X800 fuses data for unlocking

[dolf]

hi dolf, where I can find the modified (12 pipe) original BIOS ?
thanks

edit: I have the equal card to that one of user hajnalka

You can find modified flashrom here: http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/100

Post your original BIOS to mod it.

Did you see your laser-cuts area (top-right side of the core)?

[Matthew]

ok thanks dolf, now i attach my original bios and mod i have made on the chip... the chip is x800se
i have another question for you: i want open my bios with radedit, but the program tell me that is no valid bios, I'm successful to open only with rabit 1.5...why?

[dolf]

For oppening of X800 BIOSes you will need RaBit 1.7. Post fuses after hardmod and try flashing with X800PRO BIOS until I prepare the modded. I personally prefer to use ATI BIOSes.

Here it is the BIOS with 12 pipes I hope ;) :

[ShadowFlare]

Heres what my fuses data say:

Config_Die_Fuses 0xFFFF3FFF
Config_Substrate_Fuses 0xFFFFFF9D
Config_Rom_Fuses 0x862
GB_Pipe_Select 0x31344

Anything i can do with this?

Its a powercolor card with dual dvi. I think its an x800xt pcb?

Is it worth me taking the heatsink off and seeing what core it is?

Its got samsung 1.6ns ram. its running at 550/590 fine atm.
You have a Powercolor X800 GT, right? You probably won't be able to get any pipelines unlocked, but take a look here for something else performance-related: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=6056

[dolf]

ShadowFlare it is comparable with the situation with the 9800's with R350 and R360 cores. Due to some optimisation in R360 they performed different even at equal clocks and always R360 wons with 200-300 points in 3DMark03.

[ShadowFlare]

Oh, so then this kind of thing has happened before. On those did you have to flash the bios to get it recognized as R360 or was there no different bios for it?

[rooban]

Can my card be modded?
Connect3D Radeon X800GTO 256Mb DDR3 TV-out DVI VIVO RETAIL PCI Express [C3DX800GTO]

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[ThePhased]

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looks to me like you have the same fuse data as I do. so unfortunately, no it can’t be modded to 16p.

Mine connect3d x800 gto overclocks pretty well though. I have it at 550mhz/1060mhz (530mhz). I'm sure I can push it a bit more though, have not really stressed it yet much higher than this.

[rooban]

looks to me like you have the same fuse data as I do. so unfortunately, no it can’t be modded to 16p.

Mine connect3d x800 gto overclocks pretty well though. I have it at 550mhz/1060mhz (530mhz). I'm sure I can push it a bit more though, have not really stressed it yet much higher than this.

ok:/

U clock it too 550mhz with standard bios and standard cooling? And what about memory cpu how much?

[Matthew]

hello dolf, i have anoter question for you:
my Config_Rom_Fuses is 0x22 before hardmod.... and is 0x22 after the hardmod.
After the hardmod it would have to be 0x21?
it is possible that I have not made in the just way the hardmod?
can i try to flash your bios or is useless?
thanks vary much... if i come in your country I pay to you from drink :toast: :D

[ShadowFlare]

hello dolf, i have anoter question for you:
my Config_Rom_Fuses is 0x22 before hardmod.... and is 0x22 after the hardmod.
After the hardmod it would have to be 0x21?
it is possible that I have not made in the just way the hardmod?
can i try to flash your bios or is useless?
thanks vary much... if i come in your country I pay to you from drink :toast: :D
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES is a setting in the bios. You won't get any pipelines unlocked until you flash the bios to get the last digit changed to a 1 or 0.

[dolf]

Oh, so then this kind of thing has happened before. On those did you have to flash the bios to get it recognized as R360 or was there no different bios for it?

The 9800XT BIOS was built for R360 but some "normal" 9800PRO's and all the PRO's after stopping of R350 production was with R360. In order to have these litle extras (optimisations) in R360 versus R350 it was necessary to flash the BIOS. It was a sign for the drivers to allow these optimisations to work.

[ShadowFlare]

The 9800XT BIOS was built for R360 but some "normal" 9800PRO's and all the PRO's after stopping of R350 production was with R360. In order to have these litle extras (optimisations) in R360 versus R350 it was necessary to flash the BIOS. It was a sign for the drivers to allow these optimisations to work.
That sounds like it is exactly the same thing as with what can be done with the R480 X800 GT cards. BTW, the X800 GT seems to be the only X800 series card that some have an R480, but that the driver doesn't say it can (in the .inf file).

[l33t_c0w]

I just purchased a Connect3D x800 GTO. I tried to flash it, and it seemed to work, but afterwards, ATITool still reported 12 pipes. ATITool says it's a r423, and when i entered "flashrom -l 0" it said something about the bios being locked. These're my fuse data.

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES = 0xEFF3DFFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES = 0xFFFFF71E
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES = 0x860
GB_PIPE_SELECT = 0xAD46

Am I out of luck or is there something I can do to get this baby modded into 16 pipes?

[Dega]

I just purchased a Connect3D x800 GTO. I tried to flash it, and it seemed to work, but afterwards, ATITool still reported 12 pipes. ATITool says it's a r423, and when i entered "flashrom -l 0" it said something about the bios being locked. These're my fuse data.

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES = 0xEFF3DFFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES = 0xFFFFF71E
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES = 0x860
GB_PIPE_SELECT = 0xAD46

Am I out of luck or is there something I can do to get this baby modded into 16 pipes?

Im having the same problem, and everyone on newegg SWEARS that this card is unlockable... please help us!

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES : 0xEFF3EFFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES : 0xFFFFF71E
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES : 0x861
GB_PIPE_SELECT : 0x6E48

R423

[curiousg]

Same here waiting on response. Connect3D x800 GTO

[noneed4me2]

it seems someone told connect3d to stop making moddable cards, or they just ran out of the ones that could be modded. Either way it seems newer cards coming out can't be modded, at least not with just a bios flash anymore. I got mine from tigerdirect about 2 and a half months ago, and there are only 2 reviews for this product mine and someone else, so maybe they still have older ones lying around.

[dolf]

For the above 3 cards with these fuses nobody can help you to unlock more pipes UNFORTUNATELY. There are two possibilities for Connect3D:
They have finished all 16 pipe R423 (X800XT) because they should do like that (nobody will buy the expensive generation after the lunch of the new R520 like it happens with 9800XT).

Or ATI (this could be our "someone" i suppose :cool: ) said to them to stop with the moddable cards (I think that first is more likely).

[Stilt]

Unfortunately the new Connect3D X800GTO Vivo cards are all "locked".
I just tested almost 50 Connect3D cards and none of them had pipelines that could be unlocked.

The results:

All the cards had lasercut, so no wonder that all of them had the same Substrate_Fuse data: 0xFFFFF71E.

When I reconnected the trace, ATITool displayed 0xFFFFF71F value for Substrate_Fuse http://www.akiba-pc.com/3BFFF-71F.PNG

Unlike for Substrate_Fuses, there was four different Die_Fuse values displayed for the cards.

12 cards had value of 0xEFF3BFFF http://www.akiba-pc.com/3BFFF.PNG
13 cards had value of 0xEFF3DFFF http://www.akiba-pc.com/3DFFF.PNG
7 cards had value of 0xEFF3EFFF http://www.akiba-pc.com/3EFFF.PNG
16 cards had value of 0xEFF37FFF http://www.akiba-pc.com/37FFF.PNG

[Roberto72]

The values 7,B,D,and E are showing which (I think) pipelines are enabled
7 => 0111
B => 1011
D => 1101
E => 1110

So al 4 values have 3 highs (enabled pipelines) and 1 low (disabled pipeline). The fact that they didn't disable the same pipeline on every card means that that pipeline is disabled for a specific reason. (this is only my theory)

I have a x800se.
After connecting the lasercut CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES changed also last D became a F

[ShadowFlare]

The values 7,B,D,and E are showing which (I think) pipelines are enabled
7 => 0111
B => 1011
D => 1101
E => 1110

So al 4 values have 3 highs (enabled pipelines) and 1 low (disabled pipeline). The fact that they didn't disable the same pipeline on every card means that that pipeline is disabled for a specific reason. (this is only my theory)

I have a x800se.
After connecting the lasercut CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES changed also last D became a F
Hmm, it looks like you may be right on that. Assuming you are right, the configurations for 8 pipelines would be these:

3 => 0011
5 => 0101
6 => 0110
9 => 1001
A => 1010
C => 1100

I have seen some of those on 8 pipeline cards.

[ThePhased]

Stilt, interesting test. Thats quite a lot of work you did to test 50. You must own a shop or something.

Now we know for sure that all the new cards are locked. and a reconnecting through the laser cut still doesnt enable the 16p. This is because the fuse data tells us the max is 12. Where is the fuse data held, in the chip itself? There is no way we can enable them through a hardmod?

[twiple]

Connect3d 3038

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES = 0xEFF3BFFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES = 0xFFFFF71E
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES = 0x861
GB_PIPE_SELECT = 0x12B84

I traded out an X800XL for this card thinking I'd get VIVO and a nice boost. Given, with the high clocks and 12 pipes, this C3d is faster by a small margin... but still, I feel robbed going from 16 to 12 pipes... :banghead:

I've gone through the last few pages of this thread a few times and it appears that I'm simply SOL with these FUSES. But still, there seems to be conflicting information posted.

If I were to look at my chip, I'm assuming that I would find a laser cut that according to this thread will change the CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES to 0xFFFFF71F if I rejoin. So why are these cards still being stated as unlockable? Is it a function of stability with the extra pipes or are the extra pipes completely locked away through something other than the laser cut?

[curiousg]

For the above 3 cards with these fuses nobody can help you to unlock more pipes UNFORTUNATELY. There are two possibilities for Connect3D:
They have finished all 16 pipe R423 (X800XT) because they should do like that (nobody will by the expensive generation after the lunch of the new R520 like it happens with 9800XT).

Or ATI (this could be our "someone" i suppose :cool: ) said to them to stop with the moddable cards (I think that first is more likely).

That would explain when I received my Retail Connect3D X800 GTO the static bag was open and a new piece of tape was applied. I was ready to RMA on this fact alone feeling the product was used. I still have time, but it still a good card comming from a ATI 9600 pro.
:cry:

OH and thanks for the reply Dolf :)

[noneed4me2]

its possible that connect3d ran out of cards with 16 fully functional pipes, and that their intent was never to release a moddable card. I don't know how each company does quality control, but if ATI's intent was to compete better with Nvidia in the midrange market it would make sense for them to release cards as quickly as possible and that some earlier pcbs that didn't pass xt pe standards but still functioned very closely to those specs ie: 16pipes but slower clocks, they sell those off first, but as production probably stops for retooling to newer chipsets like r520 they sell off pcbs that have even lower quality like ones that have 1 or 2 pipe quads not working at all but maybe good clocks which then become either GTs or GTOs. This has the benefits of burning off old stock in preperations for newer chipsets coming out. Companies that jumped on the GTO manufacturing quickly probably got their hands on better rated pcbs. I have seen GTOS modded and have clocks that don't seem to universally the same. Mine overclocks good but i have read about others that clock even better after modding. I am curious how a company decides which chip to use in their GTOs, why one would choose r480, r423 or any other x800 chipset as Sapphire seemed to almost purposely set out to have their r480 GTOs to modded out the gate, where as connect3d seemed lowkey and for awhile alot of people didn't even believe other cards could be modded at all. Even now you can still get C3d GTOs for less than $200 US, where as most places have upped Sapphire GTOs to prices closer to standard X800 XLs (Newegg I am looking at you). I was set to get a Sapphire GTO2 until i saw the prices, and was going to get the Powercolor GT until i read some reviews about the C3d X800 GTO. Even after i got the card i at first was hesitant and when i finally decided to go for it I had a hard time modding it and was scared to fry my new graphics card. Finding an ATI 16p X800 for less than 200 was impossible, with Ebay probably being the exception, but i wanted to put my purchases together and have some kind of Retail warranty recourse if something was bad once i set it up. This is all speculation and info i grabbed from all the articles i have read. Enough rambling I am going play Doom 3 and enjoy the blessing the Lord has bestowed on me for now. :pimp:

[twiple]

That would explain when I received my Retail Connect3D X800 GTO the static bag was open and a new piece of tape was applied. I was ready to RMA on this fact alone feeling the product was used. I still have time, but it still a good card comming from a ATI 9600 pro.


I've been thinking the same thing. The static bag my card came in (from newegg) appeared to have been factory packaged, however, there was a yellow sticker used to seal the bag where there were pieces left from an older seal. I too was ready to RMA for having received what appeared to be a used card... Chances are the RMA would end up being a waste of time and money...

[curiousg]

I've been thinking the same thing. The static bag my card came in (from newegg) appeared to have been factory packaged, however, there was a yellow sticker used to seal the bag where there were pieces left from an older seal. I too was ready to RMA for having received what appeared to be a used card... Chances are the RMA would end up being a waste of time and money...

Yeah same place here, with same yellow sticker. The only reason why I didn't RMA then was I had made the jump from a AGP motherboard to PCIE on 754 socket platform. I had the AGP Saph X800 GTO, lot of artifacts no overclockability, The performance gain from this card is much better. I couldnt find a better way to be stuck. Besides the $179.00 and $25 rebate makes this a no brainer. :toast:

[twiple]

The chances of receiving a slower cored R480 also stop me from RMA. However, with 30 days to watch and decide, I'll be looking to see if it's just a small batch that isn't unlockable... maybe just the batch with the $25 rebate. :laugh:

[Dega]

Hmm after reading that test on those 50 cards i think im outta luck... i was thinking of sending it back and getting a replacement but it seems it will only be a waste of money.

What do you guys think? send it back and PRAY that i get a moddable card or just be happy with what i got ?

:)

[noneed4me2]

unless you plan on trying again elswhere i wouldn't count on getting a moddable card from the same place. Most retailers i would think would rotate old stock out. Be happy is good too cause the x800 GTO is still an awesome card for the price. Its hella cool.

[introstand]

I have a HIS x800gt. AtiTool says R423.

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES = 0xFFFF9FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES = 0xFFFFFF9D
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES = 0x862
GB_PIPE_SELECT = 0x19940

I it possible for me to unlock any pipelines? I have 8 active at the moment...

Do I really have to remove the fan i check the core? Is there any help if I tell you that the max core was 609 and mem 603 using AtiTool?

[grengy009]

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xFFFF7FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xFFFFFF9E
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES 0x861
GB_PIPE_SELECT 0x227A4

connect3d x850 pro agp moddable?

[l33t_c0w]

Connect3d 3038

If I were to look at my chip, I'm assuming that I would find a laser cut that according to this thread will change the CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES to 0xFFFFF71F if I rejoin. So why are these cards still being stated as unlockable? Is it a function of stability with the extra pipes or are the extra pipes completely locked away through something other than the laser cut?

Thirded. :)

It sounds like bridging the cut should allow the bios flash. But Stilt said that didn't work, I thought. Would any of the more knowledgable people feel like explaining how it works? I'm intensely curious now...

On another note, I'm considering RMAing this card and getting a sapphire gto2. Would anything be wrong with trying to RMA a card that I failed to flash twice and had overclocked for a short period of time? (i just was running the test on atitool out of a sort of "watch the numbers go up" interest. aborted when it got above 70 C)

[ShadowFlare]

Thirded. :)

It sounds like bridging the cut should allow the bios flash. But Stilt said that didn't work, I thought. Would any of the more knowledgable people feel like explaining how it works? I'm intensely curious now...

On another note, I'm considering RMAing this card and getting a sapphire gto2. Would anything be wrong with trying to RMA a card that I failed to flash twice and had overclocked for a short period of time? (i just was running the test on atitool out of a sort of "watch the numbers go up" interest. aborted when it got above 70 C)
If you do, then make sure you go back to the original bios.

[Pussycat]

Hi there!

My card is a Sapphire X800 GTO PCIe. Core is R480 (printed on the chip and reported by ATITool). I didn't see a lasercut when I took off the cooler, but I didn't really look for it either.

Information:

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES: 0xFFFF7FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES: 0xFFFFFF9E
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES: 0x261
GB_PIPE_SELECT: 0x227A4


It overclocks to 500/540 without artifacts, but not much further.

So ist's not moddable. But what if I reconnect the lasercut (if it's there...)? Will that allow flashing? So far I haven't read anything final on that and Stilt didn't say anything about it either.

[genijalcin@23]

Hi...

I have a PowerColor X800GT eng. sample...I tried to flash X850 XT BIOS, but still i got 8 pipes. Any chance of getting 12 pipelines or maybe 16?

[dolf]

Roberto72 and ShadowFlare your deductions about the meaning of the fuses have to be correct :) .
On the cores with 8 and 12 pipes not always one and the same pipe quads are disabled and it is indisputable fact.

Usually the bad or not so good quads are eliminated by cutting of the power supply in certain points (I presume that it is a "pilot" power supply for the quads).

From my experience with these (R4XX) cores I can say that there is number of different power managing electric circuits (at minimum 3 different voltages coming from the AGP /PCIX/ and the board). Here is not included the main core-power supply. I think that these voltages are operationl for the main power supply. But it is not very important because we can't reconnect the already cutted parts from the back side of the core. We can just comment the results :shadedshu .

One more thing on the cores with laser cuts (R420, R423) the fuse format is different than on those without laser cuts.
On R480 is always clear how many pipes you can have looking the registers.

But on R420, R423 we have to take care about the laser cut on the right especially because it seems that almost all cores can work with 12 pipes. I think that could be interesting for the owners of such cards.

[introstand]

Canb somebody just tell me if there is anything I can do with my card.

HIS x800gt, R423

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES = 0xFFFF9FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES = 0xFFFFFF9D
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES = 0x862
GB_PIPE_SELECT = 0x19940

[dolf]

Introstand your core should be R480 not R423 (looking fuses). The only thing that you can do is to see it (remove the cooler) and if it is R480 to flash with BIOS for R480. No additional pipes are possible if the core is R480 (it should be R480) but by flashing with R480 BIOS you can gain additional performance with your 8 pipes.

[ThePhased]

unless you plan on trying again elswhere i wouldn't count on getting a moddable card from the same place. Most retailers i would think would rotate old stock out. Be happy is good too cause the x800 GTO is still an awesome card for the price. Its hella cool.

Yeah thats my feeling too. This card overclocks very well in my small confined Antec Aria case. I am more than happy with this card even though i couldnt get the 16pipes. It is worlds better than my ati 9700.

But i do have to ask you if it really is "hella cool" because you seem so cal to me..your in san bernardino right? I use hella, but im hella nor cal. Well I guess im central cal now, since im in monterey.

[noneed4me2]

Just a little South Park reference. I have family in North Cal (Oroville) and all the way up to Ashlen Oregon (unsure spelling) I benched my card before mod and was up to 5200+ in 3dmark05, it really is a great card for the price. Plays Doom 3 and Half Life 2 no problem ANd is a good holdover till I upgrade to x1000 class gpu, which will probably be a year or more. My kids just love all the new games they can play. My 4 year old just loves fps's and can play Halo without cheats now. Whats funny i remember researching cards and alot of reviews said Halo couldn't be playable with eyecandy on, on anything below radeon 9600xt. on my old intel board p3 1.2ghz 512mb ram i had an AIW Radeon 32mb, one of the first that came out. I played Halo fine on lower settings but wanted to play it with a DX9 card so i got a Powercolor 9550se 128mb(64bit instead of 128bit interface) for 40 bucks and set all the features high at 1024/768 and it played great. It was only when I got my new PC that i wanted something semi kickass, so i researched everything ,went with PCIe and AMD 64 939 for future proofing, and decided to get a midrange card. Nothing wrong with Nvidia but i have used Radeons for so long decided to stay with what worked for me. I almost got the Powercolor x800gt as no place had GTO2s at a reasonable price (200 and below was my price limit). Saw the 12 pipe C3D GTO at Tigerdirect for a little more and went with that. I didn't even know the card was moddable till after I got it, being new (noob)to the forums. I have learned alot since upgrading, as i would have gotten a 9600np instead of the 9550se. I am not new to PCs, have built a few in the past for friends and family, but so much has changed since i started on my old Commodore 64 (first PC was a IBM 486 model i still have):pimp:

[grengy009]

is my card moddable? back on pg 54? plz sum1 help me i really wana get 4 pipelines

[noneed4me2]

grengy009 im not a pro on the fuse data but it sure looks close to moddable to me, and th agp ones seem to mod pretty well do a search on that card in the forum to see which bios to use. You might want to check your core to.

[chris]

Any idea if i can mod my card to run on 16pipelines?
My gpu uses R480 core which manage to work at 550core/590memory without any crashed on stock cooling.
Help~~~!:D

[Roberto72]

But on R420, R423 we have to take care about the laser cut on the right especially because it seems that almost all cores can work with 12 pipes. I think that could be interesting for the owners of such cards.

The card I have is a MSI x800se so with 8 pipelines (2 pipelinequads).
org.:
CONFIG_DIE_FUSES = 0xFFF39FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES = 0xFFFFFF9D
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES = 0x22
GB_PIPE_SELECT = 0x19940

after flash with x800pro non vivo bios
CONFIG_DIE_FUSES = 0xFFF39FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES = 0xFFFFFF9D
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES = 0x20
GB_PIPE_SELECT = 0x19940

After reconnecting lasercut + bios flash
CONFIG_DIE_FUSES = 0xFFF39FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES = 0xFFFFFF9F
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES = 0x20
GB_PIPE_SELECT = 0x19940

My card is now recognised as a x800xt (4A4B) :confused: but still 8 pipelines.

[Stilt]

It seems that ATI has castrated the X850 Pro Vivo cards too...
Just tested one ("made" by Asus) and it seems that the second quad of pipelines is disabled internally. Substrate fuses show that there also lasercut(s). The card has Samsung 1.6ns chips and R480 core.

I removed the heatsink and it seems that there is actually three lasercuts?
I compared it with my X850XT Platinum, and the X850 Pro has much darker spots on the substrate than the X850XT. It looks like X850XT has copper on those spots and the X850 Pro spots has been "dugged" out.

I´ll post a picture from the gpu at monday.

[madasahatter]

Can i mod or do summin wiv the Powercolor PCI-e X800GT 256mb version...and if so will i need to get a different cooler or is the stock 1 fine?:):):)
Sorry i dont know how to upload pics.

Device ID 554B
Chip type R423
Active pipes 8
Defualt GPU clock 475.00
" Mem clock 490.00
CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xFFFF9FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xFFFFFF9D
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES 0x860
GB_PIPE_SELECT 0x19940

Reverence divider currently at :14 Min step = 1.93mhz

[ShadowFlare]

Canb somebody just tell me if there is anything I can do with my card.

HIS x800gt, R423

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES = 0xFFFF9FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES = 0xFFFFFF9D
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES = 0x862
GB_PIPE_SELECT = 0x19940
Introstand your core should be R480 not R423 (looking fuses). The only thing that you can do is to see it (remove the cooler) and if it is R480 to flash with BIOS for R480. No additional pipes are possible if the core is R480 (it should be R480) but by flashing with R480 BIOS you can gain additional performance with your 8 pipes.
If you do look at it and it is R480, then go here for what dolf was referring to: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=6056

Can i mod or do summin wiv the Powercolor PCI-e X800GT 256mb version...and if so will i need to get a different cooler or is the stock 1 fine?:):):)
Sorry i dont know how to upload pics.

Device ID 554B
Chip type R423
Active pipes 8
Defualt GPU clock 475.00
" Mem clock 490.00
CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xFFFF9FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xFFFFFF9D
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES 0x860
GB_PIPE_SELECT 0x19940

Reverence divider currently at :14 Min step = 1.93mhz
It doesn't look like your card will have any more than 8 pipelines. Your card most definately does have an R480 chip, so look here for a different kind of performance boost: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=6056

[REDDOG]

Im showing no fuse data on my card with ati tool why is that?...I just wanted to say thanks for the 9500 to 9700 softmod been using it for years...worked great gave me more life out of my card....Just recently upgraded to 64-3200 with a 3dconnect x800gto trying to mod it cant seem to get floppy to boot first. It gives me a command A> what do you after that?Im sorry newbie here at card flashing....I change it to boot first but the cd light comes on before floppy light does hmmmmm....I dont know followed flash instructions...Appreciate anyones help...........

[REDDOG]

Ya wizzard underneath where it says amount of pipelines theres no fuse data maybe i should reinstall ati tool...I dunno...

[john57]

You need to use the Shift key when selecting the page to view the fuses

[eckybud]

Heres the information that i hope lets you tell me i can flash to unlock the pipes its a non vivo model running 8 pipelines with samsung 2.0 memory and a 480 core.
Not sur if attachment has worked if not i will try again.:)

[Zoorz]

I've got a sapphire gto card and I really hope for to the get the "extra" pipes in use. This one overclocks (on my opinion) nicely (core=558 MHz memory= 556 MHz) and I'm dying to see if the card can do more. So... I'll be waiting for your repply, and if possible, some instructions how to do the bios thing. :roll:

Ps. On the memory chips it says: samsung 519 K4J55323QF-GC16. Does it mean that I have 1.6 ns. memories or am I just hoping for too much.

[eckybud]

Hi Wizzard can you tell me if i can flash or and unlock this catds pipes it has the 480 core non vivo his x800gt turbo II model???
Cheers Eck.

[S-Man]

How about this?

http://www.kolumbus.fi/sami.keranen/at.jpg

[peta01]

Hi Wizzard can you tell me if i can flash or and unlock this catds pipes it has the 480 core non vivo his x800gt turbo II model???
Cheers Eck.

Sorry no possible pipes unlocking with your card. :(

[Stilt]

How about this?

http://www.kolumbus.fi/sami.keranen/at.jpg

Maximum amount of pipelines: 8
Lasercut: Yes
Pipelines hidden by bios: 8
Moddable: No

[ShadowFlare]

Ps. On the memory chips it says: samsung 519 K4J55323QF-GC16. Does it mean that I have 1.6 ns. memories or am I just hoping for too much.
Yes, it does mean you have 1.6 ns memory on it.

Hi Wizzard can you tell me if i can flash or and unlock this catds pipes it has the 480 core non vivo his x800gt turbo II model???
Cheers Eck.
If you've looked at the core and have seen that it is R480, please post your bios so I can compare it with the one I have here: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=6056 If it is the same bios as the original bios that I have, you could use the one I posted to make the chip properly identfied as an R480 to get a bit of a performance boost.

[REDDOG]

X800gto 3d connect..According to the specs the mod should work....I must be doing something wrong....

[noneed4me2]

reddog yea your fuses say good to mod:) .

[REDDOG]

According to the specs I should be able to mod this.I must be doing something wrong.....

[noneed4me2]

save old bios, boot with cd, option 1,Atitool will say if it worked, reboot, verify with Atitool, flash old bios back with Winflash (check force box) restart, Uninstall/reinstall drivers your done.

[REDDOG]

Im a little confused are you talking about the iso file for a saphire gto2 card?I didnt know that would work ...thanks for your responses...I am thinking about using the force bios option on it...flashrom -fo"file".bin or .rom.Which one is it lol....I dunno.I also read the x800xt bios would work I think Im doing something wrong....I formatted my floppy in msdos I put the flashrom files on there I renamed the 16pipe bios file.also I put the original bios file on there and renamed it also..It says it needs to be less than eight characters...I boot with the floppy first device..A prompt comes up I put flashrom-p0"filename".rom and a menu screen pops up for the bios commands...what do you do next ?I have to take disk out and hit ALT CNT DELETE for it to boot up.check ati tool still only 12 pipes...I DUNNO...:banghead: :twitch: :banghead:

[cLy_eVo]

CONFIG DIE FUSES 0XFFFFDFFF
CONFIG SUBSTRATE FUSES 0XFFFFFF9E
CONFIG ROM FUSES 0X261
GB PIPE SELECT 0XAD46

mine is a gto. its an r480 chip. the chip look exactly like in the manual with the samsung gc16 ram. can the quad be unlocked.

if it cannot be done by softmod/bios flash. is there any other way. hardmod? connect the fuses w/ pencil?

[introstand]

If you do look at it and it is R480, then go here for what dolf was referring to: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=6056


It doesn't look like your card will have any more than 8 pipelines. Your card most definately does have an R480 chip, so look here for a different kind of performance boost: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=6056

So I removes the cooler and as you suspected it is R480. So what bios should I use? I have the HIS x800gt IceQ II. Does that make a difference?

[Stilt]

CONFIG DIE FUSES 0XFFFFDFFF
CONFIG SUBSTRATE FUSES 0XFFFFFF9E
CONFIG ROM FUSES 0X261
GB PIPE SELECT 0XAD46


Third quad of pipelines is locked in die, so no 16 pipelines.

Maximum number of pipelines: 12
Pipelines hidden by bios: 4
Lasercut: Yes

[cLy_eVo]

Originally Posted by cLy_eVo
CONFIG DIE FUSES 0XFFFFDFFF
CONFIG SUBSTRATE FUSES 0XFFFFFF9E
CONFIG ROM FUSES 0X261
GB PIPE SELECT 0XAD46

Third quad of pipelines is locked in die, so no 16 pipelines.

Maximum number of pipelines: 12
Pipelines hidden by bios: 4
Lasercut: Yes

so its locked in die. not by bios. how did u find this out. can u post the link of the specific thread. thanks.

correct me if i'm wrong: there is no way to unlock the quad even with hardmod; becoz its locked in die.

[cLy_eVo]

i'm not sure bout this. i had a look at the chip before i installed the heatsink. i dont think i saw any lasercut. the chip look exactly like the gto2 posted by wizzard on the first thread. if someone can post a link to how the laser cut look liked. i can confirmed this. thanks guys.

[introstand]

I just flashed my HIS x800gt IceQ II Turbo with the bios on the first page. After running the some tests it seems to have given my about a 150p rais in 3DMark05.

Before flash: 4204
After flash: 4344

AtiTool now said I have R480 wich is correct and 3DMark05 recognizes my card as a x800gto. I still only have 8 active pipes. The card don't seem to be that much warmer either.

So everything is working great right now. Thank!

[night-crawler]

C3D X850Pro AGP VIVO

Config Die Fuses 0xFFFFFFFF
Config Subtrate Fuses 0xFFFFFF9F

it's fine for modding isn't it?

[dolf]

Night-crawler your card will become XT with 16 pipes :D . Congratulations!!!! Don't forget to use modified flashrom when flashing. It is better to start with 16 pipe PRO BIOS and to test max. overclock for the core and memory (with 16 pipes). After that choose XT or XT PE BIOS to use. You can obtain also XT PE BIOS with fan control if you want it :) .

[NoIdeaForANick]

Hi,
i got another Card, is this mod-able? When not, why ???
Pleease answer :D
X800GTO (R420) AGP:

Config_DIE_Fuses: OxEFF3EFFF
Config_substrate_Fuses: OxFFFFFF1E

I ask because somebody told me that this Card is modable with Lasercutmod ?!?
Right or Not?

[peta01]

I just flashed my HIS x800gt IceQ II Turbo with the bios on the first page. After running the some tests it seems to have given my about a 150p rais in 3DMark05.

Before flash: 4204
After flash: 4344

AtiTool now said I have R480 wich is correct and 3DMark05 recognizes my card as a x800gto. I still only have 8 active pipes. The card don't seem to be that much warmer either.

So everything is working great right now. Thank!

You have better score, because you changed your memory timing by flashing that bios. It gives more fps, but also produces more heat and instability.

[peta01]

According to the specs I should be able to mod this.I must be doing something wrong.....

Sorry, but your card is not modable :(
Looking at your core frequency and fuses data I think you have R430 core, so no mod possible.

[dolf]

How many pipes you currently have? (probably 12). Your fuses shows that 16 pipes are not possible for your card unfortunately. Fuses also show that your core is not R430. (The only possibility to mod something is to mod from 8 to 12 pipes if it originaly runs with 8 pipes). Your case should be different.

[hyperdrive]

My card is a Sapphire X800GT with 128 MB memory. In the attachment is the fuses data. There is currently 8 active pipelines. Is this card any good modding material =] ?

I got pretty impressive core clocks by the way, currently at 622MHz, quite a rise i think.. :cool:

[dolf]

I consider (looking fuses) that your core is R423 and 12 pipes are possible :) . You should remove the cooler and to inspect (to look for laser cuts). If there any - connect the RIGHT one (top-right side of the core) but meanwhile post your original BIOS to mod it for 12 pipes. After that you should flash using modified flashrom with the modded BIOS. After you have to see the number of pipes in ATITool again.

[NoIdeaForANick]

Hi,
i got another Card, is this mod-able? When not, why ???
Pleease answer :D
X800GTO (R420) AGP:

Config_DIE_Fuses: OxEFF3EFFF
Config_substrate_Fuses: OxFFFFFF1E

I ask because somebody told me that this Card is modable with Lasercutmod ?!?
Right or Not?

No ideas?

[hyperdrive]

I consider (looking fuses) that your core is R423 and 12 pipes are possible :) . You should remove the cooler and to inspect (to look for laser cuts). If there any - connect the RIGHT one (top-right side of the core) but meanwhile post your original BIOS to mod it for 12 pipes. After that you should flash using modified flashrom with the modded BIOS. After you have to see the number of pipes in ATITool again.


alright, thanks for help, i'll check that thing out..

[Stilt]

I consider (looking fuses) that your core is R423 and 12 pipes are possible :) . You should remove the cooler and to inspect (to look for laser cuts). If there any - connect the RIGHT one (top-right side of the core) but meanwhile post your original BIOS to mod it for 12 pipes. After that you should flash using modified flashrom with the modded BIOS. After you have to see the number of pipes in ATITool again.

There are two pipeline quads disabled in die.
Reconnecting the lasercut won´t make any difference.

[Stilt]

No ideas?

There is one pipeline quad disabled in die.
Reconnecting the lasercut won´t make any difference.

[NoIdeaForANick]

There is one pipeline quad disabled in die.
Reconnecting the lasercut won´t make any difference.

Thank you, but i could not wait and did the mod...
Now it looks like this:

Config_DIE_Fuses: OxEFF3FFFF
Config_substrate_Fuses: OxFFFFFF1F

:confused:

Was ATI Tool wrong at the first reading or am I?

[Stilt]

Thank you, but i could not wait and did the mod...
Now it looks like this:

Config_DIE_Fuses: OxEFF3FFFF
Config_substrate_Fuses: OxFFFFFF1F

:confused:

Was ATI Tool wrong at the first reading or am I?

Thats weird.
Reconneting the lasercut or either flashing the bios shouldn´t be able to change die_fuses...

[cLy_eVo]

CONFIG DIE FUSES 0XFFFFDFFF
CONFIG SUBSTRATE FUSES 0XFFFFFF9E
CONFIG ROM FUSES 0X261
GB PIPE SELECT 0XAD46


Thats weird.
Reconneting the lasercut or either flashing the bios shouldn´t be able to change die_fuses...


so stilt, can you forecast what will happen if i reconnect those laser cut. but i doubt my chip has one. but you said i do. so what will happen if i connect them. is there any complications. what if i just flash it to x800xt bios. would my screen goes blank and that the end. or anyway to reflash it back to the original bios.

[cLy_eVo]

Third quad of pipelines is locked in die, so no 16 pipelines.

Maximum number of pipelines: 12
Pipelines hidden by bios: 4
Lasercut: Yes

bump

[Stilt]

CONFIG DIE FUSES 0XFFFFDFFF
CONFIG SUBSTRATE FUSES 0XFFFFFF9E
CONFIG ROM FUSES 0X261
GB PIPE SELECT 0XAD46

so stilt, can you forecast what will happen if i reconnect those laser cut. but i doubt my chip has one. but you said i do. so what will happen if i connect them. is there any complications. what if i just flash it to x800xt bios. would my screen goes blank and that the end. or anyway to reflash it back to the original bios.

If the value of substrate fuses ends with E, there definitely is a lasercut.
If the bridges are intact the value ends with F.

So if you reconnect the bridge, flash in a bios with all quads enabled?
The result is that you will still have those 12 pipelines. The only difference that you will see is that ATITool will report:

CONFIG DIE FUSES 0XFFFFDFFF
CONFIG SUBSTRATE FUSES 0XFFFFFF9F
CONFIG ROM FUSES 0X??0
GB PIPE SELECT 0XAD46

Nothing else :)

[cLy_eVo]

If the value of substrate fuses ends with E, there definitely is a lasercut.
If the bridges are intact the value ends with F.

So if you reconnect the bridge, flash in a bios with all quads enabled?
The result is that you will still have those 12 pipelines. The only difference that you will see is that ATITool will report:

CONFIG DIE FUSES 0XFFFFDFFF
CONFIG SUBSTRATE FUSES 0XFFFFFF9F
CONFIG ROM FUSES 0X??0
GB PIPE SELECT 0XAD46

Nothing else :)

so, you are saying that the "..FDF..." letter on configdiefuses cannot be change into straight ...FFF.... because die fuses cannot be modified

[NoIdeaForANick]

Thats weird.
Reconneting the lasercut or either flashing the bios shouldn´t be able to change die_fuses...

So the ATI Tool was wrong with the first Reading?
I think i got the 16 pp.
The ATI Tray Tool bench:
Before:
7074,6
After:
7702,98

OC was the same: 580/580

:toast:

[ShadowFlare]

I just flashed my HIS x800gt IceQ II Turbo with the bios on the first page. After running the some tests it seems to have given my about a 150p rais in 3DMark05.

Before flash: 4204
After flash: 4344

AtiTool now said I have R480 wich is correct and 3DMark05 recognizes my card as a x800gto. I still only have 8 active pipes. The card don't seem to be that much warmer either.

So everything is working great right now. Thank!
It looks like dolf was correct in saying that your card would most likely have an R480 chip. BTW, did you take the heatsink off to look at the gpu or did you just decide to flash to that bios without checking first? If you didn't check first, well, it doesn't really matter now, since getting that performance boost confirms that it does indeed have an R480.

[Stilt]

So the ATI Tool was wrong with the first Reading?
I think i got the 16 pp.
The ATI Tray Tool bench:
Before:
7074,6
After:
7702,98

OC was the same: 580/580

:toast:

Does ATiTool report 16 pipelines?
If it does, which bios and flasher did you use?
Can you take a picture from the gpu?

[ShadowFlare]

I just flashed my HIS x800gt IceQ II Turbo with the bios on the first page. After running the some tests it seems to have given my about a 150p rais in 3DMark05.

Before flash: 4204
After flash: 4344

AtiTool now said I have R480 wich is correct and 3DMark05 recognizes my card as a x800gto. I still only have 8 active pipes. The card don't seem to be that much warmer either.

So everything is working great right now. Thank!
You have better score, because you changed your memory timing by flashing that bios. It gives more fps, but also produces more heat and instability.
No, it's not from different memory timings, he said he used the modded bios I posted.

According to the specs I should be able to mod this.I must be doing something wrong.....
Sorry, but your card is not modable :(
Looking at your core frequency and fuses data I think you have R430 core, so no mod possible.
You must be thinking of the wrong person, or something like that. He posted his fuses and his has the F's in the right places and his CONFIG_ROM_FUSES value ends in 1, indicating that his bios isn't set to 16 pipelines yet, so if he did try flashing the bios, he did do it wrong.

[Misiowiec]

well, my turn to ask questions. I've got a Sapphire GTO² that I'd like to modd to 16 pipes, and possibly overclock later on. At moment I can't flash to 16 pipes and I'm not sure what's wrong.

According to the ATI Tools (see attached screenshot) I have the flashable version, but when I try to flash under DOS I get this:

A:flashrom -p 0 X800GTO2.BIN [renamed Sapphire.X800GTO2_16P.Samsung16.bin to X800GTO2.BIN]

"adapter: 0*, bn: 01, dn: 00, dID: 5D4F, asic: R423, flash: -, ID: -, flashtype: STM25P05, lock: yes, romsize: 0x10000

BIOS Device ID: 0x5d4F, ASIC Device ID: 0x5D4F, Existing SSID: 0x1600, New SSID: 0x0302

SSID does not match with BIOS file "X800GTO2.BIN" SSID. Use -f to force flash."

I don't know much about flashroms, but what strikes me is that ATI Tools says I have the R480 core whereas the flashrom app says R423. Is this the problem, or any other ideas?

[Stilt]

A:flashrom -p 0 X800GTO2.BIN [Sapphire.X800GTO2_16P.Samsung16.bin to X800GTO2.BIN]


Use command: flashrom -p 0 X800GTO2.bin -f
That will do the trick.

[Misiowiec]

Use command: flashrom -p 0 X800GTO2.bin -f
That will do the trick.

It's not going to break my nice card, is it? :D

I thought I didn't have to force the flash if i had the "correct" model...?

Thanks!

[Stilt]

It's not going to break my nice card, is it? :D

I thought I didn't have to force the flash if i had the "correct" model...?

Thanks!

No it won´t break your card.
Just do it :D

[ShadowFlare]

The reason is that the bios W1zzard posted seems to be a beta bios from before the card was officially released. It is basically the same bios, but it has the IDs not set right, so it will not show up as a RADEON X800 GTO in Windows. I posted the non-beta bios here: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=49175#post49175 That one won't require you to force the flash.

[dolf]

Hi,
i got another Card, is this mod-able? When not, why ???
Pleease answer :D
X800GTO (R420) AGP:

Config_DIE_Fuses: OxEFF3EFFF
Config_substrate_Fuses: OxFFFFFF1E

I ask because somebody told me that this Card is modable with Lasercutmod ?!?
Right or Not?

NoIdeaForANick you are damn lucky to have laser-cutted (only the front side) R420 core like in the old times. From the back your bridges are configured for 16 pipes :D. I am taking off my words about the impossibility to have 16 pipes - congratulations. But did you prove that 16 pipes are running?

[night-crawler]

nullie once again tks for the C3D moded bios right now i'm running 16Pipes on my X850 :D, still have to test it to see if there's no artifacts, tks to dolf too for confirming that my card was ready to go 16pipes ;), just needed to use ATIFlash -p 0 C3D.bin -f -newbios and everything went fine, no need for flashrom

[[]]

[Misiowiec]

Stilt: thanks for that, I flashed with -f and I've now got 16 pipes. Sweet...

ShadowFlare: just to confirm, but is your flash the modded X850 one and not "just" a X800? And would there be any benefits in replacing the one i just upgraded to with yours? In the long run (well a few nights) I hope to test the card at X850 PE speeds and permanently apply that speed though the custom modd if it works.

Thanks!

[seewhy]

Hi all, I'm new in the ATI camp.

Recently, I bought a Connect3d X800GTO, and I've read through most of the guides here.However, there're some issues I'm still quite unclear about, and I'd grealy appreciate any information that can help me understand more.

1)From looking at FUSEDATA, it seems my card is unmoddable by just a BIOS flash

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/punchbag/fusedata.jpg

2)However, some users in this community have pointed out that r423 dies might have a lasercut, that can be reconnected to activate the last 4 dormant pipes. Is this possible for my card?

Here's my core. Sorry about the mess, I was cleaning up the old goop halfway when I decided to take a pic. :roll:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/punchbag/x800procld.jpg

I'm not sure, but I think my core has a lasercut right? Also, my core is stamped X800pro instead of the usual X800 + (core designation). Is there anything unusual about this part?

3)Since I think I might have a lasercut, my CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES should end with an E (as pointed out by Stilt), but strangely enough mine ends with a F. :wtf: It'll be great if someone can explain to me what's going on. I'm afraid I'm pretty lost. :o

[ShadowFlare]

Stilt: thanks for that, I flashed with -f and I've now got 16 pipes. Sweet...

ShadowFlare: just to confirm, but is your flash the modded X850 one and not "just" a X800? And would there be any benefits in replacing the one i just upgraded to with yours? In the long run (well a few nights) I hope to test the card at X850 PE speeds and permanently apply that speed though the custom modd if it works.

Thanks!
There were differences in the bios W1zzard posted, but I don't know what effects those differences would have, besides the obvious one that makes it not show up with the GTO in the name. The bios I used should be exactly like the one your card had, but just modded to 16 pipelines, unlike the one W1zzard posted. So if you want to have the exact same bios your card originally had, but just modded to 16 pipes, use the bios I posted.

BTW, I also posted a newer revision of that bios in a post that is not far above the other.

[Shocktaught]

Okay here's mine. HIS ICQ X800 Pro standard (non-vivo) with 2ns mem. GPU doesn't have laser cut. This is an early model I bought in Sep of '04.

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[ShadowFlare]

Okay here's mine. HIS ICQ X800 Pro standard (non-vivo) with 2ns mem. GPU doesn't have laser cut. This is an early model I bought in Sep of '04.

1244
It looks like the bios is already set to 16 pipelines, so since there's no laser cut either, you probably aren't going to get 16 pipelines.

[Shocktaught]

It looks like the bios is already set to 16 pipelines, so since there's no laser cut either, you probably aren't going to get 16 pipelines.

Yeah, it's only showing 12 pipes. I'm still using the stock BIOS, never flashed it. If the BIOS is already set to 16 what would be keeping the card from using those pipes?

VVVVVVV
I just took the silencer off and cleaned it *cough*cough* this weekend and put some fresh Artic Silver 5 on it. So yeah, no laser cut. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to get another card on down the road.

[ShadowFlare]

Yeah, it's only showing 12 pipes. I'm still using the stock BIOS, never flashed it. If the BIOS is already set to 16 what would be keeping the card from using those pipes?
So you've taken off the heatsink and looked at it, and you are completely sure it has no laser cut? If that's the case, then it probably is one like dolf has mentioned that has the cut on the back where it is inaccessible. He has stated that in those cases, it is there to disable some bad pipes.


BTW, this made me think of another point: when ATI releases the R580, which will be able to be put into a socket by the end-user, I wonder what they will do for locking pipelines? In that case, both sides will be exposed.

[noneed4me2]

Shadowflare, i know this is off topic but i noticed in your system specs you list xp pro and xp 64, do you have a dual boot system? if yes are you running them on seperate drives? I have an old system with win98 and win2000, so i have some experience with this kind of setup, but this done on one drive with seperate partitions and i am itching to try out xp 64 but my wife doesn't want me experiment with a new operating system and risk causing excessive downtime. I would rather use 2 seperate drives one for games, movies, encoding and such, and the other for household stuff like finances and homework.

[68Olds]

I got a new card installed today & checked the fuses. My new Connect3d x850Pro VIVO cannot be modded to 16 pipes per the fuses. It also has 2.0ns ram instead of 1.6ns. I think the R481 core will overclock well, even if it is only 12 pipes. :ohwell:

[ShadowFlare]

Shadowflare, i know this is off topic but i noticed in your system specs you list xp pro and xp 64, do you have a dual boot system? if yes are you running them on seperate drives? I have an old system with win98 and win2000, so i have some experience with this kind of setup, but this done on one drive with seperate partitions and i am itching to try out xp 64 but my wife doesn't want me experiment with a new operating system and risk causing excessive downtime. I would rather use 2 seperate drives one for games, movies, encoding and such, and the other for household stuff like finances and homework.
Yes, I do have it on a second drive, but I haven't really used it much yet. I got it basically almost free (legally, not pirated), so I don't really care if it barely gets used. Part of why I don't use it regularly is that I can't use my TV Wonder Pro or Remote Wonder II with it (no drivers from ATI yet).

BTW, next time for off topic things like this, just start a new thread somewhere and if you want a response from me, just send me a private message with the link to it.

[noneed4me2]

thanks shadowflare:D

[seewhy]

Hey ShadowFlare. could you mod my bios to enable 16 pipes please?

:p


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[noneed4me2]

seewhy, your card is very interesting as most of the newer ones coming out seem to be locked in a way other than lazer cut. Looking at your fuses it may be possible with a hard mod (reconnect lazer cut)and then a bios flash. Dolf has been experimenting alot with this type of scenario so maybe talking to him will give you a better idea of what to do. Your bios definately has the pipe lock but your lack of an e might indicate that the pipes might still be functional. Where did you get this card and when if i might ask.

[noneed4me2]

Seewhy, check this thread out as this card will probably fall into this category because of your pro chip. http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=369 By the way your the first i have seen with a card like this and may have one of the rarest version of C3D GTO out yet. heres the original article
you http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/10

[manoloxxl]

Hi, it seem´s that i have same question like Nganasan but more Informations :).

Recently became an owner of sapphire X800GT 256MB AGP with 2.0 RAM.
ATItool show that it's R420 & this is the core:
http://www.manoloxxl.de/treff/bastel/x800gt/x800gt_gpu.jpg

This is fuses data about my card:
http://www.manoloxxl.de/treff/bastel/x800gt/x800gto_atitoolxtra.jpg

Question: Is it bad news or good news?

[Timoteo]

I have the same core R420 x800se but afther flahing with a moded bios nothing change still 8pipes, but you can oc very well up to 500/500 if u want no problem, and i don't think i will do the hard mod bcause i dont know if it will work.... so prefer to keep like this.... by the way...

[manoloxxl]

@Timoteo
Thank you. With "HardMod" you mean to connect the lasercut? If ist don´t open the Pipes you can remove the silver i´ve readed in german forums.

[MeisterEder]

ati tool gives following information about my sapphire x800 gt AGP:

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xEFF33FFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xFFFFFE9D
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES 0x22
GB_PIPE_SELECT 0x31344

... further... 8 active pipes.. as any other non-modded x800 gt :)

i can set clock to 580/520 :) think this is pretty good..

to my questions:

u think i can activate 12 or even 16 pipes?
where the hell do u know from wether pipes can be activated or not..? :confused:

thx..

[dolf]

Guys connect the RIGHT bridge on your cores. Do the fuse research again and post your results in order to collect information what happens with the registers after the connection.
Flash with MODIFIED flashrom using the following command line: flashrom -f -p 0 biosname.bin

To affirm the successfull flashing look the fuses again. Your CONFIG_ROM_FUSES should be changed (example: from 0x22 = 8 pipes to 0x21 = 12 pipes or 0x20 = 16 pipes depending on the flashed BIOS). If after flashing you still have 0x22 it means that you haven't use modified flashrom and the number of pipes remains until next flash with the proper tool :) .

It is possible some of you to be so lucky to have even 16 pipes after connection of the right bridge. It can be "reported" by the fuses.

[manoloxxl]

Thank you dolf. You mean, i´ve to do in this order:

1.) load BIOS from card and post it here.

2.) connect like on this picture
http://www.manoloxxl.de/treff/bastel/x800gt/x800gt_lc_1.jpg

3.) make a screenshot from ATItool and post it here

4.) flash the modified BIOS 12x wich someone here maybe moded me and check if everything is ok
4a.) flash the modified BIOS 16x wich someone here maybe moded me and check if everything is ok

5.) check config_r... in ATItool

6.) enjoy ;)

7.) donate this forum


Right?

[MeisterEder]

k.. lets try :)

will report any results :)

[cLy_eVo]

So you've taken off the heatsink and looked at it, and you are completely sure it has no laser cut? If that's the case, then it probably is one like dolf has mentioned that has the cut on the back where it is inaccessible. He has stated that in those cases, it is there to disable some bad pipes.


BTW, this made me think of another point: when ATI releases the R580, which will be able to be put into a socket by the end-user, I wonder what they will do for locking pipelines? In that case, both sides will be exposed.

i think they are thinking of releasing different type of r5xx for the high, med and low end graphic card. that will increase manufacturing cost and we'll pay for that.

[Stilt]

Again there is one GTO model to be added in unmoddable list.

Asus EAX800GTO 256MB PCI-Express:

PCB: X800XL (with Fairchild VDDR regulator chips).
Core: R430
Memory: Samsung 2.0ns

There are no visible lasercuts on the substrate, so they must be underneath the gpu.
The second pipeline quad is disabled in die.

It seems that R423 gpus with "KAGA12F" are all unmoddable.
All Connect3D GTOs that were unlockable had "JAGA12F" code etched on them.

[dolf]

Thank you dolf. You mean, i´ve to do in this order:

1.) load BIOS from card and post it here.

2.) connect like on this picture
http://www.manoloxxl.de/treff/bastel/x800gt/x800gt_lc_1.jpg

3.) make a screenshot from ATItool and post it here

4.) flash the modified BIOS 12x wich someone here maybe moded me and check if everything is ok
4a.) flash the modified BIOS 16x wich someone here maybe moded me and check if everything is ok

5.) check config_r... in ATItool

6.) enjoy ;)

7.) donate this forum


Right?

Absolutely correct but don't forget to flash using modified flashrom (from here: http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/100). If you succeed with 12 pipes and your left bridge is originally disconnected you can go further for 16 pipes by connecting it also. The chance for 16 pipes is close to 0 but there is always some. Point 7 depends on you ;) .

[seewhy]

It seems that R423 gpus with "KAGA12F" are all unmoddable.
All Connect3D GTOs that were unlockable had "JAGA12F" code etched on them.

hey, it's kinda true.
ohwell, that sucks :ohwell:

By unmoddable, do you mean that even joining up the lasercut doesn't work?



seewhy, your card is very interesting as most of the newer ones coming out seem to be locked in a way other than lazer cut. Looking at your fuses it may be possible with a hard mod (reconnect lazer cut)and then a bios flash. Dolf has been experimenting alot with this type of scenario so maybe talking to him will give you a better idea of what to do. Your bios definately has the pipe lock but your lack of an e might indicate that the pipes might still be functional. Where did you get this card and when if i might ask.



Thanks for your reply! I got my card through a local promotion for $329, which is around US$193.
I've also read through the threads you provided me. So far, nothing conclusive there either.

[seewhy]

Thank you dolf. You mean, i´ve to do in this order:


2.) connect like on this picture
http://www.manoloxxl.de/treff/bastel/x800gt/x800gt_lc_1.jpg




Strange, my laser cut is on the left of the big circle, but yours is on the right :confused:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/punchbag/lasercut.jpg

[MeisterEder]

Strange, my laser cut is on the left of the big circle, but yours is on the right :confused:



as far as i understood does the position of the cut depend on which pipe-quad is deactivated.. if both are deactivated.. i think only one is cut off by laser cut.. the other any other way..

..perhaps only by bios?? dont know..

[manoloxxl]

Absolutely correct but don't forget to flash using modified flashrom (from here: http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/100). If you succeed with 12 pipes and your left bridge is originally disconnected you can go further for 16 pipes by connecting it also. The chance for 16 pipes is close to 0 but there is always some. Point 7 depends on you ;) .
Must i flash a new Bios (PRO) or can i use my old?
You mean that it also will be possible to connect the 2 Points on the left and go to 16 Pipes?
But first i try to go up to 12 ;)

[MeisterEder]

Must i flash a new Bios (PRO) or can i use my old?
You mean that it also will be possible to connect the 2 Points on the left and go to 16 Pipes?
But first i try to go up to 12 ;)

try ;) if u like, at first with the old one.. should boot! maybe with only 8 pipes

if only 8 pipes flash the bios and see if u got 12 then..

[introstand]

It looks like dolf was correct in saying that your card would most likely have an R480 chip. BTW, did you take the heatsink off to look at the gpu or did you just decide to flash to that bios without checking first? If you didn't check first, well, it doesn't really matter now, since getting that performance boost confirms that it does indeed have an R480.

No I took the heatsink off and it said R480. It is the right bios, right? And there is not anything more I can do to get better performance?

I now get around 5100p in 3Dmark05 running at 600/590 with 3200+ @ 2500MHz.

[manoloxxl]

*loco*

Ok Folks. It´s done!

Here is a Screenshot from ATItool after i have connected the two points:
http://www.manoloxxl.de/treff/bastel/x800gt/x800_atiafter.jpg

Then i flashed my old Bios. But nothing changed.

Then i have flashed the Sapphire X800 PRO Bios from this site. And now, great great great, just look:

http://www.manoloxxl.de/treff/bastel/x800gt/x800_atiafter_pro.jpg

20 = all 16 Pipes???? I didn´t testet anything yet, but now i will start 3dmark05 for testing. This is crazy.

The card is recognized as a X800 XT, don´t know why, but it´s look like it´s working?!

Thank You Thank You thank You!

[Roberto72]

@Manoloxxl
You still have 8 pipes :cry:

[manoloxxl]

I´ve tested with 3dmark05 but you´re right. It seems that there are just like bevore 8 pipes open. Same result (4200 points)

But why??? The ROM_FUSES changed :(

[Matthew]

fuse change because you have flashed with pro bios.
do you have connect the bridge using a pencil ?

[cLy_eVo]

stop trying so hard. spend your time using it rather than spending time tweaking it. i cant mod my gto to 16, but it still clock so well with just 12 pipe. i'm still paying much less than an x800pro for performance that are much superior than it. :) 5708 w/ 2ghz cpu

[manoloxxl]

I have used "silver color" and a little stick. Is it bad when i connect the lasercut with the 2 points oder must the connection be without the stripe from the lasercut.

http://www.manoloxxl.de/treff/bastel/x800gt/x800gt_lcclose.jpg

I want the extra pipes :banghead:

[Mr_Torch]

this is only for x800 series :) old cards dont have fuses

My card is an X700 Pro PCIe 256 Mb and it shows it has fuses, does this posibly mean that I can unlock some pipes? Currently only has 8 pipes.

http://img.techpowerup.org/051207/Fuses.jpg

[dolf]

I´ve tested with 3dmark05 but you´re right. It seems that there are just like bevore 8 pipes open. Same result (4200 points)

But why??? The ROM_FUSES changed :(

Now you have to flash the BIOS with one with 12 pipes. The PCB part number is differentn than the normal PRO that's why it is better to use modded BIOS. Please send me (post it here) your original BIOS to mod it for 12 pipes.

[manoloxxl]

@dolf
Here is my file.

http://www.manoloxxl.de/treff/bastel/x800gt/sapphire_X800GT_R420_AGP_org.bin

Can you explain me how you mod the file? I want to help other guys in a german board wich are trying to unlook cards too.
You can also upload this file to the Bios-section if you want.

[dolf]

@dolf
Here is my file.

http://www.manoloxxl.de/treff/bastel/x800gt/sapphire_X800GT_R420_AGP_org.bin

Can you explain me how you mod the file? I want to help other guys in a german board wich are trying to unlook cards too.
You can also upload this file to the Bios-section if you want.

Tomorrow I will mod your BIOS and will try to explane you how to do it youself. Now I am using outsiders computer and have no suitable software installed on it. But you will need Hexeditor and RaBit 1.7 to do the mod.

[celemine1Gig]

Just some info for those with 128MB (Hynix 2.8ns) PCI-E Radeon X800SE Cards. Most of these cards were sold in Dell systems as far as I know. Perhaps the info could also be interesting for those people who recently bought X800GT cards, but I don't know for sure.

My card is equipped with a R423 chip and has a single laser-cut. I first powered it up unmodded, so the laser-cut was untouched and the info shown by ATiTool was the following:

die_fuses: 0xEFF3EFFF
substrate_fuses: 0xFFFFF61D

I already had the suspicion that this card could perhaps be turned into a 128MB Radeon X800/Pro by enabling 4 extra pipelines. The problem I saw was that there was not a single BIOS for any PCI-E X800Pro/X800 12 pipeline card with Hynix 2.8ns RAM, let alone with only 128MB of it. :(
Then I thought, well there might not be a BIOS, but let's see what ATiTool shows when I reconnect the laser-cut bridge. Connected the bridge as planned, with some conductive silver lacquer et violà, 12 active pipelines without any extra BIOS flashing. :)

Fuse data after connecting the formerly cut bridge:

die_fuses: 0xEFF3EFFF
substrate_fuses: 0xFFFFF61F


Perhaps this could be of help for anyone with one of these cards out there.

Greets

Ingmar :)


Edit:
Just one thing to add. The thing about the ROM fuse data and it's ending must either be completely wrong or I am missing something. My card had it ending with a "2" when it was unmodded with only 8 active pipelines, but it's still ending with "2", although I have 12 active pipelines. There's definately something strange here.

[noneed4me2]

celemine1gig, try this prog out to make sure all pipes are ok High Dynamic Range based Torture test, just google Rthdribl. That is odd about the 2 though as i have read a ton of posts and insofar everybody else's numbers usualy indicated that the bios was locked, there was even a thread where someone (shadowflre,infrared,Dolf if you guys know the link I can't find it) lowered their pipes by modding the bios this way, and then back up again. Can you post 3dmark scores and any other benchmarks, I am curios as i have a family member wanting to get a Dell. Also the E's were thought to indicate which pipelines were disabled so now that you have 2 that would seem to show that 8 pipes were inactive. I had weird readings after flashing in ATITool and had unin/reinstall and that fixed it.

[infrared]

I'm not sure if this is related or not. It shows how to mod the pipes up to the 16.

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/100

Seems you have to use a 'modified flashrom' (there's a link to it in the article) but this seems the only way to do it without physically bridging the lazer cut.

If anyone attempts the mod, be sure to tell us how it went! ;)

[manoloxxl]

Tomorrow I will mod your BIOS and will try to explane you how to do it youself. Now I am using outsiders computer and have no suitable software installed on it. But you will need Hexeditor and RaBit 1.7 to do the mod.
This would be great. I just downloaded the tools and still waiting for my new bios. At time i´m at work so i can´t test anything yet.

[dolf]

The information about the number of active pipes hides in address 0x000070 and exactly represents CONFIG_ROM_FUSES value. In your case it is in 0x00007C with value 22 which means 2 quads blocked. 21 will mean 1 quad blocked and 20 - 0 quads blocked (16 pipes working).
I have compared SE BIOS and your GT and they are almost equal. Normal PRO BIOS should work for you also. Don't forget to use modified flashrom.

[manoloxxl]

Thank you. I will flash it in maybe 5 hours when im finished work.

I´ve tryed to find the entries. But maybe i´m blind. I´m using HEX_Editor MX but can´t find Row 0x00007B
My Rows begin with 0x000 and end with 0xDBF0.

Also i look in row 0x0000 at position 07 but there is only 00.

[dolf]

I've did a mistake the position is not 7B but 7A
I hope that this will help you ;) :

[manoloxxl]

Allright, i found it. Thank you.

I compared the files and found 6 changes, why happend this?
Sorry for asking so much, i got no time to test the file so i want understand what to do.

[Stilt]

I compared the files and found 6 changes, why happend this?
Sorry for asking so much, i got no time to test the file so i want understand what to do.

The checksum has changed.

[celinda]

Hi all i have a sapphire x800gt i think the chip is a R423 and it has laser cut a the top of the Gpu.
is my card moddable to 12pp ? if yes with wich bios should i flash? thx ! :respect:

here are my ati tool screens :D

1251 1252

[manoloxxl]

When i open the files from dolf with rabit i get the message that the bios is corrupt, is this because of the change?
Can i change in my moded bios the core-clock with rabbit?

[Matthew]

When i open the files from dolf with rabit i get the message that the bios is corrupt, is this because of the change?
Can i change in my moded bios the core-clock with rabbit?


to open dolf's bios have you used RaBiT-1.7?

[celinda]

hey mano did u try to flash with dolf bios already ?

dolf : i used an editor to change the CONFIG_ROM_FUSES (from my dumpes bios) value
from 0x862 (2 quad locked) to 0x860 .
Is there anything else i should change or can i flash my card with that bios? :)

12531254

[manoloxxl]

to open dolf's bios have you used RaBiT-1.7?
Yes. 1.7
I have tested it with selfmoded Bios too. I open the unmoded file, everything ok, i change the 22 to a 21 or 20, saved the file and when i open this files i get the same error.


@celinda
no, i´m still at work. i will flash at 4 PM, in 2 hours.

[celemine1Gig]

celemine1gig, try this prog out to make sure all pipes are ok High Dynamic Range based Torture test, just google Rthdribl. That is odd about the 2 though as i have read a ton of posts and insofar everybody else's numbers usualy indicated that the bios was locked, there was even a thread where someone (shadowflre,infrared,Dolf if you guys know the link I can't find it) lowered their pipes by modding the bios this way, and then back up again. Can you post 3dmark scores and any other benchmarks, I am curios as i have a family member wanting to get a Dell. Also the E's were thought to indicate which pipelines were disabled so now that you have 2 that would seem to show that 8 pipes were inactive. I had weird readings after flashing in ATITool and had unin/reinstall and that fixed it.


Well, I played COD2, NFSMW and some other games yesterday and belive me, the extra pipelines are working and absolutely error-free! Even the ATITOOL 3D-View shows increased FPS, the number of active piplines is shown as 12 (see my screeny above) and the chip temp increased slightly due to the added heat of the extra pipelines. So why should these extra pipelines still be inactive? 3DMark2001 Score was about 24000 with the card at 12 pipes, but unmodded (425/350) apart from that, and there were some background-apps running.
I mean, it's nice that normally the "2" at the end of "rom_fuses" means that it's locked at 8 pipes, but mine is not and that's for sure.
Don't get fooled by the number of posts I got in here. :) I know what I'm doing.

As dolf asked me to I'll post a copy of my BIOS in a few hours, but I don't think that it'll be any different from the X800SE BIOSs that are already available through the techpowerup BIOS collection.

Edit: No use posting my BIOS, as it's 100% identical with the Dell X800SE BIOS that is already uploaded in the Ati bios collection . ;)

[celinda]

i did the laser cut manip and here are my results
i have an F instead of D at the end of config_die_fude value
so now ? modified bios flash ?
im scared :laugh:

1255

[noneed4me2]

celemine1gig, thanks for reposting results, it wasn't that i was implying that you didn't know what your doing, its just that ATITool may not have changed the fuses right after you did the hardmod, their is someone else (seewhy) who's card has the same potential as you and i wanted to see if the fuses are posting properly after the mod. I think its great if we found another card that can mod and can steer people towards this card as newer Connect3d cards are having the pipes locked on die, and that just leaves pro cards and the Sapphire GTO2 (which price increase sorta defeating the purpose of the mod) that are moddable. My nephew is probably gonna have to get a dell cause of his parents and he wants a good 3d card but is limited by budget. If you can check 3dmark03 and 05 scores it will help show how much of a performance increases it has gotten. ATITool went weird on me after I tried flashing with XT bios, it always showed 16pipes after first mod, card still worked fine but i wanted higher base clocks, once i reinstalled everything was cool. One last thing is yours agp or pci/e?

[infrared]

hmm, I tried the XT bios with my XL, and it really didn't seem to work very well. I got the powercolor x800xt 2ns (because it was the only xt with 2ns)

I had to modify the clocks with rabit, then flash, after which windows installed the new drivers, but the card was acting as if it had been clocked too fast, or had been damaged, you know the way all the noise and random lines come up on the screen, so it was obvious it didn't work.

Is the R423 core bios suitable for the R430 core?? It might have just been a bad flash.

Anyway, i got to 6k with the original bios, so i'm pretty happy with the card! :D

btw noneed4me2, what 3dmark05 scores did you get with that GTO? I very nearly got that card to get the 16 pipes, but heard there was a batch of unmoddable versions coming out, so grabbed the XL quick.

[manoloxxl]

Help! When i flash the files from dolf or my self modded files (just change the 22 to 21) the screen go blank when i start the pc.

Flashing is ok, but after restart the monitor get no signal :( Now i have flashed the old file.

[celinda]

@manoloxxl the pipes u activated are probably not working well :cry:

how did u flash it back ? u have an alternative card(pci) ?

[dolf]

When i open the files from dolf with rabit i get the message that the bios is corrupt, is this because of the change?
Can i change in my moded bios the core-clock with rabbit?

Try to download again the bioses (I've fixed them). Even with wrong check sum they work ;) (personal experience).

[dolf]

Help! When i flash the files from dolf or my self modded files (just change the 22 to 21) the screen go blank when i start the pc.

Flashing is ok, but after restart the monitor get no signal :( Now i have flashed the old file.

It could be totally fault pipe quad. Sorry for that. Try again with one of the BIOSes in my post (download them again). If still black screen you have to live with 8 pipes :shadedshu .

[celinda]

what does CONFIG_DIE_FUSES represents?
when i have EFF36FFF
6 in binary : 0110
that means the quad pipes where i have 0 are locked? or they dont physically exist?

[ShadowFlare]

Yes. 1.7
I have tested it with selfmoded Bios too. I open the unmoded file, everything ok, i change the 22 to a 21 or 20, saved the file and when i open this files i get the same error.


@celinda
no, i´m still at work. i will flash at 4 PM, in 2 hours.
After doing the mod in the hex editor, open up the bios in RaBiT. It will give you a message about a CRC or checksum error or something like that and ask if you want to open the bios anyway. Click yes and then save the file. This will correct those values. I've done this many times and never have had it rewrite those values incorrectly yet.

what does CONFIG_DIE_FUSES represents?
when i have EFF36FFF
6 in binary : 0110
that means the quad pipes where i have 0 are locked? or they dont physically exist?
Someone else mentioned that and it does seem to indicate which are locked (0 for the locked ones).

[celinda]

i see... so would u agree with dolf , and say that my pipes are all unlockable because i have the same specificatons as someone in the forum wich was told his card could be unlocked to 12 :confused: ? (pages 65 and 66 for ati tool screens)

[dolf]

I have never told that your card is unlockable to 12 pipes. The opposite I have always tell to the owners of R420, R423 that they can have 12 pipes in most cases. 16 pipes are with very low chance. To have 12 pipes doesn't mean 12 working pipes, they could be bad and to have black screen after unlocking or artifacts. In your case connect right bridge and flash with 12 pipe BIOS using modified flashrom. That's all :) .

[krajicekp]

Hello there, i have Sapphire X800GTO 256MB (no vivo), normal version (no GTO2, no ultimate, no extreme ed), just by ATITool i figured out it has R480 core, and fuses are shown in pic from atitool. by warrion guode this card could not be probably modded, but anyway i would like to ask if anything can be done with it to try to unlock from 12 to16 pipes. im not sure but from pics i have seen on internet R480 has no bridges on top (so there is nothing to conenct - laser cut). I want to put ATI sielncer 5 to card, cos the memory chips are not cooled and the cooling of card is not so good, temp goes up to 80 ~ 90 °C.
here are pics
http://krajicek.predseda.sk/X800gto_back.jpg
http://krajicek.predseda.sk/X800gto_front.jpg

can anything be done with this card ?? also the memories are samsung 1.6ns, and i was able to oc only to 550 without artifacts , but by rating 1.6 the sgoud be able to perform just fine to 625 mhz (or not ??), coud it be cos the momories have no heatsink ?? Will ati silencer help to better oc woth memories ?/

thans for reply

[celinda]

dolf u Rock :D

wich values do i have to change in my bios ? only the 000007A and 0000007B and turn it from 0x862 to 0x860 ? i dont have to change CONFIG_DIE_FUSES? thx

[stryg]

Powercolor X800GT, R423 on core and in windows.

Memory: Need to reboot to check, under sinks...brb.

Stock bios included.

Is it unlockable?

Thanks in advance :toast:

[manoloxxl]

Many Questions, i try to answer all:

@celinda
i flashed it back same way i flash the modbios. i have made a disk wich got batchfiles. so i can start the batch to copy old rom by type onyl "x800old" and the batch start. i dont´n need to see anything. after the sound i reboot. works fine :)

@dolf
the new are working (i see picture) but the pipes don´t open :( the fuses_entry change (i think it show only the bios information) also in atitool shows only 8 pipes active and 3dmark result same.
I just used 12p bios. i think i dont need to try 16...

@ShadowFlare
Works finde, but pipes don´t open

I think the pipes are dead :(

[mrassol]

Gecube X800GT 256Mb PCI-E

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/3969/assol8yd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is it unlockable ?

Thanks !

[Stilt]

Gecube X800GT 256Mb PCI-E

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/3969/assol8yd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is it unlockable ?

Thanks !

Reconnect the lasercut and you will have 12 pipes.

[TOTMACHER]

I have sapphire x850 pro vivo

there is a lasercut,
is there a way to mod this card with lasercutmod and the x850xt bios?

[dolf]

Unfortunately 12 pipes will remain :shadedshu.

[krajicekp]

dolf > what about me ? thx

[dolf]

dolf > what about me ? thx

Bad news dude. Your fuses shows only 12 pipes. Sorry :shadedshu .

[TOTMACHER]

Unfortunately 12 pipes will remain :shadedshu.

hmm? i dont understand.
there is an lasercut on the GPU,i have looked for!
if i close this cut,than it must work. or not?

[mrassol]

Reconnect the lasercut and you will have 12 pipes.

The problem is : there is no laser cut ... I'll take a pic later ....

[stryg]

How about this?

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1259&d=1134073332

Thank you :)

[Stilt]

How about this?

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1259&d=1134073332

Thank you :)

You can only have 8 pipelines.

[manoloxxl]

Because a my card not working - must i remove the silver?

Also the card runs only at 530 /499 stable. Maybe in next life... :( Thank you for your help!

[celinda]

the 12 pipes manip failed with connecting bridge + flashing with modded 12 pp bios :'(

i m gonna try to flash it with a x800xl bios (2.0 ns) ...anyone know how i can check if a bios is pci or agp with rabbit?

[ShadowFlare]

the 12 pipes manip failed with connecting bridge + flashing with modded 12 pp bios :'(

i m gonna try to flash it with a x800xl bios (2.0 ns) ...anyone know how i can check if a bios is pci or agp with rabbit?
The device ID will start with a 4 if it is AGP or a 5 if it is PCI Express. BTW, for AGP cards that use the bridge chip, they use the PCI Express bios version.

[celinda]

i flashed my x800gt pci-E with an x800xl pci-E bios and i have a black screen... i tried to flash it back with my original bios but nothing happend :cry: help !!
(the card is turnin on but i have no screen)

[manoloxxl]

You tried to flash back or you have flashed back?

[celinda]

i used my old.bat to flash back....but no results when i restart
any solution ?

[manoloxxl]

check the disk in another pc to verify that your command is right an the filenames are written correctly and also on the disc.
Is flashrom playing the sound?

[celinda]

i already used that old.dat to flash my bios and it worked before :when i flashed from 8 to 12 pipes, i used it to go back to original bios
and i never had a sound with flashrom.... :(

[manoloxxl]

You never had a sound? ok, maybe your systemspeaker is not connected with the mainboard.

You got only one chance: you need a PCI Card to see if flashrom telling you something.

[celinda]

and if flashrom makes no sound what does it mean ? dead ? (the gpu ventilator is working)

[manoloxxl]

Thats my question. Have it never made a sound? Maybe you got a errormessage. But when the screen stay black...

[celinda]

you are right...i probably have an error message , because when i flash using the boot floppy , i never have the prompt back because when i type old.bat again nothing happens (with the floppy light)...maybe i have some choice to make?

[manoloxxl]

type dir

if the light also don´t show anything you must use a PCI Card to see whats wrong.

[celinda]

i typed dir, nothing happens..now i must find a pci card :shadedshu

[manoloxxl]

Sorry, no other way. Good Luck, it isn´t easy. I have one card @home.

[W2hCYK]

ASUS AX800 Pro VIVO. Using ASUS AX800XT PE BIOS.

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xEFF7FFFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xFFFFFF9F
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES 0x420
GB_PIPE_SELECT 0x3FE4

overclocked to 560/600(pencil modded), scores 6906 in 3dmark05.. unlocked 16, no hassle.

[sefu]

Connect3D X800 GTO, can't flash to 16 pipes :mad: but i get 500 on core and 600 on mem.
3d2003 - 11629
3d2005 - 5503
Is no another hard way to unlock the pipes ?

[W2hCYK]

im just wondering, how do you figure out, by looking at fuses, if your card is able to reach 12 pipes, or 16 pipes? what part of the fuse info do you look at? how is it determined? im dieing to know, lol...

[noneed4me2]

The big E in the letter fuse string means hardware disabled, the 0x861 numbers ending in either 1,2, or 0 indicates bios lock 0 means all pipes open 1 equals 1 quad locked 2 means 2 quads. so 0x862 would be like a GT bios with 0xFFE71FFE would be 2 quads hardlocked. Newer C3D cards with E's have not been able to mod. Some makers use both bios and hardlocks on their cards, which is why even if the Bios says 0x860 no extra pipes. Some GT cards can make it to 12p but usually only after hardmod. Speaking of GT cards they are probably gpu's with a bad pipe quad or 2 so you may not want to try modding, whereas alot of GTOs use full working quads disabled to help move out old stock of cores to make way for the r520 cards, this is speculation of course. Connect3d must not want their cards to be modded which is probably why they changed how the pipes are disabled, or they ran out of fully functional chipsets.

[celinda]

If i use a pci card to flash back my x800gt pci-e to original bios , how can i be sure its not going to flash the pci card bios? :confused:

[W2hCYK]

so would sefu's be able to be flashed for 16p? i dont really understand the fuse line part...

[PastryLikeDood]

If i use a pci card to flash back my x800gt pci-e to original bios , how can i be sure its not going to flash the pci card bios? :confused:

Use the -nopci command when reflashing.

[celinda]

omfg it's awesome i just changed my card from slot and its working ::toast:
damn i m happy i didnt loose 200 $$ :p btw the mod failed im still @ 8 pipes , and i think i burned 1 pci-express slot , i think i'm done with x800gt overclocking :laugh:
well thx to all who helped me !

[Sir_Solo]

Gecube X800GT 256Mb DDR3 PCI-E

What can i do with it? should i try to reconnect laser cut or the right bridge? or both?

[Stilt]

Gecube X800GT 256Mb DDR3 PCI-E

What can i do with it? should i try to reconnect laser cut or the right bridge? or both?

If there is any lasercuts, reconnect them.
Then you´ll have 12 pipelines. Also there is no need to update the bios since there is no pipelines hidden by the bios.

[Sir_Solo]

how can be done this? someone wrote that i must link the core and the pipe avoiding the laser cut by making it around it? is it true? sounds like bullshit. Dolf said about unsoldering and soldering the resistors what you thinks about it?
Thanks

[Stilt]

how can be done this? someone wrote that i must link the core and the pipe avoiding the laser cut by making it around it? is it true? sounds like bullshit. Dolf said about unsoldering and soldering the resistors what you thinks about it?
Thanks

If your card has a R423 core the lasercut are in the upper right corner.
I use Bison Electro silverpaint to connect the bridges. The Bison paint is designed for repairing traces, so it is the best solution. It also has almost equal condutivity compared to solder so it is far much better than a pencil.

[Sir_Solo]

Thanks Bro

One last think, my core and mem are both at 500 mhz by default, Ati tool showing that my mem working without artifacts at around 525mhz and my core at about 610mhz, what frequence should i choose for them when flashing my bios? And what you can say me for the resistors that Dolf mentioned about?

Thanks alot

[infrared]

when you're flashing your bios, it won't really matter, since the new bios will put the clock speeds to whatever the new bios was from, but you want to put your card back to stock speeds before trying it with the lazer cut reconnected, and then find the maxes again.

Good luck ;)

[Mr_Torch]

Bump....... Can I get an answer W1zzard? you said in the quote fuses aren't on OLDER cards.....My card is an X700 Pro PCIe 256 Mb and it shows it has fuses, does this posibly mean that I can unlock some pipes? Currently only has 8 pipes.

http://img.techpowerup.org/051207/Fuses.jpg

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this is only for x800 series old cards dont have fuses

[Stilt]

Bump....... Can I get an answer W1zzard? you said in the quote fuses aren't on OLDER cards.....


ATITool can display fuses for X700 and X8x0 series cards.
RV410 core has physically only 8 pipelines and 6 vertex shader units, and you have all of them in use already. Nothing to unlock there. If you want more pipelines, get a X800 series card.

[manoloxxl]

omfg it's awesome i just changed my card from slot and its working ::toast:
damn i m happy i didnt loose 200 $$ :p btw the mod failed im still @ 8 pipes , and i think i burned 1 pci-express slot , i think i'm done with x800gt overclocking :laugh:
well thx to all who helped me !

I don´t think your PCIe-Slot is burned. Just try it to put there again. Maybe it was needed to do a ForceRefresh or something like that.

[Mr_Torch]

ATITool can display fuses for X700 and X8x0 series cards.
RV410 core has physically only 8 pipelines and 6 vertex shader units, and you have all of them in use already. Nothing to unlock there. If you want more pipelines, get a X800 series card.

Just ordered an XFX 7800 GT :D........Thank you for the reply.