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largon
02-28-2008, 08:08 PM
[page=Introduction & Overview]
Introduction
Got an itch to push your new NVIDIA 8800 GS, GT or GTS 512MB a little by doing a voltage modification? Well, you're in luck. All you need is a soldering iron and some simple resistors.

Disclaimer:
Performing the voltmod will void any and all warranties of your video card.
You - and only you - are responsible for any damage caused indirectly (or directly) by these modifications.

Overview

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/149/images/8800GS_GT_GTS_back_500.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/149/images/8800GS_GT_GTS_back_1024.jpg)

Backside view of a GeForce 8800 GS/GT/GTS 512MB with an NVIDIA reference design circuit board.
Note the chips of interest (blue arrows) and vGPU and vMEM measurement points (green arrows).

[page=GPU Voltage Mod]
GPU Voltage Mod

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/149/images/8800GS_GT_GTS_vGPU_mod.jpg

Locate the chip labeled "Primarion PX3544" on the backside of the card. Solder a wire on the middle pin and another one on one of the outer pins of a 500 Ω variable resistor. I personally like to use those pins that make resistance decrease when the tuning screw of the VR is turned clockwise consequently increasing voltage. Cut or insulate the 3rd, unused pin. Use the resistance measuring mode of your digital multimeter and tune the VR to maximum resistance (very important!). You may want to write down on a piece of paper which way you need to turn the tuning screw in order to decrease resistance. Solder the free ends of the wires on the pads as depicted in the instruction picture above.

Tune down the resistance slowly to increase voltage. Don't be worried if the first few rotations don't seem make any difference, this is normal. The more rotations you turn the faster vGPU increses - so tread carefully.

Always monitor the resulting vGPU with your multimeter while tuning. Red probe to the point marked with a green arrow labeled as "vGPU" (see paragraph: Overview), black probe into a ground (Molex connector, eg.). Default vGPU voltage for the GeForce 8800 GT is ~1.10 V under 3D load. 33% overvolt (1.463 V under load) should be enough for maxing out the GPU under conventional cooling methods. Note that vGPU increases spontaneously by ~0.05 V when entering 3D load.

Caution!
Higher vGPU voltages can cause the heat output and temperature of the GPU chip and the voltage converter circuit to increase dramatically. Make sure you provide adequate cooling on the whole card when overvolted and overclocked.

[page=Memory Voltage Mod]
Memory Voltage Mod

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/149/images/8800GS_GT_GTS_vMEM_mod.jpg

Locate the chip labeled "6549CBZ" on the backside of the card. For this modification use a 20 kΩ variable resistor. Prepare the VR as described earlier. Solder the wires on legs #4 and #7 as per the instructive picture above.

Monitor the resulting voltage with your multimeter: Red probe to the point marked with a green arrow labeled as "vMEM" (see paragraph: Overview), black probe into a ground.

[page=Reverse Memory Voltage Mod]
Reverse memory voltage mod

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/149/images/8800GS_GT_GTS_Reverse_vMEM_mod.jpg

Certain memory chips such as Qimonda HYB18H512321BF perform sub-optimally at default vMEM voltage of 2.0 V (±3%). Higher overclocks can be achieved by slightly lowering the voltage fed to the chips. Reverse vMEM mod targets the very same Intersil 6549CBZ as the more conventional vMEM mod - but note that the reverse mod uses different legs on the chip (#4 and #13). For the modification use a 50 kΩ variable resistor. Every card and batch of GDDR3 RAM is unique for what comes to it's quirks - and blessings - so there is no universally applicable optimal vMEM voltage. You may be able to find a sweet spot from between 1.80 V and 2.00 V that allows a higher RAM overclock ranging from 50 MHz to even 100 MHz - or nothing at all.

[page=GPU Overcurrent Protection Mod]
GPU Over current protection Mod

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/149/images/8800GS_GT_OCP_mod.jpg http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/149/images/8800GTS_OCP_mod.jpg

High overclocks can increase the GPU's power consumption to a point that the built-in over current protection of the vGPU phase controller is triggered. OCP manifests as a sudden blackout during 3D load accompanied by a collapse of vGPU voltage to ~0 V. Reports indicate OCP activating at frequencies exceeding 850 MHz for GPU and 2 GHz for shaders respectively. Users with 2-phase GeForce 8800 GS and GT are more likely to encounter OCP compared to the owners of 3-phase GeForce 8800 GTS as higher number of phases means lower current flow per phase. Luckily, there is a way to push the OCP-trigger point by altering the resistance of certain capacitors lingering around Primarion PX3544 regulator chip. Note that reference design GeForce 8800 GS and GT cards have two "OCP capacitors" as these cards have a 2-phase vGPU regulation. The GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB on the other hand is a native 3-phase design and consequently has three "OCP capacitors".

Refer to the pictures above for a demonstration of the mod.

Default resistance measured across each of the surface mount capacitors is ~1.2 kΩ. In order to push further the OCP trigger-point this resistance needs to be lowered - this can be done by soldering resistors of appropriate values on top of the capacitors. Resistors rated at 4.2 kΩ should give enough headroom for most overclocks. Minimum recommended value for the added resistors is 1.2 kΩ. It is not advised to go below this value as these capacitors are also used for balancing the outputs of the vGPU phases and lower resistance only interferes with this function but yields no practical gains.

Note that OCP mod does not increase your overclock unless your card actually is limited by OCP:

Sudden blackouts during 3D load accompanied by freezing/resetting
Collapsing vGPU voltage

infrared
02-29-2008, 11:59 AM
Thanks largon, very useful article indeed.

warhammer
03-01-2008, 11:55 PM
Nice article Largon, what benefits would this mod give me. I can push my GPU to 780 with no probs.

largon
03-02-2008, 08:40 AM
warhammer,
780MHz at stock vGPU is really nice indeed, vGPU mod would allow you to push it well past 800MHz and with the right voltage I bet 900MHz could be gaming stable - assuming your card(s) are under water as well...
Shader clocks gain from vGPU too.

wolf
03-03-2008, 06:26 AM
at 1.3vcore+ i hit OCP, so im keeping it under that atm, max benchable freeq's are 840/2052 core/shader. at around 1.3v, atm i run my old oc (760/1836) jsut with 1.2v as it was not completely stable before and loves some extra juice.

weird thing is i get the very low volume high pitch whine/buzz that other 8800GT owners have talked about, it did this the first day i got it with no o/c's and doesnt seem to effect system stability....should i remove all mods and RMA?

warhammer
03-03-2008, 06:50 AM
Thank you for the explenation largon.

largon
03-03-2008, 08:38 AM
at 1.3vcore+ i hit OCP, so im keeping it under that atm, max benchable freeq's are 840/2052 core/shader. at around 1.3v, atm i run my old oc (760/1836) jsut with 1.2v as it was not completely stable before and loves some extra juice.
To be sure it's OCP that's limiting you measure the vGPU after the screen goes blank. When OCP activates vGPU goes to ~0v.weird thing is i get the very low volume high pitch whine/buzz that other 8800GT owners have talked about (...)The buzzing is nothing to be worried about. It's the vGPU coils that start resonating at high frequencies.

wolf
03-03-2008, 08:45 AM
so no need to RMA at all? no sweat? cos i am a little worried....

largon
03-03-2008, 09:12 AM
No worries, the coils that cause the buzzing are just simple coils of copper wire, they are pretty much indestructible so resonating will not hurt the card or the components. The buzz can be irritating though. :\

Pretty much all high-powered video cards do it anyways...

wolf
03-03-2008, 09:52 AM
cheers man you are an absolute legend, for the article, the advice .... jsut cheers man :D

candle_86
03-06-2008, 11:48 AM
No worries, the coils that cause the buzzing are just simple coils of copper wire, they are pretty much indestructible so resonating will not hurt the card or the components. The buzz can be irritating though. :\

Pretty much all high-powered video cards do it anyways...

my GS has yet to buzz

infrared
03-06-2008, 12:19 PM
Get a really quiet system, and turn the fan down on the card and i can pretty much guarantee that you'll hear a faint high pitch squeel when you open the 3d veiw in atitool. It's just that some cards are slightly louder than others.

albinowino
03-07-2008, 10:50 AM
First I must say this article is awesome and makes it all much simpler than reading through the massive XSF thread, thanks for taking the time to write it. I am wondering about the reverse VMem page however. From what I gather, this mod decreases voltage as resistance is lowered so to have the pot set up for CCW turns lowering the voltage, the pot needs to be wired differently. Do I have it right?

largon
03-07-2008, 05:56 PM
albinowino,
That's right. Anyways, I edited the pics for vMEM and Reverse_vMEM according to voltage change and tuning direction.
:)

albinowino
03-08-2008, 11:47 AM
Excellent! BTW I like the renditions of the wires and pots. So much easier on the eyes than dots :D I'll be trying the VMem pencil mod to see if my GT responds to more VMem. Stock is 1.88v strangely.

Titus
03-09-2008, 09:21 AM
Great thanks Largon :respect::respect::respect:

Nice thread ! I own a 8800 GS and i touch the limits wiyh it suddenly : i think i can push it more but not without a V-mod. I will take my soldering iron and follow your directives after a bios flashing test @ max actual stable frequencies.

:nutkick:

gOJDO
03-12-2008, 01:45 PM
Very good Largon! :toast:

But what about the Pencil/BIOS mods?

/me is making a custom water block but has no balls to do a hard mod on his GTS. :nutkick:

largon
03-20-2008, 09:37 PM
Pencil mod is not possible, and IMO the only BIOS mod worth mentioning would be a GDDR3 timing-tweak if you got the dreaded Qimonda onboard.

Titus
03-20-2008, 11:03 PM
... and IMO the only BIOS mod worth mentioning would be a GDDR3 timing-tweak if you got the dreaded Qimonda onboard.

If someone has an idea for a GDDR3 timing-tweak for Qimonda chips for my XFX 8800 GS bios modded :rolleyes:

nflesher87
03-28-2008, 07:34 PM
any recommendations on where best to purchase a soldering iron and resistors?
I have a DMM I can borrow from the physics department here at school :)

phyx1u5
05-13-2008, 08:10 AM
Hi there,
Just a query with the reverse volt mod, do you set the resistance of the resistor to minimal then turn up the resistance? or start at 50k ohms and turn down the resistance?
Also is a 1k ohm VR ok for the vgpu mod? Im not planning to exceed 1.35volts loaded
Cheers

largon
05-13-2008, 09:34 AM
Always set the VR to maximum resistance. And yes, 1kΩ is perfectly good for vGPU mod.

Laurijan
06-27-2008, 08:28 PM
Thanks lagron for this thread and the one at xtremesystems..

largon
06-27-2008, 08:31 PM
Cheers!
:)

Dar_T
06-30-2008, 12:00 PM
Hey largon, so I have my cards at 1.38v but every time I try to join a game in Cod4 it will use the over current protection on me. I was sort of unclear as to how to fix it in your OP. Since I have 8800 GTS and 3 points do I use two resistors? Which type of resistors (ohms).

Thanks

largon
06-30-2008, 03:07 PM
Dar_T,
What frequency you run your card?
What exactly happens when it crashes? Does vGPU drop to near 0 volts?

Anyways, for OCP mod, you must use 3 identical resistors each rated for, say, 3000Ω.

Dar_T
06-30-2008, 10:05 PM
I ran them at 882/2052/1115. My computer will just shut off and vGpu does drop to 0 volts right after the crash. So I take 3 resistors, each 3000ohms, then solder it onto those three points as depicted in the picture and then leave the other end dangling?

largon
06-30-2008, 11:02 PM
Ok, that sure sounds like OCP in work. :)

Dar_T
07-01-2008, 12:07 AM
So, just one last thing. I solder a resistor on each of the points and leave the other end free floating. Is that correct? Also what resistor should I use to bypass 1.38v? Btw, largon, thanks for all you help. Cheers. :toast:

largon
07-01-2008, 07:36 AM
Err...
I'm not sure what you mean by "leaving the other end free floating"? Normal resistors have two ends and if you solder the parts on the capacitors (that have 2 ends aswell) as per the guide there is no "other end" left to "float free".

OCP mod has pretty much nothing to with voltage tolerance. If your card doesn't like >1.38v there's nothing that can be done.

Dar_T
07-01-2008, 11:13 AM
lol sorry I'm totally confused now. In the pic in OP it shows two lines joining between the 3 capacitors does that mean I only need 2 resistors? One resistor linking 1st cap to 2nd cap and then a second linking 2nd cap to 3rd cap? Ohhh now I think I get what you mean. You put a resistor from the brown part to the question mark. Am I right? :p

Dar_T
07-01-2008, 12:58 PM
I noticed something weird while I was testing. When both cards are in the OCP is at 1.3v but when one card is in the OCP is at 1.4v.

largon
07-01-2008, 02:14 PM
The red lines & circles in the pic are just for highlighting where the capacitors we're interested reside. Inside each red circle there's a surface mount capacitor and on each of them there's a resistor "soldered" to demonstrate the mod. You just need to solder a 3kΩ resistor on top of each capacitor. Do not link the capacitors with the resistors.

Dar_T
07-01-2008, 06:29 PM
Doh. Should have seen that. Thanks. :D

boogerlad
07-17-2008, 02:57 PM
sorry for such a noob question, but for the vgpu voltage mod, alternativly, can you solder the middle pin on the vr to ground on the 6 pci-e power connector instead of the small point near the primarion ic? Thanks for the helpful guide! soldering to a small point like the one near the primarion ic is hard.

largon
07-17-2008, 03:40 PM
Any ground will do.

boogerlad
07-17-2008, 11:12 PM
Middle pin is connected to ground right?

largon
07-18-2008, 08:04 AM
In the guide pic (http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/149/images/8800GS_GT_GTS_vGPU_mod.jpg) the lower soldering point is ground. In the picture, middle pin is actually connected to a point (the upper point) that must be used.

albinowino
08-06-2008, 11:02 AM
Heya Largon, me again with a question about the OCP caps. One of the two on mine measured stock resistance to be 1.029K, the other 1.043K. I triple checked to confirm. Upon soldering 4.03K SMR's to each, the resistance now measures 660ohm and 841ohm, quadruple checked. I recall the resistance should be identical or else the phase balance could go out of whack. Is this normal?

hayder.master
08-06-2008, 11:11 AM
very good work largon , and very useful , thanx

largon
08-06-2008, 02:30 PM
Heya Largon, me again with a question about the OCP caps. One of the two on mine measured stock resistance to be 1.029K, the other 1.043K. I triple checked to confirm. Upon soldering 4.03K SMR's to each, the resistance now measures 660ohm and 841ohm, quadruple checked. I recall the resistance should be identical or else the phase balance could go out of whack. Is this normal?That's kinda weird 'cause the resulting resistances should be both above 800Ω. That 660Ω might indeed be a problem.
Perhaps the other SMR took some thermal damage while soldering and it's resistance got lower?

albinowino
08-06-2008, 10:17 PM
That's kinda weird 'cause the resulting resistances should be both above 800Ω. That 660Ω might indeed be a problem.
Perhaps the other SMR took some thermal damage while soldering and it's resistance got lower?
Oh man I hope not, haven't had problems so far with my 15 watt iron but it could be possible. I did desolder the SMR to test its individual resistance again and it was the same as pre-soldering. The cap could have been damaged though, don't know where I would get a replacement :banghead:

Update- this is very odd; the cap/SMR combo that once read 841ohm and I have not touched with the iron since then is now reading 664ohm and replacing the SMR that I tested onto the other cap is reading nearly the same at 661ohm. I checked the battery on the DMM, seems okay. I assume this would be safe to run it then? Should they both still be above 800ohm?

Update2- okay, solved the mystery of the yoyo resistances. When I have the positive lead of the DMM on the inside of the cap/SMR (towards the Primarion chip), I get ~840ohm on both. When the positive lead is on the outside of the cap/SMR, I get ~660ohm on both. This threw me for a loop as I thought it did not matter which lead was which on either side of the SMR. To make matters worse this "no clean" flux is more difficult to see than rosin so there was some flux dirtying up the leads.

boogerlad
08-10-2008, 06:14 PM
hey largon, i got a vr just like that in the picture, but it's rated at 64 watts. is that ok?

largon
08-10-2008, 07:42 PM
boogerlad,
Heh, that "64W" is not wattage rating. It's a standard code for a certain type of VR:
64 = 3/8" square device package
W = inline legs

"64Y" would be the same but with leg #2 (middle) higher than legs #1 and #3.

Anyhow, the VR is fine for this mod as long as it's 500-1000Ω.

jeanpieterse
08-20-2008, 03:25 PM
Hey Largon!

I really want to try this mod...! I've bought all the resistors..and i was ready to do it!
But my Card's PC Board is different to the one u showed.. I've got a XFX Nvidia Geforce 8800GS 384MB... And my chip's have different numbers..
I'm sure if i can locate the right vMEM and vGPU points.. and the two chips of interrest.. but i'm not sure on my card...

Can u help?

Thanks!!

jeanpieterse
08-20-2008, 03:50 PM
Hey largon,

I really want to try this mod!! But i have a problem.. I've got a XFX Nvidia GeForce 8800GS 384MB..
But my Card's PC Board is different to the one u showed.. I can't find the same chip's that you talked about.. my whole layout is different..

Can u help?

Thanks!

largon
08-20-2008, 04:02 PM
Can you post a picture of the backside of the card?

jeanpieterse
08-22-2008, 06:35 AM
hi largon,

Sorry my internet was off for a day of two.. I'v attatched two photo's..
The quality of the photo's isn't that leke... sorry about that.. I'll try to get a better one
if if u can't see clearly.. I just have to strip my PC..

Thanks hey!!

largon
08-22-2008, 07:25 AM
According to your pics the mod in the attached pic applies to your card.
:)

vGPU mod is 5kΩ VR between the points on the left side marked with red.
17665

If you find the pic hard to read feel free to post a macro pic of the same area on your card. Macro-mode is usually triggered by a button marked with a flower.
;)

jeanpieterse
08-22-2008, 11:00 AM
Thanks for your help!! I'll check it out!!!