Blogger Compiles List of 50 Reasons to Switch to Mac OS X

[zekrahminator]

Somebody took the time and effort to write a fairly neutral list of reasons why people should switch from any Microsoft operating system to Mac OS X. The full list is available at the source link, but I think you might be interested in what made the top five.
It seems that the future of Windows development is happening largely for corporate environments and customers.
Excellent power management in OS X. When I close the lid to my MacBook Pro, it falls asleep. When I open the lid to my MacBook Pro, it wakes up. Imagine that!
I’m ready to experience different frustrations. OS X isn’t perfect, certainly - but I already see its noticeably more stable than Windows Vista has been. Kernel Panics at least look prettier than BSODs.
There’s more interesting, useful, beautiful, and affordable software being developed for OS X
VMWare Fusion

Source: Some Blog on the Interweb (http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/02/14/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-apples-mac-os-x/)

[Ravenas]

Somebody took the time and effort to write a fairly neutral list of reasons why people should switch from any Microsoft operating system to Mac OS X. The full list is available at the source link, but I think you might be interested in what made the top five.

Source: Some Blog on the Interweb (http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/02/14/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-apples-mac-os-x/)

I'm sorry, but that guy is completely weird...He may be true about his reasons, but the fact is another person could come up with 50 reasons to switch to Vista. It's personal preference, and both have their values and their flaws. I'm glad this guy stayed neutral on the subject.

[adamdon89]

Stopped reading at 32... this just fills me with anger lol.

[Jimmy 2004]

TBH, one of the main reasons that I'm sticking to Windows is that more applications support it and I can't be bothered to learn how to use a completely different OS when Windows does everything I need it to - which I'm not convinced a Mac would.

[ShadowFold]

Hey mac OSX user wanna play some games? Oooooh yea sorry...

[Ravenas]

I can play any Windows game or run any Windows App on a my Mac, but I can't play any Mac game on my PC or run Mac software on Windows (besides Safari and a few others) :cry:

[das müffin mann]

ehh xp still blows away osx

[Darknova]

I can play any Windows game or run any Windows App on a my Mac, but I can't play any Mac game on my PC or run Mac software on Windows (besides Safari and a few others) :cry:

Without VMware or emulating a Windows OS? I don't think so.

No offence, but what's the point in using ANY other non-windows OS, if you've then got to emulate Windows to use certain programs....

[Exceededgoku]

Both are good operating systems in different aspects... Fact of the matter is Apple manages to get away with selling their products at a massively increased price (paying for service packs?!) for a product that is akin to a car that doesn't run on any fuel that petrol stations can provide and requires it's own petrol station.
That being said if I was buying a laptop based purely on work and stability I think I would go for Apple.

[lemonadesoda]

OMG, Yawn.

I read the first three, then skimmed another 5 or so.

What an enormously long and boring list. This guy obviously HASNT got a job. THATS VERY CLEAR... The way he's bitching #1 about "I'm not in a corporate environment and because of that, software isnt designed for cool hipster alternative dropouts like me".

OMG if it wasnt for the corporate environment that has driven so much of the technology and software we have today... what would there be? A few games, iTunes, and probably not must more (worth commenting on). What a twit.

I do wish we could "mark down bloggers" with a GROAN. So that there blog site gets blacklisted.

[Ehstii]

Without VMware or emulating a Windows OS? I don't think so.

No offence, but what's the point in using ANY other non-windows OS, if you've then got to emulate Windows to use certain programs....

you dont have to emulate.

you can natively boot microsoft OS on a mac.

[das müffin mann]

apple does has their positive aspects atm, like the decreased risk in obtaining nasty virus, which has got me wondering how long before hackers and virus making dicks focus their attention on macs just as much as pc's, with their increasing market share thats bound to happen, granted i do like their video editing software, its relatively simple to use and effective, the macbook air is impressive, although there are several pc versions out that cost about the same ie Toshiba's pc version, i've used both and in my opinion i think pc's are better because they do a much better job of suiting my needs, my stepmom owns a graphic design company and for her macs are better, granted i will debate this with her on almost every occasion but whatever, although one thing that macs are far superior in is their marketing campaign i mean their mac vs. pc commercials are bloody effective, even pc fanboys have to admit those commercials are good, especially if you don't know a whole lot about computers to begin with those can really sway your opinion

[ghost101]

The guys an idiot. I read the first 30 and windows does pretty much everything he's said.

Some that stuck out

-Windows can VMware, not just OSX
-Background defragging which happens in vista doesnt mean you dont need it. Besides it setup on my installation to do that every week when im away.
-No windows updates till service packs -> Is he stupid?
-Boot Camp -> PCs dont need fancy software to install other OSs
-Time Machine -> Windows can use any NAS drive and not just rip off Apple ones
-Joining wireless easier in OSX -> How?
-VLC -> How is VLC unique to osx?
-Firefox/Opera/etc. -> See above.

Cant be bothered with anymore.

[Duxx]

#33 -A Mac costs about the same as a comparable Windows PC - for hardware and (for argument’s sake for those who don’t believe me) bundled software.

Ahhh bundled software... software which nobody cares about and you could probably find "free" on the internet. 500$ worth of hardware but 1500$ in software! Buy Me!

[das müffin mann]

correction $1500 worth of software sold at $2500

[WhiteLotus]

i agree with Ravenas here 100% - all about personal preference

[Duxx]

correction $1500 worth of software sold at $2500

:banghead: Damn you got me :(

[ghost101]

To be fair some are valid. Remote Desktop on XP/vista sucks. Its a shame most reasons given are rubbish, some are just repeats of others as well.

[das müffin mann]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6QuvWHMqu8&NR=1
this may help

or this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CrQjfgvqJQ&NR=1

[Scrizz]

you dont have to emulate.

you can natively boot microsoft OS on a mac.

you can do the same with a pc run osx on a pc google it :laugh: ;)
pc ftw :toast: :nutkick: :rockout:

[candle_86]

I can play any Windows game or run any Windows App on a my Mac, but I can't play any Mac game on my PC or run Mac software on Windows (besides Safari and a few others) :cry:

why bother, most decent 3d party apps are on both if its on mac

[imperialreign]

nothing to worry about y'all - this guy is just living up to the Mac user stereotype, that's all.

*He comes across as if he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt WTF he is talking about
*He believes beyond a shadow of a doubt that a Mac is superior to any PC
*He conveys the idea that you're a better human if you use a Mac because you're helping the environment and all
*He's writing in a blog - (seriously, how many Mac users write a daily/weekly blog?!)
*He had enough free time to compile and fabricate such a list

*He probably drives a Toyota hybrid
*He was probably sipping $5 coffe from Starbucks while writting this blog
*He probably routinely visits a day spa
*He's more than likely a memeber of the National Arbor Foundation, and write religiously to the EPA
*He probably complains about gas prices, but drives 1000 miles for a ski trip in Aspen twice a year
*need I go on?

see supporting thread here: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=53018

[Wile E]

I'm gonna say it again for everyone that says otherwise (as it seems I have to do in every thread pertaining to Macs): Macs are NOT overpriced, with the exception of maybe the notebooks. Build a PC with the same components, build quality and features as a Mac, and you'll spend the same amount of money. Sometimes more, as in the case of the all-in-ones like the iMac. You get much less for your money by buying the PC equivalent.

EDIT: That's not to say OS X or Macs are for everyone or better in any way. There are pros and cons to both PCs and Macs.

[Mussels]

oh god. tjhis guy is an idiot. i will give a few remarks, and then go away before i explode from his stupid.

# Excellent power management in OS X. When I close the lid to my MacBook Pro, it falls asleep. When I open the lid to my MacBook Pro, it wakes up. Imagine that! Seems to be the case 99% of the time, and it happens quickly.


Ever heard of sleep mode? dun dun dun!

I’m ready to experience different frustrations. OS X isn’t perfect, certainly - but I already see its noticeably more stable than Windows Vista has been. Kernel Panics at least look prettier than BSODs. :) Seriously, I just find OS X’s update schedule to be more to my liking - instead of waiting for gigantic service packs, I get minor point releases along the way to major revisions to the OS. Bugs are going to happen, but knowing that showstopping / security bugs are likely to be squished quicker gives me amazing peace of mind.


Windows update? Hmmmmmm? who cares about pretty, BSOD save the hardware/software from damage and corruption, so i dont care what it looks like.

There’s more interesting, useful, beautiful, and affordable software being developed for OS X. If you still believe that there’s no software for “the Mac,” you’re simply a fool who hasn’t done his or her research.

Or... we arent fools and macs have next to nothing compared to the amount of software available for windows.

No offense to any mac users here, but that douche deserves the title macfag.

[beyond_amusia]

I can set up Windows to do many of those things, and Windows will run on FAR more hardware, and Windows is not locked on to one over priced platform. Seriously, all these damn Mac fan boys should concider that Windows is less of a monoply when you concider the Mac OS can only be legally run on a Mac, whereas Windows can be run on any Itanium or x86-x64 based system. I would gladly use OS X on my PC if it was possible, but Windows would still be my primary OS.
Someone should sue Apple to open their OS to other PCs... hehe.

[candle_86]

let him say what he wants, untill Crysis and CSS run on mac, im staying put cause its funny to laugh at the mac noobs

Mac its so simple and user friendly we dont let you tweak it cause you might break it

[Mussels]

Mac its so simple and user friendly we dont let you have more than one mouse button in case you click something

Fixed.

[candle_86]

hehe

the real mac commercial should be more like this

Hi Im a Mac, and im a PC

So PC what can you do

I play games

Oh, that must be boring

No its fun actully i enjoy it

Well I can't do that, so it must be boreing

No they just deisgned you for 5 year olds, but its ok.

[ChillyMyst]

I'm gonna say it again for everyone that says otherwise (as it seems I have to do in every thread pertaining to Macs): Macs are NOT overpriced, with the exception of maybe the notebooks. Build a PC with the same components, build quality and features as a Mac, and you'll spend the same amount of money. Sometimes more, as in the case of the all-in-ones like the iMac. You get much less for your money by buying the PC equivalent.

EDIT: That's not to say OS X or Macs are for everyone or better in any way. There are pros and cons to both PCs and Macs.

if you use the same componanats, but i can build a system with componanats of the same QUILITY and equivlant performance for cheaper, for prebuilts......well screw them, :P

acctualy i wana see you find a mac that price for power matches this WileE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113045&Tpk=gateway%2b8800gt

i know its a gateway, but its a 2.3gz k10, 3gb ram, 8800gt 512, 500GB hdd.
oh and these arent your old gateways, acer now owns gateway, and i havent ever had major problems with acers other then the old ones that used those weird optical drive fronts so u couldnt just swap them out.....

show me a mac that matches that at 1039.99 :)

[ChillyMyst]

Fixed.

acctualy they now have 2 buttons on the new mice BUT they are temp sencitve clicks not machanical, so if ur hands warm/cold/wet you can have them not work properly ROFL

[ChillyMyst]

best reply so far!!!


spydr101 - February 14, 2008 @ 11:58 pm

1. Seems that the future of Windows development is happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don’t take issue with this other than being someone who doesn’t live or work inside a corporate environment at home.

Yes, because Mac is targeted at gamers…… Grow out of your goddamn shell, Windows is for almost everyone. They’re not developing for just corporate environments, because most companies WILL NOT switch to vista because their software isnt Vista compatible.

2. Excellent power management in OS X. When I close the lid to my MacBook Pro, it falls asleep. When I open the lid to my MacBook Pro, it wakes up. Imagine that! Seems to be the case 99% of the time, and it happens quickly.
^has never used a PC laptop, it does the same ****ing thing. That also is a FRACTION of power management features, so he’s ignoring the other parts that both OS’s have.

3. I’m ready to experience different frustrations. OS X isn’t perfect, certainly - but I already see its noticeably more stable than Windows Vista has been. Kernel Panics at least look prettier than BSODs. :) Seriously, I just find OS X’s update schedule to be more to my liking - instead of waiting for gigantic service packs, I get minor point releases along the way to major revisions to the OS. Bugs are going to happen, but knowing that showstopping / security bugs are likely to be squished quicker gives me amazing peace of mind.

Windows updates…..apparently he has never heard of them. I have also never had a BSOD in Vista other than from me overclocking.

4. There’s more interesting, useful, beautiful, and affordable software being developed for OS X. If you still believe that there’s no software for “the Mac,” you’re simply a fool who hasn’t done his or her research.

There is software, its just the PC has the same goddamn equivalent. And I would take functionality over looks anyday.

5. VMware Fusion makes it possible to have every operating system at my fingertips (as well as every app that runs on ‘em, FTW). Performance and stability is a reality, not a dream. More importantly, with USB 2.0 support in VMware Fusion, I have near complete compatibility with any external hardware. Parallels is also there, which should keep competition lively.

Umm…hello? VMWare is on windows too, its not Mac exclusive. And most companies using virtual machines? PC.

6. I believe that the future of Windows (or any OS software layer) will be experienced in a virtual machine of some sort. People have been dual booting for years - now I can triple-task cross-platform in seconds flat.

I believe that the future of Mac will be experienced in a virtual machine - then OSX will be worth it - OSX with the cost of a PC.

7. Not to say that Microsoft or Linux haven’t made great strides in recent years, but… at least Leopard feels like only one team was developing the UI. It’s not quite perfect, but closer to what perfect should be. I’m not a huge fan of iTunes or every other Apple utility - but at least with Leopard, they’re trying to make them look and work the same way.

Really? What BIG changes were in Leopard? Windows is lacking here, but Linux is the one really taking the strides.

8. I love the fact that most programs and their associated libraries are self-contained (apps). There’s no stress in installing / uninstalling most programs, and for true cleanup jobs there’s always AppZapper.

If I was used to it, I wouldnt compain. But its so goddamn confusing because I cant access any of the files under the appications folder, limiting customization.

9. I’m not a huge fan of the Dock for task management, but Quicksilver has virtually no Windows equivalent (in terms of elegance and scriptability, although it’s still completely overwhelming to me right now). The dock isn’t a shining example of where OS X is “better,” but I do appreciate the context menu options for each of the Dock’s icons for “Open at Login” management.

Windows - task scheduler. There are also TONS of programs to write macros for keystrokes.

10. Spotlight is to Windows Desktop Search as a BMW Z4 is to a Ford Pinto (in terms of performance, usability, and UI). No contest. I’m sure some would argue the opposite, but… they’re also probably the extreme developer “but it works if you just learn how to use it right” types. Feh.

Vista can index your entire drive - makes searching just as fast as OSX.

11. The Apple community has been infiltrated by enough people who aren’t smug. You’re not better than me just because you run another OS or support another vendor, nor are you any less of a geek. Not every Windows user is a neanderthal, although some of their dated arguments would make them out to be. I think that most consumers are caught up in the idea that you NEED Windows for everything at home. You don’t.

I am better than you. Get over it. I spend 1/3 of the money on a faster PC, pirate all my software far easier, and am more productive. Me > you.

12. My iPhone is not going away anytime soon. Would I switch for better compatibility with a communications device? Not necessarily, but if the future of OS X is in the present of the iPhone… they’re going to gain consumer market share at blinding speed. Remember, I wanted to hate this device - after years of being a dyed-in-the-wool Windows Mobile advocate.

Lack of 3G, blackberry has 3x faster GSM, no tactile keys, slow browser. There are better phones and cheaper ones. iPhone is not revolutionary.

13. The spyware / malware / virus threat is diminished by an extreme degree. Not to say that one should avoid running protective layers of software or hardware, but… I’m just not as nervous when I try a new app on OS X.

3 years without any firewall (hardware firewall), no antivirus, no malware scanner. So far, I have NEVER gotten a virus on my PC, and to those I have educated, they have not gotten a virus either.

14. Many of my friends are considering making the switch as well. This dovetails nicely with my first point. I can tell you that just by showing off the fun features of CamTwist and Colloquy with my live stream, a few of those community members have already purchased MacBooks - or are strongly considering doing so in the not-too-distant future. Interestingly enough, those are two FREE apps that work amazingly better than most overpriced Windows shareware titles.

Most free software sucks. You bought a Mac to do video editing with iMovie? I didnt think so. Likewise, nobody serious is going to use windows media maker. There is also a free version of software on PC or linux that will get the job done.

15. Microsoft Windows completely abandoned its power users, period. Where are the Windows Vista “Ultimate” add-ons? Where are the new Power Toys? Why doesn’t Windows Media Player have podcast support yet (despite me telling them to integrate RSS back when WMP9 was in beta, years before podcasting was a buzzword)? I’m not saying that Windows is dead - not by any stretch of the imagination.

WMP blows. Ultimate addons were going to suck anyway. Dreamscene is not a “poweruser” feature. Give me network monitors, ip sniffers, and the liking and then we can talk. You have no idea what a poweruser is.

16. Boot Camp, if all else fails.

You bought a Mac, not a PC. I thought your OS was “sooooo great and better”?

17. A single SKU of Leopard is both 32-bit and 64-bit compatible. This, alone, is a fantastic reason to embrace the platform. It’s seamless. Why should a consumer have to come to a decision on which code to run - or understand the differences between them in the first place? Remember, I’m to be considered a “home” user.

Sure, but how many apps are 64bit? There arent enough programs written in 64bit to justify the switch on almost ANY OS. AFAIC, only video editors, and animators should really be using 64bit.

18. Time Machine. Wow. Can it really be this simple? “Simply select your AirPort Disk as the backup disk for each computer and the whole family can enjoy the benefits of Time Machine.” Do you understand what that means? And no, Windows Volume Shadow Copy is not the SAME thing.

Windows does have a full fledged backup utility.

19. Leopard’s Finder will allegedly search networked computers seamlessly, as well as allow you to access those results remotely (through a paid .Mac account, which would totally be worth purchasing at that point).

I can too. Not remotely, but 3rd party software is ALWAYS better for that.

20. Java app performance is decent on OS X, and the same code looks infinitely better when it’s not running on Windows. In fact, most third-party apps are very well designed so as to integrate seamlessly with the entire OS. That’s beyond refreshing.

Java + IE = sucks. Use firefox to justify anything. Java APPLICATIONS run seamless for me.

[tiys]

Without VMware or emulating a Windows OS? I don't think so.

No offence, but what's the point in using ANY other non-windows OS, if you've then got to emulate Windows to use certain programs....

You make a good point. :)

[Mussels]

^ agree with all of that. this guys 'facts' are retarded.

[ChillyMyst]

I can play any Windows game or run any Windows App on a my Mac, but I can't play any Mac game on my PC or run Mac software on Windows (besides Safari and a few others) :cry:

sure you can, get ahold of a vmware image of osx(they are around) and you can load it right up and use mac software all you like.

[Mussels]

sure you can, get ahold of a vmware image of osx(they are around) and you can load it right up and use mac software all you like.

doesnt work so well, since OSX has very poor driver support. networking in particular, is a real pain.

[ChillyMyst]

the network "card" emulated by vmware is VERY common, and infact by the images can be changed IF the person setting it up knows how.

and i have seen it done, and it worked fine, personaly i didnt see the point as im quite capable of getting equivlant yet better software for the pc free.

movies/encoding=mediacoder, its avalable in 32 and 64bit, offers better fetures then ANY apple encoding software, and its 100% free!!!!

[btarunr]

I can play any Windows game or run any Windows App on a my Mac, but I can't play any Mac game on my PC or run Mac software on Windows (besides Safari and a few others) :cry:

Crysis?

Microsoft Chkdsk?

[Morgoth]

or dos games? :P

[XooM]

*yawns*
*looks at market share*
*yawns*

I do not care if you have a mac. Why are mac users, on average, so much louder about using macs than windows users? Windows vista is an insanely awesome operating system, and windows XP supports... Everything ever made. Get back to me when MacOS can do that.

Seriously, go find some obsolete hunk of hardware that you can't really identify in your closet, hook it up to a winXP machine, and watch it know what it is.

As far as price... *yawns* price the parts in a mac and laugh it the price discrepancy. If you somehow manage to come out more expensive, keep in mind that OEMs don't use good namebrand PSUs, Mobos, and RAM. The thought of a Mac being cost-effective makes me laugh, especially if you wind up having to buy Vista/XP in the end because your OS can't do anything.

"windows vista is ugly blah blah blah" clearly, some people have never used vista. It's extremely functional and effective at everything it does, and it does a whole helluva lot more than allow me to write blog posts that nobody cares about while browsing flickr, while listening to some rad tunes in itunes.

@Java support: platform-independent code works better on machine X than Y, amirite?

[AsRock]

i don't care about Mac OS X however get all or most games running on linux i be there ASAP.

[Mussels]

i don't care about Mac OS X however get all or most games running on linux i be there ASAP.

+1 to that.

I would love a clean, simple gaming OS.

[Wile E]

let him say what he wants, untill Crysis and CSS run on mac, im staying put cause its funny to laugh at the mac noobs

Mac its so simple and user friendly we dont let you tweak it cause you might break it

Bullshit. A good majority of the Unix tweaks apply to mac. You just don't get a pretty GUI to do it, you have to go to the command line. You can delete the entire kernel with the command line if you're not careful. Yes, it's very noob friendly, but it's also tweakable to the hardcore users.

And @ Xoom - Use the same parts as a Mac to build a PC, and the price is the same. The exception being the Mac notebooks. In that respect, Macs are priced very fairly. If you don't need or want a dual socket Workstation board, and the S771 cpus and FB-DIMMs that go with it (ala MacPro), then yeah, your money is better spent elsewhere. But that still doesn't make Macs overpriced. As far as the iMac, no other all-in-one computer represents a better value. Again, if you don't want an all-in-one, then yeah, you should look elsewhere. It all comes down to what hardware you want. if a Mac has the features and hardware you want, then they represent an equal value to a PC with the same specs.

[Ravenas]

doesnt work so well, since OSX has very poor driver support. networking in particular, is a real pain.

This is a complete and out right lie. VMWare works good, but Parallels and Boot Camp are supported to the upmost. Boot Camp is made by Apple! Networking is a problem? Apple gives you the drivers to get EVERYTHING working. Parallels also works perfectly and has no issues. Any network problem that I've head about is solved with a simple restart, and it's only a one time thing.

It never ceases to amaze me how people come up with exaggerated lies just to support their argument. No offense man, but this is just false information.

[Mussels]

This is a complete and out right lie. VMWare works good, but Parallels and Boot Camp are supported to the upmost. Boot Camp is made by Apple! Networking is a problem? Apple gives you the drivers to get EVERYTHING working. Parallels also works perfectly and has no issues. Any network problem that I've head about is solved with a simple restart, and it's only a one time thing.

It never ceases to amaze me how people come up with exaggerated lies just to support their argument. No offense man, but this is just false information.

it never ceases to amase me how people can read messages out of context in order to make up totally irrelevant arguments - we are talking about mac OSX on a PC, NOT the other way around.

[Ravenas]

it never ceases to amase me how people can read messages out of context in order to make up totally irrelevant arguments - we are talking about mac OSX on a PC, NOT the other way around.

Ohhh...Lol, well then, I was getting kinda pissed at that little comment. Anyway, my bad. I wouldn't recommend the OSX project to anyone, it's not worth the effort. When Apple starts distributing their OS mainstream, things will change.

[candle_86]

*yawns*
*looks at market share*
*yawns*

I do not care if you have a mac. Why are mac users, on average, so much louder about using macs than windows users? Windows vista is an insanely awesome operating system, and windows XP supports... Everything ever made. Get back to me when MacOS can do that.

Seriously, go find some obsolete hunk of hardware that you can't really identify in your closet, hook it up to a winXP machine, and watch it know what it is.

As far as price... *yawns* price the parts in a mac and laugh it the price discrepancy. If you somehow manage to come out more expensive, keep in mind that OEMs don't use good namebrand PSUs, Mobos, and RAM. The thought of a Mac being cost-effective makes me laugh, especially if you wind up having to buy Vista/XP in the end because your OS can't do anything.

"windows vista is ugly blah blah blah" clearly, some people have never used vista. It's extremely functional and effective at everything it does, and it does a whole helluva lot more than allow me to write blog posts that nobody cares about while browsing flickr, while listening to some rad tunes in itunes.

@Java support: platform-independent code works better on machine X than Y, amirite?

no that won't work, XP requires a 233mhz CPU and PCI devices, it cant understand ISA as the NT Kenal can not understand them. But most hardware built after 1995 works with XP lol

[candle_86]

Ohhh...Lol, well then, I was getting kinda pissed at that little comment. Anyway, my bad. I wouldn't recommend the OSX project to anyone, it's not worth the effort. When Apple starts distributing their OS mainstream, things will change.

yea thousands of drivers clogging it up, lots of backwards compatible code, ect.

Sounds a bit like Windows to me, but can the MacOS handle it is the question?

[Ravenas]

yea thousands of drivers clogging it up, lots of backwards compatible code, ect.

Sounds a bit like Windows to me, but can the MacOS handle it is the question?

As far as hardware and driver support yes, but I believe Apple would have to tighten up on their security if distributed to a mainstream OEM market.

[Mussels]

yea thousands of drivers clogging it up, lots of backwards compatible code, ect.

Sounds a bit like Windows to me, but can the MacOS handle it is the question?

^ thats part of the reason i like vista, it comes with a lot of generic drivers.
"HD audio device" only the one monitor driver for digital screens, etc.

[Wile E]

the network "card" emulated by vmware is VERY common, and infact by the images can be changed IF the person setting it up knows how.

and i have seen it done, and it worked fine, personaly i didnt see the point as im quite capable of getting equivlant yet better software for the pc free.

movies/encoding=mediacoder, its avalable in 32 and 64bit, offers better fetures then ANY apple encoding software, and its 100% free!!!!"Equivalent yet better" is an opinion. Some might say the opposite. There's some cross platform apps that I prefer in Windows, and some that I prefer in OS X. I prefer VLC and PS on OSX.

ffmpegX is essentially the Media Coder equivalent. It doesn't support quite as many codecs, but has been 100X more stable than Media Coder for me. It's also 100% free. But I like both, so i just use the one that's on the machine I'm currently using.

Crysis?

Microsoft Chkdsk?Don't know about chkdsk, but yes on Crysis. Boot Camp allows you to boot to Windows natively. Newer MacPros even have an 8800GT option.
if you use the same componanats, but i can build a system with componanats of the same QUILITY and equivlant performance for cheaper, for prebuilts......well screw them, :P

acctualy i wana see you find a mac that price for power matches this WileE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113045&Tpk=gateway%2b8800gt

i know its a gateway, but its a 2.3gz k10, 3gb ram, 8800gt 512, 500GB hdd.
oh and these arent your old gateways, acer now owns gateway, and i havent ever had major problems with acers other then the old ones that used those weird optical drive fronts so u couldnt just swap them out.....

show me a mac that matches that at 1039.99 :)No, that's not near equal. The MacPros are 8 core machines now. And besides, that doesn't matter. We're not talking about similar performance for a lesser price, we are talking about trying to get the same exact parts and features for a lesser price. Not gonna happen. What you never consider is, what if a person wants a goddamned dual socket workstation system? Your build fails compared to a MacPro in my eyes. Build me an 8 core system with the same specs, performance and capabilities for less than a MacPro, then you have an argument. Until then, you don't.

[candle_86]

lol yea alot, i laughed my ass off when the MacOS was proven vulenrable to attack, sure its not common simply because Mac users are insignifcant in the eyes of the hackers and programmers.

[Ravenas]

^ thats part of the reason i like vista, it comes with a lot of generic drivers.
"HD audio device" only the one monitor driver for digital screens, etc.

Oh you mean besides DirectX? :p I would be happy if they stopped using DirectX altogether. Most in game graphical errors can be directly related to problems with DirectX. OpenGL should be adopted as the choice.

[Ravenas]

lol yea alot, i laughed my ass off when the MacOS was proven vulenrable to attack, sure its not common simply because Mac users are insignifcant in the eyes of the hackers and programmers.

Certainly not as bad as the MAC MS Office errors found...Lol, those are the baddies. Was probably MSs intentions.

As for now, Mac works perfectly for, but only on a notebook scale. The only prebuilt computers I will buy are notebooks (simply because I can't build a good notebook myself), and the only notebooks I considered were the MacBooks, the ThinkPads, and the VAIOS.

However, despite this article, I think we can all agree that Apple notebooks are top par, along with IBM, Sony, and Toshiba.

[das müffin mann]

i will agree that their notebooks are top par, i think they are better than the sonys sometimes, most of the sonys i've used tend to be on the flimsy side

[AsRock]

Oh you mean besides DirectX? :p I would be happy if they stopped using DirectX altogether. Most in game graphical errors can be directly related to problems with DirectX. OpenGL should be adopted as the choice.

Yes i'd like OpenGL make a come back, Hopehey get 3.0 sorted soon..

[Mussels]

i will agree that their notebooks are top par, i think they are better than the sonys sometimes, most of the sonys i've used tend to be on the flimsy side

the only reason i even consider a mac, is the laptops. not to run OSX, but for vista via bootcamp, and the outright shinyness of the laptop.

Until i remember that they underclock the video cards really badly, and the grease jobs are so poor the laptops overheat...

[das müffin mann]

true i would not buy a macbook for the os boot camp is the only chance i would give it

[Ravenas]

I'm wanting to do Half OS X, 1/4 Windows Vista Ultimate, and 1/4 Yellow Dog. :toast: Anyway, off to chem lecture... :D

[Scrizz]

i will agree that their notebooks are top par, i think they are better than the sonys sometimes, most of the sonys i've used tend to be on the flimsy side

meh, give me an xps anyday :nutkick:

[newtekie1]

Somebody took the time and effort to write a fairly neutral list of reasons why people should switch from any Microsoft operating system to Mac OS X. The full list is available at the source link, but I think you might be interested in what made the top five.

Several of those reasons don't exactly seem that neutral or informed to me.

3. ...Seriously, I just find OS X’s update schedule to be more to my liking - instead of waiting for gigantic service packs, I get minor point releases along the way to major revisions to the OS. Bugs are going to happen, but knowing that showstopping / security bugs are likely to be squished quicker gives me amazing peace of mind.

This guy has no clue what he is talking about.

1. You don't have to wait for service packs to get updates. They come the first tuesday of every month. And in the case of severly critical updates, microsoft will release them as soon as they are ready.

2. At least Microsoft releases Service Packs. Apple just requires you to buy the whole OS again to get the lastes updates. Yeah, that is a much better strategy, I love rebuying the same shit over and over again.

I stopped reading at number 3 because if I'm already have to put on my BS boots by his 3rd point, I don't need to read all 50.

[das müffin mann]

nothing will beat my asus, for it can do no wrong in my eyes

[Mussels]

nothing will beat my asus, for it can do no wrong in my eyes

Nothing beats it... except MY asus!

[das müffin mann]

what model do you have?

[ChillyMyst]

bah my anus beats your asus's ;)

[das müffin mann]

you must have one powerful anus!

[ChillyMyst]

I DO!!!! it can projectile sh!t over 7 feet!!!!

[das müffin mann]

now thats impressive

[ChillyMyst]

isnt it tho!!!!! i mean if it really tryed maby it cold manage 8 or even 9 feet!!!!!

[erocker]

Back on topic please.:shadedshu

[hat]

I am an overclocker and a gamer. Mac offers niether of the two, except some openGL games and stupid shit like Minesweeper. I'm sure mac is good for people who only use thier computetrs for work, but then again a PC can do all of that anyway... probably for cheaper.

Mac is like a newb's PC as far as I can tell.

[das müffin mann]

im feel reletivly the same as hat, but tbh the best os ever created has to windows ME, it was sooo stable and just plain awesome, xp, linux and osx should bow before its greatness(im not serious if your wondering) a mac would be nice for someone like my mom, it would be less of a hassle for he all she would use it for would be lite web surfing and what not, being that it is retardedly simple to use (if you know the os) that would be good for her, and being that she knows jack about technology (she has trouble using her cell phone) that would be good, but unfortunately the price tag just doesn't justify it, if apple would come out with something much cheaper for the average consumer i may be a bit less critical of them, but that may be bad for them seeing as how they may loose their highend trendy artsy image if they did that, where as i could get a a cheap prebuilt, or make a cheap one myself and throw a better(in my opinion) os (linux) that is stable, little virus trouble and it works quite well

you may get what im trying to say, but what i typed makes sense in my head, so im not sure if i translated it well

[ChillyMyst]

lol, muffin man, i agree, hell u could get an eeepc, xandros(linus) is TOTALY NOOBIE FRIENLY, very much made for the uber noob mac user type, and they are cheap!!!.

as to building better, i can easly build better then the cheap mac's and do it cheaply as well, their stuff "worth buying" is still over priced in my oppenion, because they want to keep their image as you said, apple=no thanks i got a gaming pc, why would i want a crippled underclocked system when i got a system thats nice and FAST already and can do all the same jobs that the 3500$ mac can do....at a fraction of the price!!!!

[Ravenas]

Not true by any standards, the only reason gaming is currently being held by MS like a stanglehold is completely because of DirectX! The monopoly powers of Windows OS is holding gamers, and overclockers, on a single platform. Microsoft refuses to share a widespread graphics interface like OpenGL (that everyone else supports). It's a very cut throat tactic in my opinion, but if you look at a lot of different MS stuff, it supports MS's position on keeping everything proprietary.

http://i16.tinypic.com/4lzugkk.jpg

Now based on that picture, make a conclusion why MS uses Direct X. AND THE ABOVE ISN'T EVEN OPEN GL 3.0!

[ChillyMyst]

Not true by any standards, the only reason gaming is currently being held by MS like a stanglehold is completely because of DirectX! The monopoly powers of Windows OS is holding gamers, and overclockers, on a single platform. Microsoft refuses to share a widespread graphics interface like OpenGL (that everyone else supports). It's a very cut throat tactic in my opinion, but if you look at a lot of different MS stuff, it supports MS's position on keeping everything proprietary.

http://i16.tinypic.com/4lzugkk.jpg

Now based on that picture, make a conclusion why MS uses Direct X.

well your right and wrong, the reasion linux dosnt get more games isnt 100% the fault of ms or directX.

alot of game companys refuse to support linux for the same reasion that alot of hardware companys refuse, its to hard to support all the diffrent distros out there.

there are tens of not hunders of thousands of diffrent distros, no 2 are 100% alike when it comes to installing software and drivers, if linus would get togather and make an ISO for drivers and app installers they would get more support from software and hardware companys, till then, well linux will remain the toy of geeks who eather cant coap with windows or who are mad that they have to upgrade every 5-10 years to beable to run windows smoothy(alot of linux nutters are still using p3 systems for example)

i got nothing against linux, but its a fact that till linux community can put aside their diffrances and agree to include 1 way of doing some things on ALL distrobutions then hardware and software makers WILL look at linux as a high cost for low returns proposition.

EDIT:
part of why is because ICD for ogl on windows are SHITTY from all but the top name makers of videocards, u know why ms made directX to start with, they wanted something they could get support for that any hardware maker could/would make a working driver for, back then OGL icd's where timeconsuming to make and most card/chip makers if they even had ogl support it was VERY slow and VERY buggy, the advent of dx wasnt a bad ting, its how ms handled it afterworld and how the OGL comminity drove ms away when they tryed to do a combine standred called ferinhite(sp) the project was going well, ms was making consessions and bending, but some of the people on the ogl side wouldnt make any consessions or bend at all, and infact got combative, this as been admited by the ogl lobby that was invloved, ms walked away, and i cant blame them....


oh and if those ogl2.1 shots are doom3(remind me somehow of doom3) they are acctualy ogl1.3/1.4, alot can be done with ogl, and even dx9 that wasnt ever fully exploited, ogl2.x in some ways is more powerfull then dx10, but as even Id games leader carmack(asshole ati hater) has admited current ogl is missing some fetures that have been made requiered in dx10, ogl2.3 is acctualy finnlized last i checked but not in use yet(just as dx10.1 isnt in use yet)

sorry for the edit but i wanted to clarify, there are reasions behind not using pure ogl, tho they are far smaller now days then they use to be, oneof the main ones nodays is that programers need to relearn to program the gfx engine in OGL because to many of them have gotten VERY lazy and only know d3d/dx enterfaces.

OH, about linux one last note, it has NOTHING LIKE DIRECTX, dx isnt just d3d, its also direct imput, direct sound, direct music, and more, linux really needs to have the bulk of the community sit down and make their own dx equivlant so that each game dosnt need its own hand coded replacements for dx fetures.

[strick94u]

I found when talking to Mac users they act as if it’s all about intelligentsia and how dumb we are for buying in to the whole windows thing. Then they talk about how stable it is and virus free both of those statements are lies. Than all of a sudden it’s about how easy it is to use well if you’re so freaking smart why does your OS of choice have to be so simple to use? I have had both and would buy another Macs are damn good pc's, what keeps me from buying one you ask? Well it’s the cost of being easy all the software is way over priced if you want a decent video card it’s going to cost you 500 bucks more for a technically challenged ATI card that was decent on a pc 3 years ago. And my favorite thing is the cool thing with Mac users now is to get XP or vista to run on it, so I have a 2200 dollar Mac that’s not as fast or powerful as my 1000 dollar Acer laptop and I am going to run windows. Of course with a Mac I get to have that snobbish line whenever the pc discussion starts "well I use a Mac it’s a much better system" wtf?? Windows Linux Mac BeOS I have crashed them all: D

[Ravenas]

well your right and wrong, the reasion linux dosnt get more games isnt 100% the fault of ms or directX.

alot of game companys refuse to support linux for the same reasion that alot of hardware companys refuse, its to hard to support all the diffrent distros out there.

there are tens of not hunders of thousands of diffrent distros, no 2 are 100% alike when it comes to installing software and drivers, if linus would get togather and make an ISO for drivers and app installers they would get more support from software and hardware companys, till then, well linux will remain the toy of geeks who eather cant coap with windows or who are mad that they have to upgrade every 5-10 years to beable to run windows smoothy(alot of linux nutters are still using p3 systems for example).

i got nothing against linux, but its a fact that till linux community can put aside their diffrances and agree to include 1 way of doing some things on ALL distrobutions then hardware and software makers WILL look at linux as a high cost for low returns proposition.

True, but Apple should be supported, and it's not. Many many companies are in a huge alliance with Apple that absolutely hated how Microsoft treated other companies in the 90s. Change is definitely on the horizon as MS's empire begins to show how it is loosing monopoly dominance. A huge example of MSs failing monopoly is in iPods and how Quicktime (which was the first universal player that supported all companies codec, unlike windows media player) quickly took control in the late 90s, and now in the 21st century the Zune is failing in comparison (although it has respectable weekly sales), and showing how MSs proprietary sound codec is failing (as well as MS's video codec).

The reason above is why EA, id, Blizzard, and many many developers are starting to move to Apple also. Which is a very good sign.

[ChillyMyst]

the reasion some dev's support apple is that their products will run decent on an apple base hardware config wow and other blizzard products are not hard core on gfx or cpu use, my system i can run 10+copys of wow and do other stuff and mines a lowly x2 chip not even a core2.

as to ms empire crumbling, ROFL thats funny, they been loosing some sales to linux in buisness but nothing that would make them suffer any.

as to Zune and ms codecs, the zune is selling like mad here, the ipod sucks for quility and fetures compared to something like irivers OLD h10 units that can play pretty much any format of audio file you throw on them.

ms's codecs, well, they dont bother me, the quilitys ok for video, and the audio is good at low bitrate specly for voice type data.

ogg is better, hell current ogg encoder is better then appls aac encoder by a large margin in my exp.

at one point ms had offered to make a dx distro for apple, but apple didnt want it, and now ms would want alot of cheese($) to make them a distro, so in that case, apple stuck something up their own rears not ms.

i am no ms lover, but i also dont like apples "buy a new one and toss the old one" method of upgrades, and their "we are the best, if you run anything but a mac you suck" attatude(see their adds and their users.....)

as to quicktime, it got alot of use because alot of mac users where posting quicktime files online, i remmber those days, they sucked, quicktime honestly is CRAP, realone is better, and i HATE realone/realplayer, BUT real codecs/encoders are STELLER for a quility per bitrate comparison, its really funny, the best shit comes from the worst companys :P

i encode videos to x264 with vorbis audio, i use mediacoder, mac dosnt got anything thats quite as good as windows mediacoder!!!!

for audio i use dbpoweramp, again apple dosnt got anything even close to as powerfull, and belive me, i have looked for friends, apple has its strong points but its also got massive weaknesses, some are obvous, others arent so obvious, i really do like some things apple does, but hate other things they do, their attatude as a company and that of the bulk of their users really turns me off to the whole "mac experiance" that and i hate noobiefied os's and games/apps, if i want to be treated like a MORON i will go see my fathers relitives, at least they feed u when treating you like ur stupid :P

[Ravenas]

the reasion some dev's support apple is that their products will run decent on an apple base hardware config wow and other blizzard products are not hard core on gfx or cpu use, my system i can run 10+copys of wow and do other stuff and mines a lowly x2 chip not even a core2.

as to ms empire crumbling, ROFL thats funny, they been loosing some sales to linux in buisness but nothing that would make them suffer any.

as to Zune and ms codecs, the zune is selling like mad here, the ipod sucks for quility and fetures compared to something like irivers OLD h10 units that can play pretty much any format of audio file you throw on them.

ms's codecs, well, they dont bother me, the quilitys ok for video, and the audio is good at low bitrate specly for voice type data.

ogg is better, hell current ogg encoder is better then appls aac encoder by a large margin in my exp.

at one point ms had offered to make a dx distro for apple, but apple didnt want it, and now ms would want alot of cheese($) to make them a distro, so in that case, apple stuck something up their own rears not ms.

i am no ms lover, but i also dont like apples "buy a new one and toss the old one" method of upgrades, and their "we are the best, if you run anything but a mac you suck" attatude(see their adds and their users.....)

as to quicktime, it got alot of use because alot of mac users where posting quicktime files online, i remmber those days, they sucked, quicktime honestly is CRAP, realone is better, and i HATE realone/realplayer, BUT real codecs/encoders are STELLER for a quility per bitrate comparison, its really funny, the best shit comes from the worst companys :P

i encode videos to x264 with vorbis audio, i use mediacoder, mac dosnt got anything thats quite as good as windows mediacoder!!!!

for audio i use dbpoweramp, again apple dosnt got anything even close to as powerfull, and belive me, i have looked for friends, apple has its strong points but its also got massive weaknesses, some are obvous, others arent so obvious, i really do like some things apple does, but hate other things they do, their attatude as a company and that of the bulk of their users really turns me off to the whole "mac experiance" that and i hate noobiefied os's and games/apps, if i want to be treated like a MORON i will go see my fathers relitives, at least they feed u when treating you like ur stupid :P

I'm not trying to treat you like your stupid, I'm trying to explain how Micrsoft's monopoly is failing due to failing to launch proprietary products on a mainstream basis (not sells). True zune is doing good, but not half as good as the iPod, they own around 10% of the market.

The fact is all of the things you're talking about are non ms proprietary, solutions made against MS. Apple certainly wants this and so does most of the business solutions. I'm not in any means saying that Apple products are better than everything, I'm trying to say that MS proprietary products are not the solution for mainstream consumers. If it does become that way, we will all be locked into a huge MS world.

The biggest example I can think of is the HD-DVD players, read the article in my sig...

I'm really not trying to treat you like you're stupid, and if I am my apologies.

[Wile E]

i encode videos to x264 with vorbis audio, i use mediacoder, mac dosnt got anything thats quite as good as windows mediacoder!!!!ffmpegX does x264/vorbis, and supported multithreading long before any encoders on Windows did. It can't do some of the oddball codecs thet mediacoder can, but it's every bit as fast, and a bunch more stable.

[ChillyMyst]

I'm not trying to treat you like your stupid, I'm trying to explain how Micrsoft's monopoly is failing due to failing to launch proprietary products on a mainstream basis (not sells). True zune is doing good, but not half as good as the iPod, they own around 10% of the market.

The fact is all of the things you're talking about are non ms proprietary, solutions made against MS. Apple certainly wants this and so does most of the business solutions. I'm not in any means saying that Apple products are better than everything, I'm trying to say that MS proprietary products are not the solution for mainstream consumers. If it does become that way, we will all be locked into a huge MS world.

The biggest example I can think of is the HD-DVD players, read the article in my sig...

I'm really not trying to treat you like you're stupid, and if I am my apologies.

haha u thought i ment u where treating me as a moron, no no, i ment apples os treats you like a moron, as does vista.

they are and you are locked into a huge ms world, if you dont already see that, then your blind, there are alwase gonna be fringe groups, linux and apple users who avoid the norm, but over 95% of the market buy windows based systems and are happy/content with them, thats where im coming from.

as to your hd artical, i really dont care, i think both formats suck, bd has to much DRM and hd-dvd has lower capacity,

and i dont agree with alot of what the artical claims/says, ms wasnt gonna get richer off hd-dvd because of the codec's used, hd-dvd can support h264 just like bd, it really wasnt gonna matter who won, eather way we are stuck with less choice and a monopoly by a buch of assholes who want to treat every cosumer like a theif(drm) and who really only care about filling their pockets as quickly as possable.

im waiting on HVD format to hit the main market, it would be nice to see tb worth of storege on an optical format disk :)

[Ravenas]

haha u thought i ment u where treating me as a moron, no no, i ment apples os treats you like a moron, as does vista.

they are and you are locked into a huge ms world, if you dont already see that, then your blind, there are alwase gonna be fringe groups, linux and apple users who avoid the norm, but over 95% of the market buy windows based systems and are happy/content with them, thats where im coming from.

as to your hd artical, i really dont care, i think both formats suck, bd has to much DRM and hd-dvd has lower capacity,

and i dont agree with alot of what the artical claims/says, ms wasnt gonna get richer off hd-dvd because of the codec's used, hd-dvd can support h264 just like bd, it really wasnt gonna matter who won, eather way we are stuck with less choice and a monopoly by a buch of assholes who want to treat every cosumer like a theif(drm) and who really only care about filling their pockets as quickly as possable.

im waiting on HVD format to hit the main market, it would be nice to see tb worth of storege on an optical format disk :)

I think they would have gotten richer simply because MS was going to use MS as a Digital Download platform. LIVE MOVIES BY MS! haha...

[ChillyMyst]

ffmpegX does x264/vorbis, and supported multithreading long before any encoders on Windows did. It can't do some of the oddball codecs thet mediacoder can, but it's every bit as fast, and a bunch more stable.

havent had media coder crash once as long as i use the full not beta builds(using beta x64 now and its rock stable)

and i have seen ffmpegX its not as vercitile, nore as tweakable in my experiance, mac has some nice software, but nothing you cant get the same results from under windows.

most mac encoding software wants you to use quicktimes PROPRITARY format, a format i truely dispise, and itunes, well the pc ver sucks, and i dont like using it even on mac's, i would rather just drag and drop my files from my pc to my player and go, or encode with a simple rclick with NO drm.(god how i hate drm)

[Ravenas]

havent had media coder crash once as long as i use the full not beta builds(using beta x64 now and its rock stable)

and i have seen ffmpegX its not as vercitile, nore as tweakable in my experiance, mac has some nice software, but nothing you cant get the same results from under windows.

most mac encoding software wants you to use quicktimes PROPRITARY format, a format i truely dispise, and itunes, well the pc ver sucks, and i dont like using it even on mac's, i would rather just drag and drop my files from my pc to my player and go, or encode with a simple rclick with NO drm.(god how i hate drm)

At any rate, Quicktime dominates WMP9, but I'm by no means saying quicktime is the best solution. I'm a WinAMP user myself.

[Wile E]

havent had media coder crash once as long as i use the full not beta builds(using beta x64 now and its rock stable)

and i have seen ffmpegX its not as vercitile, nore as tweakable in my experiance, mac has some nice software, but nothing you cant get the same results from under windows.

most mac encoding software wants you to use quicktimes PROPRITARY format, a format i truely dispise, and itunes, well the pc ver sucks, and i dont like using it even on mac's, i would rather just drag and drop my files from my pc to my player and go, or encode with a simple rclick with NO drm.(god how i hate drm)
ffmpegx is every bit as tweakable. You can go to the command line to change options, just like MC. And I'm using the latest stable MC, and it crashes on me constantly. I even clocked to stock and swapped my ram and test. It still crashes when it wants to, and it always has for me in all my time using it. It's stability = crap.

And the point of my argument isn't whether or not you can achieve the same thing in Windows, it that you CAN achieve the same thing in OS X. You just don't want to see that. For anything that can be done in Windows, I can do in OS X, with the exception of gaming.

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

you dont have to emulate.

you can natively boot microsoft OS on a mac.

That still defeats the purpose.

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

To be fair some are valid. Remote Desktop on XP/vista sucks. Its a shame most reasons given are rubbish, some are just repeats of others as well.

One word. Crossloop (http://www.crossloop.com). And its 100% free. I use it. Works great.

[Wile E]

That still defeats the purpose.

How so? I'd rather dual-boot any day. On my iMac, I'll fire up parallels to do simple stuff in Windows if I have to. Like my gf's schooling. It needs ActiveX to run. But for anything remotely intensive that I want to do in Windows, I boot to the OS. It's way more efficient that virtual machines.

[ChillyMyst]

ok your right WileE, we should all sell our pc's run out and get macs, they are better,and media coder is totaly unreliable, i must just be very very very lucky that it dosnt crash on me every time i use it.........

*go's off to try and sell his worthless crappy windows pc so he can make a downpayment on a mac*

[Ravenas]

ok your right WileE, we should all sell our pc's run out and get macs, they are better,and media coder is totaly unreliable, i must just be very very very lucky that it dosnt crash on me every time i use it.........

*go's off to try and sell his worthless crappy windows pc so he can make a downpayment on a mac*

I don't think that's what he's saying Chilly :laugh: He's saying there isn't a reason for prebuilt PCs right now because Mac covers every basis. As for custom PCs, that's another story.

[Wile E]

ok your right WileE, we should all sell our pc's run out and get macs, they are better,and media coder is totaly unreliable, i must just be very very very lucky that it dosnt crash on me every time i use it.........

*go's off to try and sell his worthless crappy windows pc so he can make a downpayment on a mac*At what point did I ever say Macs were better? I never did. You just happen to have a lot of misguided ideas and misconceptions about them. At no point did I try to make them seem superior, but you, on the other hand, try to make them sound inferior at every turn. I'm not the one in the wrong here, you are.

[das müffin mann]

this argument is kinda pointless, there is NO way to prove one way or another as to which os is better, its just opinion, each one has its strengths and weaknesses, MS platforms being cheap, game friendly, you can oc ect..., with a mac its simple to use(pro, maybe a con depending on person), pretty, some nice software of the bat, lower risk of viruses, now for a few cons, MS prebuilts (*cough*dell*cough*) well on a few occasions suck, much more prone to viruses, vista(without tweaking) now for mac very expensive, cant oc, gives you feeling of superiority over pc owners(average consumer, not those with half a brain to see pros and cons) no games, i could make very long lists on each side but it would be pointless, lets agree on one thing the macbooks are nice (not for everyone,like me) but nice, their destops suck completely overpriced, for what you get, but so are dells (the sucking part and sometimes overpriced part)

[ChillyMyst]

At what point did I ever say Macs were better? I never did. You just happen to have a lot of misguided ideas and misconceptions about them. At no point did I try to make them seem superior, but you, on the other hand, try to make them sound inferior at every turn. I'm not the one in the wrong here, you are.

that was scarcasim ya nub!!!


you think i havent delt with macs at all, you seem to think they are the shit, and that at least is how your compaison to me comes off.

i duno why you media coder crashes so much, i left mine running for 8 days doing a GIANT batch of anime, guess what, i games, watched movies, and slept and it didnt crash once.....even on anime that crashed explorer and even crashed fing vlc(damn that was some crappy encoding!!!)

i guess in this case my systems just more stable then yours :)

and i have delt with macs, i have friends/relitives/neibors who have them, and they never have impressed me, other then with how shiny the basel face of their way to white monotors is.......oh and at how fubar they can become with just something simple like a digital cam or mouse being pluged in(restart looks suck) calling apple and having them say"reinstall the os" when ms has never once told me that in all the times i called and reported problems/buggs when i was working at bits n bytes computers.

i know, i dont own one, so i must not know jack shit about them.

but here is my exp, the version of all the encoding softwares i tryed didnt offer the flexability and ease of use that mediacoder or some other apps i have here offer, i couldnt find an equivlant to dbpoweramp(because their isnt one!!!)

when i did run into trouble apples first responce 90% of the time was "reinstall the os" to me thats just.......insainly lazy.........

apples to you are extreamly good prices, but to me, well since i dont care if its an amd or intel cpu, and i do like to overclock, i would rather get the same better perf for a fraction of the price, and when i feel i need an upgrade, just beable to slap in an upgrade and away i go, insted of doing the apple classic upgrade where you buy a new one and chuck the old one out the window.

i know i know your gonna say "but you can upgrade the power macs" yeah, but the power macs are insaily over prices in my book, and the mac mini/emac/imac are NOT easly upgraded, the mac mini the best u can do is more ram and a better hdd, wow, thats about......useless if the cpu os slow as snot!!!, and to upgrade them u gotta know how to pry them apart without breaking them(fun!!!)

the imac.....oh jesus, the last 2 i opened where just a royal pain in the ass to get open, then even more fun to get back togather.......

granted they where the older style crt ones, but i did open one of the lcd version, and it wasnt so nice inside, in my book if u buy a computer you should beable to upgrade ir yourself, and not need a engenering degree to get it apart/back togather, let alone to try and swap some parts, the lcd mac i opened had a metel clip holding the ram down, this is added to the normal plastic ram locks!!!! wth is that about?

well i know your gonna think "oh bullshit macs rock, they are great for theprice" but to me and most geeks, well they suck, the os is even more annoing then vista(omfg, is it even possable!!!) it dosnt let the normal user have deep access to settings you may want to tweak, because the avg mac user is about as computer literit as my dog.........(hey he knows how to pee on the power cables...) so they hide everything......

if i was forced to choose between a mac mini and an eeepc, the eeepc would win, if i had to choose between an old imac or old first gen mac mini and castration with a 12lb sludge hammer, i would take the hammer, less painfull!!!!

[Mussels]

^ CHilly - his point is tjhat while it sucks to us enthusiasts, to the people that never open the case its a step up over a dell.

[ChillyMyst]

something that falls out of my ass is a step up fron a dell desktop!!!

i recently told 2 ppl i know who HAD to buy prebuilts to get the gateway system i linked on the forums recently, they are both quite happy with it, one wishes it had come with an ati card tho as he has some issues with the nvidia drivers tv out fetures under vista(he dosnt have a copy of xp....lol)

there are cheaper more powerfull prebuilts that offer good bang for the buck.

i use to hate dell and gateway, but since acer bought gateway things have gotten better, opened an acer gateway and found that the board was gigabyte, and not some stiped down special order board, a regualr over the counter one just with gateway bios.

hit ctrl+f1 in the bios and bam overclocking and tweaking fetures, not that they overclock very well, but they do overclock!!!

i know what he ment, but thats not exectly how it comes off, at least not to me, WileE and i have had this arguement b4 other places including on the phone :P (hes meh buddy!!)

we endup agreeing to dissagree because, to me its not about having the exect same parts, its about having the same every day perf, and ican get that for a better price else where!!!

[strick94u]

this argument is kinda pointless, there is NO way to prove one way or another as to which os is better, its just opinion, each one has its strengths and weaknesses, MS platforms being cheap, game friendly, you can oc ect..., with a mac its simple to use(pro, maybe a con depending on person), pretty, some nice software of the bat, lower risk of viruses, now for a few cons, MS prebuilts (*cough*dell*cough*) well on a few occasions suck, much more prone to viruses, vista(without tweaking) now for mac very expensive, cant oc, gives you feeling of superiority over pc owners(average consumer, not those with half a brain to see pros and cons) no games, i could make very long lists on each side but it would be pointless, lets agree on one thing the macbooks are nice (not for everyone,like me) but nice, their destops suck completely overpriced, for what you get, but so are dells (the sucking part and sometimes overpriced part)

There is one way to settle it all but it involves Microsoft invation of Cupertino, CA and bombing Apple inc world headquaters. I'm sure Bill Gates has thought of that he has to hate that 10% of another platform exsist :D Bill Gates Is a GOD I tell ya

[das müffin mann]

he does have the resources to pull of such a plan;)

[Wile E]

we endup agreeing to dissagree because, to me its not about having the exect same parts, its about having the same every day perf, and ican get that for a better price else where!!!
That's a pointless argument tho. You can build a cheaper, yet comparable computer compared to ANY prebuilt. The point is, for pre-built computers, Macs are a good value.

Taking it one step further, a MacPro is a good value, even if you considered building an 8 core workstation yourself, as the prices are almost the same.

And you always bring up that mouse argument. It apparently holds about as much worth as my Mediacoder argument. I'm the only one you know that has problems with MC, and you're the only one I know that ever seen a reboot loop on a Mac be caused by a usb device. Both are apparently anomalies. And as such, neither holds water in this debate.