RBE bug reports

[t3hn0]

hi...first of all i'd like to thank you for this software, because it's just great! :D
after spending hours on the web searching for a method how-to overclock my radeon 3650 (ati's overdrive would let me overclock gpu and mem for 25mhz :mad:), i found this...and i've started to change clock settings...

i've came to 900/1000 (gpu/mem) - default is 725/800.

but now if i wanna try to overclock some more, rbe crashes when i click "save bios" button :shadedshu it happens if i try to raise clocks for 10mhz for gpu or ram :wtf:

and i've attached image for "proof" :p

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3852/rberuntimeerrormi6.th.png (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rberuntimeerrormi6.png)

[BAGZZlash]

hi...first of all i'd like to thank you for this software, because it's just great! :D
after spending hours on the web searching for a method how-to overclock my radeon 3650 (ati's overdrive would let me overclock gpu and mem for 25mhz :mad:), i found this...and i've started to change clock settings...

i've came to 900/1000 (gpu/mem) - default is 725/800.

but now if i wanna try to overclock some more, rbe crashes when i click "save bios" button :shadedshu it happens if i try to raise clocks for 10mhz for gpu or ram :wtf:

and i've attached image for "proof" :p

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3852/rberuntimeerrormi6.th.png (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rberuntimeerrormi6.png)


Interesting. So you would like to set 910 MHz for GPU or 1010 MHz for RAM? Did you try to set these values to an unmodified BIOS, that means one, that hasn't already been modified using RBE? Could you send me the BIOS causing trouble?

[t3hn0]

k, i've send you mail ;)

and btw...modding new bios helped!

[BAGZZlash]

k, i've send you mail ;)

and btw...modding new bios helped!


Thanks, but I didn't receive anything. I suppose, RBE simply had no more bytes left for checksum adjustment. However, it shouldn't crash this way. Can't you just attach you BIOS here to a forum posting?

[VuurVOS]

When I tried to open the new BBA HD3870 bios I get an error message.
Invalid file specified. Not an ATI BIOS? - Debug information: 'CheckValid' reported error

[t3hn0]

ok...you've got bios attached

[BAGZZlash]

ok...you've got bios attached


Hi!

Okay, thank you very much for this. Here's an explanation: Even though RBE can open pre-modified BIOSes, this is only recommended for looking up the changes made. RBE uses some bytes inside the BIOS file for adjusting the checksum. The number of those bytes is limited. So, it is recommended to use a "fresh" BIOS for any changes.
The crash however occurred because of a bug in a code line for displaying just an error message for used up bytes. Will be fixed in the next version. Thanks again for telling me this. :)

Kind regards
BAGZZlash

[BAGZZlash]

When I tried to open the new BBA HD3870 bios I get an error message.
Invalid file specified. Not an ATI BIOS? - Debug information: 'CheckValid' reported error


Thanks, I already fixed this issue. Fix will be in the next version to come, which is soon. :cool:

[t3hn0]

np :)

tnx for the tip to use fresh bios too! i'm waiting the next version :P
oh..suggestion..why doesn't copy/paste work (with key combinations)? security or bug?

[BAGZZlash]

np :)

tnx for the tip to use fresh bios too! i'm waiting the next version :P
oh..suggestion..why doesn't copy/paste work (with key combinations)? security or bug?


Some of both, I guess. I made some restrictions to avoid user input errors, but copy/paste should't be afflicted by that. You can use CTRL+C, CTRL+V and CTRL+X in the next version, thanks again for a useful hint. :)

[BAGZZlash]

Please post all found bugs in here. Before doing that, please read over the thread. Maybe your bug has already been reported or is not a bug at all. Thanks in advance for your help! :)

[t3hn0]

no problem...

and another "thingy" ;)

when you load up the bios into the program, and you're on the information tab where you can see which ram type do you have and video card interface, but it doesn't show how much ram do i have and which ram interface do i have...well it's not that i don't know, but it doesn't work for me ;)

[BAGZZlash]

no problem...

and another "thingy" ;)

when you load up the bios into the program, and you're on the information tab where you can see which ram type do you have and video card interface, but it doesn't show how much ram do i have and which ram interface do i have...well it's not that i don't know, but it doesn't work for me ;)


RBE just analyses the hardware specs string to gather these information. If the information is not found here, it can not be displayed. Of course, the interface and RAM equipment is also hard-coded inside the BIOS, but getting it is more complex then I thought. I'm keeping on it, but due to this is only an optical issue, it hasn't top priority.

[VuurVOS]

I have fan controll issue with my Build By Ati HD3870 from Sapphire.

The transfer fuction works but not completly. The duty cycle min(%) doesnt change, no matter what I put in. The min fan speed readout with GPU-Z stays zero and I dont hear any difference when I put 50% in it.

The look up table doesn't work. The fan is running his own program

I tried the same settings with the following bios versions without succes.
010.079.000.000.000000
010.071.000.001.026905
010.071.000.000.000000
010.067.000.000.026905

[BAGZZlash]

I have fan controll issue with my Build By Ati HD3870 from Sapphire.

The transfer fuction works but not completly. The duty cycle min(%) doesnt change, no matter what I put in. The min fan speed readout with GPU-Z stays zero and I dont hear any difference when I put 50% in it.

The look up table doesn't work. The fan is running his own program

I tried the same settings with the following bios versions without succes.
010.079.000.000.000000
010.071.000.001.026905
010.071.000.000.000000
010.067.000.000.026905


This is not a bug of RBE. In this case, your card might simply not have fan control at all. RBE writes the settings made correctly into the BIOS, you can convince yourself easily by just re-opening the BIOS using RBE again. Or you can look up the values using RivaTuner.
What the card makes of the values programmed is on its own.

[VuurVOS]

This is not a bug of RBE. In this case, your card might simply not have fan control at all. RBE writes the settings made correctly into the BIOS, you can convince yourself easily by just re-opening the BIOS using RBE again. Or you can look up the values using RivaTuner.
What the card makes of the values programmed is on its own.

My both card have fan control, I am sure of it because the fan's have pwm. And also when I change the Tmin and the Tmax it realy change. Only the "Duty cycle min" of the transfer function part doesnt work.

Which PWM mode does the editor set when I select the look up table ?

[BAGZZlash]

Which PWM mode does the editor set when I select the look up table ?

3. Works for me with my 3870.


My both card have fan control, I am sure of it because the fan's have pwm. And also when I change the Tmin and the Tmax it realy change. Only the "Duty cycle min" of the transfer function part doesnt work.

So the fan speed remains 0 until temperature reaches Tmin. After that (+ Tmin hysteresis), fan jumps to the speed it should have regarding transfer function?
Anyone here who can confirm that? VuurVOS, do me one favour, would you? Check with RivaTuner, if the DCmin-value you enter with RBE is displayed correctly.

[VuurVOS]

I also need 3 with Rivatuner to use the look up table.

To answer you question. DCmin did change. In the bios Editor I entered 66. The read out in Rivatuner is 65.

With the orginal bios, the DCmin is 0. The read out in Rivatuner is also 0.

[BAGZZlash]

I also need 3 with Rivatuner to use the look up table.

To answer you question. DCmin did change. In the bios Editor I entered 66. The read out in Rivatuner is 65.

With the orginal bios, the DCmin is 0. The read out in Rivatuner is also 0.


Weired. Why wouldn't the controller apply to that new DCmin...?!? Did you try a smaller value, 10 for example?

[VuurVOS]

I found out why the lookup table didn't worked.

Tmin value at transfer fuction must set on 0 before you switched to the lookup table. Otherwise the table doesn't work and you can't change it because the valuebox is gray out.

Could you automise this in a new release with the other settings which must change to get it work??

EDIT: I tried DCmin 10. Rivatuner says also 10 but the fan isn't running at 10%.

[BAGZZlash]

Otherwise the table doesn't work and you can't change it because the valuebox is gray out.

You mean in RivaTuner, right?


[...] with the other settings which must change to get it work??

What do you mean? But yes, I will.


EDIT: I tried DCmin 10. Rivatuner says also 10 but the fan isn't running at 10%.

Okay. I just wasn't aware of this behavior of the fan controller. But I'm relieved that this isn't just a stupid bug in RBE.

[VuurVOS]

You mean in RivaTuner, right?

No RBE. The transfer fuction has a Tmin valuebox which get gray (and read only) when you switch to look up table mode. The value must be set to 0, otherwise the lookup table wont work.


What do you mean? But yes, I will.

Could you automise these values when using the lookup table ?
Tmin (@ transfer function control) = 0
Tmin hysteresis = 0
Hysteresis = 0

These values must be changed when using the lookup table. I dont know if these values are needed for non BBA HD3870 cards.

[BAGZZlash]

No RBE. The transfer fuction has a Tmin valuebox which get gray (and read only) when you switch to look up table mode. The value must be set to 0, otherwise the lookup table wont work.

Oh. Now I see what you mean. Of course, disabling the controls for transfer function is intended when switching to look up table. But the next version of RBE will write 0 to the Tmin-value in the BIOS when saving it using look up table, this will be no problem.


Could you automise these values when using the lookup table ?
Tmin (@ transfer function control) = 0
Tmin hysteresis = 0
Hysteresis = 0

Everything is clear for Tmin. But why do the hysteresis values affect the look up table in an unexpected way? Hysteresis should do the job intended for look up table mode also, just as Tmin hysteresis. Don't they?

[VuurVOS]

Oh. Now I see what you mean. Of course, disabling the controls for transfer function is intended when switching to look up table. But the next version of RBE will write 0 to the Tmin-value in the BIOS when saving it using look up table, this will be no problem.


Everything is clear for Tmin. But why do the hysteresis values affect the look up table in an unexpected way? Hysteresis should do the job intended for look up table mode also, just as Tmin hysteresis. Don't they?

I only followed the recommended lookup table parameters for RivaTuner -> http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=2629869&postcount=1

EDIT: I tried one with only channing the Tmin and setting up with lookup table and it didn't work.

[BAGZZlash]

I only followed the recommended lookup table parameters for RivaTuner -> http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=2629869&postcount=1

EDIT: I tried one with only channing the Tmin and setting up with lookup table and it didn't work.

Okay, that's a word, especially because RBE has a link directly to that site... :o

[VuurVOS]

One problem solved, one to go. What can I try to get the duty cycle min working ?

[BAGZZlash]

One problem solved, one to go. What can I try to get the duty cycle min working ?

Sorry, I got no idea. The value is inside the BIOS actually, I checked it twice, just as you. We will have to wait if there are more people with that issue, I guess.

[Richard Shepherdson]

Had no problem modding bios and reflashing.

Checked bios on card flashing had worked.

But, even though the new bios has flashed to the card, the card still behaves like standard,

Old bios 720/900, 720/900, 720/900
Modded bios 300/900, 300/900, 783/1053

card still boots up at 720/900 and does not rise to higher clock on running 3D app.

am i missing something?

Also raising voltage from 1.22 to 1.35 on 3D gives no more overclock.

flashed card again, reinstalled video driver, and Rivatuner still says card is running at 715/900 with no rise to 783/1053 when 3D program run.

rechecked bios on card by downloading it and opening in RBE, and it is as set
300/900, 300/900, 783/1053.

Orig bios and modde both attached

any ideas?

Thanks

[VuurVOS]

Try to change "State 4 mode 1 - 2D" to a little lower/high value.

It will also change the following stats when Locked.
State 4 - mode 2 - "3D/low 3D"
State 4 - mode 3 - "high 3D"

[Richard Shepherdson]

Try to change "State 4 mode 1 - 2D" to a little lower/high value.

It will also change the following stats when Locked.
State 4 - mode 2 - "3D/low 3D"
State 4 - mode 3 - "high 3D"

Been trying to get that to work for days, maybe stupidity on my behalf, but that worked perfect, thanks very much.:respect:

[ultraboy]

I tried what VuurVOS and Richard suggested, but found that I can not enter any value in State 3 & 4 at all (RBE v.1.10) - both States remain blank. The 'Lock' box is unchecked and I can not check it too.

In RBE v.1.08 I can change State 3, but not State 4.

[BAGZZlash]

I tried what VuurVOS and Richard suggested, but found that I can not enter any value in State 3 & 4 at all (RBE v.1.10) - both States remain blank. The 'Lock' box is unchecked and I can not check it too.

In RBE v.1.08 I can change State 3, but not State 4.


In that case, your card does not support those states. RBE automatically checks, which states are supported. What card do you have? A 2900 pro/XT?

[dactyman]

Hi,

When I use RBE 1.10 on my 2900 XT bios, voltage are not set in the saved bios.
I had checked the Hex values in the file.
I will send you a private message with the link to the bios.
Thanks.

[BAGZZlash]

Hi,

When I use RBE 1.10 on my 2900 XT bios, voltage are not set in the saved bios.
I had checked the Hex values in the file.
I will send you a private message with the link to the bios.
Thanks.


Thank you. Are you sure? I tried it using your BIOS, it worked. Which state/mode do you change? Is there any error message?

[dactyman]

I change state 2 to 2.25
Save and then load and the value is ---
checking hex value il the file is 01 FF

http://img.techpowerup.org/080414/ps000234.jpg

[BAGZZlash]

I change state 2 to 2.25
Save and then load and the value is ---
checking hex value il the file is 01 FF

http://img.techpowerup.org/080414/ps000234.jpg


Okay, sorry, I forgot: There's a buit-in limitation to 2 volts. But why do you want such a high voltage, are you crazy? Do you want to broil your card? :cool: (This question is meant seriously)
If it is really necessary, I can increase the limit easily, but by now, I don't see any reason.

[dactyman]

Sorry, i want to say 1.25v

[BAGZZlash]

Sorry, i want to say 1.25v


Okay, in that case I ask you again: Are you sure it doesn't work? It works for me. See: 13560

[dactyman]

Your file is ok
Here is a package with my original bios, RBE 1.10, screen of my modifications in RBE and the resulting bios.
I put all voltages to 1.25 and all are at 01 FF !!!
I did it on my own pc (vista 64) and at work (win2k), RBE downloaded eatch time on techpowerup server.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13561&stc=1&d=1208172963

Could you give me your RBE version you use for testing on my bios?

[ultraboy]

In that case, your card does not support those states. RBE automatically checks, which states are supported. What card do you have? A 2900 pro/XT?

Sapphire 2600XT GDDR4 :(

[dactyman]

new tests:
don't work with 1.10 and 1.09
work with 1.07
can't get 1.08 at work (bbs filtering...)

i had read you change program at the 1.08
do you used new library or dll? probably incompatibility with my french version...

I ll be your beta tester ;)

[BAGZZlash]

Could you give me your RBE version you use for testing on my bios?

There's no magic special version I'm using. In fact, I was at work and tried it using a binary downloaded from TPU myself.


i had read you change program at the 1.08
do you used new library or dll? probably incompatibility with my french version...

I ll be your beta tester ;)

Thanks for the offer.
RBE doesn't use any localized library at all. I'm at home now and looking right into the code. There is just one check: Can the value entered be interpreted as a numeric value?

If this fails, the value written will be 01FF, because this means a "fused" voltage. Due to intentional limitations of values that can be entered into the voltage slots, I can't imagine why the conclusion might be that a non-numeric value was entered. But exactly that is the case with your problem. Maybe, this is again a "comma versus dot"-problem. What symbol do you use in France to delimit a fraction?
The check for a value larger that two was for an older version, I remembered that wrongly, sorry.

[dactyman]

in france the normal delimiter is comma.
When I use RBE, the only choice is a dot.
As you can see on my attached screenshot, I put "1.25" in voltage value.
I will use 1.07 untill this bug will be solved.

If you are ok, I can try to debug your code on me pc. Contact me by private mesage.

[digitalhater]

Thanks, I already fixed this issue. Fix will be in the next version to come, which is soon. :cool:

Hi m8. I'm trying to save the original bios of my HD2900PRO with GPUZ and when I'm trying to open it with the RBE tool it tells me that "INVALID FILE SPECIFIED. Not an ATI BIOS? - Debug Information: "CheckValid" reported error"

What should I do? Another thing, how do I flash the bios with the new one (presuming I'll manage to open somehow my original bios with the RBE tool.

Thanks in advance!

[VuurVOS]

Hi m8. I'm trying to save the original bios of my HD2900PRO with GPUZ and when I'm trying to open it with the RBE tool it tells me that "INVALID FILE SPECIFIED. Not an ATI BIOS? - Debug Information: "CheckValid" reported error"

What should I do? Another thing, how do I flash the bios with the new one (presuming I'll manage to open somehow my original bios with the RBE tool.

Thanks in advance!

Did you tried it with the latest version of RBE ? I use for flashing and backing up my current bios ATIWinFlash.

[digitalhater]

Did you tried it with the latest version of RBE ? I use for flashing and backing up my current bios ATIWinFlash.

RBE v 1.10 is the latest? Or which one? thx

[VuurVOS]

RBE 1.10 is the latest at the moment. I suggest that you save your bios with ATIWinFlash and check if it happens again

[digitalhater]

RBE 1.10 is the latest at the moment. I suggest that you save your bios with ATIWinFlash and check if it happens again

Thanks. Where do i get ATIWinFlash ? I've tried to use WinFlash and it just overloads my CPU (100%). ATIWinFlash is something different?

Another thig. I've just bought an Arctic Cooling Accelero Xtreme 2900 and mounted it to my 2900PRO card but I have an issue...the fans on the cooler wont start unless I help them a little. They just "tremble" and if I push them a little they start spinning. Any ideas?

[VuurVOS]

Thanks. Where do i get ATIWinFlash ? I've tried to use WinFlash and it just overloads my CPU (100%). ATIWinFlash is something different?

Another thig. I've just bought an Arctic Cooling Accelero Xtreme 2900 and mounted it to my 2900PRO card but I have an issue...the fans on the cooler wont start unless I help them a little. They just "tremble" and if I push them a little they start spinning. Any ideas?

I dont know for sure if it is the same. You need this http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1019/mirrors.php

The problem with fans could be a too low fan speed when the card is cold. You can change/fix this with an edited bios

[digitalhater]

I dont know for sure if it is the same. You need this http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1019/mirrors.php

The problem with fans could be a too low fan speed when the card is cold. You can change/fix this with an edited bios

I've tought of that. And I've even turn on the pc and let the card to get hotter (the fans on the cooler were not spinning) and still they didn't turned on even at 60 degrees C.

Any other suggestions?

[VuurVOS]

Try to change the fan speed with Rivatuner or with ATI (Tray) Tools

[digitalhater]

Try to change the fan speed with Rivatuner or with ATI (Tray) Tools

I am already doing that. Using riva tuner and i keep them at 100%. My prob is that the fans wont start unless i help them to (i have to touch them and push them a little).

[VuurVOS]

I am already doing that. Using riva tuner and i keep them at 100%. My prob is that the fans wont start unless i help them to (i have to touch them and push them a little).

If the fans are running after the push. Do they response on the fan speed changes caused by RivaTuner ?

[digitalhater]

If the fans are running after the push. Do they response on the fan speed changes caused by RivaTuner ?

Yep. The temps drop when I change the speed with RivaTuner. I dont know why they don't start without pushing them....the stock cooler was running at first (when I was pressing the power button).

[BAGZZlash]

I would appreciate the discussion about this to be held in the general thread because this is not an RBE bug report.

[dark2099]

So I have a Visiontek Radeon HD 3870, and when ever I load the bios (dumped from both GPU-Z and ATI Tool) RBE tells me that the powercable is not connect to the card even though I know it is. I've tried changing the connection on the PSU (modular cables) to see if that has done anything with no results, I have changed the cable that came with my PSU (has 4 seperate PCI-E powercables) with no results, and even used a 4pin molex to pci-e power and got the same results with that. Now it doesn't seem to actually affect the performance of the card at all, but it is interesting and a little discomforting. Just did a quick test to see if anything would be different if I booted up the PC with out a cable connected and there was nothing displayed on the screens, so is it just something being read wrong?

[thoughtdisorder]

So I have a Visiontek Radeon HD 3870, and when ever I load the bios (dumped from both GPU-Z and ATI Tool) RBE tells me that the powercable is not connect to the card even though I know it is. I've tried changing the connection on the PSU (modular cables) to see if that has done anything with no results, I have changed the cable that came with my PSU (has 4 seperate PCI-E powercables) with no results, and even used a 4pin molex to pci-e power and got the same results with that. Now it doesn't seem to actually affect the performance of the card at all, but it is interesting and a little discomforting. Just did a quick test to see if anything would be different if I booted up the PC with out a cable connected and there was nothing displayed on the screens, so is it just something being read wrong?

Change the message to whatever your heart desires, in reality that message means nothing from what I've read. (Really)

[philbrown23]

Ok so I use RBE to up my voltage for overclocking,but after I flahs my new bios I cannot overclock the card??? rivatuner won't work, CCC won't work, nor Ati tool. Is this done for a reason? or is this a bug?

[Random Murderer]

Ok so I use RBE to up my voltage for overclocking,but after I flahs my new bios I cannot overclock the card??? rivatuner won't work, CCC won't work, nor Ati tool. Is this done for a reason? or is this a bug?

what did you use to flash?

[VuurVOS]

Ok so I use RBE to up my voltage for overclocking,but after I flahs my new bios I cannot overclock the card??? rivatuner won't work, CCC won't work, nor Ati tool. Is this done for a reason? or is this a bug?

Try to reinstall you drivers

[Mad-Matt]

After installing lasest cats ive noticed that the clocks seems to have become locked, as in i cant overclock via software now. I believe there is a problem with latest rbe as if i flash an untouched bios and reinstall drivers all is well, but if i flash an edited bios and reinstall drivers , the overdrive clocks become locked. I dont recall having this issue with 1.09, but its something ill have to test.

[sipe]

I can confirm that bug, but i can overclock with att and rivatuner but not overdrive

[HTC]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080526/2008-05-27_045123.png

This is the original BIOS, as saved by GPU-Z 0.2.2 (0.2.1 did the same: tested it). Notice that it says it was modified by RBE when it was not and the "Fan Settings" area.

It's not supposed to be like this, is it?

[BAGZZlash]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080526/2008-05-27_045123.png

This is the original BIOS, as saved by GPU-Z 0.2.2 (0.2.1 did the same: tested it). Notice that it says it was modified by RBE when it was not and the "Fan Settings" area.

It's not supposed to be like this, is it?

Could you post your BIOS file? :cool:

[HTC]

Here it is:

[BAGZZlash]

Here it is:


Thanks. Hm, this is a really weired one. It has no usable Hardwarestring at all. Is it really an Asus 3870?
Can you do me one favour: Please use Rivatuner to read the PWM mode of the fan, would you? Inside the BIOS, it's corrupted. Is it a fanless card?
However, the checkbox "has been modified before" is checked because of some unexpected bytes in the end of the file. Exceeds specification as well, but this is just an optical issue. You should safely be able to change clock settings and the strings using RBE, if you like. :cool:

[HTC]

Thanks. Hm, this is a really weired one. It has no usable Hardwarestring at all. Is it really an Asus 3870?
Can you do me one favour: Please use Rivatuner to read the PWM mode of the fan, would you? Inside the BIOS, it's corrupted. Is it a fanless card?
However, the checkbox "has been modified before" is checked because of some unexpected bytes in the end of the file. Exceeds specification as well, but this is just an optical issue. You should safely be able to change clock settings and the strings using RBE, if you like. :cool:

It has a fan: it's this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121217) card!

About the RivaTuner, do you mean these (see attachments)?

I was aiming to change the fan setting only but i encountered that ... :eek:

[BAGZZlash]

It has a fan: it's this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121217) card!

About the RivaTuner, do you mean these (see attachments)?

I was aiming to change the fan setting only but i encountered that ... :eek:

Your second screenshot shows the interesting part: The PWM mode is 0, just as RBE reports (internally). This shouldn't be the case. Does your fan even work? Is it temperature controlled?

[HTC]

Your second screenshot shows the interesting part: The PWM mode is 0, just as RBE reports (internally). This shouldn't be the case. Does your fan even work? Is it temperature controlled?

I just did a Fur Bench run with my card OCed and i didn't hear the fan increasing it's speed. Then i remembered i could turn it to 100% duty cycle in RivaTuner ... :o ... and didn't hear it either.

Something's wrong: i used to hear it but now i don't :wtf:

Does the info in the pic help?

EDIT

I can confirm that the fan IS working because my hand ... accidently ... hit it during a shutdown while it was still working ...

[BAGZZlash]

I just did a Fur Bench run with my card OCed and i didn't hear the fan increasing it's speed. Then i remembered i could turn it to 100% duty cycle in RivaTuner ... :o ... and didn't hear it either.

Something's wrong: i used to hear it but now i don't :wtf:

Does the info in the pic help?

EDIT

I can confirm that the fan IS working because my hand ... accidently ... hit it during a shutdown while it was still working ...

Maybe, but it's not regulated. However, fan controlling is jammed inside the BIOS, that's the problem. You should try another BIOS. Look insinde the TPU-VGA-database for a nice and creamy one.

[HTC]

Maybe, but it's not regulated. However, fan controlling is jammed inside the BIOS, that's the problem. You should try another BIOS. Look insinde the TPU-VGA-database for a nice and creamy one.

I flashed it to this (see attachment).

Using RivaTuner, turning up fan duty cycle yields no results (noise).

Do i have a defective card?

[BAGZZlash]

I flashed it to this (see attachment).

Using RivaTuner, turning up fan duty cycle yields no results (noise).

Do i have a defective card?

At least you fan controller seems to be corrupted. Maybe that's why it was disabled in the first place.
Maybe your fan is connected to some other power source which is not afflicted to the fan controller. Or, more likely: The fan on your card is obviously no standard fan. Maybe it doesn't understand the PWM signal. So it always runs at the same speed.

[HTC]

At least you fan controller seems to be corrupted. Maybe that's why it was disabled in the first place.
Maybe your fan is connected to some other power source which is not afflicted to the fan controller. Or, more likely: The fan on your card is obviously no standard fan. Maybe it doesn't understand the PWM signal. So it always runs at the same speed.

But it's the fan that came with the card ... :confused: :wtf:

[BAGZZlash]

But it's the fan that came with the card ... :confused: :wtf:


Of course. But it's not the reference design fan, that's what I meant. It's a fan Asus decided to put onto the card. Maybe it's superior to the reference fan, maybe not. That's up to you to decide. Is is noisy?

[HTC]

Of course. But it's not the reference design fan, that's what I meant. It's a fan Asus decided to put onto the card. Maybe it's superior to the reference fan, maybe not. That's up to you to decide. Is is noisy?

During the first few days i could hear it, slightly, but now i can't hear it @ all.

[BAGZZlash]

As you see when you read your own linked page (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121217): The card's fan has a 2-pin-power-connector only, so it is not controlable at all. It always runs at the same speed, sorry. :mad:
And now enough of this in the bug reporting thread, please refer to the general TPU-forum for further assistance. These guys know!

[HTC]

As you see when you read your own linked page (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121217): The card's fan has a 2-pin-power-connector only, so it is not controlable at all. It always runs at the same speed, sorry. :mad:
And now enough of this in the bug reporting thread, please refer to the general TPU-forum for further assistance. These guys know!

OK: i just realized it myself. I'm really sorry for the time it took to figure this out :banghead:

The page i linked, i didn't even read it. The reason i linked it was because that fan's pic was the same as mine which was the sole reason to link it.

Again: sorry, dude :(

[BAGZZlash]

OK: i just realized it myself. I'm really sorry for the time it took to figure this out :banghead:

The page i linked, i didn't even read it. The reason i linked it was because that fan's pic was the same as mine which was the sole reason to link it.

Again: sorry, dude :(

Man, no problem! :)

[vitalk]

I have used RBE 1.10 to change fan control, it works just great. Thanx.

But after checking changes in BIOS i found that RBE 1.10 changed GPU voltage table aswell. Look at hex comparsion at picture.
Original BIOS in attachment (Sapphire Toxic HD3870 512Mb GDDR4).

This is not big problem for me, because as I know the biggest GPU voltage value in videocard somewhere around 1.33V.

Just opening BIOS and saving without changes will change voltage table and some values in fan control.
Edit: I found that some people had problem with GPU voltage table values before, so I think you know about this already.

[bichonn]

Hello,
I used RBE 1.10 to fix the fan of a 0.71 hd3870 bios (from connect3d, thus BBA). My computer kept crashing in COD4 after flashing. This card is working in crossfire with an ASUS HD3870.

I flashed the same card with a 0.79 bios (from visiontec), and the computer stoped crashing. It works great with the new bios.

I also noticed that with the RBE fixed bios, the fan was working great when cooling down, but not so well when the temperature was rising.
Ex: When the temp was rising up, at 60° the fan was at 27%.
When the card was cooling down, at 60° the fan was at 45%.

regards

[BAGZZlash]

I also noticed that with the RBE fixed bios, the fan was working great when cooling down, but not so well when the temperature was rising.
Ex: When the temp was rising up, at 60° the fan was at 27%.
When the card was cooling down, at 60° the fan was at 45%.


Thanks. This is not a bug but just how the fan controller works.

[bichonn]

Ok thanks for answering.
Here is another deal:
I am trying to change the vendor name of my ASUS (so that it will not be seen as a 3800 serie by the CCC bur as a HD3870 just like its sister).
When I do that, the new bios appears without voltage??? I checked again, in the original bios you can see the voltage (1.3V in 3D state), but in the moded bios, there is no voltage, just a serie of dash.
If you need I can make some screens?

EDIT: sorry, I should have read the FAQ earlier ... sorry again as this is not a bug!

[n0tiert]

Hi m8´s

I found a liitle Bug in RBE1.11

On my "Asus EAH3870 Top" the Memory Type isn´t Displayed
and I´m unable to Manage Fan Control

Also it shows that it has been already modded with RBE
May ASUS had their hands already on the Bios using RBE :rockout:
Just dumped it via latest GPU-z

Added BIOS as Attachment.....

thx

n0tiert

[VuurVOS]

Hi m8´s

I found a liitle Bug in RBE1.11

On my "Asus EAH3870 Top" the Memory Type isn´t Displayed
and I´m unable to Manage Fan Control

thx

n0tiert
Correct my if wrong, but the Top edtion doesnt have fan controll because it uses a two wire cooler called glaciator.

This is how the glaciator looks
http://asus.com/999/images/products/1980/1980_m.jpg

[n0tiert]

Correct my if wrong, but the Top edtion doesnt have fan controll because it uses a two wire cooler called glaciator.

This is how the glaciator looks
http://asus.com/999/images/products/1980/1980_m.jpg



yeeah true but it´s Temp Controlled dunno how :confused: but it is
my Sapphire ATI HD2600Pro AGP had also only 2 wire fan and it was temp controlled .... and i could change values in RBE

[VuurVOS]

yeeah true but it´s Temp Controlled dunno how :confused: but it is
my Sapphire ATI HD2600Pro AGP had also only 2 wire fan and it was temp controlled .... and i could change values in RBE

Fan with temp controll can also be controlled with a small sensor (temp diode) on the fan.

Did you try to edit an other asus hd3870 top bios. You can download a bios from the techpowerup bios collection section:
http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/index.php?page=1&architecture=ATI&manufacturer=Asus&model=HD+3870&interface=&memSize=0

[BAGZZlash]

Hi m8´s

I found a liitle Bug in RBE1.11

On my "Asus EAH3870 Top" the Memory Type isn´t Displayed
and I´m unable to Manage Fan Control

Also it shows that it has been already modded with RBE
May ASUS had their hands already on the Bios using RBE :rockout:
Just dumped it via latest GPU-z

Added BIOS as Attachment.....

thx

n0tiert

Okay, that's a lot to explain in one go.

First of all, it's not the memory TYPE, that's not displayed, but the memory AMOUNT. As I said in the built-in FAQ, this is not a problem. Some BIOSes simply do not contain that information.

Second of all, VuurVOS is right: This card does not use the internal fan controller. The fan controller is inside the GPU, so many cards that are not temperature controlled, do have a fan controller. Literally all RV670-based cards have one. But some cards don't use it. Maybe, because the fan simply works without control, or the fan has its own temperature sensor and controls itself or, or, or. However, inside most BIOSes, even of cards that don't use the internal fan controller, the subroutines that program the controller on boot-up, are intact. So, RBE can access and modify them even when the card doesn't use them. This is different with this BIOS: It doesn't use the controller inside the GPU and the routines to program it inside the BIOS have been removed. So, RBE can't access them.

At last, as I again said already in the built-in FAQ (does anyone even read this shit? :banghead:), it's not trivial to make the BIOS file remember that it's been modified using RBE already. I found some byte to save it to, but inside few BIOSes, this byte is filled with crap already. So, RBE is fooled to think that it had its hands on this file before. This is no reason to worry.

[n0tiert]

Fan with temp controll can also be controlled with a small sensor (temp diode) on the fan.

Did you try to edit an other asus hd3870 top bios. You can download a bios from the techpowerup bios collection section:
http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/index.php?page=1&architecture=ATI&manufacturer=Asus&model=HD+3870&interface=&memSize=0

Same effect on that Bios too

Memory Size ain´t shown and FanControl is disabled

thx

n0tiert

[WBone]

Hello all, this is my first post, although following you for a long time.

I don't know if it's a bug or you are aware of the following situtaion;
As you can see in the two pics it is the same (default 4870) bios loaded in both RBE versions.
Though same clock numbers have different clock & voltage settings.
I've noticed this is happenning only when we open any 4870/4850 default bios.
If we open any previously modified (by us via RBE) bios clock numbers have same clock & voltage settings in both 1.11 and 1.12 RBE versions.

Again, i am not sure if this is a bug, but wanted to bring it up in your attention :)

Congs and thank you for your efforts. You are doing great job!

Regards

[BAGZZlash]

Hello all, this is my first post, although following you for a long time.

I don't know if it's a bug or you are aware of the following situtaion;
As you can see in the two pics it is the same (default 4870) bios loaded in both RBE versions.
Though same clock numbers have different clock & voltage settings.
I've noticed this is happenning only when we open any 4870/4850 default bios.
If we open any previously modified (by us via RBE) bios clock numbers have same clock & voltage settings in both 1.11 and 1.12 RBE versions.

Again, i am not sure if this is a bug, but wanted to bring it up in your attention :)

Congs and thank you for your efforts. You are doing great job!

Regards


Yeah, that's because of the lock turned on by default in RBE v1.11 and previous. I turned it off in RBE v1.12 to avoid this.

[ewok666]

Great little tool! But I do seem to have a problem with the new version and my HIS 4870 card.

If I modify the fan settings in RBE 1.11 then ATIWinflash writes the Bios without any problems. If I do the same thing (using the same original BIOS) with RBE 1.12 I get an error message: VBIOS image not found.

Any ideas?

TIA

[Fastmix]

Hello guys,

I have noticed that when I make changes with rbe on my 4870 bios, as soon as I try to save the value Hysteresis and T min hysteresis became 0 and even if I change them back manually, they still go to 0 as soon as I try to save.

I hope it will be fixed thanks.

[BAGZZlash]

If I modify the fan settings in RBE 1.11 then ATIWinflash writes the Bios without any problems. If I do the same thing (using the same original BIOS) with RBE 1.12 I get an error message: VBIOS image not found.


That should happen very rarely. It's because of a changed checksum handling in v1.12. The problem is that WinFlash calculates the checksum incorrectly and is then fooled to think the checksum was wrong.
RBE v1.13 will offer more features to handle the checksum. :)


I have noticed that when I make changes with rbe on my 4870 bios, as soon as I try to save the value Hysteresis and T min hysteresis became 0 and even if I change them back manually, they still go to 0 as soon as I try to save.

I hope it will be fixed thanks.


That's intentional when using look up table. Click "What do all the settings mean?" in the RBE fan control tab and read the information there. It's because of a bug in ATIs fan controller.

Reading this post, someone might think ATI is too dumb to code anything correctly... :rolleyes:

[VuurVOS]

That's intentional when using look up table. Click "What do all the settings mean?" in the RBE fan control tab and read the information there. It's because of a bug in ATIs fan controller.

How sure are you? It was a bug of the hd3800 serie. Maybe its already fixed in the hd4800 serie bios.

[BAGZZlash]

How sure are you? It was a bug of the hd3800 serie. Maybe its already fixed in the hd4800 serie bios.


Not quite. As you know, I don't have a 4xx0, so I can't try. This is something to discuss in our next private chat.

[VuurVOS]

Not quite. As you know, I don't have a 4xx0, so I can't try. This is something to discuss in our next private chat.
Yes Master http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/vader.gif

[OnDborder]

Alrighty.
I decided try the rbe 1.14 and older versions on my 3870x2.
All I get is blank spaces.
Running catz 8.7.
What button am I suppose to click?
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9066/ati1fh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[tigger69]

You need to use the file menu and open your bios.If you dont have a copy of your bios,use gpu-z and save a copy of it from your gfx card to your hdd.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080822/Untitled505.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080822/Untitled2.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080822/Untitled3.jpg

[OnDborder]

Got it..
Thanks.
One small problem with the 1.14 on the 3870x2. I get this
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7863/ati21xu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Don't get it with the 1.13 version.

I haven't tried this on my 4870x2 yet.

So I guess when you flash a dual gpu card you'd go to gpu-z>save bios file>go to the dropdown menu>choose the other gpu> save that to a different folder>start up rbe>load the first bios>flash??or> load the second bios> flash?

[BAGZZlash]

One small problem with the 1.14 on the 3870x2. I get this
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7863/ati21xu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Weird. I don't get that with my 3870X2 ASUS BIOS. Could you send me yours for testing?

/Edit: Found the bug already and fixed it. Will be included in next release. Until then, use REB v1.13 for your card, please.

[AphexDreamer]

Yeah I would get the same thing, I was just to lazy to post it, thanks OnDBoarder for doing so.

[Fastmix]

Hi BAGZZlash,

Would it be possible to add the latest 4870 bios with the higher voltage in rbe to do the voltage tweak, so I can have a low 2d voltage and an higher 3d.

Thanks

Here is a copy

[VuurVOS]

Hi BAGZZlash,

Would it be possible to add the latest 4870 bios with the higher voltage in rbe to do the voltage tweak, so I can have a low 2d voltage and an higher 3d.

Thanks

Here is a copy

Why didn't you pm him? Correct me if wrong but BAGZZlash has already the bios from LuxZg. For getting the higher voltage support, he needs a clean copy of the orginal bios otherwise its impossible to find out what is diffrent.

[Fastmix]

That is an untouched copy.

[Dr_Nain]

Little problem with my 2900pro, when I use an "rbe mod" rom, the card switches to 3D mode when I use the TV as a display.