8800gs and 9600 gt ?

[trt740]

What the heck is nvidia doing these are basically the same performance but slightly different physical makeup. I don't understand these two cards they don't make sense and whats even more confusing is a 8800gs 768 mb. Thats cards gonna put a whipping on a 9600 gt 512mb. Nvidia intentionally took key parts of each card too make them equal? Making Zero sense. I thought the 8800gs was made to get rid of lower performing G92 chips but after overclocking mine thats sure not the case. Heck they put in a driver limiting program to slow it down so you cannot really overclock it past 715 or so. I'm not sure what this marketing is all about.

[choppy]

no, nvidia was losing mid-market ot the hd3850 so they needed a quick fix and they got the 8800gs to fill in whilst the 9600gt was under development. now 9600gt is released the 8800gs is useless and will get end-of-life from nvidia , so unlucky all those 8800gs buyers just got done over by nvidia tbh

[Paulieg]

It is certainly confusing. I do yhink they are trying to overwhelm ATI. I just ordered an MSI 9600GT OC and I'm really curious to see how it compares to the 8800GS.

[echostrike]

i want to see the 9600gt up against the 8800gs too. i posted my gs overclock ion the 9600gt/8800gs oc thread-- the driver does not limit the clock b/c mine is at 761 core--stable.


thanks.

[choppy]

you guys need to read wiz's review of the 9600gt http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_9600_GT_Amp_Edition/1.html

look at the head to head in-game comparisons, simply put, 9600gt is a better card

[Silverel]

I don't understand nVidia when they do stuff like this. Maybe they thought they were going to run out of stock like with the initial 8800gt run, so they just brought out both at the same time?

Not to mention, this quarter tends to dry up in consumer spending anyway. For the most part, the people that were going to buy video cards did so a month ago. Guess time will tell...

[Tatty_One]

you guys need to read wiz's review of the 9600gt http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_9600_GT_Amp_Edition/1.html

look at the head to head in-game comparisons, simply put, 9600gt is a better card

But look at the pricing, it's near identical to the 8800GT :eek: and by the looks of it, it is a match for the HD3870.

[Titus]

In France, 9600GT is sold at same price of the 8800 GT 512 :twitch:

9600 Gt could be fine @ better price.

[candle_86]

im about to try my first mod on the 8800GS, installing an XFX 8800GT bios but downclocked the mem to my stock speeds, lets see if i can get 112 SP's

[echostrike]

@ choppy-- how can you say that the 9600gt is clearly a better card than the 8800gs?

That AMP ed card with a 125mhz core overclock scored a mere 61 points over my oc'd 8800gs in 3dmark06. clearly better? (my oc/scores are posted in the 9600gt/8800gs oc thread if you are a non believer)

Also worth noting-- i paid 149 for my 8800gs while that amped is 220 (if you can find one at the price). price perf ratio anyone? 70 dollars for 61 points????


clearly not a decisive victory.

[echostrike]

Go candle go!!! tell me how that mod works-- im very interested!!!

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

id still take a 8800GS over a 9600GT .. the price difference for the same performance? i think nt

[choppy]

@ choppy-- how can you say that the 9600gt is clearly a better card than the 8800gs?

my words were not 'clearly better' i said 'better' as it has greater scores than 8800gs, stock clocked 9600gt's are better than 8800gs, the proof is there and you can get one for as little as $169 and of course this will come down. it aint my fault if nvidia play dumb ass games like this!

tatty, look around uk prices, dabs is cheapest so far for standard @ £112 i think

[candle_86]

Go candle go!!! tell me how that mod works-- im very interested!!!

ok got my bios's done and burning to CD, if i get 112SP who wants to know?

[echostrike]

...ummmm ME!

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

ok got my bios's done and burning to CD, if i get 112SP who wants to know?


me

[Titus]

+10000 :D:D:D

If you win on this game, you'll be the 8800GS ' s God ::respect:

What about lazer burned pipes ?

[echostrike]

c'mon im about to burn my lazer waitin over here...!

[Titus]

wanted to say " Dead pipes lazer destruct " ;)
The 8800GS is built around a G92 which have dead pipes as the others GS series.
The GS series are deficient GPUs ( dead pipes ).

May be NVidia sells G92 surplus, the G94 incoming.
Therefore, some 8800GS could be flashed in 8800GT512 ( bios ? bus ???? :confused:I) unless NVidia burn 16 pipes systemetically :cry:

[echostrike]

yeah i was just being an idiot, i knew what you meant!!!

btw have u thought of volt modding this card at all?

if the 112 show up then they will probably be good for me--but i have such an insane cooler on mine im thinking of voltmodding--i've just never done it before?

can i use nhibitor or would i have to go hardmod?

[candle_86]

negitive shows up 96sp no go boo

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

thumbs down ...

[Titus]

yeah i was just being an idiot, i knew what you meant!!!

btw have u thought of volt modding this card at all?

if the 112 show up then they will probably be good for me--but i have such an insane cooler on mine im thinking of voltmodding--i've just never done it before?

can i use nhibitor or would i have to go hardmod?

:p

I purchased a VF900-Cu this afternoon, a new PSU etc ... to stabilize my O/C.
I doubt i can change pipe number and restore the 16 missing ones.
I didn't see this option in nhibitor :shadedshu

Waiting for Candle's flashing results :cool:

[Tatty_One]

my words were not 'clearly better' i said 'better' as it has greater scores than 8800gs, stock clocked 9600gt's are better than 8800gs, the proof is there and you can get one for as little as $169 and of course this will come down. it aint my fault if nvidia play dumb ass games like this!

tatty, look around uk prices, dabs is cheapest so far for standard @ £112 i think

Well all I can say is that if you can get a 9600Gt in the UK for £112 that is not just awesome, thats probably the best price to performance card EVER released :toast: Give me fooking 3 for tri SLi now.....I will buy the damn motherboard to run it tomorrow!......Very nice.

[Paulieg]

But look at the pricing, it's near identical to the 8800GT :eek: and by the looks of it, it is a match for the HD3870.

I just paid $169 for a MSI 9600GT OC. :)

[Tatty_One]

negitive shows up 96sp no go boo

How are U trying?

[Tatty_One]

I just paid $169 for a MSI 9600GT OC. :)

All I can say is....if I was ATi I would be a tad worried now.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

9600 is 512?

[Solaris17]

9600 is 512mb 256bit bus

[trt740]

I just paid $169 for a MSI 9600GT OC. :)

The 8800 gs has more cpu transistors, more shader processors and when overclocked is more than a match for a 9600 gt even when it's overclocked, but costs less, plus a 192 bit interface is not that much different than a 256 bit interface.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080221/clocks.jpg


http://img.techpowerup.org/080221/clocks 2.jpg

the 9600 gt has 30 shaders less and thats a bunch, it has a few more ropes and a whole bunch less transistors, am I missing something here.

[trt740]

you guys need to read wiz's review of the 9600gt http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_9600_GT_Amp_Edition/1.html

look at the head to head in-game comparisons, simply put, 9600gt is a better card

NVIDIA has not exaggerated when they promised that the GeForce 9600 GT Series would be twice as fast as the GeForce 8600 GT. In our testing it's actually faster than that, which also makes it a commitment on NVIDIA's side that performance gains of other future GeForce 9 products will be just as big. Only future will tell if NVIDIA can really achieve that goal. Even though the product is called GeForce 9 there are no major architectural advancements to call it that in my opinion. The G94 GPU is basically a cut down G92 core without additional features, the production process is still 65 nm too, which is perfectly fine of course but nothing new. However, since the GeForce 9 Series needs a product "9600 GT" it makes sense to release it as that since the GeForce 8 lineup is already pretty crowded.
Zotac's GeForce 9600 GT AMP! Edition comes with faster clocks out of the box to stand out from the crowd of reference cards. The higher core speed makes a nice difference, bringing the card right next to the GeForce 8800 GT in performance. Also the efficient NVIDIA architecture could help win the card the number one spot when it comes to performance per Watt, leaving AMD's closest offering in this category, the HD 3850 256 MB behind by a whopping 14% difference.
Small improvements can also be seen on the Media PC front where AMD's cards have been dominating the market. HDCP support is now included on all GeForce 9600 GT products, on GeForce 8 manufacturers had the choice whether they would include HDCP or not. Most didn't because it increased the card price slightly. The included SPDIF cable is more evidence that NVIDIA is trying to get into this ATI domain. It is now possible straight out of the box to run HMDI+HDCP+Audio. AMD's solution uses a GPU internal sound device while NVIDIA relies on the SPDIF of whatever onboard or sound card you have.
The fan noise of the card is a bit louder than what I had hoped for, but there is still plenty of temperature headroom for adjustments here in future revision. With a price of $199 (and $219 for the Zotac AMP! Edition) the cards are affordable, yet there are better performance per dollar options on the market right now, with the GeForce 8800 GS for example. Also AMD has drastically reduced their HD 3850 and HD 3870 prices to stay competitive.
Overall I would say this is another successful product launch for NVIDIA, hopefully they have enough stock of these cards to satisfy market demand.

[choppy]

Well all I can say is that if you can get a 9600Gt in the UK for £112 that is not just awesome, thats probably the best price to performance card EVER released :toast: Give me fooking 3 for tri SLi now.....I will buy the damn motherboard to run it tomorrow!......Very nice.

@ Tatty: http://www.dabs.com/Article.aspx?NavigationKey=4294966792+4294967288+4 294965616&ArticleID=3885

there you go lad, check them out. okay so the £112 aint in stock but the msi card is in stock @ £116! hows that?!

[Paulieg]

NVIDIA has not exaggerated when they promised that the GeForce 9600 GT Series would be twice as fast as the GeForce 8600 GT. In our testing it's actually faster than that, which also makes it a commitment on NVIDIA's side that performance gains of other future GeForce 9 products will be just as big. Only future will tell if NVIDIA can really achieve that goal. Even though the product is called GeForce 9 there are no major architectural advancements to call it that in my opinion. The G94 GPU is basically a cut down G92 core without additional features, the production process is still 65 nm too, which is perfectly fine of course but nothing new. However, since the GeForce 9 Series needs a product "9600 GT" it makes sense to release it as that since the GeForce 8 lineup is already pretty crowded.
Zotac's GeForce 9600 GT AMP! Edition comes with faster clocks out of the box to stand out from the crowd of reference cards. The higher core speed makes a nice difference, bringing the card right next to the GeForce 8800 GT in performance. Also the efficient NVIDIA architecture could help win the card the number one spot when it comes to performance per Watt, leaving AMD's closest offering in this category, the HD 3850 256 MB behind by a whopping 14% difference.
Small improvements can also be seen on the Media PC front where AMD's cards have been dominating the market. HDCP support is now included on all GeForce 9600 GT products, on GeForce 8 manufacturers had the choice whether they would include HDCP or not. Most didn't because it increased the card price slightly. The included SPDIF cable is more evidence that NVIDIA is trying to get into this ATI domain. It is now possible straight out of the box to run HMDI+HDCP+Audio. AMD's solution uses a GPU internal sound device while NVIDIA relies on the SPDIF of whatever onboard or sound card you have.
The fan noise of the card is a bit louder than what I had hoped for, but there is still plenty of temperature headroom for adjustments here in future revision. With a price of $199 (and $219 for the Zotac AMP! Edition) the cards are affordable, yet there are better performance per dollar options on the market right now, with the GeForce 8800 GS for example. Also AMD has drastically reduced their HD 3850 and HD 3870 prices to stay competitive.
Overall I would say this is another successful product launch for NVIDIA, hopefully they have enough stock of these cards to satisfy market demand.

Well, at the $219 price of the AMP, I would agree. However at the MSI price of $169 and $179 for the EVGA, the 9600GT seems the better buy. We'll have to continue to compare the two as more of us have both of these cards. I'll have my 9600GT next tuesday.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

i still think 8800GS is a better buy ...

[Paulieg]

_FBi;669583']i still think 8800GS is a better buy ...

Maybe. I do think it's hard to tell right now. What happens if the MSI 9600GT stays around $169, and it overclocks like crazy? Is the GS still the better buy? Not to mention the MSI has a newly designed "seeweed" cooler for their 9600GT. I want to see some real life benches before I draw any conclusions.

[wolf]

the 192 bit bus is going to hurt as the months pass, but having more shaders will but it some ground, tit for tat imo.

[erocker]

All I can say is....if I was ATi I would be a tad worried now.

I'm wondering and hoping we may see a ramp-up with R700. Hopefully another price cut too.:)

[trt740]

Well, at the $219 price of the AMP, I would agree. However at the MSI price of $169 and $179 for the EVGA, the 9600GT seems the better buy. We'll have to continue to compare the two as more of us have both of these cards. I'll have my 9600GT next tuesday.

Why is it a better buy the 8800gs is faster when overclocked. If it is not faster it is neck and neck. I would be willing to bet also with 30 less shaders in really intense games like MMOG 8800 gs is going to pull away big time. Having said this mine may go back i'm not happy with my ram . It runs fine but overheats after a few minutes at DDR1000 . It could be the cooler and I know XFX used slightly less expensive ram on these cards. I have a dual orb on the way, which also makes it more expensive 192.00 or so with the new cooler. Who knows I could be wrong it seems 64 shaders is a low low number. The ropes may make up for them. If It turns out better I may trade my 8800 gs for one but some how in the end atleast on paper the 8800gs has a bit more muscle. Also for 199.00, after a rebate, you can buy a 8800 gt 512mb with a upgraded cooler and it for sure is alot faster when overclocked than a 9600 gt and 8800 gs.

[Solaris17]

we will see when paul gets his.....he has a quad we will see the real performance not from my crippled system....and then the scores will fly...i personally think the 9600GT will score better.

[wolf]

its crazy, now is really getting to be a point where no matter what brand or card you buy, youll get great performance for your money, theres jsut no losing!

[trt740]

the 192 bit bus is going to hurt as the months pass, but having more shaders will but it some ground, tit for tat imo.

192 is still very large.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

tell me more of this seewead cooler

[wolf]

well in my opinion 256 bit is cutting it close now, to go down at this point was like putting 128 bit on the 8600's i was heartbroken!

192 is sufficient, but as time passes we'll see how it compares....

[Solaris17]

our cooler is weird....when you take it off....it kinda looks like this


http://img.techpowerup.org/080221/cooler.jpg


http://resources.vr-zone.com/yantronic/9600gt/tm62/IMG_9911.jpg

[trt740]

we will see when paul gets his.....he has a quad we will see the real performance not from my crippled system....and then the scores will fly...i personally think the 9600GT will score better.

not for that money this is a better choice than the amp.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127329

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

how nvidia so cheap, whaapen to the copper?

[Solaris17]

the copper is their......the cooler breaks up into 3 layers top those fins and stuff and a copper base...its odd...but it keeps this thing real cool. 66ºC is the max i get and it isnt loud at all

[trt740]

Maybe. I do think it's hard to tell right now. What happens if the MSI 9600GT stays around $169, and it overclocks like crazy? Is the GS still the better buy? Not to mention the MSI has a newly designed "seeweed" cooler for their 9600GT. I want to see some real life benches before I draw any conclusions.

You won't get many good benches from me my x3210 is not a ultra overclocker like my last one it only does 1700Mhz over stock, unlike the prior which did 2.0Mhz overclocking over stock. I cannot bench higher than 3.8Mhz. Plus my 8800gs has the lower grade ram and only does DDR3 1860Mhz effective.

[Paulieg]

Why is it a better buy the 8800gs is faster when overclocked. If it is not faster it is neck and neck. I would be willing to bet also with 30 less shaders in really intense games like MMOG 8800 gs is going to pull away big time. Having said this mine may go back i'm not happy with my ram . It runs fine but overheats after a few minutes at DDR1000 . It could be the cooler and I know XFX used slightly less expensive ram on these cards. I have a dual orb on the way, which also makes it more expensive 192.00 or so with the new cooler. Who knows I could be wrong it seems 64 shaders is a low low number. The ropes may make up for them. If It turns out better I may trade my 8800 gs for one but some how in the end atleast on paper the 8800gs has a bit more muscle. Also for 199.00, after a rebate, you can buy a 8800 gt 512mb with a upgraded cooler and it for sure is alot faster when overclocked than a 9600 gt and 8800 gs.

I almost went for that $199 MSI GT, but they were sold out and I was too tempted to try a new gpu. I did realize after I made the purchase that my 9600gt is the stock cooler version (there was not a picture, as it was just listed). Also, the price went up to $176 just hours after I bought it. I'm looking forward to seeing how it compares. If my benches are anything like W1z had on the 9600gt he reviewed, not only will it beat the gs, but it will give a 3870 a run.

[trt740]

Maybe. I do think it's hard to tell right now. What happens if the MSI 9600GT stays around $169, and it overclocks like crazy? Is the GS still the better buy? Not to mention the MSI has a newly designed "seeweed" cooler for their 9600GT. I want to see some real life benches before I draw any conclusions.



http://img.techpowerup.org/080222/8800gs.jpg

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

very good!

[trt740]

_FBi;669933']very good!

and remember I have the version with crappy ram if I could break 1030MHz like other gs cards look out.

[Paulieg]

and remember I have the version with crappy ram if I could break 1030MHz like other gs cards look out.

Nice run Tom. Who would have thought we'd have "mid range" gpu's at $159-180 fly like this?

[trt740]

Nice run Tom. Who would have thought we'd have "mid range" gpu's at $159-180 fly like this?

no considering this card destroys a 7900gtx a 500.00 card a few years ago. I only wish it had a little better ram it falls short by about 80 Mhz because XFX went cheap still 486Mhz effective overclock on the memory is not bad. it will be interesting to see how it does with a dual orb on it. the orbs only a moderatly good cooler but we will see. Was gonna get a Accelerro s1 but some people get turned off by it's size when you resell. The thermalright coolers make it stupid to buy this card if you are gonna strap a 60.00 cooler with fan on it. So I went cheap and got a dual orb 34.00, not the best but not bad either, and a single slot solution plus it is good looking.

[candle_86]

How are U trying?

direct flash of an 8800GT bios, NVidia bios's are not ram specfic, just core specfic on an interesting note it reports 6rops which leads me to think somein

[choppy]

its funny to see the guys with an 8800gs: "no my card is better than the 9600gt!" guys the gs was a fill-in-the-gap card whilst they got the 9600gt ready. now the 9600gt is here, 8800gs is out of here! of course the price of the gt is gonna drop as ati is loowering theirs. what will you say when the gt is the same price as the gs, is the gs still a better buy then?

if you got a gs then cool ur basically on par with a gt but not quite. if u want a new card buy a gt, simple

[candle_86]

well the GS is cheaper and is a decent card, it does what i want, and the GT 9600 or 8800 isnt to much faster to warrant an upgrade honestly. Maybe the 9800GT when it settles in a price bracket thats reasonable

[Paulieg]

its funny to see the guys with an 8800gs: "no my card is better than the 9600gt!" guys the gs was a fill-in-the-gap card whilst they got the 9600gt ready. now the 9600gt is here, 8800gs is out of here! of course the price of the gt is gonna drop as ati is loowering theirs. what will you say when the gt is the same price as the gs, is the gs still a better buy then?

if you got a gs then cool ur basically on par with a gt but not quite. if u want a new card buy a gt, simple

How about we reserve judgement until we have some more direct comparisons? I and a few other will have the 9600GT by next week, and then we will see.

[Titus]

How about we reserve judgement until we have some more direct comparisons? I and a few other will have the 9600GT by next week, and then we will see.

Good idea but the real response will come when someone will realize a fight 8800GS / 9600GT on the same plateform :cool:

Too much perfs level between results withe the same card but on different plateforms.

So, which 8800 GS owner will go on 9600GT to test ? :D

[Solaris17]

I wish i had a better proc i want core 2 sooooo abd...but hopefully with paul getting one....he will not only be able to get like the 10 and 11000 stock that most ppl get but if he OC's like me he might be able to beat the 8800GS....i mean i can push like 95/9700 with my card.....and thats with a slow amd dual core. i want core 2 soooo abd but things are looking up i might just get one.

[Paulieg]

I wish i had a better proc i want core 2 sooooo abd...but hopefully with paul getting one....he will not only be able to get like the 10 and 11000 stock that most ppl get but if he OC's like me he might be able to beat the 8800GS....i mean i can push like 95/9700 with my card.....and thats with a slow amd dual core. i want core 2 soooo abd but things are looking up i might just get one.

Yeah, it will be OC'd..no question. I have my x3220 stable at 3.7ghz now, so I sould be able to max out what this card is capable of. :D

[Titus]

Which frequency for a C2D to exploite max power of these cards?
Are 3.2GHz enough for my E6750 or have i to push it a bit more as 3.6GHz ?

[choppy]

Which frequency for a C2D to exploite max power of these cards?
Are 3.2GHz enough for my E6750 or have i to push it a bit more as 3.6GHz ?

3.2ghz is enough i think! i read somewhere anything above 2.6ghz is good

[echostrike]

when i upped my e2180 from 3ghz to 3.15ghz i got a 500 point leap in 3dmk06. this tells me that my card is still cpu limited.

wish I could've benched with the e8400 i just sold!!! (4ghz of bliss!!!!)

[Titus]

3.2ghz is enough i think! i read somewhere anything above 2.6ghz is good

Wen I boot on 2.8 or 3.2, the results are so different ! That's why i ask for CPU limited factor end.

I'm disappointed by this so great CPU need for so " cheap" ( middle range ) cards !!!
For a GTX card what's for ? 4 quad core @ 5Ghz each ? :banghead::mad:

[lie495s14]

This is how i see it. 8800gs is guy who has long arms but short legs, and 9600gt is a guy who has short arms but long legs. neither of them could slam dunk.

[Titus]

This is how i see it. 8800gs is guy who has long arms but short legs, and 9600gt is a guy who has short arms but long legs. neither of them could slam dunk.

Twice have legs shorted by CPU ... their perfs may be similar in sprite of different choice of architecture ( 192bit-96pipes VS 256bit-64pipes ).

Great CPU owners with middle range cards as these are not the most frequent among TPU community.

[trt740]

its funny to see the guys with an 8800gs: "no my card is better than the 9600gt!" guys the gs was a fill-in-the-gap card whilst they got the 9600gt ready. now the 9600gt is here, 8800gs is out of here! of course the price of the gt is gonna drop as ati is loowering theirs. what will you say when the gt is the same price as the gs, is the gs still a better buy then?

if you got a gs then cool ur basically on par with a gt but not quite. if u want a new card buy a gt, simple

the 8800gs and 9600 gt perform almost exactly the same when overclocked if they were the same price it wouldn't matter unless you didn't overclock.

[Titus]

What's great in these cards is their ratio price/perf. Lot of members of TPU are students, young with no job to paid an expensive card as 8800 GTs or GTX or high end last release.

It's easy saying " why not spend 50$ more and buy this or this card " .
8800GS or 9600GT are two reasonably priced cards whith honorable results on games, even on lasts larges LCD displays ( i'm on 22" @ 1680X1050 ).

Just enjoy this cards, O/C them for max pleasure :D

[Solaris17]

What's great in these cards is their ratio price/perf. Lot of members of TPU are students, young with no job to paid an expensive card as 8800 GTs or GTX or high end last release.

It's easy saying " why not spend 50$ more and buy this or this card " .
8800GS or 9600GT are two reasonably priced cards whith honorable results on games, even on lasts larges LCD displays ( i'm on 22" @ 1680X1050 ).

Just enjoy this cards, O/C them for max pleasure :D

ya im going to admit TPU was kinda a buzz kill after the 8800GS came out...because of my proc and stuff ppl started telling me how much my card blew...kinda made me feel bad thats why i stopped paying attention....i mean we should compair benches on systems more similar than mine so ppl know for sure...but after that who cares if the 8800 scores 1000 more points than mine? we know which card is better so let it be no need to bash ppl's cards....and their hasnt even been a fair comparison till paul gets his....i mean who cares anyway?....1000 points in 3dmark 06 isnt going to make anyone play crysis anybetter..in the end were all gonna be stuck under 25 fps...so were all still losers to the games were trying to show each other up at.

[Paulieg]

ya im going to admit TPU was kinda a buzz kill after the 8800GS came out...because of my proc and stuff ppl started telling me how much my card blew...kinda made me feel bad thats why i stopped paying attention....i mean we should compair benches on systems more similar than mine so ppl know for sure...but after that who cares if the 8800 scores 1000 more points than mine? we know which card is better so let it be no need to bash ppl's cards....and their hasnt even been a fair comparison till paul gets his....i mean who cares anyway?....1000 points in 3dmark 06 isnt going to make anyone play crysis anybetter..in the end were all gonna be stuck under 25 fps...so were all still losers to the games were trying to show each other up at.

I really think for the most part it's just very friendly competition, until someone gets way too serious about video cards.Bashing other people's gpu's is just immature. For me, benching is the game. I probably run 3dmark06 way more than I play anything (except maybe Madden 08), so I want to see how my best effort at OC'ing and tweaking the gpu, cpu and mb compares to others. I know when it comes down to a fair competition, trt740 and I will be relatively well matched, as we are both running Quad core xeons overclocked beyond 3.6ghz.

[Solaris17]

ya i know lol i run benches more than i run crysis oblivion etc...i wish those were supported by xfire...hey paul when u get it join my club!! k thnx :)

[candle_86]

lol ill admit ur card is faster than mine

[Titus]

+1 this competition is just a way to put into perspective our system performances .
3DM06 is a common way doing it.

As said, a super score on benches doesn't mean a card is better than another on game.
If 1000 3D Mark 06 points allow 1 or 2 FPS more in games, that's not representative of cards power.

The real question may be : buying an old generation 8800 card or a brand new 9600 ?
G94 core doesn't offer great technical news. Some press ppl said 9X00 series name is just a merchandising argument to give illusion of a real new tech, a way to generalize the news supplyed by G92 core ( PCI-E 2 ... ).

[Tatty_One]

when i upped my e2180 from 3ghz to 3.15ghz i got a 500 point leap in 3dmk06. this tells me that my card is still cpu limited.

wish I could've benched with the e8400 i just sold!!! (4ghz of bliss!!!!)

perhaps but remember you are increasing the individual CPU score within the test, you need to compare the increses in the CPU and the two graphic test results to get an overall picture of where the benefit is going.

[Titus]

perhaps but remember you are increasing the individual CPU score within the test, you need to compare the increses in the CPU and the two graphic test results to get an overall picture of where the benefit is going.

+1 ;)
When I bench on several CPU frequencies, my score graw up but when i look at GFX score participation, it's not so great :laugh:

[Solaris17]

for example...even though trt scored like 13000 our sm scores are like less than 100pts off..yet he scored thousands of marks above me...

[Titus]

The eternal story of " who ownes bigger one ? " :D:D:D
ahhhhh, human being :rolleyes: what's comfort for our male soul and our money investment :cool: