A Couple Bad Sticks; Your recommendations needed!

[JrRacinFan]

Really just looking for some insight as to what I should replace my current sticks with. Also, if anyone has any first hand experience with the following kits:

This
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

and/or

These
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231144
EDIT: after looking at the second set, they require more voltage than the first. DO you think I could get the first set to run the same as the second?

Like was stated earlier, I need 1.8v MCH & 2.1v for 1:1 divider @ 333fsb 5-5-5-15 timings just to be benchmark stable. I can game for at least 2 hours though(never sat and played a game for any longer constant) @ 800mhz 3:5 divider ~266fsb 5-5-5-15 timings.

I am thinking of replacing my current sticks with the above or if you guys feel there is no problem and shouldn't worry about it, I won't worry either. Thanks in advance!

EDIT: corrected system settings

[AsRock]

i had these for about a week and ran the 1066 ran fine in fact thinking of picking 2 pairs of them up.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145

[JrRacinFan]

Little expensive for my tastes but thanks though!

[DanishDevil]

If you want a cheap OCing Micron D9 2GB or 4GB kit, look here:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85026-4&prodlist=celebros

and here for the 4GB kit:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10008006&ps=homain1

4gb kit comes with the fan too. Cheapest Micron D9's I could find. From the DDR2 Ram List:

PC2-8500C5D DOMINATOR Rev 1.1 & 1.2 & 1.3


5.0-5-5-15 @ 2.2V


Micron D9GMH (B6-3) Handpicked
Micron D9GKX (B6-25E) Handpicked

[Wile E]

If you want a cheap OCing Micron D9 2GB or 4GB kit, look here:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85026-4&prodlist=celebros

and here for the 4GB kit:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10008006&ps=homain1

4gb kit comes with the fan too. Cheapest Micron D9's I could find. From the DDR2 Ram List:

Not all of the Corsair Dominator kits are D9 anymore. A good majority of them are Promos. The sad thing about it, you can't tell which is which. The Promos and Micron kits both carry the same part number.

I've noticed that the DDR2 list is starting to get a bit behind on some of these things.

[Cold Storm]

Random has 4sticks of the first pick. they do oc pretty good. I would go with them personally.

[Wile E]

I say get these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208329

[Cold Storm]

how are those??? because I've heard a few people say good, and a few that say bad...

[DanishDevil]

In the AxeRAM thead, they say that the 800s can use other than D9s, so go with the two faster speed-rated modules.

As far as the Corsair Dominators, the ram list says that ProMOS chips are used on the 6400 modules. Do you know of anyone who got something other than Micron D9s on 8500 modules?

[JrRacinFan]

OMG, You guys are talking about aXeRAM and Dominators, which are way out of my budget. All I need is something to be able to take 750mhz 4-4-4-12 timings completely stable. Also can't be $50 after MIR, all I have at the moment is $0. I see the transcend's and those look wonderful Wile E.

[Wile E]

In the AxeRAM thead, they say that the 800s can use other than D9s, so go with the two faster speed-rated modules.

As far as the Corsair Dominators, the ram list says that ProMOS chips are used on the 6400 modules. Do you know of anyone who got something other than Micron D9s on 8500 modules?
Yeah, there have been reports all over the net about it. Even many 1066 kits aren't shipping with D9 anymore. Promos will do that easily, btw. My Promos G.Skill 4-4-3-5 800 kit will do 1066 5-5-5-15 on stock voltage. Promos aren't bad chips with low voltage, but they just don't scale well with high voltage. Kinda fall on their face above 2.25V.

[Cold Storm]

the transends are 50 dollars.... think it would do you good

[JrRacinFan]

I am going to try something, brb and will edit this post with what I found!

EDIT: Ok here we go! 3DMark03 cpu runs only completely benchable and stable at the following settings with the following voltages:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080317/Capture012480.jpg
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12882&stc=1&d=1205813553
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12883&stc=1&d=1205813553

But, Aquamark3 crashes at these settings?!

[JrRacinFan]

OK above post edited.

[Cold Storm]

AquaMark allows PC users to easily benchmark their current and next-generation PCs by measuring and comparing the performance of the systems. AquaMark provides a reliable benchmark which helps users to configure their systems for the best gaming performance

3dmark is for full system, where as Aquamark is in game situations.

[JrRacinFan]

So, should I run a 3Dmark03 run for you? I can run one @ 1440x900.

Also I adjusted some settings and am now running 320FSB and 800Mhz ram 4-4-4-15 2.1v / 1.95v MCH.

[JrRacinFan]

OK so, I found out I had to up my northbridge volts even futher for this bench to run on the previous posted settings with 2v MCH.
http://img.techpowerup.org/080318/Capture013.jpg
That run is at 1440x900 looped both game test twice and Aquamark3 still crashes.

Anyone know of a driver previous to 158's that are compatible with an 8600GT?

[Wile E]

Does Aquamark keep crashing on Massive Overdraw?

[JrRacinFan]

Nope right after the opening intro with the green triangle. I am trying something as we speak. I am going to try to do a 3dmark03 run with 169.04's and my max clocks in my specs.

[DanishDevil]

AquaMark's been funky on me lately. This system would blow through it compared to the last one I used it on, but it refuses to finish. It's weird. I assumed it didn't like my system and stopped using it.

[JrRacinFan]

Nope, 388FSB with 776mhz ram and 5-5-5-15 timings is a no go. 3DMark03 crashes at Troll's Lair.

[JrRacinFan]

OK guess what ... LOOK LOOK!!!
I have a feeling it is my northbridge overheating! This run was done with a house fan blowing in my case without side panel on.
http://img.techpowerup.org/080318/Capture014.jpg
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12894&stc=1&d=1205819689
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12895&stc=1&d=1205819689
And as you can tell I ran less voltage through my RAM.

I am going to try something, be right back and post another update.

[JrRacinFan]

Yup guys, can't post anything above ddr 400 in dual channel.

But answer me this, What would cause me to have to underclock my video card's memory to 550mhz for me to run Aquamark?

I have done some extensive testing in rig#2 with the video card and I don't have to underclock it in that machine.

[DanishDevil]

Could be a few things. One is heat, but not in your situation. Two is power. How do your PSUs and hardware power demands differ in the machines?

[JrRacinFan]

Well only basic difference between the 2 is a netburst processor and rig #2's psu is 26A single rail, rig #1 is 17a dual rail. Rig #1 is running a single dvd drive, Rig 2 is running dual drives. So I doubt it is power though, I think I just need a cooler for this video card instead, pretty weird.

I just reapplied some fresh thermal paste to the card's gpu and reseated the cooler. I am going to see how that does.

[JrRacinFan]

Still no good, only other option I have not exhausted was to try the card in rig 2 again @ stock clocks. Right now running 540/1188/565 clocks on the video card.

Anymore insight guys would be appreciated, Thanks TPU so far!

EDIT: But I also beleive it is just Aquamark3, I had just ran 3 runs of 3Dmark03's Nature Test underclocked, default and overclocked @ 560/1350/700. Ranging in between 81fps, 83fps and 88fps, respectively.

[Wile E]

Still no good, only other option I have not exhausted was to try the card in rig 2 again @ stock clocks. Right now running 540/1188/565 clocks on the video card.

Anymore insight guys would be appreciated, Thanks TPU so far!

EDIT: But I also beleive it is just Aquamark3, I had just ran 3 runs of 3Dmark03's Nature Test underclocked, default and overclocked @ 560/1350/700. Ranging in between 81fps, 83fps and 88fps, respectively.You should try testing it with games. Also test for artifacts with the furry cube in ATI Tool.

The furry donut OpenGL bench is really hard on the cards as well. It produces more heat than almost anything else I've seen. Maybe loop that for a while.

Overall, it almost sounds like it's just an AM3 conflict of some sort. Did you try re-installing it?

[Cold Storm]

here is a patch (http://files.aoaforums.com/I2598-Direcpll.zip.html) that I had to do with my system.
I know you had vista in the system before, you might need to do what Wile E is saying and re-install Aqua. But, the patch worked for me

[JrRacinFan]

@Wile E

EXACTLY! I even overclocked and ran an OpenGL donut test and did not crash at all. I can play Pro Street maxed for a couple hours on end. Overclocked may I add.

@ColdStorm

A patch? What does this patch do?

EDIT: if it helps any, I did install the DirectX 10 hack for Win XP.

[Cold Storm]

why'd ya do that man! lol... take the hack out and try it... The patch is for systems that had a freeze in Aquamarks when it was running, or anything like that. It should work well for you

[JrRacinFan]

That's the bad part, once you install it the only way to get rid of it is to do a complete clean Windows install.

[JrRacinFan]

All you guys are going to laugh at me. It was a resolution problem.

Ok in basics: Aquamark3 was calling for 640x480 for it's pre-benchmark in-menu resolution, my monitor will not display that over DVI input. So it caused my nVidia driver's to become unstable and then in turn my monitor's driver to crash.

How I found this out: I underclocked my video card's memory so it can stay stable to not crash. I then set 1440x900 as an an in-menu resolution. I can now set 625/1600/800 video card clocks and benchmark them in Aquamark3. I will post a screenshot as soon as I am done benching.

Thanks everyone! Turns out it was just me trying to do something and drivers did not like it!

EDIT: System benched. Not too too bad!
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x278/jrracinfan/AquaMark.gif
http://img.techpowerup.org/080319/Capture015.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080319/Capture016.jpghttp://img.techpowerup.org/080319/Capture018.jpg

So now the question is still intact, Should I get some new ram or no?

[Wile E]

I still say yes. Intels benefit from faster ram. They like the bandwidth. Anything below 800MHz is kinda choking them, unless you could get CAS3 at those speeds.

[JrRacinFan]

Ok, what about this instead Wile E?

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x278/jrracinfan/AquaMark-1.gif
http://img.techpowerup.org/080319/Capture019.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080319/Capture020.jpghttp://img.techpowerup.org/080319/Capture021.jpghttp://img.techpowerup.org/080319/Capture022.jpg

[Wile E]

Nah, still new ram. 4-4-4-12 would be much better at those speeds.

[JrRacinFan]

Mmk, well after playing around a little, I had to up my nb volts from 1.9 to 1.95 to get this to work right:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080320/Capture023.jpg

Zero errors in memtest. Still think I may just pick them up anyways. Thanks Wile E!

[Wile E]

Mmk, well after playing around a little, I had to up my nb volts from 1.9 to 1.95 to get this to work right:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080320/Capture023.jpg
Zero errors in memtest. Still think I may just pick them up anyways. Thanks Wile E!

If you get the Transcends, I'm willing to bet you can get them to do 4-4-4-12 @ 1000MHz, or at least really close to 1000MHz.

[sneekypeet]

If you want my honest opinion from being a previous owner?

Go to the abit forums or contact Ketxxx and see what was/is successful.

Those 975X mobos from ABIT are timed ultra tight compared to the same chipset on another brand mobo.

Just my 2 peenies.:D

[JrRacinFan]

@sneek
Yeah, thats the only downfall to this board, control over only the 4 major ram timings.

So far I have noticed this board/cpu loves loose timings and high frequencies.

@Wile E
I can hit 1030mhz but it's such a low fsb that it does not do any justice with the processor.