upgrade from 8500GT to 8600GT

[SUPERREDDEVIL]

hi everybody!

tell me your opinion about leveling up my video card, from 8500GT to 8600GT,

differences, and more.

i got a 3070 Marks in 3d mark 06, and i think it`s so bad, and it`s a videocard problem, i think.....:banghead:

maybe with an 8600Gt i probably get more marks, Right? :rockout:

i got an X2 processor at 2.7Ghz and 2GB of ram (ddr2 800 Mhz), and my score sucks.
i dont think that be a processor or memory problem, Right?

thank you!:respect:

[KieranD]

defo a graphics problem coz that cpu is fine better than mine anyway, plus your ram is okay try clocking your cpu a bit you got a good hard drive anyway, overall id get a 8800gt palit or xpertvison or a hd3000 series coz the 8600 isnt that good unfortunately

[choppy]

8600gt will not get you much more tbh. if u want a good score buy a hd3850 256mb. it is cheap and very fast. should hit around 9000 on 3dmark06, or buy 8800gs/9600gt

[kylew]

8600gt will not get you much more tbh. if u want a good score buy a hd3850 256mb. it is cheap and very fast. should hit around 9000 on 3dmark06, or buy 8800gs/9600gt

I'd second a 3850, but not a 256 one. There's little difference in price between a 256 and a 512, you should most definitely go for a 512MB card. You can get 512MB 3850s for less than £100, there's even pre-overclocked 3870s for £115. :)

[newtekie1]

The 8600GT won't give you a worth while performance increase. So, unless you are getting it for next to nothing, don't waste your money.

Like the others have said, got with a 8800GS/9600GT/HD3850 instead. They are all available in the $150-200 range. I would probably go with the 8800GS, just because it outperforms the HD3850 256MB at the same price point of $150.

[candle_86]

go for an 8800GS they cost less than the 3850 and anal rape it.

[kylew]

go for an 8800GS they cost less than the 3850 and anal rape it.

lol at the fanboy, I really don't know how you say you aren't one, have a look at this review: Techpowerup 8800GS Review (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GeForce_8800_GS), unless I'm blind, the 8800GS isn't "anally raping it" as you so elegantly put it. Fanboys need not give advice. I'm not saying anyone who is recommending an 8800GS is a fanboy, I'm just highlighting the miss-information from an obvious fanboy :shadedshu.

[candle_86]

with my overclock on my 8800GS i can rape a 3870 also. Its the R600 is poorly designed

[erocker]

Instead of making vulgar statements about the cards, why don't you show everyone proof? Make sense? Saying the things you are saying are nothing but flame bait. Cut it out!

[candle_86]

look my thread, and then compare those scores to a 3870 on a similar system.

[kylew]

Did you care to look at the link? Seems like you're calling w1z a liar to me. You're comparing your card that's overclocked to a stock card, overclock a 3800 and it'll be equal if not better, plus the fact that is has more ram, 384MB ram isn't good enough, minimum people should buy now is 512MB considering the mere price difference. I think you're trying overly hard to justify your purchase of a 8800GS, and if you're not, maybe you're the one who "rapes" your graphics cards, seems so the way you keep banging on about it (see what I did there?! :rolleyes::D).

Apologies to the OP, their thread has kinda been hijacked :p

[Solaris17]

How about we stop? @kyle even if he was a fan boy...he was just leaving a normal comment...as said you attacking his post and calling him a fanboy is more flame bait than anything and seeing as you were dicrediting him one could say it almost makes you look like an ATI fan boy simply deiscrediting him for owning an nvidia card...as for you candle your doing no better for commenting back and though defending ones self is perfectly fine whcihc is why no ones really at fault just maybe watch your words better so this doesnt happen again....and id really consider stopping the argument here...as much of the community looks down on fan boys they also look down on the ppl that flaim bait them into an argument its called antagonizing and ppl dont like that either. but seriously its an 8600.....he wanted to know how much performance he would get explain to him the performance increase he's going to get...ask him if he would consider another card..if so what brand then ask how much $$$ he is willing to spend....then give him suggestions...and if he says he has 150 then give him cards in the 150 range dont say save up 300 and get this or that stick to the topic and this kind of thing will be avoided.

[candle_86]

why would i need to do that, at the res where my ram becomes a limiting factor the 38xx line is already so slow it doesnt matter.

[Black Panther]

hi everybody!

tell me your opinion about leveling up my video card, from 8500GT to 8600GT,

differences, and more.

i got a 3070 Marks in 3d mark 06, and i think it`s so bad, and it`s a videocard problem, i think.....:banghead:

maybe with an 8600Gt i probably get more marks, Right? :rockout:

i got an X2 processor at 2.7Ghz and 2GB of ram (ddr2 800 Mhz), and my score sucks.
i dont think that be a processor or memory problem, Right?

thank you!:respect:

Don't go for the 8600GT. It's crippled by the 128MB bus. When I first assembled the rig in my sig I had an 8600GTS which is slightly better than the 8600GT. Sure it performed much better than my previous FX5500:rolleyes: but it wasn't good value for money. So I sold it and got an 8800GT. The 8800GT performs thrice as much better than the 8600GTS, let alone the 8600GT.It gets me nearly 13K 3D marks oc'ing with atitool, and nearly 12K at stock. An 8800GTS 512MB would be even better value for money, better cooler... better oc as a result... and they can reach over 15K 3D marks if you have a core2duo.

[cjoyce1980]

if you go here you can find 8800 and 3870's for around a £100
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=56

if image quality is important to you then ATi (HD, Video's, Pictures, CAD).

if you do alot of 3D gaming then nvidia.

simple as really, but if you do a mixer of both like me, then i would choose image quality every time.

There you candle_86, a totally unbais post, you should try it sometime, after 700+ post you should know now that it's only fanboys that shout

[kylew]

How about we stop? @kyle even if he was a fan boy...he was just leaving a normal comment...as said you attacking his post and calling him a fanboy is more flame bait than anything and seeing as you were dicrediting him one could say it almost makes you look like an ATI fan boy simply deiscrediting him for owning an nvidia card...as for you candle your doing no better for commenting back and though defending ones self is perfectly fine whcihc is why no ones really at fault just maybe watch your words better so this doesnt happen again....and id really consider stopping the argument here...as much of the community looks down on fan boys they also look down on the ppl that flaim bait them into an argument its called antagonizing and ppl dont like that either. but seriously its an 8600.....he wanted to know how much performance he would get explain to him the performance increase he's going to get...ask him if he would consider another card..if so what brand then ask how much $$$ he is willing to spend....then give him suggestions...and if he says he has 150 then give him cards in the 150 range dont say save up 300 and get this or that stick to the topic and this kind of thing will be avoided.

Good point :) I wasn't trying to flamebait, as I stated that i'm not saying recommending an 8800GS means you're a fanboy, it's as a result of candle giving out false information, the review I linked to shows the 3870 besting an 8800 more than not, but it's not much of a difference. It's best not to tell people cards are crap based on your personal opinion, which is what I've seen candle do in a few threads. Attack people that say good things about ATi and come out with nVidia "fanboy" quotes. I wouldn't really call "go for an 8800GS they cost less than the 3850 and anal rape it." a normal comment, comments like that give people false impressions and fuel fanboyism anyway. I do prefer ATi, but I wouldn't not buy an NV card regardless of speed. I will buy what I feel is best to me, I have owned a fair amount of both ATi and NV cards over the years, I have prefered NV in the past, but I prefer ATi at the moment. Anyway, I'm not putting you or your comment down as I think it was a very fair comment. I just though I'd explain my intensions :p.

[cdawall]

http://hwbot.org/hardware.compare.do?type=gpu&id=1235_1&id=1236_1&id=1284_1&id=1082_1

even with oc'ing this shows the 3850/3870 to outperform the 8800GS on average

[Solaris17]

excellent and im not calling fault at anyone and im glad you understand the post instead of getting bent out of shape..for that i commend you and again i agree with you as well...ppl should post false info thats why i brought up the point of sticking to the OP but again at least you understood why i stated its also not right to call someone out disagreeing thats ok but i take it you understand how it looks atm...well im glad i got you r input at least everyones square and if i may chime in.....



if you dont have the money and the 8600 is all you can get go for it when you get it if your willing to tinker check out the guide in my sig...i can help you make that card do tricks you never thought possible.

[kylew]

I hope we haven't scared the OP off :p

[ShadowFold]

I would go with a HD 3850 too, I love mine :) works really good at 1440x900 and even 1920x1080. I cant play crysis that great but nothing in your range can really.

[newtekie1]

the review I linked to shows the 3870 besting an 8800 more than not, but it's not much of a difference.

Well here is the thing, he wasn't talking about the 8800GS beating the 3870, he was talking about the 8800GS beating the 3850. Go through the posts again, we are talking about the 3850.

You start arguing with him and then he talks about the 3870, but not before.

At stock speeds the 3850 256MB is about 7% slower than the 8800GS, not exactly "anal rape" but better yes. The 8800GS is about equal to the 3850 512MB. However, the 3850 512MB is more expensive. The 8800GS is $150, the 3850 512MB is in the $170 range, the 3850 256MB is $150, but the 8800GS is faster, based on your review that you posted.

It really comes down to what budget we are talking about. If $150 is all he can spend, then the 8800GS is the way to go. 384MB is enough for resolutions 1680x1050 and below. 512MB is nice, but if the budget can't handle it, or resolutions aren't going to be high enough, it is useless.

If he can afford the 3850 512MB, a much better option would be a 9600GT which goes for the same $170 price tag, but is about 4% faster than the 3870(according to W1z's review).

[kylew]

Yeah, I was saying a 3870, because a 3850 512MB and a 3870 are essentially the same (RV670 after all), and will likely hit the same clocks. Reason behind me saying it is that they've recently seen a price drop in England, don't know if they've followed in the US, but it makes 3850 512MB cards really cheap, tiny price difference between a 3850 512 and 256. It wasn't a point of "look ATi are the best evar nVidia suck". I was highlighting his miss-information. Telling people cards suck just because you don't like them is childish at best, and can result in other people wasting their money on something because they didn't know any better. I know of someone who would build PCs for people, he wouldn't touch intel core 2s with a 100 meter pole, he was utterly convinced they were rubish, and as a result, people were getting a bit less for their money.

[philbrown23]

dude DO NOT upgrade to an 8600!!!!!! it is basically the same thing!!?!?!??! get at least a 8800 save up rob your motherpurs or loot your dads wallet or something! and if the last to aren't an option then SAVE UP!!! it's so worth it the 8800gt gets 13,000 on the lowest runs! you'll go from 3xxx to 13xxx think about it:nutkick:

[JrRacinFan]

Hey everyone, just a little help. I personally own both a card that's equivalent to an 8500GT in performance and an 8600GT.

I will just say this, everything at stock on rig#1 in specs performs like rig#2 WHEN OVERCLOCKED 4.8Ghz cpu/ 520/450 video card in specs.

When rig #1 is overclocked it just climbs up to I would say about 60% better in graphics performance. The 8600GT is not a weak card, it's just there are many other cards out that are better for not much more in price.

I bought mine on clearance at best buy for $110 just a few weeks ago. The price for being in a retail store is actually really good and also I didn't have to wait the extra few days for shipping. So far I love it. So guys take my post as an FYI, NOT A RANT!

[erocker]

Yeah, I was saying a 3870, because a 3850 512MB and a 3870 are essentially the same (RV670 after all), and will likely hit the same clocks. Reason behind me saying it is that they've recently seen a price drop in England, don't know if they've followed in the US, but it makes 3850 512MB cards really cheap, tiny price difference between a 3850 512 and 256. It wasn't a point of "look ATi are the best evar nVidia suck". I was highlighting his miss-information. Telling people cards suck just because you don't like them is childish at best, and can result in other people wasting their money on something because they didn't know any better. I know of someone who would build PCs for people, he wouldn't touch intel core 2s with a 100 meter pole, he was utterly convinced they were rubish, and as a result, people were getting a bit less for their money.

Well said mate!:toast: With the resolution you are currently using, a 256mb card is just fine. If you plan on upgrading your monitor anytime soon, look for a good deal on a 512mb card. I'm speaking of the 3850's of course. The price on the 3850's are going to be cut in a few weeks from what I've read.

[candle_86]

http://hwbot.org/hardware.compare.do?type=gpu&id=1235_1&id=1236_1&id=1284_1&id=1082_1

even with oc'ing this shows the 3850/3870 to outperform the 8800GS on average

so you show sythetic tests, amazing.

First off 3dmark 01 and 03 use Shader paths Nvidia no longer programs for, the cards have the brute force to do it, that makes both of those more CPU bound than anything else.

[cdawall]

so you show sythetic tests, amazing.

First off 3dmark 01 and 03 use Shader paths Nvidia no longer programs for, the cards have the brute force to do it, that makes both of those more CPU bound than anything else.

i was just showing a comparison get a grip

[candle_86]

show me Cysis, FarCry, COD4, and MOH:A. Now prove in a real situation

[cdawall]

show me Cysis, FarCry, COD4, and MOH:A. Now prove in a real situation

all i did was throw up some numbers so he could get a feel how the cards worked honestly i dont care which he pics im not a fanboy if he wants a 8600 more power to him!

[trt740]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150275 get this XFX 8800 gs it's about equal to a 9600 gt or 3870 but costs 129.00 after a rebate, has a lifetime warranty , comes with a free 4gb jump drive and free shipping. It is about double the performance of a 8600 gts 512mb. According to Wizzard it is the best deal on a video card currently . You cannot go wrong with a 8800 gs,9600 gt or a 3870 card but the gs is currently alot cheaper and performs about the same and when overclocked is the equal of the other cards listed.

[newtekie1]

Yeah, I was saying a 3870, because a 3850 512MB and a 3870 are essentially the same (RV670 after all), and will likely hit the same clocks. Reason behind me saying it is that they've recently seen a price drop in England, don't know if they've followed in the US, but it makes 3850 512MB cards really cheap, tiny price difference between a 3850 512 and 256. It wasn't a point of "look ATi are the best evar nVidia suck". I was highlighting his miss-information. Telling people cards suck just because you don't like them is childish at best, and can result in other people wasting their money on something because they didn't know any better. I know of someone who would build PCs for people, he wouldn't touch intel core 2s with a 100 meter pole, he was utterly convinced they were rubish, and as a result, people were getting a bit less for their money.

The problem is that they are not the same. They use the same core, but that is where the similarities end. The 3850 512MB is a very different card than the 3870 512MB. The cores might be the same on paper, but they are binned lower. If you read the reviews of all the 3850s here, the cores on some of them do overclock to beyond 3870 speeds, however some don't even manage that. However, the memory NEVER gets to even 3870 speeds, forget about beyond.

I don't know what prices in the UK are for the cards, but in the states the 3850 256MB is $150, the same price as the 8800GS, and like I said already, the 8800GS does outperform it. Now the 3850 512MB is $185, so only $30 more. Which isn't really a big jump, but that is still an important jump because it puts it over the price of a 9600GT, which outperforms it.

I understand what you are saying/trying to do. However, you are really just as bad as him with spreading misinformation in this thread. Yes the term "anally rapes" is and exageration, but the truth is that it is sending the message that the 8800GS is better than the 3850, and it is. However, saying the 3850 will hit the same speeds as the 3870 is completely wrong. So who is worse here? Him for exagerating the truth, or you for providing 100% wrong information?

And since you want to talk about being childish. Personally, I think jumping right to calling someone a fanboy for stating what is essentially the truth, just exagerated a bit, is far more childish. If you don't agree with a statement, then post why you don't agree with it. You can just as easily get your point across without personally attacking the person.

[Xaser04]

Just for reference the following review from bit-tech shows the 8800GS against the powercolor HD3850PCS (which is available for just under £100 including VAT on ocuk)

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/02/28/mainstream_graphics_performance_1q08/1

They seem to trade blows depending entirely on the game although I do notice that the GS seems to suffer more with AA applied.

Of course the thing is an extra £10 buys you a 9600GT which is quicker than both.

It all depends what you are willing to pay.

[niko084]

look my thread, and then compare those scores to a 3870 on a similar system.

Hmm I'm scoring high 11k's without raising the voltage on my HD3850....
Willing to bet I could easily crack 13k with a bit of voltage, maybe even on my way to 14k.

Beyond that, yes your main weak point in your system is you video card...

Beyond Fanboyism...

8600GT/GTS if you can get it cheap enough or shoot straight for 8800GS/GT, HD3850