article. It has been included because of pioneers that TESTED and took a chance.

With the variety of chips used in the various brand's GTO cards, there is mixed success. I have not heard of any successful mods of the HIS, Powercolor, or Gecube brands. I have heard of some confirmed DID NOT work on these brands.

Just to clear things up. As stated by W1zzard you need "F":s in the marked (red) parts of fuses data for this to work. Right now only 2 cards were found to have this (and many more X800 cards that don't, as can be seen in the thread below).

It was not very long ago that the Connect3D was not even mentioned in the main article. It has been included because of pioneers that TESTED and took a chance.

It was, afaik, tested by someone who saw that the fuse values were right on that card.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=5367

[psxcrazy]

finally got my card back to 549\600 artifact free i found out what my problem was before when i was getting artifacts I have sony ra which has a liquid cool cpu so my power supply sits right on top of my card onlt a quater inch from my gto so by accident i found a program that overides the fan speed control of all my fans cause sony has locked them so without adjusting the fans my power supply gets extremly hot and it being so close to the card affects my oc so i use freshdiagnose to overide the lock on the fans and speedfan to set mmy fans at 100 % which is 50% more faster than sony origanily set the fans at and i get my case and cpu nice and cool if any one has a sony with the same issue of fan control when you download freshdiagnose just click on hardware and then sensor and youll here you fanspeeds go up its a bit loud but worth it i'd rather have the extra gameplay horse power i can deal with the noise

[Unregistered]

so is there a new bios that shows the card to be an x850xt with the new catalyst 5.10 drivers? if so where can we get it? :)

[Unregistered]

so is there a new bios that shows the card to be an x850xt with the new catalyst 5.10 drivers? if so where can we get it? :)
I had mine running that.
the BIOS has nothing to do with the drivers.. the BIOS can be downloaded from techpowerup (go to the main site for the bios download section)
then just install the 5.1 drivers.

--Trevor

[Trevor]

Hopefully, though, you're doing it simply for your own pleasure and not to pass this card off as an X850XT...
That'd be wrong, and illegal <_<

[nick255]

Ok.
Flashed back to the ORGINAL 12P BIOS, and I CAN hit the original speeds (575/610)

But whenever I flash to the 16P BIOS, I can only hit 540/580.
An ideas, at all?

I guess with 4 pipes disabled the core is running cooler so its easier to hit 575.. From what ive noticed with my card is that the temp of the core seems to have a knock on effect on how high i can run the memory stable.

With stock cooling my R423 core jumps from about 40c to nearly 70c and thats only running at like 460mhz, when my waterblock turns up ill see how high i can get it.......

i think ur gonna need some extra cooling to get it stable with 16pipes at 575

[Unregistered]

Found a cheaper price:

http://www.xoxide.com/zalman-vf700culed-vga-cooler.html

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/xoxide/zalman-vf700cu-led-2.jpg

For some reason though, Xoxide discontinued EVERY RamSink they carry. You'll only save a couple bucks by buying them from another place besides newegg, so I'm gonna get them from there.

PS: I was a noob, and attached some Zalman RamSinks on my old ATI AIW9600XT with my Zalman HP Blue Anodized Aluminum cooler with AS5 instead of the thermal tape about 2 years ago. Would anybody be willing to use some Vantec Copper BGA RamSinks and test MAX OCs with AS5 vs Thermal Tape vs Arctic Alumina on these? If not, I'll buy two packs or so and compare thermal tape, AS5, and Arctic Alumina.



those ramsinks are too tall, the top left sink will not allow the zalman to seat all the way down, I know I tried it. you may be able to sand/cut it if you have the means.

[psxcrazy]

Anyone have an issue where half life crashes your pc when you have a high oc cause I do all games work fine except half life it crashes my pc i have to turn my card down

[Psxcrazy]

Anyone have an issue where half life crashes your pc when you have a high oc cause I do all games work fine except half life it crashes my pc i have to turn my card down
sorry i meant far cry

[Unregistered]

I guess with 4 pipes disabled the core is running cooler so its easier to hit 575.. From what ive noticed with my card is that the temp of the core seems to have a knock on effect on how high i can run the memory stable.

With stock cooling my R423 core jumps from about 40c to nearly 70c and thats only running at like 460mhz, when my waterblock turns up ill see how high i can get it.......

i think ur gonna need some extra cooling to get it stable with 16pipes at 575
I'm using a Zalman 700Cu, which is why I'm so curious about my high temperatures.

[Unregistered]

HI guy's i will receive my card tomorow and I try to mod-it.
Nobody have this card ?

Sorry for my poor english.

[Dr.D]

so is there a new bios that shows the card to be an x850xt with the new catalyst 5.10 drivers? if so where can we get it? :)

Does it matter what it shows? So long as your unlock and runninng at X800XT speeds right?

[DanishDevil]

those ramsinks are too tall, the top left sink will not allow the zalman to seat all the way down, I know I tried it. you may be able to sand/cut it if you have the means.

Thanks for the tip man. I'm gonna have to look into a few things . . .

My friend got the AeroCool VM-102 from Europe a few weeks ago. Check it out:

http://www.aerocool.com.tw/Images/cooler/vm-102/VM-102-1.jpg

http://www.aerocool.com.tw/Images/cooler/vm-102/VM-102-2.jpg

http://www.aerocool.com.tw/Images/cooler/vm-102/VM-102-6.jpg

I WANT ONE!!! Does anybody know where they are selling, and when they will sell in the US?

[Dr.D]

I called ATACOM and they said they will get their shipments in on friday (10/21/05)
"If they have them in on time" said the lady I talked to:mad: :mad:

[DanishDevil]

Does it matter what it shows? So long as your unlock and runninng at X800XT speeds right?

Exactly my philosiphy. I don't know why all you guys freak out about whether Device Manager says you have an X850XTPE anyway. The fact is, if it overclocks to XTPE speeds, you do in fact have one :toast:

[Trevor]

Does it matter what it shows? So long as your unlock and runninng at X800XT speeds right?
I'm worried he's trying to do this for malicious purposes.
(Sell it on Ebay as an X850XT/PE, and just say he added a cooler, or something along those lines.)

[DanishDevil]

He can do whatever he wants. I actually pondered selling these as modded X800GTO2s at X850XTPE Speeds. Too much work during Junior year of High School though.

[DanishDevil]

OK guys. I have decided that I'm going with that Zalman cooler I mentioned earlier and I'm just going to use the RamSinks that come with it. No, they won't cool as well as copper ones, but, hey, you can always upgrade your ramsinks.

[Ombracol]

Hey guys I Have the gto2 have it running 549 610 with stock cooler artifactfree so my question is if i purchase a high end cooler how much higher can i get ther card would the gain be worth the price if anyone knows? what is the highest you guys have gotten

[DanishDevil]

Your clocks seem very good. I can't get my core that high, but my ram goes a little bit higher. 522/619 now for me. I would defenitely invest in this cooler:

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/xoxide/zalman-vf700cu-led-2.jpg

http://xoxide.com/zalman-vf700culed-vga-cooler.html

$28.99 + tax and ship. Not too shabby.

[Ombracol]

I have to keep all my fans at 100% to get 549/610 those speeds ican only get it to 540 540 if i want my pc to be quiet

[Trevor]

He can do whatever he wants. I actually pondered selling these as modded X800GTO2s at X850XTPE Speeds. Too much work during Junior year of High School though.
Yes, but you'd have to list them as X800GTO2s that are modded to X850XT PEs... not X850XTPE's flat out.

He was asking what it would appear as in the BIOS, and the only reason I can think of for a question like that is deception <_<

[p0lly]

OKAY!!!!!! Everyone out there i the know... is a modded GTO2 @ XTPE the same as genuine XTPE? My problem is this - bios settings in the genuine may, and probably are different ex. multipliers, mem timings, etc. My skepticism comes from me running my gto2 at the EXACT same speeds as my x800pro and i got 300 less in 3D05 with my GTO2. I didn't check timings. I would guess that the XTPE's mem is even more optimized than my x800pro and would beat is at even settings. THEREFORE... (i ask again) is the GTO2 (overclocked @ GTO2, 16pp 540, 590)the same as a genuine x850XTPE?

[Ombracol]

OKAY!!!!!! Everyone out there i the know... is a modded GTO2 @ XTPE the same as genuine XTPE? My problem is this - bios settings in the genuine may, and probably are different ex. multipliers, mem timings, etc. My skepticism comes from me running my gto2 at the EXACT same speeds as my x800pro and i got 300 less in 3D05 with my GTO2. I didn't check timings. I would guess that the XTPE's mem is even more optimized than my x800pro and would beat is at even settings. THEREFORE... (i ask again) is the GTO2 (overclocked @ GTO2, 16pp 540, 590)the same as a genuine x850XTPE?
I got 6118 score with 3dmark 05 on my gto2 set at optimal with catalyst i get a lil less with mipmap at high quality but i'm running the card 549/610 with stock cooler just need to keep my case cool to be artifact free about 30c is what my case is durring idle and 38 when playing games

[Trevor]

OKAY!!!!!! Everyone out there i the know... is a modded GTO2 @ XTPE the same as genuine XTPE? My problem is this - bios settings in the genuine may, and probably are different ex. multipliers, mem timings, etc. My skepticism comes from me running my gto2 at the EXACT same speeds as my x800pro and i got 300 less in 3D05 with my GTO2. I didn't check timings. I would guess that the XTPE's mem is even more optimized than my x800pro and would beat is at even settings. THEREFORE... (i ask again) is the GTO2 (overclocked @ GTO2, 16pp 540, 590)the same as a genuine x850XTPE?
Not quite.
These are the bottom-of-the-barrel cores.. so they probably won't run as well.
(Like a 2.6 Venice vs. another 2.6 venice, even with the exact setup one might score a tad higher.)

Timings would also be quite important.
If you're trying to pass off an X800GTO2 as an X850XT PE, don't bother, you'll get caught.

[RatusNatus]

You can't unlock them, only GTO2 and Connect3D GTO are unlockable. It's all in the article.
I think you can confirm this here http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=5367


Hehehe, thankx man but i already read 55 pages and the article, in the beggining, says that JUST GTO2 is modded!A few weeks later this info was updated. The info is true until is updated!!!
In 55 pages looks like no one tryed to mod the PwC GTO.
So, i'm thinking if someone will update the article AGAIN with some new info about Powercolor GTO.

[Ebola]

Still stockcooling, some improvements on memory, ambiant is ~22°C :/ A64 @ 3Ghz

http://ebola.club.fr/gto2-3dm05.jpg

t° does matter a lot, moreover the thermal paste is crap and the copper insert is a big bullshit. A must set under wb or dod ;)

[Ombracol]

Still stockcooling, some improvements on memory, ambiant is ~22°C :/ A64 @ 3Ghz

http://ebola.club.fr/gto2-3dm05.jpg

t° does matter a lot, moreover the thermal paste is crap and the copper insert is a big bullshit. A must set under wb or dod ;)
man thats is alot better than my score of 6118 but i'm running a pentium 4 3.2 could it be the amd man my pentium is crap cause my speeds are 549/610 and my 3dmark aint even close to touching yours how you get your ambient so low

[p0lly]

Not quite.
These are the bottom-of-the-barrel cores.. so they probably won't run as well.
(Like a 2.6 Venice vs. another 2.6 venice, even with the exact setup one might score a tad higher.)

Timings would also be quite important.
If you're trying to pass off an X800GTO2 as an X850XT PE, don't bother, you'll get caught.
OK!!! I think that the OCing population needs to be informed about this issue. Tweeking every last drop out of your hardware is what enthusiasts do. OCing to XTPE speeds and flashing the bios of the XTPE will most likely give different results... granted these will be minimal, and probably not noticeable in a realife setting but that's not what we (the enthusiast community) care about! 100 points extra in 3D05 is exciting.

To get back to my original post and question... can anyone shed some light on the performance difference between a GTO2 OCed to XTPE speed (w/ 16pp) and a GTO2 flashed to a genuine XTPE bios.

[Trevor]

Still stockcooling, some improvements on memory, ambiant is ~22°C :/ A64 @ 3Ghz

http://ebola.club.fr/gto2-3dm05.jpg

t° does matter a lot, moreover the thermal paste is crap and the copper insert is a big bullshit. A must set under wb or dod ;)
I'm buying a WB, eventually.
Just need to buy some extra tubing, as well.

Very nice score, though considering the 3200 is at 3 Ghz, not as good as I'd expect.

WHERE DO YOU LIVE!? Honestly now, 22C's ambient?
My room is in the 30s?
That'd be several below my ambient ROOM temperature =|

[Ombracol]

OK!!! I think that the OCing population needs to be informed about this issue. Tweeking every last drop out of your hardware is what enthusiasts do. OCing to XTPE speeds and flashing the bios of the XTPE will most likely give different results... granted these will be minimal, and probably not noticeable in a realife setting but that's not what we (the enthusiast community) care about! 100 points extra in 3D05 is exciting.

To get back to my original post and question... can anyone shed some light on the performance difference between a GTO2 OCed to XTPE speed (w/ 16pp) and a GTO2 flashed to a genuine XTPE bios.
I taught that if you flashe with original xtpe bios you wont unlock the 4 extra pipes that was the reason for using the modifed flasher and bios i'm happy with my performance numbers but if any one has flashed with xtpe bios let us know

[DanishDevil]

Test of Catalyst 5.10 Drivers:

Aquamark 3:

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/Catalyst-AQM.png

Sry for the big image.

3DMark05:

http://www.nbpdexplorers.com/DANISH/TechPowerUp%20Pics/Catalyst-3DM.png

A small performance increase over the OMEGA Drivers in AquaMark 3, small performance decrease in 3DMark 05. Food for thought. Maybe tweaking all that shit doesn't really do you much good performancewise.

OMEGA:
AQM: 73,759
3DM: 6495

Catalyst:
AQM: 73,956
3DM: 6488

Danish

[t^3]

DanishDevil: Maybe instead of posting 1600x1200 screenshots like that, you could just write out the 2 sentences of info that's there. It's not like we don't believe you, and even then, screenshots can be Photoshopped. Plus, you'll save your host a lot on bandwidth costs. :)

[p0lly]

I taught that if you flashe with original xtpe bios you wont unlock the 4 extra pipes that was the reason for using the modifed flasher and bios i'm happy with my performance numbers but if any one has flashed with xtpe bios let us know
Ombracol,
using the modified flashrom allows you to flash ANY bios including the original XTPE bios. you are right that just a flash to the bios using atiflash will not work (in most cases). this thread has been pushing a modified ORIGINAL GTO2 bios to unlock the 16 pipes and then leave the overclocking up to the user (maintains original gto2 core and mem speds). this is smart for a few reasons: (1.) the xtpe seems to be killing some peoples fans (2.) the speeds of the xtpe may be a little to high for some peoples gto2's so they would then have to underclock. (3.) you don't need to go out and buy an aftermarket cooler to maintain reasonable temperatures without sacrificing noise.

My issue with this (AND NOBODY HAS YET TO TOUCH ON IT - W1ZZARD, maybe a little insight?) GTO2 modded bios is that some of the essential goodies in the XTPE bios (mem timings, multiplyers, and some i may be unaware of) are not represented in the GTO2 bios. just because the core and mem are the same it doesn't mean that it will perform the same... simple example DDR400 @3-3-3-8 vs. DDR400 @2-2-2-7. the bandwidth is the same but the latencies are not. It is still just a guess, but i believe the GTO2's mem may be more of the 3-3-3-8 part of my example whereas the XTPE's mem is at the 2-2-2-7 (obviously these numbers are not representitive of the actual DDR3 timings)

CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dynamic]

Yeah, that's real smart there, kiddo. I had to go and buy a new 21" monitor just to see this image, not only you're costing the Admin money, me too, :P
Anyhow i've been reading this whole thread and came to my attention maybe the reason why when you add the 4 pipelines and can't get the same core/mem o/c is because of the heat, connection, strains. When you look at the front side of the GTO2 it comes with this cooler on the GPU along with the four memory modules covered by its copper. When you look at the back side, it's an aluminum heatspreader and not copper. Then again not every gpu/memory modules on these cards are going to overclock identical anyway. Beside not sure what improvements they've done to the ATI Silencer, but the Silencer 3 (not sure which rev, i think it's the first issue and no revision) only got my 9800xt overclocked from 412/365 to 437/383 and if i do remember i couldn't overclock the damn thing with it's original cooler past 418/? One thing i know, copper is always better then aluminum so stay away from aluminum, i think that's what comes with the AC ATI SILENCER 5 Rev2, an aluminum heatspreader on the back memory modules, no good. Another thing if you want good overclocking on any of your components, PSU is the key. I got an OCZ 520 Modstream that should be up to the task. I already have my 3000+ Venice E3 @2.44 (limited vcore 1.45v) and OCZ EL DDR400 2x512 DC to 2225-1T 220Mhz (Set at 166) with the OCZ Booster at 3.4v. So i'm still waiting for a better deal then paying $279 or $255 for this GTO2.

[t^3]

I think somebody actually mentioned a while back that the memory timings are in fact the same between the X800 GTO2 and X850 XT PE. I can confirm this - just use RaBiT (Radeon BIOS Tuner) to look at them.

[Ombracol]

Ombracol,
using the modified flashrom allows you to flash ANY bios including the original XTPE bios. you are right that just a flash to the bios using atiflash will not work (in most cases). this thread has been pushing a modified ORIGINAL GTO2 bios to unlock the 16 pipes and then leave the overclocking up to the user (maintains original gto2 core and mem speds). this is smart for a few reasons: (1.) the xtpe seems to be killing some peoples fans (2.) the speeds of the xtpe may be a little to high for some peoples gto2's so they would then have to underclock. (3.) you don't need to go out and buy an aftermarket cooler to maintain reasonable temperatures without sacrificing noise.

My issue with this (AND NOBODY HAS YET TO TOUCH ON IT - W1ZZARD, maybe a little insight?) GTO2 modded bios is that some of the essential goodies in the XTPE bios (mem timings, multiplyers, and some i may be unaware of) are not represented in the GTO2 bios. just because the core and mem are the same it doesn't mean that it will perform the same... simple example DDR400 @3-3-3-8 vs. DDR400 @2-2-2-7. the bandwidth is the same but the latencies are not. It is still just a guess, but i believe the GTO2's mem may be more of the 3-3-3-8 part of my example whereas the XTPE's mem is at the 2-2-2-7 (obviously these numbers are not representitive of the actual DDR3 timings)

CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I have my card steady at 549/610 i got a score of 6118 on 3dmark so i will try flashing xtpe bios and see what results i get

[Ombracol]

I think somebody actually mentioned a while back that the memory timings are in fact the same between the X800 GTO2 and X850 XT PE. I can confirm this - just use RaBiT (Radeon BIOS Tuner) to look at them.
i have rabit when i try to open the modified bios it crashes but all other bios work fine i didnt try the original gto2 bios but i will do that before i go flashing my card again

[t^3]

i have rabit when i try to open the modified bios it crashes but all other bios work fine i didnt try the original gto2 bios but i will do that before i go flashing my card again
I think the crashing issue is fixed in version 1.7 of RaBiT.

[Ombracol]

yeah just checked the original gto2 and xtpe mem timing are all the same

so there you go moded gto2 same as xtpe

[Ombracol]

so inlight of all of this i am going to flash my bios with the higher oc that i have from atitool using rabit so i wont have to use atitool when starting up but i wonder how it will affect my fanspeed will my fan hit 100% if it gets to hot anyone know?

[p0lly]

OMBRACOL and T^3... that is EXACTLY what i was looking for - THANK YOU!

Then I wonder why my x800pro performs better than my GTO2 at the same mem and core... perhaps the pro's timings are even more tweeked b/c it's meant to run slower???

[Ebola]

OK!!! I think that the OCing population needs to be informed about this issue. Tweeking every last drop out of your hardware is what enthusiasts do. OCing to XTPE speeds and flashing the bios of the XTPE will most likely give different results... granted these will be minimal, and probably not noticeable in a realife setting but that's not what we (the enthusiast community) care about! 100 points extra in 3D05 is exciting.

To get back to my original post and question... can anyone shed some light on the performance difference between a GTO2 OCed to XTPE speed (w/ 16pp) and a GTO2 flashed to a genuine XTPE bios.
A friend tried a genuine XT PE bios and got instability issues. The problem is that you must have a card that support 540/590, unless you can't give any conclusion

I will do it when the core will be enough cooled and guaranted to be rockstable at 540

[Ebola]

I'm buying a WB, eventually.
Just need to buy some extra tubing, as well.

Very nice score, though considering the 3200 is at 3 Ghz, not as good as I'd expect.

WHERE DO YOU LIVE!? Honestly now, 22C's ambient?
My room is in the 30s?
That'd be several below my ambient ROOM temperature =|
The ambiant am reporting is the real ambiant temperature, not the one reported by ATiTool (the LM63 temp)

[Ebola]

yeah just checked the original gto2 and xtpe mem timing are all the same

so there you go moded gto2 same as xtpe
Rather focus on some optimised timings given by an XS member

Even if you lose some MHz, you'll win much more from decreasing latency

TRCDRD: 7
TRCDWR: 3
TRP: 5
TRAS: 13
TRRD: 4
TWR: 6
TR2W: CL+2
TW2R: 4
TR2R: USE TWR RULE
TR2R: 2
WR_LATENCY: 1.5
CAS_LATENCY: 7
CMD_LATENCY: 0
STR_LATENCY: WR LATENCY
REFRESH_RATE: 0x75
TRFC: 23

[scorpion_amd13]

I want to mod an X800GT card. I've seen that no one managed to mod an X800GT so I'm going to take my chances. I'm going to buy a HIS or PowerColor Radeon X800GT with 256MB GDDR3/256 bits.

First of all, I've noticed that there are no X800GT cards equiped with the additional power connector, which would normally mean that a succesfull mod from X800GT to X850XT is impossible. I can't stop wondering, can't I just mount a connector on the PCB? I didn't find the answer to this question yet and I was hoping you could help out here. If I could get a power connector, can I mount it on the PCB?

The second problem is the BIOS. Can I use one of the modded BIOS versions presented at the begining of this article on a HIS/PowerColor X800GT with 256MB GDDR3/256 bits? Or would that be a mistake?

I was also thinking of buying an Arctic Cooling ATi Silencer 5 (Rev. 2) to cool the card.

What do you think?

[p0lly]

Rather focus on some optimised timings given by an XS member

Even if you lose some MHz, you'll win much more from decreasing latency

TRCDRD: 7
TRCDWR: 3
TRP: 5
TRAS: 13
TRRD: 4
TWR: 6
TR2W: CL+2
TW2R: 4
TR2R: USE TWR RULE
TR2R: 2
WR_LATENCY: 1.5
CAS_LATENCY: 7
CMD_LATENCY: 0
STR_LATENCY: WR LATENCY
REFRESH_RATE: 0x75
TRFC: 23

are these the optimized timings? are they slightly tweaked or fully (w/ stability of course)? what is the equivalent performance of the mem at stock timings... ie. with the lower clock speed but decreased latencies, what speed is it equal to at normal latencies?

IS THERE A THREAD DEDICATED TO THIS TOPIC??

[GreenBaron]

I heard that the X800 cards do not support DirectX9 Shader 3.0. This seems true enough. But I also heard that X850 cards DO support Shader 3.0. Is this true?

If it is true, then how does this pertain to making a GTO2 into an X850 XTPE? If the XTPE can do Shader 3.0, is this because of the R480 chip? Then what would it take to make the GTO2 run Shader 3.0 --- would this be a reason to use the real XTPE bios?

IF the R480 supports this, do any other chips support Shader 3.0 also? The R423? -- Thinking of my GTO.

BTW:

Connect3D 12p GTO OC 540/540 - 5610 at 68 degrees 80% FAN. Athlon 64-3200+ eMachines. Pretty good for an EMACHINES!!! I'll flash to 16p later.

-GB

[GreenBaron]

Everyone is mentioning to use a boot disk (so you are not in Windows XP) to do the BIOS flashing. This makes sense.

But what about using Safe Mode Command Prompt? Wouldn't this be just as good?

-GB

[Ombracol]

I heard that the X800 cards do not support DirectX9 Shader 3.0. This seems true enough. But I also heard that X850 cards DO support Shader 3.0. Is this true?

If it is true, then how does this pertain to making a GTO2 into an X850 XTPE? If the XTPE can do Shader 3.0, is this because of the R480 chip? Then what would it take to make the GTO2 run Shader 3.0 --- would this be a reason to use the real XTPE bios?

IF the R480 supports this, do any other chips support Shader 3.0 also? The R423? -- Thinking of my GTO.

BTW:

Connect3D 12p GTO OC 540/540 - 5610 at 68 degrees 80% FAN. Athlon 64-3200+ eMachines. Pretty good for an EMACHINES!!! I'll flash to 16p later.

-GB
I believe only the new ati cards x1800 etc support 3.0 shaders and certain nvidia

[Dynamic]

From gathering information throughout this forum i've came to a conclusion on attempting the mod on a Connect3D X800 GTO. First i'll try to see if the fuses match, then get on with the mod....

Method:
1)atiflash -s 0 c3dgto.bin (Save old bios)
2)atiflash -p 0 newbios.bin -newbios (X800 PRO VIVO 16PP Mod bios or GTO MOD [This Site])
If the second procedure doesn't work i'll do the force command....
3)atiflash -f -p 0 newbios.bin -newbios (Force flash with modded bios)
4)atiflash -f -p 0 c3dgto.bin (Flash back my original bios including the new 4 pipelines)
Reboot....
One thing i would like to make clear is that when i do use the "-newbios" to preserve bios settings the command comes after the bios and why? So that's what i'm going to do, flash it with a Connect3D X800 PRO VIVO 16pp bios modded with the -newbios command and then reflash my old original bios that i backed up before. I'll then reboot and go back into windows and hopefully everything works, if not....
1)reinstall ati drivers "5.10" and hopefully works...
If not....
Try to clear all my modded/unmodded bios with the specific command listed somewhere i have to find right now and reflash with original Bios. I'll then try Flashrom instead of Atiflash and do the same thing over...What do you guys stink? :P

[nick255]

From gathering information throughout this forum i've came to a conclusion on attempting the mod on a Connect3D X800 GTO. First i'll try to see if the fuses match, then get on with the mod....

Method:
1)atiflash -s 0 c3dgto.bin (Save old bios)
2)atiflash -p 0 newbios.bin -newbios (X800 PRO VIVO 16PP Mod bios or GTO MOD [This Site])
If the second procedure doesn't work i'll do the force command....
3)atiflash -f -p 0 newbios.bin -newbios (Force flash with modded bios)
4)atiflash -f -p 0 c3dgto.bin (Flash back my original bios including the new 4 pipelines)
Reboot....
One thing i would like to make clear is that when i do use the "-newbios" to preserve bios settings the command comes after the bios and why? So that's what i'm going to do, flash it with a Connect3D X800 PRO VIVO 16pp bios modded with the -newbios command and then reflash my old original bios that i backed up before. I'll then reboot and go back into windows and hopefully everything works, if not....
1)reinstall ati drivers "5.10" and hopefully works...
If not....
Try to clear all my modded/unmodded bios with the specific command listed somewhere i have to find right now and reflash with original Bios. I'll then try Flashrom instead of Atiflash and do the same thing over...What do you guys stink? :P

If your going to use the modified c3d bios, use the modified flashrom from the article instead of atiflash or you will end up with a black screen

[Dynamic]

nick255,
That's exactly what i was going to use on the first method. By the way, did you get my private message? Thank you again and in advance....

[Dynamic]

When you look at the page #4 on the mod site, now it's updated to:
Success 23 : 1 Failed (last update Oct 21 2005)
On which cards, GTO2 or GTO, or both? 1 fail, oh oh......

[nick255]

im quite interested in this faliure, because either the failed card doesnt have an R423 core or i dunno what.
I find it hard to believe ati started making R423 cores with 4 cut pipes just for connect3ds gto.
The other R423 cores currently are 16 piped apart from the one thats going in the x800 gt which has 8 pipes.... Though if the x800 gts can be modified to 12 pipes then i guess it could be this core turning up in c3d gto cards now

[Ombracol]

i think o lost my 4 pipelines when trying to flash the modified bios with higher oc now i get horrible 3dmark scores even after flashing with the moded bios i'm gonna try a spyware scan and reinstalling drivers but if anyone have any ideas help please

[Vario]

So do we know for sure if the connect3d x800 gto will unlock? The sapphire x800gto2 oem went out of my price range.

I am looking at this particular model http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814142052.

[Ombracol]

i think o lost my 4 pipelines when trying to flash the modified bios with higher oc now i get horrible 3dmark scores even after flashing with the moded bios i'm gonna try a spyware scan and reinstalling drivers but if anyone have any ideas help please
I am such an idiot i taught i had the gto on optimal performance but i had it on optimal quality

[mascaras]

my conect3d x800 GTO arrive next monday , then i will see if i can make de MOD or not. :rockout:

[mascaras]

by now, who is the one who cant make the MOD (Success 23 : 1 Failed )????Strange

[Dynamic]

Yeah, who is the failure, SHOW YOURSELF... :P

[mascaras]

lolololol not for that , only to know what hapened , my GTO arrive monday now i have afraid :respect:

[Dynamic]

Damn, Newegg just took the OEM Gto2 $199 off it's charts, it's only selling the $279 retail, bastards! Okay, Directron and Zipzoomfly gto2 are out of stock, but they both have very nice prices, $214-$220? Okay, how many C3D Gto and Gto2 mod success owner here in this thread, SHOW YOURSELF!

[mascaras]

my conect3d already in store but only come to my house monday , then i post .:toast:

[Trevor]

Damn, Newegg just took the OEM Gto2 $199 off it's charts, it's only selling the $279 retail, bastards! Okay, Directron and Zipzoomfly gto2 are out of stock, but they both have very nice prices, $214-$220? Okay, how many C3D Gto and Gto2 mod success owner here in this thread, SHOW YOURSELF!
It's still there.
Search for "Sapphire X800" and scroll down. Just out of stock.

[Ombracol]

So i flashed my card with the x850xtpe bios and did a fresh install of catalyst and since it thinks its a x850 it downloaded overdrive with catalyst a built in overclocker for those of you who did no know and achieved a personal best of 554/614 artifact free the only thing is fan does not start up unless you use atitool and set fan speed but you can exit afterwards and keep the fan running i have to read more into that problem i taught i saw something about the fan issue on previous posts but i like that oc tool in catalyst pretty neat dont need atitool hoging up extra resources

[DanishDevil]

So i flashed my card with the x850xtpe bios and did a fresh install of catalyst and since it thinks its a x850 it downloaded overdrive with catalyst a built in overclocker for those of you who did no know and achieved a personal best of 554/614 artifact free the only thing is fan does not start up unless you use atitool and set fan speed but you can exit afterwards and keep the fan running i have to read more into that problem i taught i saw something about the fan issue on previous posts but i like that oc tool in catalyst pretty neat dont need atitool hoging up extra resources

Ever heard of a period? Not bad results BTW. I've heard of fan problems with modding these cards to X850XTPEs. I'm ordering my Zalman V700CU tomorrow.

[Ombracol]

lol danish

[p0lly]

Ombracol,
do you have a power cable from your PSU to power your card, oe are you using the cable that was supplied with your card? Some people think that the three wire connector that comes with the card may be the culprit vs. the six wire connector that comes with certain PSU's.

[2BIG4U]

http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product.asp?pid=12993#
this is the right card? because i want to order.

[mascaras]

yep, its that card .

[Ombracol]

Ombracol,
do you have a power cable from your PSU to power your card, oe are you using the cable that was supplied with your card? Some people think that the three wire connector that comes with the card may be the culprit vs. the six wire connector that comes with certain PSU's.
I'm using the one that came with my card i wanted to get a psu but i have a sony and all there stuff is custom but i got lucky its a 375w psu i am gonna replace the motherboard so i can oc the processor and maybe memory .I think you can also oc the pci port increase its bandwith but sony wants me to install the motherboard at there service place....yeah right and they said they couldnt guarentee that my software would work wich is crap i should just have built my own pc but all in all i am happy with the case does a great job of keeping everything cool thats why i am holding off on a cooler for my gto cause it takes up to much space and not worth it atleast for me.... Its good if you have a warm case cause i have heard you dont get to much oc out of the coolers.....unless you have a warm case cause its all about ambient temp... I will probably get a cooler when my fan burns out cause i have to keep it at 100% all the time

[DanishDevil]

http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product.asp?pid=12993#
this is the right card? because i want to order.

Yep, that's the one.

Ombracol,
do you have a power cable from your PSU to power your card, oe are you using the cable that was supplied with your card? Some people think that the three wire connector that comes with the card may be the culprit vs. the six wire connector that comes with certain PSU's.

That's what I'm thinking. I'm gonna order one of those new Enermax Liberties, Most likely the 680W in case I go Crossfire and Athlon 64 FX soon. The standard 6-pin PEC power connector comes with 3 12V leads and 3 grounds (just going by the color of the wires here, so sorry if i'm wrong) and the adapter comes with 2 12V leads and 1 ground.

I think you can also oc the pci port increase its bandwith

I have my PEC Bandwadth at 110MHz vs the original 100MHz. I'm gonna try bumping it up and see if it aids OCing.

[Dr.D]

Well I called atacom and they dont seem to have any idea when they are gonna get the cards

[Ombracol]

what games are you guys playing

[DanishDevil]

Well I called atacom and they dont seem to have any idea when they are gonna get the cards

GL with that man.

I play America's Army and the F.E.A.R. Multiplayer Demo. I play each at 1600x1200 and get about 45+FPS on medium settings in F.E.A.R. and all settings maxed in AA for about 65+FPS. I love em both.

[Ombracol]

yeah i've been playing fear single player is real good the thing that sux is that i have an lcd so everything caps at 60 fps cause i have to enable vsync if i dont i get a splitting screen crts a re real cheap now i might get one of those or maybe save up for a high def you can get some for 800 dollars now

[p0lly]

I have the 6 wire cable from my PSU powering my card, but I havn't flashed to XTPE yet because i'm still burning in my card... i burnt in my old x800pro VIVO over a one week period and noticed a HUGE!!! decrease in temp's that the core and mem were running at. once i feel that my card can run at those speeds (safely), i'll let everyone know if i experience the same fan problems that others are experiencing.

Ombracol, there is no point in going over 60FPS... the human eye can't see the difference (you will not notice a playing difference between 60 and 100FPS)... the ONLY reason that higher FPS is better is because your MIN FPS in a hugh fire fight (or whatever) may be noticed. EX. 40 FPS (average) is VERY playable as long as it never drops below 40 - which we all know is not the case. if you turn off Vsync and crank up the AA and AF, that will limit your FPS to under 60... horizontal tearing will stop, and you don't have to go and dish out that extra $$$.

[Ombracol]

thanks polly

[DanishDevil]

I have the 6 wire cable from my PSU powering my card, but I havn't flashed to XTPE yet because i'm still burning in my card... i burnt in my old x800pro VIVO over a one week period and noticed a HUGE!!! decrease in temp's that the core and mem were running at. once i feel that my card can run at those speeds (safely), i'll let everyone know if i experience the same fan problems that others are experiencing.

Ombracol, there is no point in going over 60FPS... the human eye can't see the difference (you will not notice a playing difference between 60 and 100FPS)... the ONLY reason that higher FPS is better is because your MIN FPS in a hugh fire fight (or whatever) may be noticed. EX. 40 FPS (average) is VERY playable as long as it never drops below 40 - which we all know is not the case. if you turn off Vsync and crank up the AA and AF, that will limit your FPS to under 60... horizontal tearing will stop, and you don't have to go and dish out that extra $$$.

I agree. I play at 60FPS max on America's Army, and the thing is, the FPS NEVER crosses the 60/65 border. EVER. The thing I notice about ATi Cards vs. nVidia Cards is that ATi's Cards have a much more solid framerate. I had an MSI 6800GT before the X800GTO2, and it got like 120 FPS at times, but it would drop to like 20 in smoke. In AquaMark 3 with the 6800GT, the smoke would drop it to 20, and the X800GTO2 doesn't go below 45.

Overall, steady FPS above 40-50 is the best you're gonna get (any better doesn't matter).

[Qtax]

Don't know if anyone said this lately but the "original Connect3D X800 GTO bios" link in
Original, unmodified Bios: Sapphire X800 GTO² | Connect3D X800 GTO
(in the article) is broken. It should be:
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/127/images/Connect3D.X800GTO.Samsung20.bin
s/Sapphire/Connect3D/;

[mike_dude_]

My Connect3D X800 GTO unlocked to 16p, no problems there,boosted 3dMark05 from 4493 to 5050 ...
But my card must be the worst overclocker ever.. Max stabel Core 435 and mem 510 with ATITool. Gpu max temp 72C.
What is limiting my core oc? High temerature? Bad sample? Or is it something about the powercable that came with the card( read something about it in a previous post)?

[VTwedge]

hey guys anyone who is flashing a connect3d x800 gto do this: save your original bios, flash an X800XT bios not an X850xt since that is for the r480 cores the connect3d gto has an r423 core and the x800xt has an r423 core, then flash back your original bios. oh and use atiflash! you dont have to reinstall drivers for it. i flashed mine like 3 weeks ago, its workin fine. followed the flash procedure described above booted into windows ati tools immediately saw 16 pipelines, so did rivatuner, drivers loaded normally! as for the guy who was wondering what was wrong with his overclocking with the connect3d he should know that the memory chips r samsungs 2ns rated at 500mhz so it wont overclock as high as the gto2 who has 1.6ns memory chips rated at 600mhz! the 423core is closer to the 430 core which is an x800xl card. best speed you are gonna get is 520/520 with preferably a third party cooler.oh and by the way i left mine running at the default speeds and im gettin better scores in 3dmark05 than an x800xl;) i also got mine running 520/520 but it was gettin too hot so if you are gonna overclock make sure you have sufficient cooling. cheers and best of luck!

[mascaras]

look what score a portuguese user do with conect3d moded 560/580>>>> http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3784/gto1rm.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gto1rm.jpg) -- take that :toast:

[nick255]

My Connect3D X800 GTO unlocked to 16p, no problems there,boosted 3dMark05 from 4493 to 5050 ...
But my card must be the worst overclocker ever.. Max stabel Core 435 and mem 510 with ATITool. Gpu max temp 72C.
What is limiting my core oc? High temerature? Bad sample? Or is it something about the powercable that came with the card( read something about it in a previous post)?

Temperature certainly limits the overclock you can get with this card, using a waterblock i managed to get the core to 549mhz before it crashed..... the temperature was still low so i think it probably needs more voltage to go higher but im not gonna try a voltmod just yet.

Actually while i was running 3dmark, i didnt notice one of the pipes had kinked, and it crashed with the core at 86c so i guess thats a temperature to avoid!

[mike_dude_]

I will get the "Aero Cool Video Magic VM-102" or "Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer 5 ATI REV.2" to get better cooling. But I doubt that I will reach 500 on the core when it's only doing 435 with stock cooling, running the fan at 100%. I kow the C3D uses slower mem, so not so disappointed in that respect, but the gpu clock was a big letdown...
Or does anybody know if better cooling will boost overclocking much? Well, at least the gpu will run cooler and quieter!

[mascaras]

very strange do you saw the cloks that my portuguese friend put in his conect3d card '?? 560/580 ;) and its the same card and same memorys that you have .

[Ombracol]

My Connect3D X800 GTO unlocked to 16p, no problems there,boosted 3dMark05 from 4493 to 5050 ...
But my card must be the worst overclocker ever.. Max stabel Core 435 and mem 510 with ATITool. Gpu max temp 72C.
What is limiting my core oc? High temerature? Bad sample? Or is it something about the powercable that came with the card( read something about it in a previous post)?

ambient temp my friend my gpu never goes above 60 c and my ambient temp in my case is 30 idle 38 full load i had an issue whe i couldnt go higher than 520 540 when my case would be at 40 idle and 48 full load cranked all my fans to 100% got temp inside case low and now i get 554/614 if you have warm case the air is to warm to cool your gpu so try to get your case temp down not to mention i am using the stock cooler

[Ombracol]

I will get the "Aero Cool Video Magic VM-102" or "Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer 5 ATI REV.2" to get better cooling. But I doubt that I will reach 500 on the core when it's only doing 435 with stock cooling, running the fan at 100%. I kow the C3D uses slower mem, so not so disappointed in that respect, but the gpu clock was a big letdown...
Or does anybody know if better cooling will boost overclocking much? Well, at least the gpu will run cooler and quieter!
aftermarket coolers work great if you cant get your case temps down but if you can keep your case temp low aftermarket cooler will only benefit you by keeping your pc quiet as for oc it will aid very minimal unless like i keep saying you have a hot case. the aftermarket cooler will help bring you case temp down wich will then aid in being able to oc at a higher speed..gpu will always get warm under load its about how effective your able to decipitate that heat and if its warm in your case it wont do that great of a job

[VTwedge]

560/580?? are you sure he is using a connect3d gto card?!?!?! max memory i could push it was 550 and the core at 465 at that! are you sure he is not using an x800xt overclocked mascaras?!?! unless he is watercooling the cpu and memory chips i dont see how he got that high

[Scenatic]

Flashed my Connect3D GTO yersterday......could get the card to 531 core and 531 Mem by now. 3D Mark 05 result was 6173 Points.

Still using the stock cooler but thinking about to get my system watercooled. Let´s see wat time brings us^^

[nick255]

560/580?? are you sure he is using a connect3d gto card?!?!?! max memory i could push it was 550 and the core at 465 at that! are you sure he is not using an x800xt overclocked mascaras?!?! unless he is watercooling the cpu and memory chips i dont see how he got that high

Ild say you would have to put some active coolin on the memory chips of some kind, im not being funny but my memory clocked at 530, the heatsinks i put on them can burn ur fingers!

[Ombracol]

gto2 279 now at new egg

[HousERaT]

It seems that as the number of cards get less and less, the price is going up. Especially at Newegg.

[mascaras]

VTwedge, yes im sure is a conect3d x800GTO he bought it in same shop i buy my x800GTO and his using a zalman vf700 and ramsinks on memorys. And you saw x800XT cause its same core (r423 moded=x800xt) and same bios, the bios that you flash conect3d its not the same bios that you flash GTO2(r480 moded= x850xt)

[RatusNatus]

My bad...

Cheers

[Dr.D]

I got a email from ATACOM:

Thank you for shopping at ATACOM, We are sorry to let you know the item you ordered, “ ATI SAPPHIRE X800GTO2 256MB GDDR3 PCI-E DVI TV-OUT VGA LITE RETAIL ” is in shortage and there is no ETA at this moment. We will hold the order at this moment, and if you wish to cancel the order, please call us back as soon as possible. Should you have any questions, please feel free to give us a call.

That pisses me off so much, I dont know if I am ever going to get this card:mad:

[mascaras]

buy the conect3D like me, not so expensive(209 euros) and good :toast:

[HousERaT]

it does appear that the the bulk of the Connect3D cards come with the 423 core which is fully moddable. I have yet to read about one that wasn't (which isn't saying much because I haven't been looking). :D

[Dr.D]

Yeah but its not the same! Arghhhhhhhh

[mascaras]

1 question , to do the MOD just need the flashrom and the bios moded wright??i see the original bios too , my friend just use the moded bios and flashroom and works why its the original bios needed???

[VTwedge]

i know that 423 modded =x800xt mascaras how do u think i modded my connect3d gto?!?!?!?!?! and i know u use a different bios too thats how i flashed mine.lol:)and u flash your own bios back so u can maintain the memory timings and the vivo functionality to answer your question.

[mascaras]

tnks :toast:

[mascaras]

but if you flash back again with original bios the card dont stay with the 12 pipes again????

[mascaras]

PS:new score of my friend and new cloks 573/600@zalman vf700 >>> http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gto70409gf.jpg :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Dynamic]

For the Connect3d X800 GTO you use the modded bios listed on the site and then reflash your original one that you back up earlier. You have to make sure you use the "-newbios" command when you flash with the mod and not use it when you flash back to your original, right guys? People been saying once you flash with -newbios with the modded and flash back to original w/o -newbios you are suppose to have 16pp instead of 12pp right guys? As of now, i'm waiting for my C3D GTO and that same Zalman your buddy has, so wish me luck when i get it i'll let you guys know what happened, okay.

How did everybody attempt the mod on their C3D GTO, by old or new method.....

Old method
4) after boot, type atiflash -s 0 c3dgto.bin - this will save ur current bios
5) type atiflash -f -p 0 (power color bios filename) -newbios - this will flash the powercolor bios
6) type atiflash -f -p 0 c3dgto.bin - this shall restore the old bios you saved previously
New method
4) after boot, type flashrom -s 0 c3dgto.bin - this will save ur current bios
5) flashrom -f -p 0 (modified c3d bios filename)

[Dynamic]

VTwedge,
Flashing back will maintain memory timings and vivo? I thought the timings for the X800XT was pretty much the same, since it uses the Samsung 2.0ns memory modules right? The vivo, i wouldn't know what to do with it, my first vivo card really. What is it for encoding/decoding, better quility picture on DVD? Anyhow i wanted to mention that if you're going to attempt the old method, try to use Flashrom since i've hear using the Atiflash will result in a black screen. Good luck and let the force be with you, :P

[nick255]

VTwedge,
Flashing back will maintain memory timings and vivo? I thought the timings for the X800XT was pretty much the same, since it uses the Samsung 2.0ns memory modules right? The vivo, i wouldn't know what to do with it, my first vivo card really. What is it for encoding/decoding, better quility picture on DVD? Anyhow i wanted to mention that if you're going to attempt the old method, try to use Flashrom since i've hear using the Atiflash will result in a black screen. Good luck and let the force be with you, :P

For the old method you really need ati flash as you need the -newbios option for thr 16 pipes. As long as you are flashing the right bios (powercolor x800 xt) then you should be okay.

The new method needs modded flashrom or you will get a black screen!

[blsnelling]

I read somewhere that the Sapphire X800GTO Fireblade was another moddable card. Can anyone verify this?

[Karmalicious]

C3D with modded BIOS. Never bothered changing back. Couldn't see the point. Running:
ASUS A8N-E - AMD Athlo64 3200+ @2,400 - 2x512 Kingston 3200 2.5CAS - C3D X800GTO 256 @520/565 - Seagate Barracuda 120Gb 8Mb

As you can see, my gfx card is at 520 Core and 565 memory and I use stock cooling. I ran the ATi Tool artifact scan for 15 minutes without any errors. It's about 45 degrees at idle and it hasn't gone over 75 degrees so far. Reached 75 in Black and White 2 and stayed there. Q4 at high settings reaches 64 degrees.

3dmark05:

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/5627/3dmark050510259hq.jpg

Still working on some tweaking.
I'm very happy. Payed about 187 euro/$220/£125 for it.

[mascaras]

hi guys my conect3d just arrive , go instal it and try make the MOD , then i post if the MOD its OK , wish me luck :D :D

[VTwedge]

used atiflash when i did my flashing 3 weeks ago:) saved the bios, flashed the powercolor x800xt bios with the newbios option and then flashed my old bios back, atitools immediately saw 16 pipelines after that rivatuner also, no need to reinstall the drivers it worked like a charm;)

[ShadowFlare]

VTwedge,
Flashing back will maintain memory timings and vivo? I thought the timings for the X800XT was pretty much the same, since it uses the Samsung 2.0ns memory modules right? The vivo, i wouldn't know what to do with it, my first vivo card really. What is it for encoding/decoding, better quility picture on DVD? Anyhow i wanted to mention that if you're going to attempt the old method, try to use Flashrom since i've hear using the Atiflash will result in a black screen. Good luck and let the force be with you, :P
Black screen when flashing with atiflash? Nah, I've never seen that and I've flashed several times each on 3 different types of cards using atiflash and on two of them using different bioses to attempt to unlock pipelines. The only thing that causes that is an incompatible bios and I have yet to find an X8xx series bios that is incompatible with cards having R480 chips. I've tried X800 GT, X800 XL, X800 XT (unsure if I tried this one, actually), X850 XT, and X850 XT PE; bioses from all those seem to work just fine on R480 chips. I'm not sure if it works the other way around, though; and from what I've heard, it probably doe