Storage solution: Mass E-sata cage

[Mussels]

Basically this is about the E-sata cage mentioned in my sig - i have been getting lots of PM's lately, so i am going to post images and details now, and slowly update this thread as i mod the cage (a long term plan)

The original reason for getting this was i had a storage server, but due to hardware and software costs i ditched it. Running out of sata ports, replacing/cleaning fans. virus threats and such all made it too costly. Storage PC was also a real ass to carry to and from lans, since it required a mouse, keyboard etc to get running at full capacity (sharing and unsharing files, people with firewall problems etc)
This unit was my solution. The model is a ViPower MobileRack SubSystem, Aluminum, 5 Bay, model # VPMA-75511R.

details of the stock unit start here:
Cage is almost a micro PC. Its an old 300W AT PSU (no, not ATX). The unit is 5x 5 1/4" bays with 'hotswap' SATA-II cages, connected to an E-sata Port multiplier - this means that all 5 hard drives run off one E-sata port on the PC. Upside is one cable for 5 drives, downside is that running all 5 drives at once could cause a problem with speed.
Only flaw is that on some systems, connecting to the onboard SATA ports (not E-sata) via an adaptor results in only the first drive being shown. Intel ICH9 ports are currently showing this issue - i am looking into a USB to E-sata adaptor as a workaround on those systems.


Intended mods are:
Quietening the unit. Deciding how best to do that as i get used to it. First to go will be the 40mm fans.

[Mussels]

Images!

http://img.techpowerup.org/080428/Bundle.jpg
Each bay in the unit came with a packet of screws, 2 keys and a manual. i have 5 manuals and 10 keys now. lol.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080428/Front.jpg
Closeup. Image looks a little distorted, thats just my camera bending things.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080428/Rear.jpg
Rear of the unit - shows that its got a standard PSU, 80mm fan, and half-height bracket for the E-sata port.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080428/Drive in cage.jpg
Drive installed in the cage. There is also a silver metal cover that goes over the top, in order to 'direct' the airflow the 40mm fan provides.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080428/Rear drive.jpg
Rear of the drive.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080428/Internal.jpg
The inside of the unit - and the aforementioned 40mm fan.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080428/fast - blurred.jpg
Fuzzed out parts due to the content being material not suited for display on TPU - but the speed of the unit has no problems from one drive to another ;)

[Mussels]

I have now removed the power to the 40mm fans. huh. the damned thing is inaudible. WIN!

Now its all drive noise, and windows powering the off after a while at idle will fix that no problems.

Other options i would like comments on for reducing noise:
Swapping to HDD silencing enclosures, sound absorbing padding. Anyone have any ideas for what i can do with 5x 5 1/4" bays and 5 hard drives? :)

[ex_reven]

cool

i wonder what temps they hit.

[wolf]

see atm i have 2x coolermaster 4 in 3 device modules for 5 drives ( 3 in one, 2 in the other) and this sits next to the comp, but the annoyance is all the cableing, i really want just one data cable to the pc.

http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?act=detail&id=2542

[Mussels]

cool

i wonder what temps they hit.

cant tell, everest wont read any drives on my e-sata controller. They dont get very hot, as there is 2x80mm fans behind them. i'd say <40c, in the cold ambients i'm getting now.

[Mussels]

see atm i have 2x coolermaster 4http://img.techpowerup.com/forums/images/editor/separator.gif
http://img.techpowerup.com/forums/images/editor/separator.gif in 3 device modules for 5 drives ( 3 in one, 2 in the other) and this sits next to the comp, but the annoyance is all the cableing, i really want just one data cable to the pc.

http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?act=detail&id=2542

the cage cost me $500. it may not be suitable for your needs...

Also, not all sata ports work with port multipliers even if you can buy one seperately and they definately use E-sata cables so you'd need to get a sata to e-sata adaptor cable as well.

[kyle2020]

How are the 500GB F1's? im considering purchasing one, possibly next week, just wanted an insight on what they are like?

[Exavier]

Hmm..I've seen units like this that offer some form of RAID..though it can't be real per se, though..

[Mussels]

some of the units do offer RAID, this one is RAID only when your E-sata controller supports it.

Kyle2020: i dont have F1's. i have the older model 500GB's. From what i've heard, they're quite good drives.

[Mussels]

oh as an update to this: not all sata controllers support port multipliers.

Intel for example, do NOT. Only the first drive shows up. Jmicron and silicon image controlers do as long as they are sata-II, so keep this in mind if anyone intends to follow me with this.

Also, i have to have the unit powered on and connect the E-sata cable later - powering it on with the cable already connected results in only the first drive being detected.

[xvi]

"3250MB from one cable"

Is that supposed to be "3250GB from one cable"?
..or perhaps "3.25TB from one cable"?

[FatForester]

Hey Mussels, is your onboard e-sata flaky on your ASUS P5K-e? When I turn on or use my computer with the e-sata plugged in, it is only a matter of time before my system locks up. When it works, it works great though. I haven't had much time to fool with it so I've just used USB for the time being (it's enough for listening to music).

Back on topic, that cage looks pretty slick! How much vibration is there? The only thing I would maybe do would be to stick some rubber washers under the hard drive, if your case allows it. A suspension kit would be best for sound, but that would defeat the purpose of a hot-swap and easy to move setup since it would make temps worse and could become unstable. You could get away with a really tight suspension, but you'd need to have some airflow on the back as a precaution.

Sound padding... where would you put it? The only spots I see would be within each bay and at the back of the unit, but that would really screw with airflow. I don't know how hot yours get, but my Samsung 750 gets really hot in my enclosure since it partially blocks two of the air holes.

EDIT: I just saw your post about your temps and airflow, so ignore anything I said ^ that you have already done.

[cdawall]

thats cool i might follow you in this eventually but iwould build my own cage i think

[tigger]

Fatforester,i had a p5k-premium before this p5q-e,on the p5k i could not get raid to work,it always fooked up,and my caddy for my 160gb backup drive(it goes into a 5.25" bay and has sata power and data connectors on the back) would not hot swap without crashing my pc.

It now works fine on this new board,the p5k boards do have problems with raid,i think there is a thread coevering the issue on XS forum.

[Mussels]

several posts here:

xvi: yeah that was a typo. fixed.

fatforester: once i removed all the fans, its very quiet. the cage actually has some rubber feet that remove almost all vibration (and the samsungs are quiet drives, which is why i chose them)

In order to get the E-sata working right you should make sure its set right in the bios (make sure its not in RAID mode) and there is a procedure i have to follow. i have to have the drive powered on, and THEN connect the e-sata cable. The system DOES NOT like having the E-sata cable connected before powering on the cage - i think it messes with the hot-plug detection.

[k0rn_h0li0]

so this thread was just a guinie pig in your test for hdd. 5 hdd's to spare sounds like fun.

samsung 750gig sata II - inexpensive and fun to use but long time to format (i'm using my laptop to format mine right now) stupid i know but i have time?

was the cage aluminum? easy to carry around? get hot without the fans? my hdd doesn't even make that much noise but my external enclosure is crisp and quiet. barely any heat coming from it also but i couldn't say much about having 5 hdd's in one cage all at once. good job though

so if its not set to raid what should it set to be then?

[Mussels]

my 750's make no real noise at all. 5 of them is audible, but its not annoying.

The cage does appear to be aluminum, its fairly lightweight.
Formatting took 10 seconds. Why wouldnt you use quick format on a new drive?
The fans are off - the hard drives dont get hot. The fans would be needed for say, raptors.

Its not raid, so it shows as 5 individual drives.

[toloratedmeat]

hairy finger

[Mussels]

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