Internet Explorer 5.5 Beats IE 6 and 7 in Web Standards Test

[Jimmy 2004]

Some readers may already be familiar with the Web Standards Project (http://webstandards.org/), which claims it “fights for standards that reduce the cost and complexity of development while increasing the accessibility and long-term viability of any site published on the Web.” The Acid Tests (http://www.acidtests.org/) provided by the project are commonly used as a benchmark to see how compatible different browsers are, and Internet Explorer has found itself on the end of much criticism when it comes to this, being beaten by nearly all competing browsers such as Opera, Firefox, Safari and Konqueror. However, in the recently launched Acid Test 3, the ancient Internet Explorer 5.5 manages to outscore both IE 6 and 7, reaching a still rather miserable 14% compared to 12% for the other two. Meanwhile, Konqueror leads the pack with 62%, with Firefox in fourth on 52% and Opera a little way down the table at 46%, ahead of Safari on 39%. In terms of beta browsers, Safari is well out in front on 90%, and IE 8 trails at the bottom on 17%.

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-03-11/acid-test-3_thm.png (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-03-11/acid-test-3.png)

Source: Anomalous Anomaly (http://www.anomalousanomaly.com/2008/03/06/acid-3/)

[Jimmy 2004]

Thanks to [I.R.A]_FBi (http://forums.techpowerup.com/member.php?u=39344) for sending this in.

[Solaris17]

i got a 67/100 with my firefox anyone else? im using beta4

[Dangle]

Can someone please explain why there is an emphasis on browser developers to follow certain standards and not the web-page creators?

[mdm-adph]

Can someone please explain why there is an emphasis on browser developers to follow certain standards and not the web-page creators?

Think about that question a second.

...thought about it?

Okay:

Why does it matter if web-page creators follow standards if browsers won't support them? If browser developers don't follow recommended standards, then web-page creators can't, either.

[Solaris17]

web page code kinda makes the standards....that and if browser developers follow standards its more secure.

[GJSNeptune]

Can someone please explain why there is an emphasis on browser developers to follow certain standards and not the web-page creators?

Why does it matter if web-page creators follow standards if browsers won't support them? If browser developers don't follow recommended standards, then web-page creators can't, either.

Precisely. How do you think all the computer parts you order fit together? Standards.


Web developers have to conform to browsers. The biggest headache is cross-browser compatibility. Someday it won't be such a big issue. Hopefully.

[Dangle]

Flash doesn't follow standards. If you want a 100% compliant browser, it wouldn't allow flash vids, or support anything befor XHTML Strict. If a website looks shitty, it's the creator's fault, not the browser's. I think the standard should be what people actually use, and not what a small group of uberNerds dictate. I thought nobody was supposed to own the internet.

How do you think all the computer parts you order fit together? Standards.
They don't. I don't have any IDE ports on my MOBO. I don't have an AMD socket. Most software isn't compatible on Mac, Windows, and Linux.

[GJSNeptune]

I hate Flash. It can be done tastefully, but most of the time it's abused and merely for the novelty of it.

[Dangle]

Yea, but the point is, there are no standards in the computer world. If you want to write software for a platform that most ppl use, you'll write it for windows. If there are a 100% standard for everything in tech, that would be a monopoly / communism, which is bad. You can't have a small elitest group dictate what must be done in the tech world.

If you really don't like the way IE displays dotted borders, get a different browser. problem solved.

[mdm-adph]

web page code kinda makes the standards....that and if browser developers follow standards its more secure.

Oh, how I wish that were the case.

Flash doesn't follow standards. If you want a 100% compliant browser, it wouldn't allow flash vids, or support anything befor XHTML Strict. If a website looks shitty, it's the creator's fault, not the browser's. I think the standard should be what people actually use, and not what a small group of uberNerds dictate. I thought nobody was supposed to own the internet.


Internally, Flash doesn't have to follow anyone's standards -- it's a plugin. Externally, it has to adhere to certain standards to work inside web pages, which it does.

But yeah, nobody's supposed to own the internet -- this includes Microsoft. The W3C (the organization that largely makes what is considered "standard" code on the web) is a healthy compromise -- it's board comprises members from many different companies, countries, and organizations, including Microsoft, if I'm not mistaken.

[mdm-adph]

If there are a 100% standard for everything in tech, that would be a monopoly / communism, which is bad. You can't have a small elitest group dictate what must be done in the tech world.

Funny -- if there's wasn't a pretty much 100% standard for how TCP/IP worked, you wouldn't even be able to say that. :shadedshu

[btarunr]

i got a 67/100 with my firefox anyone else? im using beta4

Strange but the GP beta4 you have beats the stable Opera 9.26 (8835) in Acid3

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2327458734_a1e2fe640b_o.jpg

[Dangle]

(flash) Externally, it has to adhere to certain standards to work inside web pages, which it does.Not W3's standards.

[asb2106]

firefox beta 4 -
http://img.techpowerup.org/080311/acid.jpg
sorry i thought i was beta 3, i forgot it updated this morning

[cdawall]

FF portable

http://img.techpowerup.org/080311/untitled.png

[Water Drop]

I get 52 in Acid 3 with Firefox 2.0.0.12 in Vista Ultimate x64. I get 12 in Acid 3 with IE7 64 bit under the same OS. Also get 12 with IE7 non-64 bit (regular 32 bit IE7).

[Dangle]

If not a single browser can render that page sucessfully, then it's obviously not representing any sort of standard whatsoever. That's George Bush announcing that Arabic is the United States' standard langage.

[cdawall]

explorer 6.00.29 got 11/100 :roll:

[mdm-adph]

Not W3's standards.

Yes, W3's standards: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3

Have you ever worked in web design before? If so, you should know that just because MS has their own hacked-together method for doing something doesn't mean there isn't a standardized way of doing it (methods which companies like Adobe adhere to).

[mdm-adph]

If not a single browser can render that page sucessfully, then it's obviously not representing any sort of standard whatsoever. That's George Bush announcing that Arabic is the United States' standard langage.

No, it isn't. (Please don't compare the W3C to George Bush.) This is like a group of the world's most premier linguists and experts on language declaring that Navajo should be the standard language of the United States because it best represents the original ideas of the country.

No, it might not be entirely practical, because we've all grown up speaking something differently, but an intelligent person should at least acknowledge this eminent group's advice, don't you think?

[csendesmark]

Opera 9.26 is doing Acid2 fine :)
but FF 2.0.0.12 cant draw correctly
(My favorite is Opera of course)

[Darknova]

Opera 9.5 latest BETA gets 65
IE8 gets 17
IE8 in IE7mode gets 14
The latest full Opera gets to 52 before crashing lol.

That's what I get on my PC with those browsers.

[imperialreign]

Kinda funny, IMO, how IE continues to *fail* at these "web standards" tests, when the majority of websites on the internet are still coded more for IE over other browsers . . .

so, which specific standard are we going by, then?

[Dangle]

Yes, W3's standards: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3Show me one site that validates in XHTML Strict with an embedded flash object.

No, it might not be entirely practical, because we've all grown up speaking something differently, but an intelligent person should at least acknowledge this eminent group's advice, don't you think?Absolutely not. It's a waste of time and won't get anybody anywhere. We've already adopted a standard - it's called popular use. Whatever people are using is the standard. If you come up with some POS that NOBODY is using, you can't call it a standard.

[asb2106]

Opera 9.5 latest BETA gets 65
IE8 gets 17
IE8 in IE7mode gets 14
The latest full Opera gets to 52 before crashing lol.

That's what I get on my PC with those browsers.

first off, let me make this known, i will never use IE

but in defense of IE 8, it is in its first stage of BETA, it will take some time to work it all together

[beyond_amusia]

I'm using IE 8. :)

[beyond_amusia]

We've already adopted a standard - it's called popular use. Whatever people are using is the standard. If you come up with some POS that NOBODY is using, you can't call it a standard.

Yup. And people cannot say that MS FORCED them to use IE, because if you're smart enuff to DL porn and spyware, then you can most likely install a 'secure' browser, a.k.a. make for people who do stupid things online, lmao.

[asb2106]

IE bought the "standard". If they hadent bullied Netscape out in the 90's we would have a better war on or hands now. And let us be thankful for what netscape has brought us, they have made it possible for other companies to compete with microsoft.

Now dont get me wrong, I hated netscape back then, it was too slow, IE was better. But ever since the release of Firefox, internet life has been good for me.

Who brought us tabbed browsing?? wasnt IE
Who brought us endless extensions to form your browser for you? wasnt IE

IE rules only because it sits on computers that have windows on it, and last time I counted - it was a whole bunch. Any tech place (maximum PC, here, torrent sites), they all get a majority of hits from browsers that are not IE. I like to compare it to MSN. I am not a fan of MSN.com, but it is a highly hit site - and you know why, people dont bother changing their hompage. it makes me :(:(. I like MS, but I dont think they deserve all the free hits.

[asb2106]

Yup. And people cannot say that MS FORCED them to use IE, because if you're smart enuff to DL porn and spyware, then you can most likely install a 'secure' browser, a.k.a. make for people who do stupid things online, lmao.

not true, I have 100 dumb field guys that I service their computers, they are smart enough to download porn, and viruses, but they are not even smart enough to erase the porn off their desktops!!!!!!!!!! THen they send it back to me for repairs, because and I quote "It doesnt work right any more - what the hell is wrong with it - peice of shit..."

[btarunr]

Meh. I don't care if my browser fails these tests as long as it can render all the websites I visit properly. --Statement holds good now but not so with websites of the future adhering to newer standards. --But by then Mozilla, Opera ASA and Micro$oft will come up with browsers that can do so. --So it's all pointless.

[csendesmark]

first off, let me make this known, i will never use IE

but in defense of IE 8, it is in its first stage of BETA, it will take some time to work it all together

I dont like use beta browsers, because I need stability!

And I never like to use IE

[Darknova]

I dont like use beta browsers, because I need stability!

And I never like to use IE

Well that is entirely your choice. I on the other hand like to use BETA stuff, because then I can help the company who created the BETA to get it right, and MS REALLY needs to get IE8 right this time, especially as the new rendering engine is completely fudged currently, although as I've explained before that's due to the code pages submit to the browser on recognising it as IE.

I've always used IE. Interface is nice (I was part of the BETA so we actually had a say in that), pages loaded quickly, sure it didn't innovate (Opera brought tabs and extensions) but why does that make it a lesser product? It just means they realised what people wanted (after a lot of hounding I must say) and implemented something we all wanted.

And as to Dangles point, the reason for trying to set a standard that is not IE's is so that you can have OTHER browsers that aren't paying to MS to use their code, that would stifle competition. Also, if you hadn't noticed, part of MS's code actually breaks the rendering on other browsers unless they identify as IE.

Think about it for a second, if MS was so happy with the way IE7 rendered the pages, why would they create an ENTIRELY new engine to comply with Web Standards?

[csendesmark]

Opera build 9815/1834 (9.5 Beta)
65/100 :) :rockout:

http://3thumb.skins.be/6/9/7/7/6/4/opera-9815.jpg (http://image.skins.be/697764/opera-9815/)

[mdm-adph]

Show me one site that validates in XHTML Strict with an embedded flash object.

Did you even look at that URL I posted? Who said anything about XHTML Strict? The HTML 4.01 standard is still used for most professional websites today, including CNN.com, Dell.com, and hell, even Microsoft.com!

If you come up with some POS that NOBODY is using, you can't call it a standard.

Funny, you do realize Microsoft is trying to do this exact thing right now with their MSOOXML document "standard"... :rolleyes:

[Solaris17]

lol i love how like i got 67 and was like w0ot and other ppl got like 50's and 60's were like ya !!!!! but in the end all of us see a big fail logo lol

[asb2106]

wow, this one seems like a failure.....

IE8 Beta 1

http://img.techpowerup.org/080312/ie8 acid 3.jpg

[Solaris17]

now thats just impressive fail.

[Dangle]

Did you even look at that URL I posted? Who said anything about XHTML Strict? The HTML 4.01 standard is still used for most professional websites today, including CNN.com, Dell.com, and hell, even Microsoft.com!


EXACTLY!!! It's the standard because people actually use it!!!! W3 says XHTML is the standard. You can go by what a small group of people tell you they think the standard should be, or you can go by the standard of what is actually standard use!

According to W3, XHTML is the standard. Flash doesn't validate in XHTML. So according to W3, Flash is a Violation. W3, standards = LAME!

[GJSNeptune]

No, Flash = lame.

US broadband = lame.

[asb2106]

No, Flash = lame.

US broadband = lame.

how is US broadband lame??

[GJSNeptune]

How is it not? It's super slow compared the other places on this planet.

[thoughtdisorder]

Flash doesn't follow standards. If you want a 100% compliant browser, it wouldn't allow flash vids, or support anything befor XHTML Strict. If a website looks shitty, it's the creator's fault, not the browser's. I think the standard should be what people actually use, and not what a small group of uberNerds dictate. I thought nobody was supposed to own the internet.

Has anyone conferred with Al Gore on this matter?:laugh:

[imperialreign]

Think about it for a second, if MS was so happy with the way IE7 rendered the pages, why would they create an ENTIRELY new engine to comply with Web Standards?

I think it has more to do with a large portion of the internet community who have very little technical knowledge and that keep reading post after post in one forum after the next how IE can't properly render these tests - and it's pressuring MS to change the core of a perfectly good browser that has been accepted as "the standard" for over a decade.

I'm sorry, but if a browser (or any progeram for that matter) is considered "open source," I can't view that as being capable of affecting a "standard" - the software is free, it's free to code and develop, and there is no official support. IMO, it'd be the same effect as if all the primary developers of the different linux distributions clambored together to enact a standard for a operating system, and claiming that WIN fails because it doesn't meet their standards.

How is it not? It's super slow compared the other places on this planet.

TBH, broadband here in the US is capable of the same speeds as the rest of the world . . . it just depends on the region where you live, and how deep your pockets are (ain't capitalism great?). I'm sorry, but in this region, we only have two choices for broadband, Cox Communications and Verizon. Verizon FiOS is faster than Cox Broadband, but I'm not willing to spend $150/mth for only 15/kbps speeds when 3/kbps is just fine at $40/mth. Or, you could spend $140/mth for Cox's 13/kbps high speed connection - and be stuck with their speed caps and neighborhood access points which slows you down immensly.

If you've got the loot - Verizon here also offers 30-50/kbps speeds . . . starting at $300/mth :shadedshu

[asb2106]

How is it not? It's super slow compared the other places on this planet.

im gonna have to argue there, I have a 18mb connection at home and a 30mb connection at work, both residentually available broadbands, its all about what you pay for

[asb2106]

Think about it for a second, if MS was so happy with the way IE7 rendered the pages, why would they create an ENTIRELY new engine to comply with Web Standards?

Well that can be debated for alot of reasons,

sometimes people like new things, and a new fresh feel with new stated capabilities could drive more traffic for there browser.

also, I presonally feel microsoft likes to anticipate what is to come(sometimes they are wrong/sometimes they are right). They feel they can jump the gun and do what is wanted tommorow, but have it done today. It normally backfires

[GJSNeptune]

I meant our broadband providers don't give us what we deserve. Real broadband makes you sell one of your kids. I didn't mean that our infrastructure isn't capable. It's just not as widespread as it ought to be, and it shouldn't be at such a high premium. Our companies take their time and don't seem to care much.

[asb2106]

I meant our broadband providers don't give us what we deserve. Real broadband makes you sell one of your kids. I didn't mean that our infrastructure isn't capable. It's just not as widespread as it ought to be, and it shouldn't be at such a high premium. Our companies take their time and don't seem to care much.

true, but I will say, we should be thankful that our ISPs care so little. It could be alot worse and they could be stopping torrent traffic and limiting us to certain usages. It could be much worse. I pay 60 a month for 18mb. The 30mb is 129 month. It could be alot worse.

I have little compaints about our ISPs.

[imperialreign]

true, but I will say, we should be thankful that our ISPs care so little. It could be alot worse and they could be stopping torrent traffic and limiting us to certain usages. It could be much worse. I pay 60 a month for 18mb. The 30mb is 129 month. It could be alot worse.

I have little compaints about our ISPs.

quite a few ISPs are already known for limiting torrent dl/ul speeds, and also imposing speed caps during certain times of the day. Cox Communications is notorious for it. Verizon is one of the few that don't place restrictions on their customers. If you pay for 3/5/8+kbps, that's what you'll get.

IDK, I guess in areas where there is little competition between companies, it leaves a lot more room for complaints. I'd love to be able to purchase a true high-speed connection instead of 3/kbps, but Verizon charges way too much, and Cox's service is tripe. There are no other companies with service in this metropolitan region, so I'm out of luck. :ohwell:

[GJSNeptune]

That's not the kind of care I'm talking about. I'm referring to their services, not their monitoring. They don't care a whole lot about us having great service, great speeds, and not breaking the bank.

[candle_86]

How is it not? It's super slow compared the other places on this planet.

ok, i have a 6mb broadband and it does everything i actully need it to, cable offers up to 10mb usally. Im using DSL myself and am very happy with it. IF you have 40mb/s can your page load any faster? Yes if the webpage is set to allow you to connect at 40mb/s but does .0000004 really load faster than 00000000.4 seconds, i think we know the answer not really, both appear at frankly the same time.

[btarunr]

ok, i have a 6mb broadband and it does everything i actully need it to, cable offers up to 10mb usally. Im using DSL myself and am very happy with it. IF you have 40mb/s can your page load any faster? Yes if the webpage is set to allow you to connect at 40mb/s but does .0000004 really load faster than 00000000.4 seconds, i think we know the answer not really, both appear at frankly the same time.

Mathematically yes, that's 0.4 seconds alright. :)

[asb2106]

ok, i have a 6mb broadband and it does everything i actully need it to, cable offers up to 10mb usally. Im using DSL myself and am very happy with it. IF you have 40mb/s can your page load any faster? Yes if the webpage is set to allow you to connect at 40mb/s but does .0000004 really load faster than 00000000.4 seconds, i think we know the answer not really, both appear at frankly the same time.

i do much more than load web pages, thats one of the things I could care less about.

With all the computers I work on, I would say on average, I dl about 1 to 2 gigs a day(of legit stuff) drivers, apps, games ect.

and if I had to wait on a DSL connection I would go crazy, aint gonna happen - 60 bucks for 18mb seems good to me

[beyond_amusia]

Who brought us tabbed browsing?? wasnt IE


And niether did FireFox or Opera; BookLink Technologies' InternetWorks web browser had 'tabbed' browsing in 1994, and it was the first web browser to impliment
tabbed windowing, which has been around since 1988. :)


not true, I have 100 dumb field guys that I service their computers, they are smart enough to download porn, and viruses, but they are not even smart enough to erase the porn off their desktops!!!!!!!!!! THen they send it back to me for repairs, because and I quote "It doesnt work right any more - what the hell is wrong with it - peice of shit..."

I know what you mean. I fixed one retard's PC 3 or 4 times because of it and they said i was doin a shitty job, so I told them to stuff it up theie ass. :)

My view is this, stupid people should not be allowed near a PC and because of this view, no one is allowed near my PC or my dead server, lmao.
Let's face it; stupid people are the main reason spyware, adware and viruses exist. I'd say over 90% of malware needs you to install it or go to a website that's obviously dangerous. I've been virusa and spyware free for over a year; last time I got spyware was when someone used my Pc.

[asb2106]

And niether did FireFox or Opera; BookLink Technologies' InternetWorks web browser had 'tabbed' browsing in 1994, and it was the first web browser to impliment
tabbed windowing, which has been around since 1988. :)

yah i knew someone did way back in the day, wasnt sure who, but i knew it wasnt IE, so Im happy :)




I know what you mean. I fixed one retard's PC 3 or 4 times because of it and they said i was doin a shitty job, so I told them to stuff it up theie ass. :)

My view is this, stupid people should not be allowed near a PC and because of this view, no one is allowed near my PC or my dead server, lmao.
Let's face it; stupid people are the main reason spyware, adware and viruses exist. I'd say over 90% of malware needs you to install it or go to a website that's obviously dangerous. I've been virusa and spyware free for over a year; last time I got spyware was when someone used my Pc.

Yah, people like that kinda bother me, but they are also who "write my paycheck" - whether Im at the office, or my own business. So I cannot complain

[beyond_amusia]

Yah, people like that kinda bother me, but they are also who "write my paycheck" - whether Im at the office, or my own business. So I cannot complain

I'd like to line them all up and pimp-smack them, hehe, but like you, when I need $ they are the the ones I turn to... an easy $50 for an XP re-install.

[asb2106]

I'd like to line them all up and pimp-smack them, hehe, but like you, when I need $ they are the the ones I turn to... an easy $50 for an XP re-install.

exactly, or they say that they cannot do a reinstall, so i spend 3 hours cleaning all the traces of garbage and charge 100!!! or just backup data and reinstall(which i do for myown sake!)

[beyond_amusia]

exactly, or they say that they cannot do a reinstall, so i spend 3 hours cleaning all the traces of garbage and charge 100!!! or just backup data and reinstall(which i do for myown sake!)

I usually ask, "Is there ANYTHING you want off the computer?" they say "No" and I say "No music? No pictures?" And they say "Oh! I need my pictures off there! and my music! can you copy them or will I lose them?" and I'm like :wtf: . lol.

[beyond_amusia]

Oh, forgot to add, it's my standard practice to recover files first, burn them to a CD, verify the data, and then re-format to ensure no spyware remains.

[asb2106]

Oh, forgot to add, it's my standard practice to recover files first, burn them to a CD, verify the data, and then re-format to ensure no spyware remains.

oh yeah, but i always get the.... but then I will have to reinstall my sims.

"yes you will"

well i dont have all the disks

"well let me see what I can do"

ok

HEHE:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[beyond_amusia]

oh yeah, but i always get the.... but then I will have to reinstall my sims.

"yes you will"

well i dont have all the disks

"well let me see what I can do"

ok

HEHE:laugh::laugh::laugh:

lmao. Lucky me these people just use their PCs for MySpace and porn and "free smilies!" "free cursors!" "toolbars!" "weatherbug!" "winfixer!" ect.... I deplore the companies that make that shit and get away with it. and those smilies... *shutters* they scare me just seeing the ad for them online.

[mdm-adph]

EXACTLY!!! It's the standard because people actually use it!!!! W3 says XHTML is the standard. You can go by what a small group of people tell you they think the standard should be, or you can go by the standard of what is actually standard use!

According to W3, XHTML is the standard. Flash doesn't validate in XHTML. So according to W3, Flash is a Violation. W3, standards = LAME!

Close -- XHTML is a standard, not the standard. No one makes you use XHTML.

But I don't quite get your point -- the W3C made the HTML 4.0 standard too... :wtf:

ok, i have a 6mb broadband and it does everything i actully need it to, cable offers up to 10mb usally. Im using DSL myself and am very happy with it. IF you have 40mb/s can your page load any faster? Yes if the webpage is set to allow you to connect at 40mb/s but does .0000004 really load faster than 00000000.4 seconds, i think we know the answer not really, both appear at frankly the same time.

I, for one, couldn't care less what my download speed is -- it's latency I'm concerned about... :P

[Dangle]

Flash = lame.It is? How often do you use this site (http://www.youtube.com)?

[Dangle]

Close -- XHTML is a standard, not the standard. No one makes you use XHTML.

But I don't quite get your point -- the W3C made the HTML 4.0 standard too... :wtf:

Xhtml is the standard, according to W3. HTml 4.0 is old and has depricated tags, and doesn't follow certain accessibility standards according to W3 - that's why they made XHTML. You can't have 2 standards. If so, there is no standard...

[GJSNeptune]

It is? How often do you use this site (http://www.youtube.com)?

Maybe twice a month.

[GJSNeptune]

Xhtml is the standard, according to W3. HTml 4.0 is old and has depricated tags, and doesn't follow certain accessibility standards according to W3 - that's why they made XHTML. You can't have 2 standards. If so, there is no standard...

Why is flexibility so bad? W3 is striving for a standard, but it can't be adopted overnight.

[GJSNeptune]

Flash doesn't follow standards. If you want a 100% compliant browser, it wouldn't allow flash vids, or support anything befor XHTML Strict. If a website looks shitty, it's the creator's fault, not the browser's. I think the standard should be what people actually use, and not what a small group of uberNerds dictate. I thought nobody was supposed to own the internet.

Let's go back to this post of yours.

You want the standard to be what people use, which is more and more becoming XHTML. Or do you want them to maintain pedestrian web pages that look great in IE5 and horrible in modern browsers? How do any standards ever exist without a group of people to contrive them? You want mother nature to do it?

What's your infatuation with Flash?

[Dangle]

All I'm saying is there nobody is using 'Standards'. If they were, there would be at least 1 browser that passes the Acid test. No browser does. There's no standard. so stop bitching about standards.

[asb2106]

All I'm saying is there nobody is using 'Standards'. If they were, there would be at least 1 browser that passes the Acid test. No browser does. There's no standard. so stop bitching about standards.

standards are too boring anyways, its just like OS's. If the only OS was windows a portion of people would be pissed, thats what MAC & Linux are for. The internet sticks to a very simple standard - HTML. But some sites use different protocols, its all good, if we want to open those sites then we find a browser that can do it.

As long as we have individualism, there will never be a standard. The last few generations of man hates standard.

[GJSNeptune]

All I'm saying is there nobody is using 'Standards'. If they were, there would be at least 1 browser that passes the Acid test. No browser does. There's no standard. so stop bitching about standards.

You're the only one bitching about standards. And Flash not conforming to them. Nothing passes the Acid text 100% yet. If pessimists like you were behind things, we'd surely in trouble. Let us evolve. We'll get there.

The Internet is quite different. Man loves the Internet. Man likes when websites display properly.

You want people to have to install every browser, or choose browsers like they do video game consoles? "Gee, YouTube only works with Firefox, but TPU only works with IE8."

[cdawall]

You're the only one bitching about standards. And Flash not conforming to them. Nothing passes the Acid text 100% yet. If pessimists like you were behind things, we'd surely in trouble. Let us evolve. We'll get there.

The Internet is quite different. Man loves the Internet. Man likes when websites display properly.

You want people to have to install every browser, or choose browsers like they do video game consoles? "Gee, YouTube only works with Firefox, but TPU only works with IE8."

if tpu only works on IE8 i'm leaving tpu :nutkick:

[csendesmark]

Opera gets 100/100 on ACID3 web standard test :rockout:
(...and the only browser wich can draw corretly ACID1 + ACID2 tests :) )

Link: Click here (http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2008/03/26/opera-and-the-acid3-test)

The race is over...

[GJSNeptune]

Way more people use Firefox, which will eventually be 100/00 anyway.

There is no race. ;)

[csendesmark]

Way more people use Firefox, which will eventually be 100/00 anyway.

There is no race. ;)
Yes, right: the others will pass these tests too
... and more people will use FF ...and IE ->

does not influence the quality how many people use these programs... :rolleyes:

[GJSNeptune]

I made no reference to quality. As long as more people are using Firefox than Opera, I'm going to code in Firefox, which has always been free and has had a huge community for add-ons and themes.

Don't you wonder why more people use Firefox even though Opera performs better on the Acid tests?

[cdawall]

because opera has issues. it wont work with my bank account or several other sites that work fine on FF

[csendesmark]

because opera has issues. it wont work with my bank account or several other sites that work fine on FF

This is why created the Web Standards Project
cos the webdesigners make the websites for the major browsers mostly for IS (Internet Suxxplorer :D )
which is an anti-standard browser

If all browser use the same standars, you wont get this problem with your bank acc ;)

[cdawall]

This is why created the Web Standards Project
cos the webdesigners make the websites for the major browsers mostly for IS (Internet Suxxplorer :D )
which is an anti-standard browser

If all browser use the same standars, you wont get this problem with your bank acc ;)

i know that i just became frustrated that not only did FF work but IE 6 worked...and how much older is IE6??