The 9600GSO beats 9600GT in every benchmark!!! :twitch: [Archive]

Kursah

04-30-2008, 05:20 AM

I don't really buy those results yet...I'll wait to see more comparos from more known sources....

Maybe this is a typo but:

Call of Duty 4 DX10

Umm..I've had CoD4 since release...it's DX9 all the way. I'm sure it was a typo though, and I'm sure with more memory they will do an excellent job...dunno why NV would wanna have a card perform so close to the GT though..so like I said, I wanna see more results from more places, publications and users before I draw any conclusions.

Interesting information to say the least, in the end the differences don't really make me feel like swapping any day soon, the largest increases are either in 3DM06 (who cares? it's not a WR setting card...and gaming is much better than benchmarking imo, if you're going for WR, no 9600 is worthy), or games where the differences are more than 5% the difference wouldn't be noticable to the eye or in the gameplay.

But if these results are in-fact true, then it gives users more options for similar performance, and maybe the GSO's will turn out to be pretty good OC-ers too...time will definately tell!

:toast:

jbunch07

04-30-2008, 05:20 AM

you will see some diff even at low resolution depending on the texture and shaders involved. the FPS differeance becomes greater at higher resolution the diff will be higher between the 2 but even at low resolution the ram will show some marginal improvement.

yea....im willing to bet if they used higher res then the difference would be far greater

Solaris17

04-30-2008, 05:21 AM

I don't really buy those results yet...I'll wait to see more comparos from more known sources....

Maybe this is a typo but:

Umm..I've had CoD4 since release...it's DX9 all the way. I'm sure it was a typo though, and I'm sure with more memory they will do an excellent job...dunno why NV would wanna have a card perform so close to the GT though..so like I said, I wanna see more results from more places, publications and users before I draw any conclusions.

Interesting information to say the least, in the end the differences don't really make me feel like swapping any day soon, the largest increases are either in 3DM06 (who cares? it's not a WR setting card...and gaming is much better than benchmarking imo, if you're going for WR, no 9600 is worthy), or games where the differences are more than 5% the difference wouldn't be noticable to the eye or in the gameplay.

But if these results are in-fact true, then it gives users more options for similar performance, and maybe the GSO's will turn out to be pretty good OC-ers too...time will definately tell!

:toast:

i take that as a personal challange place down the street sells LN2 and i have a couple machine shop buddys that will grab a copper block and make me a pot to specifications

BlueSohip

04-30-2008, 05:22 AM

you will see some diff even at low resolution depending on the texture and shaders involved. the FPS differeance becomes greater at higher resolution the diff will be higher between the 2 but even at low resolution the ram will show some marginal improvement.

I guess you are right...but still i want to flash my card with the new bios so I could benefit from the new drivers that nvidia release it early for the new cards.

Solaris17

04-30-2008, 05:23 AM

I guess you are right...but still i want to flash my card with the new bios so I could benefit from the new drivers that nvidia release it early for the new cards.

go for it i dont see why not may even imreve performance :)

Kursah

04-30-2008, 05:25 AM

i take that as a personal challange

I knew you would! :p

But in my eyes, a 1K difference in 3DM06 for a few FPS difference in games just doesn't make sense in swapping to me. I know the 8800GS's were good cards and held their own just fine against the 9600GT's, and even won quite a few rounds when OC'd. NV went from not much to offer in midrange performance to too many that perform too close imo, but hey if it sells then it works! And in the end GSO's and GT's will both be damn good cards for gamers on a budget for sure!

:toast:

candle_86

04-30-2008, 08:28 AM

I don't really buy those results yet...I'll wait to see more comparos from more known sources....

Maybe this is a typo but:

Umm..I've had CoD4 since release...it's DX9 all the way. I'm sure it was a typo though, and I'm sure with more memory they will do an excellent job...dunno why NV would wanna have a card perform so close to the GT though..so like I said, I wanna see more results from more places, publications and users before I draw any conclusions.

Interesting information to say the least, in the end the differences don't really make me feel like swapping any day soon, the largest increases are either in 3DM06 (who cares? it's not a WR setting card...and gaming is much better than benchmarking imo, if you're going for WR, no 9600 is worthy), or games where the differences are more than 5% the difference wouldn't be noticable to the eye or in the gameplay.

But if these results are in-fact true, then it gives users more options for similar performance, and maybe the GSO's will turn out to be pretty good OC-ers too...time will definately tell!

:toast:

unless they changed something else they should OC as well as the 8800GS and 8800GT as it uses the same PCB

btarunr

04-30-2008, 09:12 AM

Are we forgetting 9600 GSO (8800 GS) has 50% more shader units than 9600 GT ?

So the 9600 series looks like:

9600 GSO
9600 GT
9600 GS (soon to come).

reviewhunter

04-30-2008, 09:40 AM

Its a 96 vs 64 shader processors after all

Palit_Guy

05-01-2008, 08:10 PM

I knew you would! :p

NV went from not much to offer in midrange performance to too many that perform too close imo, but hey if it sells then it works!

:toast:

Well said!

Now that these parts are out here's what the product stack looks like. I'm going to leave off the mishmash of letters at the end of the model number just to confuse everyone.

9600 256MB
9600 384MB
9600 512MB
9600 640MB
9600 768MB
9600 1GB

I can't wait to see a Newegg product search for 9600 in another couple weeks.

We're sorry, too many results were returned. Please narrow your search or look for an ATI card.

CHAOS_KILLA

05-01-2008, 08:20 PM

thats too many 9600 series, lol nvidia you make me laugh!

Palit_Guy

05-01-2008, 08:39 PM

For those of you that think it would be sexy to work in this industry I would invite all of you to try to create a set of product pages as PDFs that make sense of just the 9600 product line.

asb2106

05-01-2008, 08:43 PM

I dont take anything from that site seriously.

They are the same site that says a 4870 will score 18k in 3dmark(single card)

Im thinking thats not too possible(i might be wrong), but I think that place is lacking on credibility.

erocker

05-01-2008, 08:51 PM

All one has to do is see how a 8800gs perfroms and compare it to the 9600GT. Everyone remember this? : http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/04/name-change-geforce-8800gs-to-become-geforce-9600gso/

Voice-Of-Palit

05-01-2008, 09:19 PM

All one has to do is see how a 8800gs perfroms and compare it to the 9600GT. Everyone remember this? : http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/04/name-change-geforce-8800gs-to-become-geforce-9600gso/

I like how expertview did this...

"9600GT 256MB ≈ 8800GS 384MB ≈ 8800GTS 320MB < 9600GT 512MB ≈ 8800GS 768MB ≈ 8800GTS 640MB < 8800GT 512MB < 8800GTS 512MB < 8800GTX 768MB < 8800Ultra 768MB < 9800GX2"

Should sum it up for you.

Basically we are going from NO midrange cards with acceptable performance to a TON. Give it a couple of months and it will get even more interesting.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7085&Itemid=65

TheGoat Eater

05-01-2008, 09:38 PM

I don't really buy those results yet...I'll wait to see more comparos from more known sources....

Maybe this is a typo but:

Umm..I've had CoD4 since release...it's DX9 all the way. I'm sure it was a typo though, and I'm sure with more memory they will do an excellent job...dunno why NV would wanna have a card perform so close to the GT though..so like I said, I wanna see more results from more places, publications and users before I draw any conclusions.

Interesting information to say the least, in the end the differences don't really make me feel like swapping any day soon, the largest increases are either in 3DM06 (who cares? it's not a WR setting card...and gaming is much better than benchmarking imo, if you're going for WR, no 9600 is worthy), or games where the differences are more than 5% the difference wouldn't be noticable to the eye or in the gameplay.

But if these results are in-fact true, then it gives users more options for similar performance, and maybe the GSO's will turn out to be pretty good OC-ers too...time will definately tell!

:toast:
I'll let that roll off my back :slap:as I hold the WR for for 9600GTs in SLI in AQ3,01,03,and 05 ...Both PALiT cards... only I would welcome a challenge to my seating as I doubt any will reach my CPU levels bench at 5.3-5.4 (goes to 5.606:eek:):rockout:

cheers and happy benching
:toast:

asb2106

05-01-2008, 09:40 PM

I'll let that roll off my back :slap:as I hold the WR for for 9600GTs in SLI in AQ3,01,03,and 05 ...Both PALiT cards... only I would welcome a challenge to my seating as I doubt any will reach my CPU levels bench at 5.3-5.4 (goes to 5.606:eek:):rockout:

cheers and happy benching
:toast:

damn! Link me to a screenie please!

[I.R.A]_FBi

05-01-2008, 09:45 PM

when will i get 768 gso's to buy?

TheGoat Eater

05-01-2008, 09:46 PM

I like how expertview did this...

"9600GT 256MB ≈ 8800GS 384MB ≈ 8800GTS 320MB < 9600GT 512MB ≈ 8800GS 768MB ≈ 8800GTS 640MB < 8800GT 512MB < 8800GTS 512MB < 8800GTX 768MB < 8800Ultra 768MB < 9800GX2"

Should sum it up for you.

Basically we are going from NO midrange cards with acceptable performance to a TON. Give it a couple of months and it will get even more interesting.

Thanks - I like that trickle down chart

I too am looking forward to doing some benching w/ these new cards as mid to low end is wha tI like benching :D

TheGoat Eater

05-01-2008, 09:48 PM

damn! Link me to a screenie please!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=186338

Palit_Guy

05-01-2008, 09:51 PM

_FBi;774845']when will i get 768 gso's to buy?

Where are you located?

[I.R.A]_FBi

05-01-2008, 10:11 PM

Where are you located?

Jamaica

Palit_Guy

05-01-2008, 10:13 PM

Damn, I knew that didn't I?

I have no idea when they will show up there. Sorry.

[I.R.A]_FBi

05-01-2008, 11:07 PM

Damn, I knew that didn't I?

I have no idea when they will show up there. Sorry.

I can buy from teh us, how about there?

DaedalusHelios

05-01-2008, 11:18 PM

Damn, I knew that didn't I?

I have no idea when they will show up there. Sorry.

What about the US!!!!! :cry:

I wanna buy a palit one.:D

btarunr

05-02-2008, 03:45 AM

Well said!

Now that these parts are out here's what the product stack looks like. I'm going to leave off the mishmash of letters at the end of the model number just to confuse everyone.

9600 GT 256MB
9600 GSO 384MB
9600 GT 512MB
9600 GS 640MB
9600 GSO768MB
9600 GT 1GB

I can't wait to see a Newegg product search for 9600 in another couple weeks.

Fixed? You missed 9600 GS 320MB?

Voice-Of-Palit

05-02-2008, 03:47 AM

_FBi;774845']when will i get 768 gso's to buy?

Our cards are en route to a place you can buy them. You should see reviews on our cards around that time or a week later. Not sure how you can get our stuff in Jamaica though.

:)

smig

05-02-2008, 09:18 AM

if you take the 9600GSO make sure to have the 768mb one, and not the 384mb.

all benchmarks I saw show it faster then the 9600GT one.
it has more shaders but smaller bandwidth and lower frequencies. it also require less power.

I just ordered XpertVision one. it's he same company as Palit. cheaper then any other I could find here (Israel)
it's also pre OC (Sonic)

guess you can have it cheaper in US

Voice-Of-Palit

05-02-2008, 09:21 AM

if you take the 9600GSO make sure to have the 768mb one, and not the 384mb.

all benchmarks I saw show it faster then the 9600GT one.
it has more shaders but smaller bandwidth and lower frequencies. it also require less power.

I just ordered XpertVision one. it's he same company as PNY. cheaper then any other I could find here (Israel)
it's also pre OC (Sonic)

guess you can have it cheaper in US

Xpertvison is a Palit company. :) Thanks for the support!

calvary1980

05-02-2008, 09:24 AM

8800gs = 9600gso. Not sure what everyone's excited about.

nVidia prepared a stock pile for the 9600GSO so won't be any issues getting one also letting vendors put what they want on the card this time around unlike the 8800GS. we also may see 768MB variants in the US and Canada.

- Christine

smig

05-02-2008, 09:39 AM

Xpertvison is a Palit company. :) Thanks for the support!

Sorry, my mistake. fixed :)

BTW - I sent Palit support a question regarding this card yesterday (or even the day before) still no answer. qwestions sent through XpertVision site are directed to Palit.
this is not a great support :slap:
:D
but no warry - my questions where already answered here :toast:

I had Palit cards before and was very happy with them.

now a questions directly to you :respect:
1. looking at Palit's 9600gt I saw a normal green one with gold fan and a blue one. any difference between the two ? they are priced almost the same here.
2. the normal green one looks identical to the XpertVision one. they are very differ in price. any rason for that, or just the company name ?
if you think this is a rude question don't answer and ignore it.

all these numbers, and extra letters causing a lot of confusion :(
it's hard to find a direct question to "what to buy", and many times the noviced consumer missled by the sellers, that sometimes no nothing about what they sell too.

calvary1980

05-02-2008, 09:58 AM

V1
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/966/1426100205vj0.jpg
1 TV Port, 1 HDMI Port, 1 Dual DVI (No Cooling on Mem, Ref)

V2
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2580/palit96gtson05syd7.jpg
1 Display Port, 1 HDMI Port, 2 Dual DVI, 1 S/PDIF (Cooling on Mem, Non Ref)

V3
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7418/1426101305hm6.jpg
1 Display Port, 1 HDMI Port, 2 Dual DVI, 1 S/PDIF (Cooling on Mem, Non Ref)

- Christine

Voice-Of-Palit

05-02-2008, 10:05 AM

Sorry, my mistake. fixed :)

BTW - I sent Palit support a question regarding this card yesterday (or even the day before) still no answer. qwestions sent through XpertVision site are directed to Palit.
this is not a great support :slap:
:D
but no warry - my questions where already answered here :toast:

I had Palit cards before and was very happy with them.

now a questions directly to you :respect:
1. looking at Palit's 9600gt I saw a normal green one with gold fan and a blue one. any difference between the two ? they are priced almost the same here.
2. the normal green one looks identical to the XpertVision one. they are very differ in price. any rason for that, or just the company name ?
if you think this is a rude question don't answer and ignore it.

all these numbers, and extra letters causing a lot of confusion :(
it's hard to find a direct question to "what to buy", and many times the noviced consumer missled by the sellers, that sometimes no nothing about what they sell too.

While I am the PR Manager for Palit Multimedia (The Palit division for the Americas) and we have our own product lineup, I will take a stab at this. I am not sure if you are talking about two different colored coolers or PCBs (Board). I guess you mean the cooler. We anodize the coolers to give them different colors but both are good. There are plenty of reviews to prove that.

If you can link the images you see that would help.

Looking at the post above you can see our product lineup for 9600 GT. The first is a low cost version that is close to the Nvidia reference design except for our board design and cooler. The second has 3-phase power distribution and a better cooler as it cools the memory as well (unlike the 1st version). It also has more display outputs including HDMI and DisplayPort. The last card has the best cooler, as well as all of the other bells and whistles. We make this card in 512 MB and 1 GB versions. The 1st has standard clock speeds while the 2nd and 3rd are factory overclocked.

smig

05-02-2008, 10:17 AM

ROFL
this is the one of the most stupid things I saw :P
the blue one I was talking about is a Gigabyte one.

this stupid store write "Palit Geforce 9600GT 512MB PCI-E HDMI
" and put a Gigabyte's Radeon 2600 picture :D

I saw it only after a second look. :D

I saw the good commenst about Palit's cooling - good and quite.
the GSO seems to have the mid cooling system together with heatsink for the parts at the back
I'm sure I'll be happy with this card as I was happy with the other Palit's cards before.

wolf

05-02-2008, 01:51 PM

"9600GT 256MB ≈ 8800GS 384MB ≈ 8800GTS 320MB < 9600GT 512MB ≈ 8800GS 768MB ≈ 8800GTS 640MB < 8800GT 512MB < 8800GTS 512MB < 8800GTX 768MB ≈ 9800GTX 512MB < 8800Ultra 768MB < 9800GX2"

i think thats where it slots in pretty much. overclocked they start to toy with a stock ultra, with the exception of huge res + AA

smig

05-02-2008, 03:46 PM

so can we add the 9600GSO (as they are 8800GS) ?

9600GT 256MB ≈ 8800GS 384MB ≈ 9600GSO 384MB ≈ 8800GTS 320MB < 9600GT 512MB ≈ 8800GS 768MB ≈ 9600GSO 768MB ≈ 8800GTS 640MB < 8800GT 512MB < 8800GTS 512MB < 8800GTX 768MB ≈ 9800GTX 512MB < 8800Ultra 768MB < 9800GX2

jbunch07

05-02-2008, 04:40 PM

i sometimes wonder how much better the performance of the 8800 ultra would have been if it was a G92 core?

wolf

05-03-2008, 09:08 AM

they shouldhave made the G92 with 24 ROPS....

Exavier

05-03-2008, 11:12 AM

"9600GT 256MB ≈ 8800GS 384MB ≈ 8800GTS 320MB < 9600GT 512MB ≈ 8800GS 768MB ≈ 8800GTS 640MB < 8800GT 512MB < 8800GTS 512MB < 8800GTX 768MB < 9800GTX 512MB < 8800Ultra 768MB < 9800GX2"

I'd have said the 8800GTS 512 was better than the 8800GTX..*shrug*

Voice-Of-Palit

05-03-2008, 11:48 AM

I'd have said the 8800GTS 512 was better than the 8800GTX..*shrug*

Out Palit Geforce 8800 GTS Sonic 1 GB would certainly have beaten the standard 8800 GTX but I can't say the same for all the other cards on the market.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/683/6/

smig

05-03-2008, 01:59 PM

I'm sure a 786mb GTX will beat the 512mb GTS ;)
though a 1gb GTS (or even a 786mb one) will probably beat a 512mb GTX

as seen before amount of memory can have big impact on performance.

wolf

05-04-2008, 02:47 PM

without AA my 9800GTX oc tears the ass off an ultra, but once you go for AA, that ass gets handed right back to it.

not talking the biggest differences here tho, and my biggest res monitor is 1600x1200 so 512 mb is fine for now.

come next gen ill want 1gb of vram with at least ~120 GB/s of thruoughput.

well with everything said, perhaps the list is like so;

9600GT 256MB ≈ 8800GS 384MB ≈ 9600GSO 384MB ≈ 8800GTS 320MB ≈ 8800GT 256MB < 9600GT 512MB ≈ 8800GS 768MB ≈ 9600GSO 768MB ≈ 8800GTS 640MB < 8800GT 512MB < 8800GTS 512MB ≈ 8800GTX 768MB < 9800GTX 512MB < 8800Ultra 768MB < 9800GX2

added 8800GT 256, and put the 8800GTS 512 on par with the 8800GTX, and sat the 9800GTX between the 8800GTX and Ultra. and naturally some nice over clocking may get you to the equivalent of the next level above your card.

DeathTyrant

05-07-2008, 10:02 AM

not talking the biggest differences here tho, and my biggest res monitor is 1600x1200 so 512 mb is fine for now.

come next gen ill want 1gb of vram with at least ~120 GB/s of thruoughput.
I could do with 1GB of 512bit VRAM now. I am running three monitors using Matrox Triplehead2Go Digital. That's a resolution of 3840x1024. My 8800GTX holds up alright playing Crysis at medium settings, but I would really like to play at higher settings at this res.

wolf

05-07-2008, 11:29 AM

absolutely, we've had huge strides in GPU power, but this sub 100 GB/s bandwidth and sub 1024mb is hurting performance imo.

smig

05-12-2008, 05:25 AM

if the 9600GSO is only a renamed 8800GS then the performance of the 9600GT are better
http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/04/01/g80vsg9x/g80all.png

but other show better performance for the 9600GSO. is it realy 8800GS exactly, or did nVidia tweaked the clock speeds of it ?

hooflung64

05-12-2008, 07:12 PM

I have 2 8800GS SC's rocking in SLI on my 2nd gaming rig. A single one is pound for pound equal to my HD3850 on my main rig. In SLI its pretty sick. EVGA's Overclocked SC model makes the 8800GS pretty slick. I am pretty convinced they are holding back the 8 series performance by drivers as a marketing gimmick. A G92 in a 8 is no different in a G92 in a 9 except for the number of SP/ROP/TPUs they choose for a specific SKU.

/shrug