Logitech Z-5500 Digital Soundroom

[DanishDevil]

I can't resist linking to a picture of the final result next to the modder's one-eyed cat:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/bgrngod/Speaker%20Stand%20Project/SpeakerStandProject-17.jpg

Yarr matey! There be lots of fish swimmin' below these nifty mounted speakers :laugh:

[freaksavior]

what size speaker wires do you peeps use? is it the standard or did you use a different one? im thinking about buying these and replacing the wire with 16guage monster speaker wire

[chargerblender]

yeh, my z5500 arrived today!! using standard wire-pretty gd length for stock wires!
:toast: For me i wld wory less about a wire upgrade, more about quality of my music and input cable quality.

[DanishDevil]

Congrats! I'll move you to the owners section; If you'd fill out the requested information, I'll add that, too!

[twicksisted]

what size speaker wires do you peeps use? is it the standard or did you use a different one? im thinking about buying these and replacing the wire with 16guage monster speaker wire

I think that would be a waste of money... the supplied cable is fine for the amp / speakers
try it and let us know if you can hear a difference, though I seriously doubt it

[calvary1980]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=59884

- Christine

[Black Panther]

im thinking about buying these and replacing the wire with 16guage monster speaker wire

The wires have to be 18 gauge or higher.

[DaedalusHelios]

what size speaker wires do you peeps use? is it the standard or did you use a different one? im thinking about buying these and replacing the wire with 16guage monster speaker wire

It wouldn't help you any. If anything adding larger gauge wires to a lower power output would cause more distortion dispite the BS "monster cable" marketing.:laugh:

[xvi]

Anyone else get the feeling that the Second Skin changes the sound of the audio coming out of it?

[Black Panther]

The second skin somewhat lowers the volume I guess?

I had tried it out but removed it because I preferred the original skin anyway.

[xvi]

Yeah.. I agree. I thought the bass was quieter too. I usually don't have it up far, but I did today and it didn't seem to be nearly as high as before.

[DanishDevil]

The volume stepping is definitely different with the second skin. You notice there are no more half-increments with volume. As far as bass, I didn't notice any, but maybe I should do some comparisons...

Thanks for the link Christine.

[calvary1980]

second skin lowers the volume.

- Christine

[freaksavior]

I get monster cables for lcheap so there not expensive. example. 30' of 16guage speakers wire is $24 i get it for $8. but ok. i plan to buy em in about a month

[hv43082]

Here's my simple set up.

Sound Card: X-Fi Fatality

[DanishDevil]

Welcome hv43082 :toast:

Heck of a monitor you've got there!

[hv43082]

Welcome hv43082 :toast:

Heck of a monitor you've got there!

Thanks. It's like the only component that hold its value well.

[DanishDevil]

So will these speakers! :rockout:

BTW - Where you at in OC? Anywhere near me?

[hv43082]

So will these speakers! :rockout:

BTW - Where you at in OC? Anywhere near me?

Used to live in Westminster, which is pretty close to Newport. I used to do some volunteer work at Hoag hospital. Now I am in med school in Miami though. No more sale tax from Newegg for me but no time to really play with my computer.

[DanishDevil]

I wish I had no sales tax from Newegg :cry:

Hope med school's going well for ya! Keep on the studies now and it'll be worth it in the long run.

...at least that's what they say :roll:

[hv43082]

I wish I had no sales tax from Newegg :cry:

Hope med school's going well for ya! Keep on the studies now and it'll be worth it in the long run.

...at least that's what they say :roll:

Haha I hope so too. All I see so far is HUGE student loan. I sure miss Fry's cuz I usually buy little stuffs there. This speaker is too loud. I turn it up 3 bars for BF2142 and the room is you can hear it in the whole apartment :laugh:.

[Black Panther]

Danish, I wish I was able to purchase stuff from Newegg! Their prices are dead cheap compared to what we get here in Europe! :cry:

To everyone:

Click this link (http://rapidshare.com/files/114202521/Gone_In_60_Seconds_-_Techno_Bass_Ultimate_woofer_test_2_.mp3.html) to see how your Z-5500 bass performs. At even less than half the volume you should be feeling your window panes shaking! :D

[FatForester]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=59884

- Christine

I've been eying this for a while, and it seems Dell all of a sudden decided to play dumb. "Oh! SORRY, we don't know where this went. Product doesn't exist." They'll probably re-release it but 100 dollars more expensive.

[DanishDevil]

Oh wow. That sucks.

Well, they're still $224 from CompUSA...I think...

Dang! Best price from a reliable place right now is $270 Shipped from ClubIT.

[Mussels]

i paid 350 for mine. that was a bargain here in aus :P

I want to emphasise something, mostly because i didnt do it.

PLEASE put the rear speakers BEHIND and NOT BESIDE you!

Mine were behind, but not level with the front ones and it made teh surround effect very poor in games. They need to mirror the front speakers in order to sound right. It doesnt matter for music, but anything that relies on positional audio will be messed up if you dont do it that way.

[DanishDevil]

Thanks for the tip Mussels. Unfortunately, with the layout of my room, I've got no way of properly mounting them behind me :cry: I've tried to think of other room configurations, but it just won't work.

[gerrynicol]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=59884

- Christine

They are back on the site still$200 (I paid £240 GBP for mine :mad:) not sure about the shipping though.

[DanishDevil]

Thanks man. They've still got their Zune 80 sale page pulled :mad:

[rampage]

as mussels has said the position of the speaker is VERY inportant, i dont know about the Logitech Z-5500's but i have an older LG 5.1/DTS home thearter set up and i cannot but the rear speakers too far behind me as the set up is in my bed room but with my speakers i found adjusting the volume of the indivual speakers and playing the the delay for the indivdual speaker work wonders for my set up...

[thundershock]

Hi, sorry to interrupt. I was passing by and saw this Z-5500 Club while I was searching for some info about the bass settings of the Z-5500 (which I may add I own) with the X-Fi Extreme Gamer 7.1 soundcard. I'm having trouble getting a satisfactory configuration as I find the sub sounds somehow "muddy" with some music media. DVD movies sound great and Enemy Territory Quake Wars rocks the room :rockout:

I paid around $400 for them about a month ago. I could have ordered from a cheaper site but decided to go local (Costa Rica) because of the warranty. Oh well, with shipping costs and taxes price would have been nearly the same :ohwell:

You might want to know I did some quick tests and :

I can reach +22 no problem.
Holding input+settings didn't work for me.
Second skin worked but I like the first one
.

Mine has speaker wire connections, M/N: S-0115A
Will send a pic when I clean up a little :D

[twicksisted]

hey thundershock, welcome to TPU & the Z5500 club :)

[calvary1980]

They are back on the site still$200 (I paid £240 GBP for mine :mad:) not sure about the shipping though.

Shipping is Free.

- Christine

[Black Panther]

Welcome Thundershock!

Btw, to you and everyone, try not to use your speakers in boost level unless you have a really low sound source (not even boost 11 let alone boost 22) because you can do damage.

I tried mine at boost 22 for some seconds and there was a 'warm electronicky smell' in the room... :eek: thankfully everything still works but I couldn't resist testing out boost 22... :o I've read on the logitech forums about guys ruining their sets in boost mode...:(

Has anyone here made heads or tails about which settings are saved when you switch off your set?
Mine apparently seems to save settings in a very random way.

I always have mine on:
PLII Music Effect,
slightly more than half-way bass,
slightly more than halfway surround,
slightly less than half-way for the centre speaker, and
just one and a half notches of volume (enough for the sounds while browsing, I put that up for movies/games/music:) )

However when I switch it on I always get these settings:
PLII Movie effect
only 3 bars of bass
0 bars for surround
1 bar for centre speaker
0 bars for volume

:confused:

[twicksisted]

hmmm i dunno about that... i use my soundcard to do all the processing for surround etc... and optical... so the settings arte saved in my soundcards control panel.

I am pretty sure that the circuitry & dsp of my soundcard is better for the task of surround and processing, so Id rather have it do all the work and let the Z5500's autosense the input and adjust accordingly.

[Black Panther]

hmmm i dunno about that... i use my soundcard to do all the processing for surround etc... and optical... so the settings arte saved in my soundcards control panel.

I am pretty sure that the circuitry & dsp of my soundcard is better for the task of surround and processing, so Id rather have it do all the work and let the Z5500's autosense the input and adjust accordingly.

So you mean that when you power on your pc you get the same sound setting in your Z-5500 as you had when you switched everything off? Complete with bass, satellite, volume and effect setting? :eek:

[DanishDevil]

I do...

[twicksisted]

So you mean that when you power on your pc you get the same sound setting in your Z-5500 as you had when you switched everything off? Complete with bass, satellite, volume and effect setting? :eek:

i think so... but it dosent matter becuase i keep everything default on the Z5500.... i do all the tweaking in the soundcards software and have all my profiles saved in the soundcard so that i dont have to fuss with the headunit

[Mussels]

i only run mine via digital (soundcard via coax, everything else into TV and then out via optical) and everything saves fine for me - that said, on digital i cant even use the dolby settings, therefore i dont know if they save or not.

[thundershock]

Black Panther all my setting for volume, surround, etc remain the same when I turn the speakers off. I wonder if you are turning off the sub switch which I don't do ever. But even after a blackout all my Z-5500 remain the same.

About the soundcard settings, there's a known issue with the mayority of retail X-Fi soundcard drivers. It just won't save speaker configurations. Only Ausentech seems to have good drivers that save settings ..but mine is not Ausentech :(

Oh, and I didn't had any media playing when I made the +22 test, actually I'm a little too sensitive to some sounds, says my Otorhinolaryngologist. And that is not superhearing, it's just some frequencies that can give me headaches, the mayority of people won't even notice them. So it's nice to know the speakers are powerfull but, as many people here said, I don't think I will ever use the boosts.

I bought this speakers because in my research I saw a comment where someone said that he/she could hear instruments and voices with the Z-5500 that had never heard before with other speakers ...using the same media from their favorite song!

I'm very happy to tell you I had that same experience with many songs, but thats not achieved by turnning up the volume. Actually, if it is too loud you can't apreciate the music, even if it doesn't disort.

So if you want to wake up the neighbors it's OK, but really, they won't notice the diference between this and other speakers since this system has a sweet spot. If you are not in the sweet spot you are missing the point of having this speakers.

That said, I think it's cool to "feel" the bass once in a while :D

[Mussels]

my Otorhinolaryngologist
You have a dinosaur? :confused:



(I too have heard new and impressive things here. games in particular make me drool with this set.)

[Black Panther]

Hmmm no I don't switch off from the sub switch.

There it's happened again I just switched them on and they're on PLII Movie. I'm missing out something for sure because up to some weeks ago they had been switching on 6Ch Direct...

[Master_of_Time]

Well, even if I turn them off form the sub switch the speakers DO remember my settings. You must have a problem or a different firmware? :confused:

[Black Panther]

They've always been like that.

I checked Danish's first post of this thread, seems no one has firmware v2.0.9 like I have?

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Hello everyone. I'm about 2 steps away from getting a Z-5500 speaker systems, but I have a question about the 6 channel direct cable. I can't find any pictures of it on the internet. Am I right by assumin that one end is 3 mini Jack plugs and the other end is RCA plugs?

Also does anyone know how the speakers sound with HD Audio like SACD? Cause I might buy an SACD player to go along with it.

Thanks for such a great forum and a dedicated thread to the Z-5500 guys!

[twicksisted]

Hello everyone. I'm about 2 steps away from getting a Z-5500 speaker systems, but I have a question about the 6 channel direct cable. I can't find any pictures of it on the internet. Am I right by assumin that one end is 3 mini Jack plugs and the other end is RCA plugs?

Also does anyone know how the speakers sound with HD Audio like SACD? Cause I might buy an SACD player to go along with it.

Thanks for such a great forum and a dedicated thread to the Z-5500 guys!


both ends of the supplied main cable are minijack.... you dont have the use the supplied cable though and you can buy cables with RCA - Minijack from audio shops if you need.

alternatively you can use co-axial or optical... or 3 pairs of "RCA - minijack"

[Mussels]

the 6 channel cables are 3 pairs of standard stereo plugs - the same as on the PC soundcard, or headphones for example.

The speakers themselves use RCA plugs on early models of these speakers, most that you'll get today use strands of wire (supplied, and a lot easier to attach/remove)

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Ok thanks guys, I get it. What about hooking it up to an SACD player? Are the Z-5500 speakers good enough to take advantage of HD Audio?
Also are the speakers upgradable?

[Mussels]

i have no idea what an SACD player is, sorry.

Well they are THX certified, so at a guess... yeah. These are the best you can get in PC speakers, and they certainly challenge a lot of home cinema speakers. your definition of 'HD' audio leaves a bit to be desired. If you're talking onboard HD audio, that means next to nothing. If you mean digital audio like dolby digital and DTS, then yes - they decode those wonderfully.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

i have no idea what an SACD player is, sorry.



Really SACD is Super Audio CD, 24-bit multi channel audio CDs, with sample rates from 88.1kHz-2Ghz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD

[Mussels]

Really SACD is Super Audio CD, 24-bit multi channel audio CDs, with sample rates from 88.1kHz-2Ghz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD

never seen them. guess they arent popular in australia, most people here are satisfied with 128Kb MP3's :(

Anyway, the Z55's are rated to 24 bit, 96Khz so i guess that oughta give you a good idea what they're capable of.

[DanishDevil]

Really SACD is Super Audio CD, 24-bit multi channel audio CDs, with sample rates from 88.1kHz-2Ghz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD

They will sound amazing. Use a good Optical cable from your SACD player to the head unit. You will be blown away.

An SACD is basically the precursor to DVD Audio discs.

[Mussels]

They will sound amazing. Use a good Optical cable from your SACD player to the head unit. You will be blown away.

An SACD is basically the precursor to DVD Audio discs.

and i've never seen a DVD-A in person either :(

sigh... freakin ipod generation.

anyone know a good source to get (legal preferably) some of this uber quality music? i'd like to see how good it really is. (digital format, plz)

[twicksisted]

and i've never seen a DVD-A in person either :(

sigh... freakin ipod generation.

anyone know a good source to get (legal preferably) some of this uber quality music? i'd like to see how good it really is. (digital format, plz)


Different media may be able to contain larger amounts of data, and they may be different formats availible that are capable of outputting a higher resolution, but at the end of the day is down to how the actual audio file was produced, mixed and mastered that determines what it sounds like.

Most professional recording studios mix and master in 24bit 48khz... then after mastering the file is set at 16bit 44.1khz for audio CD's, Vinyl & MP3.

[Mussels]

Different media may be able to contain larger amounts of data, and they may be different formats availible that are capable of outputting a higher resolution, but at the end of the day is down to how the actual audio file was produced, mixed and mastered that determines what it sounds like.

Most professional recording studios mix and master in 24bit 48khz... then after mastering the file is set at 16bit 44.1khz for audio CD's, Vinyl & MP3.

yeah... any links, or someone want to PM/email me a good high quality file? I'm interested in this DVD audio and such that you are mentioning.

[DanishDevil]

I got a sample CD with my X-Fi. Only piece of DVD Audio I ever saw in person. It really didn't take off...

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Why is the Z-5500 so hard to find in stores? Major electronic stores like Best Buy and Circuit City don't carry it. Its seems like its online only.
Also does anyone have any expereince with buying from eCost.com? They have a sale for $165.99 USD.

[DanishDevil]

BUY IT!!! That's an AMAZING price. I've heard the name, but I don't have any personal experience.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

I have another question. When connected by the s/pdif to my computer, and playing stereo audio. Will the subwoofer still work? Will it only be 2.0 and not be 2.1? In the my manual it says my computer supports Stereo, 4-Channel, and 6-Channel Audio.
I have an Asus A7V8X-X for the record.

Oh and by the way I recommend to stay far away from eCost.com I found two websites that have reviews for it, and they rate an adverage of 1.8/10 from a pool of about 70 customer reviews!

[DanishDevil]

Yes, the sub will work.

And thanks for the heads up on eCost. I won't add it to the first post.

[Mussels]

the sub will work, it will just leech the bass out of the front two channels, rather than have its own channel for exactly the right amount of bass.

[DanishDevil]

I would just set it to PLII Music anyway. It sounds pretty damn good for crummy MP3 music :)

[gerrynicol]

just got a new monitor, so had to set them up a bit differently. After many attempts to get it looking good, here goes.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/Gerrynicol/18052008060.jpg

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Are there any speaker stands from the surround speaker? On the Logitech website there is a video demo of the satilites on stands, but noone seems to know which they are.

Also to gerrynicol:
How did you get your center speaker to balance on your flat screen monitor like that?


Oh and Geek.com has the Logitech Z-5500 on sale for $159.99!. I ordered it last night! And the store has decent reviews this time. ;)
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=970115-0403-R&cpc=SCH

[gerrynicol]

Also to gerrynicol:How did you get your center speaker to balance on your flat screen monitor like that?


I have a couple of foam pads on the bottom and use the feet to prop the back up.

see pic.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/Gerrynicol/18052008061.jpg

[Black Panther]

Nice idea gerrynicol!



Has anyone here made heads or tails about which settings are saved when you switch off your set?
Mine apparently seems to save settings in a very random way.



I think I discovered the 'random' way in which settings are saved.
I put the settings I wanted, then switched off the speakers before switching off the pc.
Voila my settings got 'saved' now and everytime I switch on the pc I get them correct.
wtf... :laugh:

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Ok It finally arrived. My Z-5500.
I have an embarrasingly lame camera, but here are some photos.


http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14616&d=1211352336

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14615&d=1211352326

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14617&d=1211352342


Everything works ok. I seem to get Boost 11.

For the life of me I can't seem to get 5.1 with S/PDIF using Windows Media Player 11 with files nor DVDs. I can get 5.1 with PowerDVD with DVDs only but not files.
With the 6-Channel Direct cable everything works well, but I would have liked to use the S/PDIF cable I bought specidically for this rig. Any help?

[DanishDevil]

What does your head unit display while you're trying to get that? Are you using Coax or Optical?

[Mussels]

For the life of me I can't seem to get 5.1 with S/PDIF using Windows Media Player 11 with files nor DVDs. I can get 5.1 with PowerDVD with DVDs only but not files.
With the 6-Channel Direct cable everything works well, but I would have liked to use the S/PDIF cable I bought specidically for this rig. Any help?

you only have 2 channel audio sources, so its not going to work 5.1 - windows media player also sucks.

[DanishDevil]

You should be able to just set it to PLII Music...I can with Coax. Not sure about Optical, though.

[Mussels]

optical and coax work exactly the same - i think he was talking about 5.1 as the unit reports it, it would be telling him he's ony getting 2.0 audio

[DanishDevil]

Gotcha. Yeah these speakers aren't going to turn MP3s into true 5.1 sources, but PLII Music works nicely to remedy that ;)

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Sorry for the confusion, the pics I posted are not related to my problem. That pic of the display is reflecting a Audio CD at a 88.2kHz sample rate. I don't know why it says 96kHz connected by TOSlink.

Anyway as for my problem, my unit says Input: Coax and Effect:Stereo when the source is a 5.1 DVD and a Divx file with 5.1. I only get it to DDigital when playing a DVD through PowerDVD. But not with Windows Media Player 11. And agian this is with the coax connection. With the 6-Channel direct everything is great.

[Mussels]

Sorry for the confusion, the pics I posted are not related to my problem. That pic of the display is reflecting a Audio CD at a 88.2kHz sample rate. I don't know why it says 96kHz connected by TOSlink.

Anyway as for my problem, my unit says Input: Coax and Effect:Stereo when the source is a 5.1 DVD and a Divx file with 5.1. I only get it to DDigital when playing a DVD through PowerDVD. But not with Windows Media Player 11.

because media player doesnt support it. thats why i call it a crap player.

Remember digital audio (optical and coax) are ONLY 2.0 - you need pre-encoded data to get 5.1. you also need the SPEAKERS to decode it. If your software changes it to 5.1, it WILL NOT come out the speakers if they're decoding it. You will need SPDIF passthrough to get that working (an option that powrDVD definatly supports)

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Ok I got you. But heres what I don't get, the divx file I have has 5.1 AC3 audio. Played from my PS3 -> Optical it is definetly 5.1 (not PL II) but when the same file is on my computer it is only stereo with Coax and 5.1 with 6 channel. Why is this?

[Mussels]

because your software is decoding it, for use over analogue.

You would need it to work via PASSTHROUGH, often called SPDIF - whatever codec is controlling this on your PC, needs to be setup to use passthrough so that the speakers, and not the PC, is decoding it.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Ok I've figured it out. Dolby Decoder was not enabled in my ffdshow settings and PowerDVD can only be used for DVD and file playback. Thanks. :o

[Mussels]

well there you go. glad that its fixed.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

So how many of you use Pro logic II for Music? It does'nt sound as well as I would have liked. Its too simular to StereoX2. How loud should my surround speaker be? I currently have them on 6/9 is'nt that loud enough?

[Mussels]

PL II music isnt just stereo x2, it focuses the sound more to the front. Of course its similar to stereo x2, if you want better, get better quality music/ 5.1 music to begin with.

Volume depends entirely on you. set it as loud as you want it.

[Rabbit 123]

Hey, i got these bad boys about a month ago and there amazing, but recently i got a 42" plasma and ive had to keep swapping when i use my TV and when im on my PC ( for the speakers)
and they have died, im quessing its the fuse in the subwoofer, ive looked all over and can not find the fuse i need, i live in the UK if that helps, i know its a 2a slow blow fuse, but they are all different sizes, if anyone can post a link to the one i need, that would be of great help.

i want sound :banghead::banghead: lol


Thanks :rockout:

[Black Panther]

but they are all different sizes, if anyone can post a link to the one i need, that would be of great help.



When my fuse blew out I removed it from the sub, and carried it with me in my pocket till I found one which was the same size. I think that way you surely can't go wrong on the size.
I purchased 10 fuses... and it hasn't blown out since!

Be careful in removing the old fuse so that you don't break the fuse-holder...

Edit: here's the size-- 2 Amp (T2H) 20mm x 5mm slow blow.

Btw, some Z5500 have the fuse 4 Amp instead of 2 Amp. Check what yours is.

[gerrynicol]

Edit: here's the size-- 2 Amp (T2H) 20mm x 5mm slow blow.
Btw, some Z5500 have the fuse 4 Amp instead of 2 Amp. Check what yours is.

FYI, P10 on this thread:

P=IV 440W=4A*110V

and 500W=2A*250V

so you only need the 4 amp fuse if you are running 110V.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

About Surround Delay. Now I know there should be some delay when watching movies, but what about music? Under what circumstances would someone use the delay?

2. And should there be a center channel with instrumental music?

[Mussels]

About Surround Delay. Now I know there should be some delay when watching movies, but what about music? Under what circumstances would someone use the delay?

2. And should there be a center channel with instrumental music?

if its only a 2.0 source, and you use upmixing i dont know about a center channel. listen and see!

Surround delay can sound better, thats all. try with it and see if you like it.

[DanishDevil]

There is a formula somewhere...you're supposed to calculate the delay in milliseconds according to how far away your speakers are from your head. You use the speed of sound, I'm pretty sure...at least that would make sense.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

There is a formula somewhere...you're supposed to calculate the delay in milliseconds according to how far away your speakers are from your head. You use the speed of sound, I'm pretty sure...at least that would make sense.

Right I know there are more proper procedures based on acoustical science rather than "Listen and see if you like it!". The more sophisticated receivers come with speacial microphones that help tune the surround properly.

[DanishDevil]

That's intense! Honestly, this thing has as many inputs and outputs and setting tweaks as our ONKYO receiver downstairs. These speakers rock :rockout:

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Yes they indeed Rock! I just wish I understood how to use them to thier fullest potential.

[Master_of_Time]

Hey, I'm really sorry that I didn't write in the club for a while, but I was busy with my girlfriend - going out and doing 'other' things... I'm really happy that my dad doesn't know about the 'other' things we do... :D And btw - she likes the speakers a lot too.

[DanishDevil]

Lmao, use the speakers while you do those 'other' things to get a good groove going ;)

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Hey I noticed when I connect my 80GB Zune to the line-in of the receiver, I get a 96--24 displayed on the screen. Is the Z-5500 upscaling the audio? The files being played are WMA Lossless 44.1 16-bit.

[DanishDevil]

It's actually a bug. You're on the second skin aren't you?

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

No I'm on the one thats the default, with the red light.

[Mussels]

i geti t too, it just says 96/24 over analogue, regardless of second skin (which i do use)

[DanishDevil]

I think it's a bug. It's discussed in this thread somewhere...

[Master_of_Time]

Nah, I can't really use the speakers to get her in the right mood - mu collection of over 1,8TB of death metal might be impressive to some of my friends, but she's not exactly into this kind of music, as you can imagine. :D About the 96/24 bug - I get that on an MP3 player, CD player and everything thats analog. So it must be a factory bug. :confused:

[DanishDevil]

Yeah it's a bug. Don't worry about it.

And yeah, death metal would only turn on a select group of girls...and I'm not so sure I'd want to date anyone turned on by death metal...:roll:

[Master_of_Time]

Yeah, I wouldn't date a girl who is turned on by death metal too... Most of 'em are like zombies... :roll: But anyway, we haven't had any arguments about music so far and we don't really care about music when we're getting on... :D

[Mussels]

I'm not so sure I'd want to date anyone turned on by death metal...:roll:

you just hurt Masters feelings now, you know he had a secret crush on you :P

[Master_of_Time]

Don't worry Mussels - I'm already occupied. Well, she's not a hardware/mod maniac, but I guess I'll have to live with that. :laugh:

[twicksisted]

About the 96/24 bug - I get that on an MP3 player, CD player and everything thats analog. So it must be a factory bug. :confused:

i dont think its a bug.... its because internally the DSp's of the headunit work at 24bit 96khz resolution no matter what the analogue source

[hayder.master]

i have a creative 5.1

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

i dont think its a bug.... its because internally the DSp's of the headunit work at 24bit 96khz resolution no matter what the analogue source

Where did you learn that the unit works 96kHz-24-bit at all times?
If that where true should'nt all the inputs display 96-24?

Logitech support claimed that it is not supposed to happen.

[DanishDevil]

I'm just his fantasy ;)

:roll:

[Master_of_Time]

Nah. Sorry, DD, but you don't seem to be a Skulltrail platform so you're not my fantasy. :D

[Mussels]

Nah. Sorry, DD, but you don't seem to be a Skulltrail platform so you're not my fantasy. :D

lol your fantasy needs two sockets.

[DanishDevil]

Sorry Master_of_Time. I'm a one socket man. :roll:

BTW, coming soon, my impressions of the Z-5500s on an Auzentech X-Fi Prelude!

[Mussels]

lol i just realised on the first page of this thread, my details are wrong.

# Mussels
Devices: Auzentech X-Fi Prelude Optical, Wii, Xbox, PS2, MP3 Player
Speaker Info: Firmware v2.1.0, M/N: S-0115B, PID: R750, No Boost 22
Favorite Media: -

Should be/updated to
# Mussels
Devices: Auzentech X-mystique Coax, HDTV Optical, Wii, Xbox, PS2, MP3 Player
Speaker Info: Firmware v2.1.0, M/N: S-0115B, PID: R750, Boost 22
Favorite Media: - anime! (in 5.1 :D )


i *DO!* have boost 22! it only works on ANALOGUE. it does NOT work on optical or coax.

[DanishDevil]

Updated Mussels.

What is the Creative equivalent of the X-Mystique?

[Mussels]

Updated Mussels.

What is the Creative equivalent of the X-Mystique?

dont think they have one.

The X-mystique was the first of the auzens to have a dolby digital encoder - the X-plosion came after with DTS, and then came the later models everyone knows.

Audio quality wise, its the same as my audigy 4, clearer mid/high but with less punchy bass (mostly because the A4 has a slider for bass boost and this doesnt - irrelevant with these speakers however, since i can just turn the sub volume up)

I would seriously like people who say boost 22 doesnt work, to test them over analogue - i was suprised when it worked all of a sudden after noticing all the people on page 1 who claimed it worked, were on analogue

[DanishDevil]

I just tried it right after I read your post. No go for me :(

[Mussels]

I just tried it right after I read your post. No go for me :(

my exact settings are:

analogue (6 channel, not 3xstereo)
turn volume to minimum.
Turn volume up slowly til it hits boost 11
hit mute and hold it as you turn it up.

Note: i did this with the head unit and not the remote.

Now as a real biatch... my unit is stuck and says 'volume 11' when on analogue, and boost 22 no longer works. i think boost 11 is stuck on.


edit: NOW i get it.

Hold down mute BEFORE moving the volume knob. What happens is you can toggle boost 11 on any setting you want, and it STICKS. if you are on boost 11 when you acvitate this, it allows you to go to boost 22.

[DanishDevil]

I already have the +11 set for analog sources, but when that's enabled, I get no boost. It ends at a full bar at volume +11. I'm gonna try on the factory skin...

[Mussels]

I already have the +11 set for analog sources, but when that's enabled, I get no boost. It ends at a full bar at volume +11. I'm gonna try on the factory skin...

Follow these steps.

Lower volume to 0 (disable the +11 feature)
turn the knob to max
Turn the volume up more to boost 11
Hold down mute and turn it more

The key is that +11 and BOOST 11 are shown differently - if you hold mute BEFORE you hit boost 11, boost 22 does not work. If you have +11 enabled, hold mute and dial the volume down to its at normal again, before trying boost 22.

[DanishDevil]

I DID IT YAY!!!!!!!
<3 Mussels!

I think it might only work on the first skin for me...

[twicksisted]

Where did you learn that the unit works 96kHz-24-bit at all times?
If that where true should'nt all the inputs display 96-24?

Logitech support claimed that it is not supposed to happen.

Well I have a lot of different pieces of studio kit at home... a lot of my effects processors have DSP chips inside that work at 24/96... this is what they operate at digitally no matter the fact that the imput is analogue audio.

The AD convertor takes the analogue source and sends it to the DSP's which operate digitally at 24/96... and this could be why it displays 24/96 on an analogue source.

[Mussels]

more or less, its just saying 24/96 because analogue cant specify what bitrates it runs at. The internals run at max just in case, and they're displaying it as a bug.

[Zeos]

Hi, and thanx for all the info found here.

1. PC analog and optic.
2. 2.0.9
3. S-0115B
4. R640
5. speaker wire
6. Boost 22.
7. -

Bought them about 15 months ago for about 500$ (I'm from Romania).
I use the integrated sound card. Now i use the digital connexion for music, coz after i bought a new system i have really bad interference on analog.
I use analog for games and movies (5.1) coz without a sound card that would do the conversions for me would be troublesome.

I have the R640 pid, but no pops here. Everything works fine.
The volume does change when i change skin as other posters noticed, but the max volume is the same. In this alt skin the volume increases .. exponentially or something (instead of linearly).

What else? ... Same 96/24 thing on analog. I use the second skin atm. Happy user :).

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Follow these steps.

Lower volume to 0 (disable the +11 feature)
turn the knob to max
Turn the volume up more to boost 11
Hold down mute and turn it more

The key is that +11 and BOOST 11 are shown differently - if you hold mute BEFORE you hit boost 11, boost 22 does not work. If you have +11 enabled, hold mute and dial the volume down to its at normal again, before trying boost 22.

Darn it still does'nt work for me.

[Mussels]

Darn it still does'nt work for me.

when on a normal volume, can you enable the +11 feature? (note that its NOT boost 11) you achieve it by holding mute (on the head unit) and turning the volume dial up.

Boost 22 is achieved by being on boost 11, and then activating +11 - i have a feeling those that cant get boost 22, dont have the +11 feature.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Yes I can get Boost 11 and +11. I'm going into boost 11 and then holding mute I turn the knob further. But nothing changes. I'm using firmware 2.1.0 I think.
Its no big deal I guess, I mean why would someone want to blast out thier Z-5500 anyway. :cool:

There is one thing I'd like to mention. My unit started doing some wierd things yesterday and the day before. Once it got stuck in Detecting... the signal. Then once it displayed "No Digital Data" even though there still was sound. Then later it got stuck in Pro logic II mode, even when changing to Stereo. Power cycling the unit fixed these problems, but I was just wondering if anyone else ever experienced these glitches?

[Mussels]

Yes I can get Boost 11 and +11. I'm going into boost 11 and then holding mute I turn the knob further. But nothing changes. I'm using firmware 2.1.0 I think.
Its no big deal I guess, I mean why would someone want to blast out thier Z-5500 anyway. :cool:

There is one thing I'd like to mention. My unit started doing some wierd things yesterday and the day before. Once it got stuck in Detecting... the signal. Then once it displayed "No Digital Data" even though there still was sound. Then later it got stuck in Pro logic II mode, even when changing to Stereo. Power cycling the unit fixed these problems, but I was just wondering if anyone else ever experienced these glitches?

boost 22 only works on analogue, btw.

My unit gets stuck on coax using my auzentech - what i see happening is that befcause the soundcard is making streams as it goes, while the unit expects constant non-stop audio, small hitches occur... fast swaps between sound and no sound (such as playing crappy flash animation games, and the pauses between levels) seem to confuse the unit sometimes.

[DanishDevil]

I've finally got my Auzentech X-Fi Prelude up and running, and I can already tell the difference between it and my X-Fi Fatal1ty Champion in music. Time to try out some games and movies :D

BTW - Any way to set that green LED to stop blinking? :banghead:

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

boost 22 only works on analogue, btw.


:laugh: Well thats it! I totally missed that point. Now I have Boost 22.:roll:
I wonder what the +11 is? Boost mode is in the manual, but not the +11.

[DanishDevil]

It's an analog volume offset. If you haven't noticed, digital (coax/optical) is always louder than analog, so the +11 or whatever you set it to makes it so you don't have to worry about huge volume changes when switching sources.

[Mussels]

I've finally got my Auzentech X-Fi Prelude up and running, and I can already tell the difference between it and my X-Fi Fatal1ty Champion in music. Time to try out some games and movies :D

BTW - Any way to set that green LED to stop blinking? :banghead:

what green LED?

at least i fixed everyones boost 22 :D

[DanishDevil]

On the Prelude.

[Mussels]

On the Prelude.

no idea sorry, just tape over them.

[DanishDevil]

OH that's right you have the X-Mystique. I keep thinking you've got the prelude :banghead:

[asb2106]

what green LED?

at least i fixed everyones boost 22 :D

I still do not have boost 22 when using analog, any ideas?

[DanishDevil]

You used his process? If you still can't get it, then you might just not have the capability.

[Mussels]

I still do not have boost 22 when using analog, any ideas?

assuming you have +11 capability, make sure its off before you start. also make sure you only use the headunit and not the remote when doing it.

[asb2106]

Ive tried everything mentioned, no go.

But honestly, Im not concerned, with Boost 11 these are impossible to listen to(not to mention what the neighbors think). There is no need even for the noise this puts out at boost 11. I have my EQ setup just right on my audio out, and the headunit tuned just right, I never really go over full volume, sometimes boost 2 or 3. I have a good ear for distortion and when you get into boost, it gets pretty easy to hear.


Man, 3 years old, and I still love my z5500.

Edit** I do have +11, and I do not use the remote, after the batteries died I never replaced them.

And can boost 22 only be done on analog? I have tried it in every possible config, with nothing. Just wondering, cause I only really use the Coax & Optical inputs

[twicksisted]

man... i just got another HD2900... and now i had to take out my Asus Xonar D2X!!!!!
will be sorely missed... but to be honest i am using optical from the onboard sound on my asus MB and it sounds fine ;)

the motherboard I have I need to use the PCI-E X16 slot for that soundcard as all the other PCIX1 slots dont fit it becuiase of my 4GB ram

anyone in SE england want to buy an Asus xonar D2X... its about a month old and perfect condition with box! :P

[Mussels]

Ive tried everything mentioned, no go.

But honestly, Im not concerned, with Boost 11 these are impossible to listen to(not to mention what the neighbors think). There is no need even for the noise this puts out at boost 11. I have my EQ setup just right on my audio out, and the headunit tuned just right, I never really go over full volume, sometimes boost 2 or 3. I have a good ear for distortion and when you get into boost, it gets pretty easy to hear.


Man, 3 years old, and I still love my z5500.

Edit** I do have +11, and I do not use the remote, after the batteries died I never replaced them.

And can boost 22 only be done on analog? I have tried it in every possible config, with nothing. Just wondering, cause I only really use the Coax & Optical inputs

yeah its analogue only. i use coax too, so i dont use boost either.

[freaksavior]

man... i just got another HD2900... and now i had to take out my Asus Xonar D2X!!!!!
will be sorely missed... but to be honest i am using optical from the onboard sound on my asus MB and it sounds fine ;)

the motherboard I have I need to use the PCI-E X16 slot for that soundcard as all the other PCIX1 slots dont fit it becuiase of my 4GB ram

anyone in SE england want to buy an Asus xonar D2X... its about a month old and perfect condition with box! :P

i would buy it. but depends if the price is right and you would ship to the us

[twicksisted]

nope... ill probably hold onto it as i was to get another mobo soon that i can crossfire & use the pci soundcard hehe...
going back to onboard sucks :P

[freaksavior]

nope... ill probably hold onto it as i was to get another mobo soon that i can crossfire & use the pci soundcard hehe...
going back to onboard sucks :P

i bought a xonar d2 (same as the d2x) anyway from Xazax

cant wait to get it

[Mussels]

i bought a xonar d2 (same as the d2x) anyway from Xazax

cant wait to get it

i'm going for the one with the HDMI audio :D i'll get it one day...

[freaksavior]

http://sinan.ussakli.net/basstest/

Check that out guys.

[MrHydes]

well my question is the following:

Z5500 has Cirus logic chip, in digital mode does it send signal at 24 bits or is it

losy and only gives 16bits?

i have Z5500 and SB X-FI xtremegamer Falatal1ty in a Asus rampage formula

what do you recomend for best audio experience analog or digital?

cheers

[twicksisted]

well my question is the following:

Z5500 has Cirus logic chip, in digital mode does it send signal at 24 bits or is it

losy and only gives 16bits?

i have Z5500 and SB X-FI xtremegamer Falatal1ty in a Asus rampage formula

what do you recomend for best audio experience analog or digital?

cheers

well to be perfectly honest im not 100% sure of the signal path...

i am pretty sure that they diddnt send 24bit audio to the speakers or convert 24bit audio down to 16bit before going to analogue and the to the speakers. that would be doubling the work and messing with the quality.
if it did it would go something like this 24bit D > down to 16bit D > from 16bit A > to the speakers....

doubt very much it would do this when the easiers and less lossy route would be 24bit D> analogue amps to speakers

Remember that the connection from the headunit/amp to the speakers is analogue, so in all probability, it converts from 24bit digital straight to analogue befopre reaching the speakers.

even an analogue signals appear to be processed with 24bit 96K digital internally... but thats just the resolution that the headunit works at (which some people insist on calling a bug)

also... i dont really see the significance as to be honest for a pair of £200 speakers, you will be very hard pressed to find any fault with them for what they are.... and youll need serious audiophile eardrums to find and fault... what you wikll hear with normal eardrums is serious SPL's (sound pressure levels) in most normal to large rooms for very little money!

;)

for best audio experience... i would say optical digital... that way you dont have to use the headuint to tune the sound... the soundcard will work on the signal its fed and react to it... be it dolby or DTS.... you wont have to touch anything except volume... having said that, this works perfectly for me on my Asus D2X soundcard, and I havent used the Xfi on optical through this card.

[MrHydes]

well to be perfectly honest im not 100% sure of the signal path...

i am pretty sure that they diddnt send 24bit audio to the speakers or convert 24bit audio down to 16bit before going to analogue and the to the speakers. that would be doubling the work and messing with the quality.
if it did it would go something like this 24bit D > down to 16bit D > from 16bit A > to the speakers....

doubt very much it would do this when the easiers and less lossy route would be 24bit D> analogue amps to speakers

Remember that the connection from the headunit/amp to the speakers is analogue, so in all probability, it converts from 24bit digital straight to analogue befopre reaching the speakers.

even an analogue signals appear to be processed with 24bit 96K digital internally... but thats just the resolution that the headunit works at (which some people insist on calling a bug)

also... i dont really see the significance as to be honest for a pair of £200 speakers, you will be very hard pressed to find any fault with them for what they are.... and youll need serious audiophile eardrums to find and fault... what you wikll hear with normal eardrums is serious SPL's (sound pressure levels) in most normal to large rooms for very little money!

;)

for best audio experience... i would say optical digital... that way you dont have to use the headuint to tune the sound... the soundcard will work on the signal its fed and react to it... be it dolby or DTS.... you wont have to touch anything except volume... having said that, this works perfectly for me on my Asus D2X soundcard, and I havent used the Xfi on optical through this card.



Inside the SoundTouch™ Control Center lies a Cirrus CS494003 32-bit DSP to handle both Dolby® Digital and DTS® bitstreams including DTS® 96/24 data for unsupassed sound quality. A Cirrus CS42526 data conversion chip is used to move signals between the analog and digital domains. The CS42526 contains an amazing number of high-quality converters including six 24-bit DACs and two 24-bit ADCs. (http://www.laaudiofile.com/z5500.html)



review: laaudiofile (http://www.laaudiofile.com/z5500.html)

looks like i'm wrong... six 24-bit DACs and two 24-bit ADCs

[Master_of_Time]

Jesus freakin' Christ... My girlfriend has gone mad! I just don't even have time to terrorize the neighbors with some death/black metal any more... It's all about "let's go out/sex; let's go see a movie/sex" or just straight to the point. Not that I'm complaining or something :D , but why the f**k did I throw 400$ on speakers when all I can hear most of the time is: "yes! yes!" God damn it! :laugh: About the Boost 22: i can go Boost 11 and then go to Boost 22 with the mute button, or I can go mute button firs and the turning the silver whatever-it-is so it the volume is at Boost 22. (PID: R734; Firmware: v2.1.0) But WHY would you want to have Boost 22??? It's hell on Earth! :D :rockout: I tried once and that's a "once in a lifetime" expirience for me... I advice you don't try this unless your room is 40x40m. ::laugh:

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

But WHY would you want to have Boost 22??? It's hell on Earth! :D :rockout: I tried once and that's a "once in a lifetime" expirience for me... I advice you don't try this unless your room is 40x40m. ::laugh:

Well the manual states that Boost mode is for source manterial that is recorded at abnormally low levels.

[twicksisted]

boost is kinda like the "gain" function on a mixer... its just increases the gain of the input ... or the level the preamp sends the material to the main amplifier.
In most probability, it will have some sort of protection built in that it will only operate if the input signal is not high and clipping which is why most people cant reach it.

[Master_of_Time]

I know it's for media that has a weak signal, but the thing that confuses me is that whatever media I play on the speakers it's the same - I can go to Boost 22 and there are no restrictions? So maybe different firmware - different capability? That's how I see it, but anyway - what media would be so badly recorded so that you would need Boost 22 to hear it properly? I think that the Boost 22 option is for "you blew up your speaker - no warranty, go buy another set or fu** yourself". That happened to a friend... :shadedshu:

[Mussels]

I know it's for media that has a weak signal, but the thing that confuses me is that whatever media I play on the speakers it's the same - I can go to Boost 22 and there are no restrictions? So maybe different firmware - different capability? That's how I see it, but anyway - what media would be so badly recorded so that you would need Boost 22 to hear it properly? I think that the Boost 22 option is for "you blew up your speaker - no warranty, go buy another set or fu** yourself". That happened to a friend... :shadedshu:

its a hidden option, that was probably just a stock feature of the unit. remember that logitech bought several different units and combined them together for this set. Its probabl just leftover, so they hid it rather than disable it completely.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

its a hidden option, that was probably just a stock feature of the unit. remember that logitech bought several different units and combined them together for this set. Its probabl just leftover, so they hid it rather than disable it completely.

They did'nt hide it, its stated in the manual. Page 9.

[Mussels]

They did'nt hide it, its stated in the manual. Page 9.

well its harder to use than simply pressing a button.

also... i never read the manual :( my bad.

[Master_of_Time]

Who needs manuals anyway? :laugh: And if you need a manual - everything can be found on PDF on every manufacturer site.

[DanishDevil]

well its harder to use than simply pressing a button.

also... i never read the manual :( my bad.

:slap: Didn't your mother ever teach you to read the manual? :shadedshu

[Mussels]

:slap: Didn't your mother ever teach you to read the manual? :shadedshu

my mother believes in percussive maintenance - whack it til it works.

it only took me 4 months to teach her how to send chat messages in skype...

[DanishDevil]

my mother believes in percussive maintenance - whack it til it works.

it only took me 4 months to teach her how to send chat messages in skype...

That's what I'm trying to do to you! :slap:

:laugh:

[Mussels]

That's what I'm trying to do to you! :slap:

:laugh:

whack me? or skype me?

[DanishDevil]

:slap:

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Hey guys, got another question here.
Um I'm planning on buying a hi fi, CD player to hook up to my Z-5500. And the CD players I've been looking at have 192Khz 24-bit audio output. Will the Z-5500 be able to handle something like that? I know they can output 96Khz 24-bit audio, so I don't know what happens if they receive something higher, can it downsample?

[Mussels]

Hey guys, got another question here.
Um I'm planning on buying a hi fi, CD player to hook up to my Z-5500. And the CD players I've been looking at have 192Khz 24-bit audio output. Will the Z-5500 be able to handle something like that? I know they can output 96Khz 24-bit audio, so I don't know what happens if they receive something higher, can it downsample?

yeah it'd downsample, to my knowledge.

[hbkl]

hello this is a great forum can you add me to the z-5500 owners list i need to get up a pic ?

[Mussels]

hello this is a great forum can you add me to the z-5500 owners list i need to get up a pic ?

fill out your system specs first (its something of a rule around here) and then yeah give us a pic - if you check the first post of this thread there are a list of details we'd like you to give, about your speakers.

[MrHydes]

any where ever runned Rightmark Audio analyser?

[DanishDevil]

Link?

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

I hear alot of people talk about upgrading the speaker wires to the Z-5500. Some people didn't even try the included ones. Other than cable length is there any reason for doing this?

[Mussels]

I hear alot of people talk about upgrading the speaker wires to the Z-5500. Some people didn't even try the included ones. Other than cable length is there any reason for doing this?

none that i can think of. The included ones are quite decent quality.

[DanishDevil]

People just see the wires that come with it and go "Oh, those look a lot worse than the $100 roll of monster cables at Circuit City...I better upgrade!"

[Mussels]

People just see the wires that come with it and go "Oh, those look a lot worse than the $100 roll of monster cables at Circuit City...I better upgrade!"

the only wire i'd upgrade, is the coax one i use. cause its 5 years old and used to connect my VCR to my TV :D

sounds just fine tho... digital doesnt change much based on cable type.

[DanishDevil]

I just got a new one with my Auzen. I think it's kinda proprietary. It comes with adapters (because the sound card has Coax and Optical in one) so I hope it's good quality lmao.

[TheGuruStud]

I got me dis new fangled Z5500 doo dad electro thingy ma bob. Now, I can crank ma country tunes and shows dem city folk whose boss.


:cool:

[DanishDevil]

Fill out the requested information on the first page please :D

[asb2106]

I hear alot of people talk about upgrading the speaker wires to the Z-5500. Some people didn't even try the included ones. Other than cable length is there any reason for doing this?

There is very little need to upgrade the wire, if your area doesnt have that much interference, no worries, my speaker wires run right next to my UPS and main power center, and it can cause feedback. So I upgraded all the wire to monster.

I would have done it anyways, I guess I just like Monster alot. Oh and for people that worry about price with Monster Cable, go to WALMART! Walmart had 50 foot rolls for 20 bucks last time I was there. It is 16Gauge shielded speaker wire. Thats pretty darn good stuff for 2.5 feet per dollar!

But if you do not experience any issues now, it will not sound any better, or get any louder with better speaker wire.

**

I have a question now, I have a problem with a static/scratchy noise.

This is from the Digital COAX from my 2nd Computer to my Logitech, when it happens it totally random, but if Im playing music for a few hours(sometimes minutes) the audio gets drowned out by static. I have found a way to fix it, if I disable the COAX out through the sound options, enable headphones, then re-enable COAX the static goes away and it works fine.

Oh and if this matters, I have a ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA motherboard - it deserves caps because it rocks that hard. Had it since the day it was released, and couldnt be happier!

[twicksisted]

I have a question now, I have a problem with a static/scratchy noise.

This is from the Digital COAX from my 2nd Computer to my Logitech, when it happens it totally random, but if Im playing music for a few hours(sometimes minutes) the audio gets drowned out by static. I have found a way to fix it, if I disable the COAX out through the sound options, enable headphones, then re-enable COAX the static goes away and it works fine.

The only reason I can think this is happening is if you are playing music really loudly and the mosfets in the amp are getting too hot.

you say that you disable and re-enable the co-ax... and it gets better... perhaps the time it takes to do this just cools it down ernough to play fine.

Ive had similar situations playing really loud music at parties with large amps and similar things happening... and the only solution is more cooling.

[TheGuruStud]

The only reason I can think this is happening is if you are playing music really loudly and the mosfets in the amp are getting too hot.

you say that you disable and re-enable the co-ax... and it gets better... perhaps the time it takes to do this just cools it down ernough to play fine.

Ive had similar situations playing really loud music at parties with large amps and similar things happening... and the only solution is more cooling.

That would be BRUTAL on his ears to overheat it :cool:

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Hey does anyknow if you can replace the speakers on the Z-5500?

Say for example I replaced them with something like these?

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665191300

[neo1231]

Lol, I got my Z-5500 for $139.


http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w47/michaelrvb/DSC04048.jpg

You can't see it too well. The lamp is on top of the subwoofer.

i have that exact same monitor and keyboard as you!

[allen337]

dell selling them for $180 shipped ~~ http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A0405790&cs=19&c=us&l=en&dgc=CJ&cid=24471&lid=566643 .

[DanishDevil]

Steal!

[DanishDevil]

Hey does anyknow if you can replace the speakers on the Z-5500?

Say for example I replaced them with something like these?

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665191300

Not sure. The wattage would be different I'm sure. Why would you want to replace them? They sound so great already!

[twicksisted]

Not sure. The wattage would be different I'm sure. Why would you want to replace them? They sound so great already!

Hmmm... i wouldnt replace them to be honest as they are perfectly matched to the rest of the system. If you did replace them just make sure that they have the same resistance (4ohms / 8ohms etc...) and the same power requirements.

If the speakers are rated higher or lower it will cause problems... and to be honest i dont think that the actually take that much juice atall... they in all probability get fed with just treble & mid... no bass as the sub handles that.

Also, i havent opened mine up so im not sure but chances are that becuase the sattelites are not full range speakers, the amp only sends mid & treble to them (through a crossover of some sort). If the crossover is inside each sattelite speaker, then it will be fine. But if the crossover is in the sub / amp box, then any signal to the sattelites will only have mid/treble and putting full range speakers onto it will be pointless. They probably have a crossover in the amp stage as it is cheaper than having 5 crossovers in each speaker seperately and saves power rather than having a bigger signal get filtered out at the speaker stage... the extra power going to the sub etc...

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Well the specs to the speakers are here, I'm not sure what to look for. The sats on the Z-5500 are 61W each, and both of these Sony speakers are 120W total so I assume they are 60W each.
They are are 8 Ohms. I don't know about a cross over is that regarding a frequency respones?


Speaker
Frequency Response : 50 - 50,000 Hz

Impedance : 8 Ohms

Mid Range Size(s) : 3" (8 cm)

Power Requirements : 120W

Quantity of Tweeters : 1

Quantity of Woofer(s) : 1

Sensitivity : 88 dB

Speaker Terminal Type : Push Type

Tweeter Size : 1" (2.5 cm)

Woofer Size(s) : 8" (20 cm)

Audio Features
Bass Driver(s) : Yes (Enhanced H.O.P. Cone)

Nano Fine® Balanced Dome Tweeter : Yes


Audio
Frequency Range : up to 50 kHz

[Mussels]

what the others are saying is true however, slapping speakers with a higher range of freqs in wont do anything if the bass is already filtered away to the subs. its possible it'd sound worse, in fact.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Well I was looking at a couple of other forums and I saw two people that did swap the speakers, one with the Sony Speakers I mentioned and another with some floor standing speakers by Polk.
Both of them said that it made a noticible difference with highs and gave extra clarity to the music, but lacked in the low~mids because of the 150Hz crossover in the logitech system. Upgrading to better speakers does make some difference, but not enough to be practical I guess.

[Mussels]

having a 'problem' - lately the display on my head unit has started flickering. It rarely happens when no audio is playing and i see it most over coax, the easiest way to describe it is that the brightness of the display is flickering.

has anyone else seen this, or knows what to do about it?

P.S - the audio doesnt change or stutter, its merely the brightness of the LCD on the display.

[DanishDevil]

Hasn't happened on mine. Maybe one of the fuses is going bad? (mere shot in the dark as I have NO idea what it could be)

[Mussels]

Hasn't happened on mine. Maybe one of the fuses is going bad? (mere shot in the dark as I have NO idea what it could be)

its strange as its purely the lighting on the backlight and seems unrelated to speaker quality or volume.

Is there a replaceable fuse in the headunit?

[DanishDevil]

I think there are two in the subwoofer. They were talked about on this thread...

[DanishDevil]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=779427&postcount=228

There on...

[Mussels]

I think there are two in the subwoofer. They were talked about on this thread...

i definately recall one being mentioned, i didnt realise there was two.

Does anyone know which fuse controls the headunit? Its the closest thing to a lead i have right now, and RMA'ing these behemoths would be... unpleasant.

[DanishDevil]

Blech. VERY unpleasant. Have to tossed Logitech an email yet? It wouldn't hurt.

[Mussels]

Blech. VERY unpleasant. Have to tossed Logitech an email yet? It wouldn't hurt.

i just did. man they want a lot of info before you can email them.

[DanishDevil]

Really? Weird. I hate when companies do that. They should just list an email address and a phone number. That's it. No bullshit "Please fill out this form and we will contact you whenever the fuck we feel like it." :banghead:

[Mussels]

Really? Weird. I hate when companies do that. They should just list an email address and a phone number. That's it. No bullshit "Please fill out this form and we will contact you whenever the fuck we feel like it." :banghead:

serial numbers, product ID, firmware revision... operating system.. .drivers... yeah a littles irrelevant in my case. i'm not sure how an OS and driver revision would affect me if the speakers were connected to a set top box, for example.

[DanishDevil]

HAHA seriously. I dunno man. Hopefully they'll be helpful.

[driftdamage]

A question that hopefully someone on here may be able to answer. I've had a set of z-5500s for about 1 1/2 years now and came across the secrets by chance, it seems that 2nd skin and display firmware doesn't work. Have tried pushing the buttons all at the same time, after powering it off at the sub and back on etc etc, nothing seems to work. Diagnostic mode works as does boost 11 and 12 and also the analog signal boost. Any tips to try get the 2nd skin and firmware display working?
You can put me down as an owner as well :toast:
Names Patrick
Device currently is integrated via analog
Speaker info: firmware not known just yet. PID: R625, Boost goes all the way to 22
Fav media: Metal, epic movies and games with explosions so the bass from these speakers can rattle my insides :rockout:

[Mussels]

A question that hopefully someone on here may be able to answer. I've had a set of z-5500s for about 1 1/2 years now and came across the secrets by chance, it seems that 2nd skin and display firmware doesn't work. Have tried pushing the buttons all at the same time, after powering it off at the sub and back on etc etc, nothing seems to work. Diagnostic mode works as does boost 11 and 12 and also the analog signal boost. Any tips to try get the 2nd skin and firmware display working?
You can put me down as an owner as well :toast:
Names Patrick
Device currently is integrated via analog
Speaker info: firmware not known just yet. PID: R625, Boost goes all the way to 22
Fav media: Metal, epic movies and games with explosions so the bass from these speakers can rattle my insides :rockout:

make sure you do the 2nd skin etc from the headunit and not the remote. Other than that, i really dont know. maybe you have an older model which cant do it.

[driftdamage]

make sure you do the 2nd skin etc from the headunit and not the remote. Other than that, i really dont know. maybe you have an older model which cant do it.

well im just managed to confuse myself even further. I decided to hook up some digital signals, so ran coax from computer to headunit and listened for a while. Then turned off and tried second skin again and it worked. But now i can't get it to go back!! Hahah my speakers have a mind of their own! I managed to do the firmware check as well but it won't do that any longer either. I am pretty sure my firmware was 2.1.0

[Mussels]

well im just managed to confuse myself even further. I decided to hook up some digital signals, so ran coax from computer to headunit and listened for a while. Then turned off and tried second skin again and it worked. But now i can't get it to go back!! Hahah my speakers have a mind of their own! I managed to do the firmware check as well but it won't do that any longer either. I am pretty sure my firmware was 2.1.0

the backlight on mine has its own mind, it'll work for a few days, then stop working...


regardless of the head unit being posessed, they're awesome speakers arent they?

[driftdamage]

the backlight on mine has its own mind, it'll work for a few days, then stop working...


regardless of the head unit being posessed, they're awesome speakers arent they?

Certainly are. I got them october 2006 for 550NZD which was a pretty good price at the time. Lugged them home and upstairs and then proceeded to drool for hours over the pure size of the sub and the sound from the whole set. I don't go over 1/4 much anymore, but every time it impresses me. They are brutal up loud listening to a music dvd like sevendust, slayer, killswitch engage or something.

[JavadGul]

Hi I hope you guys having good time with your Z-5500 :rockout:, the thing is I got my Z-5500 three days ago, I was extremely excited till I tested them ...WHY...? After reading tons of, tons of +ve reviews I made an image of house shaking speakers but unfortunately they kind of disappointed me because they are not loud as they should.
At 100% volume they are not close to hurt my ears (even on boost 11), people said that 80% vol is so loud that it beat the crap out them, shake the roof etc.....Again they are loud but not THAT loud.
I don't have a fancy sound card (I've an AlienWare Aurora m9700 with built-in surround sound card).
Plz help me out I'm in such agony. :banghead:

[gerrynicol]

:( my centre speaker keeps falling off of my monitor, so I had to get something to keep it up there. I borrowed a couple of stick pads with clips on them from my work, it's been up there for two weeks now with no issues:)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/Gerrynicol/20072008040.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/Gerrynicol/20072008041.jpg

[Mussels]

Hi I hope you guys having good time with your Z-5500 :rockout:, the thing is I got my Z-5500 three days ago, I was extremely excited till I tested them ...WHY...? After reading tons of, tons of +ve reviews I made an image of house shaking speakers but unfortunately they kind of disappointed me because they are not loud as they should.
At 100% volume they are not close to hurt my ears (even on boost 11), people said that 80% vol is so loud that it beat the crap out them, shake the roof etc.....Again they are loud but not THAT loud.
I don't have a fancy sound card (I've an AlienWare Aurora m9700 with built-in surround sound card).
Plz help me out I'm in such agony. :banghead:

your source is the problem. most of us run digital.

If you want speakers that shake your house apart, these aint gunna cut it. the sub will cause quite a rumble and shake anything next to it, but they're speakers not jackhammers.

[DaedalusHelios]

Hi I hope you guys having good time with your Z-5500 :rockout:, the thing is I got my Z-5500 three days ago, I was extremely excited till I tested them ...WHY...? After reading tons of, tons of +ve reviews I made an image of house shaking speakers but unfortunately they kind of disappointed me because they are not loud as they should.
At 100% volume they are not close to hurt my ears (even on boost 11), people said that 80% vol is so loud that it beat the crap out them, shake the roof etc.....Again they are loud but not THAT loud.
I don't have a fancy sound card (I've an AlienWare Aurora m9700 with built-in surround sound card).
Plz help me out I'm in such agony. :banghead:

Fire a 50 caliber desert eagle next to your head a couple of times. That should be loud enough. Remember not to use ear protection. ;)

[Mussels]

Fire a 50 caliber desert eagle next to your head a couple of times. That should be loud enough. Remember not to use ear protection. ;)

if he does that, he'll become deafer than he already is.

[twicksisted]

possibly the volume control level on the soundcard or media software is not turned up properly.

[JavadGul]

OooHhh guys for the love of GOD don't hit me, I spent more than my entire week's pay to buy them, thats why I'm curios.
I checked every thing, every Hardware/Software setting but ....
The thing is my previous AltecLancing's 100 watt 2.1 speakers were less loud than these but come on I don't see 5 time more loudness... should I buy Optical Cable cuz I think my Alienware support Optical output...any other suggestion...!.

[TheGuruStud]

OooHhh guys for the love of GOD don't hit me, I spent more than my entire week's pay to buy them, thats why I'm curios.
I checked every thing, every Hardware/Software setting but ....
The thing is my previous AltecLancing's 100 watt 2.1 speakers were less loud than these but come on I don't see 5 time more loudness... should I buy Optical Cable cuz I think my Alienware support Optical output...any other suggestion...!.

Well, there's the whole problem.... :laugh:

and no wonder you're broke. :shadedshu

[Mussels]

lol 500 watts is 5x louder than 100W. heh, logic. it kills the best of us.
disregarding the whole confusing issues of the human ear and logarithmic vs. linear, did it occur that 100W with 2 speakers, and 500W with 5 speakers, the overall wattages might just be increased because theres *gasp* MORE SPEAKERS?


i'm sorry that my sarcasm is out in full force today.

[FatForester]

Well it looks like if the right deal comes along I'm gonna officially join you guys. My Z-5300's are starting to go on me... High's are great, low's are great, but the mid-range... not so much. If the right frequency comes along they'll start cracking. I thought it'd take these things longer than 2 1/2 years to start showing some age :ohwell:

lol 500 watts is 5x louder than 100W. heh, logic. it kills the best of us.
disregarding the whole confusing issues of the human ear and logarithmic vs. linear, did it occur that 100W with 2 speakers, and 500W with 5 speakers, the overall wattages might just be increased because theres *gasp* MORE SPEAKERS?


i'm sorry that my sarcasm is out in full force today.

:roll: That logic and science mumbo jumbo... it'll get ya.

[gopala33]

i bought 25June 2008 new Logitech Z-5500 Retail box
i use XBOX 360 RCA av cable like red and white cable convert jack one green connected
i tested PC 6ch direct 3 cables also same sounds i checked my system firmware 2.1.0 new got aslo boost 22 no problem all
u see my Z-5500 picture at my office smail when i sit my chair i see sound bass and loud still low no good very bad i did subwoofer max 100% souround 50% center 50% valume half 8/22 or 9/22
still bass and loud low so u see another pic my write i stand so when i go stand i see sound bass and loud normail abit but good abit i want high bass and loud very best i did watch video youtube i see many people got bass and loud high that sound like boom boom very nice
do u think my subwoofer no good place ????
so please help me

[snuif09]

i want a z-5500 too =(

[gopala33]

no help me ??? why no reply guys u did read my post i am still waiting guy answeer

[twicksisted]

no help me ??? why no reply guys u did read my post i am still waiting guy answeer

From the photographs youve taken, it looks like you havent actually set the speakers up properly which is why they not going to sound right.

Ideally you should have a square room as this will improve the acoustics. And ideally the surround speakers should be at ear level in all the 4 corners of the room pointing towards you. The subwoofer will sound best near a wall where it will have more bass reverberation... to maximise the bas even more you can move the sub into a corner in the room.

Also you havent mentioned how you are connecting to the sub and what kind of signal you are giving it. The speaekrs are only going to play as well as the signal they are given, if the source material is soft and low then the speaekrs are going to be able to maximise it that well. A good soundcard is important in pre-amplifing the sound too.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

i bought 25June 2008 new Logitech Z-5500 Retail box
i use XBOX 360 RCA av cable like red and white cable convert jack one green connected
i tested PC 6ch direct 3 cables also same sounds i checked my system firmware 2.1.0 new got aslo boost 22 no problem all
u see my Z-5500 picture at my office smail when i sit my chair i see sound bass and loud still low no good very bad i did subwoofer max 100% souround 50% center 50% valume half 8/22 or 9/22
still bass and loud low so u see another pic my write i stand so when i go stand i see sound bass and loud normail abit but good abit i want high bass and loud very best i did watch video youtube i see many people got bass and loud high that sound like boom boom very nice
do u think my subwoofer no good place ????
so please help me


You have your Sub facing a wall. Why? Give it some room with nothing in front of it and nothing blocking it.

Heres a guide for a 5.1 setup
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/129023.html

[DanishDevil]

Yeah, the point of a 5.1 system is to separate the channels as much as possible. There are different things coming out of each speaker, so smashing them all together in a giant speaker orgy sounds like fun, but they work better apart ;)

[hv43082]

This set is too damn loud...I have yet to use more than 4 bars of volume for my games, :P

[DanishDevil]

I usually keep it under 4 bars, but when the parents aren't home, and I'm playing some Killswitch Engage or Bullet for my Valentine, I can't help but go about half way up :D

[hv43082]

I usually keep it under 4 bars, but when the parents aren't home, and I'm playing some Killswitch Engage or Bullet for my Valentine, I can't help but go about half way up :D

Nice...I do the same with Hip Hop music post exam. I am sure my neighbor hated those afternoons :laugh:. BTW does this thing have a microphone jack? I am guessing not cuz it does not have a mic line to the sound card.

[Mussels]

no they dont have a mic jack.

[DanishDevil]

It does have a line-in, though, so if you have a spare 3.5 stereo cable, you can hook an MP3 dock to it and when you have people over you can play their music :D Show them how it should REALLY sound :toast:

[nareshseep]

I have got the logitech Z5500, add my name Naresh Seeparsad, from Trinidad and Tobago. I need to know what sound card is best for this system. Logitech rocks, bass a bit overpowering, but you can tone it down. I want to know what sound card is the best for this system. XFi, Auzentech, Asus Xonar, I need a card for great musical quality as opposed to gaming

[TheGuruStud]

I have got the logitech Z5500, add my name Naresh Seeparsad, from Trinidad and Tobago. I need to know what sound card is best for this system. Logitech rocks, bass a bit overpowering, but you can tone it down. I want to know what sound card is the best for this system. XFi, Auzentech, Asus Xonar, I need a card for great musical quality as opposed to gaming

Xonar d2 would be my pick for any application (and should be exquisite for music). Creative can blow me....but I still wouldn't buy their crap :laugh: I'm still broke, so no xonar for me :(

[Mussels]

xonar D2 at the top, followed by the auzentechs.

in all honesty, the quality of your music source is going to have more effect than the differences between these cards.

[nareshseep]

I was thinking also about the Audigy 2. what you all think?

[DanishDevil]

Audigy 2 is way outdated. I think if you want great sound from these speakers, go with the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude. Its real time Dolby Digital Live encoding paired with the optical connection to the Z-5500's rocked my socks AND shoes off :p

[nareshseep]

^^ cool thanks for the info DD, with the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude, can you make stereo sound copy over to the rear and central speakers?

[DanishDevil]

Yep. It encodes it into a Dolby Digital Live signal for the speakers. The speakers have Dolby Digital Pro Logic II to upmix for music and movies, but IMO DDL sounds much better, and gives you a reason to have a sound card.

[nareshseep]

hey dude was doing some research and came across this, anyone ever upgraded the opamps?

http://www.auzentech.com/site/products/opamp_install.php

[gerrynicol]

new drivers out for the X-Fi Prelude, Release Date: 08/12/2008

[twicksisted]

hey dude was doing some research and came across this, anyone ever upgraded the opamps?

http://www.auzentech.com/site/products/opamp_install.php

the special opamps are a special feature of those azuntech cards... but to be honest they will only really make a difference to analogue sound output and youd need a pretty top end amplifier and speakers to make any use of it. If youre going to use optical then you really dont need it as it wont be used...

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Has anyone noticed that the volume on the Stereo Mini side port is much lower than the ports on the back? I'm assuming its because it does go through any amplification?

[DanishDevil]

Not sure about that. I know that all analog is quieter than digital, so they have the volume+11 option by holding down mute and turning the volume up on the control knob.

[gerrynicol]

Lo folks,

Read on here that someones control unit display was flickering, My unit is doing this also, anyone know how/if this can be rectified??.

Cheers,

Gerry.

[Legend of Leroy Bad]

Not sure about that. I know that all analog is quieter than digital, so they have the volume+11 option by holding down mute and turning the volume up on the control knob.

Well side analog port sounds lower than the 3 analog ports on the back.

[Mussels]

Lo folks,

Read on here that someones control unit display was flickering, My unit is doing this also, anyone know how/if this can be rectified??.

Cheers,

Gerry.

logitech told me i could RMA it, but i had to send the entire unit back... :(

In the end the backlight just died totally, but the speakers still work fine.

[gopala33]

i have Logitech Z-5500 so i need good sound card i use music songs listering i want loud and bass good and Decode Dolby Digital DTS and movie so which batter one sound card i dont want use gaming sound ok so help me which brand good ??? and model so most best sound card wil be loud and bass

[twicksisted]

Azuntech Prelude or Asus D2X ;)

[Mussels]

i have Logitech Z-5500 so i need good sound card i use music songs listering i want loud and bass good and Decode Dolby Digital DTS and movie so which batter one sound card i dont want use gaming sound ok so help me which brand good ??? and model so most best sound card wil be loud and bass

When you're using digital, the sound card does very little - it will not affect bass or quality at all (thats the point of digital!)

The only reason to get a good soundcard is if you're on analogue, or you want dolby digital/DTS ENcoding.
DEcoding is done purely by the speakers, and you gain nothing from ENcoding unless you're getting games to run in 5.1.

Summary: get any soundcard with digital outputs (optical or coax) hook them up to these speakers, and enjoy.

[AMDCam]

I have a Z5500, can someone add me? It might even be in one of my pictures in the case mod section, for my Inspiron-to-XPS laptop setup. If not I'll get pics when i'm back in the states.

[Mussels]

I have a Z5500, can someone add me? It might even be in one of my pictures in the case mod section, for my Inspiron-to-XPS laptop setup. If not I'll get pics when i'm back in the states.

if you want to be added, fill out the details asked in the first post (PID, firmware number, speaker setup, etc)

[DanishDevil]

Since I'm gonna be out of the country, someone want to PM me when you want to be added, and I'll do my best to get you on here? I'll add it to the first post.

[nareshseep]

Lo folks,

Read on here that someones control unit display was flickering, My unit is doing this also, anyone know how/if this can be rectified??.

Cheers,

Gerry.

I have that same problem.

[Mussels]

naresheep: i already posted about it. THe only thing to do is keep it or RMA it, the unit appears to work fine as the LED Isnt connected to anything important.

[gopala33]

When you're using digital, the sound card does very little - it will not affect bass or quality at all (thats the point of digital!)

The only reason to get a good soundcard is if you're on analogue, or you want dolby digital/DTS ENcoding.
DEcoding is done purely by the speakers, and you gain nothing from ENcoding unless you're getting games to run in 5.1.

Summary: get any soundcard with digital outputs (optical or coax) hook them up to these speakers, and enjoy.

i just want dolby digital/DTS Decoding i dont want encoding so i want good sound card i use listering songs mp3 and dolby digital and DTS and movie 5.1 so what analogue its 3 cables green black orange right ??? so which good sound card

[twicksisted]

Azuntech Prelude or Asus D2X ;)

those two mentioned above are the best at the moment... I think asus have launched another one with HDMI and more DSP's, but thats a lot more money ;)

[gopala33]

those two mentioned above are the best at the moment... I think asus have launched another one with HDMI and more DSP's, but thats a lot more money ;)

cannot connect HDMI TO Logitech Z-5500 so which batter one sound card Azuntech Prelude or Asus D2X ??? can get loud ???? i did search asus D2X but very hard to find picture i want see picture software like valume control

[twicksisted]

i did search asus D2X but very hard to find picture i want see picture software like valume control


Heres a picture of the audio software that controls the card:
http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/90532_xonard2xaudiocenter.jpg

[gopala33]

cannot connect HDMI TO Logitech Z-5500 so which batter one sound card Azuntech Prelude or Asus D2X ??? can get loud ???? please tell me

[gopala33]

Heres a picture of the audio software that controls the card:
http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/90532_xonard2xaudiocenter.jpg

its not valume u can see my old sound card onboard u see like picture valume control
picture link http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24793158kn0.jpg
show me screenshot i want see valume control that sound card asus xnor d2x

[Mussels]

gopala you've managed to ignore what i said.

With what you want (DEcoding only) then th