Guns drugs sex alcohol and weaponary and other illegal substances

[KieranD]

Id like a ban on asking recommendations on guns, drugs, sex, alcohol, weaponry and other illegal substances, it dosnt matter if no ones asked for drug recommendations yet but in some countries its not illegal to buy and use drugs, recommendations for sex is private and or immoral, Weaponry in particular guns shouldnt be talked about on a TECH FORUM in particular it promotes use of guns and suggests a casual attitude towards a dangerous piece of weaponry, promotion of casual use of dangerous substances and illegal activiteis i will not support. Some countries have some legal things other dont but id like it to be kept even and fair by just banning the lot.

AT THE LEAST, i would accept it being kept in a private club in the club section of the forum, clearly labled and warning in the first posts if you object.

Story telling and loose chatter on the General Nonsense section i will tolerate and so will talking of other subjects that dont promote illegal activity or casual use or strictly morally debatable topics like gay marriage and mixing human and animal dna.

Everything should be kept TECH or thereabouts, additional sections for other interests such as sports music games ect should be made if they want to discuss this.

If members wont take guns weapons ect and illegal activities such as downloading illegal copies of games seriously then they should be made too.

[Duxx]

Well maybe i dont troll the general nonsense section enough but i havent once read about sex or drugs. One post was made about weapons, and since those arent illegal i dont see a problem with them. Its in the appropriate section and clearly labled "What gun should I buy." If you want nothing to do with it, just dont click on the thread. However people have more interests in just computers and if one of them is recreational shooting, which is considered a sport, i see nothing wrong with it.

[philbrown23]

dude the GENERAL NONSENSE is a HUGE variety of things, you want to ban the talk about guns but are ok with the "techpowerup gun club"??!!? Seriously it's labeled clearly if it offends you DON'T CLICK ON IT!

[a111087]

banning this stuff might actually bring only problems and complains as well as starting this thread

[das müffin mann]

if you don't like it don't click on it, live and let live, if its not illegal then who cares as long as its in the gen non section, but hey if people wanna debate with their buds on the forum let em do it.
thats my 2cents anyway

[Ehstii]

I'm sure that if something was posted on this website that was not suitable to be posted on any forum, it would be handled with by the administrators and mods in an appropriate manner.

as everyone else is saying...

its clearly labeled. so if you don't approve of what its going to talk about, simply move on and don't read on further.


this thread will problem cause more controversy than anything...

[Mussels]

so long as thread titles are clear, i dont mind gun threads either - its not like they're talking about hunting or showing pics of dead animals here. Its about guns, and the tech involved with them.

as for drugs and sex, havent seen a damned thing.

as for other things, if people want to talk about cloning gay babies that can only eat GM food and vote for pedro... they can. this is a private forum and the only rules are w1zzards rules. General nonsense is what its called, and if theres a problem report it to a mod - mods will delete offensive material, and if it doesnt get dealt with then odds are you're in a drastic minority of people who care.

[GREASEMONKEY]

How you ever put firearms & weaponray in the same class as sex,drugs,& alcohol is bewildering at best:wtf::slap:
Not too mention the fact that you failed too say anything about the root of all evil,Rock & Roll music.
IMO,every household should have an MP5 and members of the house taught in the correct use of it.:rockout:

[Mussels]

How you ever put firearms & weaponray in the same class as sex,drugs,& alcohol is bewildering at best:wtf::slap:
Not too mention the fact that you failed too say anything about the root of all evil,Rock & Roll music.
IMO,every household should have an MP5 and members of the house taught in the correct use of it.:rockout:

no one should have guns, everyone should have rock and roll, and if no one had sex then the OP would have a few issues with posting here on TPU.

[JC316]

Right on GreaseMonkey, everyone should be armed. More guns = less violence because if everyone is armed, the criminals KNOW that everyone else is armed.

Anyway back on topic. While I agree that some things should be kept off from the tech forum, I haven't seen anything that you have mentioned. There was a thread asking about sex and it was closed and there have only been a few that even MENTION drugs or alcohol.

[tkpenalty]

Right on GreaseMonkey, everyone should be armed. More guns = less violence because if everyone is armed, the criminals KNOW that everyone else is armed.

Anyway back on topic. While I agree that some things should be kept off from the tech forum, I haven't seen anything that you have mentioned. There was a thread asking about sex and it was closed and there have only been a few that even MENTION drugs or alcohol.

The ones who are psychotic have the ability to cause more damage. its not like if you have a gun you can really defend yourself when you are shot from behind.

[Mussels]

The ones who are psychotic have the ability to cause more damage. its not like if you have a gun you can really defend yourself when you are shot from behind.

or from in front. Guns seem to lack the ability to prevent OTHER guns from firing - in fact, if you two people who point guns at each other, they are MORE likely to shoot than less!

[ShadowXP]

Easy access lowers the threshold for use, in my opinion. Goes for everything, from alcohol/drugs to guns and WMD's.

Back on topic: I personally don't see why discussing weapons/weaponsystems should be banned from Techpowerup. Yes, guns kill, but so does falling off a cliff. One can be interested in the technology behind the weapons without being a war-lover. Things that are clearly illegal (cracks, hacking-techniques, CD-keys, pirated software etc) should be kept off, and the same goes for drugs/illegal substances. Sex? Meh, big deal. If you're stupid enough to ask for sex here, you deserve what's coming, I'd say. It's not something I'd discuss here, but that's just me.

Questions about moral and discussions thereof should be allowed as long as the threads don't degenerate into flamefests, which they sadly all too often do. Morality is something that differs from person to person, but as long as people can discuss them without going apetroll on eachother. Turning the boards into a 100% tech-community tends to turn forums into the electronic equivalent of listening to a bunch of politicians yabber for 6 hours on end (aka boring). Besides, it's good to learn a bit more about the people behind the nicknames, and that cannot be done without

Apart from that, I'd say the same that's already has been said in this thread: If you don't like it, don't click it. Besides, what goes is up to the mods/admins, free speech does not exist in a private forum like this, and if you don't like the topics being discussed, there's a simple solution. Leave.

[Frick]

Yes, guns kill, but so does falling off a cliff.

And you die from old age and cancer, but in those cases no one is shooting you. Seriously, that is a very silly statement. Death is an issue, but killing is far more serious.

I can accept that you discuss hunting rifles/shotguns as they are made to hunt animals (then there's this question if that's ok, but that's a moral issue), but when it comes to sub-machines and fully automated things? That's just, pardon the expression, retarded. Such devices, although interesting (because they ARE interesting in many ways), is meant to kill humans. And that makes them disgusting. :shadedshu

[DanTheBanjoman]

I get your point, there are countless threads about these things that really make me wonder why they are started on this site. All the "I'm pathetic help me get a girlfriend" threads for example, asking on a techsite really makes no sense. Same goes for many of the gun/drugs threads. Most of the time I just question the social connections the topic starter has. When I want to know something about guns I don't ask IT geeks, I ask people that I know have knowledge about what I need to know.

Even though I wouldn't ban the topics I agree they don't belong here. If you have questions about these things it makes more sense to go to a site/person/store that is aimed at these things. Then again, like I said, I won't be officially banning it and I doubt the admins will.

[Azazel]

dont go to genral nosence....or just dont read the topic....freedom of speach :)

[AphexDreamer]

Hey as long as its not a terrorist threat or a death note thread, I say let it pass through General Nonsense.

[KieranD]

Guns are designed to KILL PEOPLE, do not own a gun unless you intend in killing people.

IN THE UK ITS ILLEGAL AS IS MOST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

IF guns are meant for killing how the hell is that FUN go on tell me because that what it boils down to.
I know i could never kill another life, even if they did terrible shit to me or another person.

Lets take an example someone tries to steal you car with a pick lock no guns knifes weapons, you pull out a gun do they deserve to die for stealing your car HELL NO, dont even hit back with IT deters them or scares them because there is no point owning a gun if you dont intend to kill someone thats what they are meant to do kill.

Its okay to kill a person one way? but not another? its all murder and killing.

Recreational use promotes use of guns and increases the likely hood of people getting killed.

You want recreational use of guns, use a laser gun or a bb gun at a target range.
FAKE BULLETS!!! LASER QUEST FTW!!!

IF YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT ID RATHER IT WAS KEPT IN A PRIVATE MANOR


FREEDOM OF SPEECH FUCK THIS IS THE INTERNET AND ITS GOT NO LAWS!!!
Okay if i posted child porn would you say freedom of speech then, its extreme but the same deal here with guns drugs ect.

Maybe sex and drugs havnt been talked about but its the same dealio but guns are much worse.

2 people with guns wont stop each other firing will it?

[Azazel]

CHILD PORN.......thats just going in a completely different direction....talking about guns is not illegal...looking at guns is not illegal....recommending people what gun to buy is not illegal.......

[Thermopylae_480]

Guns are designed to KILL PEOPLE, do not own a gun unless you intend in killing people.

IN THE UK ITS ILLEGAL AS IS MOST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

IF guns are meant for killing how the hell is that FUN go on tell me because that what it boils down to.
I know i could never kill another life, even if they did terrible shit to me or another person.

Lets take an example someone tries to steal you car with a pick lock no guns knifes weapons, you pull out a gun do they deserve to die for stealing your car HELL NO, dont even hit back with IT deters them or scares them because there is no point owning a gun if you dont intend to kill someone thats what they are meant to do kill.

Its okay to kill a person one way? but not another? its all murder and killing.

Recreational use promotes use of guns and increases the likely hood of people getting killed.

You want recreational use of guns, use a laser gun or a bb gun at a target range.
FAKE BULLETS!!! LASER QUEST FTW!!!

IF YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT ID RATHER IT WAS KEPT IN A PRIVATE MANOR


FREEDOM OF SPEECH FUCK THIS IS THE INTERNET AND ITS GOT NO LAWS!!!
Okay if i posted child porn would you say freedom of speech then, its extreme but the same deal here with guns drugs ect.

Maybe sex and drugs havnt been talked about but its the same dealio but guns are much worse.

2 people with guns wont stop each other firing will it?

I think kiddy porn scars kids more than their father owning a gun. I know a lot of people who own guns, none of them have ever killed anyone with them, nor have they had the intent. I understand you're upset, because you aren't used to them and they are denied in your culture. Nobody is being harmed by these gun threads, and nobody is doing anything illegal. If they said, "What gun should I buy to most efficiently mow down my co-workers/school-mates" I could see your point.

What are you so absolutely terrified of that you feel that individual freedom of speech should be eliminated?

[3991vhtes]

How you ever put firearms & weaponray in the same class as sex,drugs,& alcohol is bewildering at best:wtf::slap:
Not too mention the fact that you failed too say anything about the root of all evil,Rock & Roll music.
IMO,every household should have an MP5 and members of the house taught in the correct use of it.:rockout:

:toast: well said my friend

[Ehstii]

:toast: well said my friend

3991vhtes is back!

sorry, totally off topic...lol

[Thermopylae_480]

If we all spent four hours a day preying to Jesus, and reading our bibles the world would be a much better place. We should force everyone to wear puritan clothing, and follow the path of God as it is put forth verbatim in the Bible. We should eliminate individual choice and freedom, because it only breeds sin. Then we could all live in a world devoid of fear, where there were no choices to be made, they could all be made for us. Anyone who choose to speak against that of the majority or the Bible could be severely punished.

[3991vhtes]

3991vhtes is back!

sorry, totally off topic...lol


Glad to be back as well *waits for the welcome back PM's*

off topic as well :o

[Polaris573]

It is not okay to shoot targets with a real gun but you can shoot targets with pellet gun or shoot actual people with a laser gun? It is also okay to play violent, war based video games where you pretend to kill people, but shooting targets with a real gun is evil? You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either guns are bad, including laser guns and pellet guns, or they are not. I am sorry but claiming guns make people violent is the same as claiming violent video games make people violent. Guns are not a drug that make rational people violent. The only solid argument one can offer is that guns make it easier for violent people to kill, but those violent people will still find a way. Crimes of passion are often committed with bare fists, knives, or bludgeoning.

However, I do understand your point and your antipathy towards guns. Techpowerup is a tech forum and I do not understand why people ask about relationships, drugs, and guns. There are plenty of other forums for those types of things. Yet, if we are going to let people be social in general nonsense and discuss, life, politics, current events, and other social topics I cannot in good conscious ban these type of threads. So unless someone higher up (W1zzard or Urlyin) or the mods as a whole come to the conclusion that we are not going to allow these threads I am going to keep allowing them.

[rangerone766]

The ones who are psychotic have the ability to cause more damage. its not like if you have a gun you can really defend yourself when you are shot from behind.


no but, if other people are armed they may be able to limit the crazy from inflicting as much damage by neutralizing the crazy.

i live in a city and if so inclined i could easily find crack to buy within walking distance. the trouble with society is not guns, its drugs and the things a drug addict will do to stave off withdrawl. once they are "high" the are fairly harmless. its when the run out of drugs and money to buy more that they become dangerous.

[technicks]

If we all spent four hours a day preying to Jesus, and reading our bibles the world would be a much better place. We should force everyone to wear puritan clothing, and follow the path of God as it is put forth verbatim in the Bible. We should eliminate individual choice and freedom, because it only breeds sin. Then we could all live in a world devoid of fear, where there were no choices to be made, they could all be made for us. Anyone who choose to speak against that of the majority or the Bible could be severely punished.

Come on. Go preach somewhere else.:D

[3991vhtes]

Guns aren't only for killing people. There's hunting, shotgun fishing, target practice, and sports. My family owns 4 guns, and no one ever thinks about killing people, or anything bad like that. We just go outside, and shoot at targets, and hunt during hunting season. IMO, guns are a good thing to own.

[KieranD]

yer all sick for wanting to own guns and discuss them on TPU a TECH SITE

ban me if you want for saying that but thats what i believe

why own a gun if you dont plan on killing people THATS WHAT THERE DESIGNED FOR, you obviously want to kill someone if you own a gun FACT

if someone enters your house you might own a gun to kill them

A guy who is in jail now for shooting someone in the leg with a shotgun kept a gun for the sole reason of protecting himself. He got into a fight because someone high on ecstasy who tried to steal his car, so he ran into his house and later on that day he shot the man who previously tried to steal his car in the leg. Lets not forget this guy was a nutter who had hid a pistol in a bush in his back garden IN SCOTLAND where it is illegal to own a gun or use or be in possession of a firearm. Btw the way the guy was already a nutter before coz he got into fights and did drugs but still shooting a guy in the leg with a shotgun is stupid just coz he tried to steal your car.

Why do people own guns unless they plan on shooting someone?

[3991vhtes]

as i just stated:
Guns aren't only for killing people. There's hunting, shotgun fishing, target practice, and sports. My family owns 4 guns, and no one ever thinks about killing people, or anything bad like that. We just go outside, and shoot at targets, and hunt during hunting season. IMO, guns are a good thing to own.

[lemonadesoda]

KieranD has a very valid point.

TPU needs to identify its "topical compentence". I, like many, came here for the tech stuff. (PC and technology related).

"Freedom of speech" is not the issue... rather... that specialisation (and focus) is what adds value to TPU. All this content dilution is not adding to the *brand reputation* of techpowerup. The forums have turned into a chat forum, like many other social networks. There is nothing wrong with that, per se, except that it isnt what a tech forum is supposed to be about.

If TPU wants to be another chat forum... that's OK... but I think it would help if the expectations were there for everyone to understand.

Now, back to KieranD's point. All this "chat" about sex, guns and drugs HAS put TPU on the watch-list of many schools as inappropriate content. What's next? A ban on TPU in some schools/departments/organisations.

And that would be a serious own-goal.

Someone needs to take a stand and decide what TPU is supposed to be... and get back on track.

[Ehstii]

yer all sick for wanting to own guns and discuss them on TPU a TECH SITE

ban me if you want for saying that but thats what i believe

why own a gun if you dont plan on killing people THATS WHAT THERE DESIGNED FOR, you obviously want to kill someone if you own a gun FACT

if someone enters your house you might own a gun to kill them

A guy who is in jail now for shooting someone in the leg with a shotgun kept a gun for the sole reason of protecting himself. He got into a fight because someone high on ecstasy who tried to steal his car, so he ran into his house and later on that day he shot the man who previously tried to steal his car in the leg. Lets not forget this guy was a nutter who had hid a pistol in a bush in his back garden IN SCOTLAND where it is illegal to own a gun or use or be in possession of a firearm. Btw the way the guy was already a nutter before coz he got into fights and did drugs but still shooting a guy in the leg with a shotgun is stupid just coz he tried to steal your car.

Why do people own guns unless they plan on shooting someone?

your so close minded. how many posts do you need to read in order to understand that guns are used for more reasons than you are giving. like seriously, why are you sparking up conflict between you and everyone else?

[3991vhtes]

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 15 (11 members and 4 guests)

pretty hot topic IMO

[technicks]

It is not okay to shoot targets with a real gun but you can shoot targets with pellet gun or shoot actual people with a laser gun? It is also okay to play violent, war based video games where you pretend to kill people, but shooting targets with a real gun is evil? You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either guns are bad, including laser guns and pellet guns, or they are not. I am sorry but claiming guns make people violent is the same as claiming violent video games make people violent. Guns are not a drug that make rational people violent. The only solid argument one can offer is that guns make it easier for violent people to kill, but those violent people will still find a way. Crimes of passion are often committed with bare fists, knives, or bludgeoning.

However, I do understand your point and your antipathy towards guns. Techpowerup is a tech forum and I do not understand why people ask about relationships, drugs, and guns. There are plenty of other forums for those types of things. Yet, if we are going to let people be social in general nonsense and discuss, life, politics, current events, and other social topics I cannot in good conscious ban these type of threads. So unless someone higher up (W1zzard or Urlyin) or the mods as a whole come to the conclusion that we are not going to allow these threads I am going to keep allowing them.

I do understand why people ask such things here. I won't go in to the personal situations of people but those who ask feel save here.
For example lets say i have a qestion about a girls and don't have much friends to talk to.
Where do i go? To some weird site that i never visited and ask it there. Or come to my friends here at TPU? Same for other things. Choice is easy made i think.
And for most members who visit often it is more important to get in touch with people they know then the tech i think.
Personaly i keep it mostly tech related. But it's nice to have a good laugh every once in a while.:)

[KieranD]

Its not real and if people understand that computer games arnt real then thats a big difference.

Its not reality, i enjoy playing computer games because i like tactics and storyline or good gameplay, if it was a crash bandicoot game and it had good gameplay id play it or if it was far cry with guns id play it.

There is a difference between REALITY and PLAYING, sometimes computer games remind me of reality and that i should do what is being played in games. Some games have a serious message with them.



Hunting for fun is just immoral you just taking a life for fun, so based on that what the difference from hunting human aswell?

Farming and using guns to shoot tranquilliser is a a little more realistic nad has a real purpose.

Just shooting for fun plays down the serious use of guns and makes a weapons become a toy when it is still deadly dangerous. Same for people who street race because a car can be a deadly weapon that can kill also. we need to be responsible and look out for our fellow human being.

Some people are stubborn or do not understand it isnt wrong tho to not understand they just need to be made to understand, that is why there are laws because people do not understand.

[KieranD]

just PM YOUR FRIENDS OR GET THEIR MSN address

EDIT: If you give people the choice some people will allways choose the bad one or the stupid one, eliminate the choice and problem solved.

Freedom of choice is like this do youi want prawn cocktail crisps or cheese and onion crisps?
Do want green paint or red paint?

Ever heard of personal preference because that is what allows us to like different things, for example this allows us to have different tastes in music. There is a difference between choice and something being bad.

Swearing casually takes away from the effect that it has, that is why we must only swear in extreme circumstances.

[3991vhtes]

My family and I are cautious whenever we're shooting for fun. If we see people go into the woods behind our house, we won't shoot Also, hunting isn't just for fun. We hunt for deer, because the meat is really good. We also hunt squirrells for their meat, and keep their tails as trophies. Killing a deer or squirrell for their meat is the same as killing a cow for their meat.

[Ehstii]

hey, if we cant talk about guns, sex, girls, drugs, and whatever else KieranD can think of for us not to talk about, i guess were going to have to close the crazy picture thread too...:ohwell:

[DaedalusHelios]

If you are afraid of guns you are a coward. I was robbed at gun point twice but I wasn't scared. :laugh:

If we outlawed guns the criminals will still have them. If you allow guns your just allowing people to defend themselves from the criminals that will always have them. :cool:

I have a case still pending from the last time I was robbed but saying guns are bad is so stupid. lol

[3991vhtes]

hey, if we cant talk about guns, sex, girls, drugs, and whatever else KieranD can think of for us not to talk about, i guess were going to have to close the crazy picture thread too...:ohwell:

OH NOES!!! NOT THE CRAZY PICTURE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!

[technicks]

Dude you are so full of it.
If this is your point of view ok. But that does not mean it is correct or even manageable what you are saying. This is a endless discussion.
If you feel about this so bad then pm W1zzard about it. Don't harras us with your ideals.;)

[3991vhtes]

I would give my 0.02 on this whole situation, but i wont because i don't want to be banned again lol

[Hawk1]

hey, if we cant talk about guns, sex, girls, drugs, and whatever else KieranD can think of for us not to talk about, i guess were going to have to close the crazy picture thread too...:ohwell:

Dont give people ideas on new things to compain about:rolleyes: BTW, I dont see a problem with gun threads. As said before, choose to click on it or dont. Same goes for Sex and Drugs, but, as with guns, would depend on the content of the thread.

[OnionMan]

Guns drugs sex alcohol and weaponary and other illegal substances


Ooooops my bad... I thought this was the For Sale thread...:D



Sex, Alcohol, and Weapons are no more illegal that cpu's and memory.. I just avoid topics I don't care for.. It's way eaiser to ignore something I don't like rather than to try and change someones views to match mine..:rockout:

[Ehstii]

I would give my 0.02 on this whole situation, but i wont because i don't want to be banned again lol

yeah, i would too...

but you just got back, you definitley dont need to get banned again.

[WhiteLotus]

no one should have guns, everyone should have rock and roll, and if no one had sex then the OP would have a few issues with posting here on TPU.


thank you that it is the best response possible to the remark in question.


Talking about guns fine, but saying that every household should have an MP5 is not only stupid but irresponsible. don't even try the protect your family argument - a weapon used to protect the family can easily be used to harm another.

talking about guns for recreational purposes - clay pigeon shooting etc - fine
talking about guns for "protection" - not fine.

[Ehstii]

Guns drugs sex alcohol and weaponary and other illegal substances


Ooooops my bad... I thought this was the For Sale thread...:D



Sex, Alcohol, and Weapons are no more illegal that cpu's and memory.. I just avoid topics I don't care for.. It's way eaiser to ignore something I don't like rather than to try and change someones views to match mine..:rockout:

+68498465

[KieranD]

its in the comments and feedback thread VERY VAILD FOR ME TO ASK THIS

Hunting squirrels for there meat is stupid so is hunting deer for meat, leave it to farmers.
Hunting for trophies is disgusting, you wouldnt hunt a human for its shiny white teeth or because you wanted to make a wig out of a person hair.

"Dude you are so full of it." HOW?

[DaedalusHelios]

Killing an animal for food is fine. Are you a vegetarian or a vegan or something. LOL

This is hilarious. Your media has made you into a spineless person.

I am almost full blooded Scotch-Irish. Your country is my blood heritage but you must understand that guns are just like knives. They are tools. What you choose to do with them is your own freedom.


You are saying people are to stupid to let them make choices on their own. That sounds like communism.:mad:

[Ehstii]

its in the comments and feedback thread VERY VAILD FOR ME TO ASK THIS

Hunting squirrels for there meat is stupid so is hunting deer for meat, leave it to farmers.
Hunting for trophies is disgusting, you wouldnt hunt a human for its shiny white teeth or because you wanted to make a wig out of a person hair.

"Dude you are so full of it." HOW?

so farmers can own guns, and noone else?

[DaedalusHelios]

Humans aren't the same as animals. I love cats but even if I had my own cat and loved it dearly, an average human's life is much more important to me.

[WhiteLotus]

Humans aren't the same as animals.

correction - humans are animals, clever animals but animals nevertheless. I defy you to prove me wrong.

[KieranD]

those guns used for clay pidgeon shooting or those stupid plates that people shoot are not real guns they are air rifles just as dangerous because they can kill but are more responsible than a pistol or a semi automatic rifle

violence in computer games is more tech related than buying a gun FACT

and again GUNS BRING NO BENEFITS shooting for fun is cruel and disgusting, this is sorta like the fox hunting ban debate

end of discussion

[Gam'ster]

yer all sick for wanting to own guns and discuss them on TPU a TECH SITE

why own a gun if you dont plan on killing people THATS WHAT THERE DESIGNED FOR, you obviously want to kill someone if you own a gun FACT



Why do people own guns unless they plan on shooting someone?


All i wanted to do was read up on the new phenom x4's :shadedshu, People own guns for sport like i hate football and id rather go shooting targets than watch some guy run after a ball.... ok i only own a pellet gun but its still personal choice at the end of the day if i own one or not.
If you dont like guns thats fine but preaching and telling people they are sick and retarded for talking about one is a bit stupid dont you think?. And what do you think humans done before food come wrapped in plastic it didnt kill it self did it ?

Gam

[3991vhtes]

@Eshtii - i guess thats the message

[flashstar]

If you live on a farm or a place not exactly next to a police station and a couple of guys come up with shotguns with the intention to murder you, is the solution to just say "ok do it"? The answer is no! If you come out the front door with a shotgun first before they can get close, you aren't going to get attacked. Furthermore, I plan to learn how to use a fire arm for my own personal defense because one day I might need it. Guns are the number one deterrants to criminal attacks.

Like they say in Spiderman, "with great power comes great responsibility". If you have a gun, you have an obligation to use it properly and with caution. However, saying that no one is allowed to use guns is ridiculous. The bad guys can always go to Russia and get old AK-47's. If people aren't allowed to get a gun to protect themselves from these people, many more innocent people will lose their lives.

Remember too-- it was guns, not words that defeated Hitler and Saddam Hussein.

[Mussels]

why own a gun if you dont plan on killing people THATS WHAT THERE DESIGNED FOR, you obviously want to kill someone if you own a gun FACT


Ummm... no.

MILITARY guns are designed to kill people. Civilian ones are not. DO you understand what 'hunting' is? Do you get the idea that people used to HUNT for FOOD? Some people STILL DO THAT.

My family lives on a farm - they have pest animal problems with rabbits and foxes. Do you claim that my family are going to go murdering people, because THEY OWN A GUN! despite having a reason for it?
Because my family have guns, they also do target shooting with them. Yes, sheets of paper have souls so that makes them KILLERS.

Seriously man, you're F'ed up.

[DaedalusHelios]

correction - humans are animals, clever animals but animals nevertheless. I defy you to prove me wrong.


Animals are not capable of complex thinking. Thats what defines us. Yes retarded people are animals if they cannot grasp complex thinking. :laugh:

[Ehstii]

@Eshtii - i guess thats the message

thats what it comes down to...


i guess theres going to be alot of farmers REAL soon, especially after that comment.

[Silverel]

I own guns. Rifle for hunting, shotgun for home defense (not that I've ever used it as such). I've killed animals, and had delicious meals because of it for weeks to come. A gun, at least in the US, is a right. It's in our constitution, and its encouraged to own one (or two or five). Privately owned and registered guns are not a threat to humanity. People stupid/crazy enough to kill people are. You're targeting a tool for being a tool. It's all about how you use it.

Computers can be used to hack military computers, perhaps only the government should own them, eh?

[DaedalusHelios]

those guns used for clay pidgeon shooting or those stupid plates that people shoot are not real guns they are air rifles just as dangerous because they can kill but are more responsible than a pistol or a semi automatic rifle

violence in computer games is more tech related than buying a gun FACT

and again GUNS BRING NO BENEFITS shooting for fun is cruel and disgusting, this is sorta like the fox hunting ban debate

end of discussion


People don't use air rifles on clay pigeons in america. We use shotguns with "birdshot". :roll:

[KieranD]

just PM YOUR FRIENDS OR GET THEIR MSN address

EDIT: If you give people the choice some people will allways choose the bad one or the stupid one, eliminate the choice and problem solved.

Freedom of choice is like this do youi want prawn cocktail crisps or cheese and onion crisps?
Do want green paint or red paint?

Ever heard of personal preference because that is what allows us to like different things, for example this allows us to have different tastes in music. There is a difference between choice and something being bad.

Swearing casually takes away from the effect that it has, that is why we must only swear in extreme circumstances.

[Ehstii]

I own guns. Rifle for hunting, shotgun for home defense (not that I've ever used it as such). I've killed animals, and had delicious meals because of it for weeks to come. A gun, at least in the US, is a right. It's in our constitution, and its encouraged to own one (or two or five). Privately owned and registered guns are not a threat to humanity. People stupid/crazy enough to kill people are. You're targeting a tool for being a tool. It's all about how you use it.

Computers can be used to hack military computers, perhaps only the government should own them, eh?

you could very well create a virus that over heats your computer so much that it catches on fire.

or you could hack a military system and send nukes all over the world if you want...

silverel, you state a very good point that could get KieranD to close his mouth.

[Mussels]

KieranD: no matter what arguments you make, you're just coming off as irrational. If people argue with you that makes them a killer who wants to kill humans. Everything you say (regardless of any information to back it up) is 'fact'

You're trolling. I ask that this thread be locked.

[DaedalusHelios]

KieranD is running out of material.:laugh:

[Ehstii]

just PM YOUR FRIENDS OR GET THEIR MSN address

EDIT: If you give people the choice some people will allways choose the bad one or the stupid one, eliminate the choice and problem solved.

Freedom of choice is like this do youi want prawn cocktail crisps or cheese and onion crisps?
Do want green paint or red paint?

Ever heard of personal preference because that is what allows us to like different things, for example this allows us to have different tastes in music. There is a difference between choice and something being bad.

Swearing casually takes away from the effect that it has, that is why we must only swear in extreme circumstances.

so you suggest comunism for everyone in the world?


im sure that will end really well, and REALLY soon.

[Ehstii]

You're trolling. I ask that this thread be locked.

+1

[3991vhtes]

so you suggest comunism for everyone in the world?


im sure that will end really well, and REALLY soon.

I hope that was sarcasm:wtf:

lol :)

[technicks]

Please lock this thread. He's making me want to shoot something.:shadedshu

[Ehstii]

I hope that was sarcasm:wtf:

lol :)

lol, yes.

if this world was all comunists, im sure everyone would take those guns that they shouldnt have, and shoot themselves with it, not others :p


hahaha:roll:

[KieranD]

FUCK OFF THE LOT OF YOU YOUR ALL STUPID GUN TOTTING BASTARDS!!!

NOTHING GOOD COMES OF IT AND EVERY TIME YOU HIT BACK WITH SPORT OR FUN ILL STILL SAY ITS A GOD DAMN SICK THING TO USE A KILLING TOOL FOR FUN.

Mussels said i was f'd up thats insulting another member of TPU ban HIM AND BAN ME WHILE YOUR AT IT I DONT WANT TO BE PART OF A FORUM THAT DISCUSSES OPENLY THE USE OF GUNS OR DISCUSSES MORALLY QUESTIONABLE TOPICS.

I say FACT because its well known.

Its me again the WHOLE OF THE USA i suppose how am i meant to make people understand me if there are 303,721,334 gun lovers i need to make understand my POINT OF VIEW.

From my view nothing you can say will make guns morally acceptable.

DUDE PEOPLE USED TO USE KNIFES FOR HUNTING.

DOES THE AVERAGE PC USER KNOW HOW TO HACK NO FUCK NO

thats my last very last comment on this subject

[Ehstii]

i think someone may get banned... =\

[3991vhtes]

where's the roflcopter when you need it?

[Mussels]

i'm going to use kierans logic to defeat him.
Take this post as sarcasm and illogical stupidity, thats how i'm intending it.

KieranD: Since you dont like guns, that means you want people to be weaponless. That makes you a terrorist since terrorists want weak victims. FACT.
You tell us you dont own guns, but terrorists are liars. FACT.
I dont tolerate people with different opinions than mine, so i've decided that you are wrong and anything you say is because you are lying and just want me to get rid of my guns so you can kill me. because LIARS kill people. FACT.


[/stupid post]

[das müffin mann]

i own a few bows and one gun, i like to trap shoot and hunt- a few people here probably know my stance on guns, but in the end i have no problem owning a gun for hunting/rec pursuits, lets face it, shooting clay targets is fun, it hurts know one and it allowed me to spend time with my uncles who i cant really see any more, im guessing you would change your mind on the subject if you actually ever get the chance to eat venison Chile or shot some targets, btw in the end someone has to kill that burger your eating in order for it to get to you? how is a slaughter house different from hunting? is it more humane?

:wtf:

[Polaris573]

Enough. The purpose of this thread was to discuss what subject should/should not be allowed. It has diverged off topic, become inflammatory, and is no longer an acceptable subject for this sub-forum.