8800gs

[candle_86]

I got it, now lets OC it with stock cooling, is everyon ready, this is the 580M, i asked Wiz if he could get me a GPU-z that supported it, maybe a beta, but for right now i hope ntune screen is proof enough. Getting drivers for it now.

[candle_86]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/hdrv8/

here is the GPU-z report i had to redownload for some reason but now it works lol

[candle_86]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/2aacq/

its now a 680M hehe, who wants 3dmarks now?

[divinebaboon]

xfx 8800gs normal edition?is the fan as loud as ppl say it is?also,can you go past 800mhz ram clock?

[candle_86]

havnt tried yet, tring to find a way to add this card into rivatuner but have no idea how

[candle_86]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/6rk2x/

max stable OC, not to bad, 1400 to 1800mhz on the memory and 580 to 700 on the core with stock cooling, hits 79C full load

[candle_86]

http://service.futuremark.com/home.action;jsessionid=77485A4D93454EF164D44D8E9A6 C6F17

ouch i think my CPU is holding me back, damn sempron


and this is how i know it is
http://service.futuremark.com/home.action?resultId=1992903&resultType=14

[Titus]

Good purchase this XFX 8800 GS 580 :rockout:
The fan is realy loud ! But good performances : now, it's realy stable @ 710 ( core ) / 2000 ( memory ) and 1728 for the shader.
For the shaders, i took the list on the forum : ... 1512-1566-1620-1674-1728-1782-1836-1890-1944-1998-2052-2106 ...
I controled this frequency with PC Wizard 2008 : if i take less than 1728, it's recognized as 1674Mhz ;) there is a rule for these shaders.

My results for these frequencies ( with C2D E6750 stock and 1GB PC6400 G-Skill @4-4-4-12 ) :
- Aquamark 3 : 154.139 FPS ( GFX : 29889 pts / CPU : 15912 pts )
- 3D Mark 2005 : 16910
- 3D Mark 2006 : 10900

Max temp : 61°C ( fan @ 100% ).

All O/C realized with Riva Tuner v2.0.6 ( with modified line for G92 GPU ).
Frequencies control with GPU-Z 0.1.6 ( fully operational with my 8800 GS ).

Better scores are possible : I made 16939 ( 3DM05 ), 10997 ( 3DM06 ) and 154,354 FPS ( AM3 ) @720 ( core ) /2000 ( memory )/1800 ( shader ) but it runs bad on game ( freezes ).
EDIT : Drivers v. 169.32 for XP.

[candle_86]

its my sempron holding me back, but shoot me your moded rivatuner, cause i have no idea how to do that

[Tatty_One]

havnt tried yet, tring to find a way to add this card into rivatuner but have no idea how

Is it a G92? If so, GPU-Z will give you the device ID....last 4 digits, then just like the 8800GTS mod, go to Rivatuners Config file and add the line using the GS ID.

[candle_86]

where do i add it, the device id is 10DE-0606

[candle_86]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=4021893

grr, its the sempy it has to be

[candle_86]

what diffrent will an x2 4200 make, i just borrowed the money for one. Getting it in 30 minutes from the local shop for 65 bucks. Will it help alot or barly at all?

[Titus]

its my sempron holding me back, but shoot me your moded rivatuner, cause i have no idea how to do that

There's the moding operation :
Edit the file " rivatuner.cfg " with wordpad : change the line " G92 = 610h-61Fh " by " G92 = 600h-60Fh,610h-61Fh " , save and close.
Start Riva Tuner 2.06 and enjoy :D the 8800 GS is recognized ;)
As this, all G92 will be recognized.

[Titus]

what diffrent will an x2 4200 make, i just borrowed the money for one. Getting it in 30 minutes from the local shop for 65 bucks. Will it help alot or barly at all?

It will do a great difference : your GFX card will be better exploited.

[candle_86]

lol @ 720/1800/1800 my score jumped from 4816 to 4821, i do indeed belive a bottleneck is present lol

[Titus]

lol @ 720/1800/1800 my score jumped from 4816 to 4821, i do indeed belive a bottleneck is present lol

Have you disconnect vertical synchro in your drivers ? An error i made on my first O/C ( Ge Force 5600 ... 4 years ago :rolleyes: ).
Some top frequencies starting 8800 GS XXX version :
http://www.expreview.com/img/review/xfx8800gs/xfx88gsoc.jpg

Crazy :banghead:

For GPU fan speed, it's fixed on 100% ( 2 pins connector ). Riva Tuner does not modified this speed even if i heard a difference between 30% and 100% tunings.

[candle_86]

say what, vertical sync is off in drivers lol. I see it hit 70 some odd FPS in canyon flight once or twice lol

[Titus]

say what, vertical sync is off in drivers lol. I see it hit 70 some odd FPS in canyon flight once or twice lol

That's strange. The 8800 GS can burn scores with or without O/C.
My OS is XP Pro SP2 and the drivers are the 169.32, special made for 8800 GS.
There's no frequency limite for the core.
On the over hand, the 1.4ns memory chips ( 700 Mhz ) are a serious brake to O/C :mad: Impossible running stable @ more than 1000Mhz ( 2000 effective ) contrary to Samsung 1ns chips ( 1000Mhz ).
Loud fan is the over black point of the XFX. For O/C, the e-vga seems to be a better choice.
In France, i had no choice ( XFX standard or XXX version ).

[candle_86]

just got my x2 installed and windows installed the CPU gonna restart and run 06

[Titus]

:rockout::rockout::rockout:

Rock and roll !!

[candle_86]

4816 to 7840 just by replacing the sempron lol

[Titus]

4816 to 7840 just by replacing the sempron lol

Yeah :rockout:
So, a little O/C for your CPU to bring your score to 10800 3Dmarks :D
Put your drivers on " High performance " and the AA on " controled by application " to stop braking tunings.

What's your driver ?

[candle_86]

ok lol, well my board doesnt let me control voltage sadly, im gonna get a tforce later on lol

[Titus]

I have my response : http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/6rk2x/ :rolleyes:

Try my tunings : 710 (core )/1000 (mem )/ 1728 ( shader ).
in sprite no additionnal case fan, i've never up to 61°C :D

[candle_86]

mem max's at 1800 grrr

[Titus]

Try to slow down a little your core ( 700 or 710 ) and your Shader ( 1728 ;) ).
It will be run stable on benchies and on game with 2000 memory

[divinebaboon]

candle..you got the GS core cloc kabove 680?how did u do that?I thought the forceware driver limits the clock at 680..you have to tell me!

[hat]

What are temps like at stock and overclock settings?

[candle_86]

oced it hits 83C, not to bad because my case airflow sucks, thinking of putting my zalman on it

[candle_86]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/zschc/

hmm after its had a burn in ram goes to 1900

[Titus]

candle..you got the GS core cloc kabove 680?how did u do that?I thought the forceware driver limits the clock at 680..you have to tell me!

I don't know if it's the bios card or the drivers ( 169.32 for XP, idem Candle's ) but there's no GPU limit on these XFX :D

In stress, I up to 79°C in PC Wizard 2008 monitoring ... but alot less on GPU-Z sensor section :wtf:

[hat]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/zschc/

hmm after its had a burn in ram goes to 1900

DDR1900 or 1900MHz real? :wtf:

[candle_86]

i wish a real 1900mhz, id give an ultra a run for its money on bandiwth its 950x2 DDR :P

[candle_86]

I don't know if it's the bios card or the drivers ( 169.32 for XP, idem Candle's ) but there's no GPU limit on these XFX :D

In stress, I up to 79°C in PC Wizard 2008 monitoring ... but alot less on GPU-Z sensor section :wtf:

im not done yet, gonna get my voltmeter later on and start looking for my voltage control :D

[Titus]

DDR1900 or 1900MHz real? :wtf:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/zschc/
DDR950 so 1900 Mhz effective ;) not so bad for 1.4ns memry chips ( 700Mhz original specify ). Samsung 1.0ns chips start @ 1000Mhz ( 2000 effective ) and authorized better O/C

And the drivers does not limit GPU core frequency ... so no bios flashing necesary for this model : just boot ( auto mode ) Riva Tuner at OS booting.;)

[candle_86]

yea im suprised how well these ram chips do to be honest, i didnt expect much more than 1600 lol, but it just kept going higher

[Titus]

yea im suprised how well these ram chips do to be honest, i didnt expect much more than 1600 lol, but it just kept going higher

+1 :D:D:D
On my card, hat's 300 Mhz more ! ( 600 effective :twitch: ).
I doubt than Samsung chips accept 1300Mhz :confused:

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

anyone who has had a 7900GS ... would understand that GS's usually overclock better than GT's. My 7900GS was already overclocked and i got +60 MHz on the core and +230 Mhz on the memory ... and it was 1.4 ns memory

[wolf]

well there is less stuff active in the core to generate heat, so it makes sense they can run faster.

[Titus]

My other PC have a 7900 GS 512 Palit @ 7950 GT 512 frequencies ... and it run stable and quiet ( thanks to the big fan ! ).
I'll try to push it a little bit more.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

my 7900 can go to 610/940

[Titus]

_FBi;665147']my 7900 can go to 610/940

I'll try these parameters and bench before and after. ;)

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

btw thats with stock cooler :| and i live in the tropics ...

not to derail the thread but ill pm you the link to the X1950 vs 7900GS shootout thread, replete with 3dMark and Aquamark scores.

[wolf]

didn't the x1950 win that one? well i know it was tit for tat and very close, but all summed up i thought the x1950 was a smidgen faster.

[Titus]

_FBi;665154']btw thats with stock cooler :| and i live in the tropics ...

not to derail the thread but ill pm you the link to the X1950 vs 7900GS shootout thread, replete with 3dMark and Aquamark scores.

Thanks ;):)
A contest 7900 GS 512 VS 8800 GS 384 will be possible to do on my PC's ... but I'll must change drivers for 7900 GS ( an idea of version for XP ? ).

[wolf]

that will be interesting, current gen GS vs the older GS, id say probably double the 3dmark06' score. keep in mind you should test at default clocks and both at max oc.

[wolf]

also here i just found out you can get 2 asus GS's, the TOP and the normal, both with asus's cooler.

anyway the normal is at 550/1375/1600 and the TOP is at 600/1700/1800

guess what the price difference is.................10$ AUD......LOL, who WOULDNT get the TOP edition.

[snuif09]

dammn i want a 8800gs to its also afordable

how does it in games?

[wolf]

seems like between 3850-3870 territory, just below 8800GT

seems like the asus TOP edition with some extra ocing will really give a GT a run.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=39338

[candle_86]

i only get 13035 in 05 grrr

[Titus]

New benchies @ 710/1000/1728 :
- 35411 3D marks 03
- 16877 3D Marks 05
- 10908 3D Marks 06
- 154.281 FPS @ Aquamark 3 ( 29.922 GPU, 15.918 CPU ).

XP pro SP2 / drivers 169.32 / max 72°C full stress ( no more fan in case, just PSU/CPU/GFX ).

[snuif09]

candle are you getting good FPS in games??

[candle_86]

yea

Medal of Honor Airborne 12x10 maxed everything 43fps average

Crysis 10x7 high 35fps average

Call of Duty 2 12x10 maxed 64fps Average

CSS 12x10 16xQAA, 16xAF High everything 150fps average

[candle_86]

only 85k in AM3, what am i doing wrong grr a 6800 can get more points

[divinebaboon]

Does anybody have teh asus 8800GS?I wonder if it has the same limit as the EVGA..or it is free like the XFX...

[candle_86]

lol :D

[candle_86]

hey where can you buy ram modules whole sale, i noticed the pads ect are still on my PCB to support 2 more rams and the traces and such are there also, im thinking of sodering two extra memory chips on my card if i can find some of the same spec, but just need 2 lol. Plus its BGA so it should attach easily enough, but i will save enough money to replace the card should i fail

[wolf]

yeah iunno about that, ima go ahead and predict fail. no offense, but it sounds a bit out of the ball park

[candle_86]

well everyone else does vmods ill do a mem size mod and be special :D

[wolf]

don't get me wrong i wish you the best of luck dude, so your gonna try turn it into a 768 meg? man that'll rock if it works, then all you'll need is a 768 bios methinks.

i guess you have to figure out where to buy the ram chips from tho....

[erocker]

hey where can you buy ram modules whole sale, i noticed the pads ect are still on my PCB to support 2 more rams and the traces and such are there also, im thinking of sodering two extra memory chips on my card if i can find some of the same spec, but just need 2 lol. Plus its BGA so it should attach easily enough, but i will save enough money to replace the card should i fail

I think if you look up the numbers on the memory chips you should be able to find them. Good luck, let us know how it goes! :toast:

[candle_86]

don't get me wrong i wish you the best of luck dude, so your gonna try turn it into a 768 meg? man that'll rock if it works, then all you'll need is a 768 bios methinks.

i guess you have to figure out where to buy the ram chips from tho....

no a 512mb soder 2 chips where its missing to give me a 256bit 512mb 8800GS lol

and ill try in april and let yall know, if it works maybe ill offer premodded GS's lol

[wolf]

noice

[candle_86]

i think its 192bit just so it wont affect 9600GT launch badly, if it was 256bit we would prolly see it stomping the 9600GT thanks to 32 more shaders

[Titus]

A shot of my desk with infos :
http://www.korti.info/images/bench/desk-web.jpg

A full def pisture is avalable here : http://www.korti.info/images/bench/desk-full.jpg

[Titus]

I saw that i forget to valid 1728 MHz for the shaders at OS start :banghead:
What a noob am i :o
That 's better as this :
http://www.korti.info/images/bench/gpu-z.jpg

[trt740]

mines at 705/956/1743 now and the fan isn't crazy loud but you can hear it. I have a dual orb on the way and my temps with the stock cooler never exceed 56c. If the fan were more silent this cooler would be fantastic it is solid copper all the way thru.

[Titus]

mines at 705/956/1743 now and the fan isn't crazy loud but you can hear it. I have a dual orb on the way and my temps with the stock cooler never exceed 56c. If the fan were more silent this cooler would be fantastic it is solid copper all the way thru.

What prog do you use to catch temp info ?
If you use GPU-Z, the infos are false. Use a prog as HW monitor and run gaming or big stress progs.
HW keep the max temp info in memory ;)

New benches done @ good shader freq ( 1728, not 1674 ).
All scores burned :D :
- 34416 3DM03
- 16890 3DM05
- 10923 3DM06
- 154.350 AM3

[trt740]

What prog do you use to catch temp info ?
If you use GPU-Z, the infos are false. Use a prog as HW monitor and run gaming or big stress progs.
HW keep the max temp info in memory ;)

New benches done @ good shader freq ( 1728, not 1674 ).
All scores burned :D :
- 34416 3DM03
- 16890 3DM05
- 10923 3DM06
- 154.350 AM3

nothing stresses a gpu like ati tool artifacting tool and it has a temp monitor. I set the clocks with riva and stress test with ATI tools. Try it , it's a bitch on a GPU. Stesses the hell out of them.

[Titus]

OK, thanks for info ;)

GPU-Z give me 8 to 10°C less than all over progs. High temps are neer other forumer's ones.
I'm @75°C max.

[trt740]

OK, thanks for info ;)

GPU-Z give me 8 to 10°C less than all over progs. High temps are neer other forumer's ones.
I'm @75°C max.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080220/8800gs.jpg

My memory will go alot higher and I have already broken 13,000. That was my first run.

[Titus]

Nice score :respect::respect::respect:

I've to buy a new PSU and a new CPU cooler to O/C it :D
It may increase 3DM06 score and my confort on game.

[candle_86]

Zalman VF-700 AlCu works

[candle_86]

more newegg noobs are positng

Pros: to the guy who said this card easily blows away the ati 3870 you need your head examined with the right drivers the ati 3870 blows 2 of these cards in sli away, i have said setup in both of my pcs, (3870 in one, 2 8800 gs in another) the ati card gets 400+ fps and the 8800 run at around 200 not bad cards for the money just make sure you actually know what the card your bashing does before you belittle it :) thankyou
Cons: none
Other Thoughts: none

[Titus]

This afternoon i push my E6750@ 2.8GHz ( 350 FSB, HT 1400 ... memory @840 ) and the scores blow up !
- 161.612 AM3 ( 31.239 GFX, 16740 CPU ).
- 35843 3DM03
- 17592 3DM05
- 11212 3DM06

The 8800 series are dependent on CPU powa :eek:

[candle_86]

yes we knew that, the CPU is a major bottleneck to this things

[Titus]

Yet the E6750 is not a bad horse !
It's strange to see how much a so little CPU O/C ( just 140MHz ! ) could change scores.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

i ren my 6400 @ 3.2 when i bench ...

[Titus]

I run @ 3.2GHz too since 1 hour :toast:
I was on " 1T " for memory in bios ... so no boot :o

Amazing evolution ! :eek:

[echostrike]

its also amazing how much l2 cache factors in as i got a higher clock on my card than titus but he still beats me b/c im running a 1mb l2 cahce 2180 and hes running a 6750.


if only i had my 8400 back!!! hahaa

[echostrike]

Wow candle--just read your newegg post and that guy is an e-tard or something???

I actually had a 3870 before i got the 8800gs
Heres the score (in a better water cooler rig i sold) (and yes the 3870 IS o/c'd here)


3dmark06 -- 10805
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4160444



And here is my 8800gs in a lesser rig, and overclocked

3dmark06 -- 10227
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5350486


I dont call 578 points ownage!!!! and thats just against 1 8800gs.
Also, I paid $219 + shipping for my 3870 (great deal the day it came out), and I recently bought my 8800gs for 149 shipped.

I would venture the 8800GS to be the better value....and I really liked that 3870--so that says a lot!!!!


***Although look at how the 3870 pwn's the 8800gs in sm3 scores!!!! thats pretty amazing.

[candle_86]

yea, im thinking of saving up for another 8800GS once i get my new SLI AM2 board and yes im gonna oc to at least 3ghz

[lie495s14]

guys i can't oc my xfx 8800gs ram much at all. the graph starts corrupting at 1500mhz(*750mhz ^^). any tips ? :D

[Titus]

guys i can't oc my xfx 8800gs ram much at all. the graph starts corrupting at 1500mhz. any tips ? :D
:eek:
This is a so little up for youm mem ( 750MHz ) exept if you want to say 1500MHz, 3GHz effective :twitch:
Lucky guy if it's second choice :roll:

Mine is 1000Mhz / 2000 effective. Some ones are up !
Which drivers run ?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Wow candle--just read your newegg post and that guy is an e-tard or something???

I actually had a 3870 before i got the 8800gs
Heres the score (in a better water cooler rig i sold) (and yes the 3870 IS o/c'd here)


3dmark06 -- 10805
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4160444



And here is my 8800gs in a lesser rig, and overclocked

3dmark06 -- 10227
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5350486


I dont call 578 points ownage!!!! and thats just against 1 8800gs.
Also, I paid $219 + shipping for my 3870 (great deal the day it came out), and I recently bought my 8800gs for 149 shipped.

I would venture the 8800GS to be the better value....and I really liked that 3870--so that says a lot!!!!


***Although look at how the 3870 pwn's the 8800gs in sm3 scores!!!! thats pretty amazing.

what cooler do u use?

[echostrike]

I am using an accelero s1 (rev. 1) with shin etsu x23 paste (i had some lying around) with 2 x 92mm fans attached.

this cooler (although somewhat ugly I will admit) is amazing. I have yet to see temps go beyond 45 C while stress testing (oc'd) and is absolutley silent.



look at the 9000gt/8800gs oc thread post #33 for pics.

[Paulieg]

There's the moding operation :
Edit the file " rivatuner.cfg " with wordpad : change the line " G92 = 610h-61Fh " by " G92 = 600h-60Fh,610h-61Fh " , save and close.
Start Riva Tuner 2.06 and enjoy :D the 8800 GS is recognized ;)
As this, all G92 will be recognized.

Really not trying to steal a thread here, but I had to ask..Just out of curiosity, will rivatuner work with my 9600GT if I do the same, but replace "G92" with "G94"?

[trt740]

Just bought a Thermaltake Dual Orb and strapped it to my 8800gs after adding MX2 to the GPU die. I had one on a 8800gt and forgot just how beautiful a device it is, it looks like something Zalman would make and in addition to that is a very very good cooler and near silent. It is not as good as a Accelero s1but close and is a single slot solution plus is fantasic looking , solid copper with a blue led , plus it comes with about every trype of mosfit / ram heatsink you could think of( they are small but well made). It kills a Zalman VF900 performance wise, looks better and cost the same or less. I will post some temps so far looks like about a 20 degree drop from stock cooling. Seem to dramatically increasing my overclocked 24/7 clock look out. example my ram is up to ddrr 2000 24/7 stable thats not benching but 24/7 stable up from ddr 1400. I haven't seem a temp over 43c yet with ati artifacting gpu stessing tool. I'm stunned with the results and might break 14000 or near. If you put an Accelerro s1 , Thermalright HR-03 GT, or water on this bad boy Wow!! it would be unreal.

[trt740]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080222/8800gs170.jpg

[Paulieg]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080222/8800gs170.jpg

Looking good Tom..:toast:

[trt740]

Looking good Tom..:toast:

That beat all the 8800 gts 640mb but yours and it is gonna go higher I might be able to sqeak past you. This cooler looks super good against this XFX black PCB. For some reason this card runs a bunch cooler under load than my old 8800 gt 512mb did with this cooler. Might be because of the less shaders.

[trt740]

Looking good Tom..:toast:

You know I love ya like a brother but I gotta say it your a DXXK head now LOL :laugh:











just kidding my buddy Paul a mod great for you and great for TPU they got a good man:laugh:

[Paulieg]

You know I love ya like a brother but I gotta say it your a DXXK head now LOL :laugh:











just kidding my buddy Paul a mod great for you and great for TPU they got a good man:laugh:

Better watch it Tom, I may need to :slap:. Just kidding man, and thanks.

[Paulieg]

That beat all the 8800 gts 640mb but yours and it is gonna go higher I might be able to sqeak past you. This cooler looks super good against this XFX black PCB. For some reason this card runs a bunch cooler under load than my old 8800 gt 512mb did with this cooler. Might be because of the less shaders.

The 8800gs and 9600GT may end up being the best price/performance cards ever. Yeah, I keep hearing the 9600GT also runs quite cool under load. Can't wait until I get mine. We'll have to do some head to head comparisons with similar settings.

[Paulieg]

more newegg noobs are positng

:laugh::laugh:

[Titus]

Really not trying to steal a thread here, but I had to ask..Just out of curiosity, will rivatuner work with my 9600GT if I do the same, but replace "G92" with "G94"?

Solaris may reply you ;)
I'll church on web theline to put in CFG file ;)

[wolf]

9600GT = More ROPS, Less Shaders, More Memory, Higher memory bus, Higher clock speeds.
8800GS = Less ROPS, More Shaders, Less Memory, Lower memory bus, Lower clock speeds.
---------- 16 > 12 ---- 64 < 96 ----- 512 > 384 ---- 256 > 192 ----- 650/1625 > 550/1375

so imo its 9600GT ftw. having said that the 8800GS seems to be a match in reality, but not on paper. in a year or so if people still use them we'll see what comes in more handy.

[Titus]

so imo its 9600GT ftw. having said that the 8800GS seems to be a match in reality, but not on paper. in a year or so if people still use them we'll see what comes in more handy.

The 9600GT is a full effective card which results are certainly more homogeneous than 8800GS, especialy in O/C capacity.
When a forumer said " my 9600 Gt runs @ XXX " you can hope same results for yours.
Whena forumer said " my 8800 GS runs @ XXX " you desperately hope yours run as this :laugh: It's a lottery.

[trt740]

9600GT = More ROPS, Less Shaders, More Memory, Higher memory bus, Higher clock speeds.
8800GS = Less ROPS, More Shaders, Less Memory, Lower memory bus, Lower clock speeds.
---------- 16 > 12 ---- 64 < 96 ----- 512 > 384 ---- 256 > 192 ----- 650/1625 > 550/1375

so imo its 9600GT ftw. having said that the 8800GS seems to be a match in reality, but not on paper. in a year or so if people still use them we'll see what comes in more handy.

You forgot the 8800gs has more on chip transitors, millions more, 249 million to be exact ( making it's Gpu much more powerful than the 9600 gt),and 32 more shaders, not just a few more, a third more. To slow it down they lessened the bus speed to 192bit and cut it's memory or basically it would be a 8800 gt. They are gonna make one with 768 mb of ram and it will kill a 9600 gt 512mb.

[Titus]

That's may be fun a 8800GS with a flashed bios edited @ 384bit mem bus :):):)

But i didn't found this option even in NiBiTor V3.8 ( today released ;) ).

[Solaris17]

it cant be done via nibitor....the bus is physical.

[Titus]

it cant be done via nibitor....the bus is physical.

;) THX

[lie495s14]

i have either bad ram or voltage is hardware limited. so anybody see the pencil vmod coming ?

[wolf]

You forgot the 8800gs has more on chip transitors, millions more, 249 million to be exact ( making it's Gpu much more powerful than the 9600 gt),and 32 more shaders, not just a few more, a third more. To slow it down they lessened the bus speed to 192bit and cut it's memory or basically it would be a 8800 gt. They are gonna make one with 768 mb of ram and it will kill a 9600 gt 512mb.

it would appear at least for the moment ROPS and clockspeeds impact performance more, and sure its 50% more shaders, but the 8800GT has even more than that and the 9600 is shown to only trail it by a tiny margin in benchies....

[lie495s14]

9600GT = More ROPS, Less Shaders, More Memory, Higher memory bus, Higher clock speeds.
8800GS = Less ROPS, More Shaders, Less Memory, Lower memory bus, Lower clock speeds.
---------- 16 > 12 ---- 64 < 96 ----- 512 > 384 ---- 256 > 192 ----- 650/1625 > 550/1375

so imo its 9600GT ftw. having said that the 8800GS seems to be a match in reality, but not on paper. in a year or so if people still use them we'll see what comes in more handy.

8800GS = .... .... .... .... Cost less.

($140)

[wolf]

the price of the 9600GT will settle to lower than it is atm i can tell you that.

but a valid point, if you went out today looking for a midrange card in that price range, it'd be a tough call.

also im pretty sure the 9600GT is a new (albeit G9x) core, and is not made of the G92 cores that didnt make the cut in being 8800 G92's.

maybe they just took the defective G92's and the defective G80 memory subsystem and chopped then in twain to make us a cheapo gfx card for the meantime.

and price aside its still 9600GT imo.

[trt740]

it would appear at least for the moment ROPS and clockspeeds impact performance more, and sure its 50% more shaders, but the 8800GT has even more than that and the 9600 is shown to only trail it by a tiny margin in benchies....

if that were true the 8800 gts 640 would be faster than the 8800 gts 512mb because it has 20 ropes , but it's not the shaders are the most important item, The 8800 gts 512mb has more and they are faster and has more transistors on it's gpu than the 800 gts 640 mb making the 800 gts 512 alot faster. The most important thing is how much you can overclock the 9600 gt to overcome these things.

[Titus]

I went reading a news on 9600GT release in France.
How i said earlyer, the 9600 serie isn'nt a real brand new core.
It's based around G92 capacities ( PCI-E 2, ... ) and it's optimized for new multimedias needs as BR and HD-DVP ( RIP :cry: ) playing rules ( H264 and VC1 full compatibility ), Pure Video 2 etc ...

The G100 will be a real brand new core with better arguments ( 512bit bus ... :eek: ).9600GT is a full effective midrange card, the 8800GS a castrated high end card ...

[trt740]

I went reading a news on 9600GT release in France.
How i said earlyer, the 9600 serie isn'nt a real brand new core.
It's based around G92 capacities ( PCI-E 2, ... ) and it's optimized for new multimedias needs as BR and HD-DVP ( RIP :cry: ) playing rules ( H264 and VC1 full compatibility ), Pure Video 2 etc ...

The G100 will be a real brand new core with better arguments ( 512bit bus ... :eek: ).9600GT is a full effective midrange card, the 8800GS a castrated high end card ...

no one could just as easly say the 9600 gt is under powered , has too few shaders and it's gpu is a hacked and underpowered version /of the G92 core. I wouldn't say that but following your line of thought one could.

[trt740]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080225/clocks.jpg

[trt740]

Oh as a aside my 8800gs dropped 10.00 since I bought it 5 days ago to 149.00 shippped and now comes with a free 4gb jump drive. I emailed new egg they credited me 10.00 and are sending me the jump drive ya gotta love newegg.

[wolf]

if that were true the 8800 gts 640 would be faster than the 8800 gts 512mb because it has 20 ropes , but it's not the shaders are the most important item, The 8800 gts 512mb has more and they are faster and has more transistors on it's gpu than the 800 gts 640 mb making the 800 gts 512 alot faster. The most important thing is how much you can overclock the 9600 gt to overcome these things.

i still disagree, you have to keep in mind the clock speed differences when you compare cards, lets take your example the two GTS's

the G80GTS was clocked at 500 core and 1200 shaders
the G92GTS is clocked at 650 core and 1625 shaders

the core clocks x ROPS gives the new GTS a slight edge in pixel fillrate,

500mhz x 20 ROPS = 10.0 Gigapixels
650mhz x 16 ROPS = 10.4 Gigapixels

but like the 8600 series it can address 8 textures per clock, up from 4 in the G80, so it has a massive texturing edge. (~40 gigapixels as oppose to ~12)

so the 8800GS may have more texturing ability, but in terms of sheer pixel fillrate, which is where the bulk of your fps and AA grunt come from, the 9600GT is winnar.

8800GS = 550mhz x 12 ROPS = 6.6 Gigapixels
9600GT = 650mhz x 16 ROPS = 10.4 Gigapixels

[trt740]

i still disagree, you have to keep in mind the clock speed differences when you compare cards, lets take your example the two GTS's

the G80GTS was clocked at 500 core and 1200 shaders
the G92GTS is clocked at 650 core and 1625 shaders

the core clocks x ROPS gives the new GTS a slight edge in pixel fillrate,

500mhz x 20 ROPS = 10.0 Gigapixels
650mhz x 16 ROPS = 10.4 Gigapixels

but like the 8600 series it can address 8 textures per clock, up from 4 in the G80, so it has a massive texturing edge. (~40 gigapixels as oppose to ~12)

so the 8800GS may have more texturing ability, but in terms of sheer pixel fillrate, which is where the bulk of your fps and AA grunt come from, the 9600GT is winnar.

8800GS = 550mhz x 12 ROPS = 6.6 Gigapixels
9600GT = 650mhz x 16 ROPS = 10.4 Gigapixels

no your wrong the 9600 gt will not outperform a 8800 gs they will perform the same when you turn on the eye candy the 8800 gs will pull away when both are overclocked to the max potential.
Your looking at defaults my 8800 gs when overclocked will do 715/1750/2000 24/7
and there are many 8800gs that come stock at 680/1700/1600 that have a higher fill rate then your listed 9600gt. These cards are ment to run neck and neck. my card is also a lower end 8800 gs there are several running faster with better ram.

[Solaris17]

no your wrong the 9600 gt will not outperform a 8800 gs they will perform the same when you turn on the eye candy the 8800 gs will pull away when both are overclocked to the max potential.
Your looking at defaults my 8800 gs when overclocked will do 715/1750/2000 24/7
and there are many 8800gs that come stock at 680/1700/1600 that have a higher fill rate then your listed 9600gt. These cards are ment to run neck and neck. my card is also a lower end 8800 gs there are several running faster with better ram.

you dont even know that for sure your basing what you know off of my card and probably other cards at sites were they dont know what their doing...

[candle_86]

the 9600GT is 12 rops yall, what are you aruguing about

[trt740]

you dont even know that for sure your basing what you know off of my card and probably other cards at sites were they dont know what their doing...

I think wizzard know whats hes doing and has tested both cards and says the 8800gs is the better deal at the current time. He also indicates the performence of both cards are similar. If some one can actually show me a test that shows a difference in performance when overclocked. I will return this card and buy a 9600 gt.

[Paulieg]

Wow, why all of the bickering about this guys? There are too few people who have the 9600GT, so there is no real "sample group". I'll have my 9600GT tomorrow night. Once more people have both of these cards, we should start a "3dmark06 9600GT vs. 8800GS" thread, which should give us an idea which is the better card.

[trt740]

Wow, why all of the bickering about this guys? There are too few people who have the 9600GT, so there is no real "sample group". I'll have my 9600GT tomorrow night. Once more people have both of these cards, we should start a "3dmark06 9600GT vs. 8800GS" thread, which should give us an idea which is the better card.

thats just it neither is better

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Wow, why all of the bickering about this guys? There are too few people who have the 9600GT, so there is no real "sample group". I'll have my 9600GT tomorrow night. Once more people have both of these cards, we should start a "3dmark06 9600GT vs. 8800GS" thread, which should give us an idea which is the better card.


and a lot of ppl have the 8800GS?

[Titus]

no one could just as easly say the 9600 gt is under powered , has too few shaders and it's gpu is a hacked and underpowered version /of the G92 core. I wouldn't say that but following your line of thought one could.

I wanted to say that the G94 is not a brand new core as we ould see with generations before. The G94 starts from a G92 architecture and adds some improvements ( better HD comatibility for BR and HD-DVD play back ). I never wanted saying the 9600GT was an unpowered card, just a powerfull card, contrary to 8800GS which are slown cards.
The 9600GT has less shaders etc... but has a better memory bus and takes on board more memory for a similar price as 8800 GS ( same price in France;) ).
With a nice core as the G94, the 9600Gt is a real great card.
The 8800GS is a good card too but its " repacked deficients G92 " status does'nt let me an homogeneity in results : too much disparities in results ( in O/C essentially ).

I hope G94 will reserve us great new cards :D

[trt740]

I wanted to say that the G94 is not a brand new core as we ould see with generations before. The G94 starts from a G92 architecture and adds some improvements ( better HD comatibility for BR and HD-DVD play back ). I never wanted saying the 9600GT was an unpowered card, just a powerfull card, contrary to 8800GS which are slown cards.
The 9600GT has less shaders etc... but has a better memory bus and takes on board more memory for a similar price

no the G94 is a revised version of a G92 even the new 9800 will not use that core it is designed for the lower end geforce cards. The 8800 gs core was ment for the higher end cards.

[Titus]

no the G94 is a revised version of a G92 even the new 9800 will not use that core it is designed for the lower end geforce cards. The 8800 gs core was ment for the higher end cards.

Yes, that what i wanted to say : not a brand new core for the 9600GT and and slown top core for the 8800GS ;)
The 9800GX² uses G92 cores : it's realy not a new core, just a dual 8800GT card. So the HD multimedia enhancement isn't integrated :ohwell:

Wait and see the G100 :D

[divinebaboon]

You forgot the 8800gs has more on chip transitors, millions more, 249 million to be exact ( making it's Gpu much more powerful than the 9600 gt),and 32 more shaders, not just a few more, a third more. To slow it down they lessened the bus speed to 192bit and cut it's memory or basically it would be a 8800 gt. They are gonna make one with 768 mb of ram and it will kill a 9600 gt 512mb.
Um did you say KILL?

Benchie of 768MB 8800GS vs 9600GT
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12478&d=1203985570

The 9600GT performed bit better than the 8800GS 786MB on high res high AA 3dmark 06 and Half life 2,while 8800GS 786MB performs 10% better on bioshock and 16%ish better on Crysis. I wouldn't say KILL...really.

[Paulieg]

_FBi;676350']and a lot of ppl have the 8800GS?

LOL, just a few more owners than the 9600GT, since the 8800gs was released earlier.

[divinebaboon]

The only 8800GS that can be bought in the US is the XFX versions though,which people dislike because of the loud fan and crappy memory. So I don't know if the people with 8800GS still outnumber the 9600GT.(I bought mine from clubit last week,should be getting here on friday)

I think wizzard know whats hes doing and has tested both cards and says the 8800gs is the better deal at the current time. He also indicates the performence of both cards are similar. If some one can actually show me a test that shows a difference in performance when overclocked. I will return this card and buy a 9600 gt.

http://i2.techpowerup.com/reviews/Biostar/GeForce_9600_GT/images/perfrel.gif

As you can see at stock the 9600GT beats the 8800GS 386MB by 13%
Now if you throw in Overclocking it's a different story. The guy at expreview can manage to get their 9600GT up to stable clocks at
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3496/9600gtoc1sov2.jpg

On the otherhand. the 8800GS XFX XXX version they had can only go up to stable clocks at
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1741/xfx88gsocmh5.jpg



says the 8800gs is the better deal at the current time.


And we're just talking about a performance between the 8800GS and the 9600GT here, not "which one is a better deal" of course 8800GS is a better deal than 9600GT, same way that 8800GTS 512MB is a "better deal" than a 8800GTX 768MB. Slightly lower performance at cheaper price.

[trt740]

show me it's better when both are overclocked with the same cpu or similar. Then I will get a 9600 gt and a 8800 gts is faster than a 8800 gtx when both are overclocked at max speeds at every resolution any person would ever use. Thats not a good example.

[xdreamer]

Greetings from Finland. I bought the Asus EN8800GS - non-TOP version because it was 10% cheaper than the Top-version. Memory is Hynix 1.1ns. The memory maxes out already at around 872Mhz. Core maxes around 710mhz. Combined max clocks are 692/1730/870mem (Ati-tool stable clocks). Perhaps there's some voltage or memory latency thing in the bios & the clocks are thus a bit on the low side.

For 24/7 i use a conservative setting 668/860/1670, it's just a personal preference to leave a 15-20mhz room in the ati-tool stable overclocks. This setting gives

10388 3dmarks2006 1280x1024

on a Core 2d e6550 @ 3Ghz, Asus p5k-e, 2x1Gb dual-channel, xp

Maybe i would have 200mhz more memory speeds and 3-5% speed increase with the overclocked Asus Top- version. But this is a great card for the
money.I hope there was a 2D/3d profile setting in Rivatuner but for some reason setting profiles don't work. I have
to use same clocks for 2d. No fan speed settings either. Hope these issues get fixed with newer Nvidia driver versions. A great upgrade from a 7900 Gs. Twice as fast. Great card

Cheers,

- xd.

[candle_86]

was a big step for me lol. I had an 8600GT DDR2 for a week but didnt do much with the thing that we the week i did 70+ hours at work also lol. So it was like going from a 6600GT to an 8800GS in most of my games and was jaw dropping for me. I still miss my 8800GTS 512 but this will do for now

[divinebaboon]

Candle did you say "big step"?speaking of big steps...
My current Dell is using a FX5200 128MB.....hehe
The 9600GT wil lbe a huge step for me lol

[wolf]

was a big step for me lol. I had an 8600GT DDR2 for a week but didnt do much with the thing that we the week i did 70+ hours at work also lol. So it was like going from a 6600GT to an 8800GS in most of my games and was jaw dropping for me. I still miss my 8800GTS 512 but this will do for now

wait, ive missed something, what happened to your GTS?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

anyone notice 8800gs's are 129 after MIR

[divinebaboon]

_FBi;680535']anyone notice 8800gs's are 129 after MIR
by 8800gs's you mean the XFX normal version,right?
There's aren't any other $129 8800GS from what I can see.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

yes ... im so sorry im not lving in the us now ...

[candle_86]

lol if you want, you can order one and ill ship it your way if ya care to pay the costs to ship it to ya.

[trt740]

just flashed my 580 XFX 8800gs to the 680 version bios and of course the cards are exactly the same so it works it boots and runs at 680/1700/1800 no problems. Update the XFX XXX version bios I flashed is letting my 8800gs overclock higher than the 580 bios.

[candle_86]

the 680 bios oc's higher?

[trt740]

yes not sure why but a slight bit in my case.

[isox]

If you can flash the bios of the 8800gs with another type of bios, then wouldn't it be feasible to flash the 8800gs with a 8800gt bios or any other bios for that matter so that the clocks can go higher?

[candle_86]

no tried that

[trt740]

If you can flash the bios of the 8800gs with another type of bios, then wouldn't it be feasible to flash the 8800gs with a 8800gt bios or any other bios for that matter so that the clocks can go higher?

was thinking about that myself someone post a 8800 gt bios and I will try it but it might kill the card, it has less shader than a true 8800 gt. I also uppped the voltage, with a bios flash, to 8800 gts levels ,the Gpus are the same it should help but it didn't these cards have something done to the bios or drivers thats limiting them. The core should hit 800 Mhz no problem. Still for 129.00 , a free 4gb flash drive, and free shipping for 129.00 thats unreal. It is faster than a 7900 gtx and very close to a all the floowing cards 9600 gt , 8800 gts 640, 8800 gt , 3870, 3850 etc and cheaper. I think in shader intense games it will shine more .

[trt740]

no tried that

Your clocks did you test them with Ati tool artifacting test if so post a screen shot because I don't believe it doesn't artifact at those levels. Prove me wrong.:)

[isox]

trt i got you a evga 8800gt bios ftp://ftp.evga.com/bios/N801%20Update%201.2.zip

[trt740]

trt i got you a evga 8800gt bios ftp://ftp.evga.com/bios/N801%20Update%201.2.zip

Okay will try it tonight no time now but later I will.

[candle_86]

Your clocks did you test them with Ati tool artifacting test if so post a screen shot because I don't believe it doesn't artifact at those levels. Prove me wrong.:)

not it reported wrong, Nvidia drivers didnt recognize it, had to force driver install and to top it off i had 6 rops and my 06 score was like 4000. I advise agasint this.

Also there is no way to unlock the shaders as the bios flash left me with 96sp still, so youd do better to vmod and oc it, as nothing unlocks.

[Kenshai]

I have one of these in the mail and out of curiosity the Zalman VF700 that comes with the XFX 8600gt will fit on here now problem correct? If so I am assuming it would be better cooling and run quieter than the XFX cooler that according to reviews is obnoxious.
XFX 8600GT (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814150258)
At least it looks like a VF700

Edit: I imagine if that 8600gt cooler will fit on the 8800gs then the 8800 would fit on the 8600? Sometimes it's not best to assume so any heads up would be appreciated.

[wolf]

is is a VF 700 i have owned 4 XFX 8600GT's and they all came with teh VF 700, and yes it runs cooler and quieter than a stocko 8600 cooler, but it takes up 2 slots.

as to whether you can take it off and mount it on a 8800 series card, i dont know.... but for an 8800 you might want to consider something with more cooling ability than the VF 700, especially because its the completely aluminum version.

[Kenshai]

As a price point would you go with that Thermaltake Dual Orb mentioned earlier or go with the Zalman VF900? Both are around the same price after shipping and rebate on the egg. I'm guessing they preform similar.

[wolf]

i believe the duorb is a little better, but im pretty sure the accelero S1 can be had cheaper and if you jsut point a fan at it itll cooler much better than the thermaltake or the zalman.

however i have almost always bought and used zalman aftermarket coolers on gfx cards and i dont have a bad word to say about them. (VF 1000 ROCKS!!)

[Titus]

The VF900 fits very nice on the 8800 GS.

I've put it on my card : http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=54236

[candle_86]

well my VF-700 is the Copper Aluminum one, but it does a great job at keeping it cool

[wolf]

hey candle, what does the 1836-2007 mean in your sig?

[Kenshai]

I ordered a VF900 thanks for the help guys.

[candle_86]

hey candle, what does the 1836-2007 mean in your sig?

Well i made the sig last year, and 1836 is the year Texas won independance

[wolf]

Well i made the sig last year, and 1836 is the year Texas won independance

as good a reason as any :cool:

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

anyone got an evga?

[Saakki]

add 30-40 bucks here in finland u get 8800 GT ..but maybe its still a good buy if its highly clockable..!?

[trt740]

add 30-40 bucks here in finland u get 8800 GT ..but maybe its still a good buy if its highly clockable..!?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150275

[Saakki]

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=28947

vs

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=28744

[Titus]

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=28947

vs

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=28744

And the winner is ? :D

The 8800GT 512 is sold 179€ in France ! The 8800GS becomes less interesting this way ;)

I think i'll buy one 8800 GT 512 soon or a 8800 GTS 512 when price will drop.

[isox]

I can't believe your giving up on the 8800gs titus...:shadedshu

[Titus]

I can't believe your giving up on the 8800gs titus...:shadedshu

I'm lucky with that card.
I could bench it with 3D Mark 06 this morning @ 735/1010/1810. The score is 12084.
I ran just after on 05 version @ 20558 points but when i wanted to bench it on aquamark 3, my rig froze :cry: ... bad hope.

But I can run 100% stable @ 730/1000/1782 what is not bad for an XFX 8800 GS ( crapy memory ).
Some pics of my lasts scores :
AM3 @ max stable frequencies ( max score 188.707 )
http://www.korti.info/images/bench/188_am3_stable.jpg

3DM03 @ 730/1010/1836 :
http://www.korti.info/images/bench/37451_3dm03.jpg

3DM05 @ 735/1010/1810 :
http://www.korti.info/images/bench/20558_3dm05.jpeg

3DM06 @ 735/1010/1810 :
http://www.korti.info/images/bench/12084_3dm06_max.jpg

Some parameters on my rig may be wrong : a forumer with a similar rig, a little less O/C ( CPU & GFX ) shot 12700 3DM06 :twitch:

[isox]

those forumers use the illegally downloaded version, and changed their resolution to 640x480

[Titus]

Ah ok.
Mine is the free version.

For my runs, i disconnect my virus scan and my web-link ... minimum cpu loading ( so low gain but some differents in results ). ;)

I saw that a lot of people on this forum uses the 3DM06 pro version ... I think that's often illegal versions.
Why not using free version ... no cheat like this :cool: ... and we could have the same version to compare.

[isox]

I agree. :toast:

[Solaris17]

i have pro...but i can select which tests to run and at what res so i dont see how it isnt fair..id shoot myself if i ran a test at 640/480 and tried to compari a score id call myself a tool.

[Titus]

What's better on the pro version is the possibility to run only the GFX tests. The CPU score doen't interfere in final results.
If we could have the same version, we could bench the only card and not all our rigs.
Compare SM2 and HDR/SM3 may be an option.

[Solaris17]

want me to run a test?

[Titus]

want me to run a test?

Nice way to compare 8800 GS and 9600 GT o/C versions ;)
I run my 3DM06 in full stable frequencies and notice SM2 and SM3/HDR scores.
... Even if your 9600 GT run slowly ( CPU bottleneck ).

[Solaris17]

i have vista so my score is lower than b4 but tell me what settings and ill run it.

[Titus]

There's my new full stable score ( 730/1000/1800 ) : 11971 points.
Details : http://service.futuremark.com/resultAnalyzer.action?resultId=5645318&resultType=14

Details of settings and GFX results :
http://www.korti.info/images/bench/stable_parametres.jpg

[Titus]

I launch a new test run with ATi tool to find limits.
I conclued that's shader frequency which blocked stability.
Max stab is @ 1800 MHz ( 1782 on Riva Tuner monitor board ). If i push @ 1801, the shader is recognized @ 1836 ... and artefacts come.
So I can push stable my memory @ 1010Mhz ( 2020 effective ).
Verdict :
- 188.707 confirmed in Aquamark 3
- 12008 3D Marks 06 ( http://service.futuremark.com/resultAnalyzer.action?resultId=5648193&resultType=14 ).

Pushing more will not be possible without v-moding.

[trt740]

Gears of war looks great on this 8800gs

[isox]

hey trt did u ever manage to get that 8800gt bios going?

[trt740]

hey trt did u ever manage to get that 8800gt bios going?

na it won't work, the card is driver locked by nvidia and the 8800 gt bios malfunctions. Still my card overclocked performs very similar to a 8800gt 512mb. I'm happy with it for now.

[candle_86]

8800GS is dead, my PSU blew last night when i was overclocking my CPU, i guess it was to much for a 400W and it took the card, thank god nothing else was lost

[trt740]

8800GS is dead, my PSU blew last night when i was overclocking my CPU, i guess it was to much for a 400W and it took the card, thank god nothing else was lost

sorry to hear that.

[isox]

You had a new core 2 duo processor and a 9600gt, now your back to the amd and 8800gs candle? I am confused.

[candle_86]

was gonna order that, but paulig never bought my stuff like he said he was gonna lol, so i stayed with what i had.

[isox]

Are you going to buy another 8800gs?

[candle_86]

most likly or get a 9600GT, the 1900XTX wasnt to far down at least, traded my board and chip for it

[candle_86]

just to let everyone know, do not flash a GT bios, its ill advised trust me

[Titus]

just to let everyone know, do not flash a GT bios, its ill advised trust me

:laugh::roll::laugh:

+1, trust him, i tried too :o

[isox]

:laugh::roll::laugh:

+1, trust him, i tried too :o

Yeah and I tried too, it's like the 8800gs has a another bios in it, even if you remove the old bios and try to install the 8800gt bios, it will say this is not a 8800gt card lol :twitch:

[Titus]

Yes, that's what i said to a friend : the GS seems to have another config of its G92 chip, not only shaders units less.

This card is as close as a jail :banghead:

Good news in this bad world : Isox give me a link ( tweakforce.com (http://www.tweakforce.com/) ) for the 169.61 Windows XP32 custom drivers ( search on the left ).
They recognize the 8800GS :rockout: and more perfs too :D
They are avalable for others OS ( XP32 - XP64 - Vista 32 and Vista 64 )

Great thanks to him :respect:

I'll try others drivers.

[Titus]

I've tried the 174.16 ones for XP32 .... without succes :cry:

The 169.61 seems to be the last compatible with the 8800 Gs.

[gR3iF]

The Nvidia Page will let you download the 174.74 if you say you wanna have a driver for the 8800gs. Try this one maybe it helps.

[Titus]

The Nvidia Page will let you download the 174.74 if you say you wanna have a driver for the 8800gs. Try this one maybe it helps.

That's strange : when i go to the Nvidia page, the last drivers for the 8800GS are the 169.32 one in English ( US ), nothing else.

I tried 174.74 custom ones and nothing : they don't recognize my card :banghead:

[dwax]

I installed them on mine. A screen came up and said they were not certified, and I pressed continue and they installed. They are faster then the 169.32.

[Titus]

I'll try to take them on NVidia page and install them ;)

[Kenshai]

After the custom 174.70 or .74 patch I got worse frame rates and scores on 3dmark so I reverted back to the 169.32 and back up to usual frame rates and scores.

Scores were down nearly 700 after both drivers. Back to the 169.32 and back up to normal score. Same clocks with both drivers

[Titus]

I've just downloaded the 174.74 ones, not installed yt.

With the 169.61 custom, i've more frames and scores on 3DM06.

I'll desinstall these and put the 174.74.
See you soon ;)

[Titus]

:D:D:D

I've tested them and appouved !!
Now, i hit 12019 (http://service.futuremark.com/resultComparison.action?compareResultId=6046282&compareResultType=14) points in 3DM06 with my full stable clocks :cool:

Great thanks to you.:respect:

[gR3iF]

Np. nromally I go over the Nvidia Beta Page to download my drivers and this page gave me the latest.

[Titus]

These drivers give me around 100 points more in 3DM06.
I'll try to O/C a little bit more my card but i think there are other limits that drivers in this card overclocking. May be with a hardware modding :rolleyes:

[gR3iF]

Votlmod is the same as for the g92 since all nvidia cards with g92 uses the same pcb.
Normally it should be no problem to give this chips the voltage it gets on the 8800gt/gts.

[gR3iF]

Try this one:
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1032/file.html

I uploaded it for you

[Titus]

I tried these drivers @ 730/1000/1782 ... 12124 points in 3DM06 :D

174.74 drivers are really great one for the 8800GS.

[gR3iF]

Youre welcome, I will get a 8800gs myself its on its way to me. Hopefully my Evga will cklock like hell^^ I would like to kick my friends a** and he uses a 3870.

[gR3iF]

1ghz memory clock is possible^^ I got my card today. I must say its a really nice card. I cant hear the fan at all and the card reaches around 70 under heay load.

[dwax]

I cant hear the fan at all and the card reaches around 70 under heay load.

You must have a loud computer if you can't hear the fan. On mine it was pretty loud.:laugh:

[Titus]

You must have a loud computer if you can't hear the fan. On mine it was pretty loud.:laugh:

He has the EVGA one with a regulated fan ;) not our noisy XFX :D That's why i've put on it a Zalman VF900 Cu ( without regulator, plugged direct on one of my MoBo fan pins ... so quiet and perf : 57°C max @ 720/1000/1728 :pimp:

The EVGA has 1.0ns memory chips : there are 1GHz certified memory chips ( 700MHZ for the XFX ... 1.4ns chips ). So i think they can go higher as 1.1GHz or more.

[gR3iF]

na for now I only tested 1ghz. Yes i have the 8800gt fan on my 8800gs so its really, really silent. I only have 2 more 120mm fans at all in my system.
For now this is all I can do:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080403/Capture007061.jpg



Please note that this is socket 939, ddr1, a 2,5 inch Samsung 5400rpm.

atm this is my systzem and for this I think 10k in 3d mark are really impressive.

[Titus]

Test your card @ 1728 MHz shaders clock ;)
There's your next reference clock ( range 1702 to 1755 ).

[wolf]

knowing those shader increments has really helped aye Titus :D

geforce 8+ cards are the funnest to tweak, before that you mainly only had core and memory to oc, now weve got a whole new clock domain to play with :D

[gR3iF]

Next Step gives me small artifacts under Atitool, atitool itself doesnt stop testing, but i can see 3-5 yellow dots in the window. I will take of the cooler in a few days to replace the thermal paste used by Evga.

This is not the end ;D I am already considering a vmod.


so far

[wolf]

are temps an issue?

[gR3iF]

71 for core doesnt seems to be much for me. But as I said i will remount the cooler this weekend and then I will check what the card can do.
If it doesnt clock better then I will try a vmod.

[gR3iF]

1728 is not working for me. I get artifacts with it.


Is there any way to use 2d and 3d clocks with riva tuner?

[gR3iF]

Tripplepost... Sry about that. I decided to look after the cooler today.
Scary results:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080404/Capture008135.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080404/Capture009973.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080404/Capture010.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080404/Capture011.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080404/Capture012148.jpg


After 15 mins cleaning:http://img.techpowerup.org/080404/Capture013.jpg



Acutally i got a 25 degree Temp drop by applying new thermal paste.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

what paste did u use?

[gR3iF]

For now i used Arctic Ceramique as I give away my As5. Eventually I will remount it again and then I will use As5.

[Titus]

Shaders clock doesn't graw up temp. If it's not stable @ 1728, that's you touched your top clock at your current core clock.
You can try to take down your core clock as 690 or 695 and push up your shaders clock: control them with riva tuner monitor ; there's steps in core clocks too, as for shaders and memory ;)
The shader O/C may bring more perfs than the

I'll make and post a reference board with these differents steps.

My perfs are similar with my new VF900 than with the stock heatsink. No higher overclocking : the card seems to be locked. If your mem can't run stable at more than 1GHz, it confirms the card lockig. :banghead:

That's right, these 8800 series are some great toys for overclockers :D

NB : i use AS silver ceramic with success too.
The AS5 may be a little bit most perf but there's some ( minimalist ) risks of short circuit with silver past on GPU pins.
A new diamond past released few monthes ago with better perfs than the old AS5.

[gR3iF]

If you watch my pictures carefully you can see that the gpu and chips around where swimming in silver thermal paste^^
After this picture I wouldn' t have any problems to use As5 on a Gpu.



I will see what I can do the next days. For now my card is temperature sensitive. With 100% fan an temps around 50 I can do 1728 shader^^ The problem is that I don' t like the sound produced by that.

[Titus]

:D that's right.

Use another cooling system as VF700 or 900 wich are quiet and perf for not an high cost.
These are dual pci solutions but perfs are here :cool:

I tried 174.74 drivers on my multi boot system ( Win XP Pro SP2 and Vista Ultimate 32 with and without SP1 ). So better results with XP ( 12043 3DM06 ) than with Vista ( 11709 on basic, 11920 on SP1 ). Gaming tests will come soon.

I want to try Vista 64 and its dedicated drivers.

[gR3iF]

Hm^^ I cant take the cooler of^^
I will use a micro atx board in future and there is simply no space for a double slot card.

[gR3iF]

For now 690 and 1728 is running and stable. Do you think this will perform better?

Edit: 1728 ist not stable...


What do you think about this?
http://img.techpowerup.org/080405/Capture015.jpg

[Titus]

Since which time did you ran unstable @ 1728 ? 12sec ?

Try to step down your mem clock at 1GHZ and stress your card @ 705/1728 combination with ATi Tool.
Often, we can see that O/C fails because one of the parameters limits the others even if it's not at its top clock.
In this way, some forumers have tested their card at higher core clocks ( as insane 760 MHz on a 8800 GS !! ) but without O/C memory nor shaders ( or so few ).
GFX O/C is so different of CPU O/C ( finding memory max clock, top FSB and max cpu clock ).
It's so rare running stable @ max all clocks on GFX cards, especially with our 8800GS greatly locked ( G92, bios, drivers ??? ).

Help !!! we need some help to unlock this damned but lovely 8800GS :respect:

[gR3iF]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080405/Capture017.jpg

With this settings you can see about 2-3 small yellow dots but atitool doesnt give me an error.
I dont think this Card is locked I guess its just the Core with a lower vdimm.


Something like this:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080405/Capture018.jpg

[gR3iF]

Voltage 1.13 for core:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080405/Capture019.jpg

[Titus]

Testing your card only 2min is not a real stability test.
I test mine mini 1hour.
@ 730/1000/1782 i've some artefacts after a 15 to 20min stress test.
@ 720/1000/1800 some times it's after 40min tests but it freeses in middle of a 3DM03 test :wtf:

[gR3iF]

Hm my latest 3d Mark score:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080405/Capture020.jpg


I will test the card further but atm I' ve got not much time.

[Titus]

When i O/C more, i have not artefacts on games ... just freezes :banghead:
That's hard to make the good choice between several clock tunings.
That's why i give the higher stable one in ATi Tool.

[gR3iF]

I get only freezes^^ Artifacts are only present in atitool i give it a shoot now.

[Titus]

That's why i believe in GPU locking :mad:
O/C stop suddenly, no artefacts on games ... only freezes.

[gR3iF]

Hm what about flashing the card with a 8800gt bios which you mod in a way so that it only have 384mb ram and thinks its a 8800gs bios afterwards?

Or do you think the card is hard locked?

Otherwise i get artifacts in atitool and one tine the driver caused graphics errors in cod4.

[Titus]

I've tested with a GT bios edited with NiBitor with my top clocks and tune in with " 8800GS " name ( black screen with 8800GT on OS booting ).
But i can't install drivers. I'll test with beta ones.

I think there's a hardware locking too :cry:

[Titus]

I've just saw that new : 8800GS will be renamed in 9600 GSO (http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/04/name-change-geforce-8800gs-to-become-geforce-9600gso/).

[gR3iF]

Tpu News also

I test it with an 8800gt bios myself in a few days.

[xdreamer]

Atitool is not very good for testing stability with my card, I have to take gpu, shaders and memory each down by about 25mhz (shaders 50mhz) from the atitool-stable clocks to run all games stable. Otherwise some games will freeze with black screen & pixelisation, especially Clive Barker's Jericho seems sensitive for overclocking. The temperature's are good, under 60 deg c at load. The card is Asus en8800gs/htdp/384M. Atitool-stable clocks are 692/1720/2x875ddr and gaming is stable at 668/1670/2x849. I've tried different drivers and 174.74 seems the best. Perhaps this is a locking issue too.

[gR3iF]

Iam on a 8800gt Evga Bios right now. I simply flashed it with it and I changed everything from my 88gs bios to let the gt match this one. Afterwards I could not install any driver by default.

[Titus]

Did you test with beta drivers ?
You can force their install and before test.
Look at GPU-Z info and make a screenshot ;)

[Titus]

...Atitool-stable clocks are 692/1720/2x875ddr and gaming is stable at 668/1670/2x849 ...

You're not a lucky man !!
680 MHz core clock hot spot seems to be a limit for a lot of people !

When i see some core clocks @ 760 MHz, i say me the 8800GS is the greatest lottery i've ever seen.
For your shaders clocks, it'snormal : ref clocks are 1674 and 1728 ( 54MHz range increment ).

[gR3iF]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080406/Capture013.jpg


This is my gpuz view. I guess its not really a 88gt thing now. The card doesnt clock better, but for now I changed the thermal paste again and it dropped again.

[gR3iF]

Edit running 730/1728/1000 for now and its 25mins stable.

Watch out for more. Vgpu change is supported by Bios flash and hopefully I can get more.

[Titus]

Edit running 730/1728/1000 for now and its 25mins stable.

Watch out for more. Vgpu change is supported by Bios flash and hopefully I can get more.

I've tried V-mod in bios, pushing it @ 1.2V and 1.3V ... no change on perf nor stability :cry:

Not bad for your 730/1000/1728 clocks ;)
Try them minimum 1 hour to valid stability. Mine was going bad after 45min :mad:

[gR3iF]

My core is temp sensitive, below 60 it will clock the best. I will do more for my Card today.

For vgpu I noticed the change only trough higher temps.

[Titus]

My core is temp sensitive, below 60 it will clock the best. I will do more for my Card today.

For vgpu I noticed the change only trough higher temps.

+1 ... the only one difference.
May be with an hardware v-mod ... I saw inverted memory v-mod too ... strange that memory works better with less voltage.

Changing card for a full effective one as 8800 GTX or 9800 GTX runs in my mind :D With the low prices : starting 269€ for a 9800GTX in France ( 145€ the 8800GS ) it may be a better way than hardware modding ( big risks without assurance of noticeable perf gain ... and warranty void for a brand new card:twitch: ) or just a 8800GT 512 ( 169€ in France ).

Hard choice :banghead:

[gR3iF]

Can you play all your games as you want to? If yes then why change something?

This is my last score:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080407/Capture014.jpg

Iam using Nforce 174.82 right now. This card is a bit difficult it strongly reacts on lower temps.
Anything under 60degree gives me around 760core and 1782 for shaders.

[Titus]

Can you play all your games as you want to? If yes then why change something?

The most part of my games runs at max details @ 1680 X 1050 but last games are so gready ... i don't want to change my cards on each new game release. That's why i want a good card now. I bought this 8800GS because i took a complete rig, not just an upgrade as i used to do before. The GT or GTS were realy lost expansive 2 monthes ago ... that's not the case today.


Iam using Nforce 174.82 right now. This card is a bit difficult it strongly reacts on lower temps.
Anything under 60degree gives me around 760core and 1782 for shaders.

What's mean ? the 8800GS works better on under 60°C temps ?
On my rig, no difference between my zalman 57°C and my stock 80°C ... same perfs and scores.

If you hit 760/1782 ... respect :respect:
So, take a Zalman VF900Cu and powaaaaaaa :rockout:

[Titus]

So sad :cry:

I don't know how to edit 174.82 drivers file to valid my GS on ...
I saw some modded.inf files on the web but there's no .inf file in 174.82 XP or Vista versions ( DL on a Gurru 3D website link ).

I need help please :D

[gR3iF]

Maybe this here:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=2661235#post2661235



Sometimes its hard to finde the drivers.

Yeah my card clocks really better in low temp regions.

[Titus]

I pushed my card a little bit more @ 735/1000/1836 clocks.

I shot 12222 3DM06 points (http://service.futuremark.com/resultComparison.action?compareResultId=6145176&compareResultType=14) :D

I tried these clocks opening my rig. I don't know if it's the reason of bench succes.
I think if i launch 3DM03 it will freeze ( longest stress bench ).

For 174.82 forceware, that's this thread ;) but not real answer on it for my card ...

[xdreamer]

For 174.82 forceware, that's this thread ;) but not real answer on it for my card ...

A reliable source has always the latest 174.xx series drivers with modded inf to support all gf 5-9 cards:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=255831

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/1-vt71167.html

or you can mod the .inf yourself, add these two lines in the relevant places in nv4_disp.inf file:

%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0606.1% = nv4_G9x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0606

and this line:

NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0606.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS"

[Titus]

Thanks :respect:

How do you do to open nv4_disp file ??? ... not with wordpad as other files :confused:

[xdreamer]

Thanks :respect:

How do you do to open nv4_disp file ??? ... not with wordpad as other files :confused:

Either notepad or notepad++. I think they have a french version of the latter:

http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/

[Titus]

Thanks ;) ... but i let my 174.74 beta ones ...
Impossible opening nv4_disp.dll ... not good format ( in Vista 32 version ) and no nv4_disp.dll file in XP version.
May be i've not DL good versions.:banghead:

[xdreamer]

Thanks ;) ... but i let my 174.74 beta ones ...
Impossible opening nv4_disp.dll ... not good format ( in Vista 32 version ) and no nv4_disp.dll file in XP version.
May be i've not DL good versions.:banghead:
Yes without proper .inf (not dll) file could be a bad version. But those links i posted have a proper .inf and have all the future "mobile only" versions. Nvidia now supports officially the other betas for all g92 cards, it was a long time they supported only gf 9 series with 174 drivers.

[Titus]

The version i've just DL on your link is already OK for 8800GS ;).

I'll try it booting on my XP32 :nutkick: