Got Light?

[ScSiDaN]

Does anyone remember, back in the days when the Athlon ruled the earth (2005), AMD challenged Intel to a Duel-Core Duel on their website. An embarrassed Intel, responded by dropping the Core line of processors on AMD and since, AMD has not had an answer. Why? Ignorant Arrogance I think. AMD kept nothing in reserve. What I am asking is: Is the Core 2 the ice age and AMD the mammoth? I think so.

Although some hope arose for me when AMD bought ATi, AMD has since shrunk to be worth less then they paid for ATi and cracks are beginning to show. Look at AMD/ATi’s new ranges. The HD38xx chip is slightly revised one from the one found in the previous HD2900 series, similarly the Phenom, which agritecture wise, is slightly revised Athlon. More evidence is in the fact that ATi can not compete in the high end graphics market without putting two chips on one board. Yes it is great value, but this is the company that made the X850 PE (the best card I ever owned). Now AMD is saying that answer is the Spider Platform which again translates to AMD not having the technology to develop faster single chip cards thus selling re-branded revisions as new products. If not so, why did the 8800Ultra ruled single chip cards for so long and why is the Core 2 still king? To boot, AMD is cutting back 10% on their staff.

My first ATi card was a RAGE 128 Pro (which I still have) and I bought my first AMD CPU called the thunderbird in 2000 and have supported both since. Need less to say, I so looked forward to the release of the HD3870 and the Phenom, bought both on release and was very, very disappointed with their performance. With the Intel Nehalem on the horizon and the GeForce 9 series already released, and AMD cutting back 10% on their staff, I am really not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel for my beloved AMD/ATI. Can someone perhaps?

[erocker]

I think AMD is doing just fine! They are doing some cleaning up and reorganizing, but that's not a bad thing, if anything it's a step in the right direction. If I recall, Intel cut some jobs a while ago too, It happens. Their video card sales are up and their future card lineup has a very large portfolio at the moment. AMD's quad-cores (which initially failed) are getting much better. I take no sides, as I own two newer rigs equipped with hardware form both sides. No, AMD's processor division doesn't hold the crown at the moment, but no one knows who will in the future? Things change all the time, and the only thing we all should hope for is the best price for the best performance. Competition is good, let AMD try to catch up to Intel while they sit on thier hands, it's not like AMD doesn't have anything planned after the Barcelona/Agena cores, of course they do! And if they fail to have the performance of Intel, so what? They will be cheaper and more affordable for the masses. It's A-Ok that Intel's faster, it just pushes the others to keep up. I actually would love to see another company enter the fray and make the competition even bigger.:toast:

[nflesher87]

in charges IBM! oh wait, apple already dumped them :laugh:

[erocker]

IBM is trying to make a comeback in a big way! I'd really love to see them making desktop chips again!:)

[nflesher87]

IBM is trying to make a comeback in a big way! I'd really love to see them making desktop chips again!:)

hehe yeah I was just messing, and yes that would be great! what if IBM bought out AMD/ATI?!

[xubidoo]

I actually would love to see another company enter the fray and make the competition even bigger.:toast:


Cyrix anyone? :laugh:

Cyrix = possibly the worst cpu ive ever had the misfortune to own.

[erocker]

Cyrix anyone? :laugh:

Cyrix = possibly the worst cpu ive ever had the misfortune to own.

Me too man... Feel the pain! Nate, I would rather see AMD do it on thier own and have three desktop CPU producers, but If it would make AMD/ATi better, I'd be all for it.

[nflesher87]

hehe or what if VIA came out of nowhere and unleashed this beast of a cpu! that would be awesome :)

[DaedalusHelios]

hehe or what if VIA came out of nowhere and unleashed this beast of a cpu! that would be awesome :)

And if they made it to work in the sockets of other manufacturers boards..... that would awesome and funny at the same time. :D

[EnglishLion]

Remember that ati are selling a huge number of graphics chips that are hidden away inside the xbox360. and of course IBM supply the PowerPC triple core cpu for it too! So although IBM dumped apple they probably sell more powerpc chips now in 360s.

I've moved over from AMD to Intel for my latest build but I'm still sporting ati graphics and I really don't think the Nvidia 9-series is the last nail in the coffin by a long way after all it's just a re-release of the 8-series so far. And it's not only ati that are turning to dual gpu cards, nvidia have their dual gpu cards too.

And not to forget that Intel are planning on releasing a discrete video product and nvidia are just about in the cpu market in small devices (phones pda etc) they have an imminent product.

[ScSiDaN]

What I am saying is that AMD used to have an answer for every Intel product. But it has been while since a AMD technology impressed me. Which bought me to the thought that AMD does not have answers because of finance's or whatever.

I welcome Intel into Graphics market . Maybe now nVidia and ATi will wake up and stop pushing SLi and Crossfire and start getting those powerful single GPU cards out there. I am on my third crossfire rig and the gains are not worth the effort and money hence my single card view. If AMD continues this trend, I to will switch cpus but i will wait for the Nehalem.

[DanishDevil]

Hey you've got to keep in mind that times change. It's the way of life. They should be switching places every now and then. Keeps for a good sustained multi-manufacturer market.

If AMD were always on top, Intel might die, monopoly would form, and then all shit would hit the big giant fan and rain down on us all.

[yogurt_21]

I welcome Intel into Graphics market .

LMAO wow do some reasearch before posting, intel has been in the graphics market longer than ati and nvidia combined. lol

and sure amd's processors haven't been up to snuff lately, but the 790 chipset is rock solid while operating at superlow watts, and amd's mobil devices have always sold well. Theres more to the computer market than gaming, infact MOST of the computer market doesn't even touch on gaming.

[philbrown23]

Ok I bought an "nice" amd rig that would allow me to overclock from 2.0ghz to 2.7ghz!! then I joined tech sites and saw that my rig sucked the preverbial balls! I switched to intel and nvidia graphics cards, well then I realized that the 8800gt was a joke, and the 8800gts g92 was no better and moved to ati. Right now price/performance wise ati wins, andas far as cpu's my intl will out overclock most amd's but stock wise the new phenoms and the q6600's are pretty close they are not neck and neck but close althought the q6600 is cheaper than the new phenoms, I did not compare the new phenoms to the new 45nm quads because they are not 45nm when amd releases 45nm (I'm sure they will eventually) then we can compare. Amd won't die out because of ATI that was the smartest thing that Amd has done I think, as far as the cutbacks, they should focus on the people that fucked up big time with the TLB erratum crap and not fire people from the ati side, but they ave already fired some ati employees, but more of the cpu researchers than anything. They will not die not for a while anyways.

[ShadowFold]

Im sure the X3's will help alot cause I know a few people already that are going to be getting one including me.

[ScSiDaN]

LMAO wow do some reasearch before posting, intel has been in the graphics market longer than ati and nvidia combined. lol

and sure amd's processors haven't been up to snuff lately, but the 790 chipset is rock solid while operating at superlow watts, and amd's mobil devices have always sold well. Theres more to the computer market than gaming, infact MOST of the computer market doesn't even touch on gaming.

Sorry Bru, should have said re-entered the discreet graphics market. I have the 790FX and it is a bomb. If AMD want to make a true comeback, they should make a 790 based board for the Intel 775 socket. If can't beat them?

[erocker]

Yeah, but Intel makes a kick-ass crossfire board. There seems to be a mutual respect between the two companies on the chipset front.

[ShadowFold]

Sorry Bru, should have said re-entered the discreet graphics market. I have the 790FX and it is a bomb. If AMD want to make a true comeback, they should make a 790 based board for the Intel 775 socket. If can't beat them?

Then join them? That wouldnt make any sense. Thats apples and oranges man..

[Dr. Spankenstein]

Let's not forget the ATi/AMD powered Wii.

[DaedalusHelios]

Sorry Bru, should have said re-entered the discreet graphics market. I have the 790FX and it is a bomb. If AMD want to make a true comeback, they should make a 790 based board for the Intel 775 socket. If can't beat them?

What you have been trying to say is 100% right. AMD did drop the ball with the Quads. Just like Intel dropped the ball when it made the Pentium D. :)

ATi graphics stack up to nvidia fine(price wise atleast)...... but AMD Quads are pretty bad when compared to Intel's offerings. And yes the 8800 Ultra never should have held the crown that long. It was rediculous for that card to hold on that long. :laugh:

[DaedalusHelios]

Then join them? That wouldnt make any sense. Thats apples and oranges man..

I believe he is trying to say they should try to gain marketshare whenever they can in every sector without spreading themselves thin, I think. :)

[DanishDevil]

It's funny. I was going to say that if AMD made an skt775 chipset, they would lose some customers. I'm not so sure of that now...

ATi is software-based and can work on an nVidia chipset. Just keep that in mind since we're talking about rival companies.

nVidia may have jumped ATi on the initial entering into multi-card setups, but ATi is WAY ahead of the game right now with hybrid crossfire and completely software-controlled Crossfire. I think that's definitely one winning point for AMD/ATi.

[ScSiDaN]

I believe he is trying to say they should try to gain marketshare whenever they can in every sector without spreading themselves thin, I think. :)

100% correct dude. ATI boards used to feature a Intel socket, so why not again? Eg.AMD can keep the four way crossfire as an exclusive for its AM2 spider platform boards, but make a dual PCI-E 16 layout for intel sockets or whatever.

[ShadowFold]

100% correct dude. ATI boards used to feature a Intel socket, so why not again? Eg.AMD can keep the four way crossfire as an exclusive for its AM2 spider platform boards, but make a dual PCI-E 16 layout for intel sockets or whatever.

Intel already has Quad-Fire :p

[ScSiDaN]

Intel already has Quad-Fire :p

Yes, but not a 790 based board Quad-Fire for a Intel socket.

[DanTheBanjoman]

An embarrassed Intel, responded by dropping the Core line of processors on AMD and since, AMD has not had an answer. Why? Ignorant Arrogance I think. AMD kept nothing in reserve.

Intel is many times the size of AMD, so are their finances. AMD doesn't have the money to develop various architectures in parallel like Intel does. The result is simple, AMD can be lucky for a generation, after that Intel strikes back due to the huge research capacity. AMD has been the underdog ever since they exist and will remain so for a long time. There is no shortcut for them, Intel is simply the dominating company due to their size.


Cyrix anyone? :laugh:

Cyrix = possibly the worst cpu ive ever had the misfortune to own.
Funny detail being that the first Geodes were rebatched MediaGX chips, go AMD!