Physx card

[novacheck]

Hey guys and gals, if anyone has a Physx card for sale, or knows were to get one cheap, I am on the lookout for one. I will pay, or trade. PM me, or post here and let me know. Thanks.

[ShadowFold]

If anyone can find one for 50$ I will worship you.

[novacheck]

I hear ya. I don't mind spending a little bit on one, but full price is a little much.

[Solaris17]

what is full price nowadays?


http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=physx

[ShadowFold]

Still 100+$

[novacheck]

I have found around 105-150. And on ebay, up to 195. All prices are +shipping. I don't mind paying say 60 - 80 bucks for a used one, but when I just got my 8800gt for what I paid, I feel like I am getting ripped for that price.

[jbunch07]

im still debating on whether or not i should get one...i know they help frame rate in some games but in others they just sit there...besides they can be kind of pricey

[Solaris17]

that expensive holy crap you guys should most deff get one though these things rock

im still debating on whether or not i should get one...i know they help frame rate in some games but in others they just sit there...besides they can be kind of pricey



not at all i see some fps gain in all of my games and in games were it isnt used the card shuts off...the reason i think it helps even when the ppu is off is that on a fresh format with no drivers it shows up as pci memory so when the ppu core is off i think games have access to some of the gddr3

[ShadowFold]

I will when they are under 100$. I dont think its worth it for 100$+.. I can get 4gb of ram or a faster HDD for that price.

[novacheck]

Yeah, I know. Most of the games I play are optimized for it, and I like the extra eyecandy:eek:

[novacheck]

I will when they are under 100$. I dont think its worth it for 100$+.. I can get 4gb of ram or a faster HDD for that price.

Exactly

[novacheck]

that expensive holy crap you guys should most deff get one though these things rock





not at all i see some fps gain in all of my games and in games were it isnt used the card shuts off...the reason i think it helps even when the ppu is off is that on a fresh format with no drivers it shows up as pci memory so when the ppu core is off i think games have access to some of the gddr3
What did you pay for yours?

[jbunch07]

that expensive holy crap you guys should most deff get one though these things rock





not at all i see some fps gain in all of my games and in games were it isnt used the card shuts off...the reason i think it helps even when the ppu is off is that on a fresh format with no drivers it shows up as pci memory so when the ppu core is off i think games have access to some of the gddr3

hmm i didnt know it worked like that...very interesting

[novacheck]

not at all i see some fps gain in all of my games and in games were it isnt used the card shuts off...the reason i think it helps even when the ppu is off is that on a fresh format with no drivers it shows up as pci memory so when the ppu core is off i think games have access to some of the gddr3

More reason for me to want one. :D

[CrackerJack]

Here's the cheapest one i can find. If you live in the States. If you don't live far from the store i would go it myself. Saving on shipping.:D
http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2180959&Sku=B52-7834&SRCCODE=PGCMPUSA&CMP=OTC-PRICEGRABBER

Tiger has the same one for the same price, but then again you got to add for shipping.

Here's also a comparsion with and without the card. Game: Unreal 3 (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3171&p=3)

[jbunch07]

Here's the cheapest one i can find. If you live in the States. If you don't live far from the store i would go it myself. Saving on shipping.:D
http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2180959&Sku=B52-7834&SRCCODE=PGCMPUSA&CMP=OTC-PRICEGRABBER

the compusa got shutdown where i used to live and they dont even have one here in east TN or do they?

[CrackerJack]

the compusa got shutdown where i used to live and they dont even have one here in east TN or do they?

yeah, theres one still in knoxville. :D

[jbunch07]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143055&Tpk=physx
$94 after rebate

[novacheck]

Here's the cheapest one i can find. If you live in the States. If you don't live far from the store i would go it myself. Saving on shipping.:D
http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2180959&Sku=B52-7834&SRCCODE=PGCMPUSA&CMP=OTC-PRICEGRABBER

Tiger has the same one for the same price, but then again you got to add for shipping.

Here's also a comparsion with and without the card. Game: Unreal 3 (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3171&p=3)

That is the cheapest I was able to find also. That is why I am trying to find a used one. But, if anyone is like me, that may be impossible. If I had one, I doubt I would EVER get rid of it.


Here's a link for videos with of of the games I play. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/BFG/Ageia_PhysX_Card/5.html

[CrackerJack]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143055&Tpk=physx
$94 after rebate

I didn't see that, Good Eye ;) Shipping will only be about $5. Well for Me and You. ha ha I don't know about everybody else

[novacheck]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143055&Tpk=physx
$94 after rebate

I just found that one. But, I hate MIR's. That, and I don't have that much money ATM, I could afford it after the rebate, but not before.

[CrackerJack]

hey Solaris17, i wonder if you can use more than one at a time? That would be AWESOME!!! Would see why not?!?!

[novacheck]

I doubt it, but it would be awesome. Maybe someone could hack it to work that way, but that is an area that I really don't know, so I could be talking out of my a$$.

[CrackerJack]

3dMark Vantage WOW! That's a pretty good jump
http://img.techpowerup.org/080501/0,1425,i=208999,00.gif

novacheck-if i had two i would try it. ha ha

[jbunch07]

haha sli/cf physx cards!

[novacheck]

3dMark Vantage WOW! That's a pretty good jump
http://img.techpowerup.org/080501/0,1425,i=208999,00.gif

novacheck-if i had two i would try it. ha ha

And you would get a thousand thanks added to your profile if it worked. :laugh:

[jbunch07]

sounds like a new project if ya ask me...

[novacheck]

Well, doesn't really change the fact that I need to get my hands on one. I have only personally seen 1. A friend of a friend had one installed on his Dell XPS. WOW. That is what started my Physx corruption. Gotta find one. NOW. LOL.

[CrackerJack]

well if me and jbunch07 gets one, then me and him could try it i guess. I'll be happy to have atleast one, but if we got two work together. oh man. But two bad in my case i've only got one open slot. :o

[jbunch07]

well i agree with u if they were not so expensive then i would prob get one... but i need to finish building the rest of my rig atm...so prob wont get one for a while

[novacheck]

well if me and jbunch07 gets one, they me and him could try it i guess. I'll be happy to have atleast one, but if we got two work together. oh man. But two bad in my case i've only got one open slot. :o
Ouch, I hate when that happens. But, I am lucky, the only thing that is using a slot is my video card. So I have 6 more open. But, as it is, I only have 2 PCI slots, anyway.

[commandercup]

supposedly nvidia might be workign on integrating some more physics features with their mainstream GPU's since Ageia was bought out by Nvidia (right?)

why exactly do you want one? 0_0... I thought it was pointless because very few games supported it

[novacheck]

Other than a new processor, it really is the only thing I am missing. And it is going to be cheaper than a processor. Man, if only I could get rid of the rest of the stuff I am trying to sell. Anyone? I know you probably have looked through my other sale posts.

[jbunch07]

ill have enough slots on mine so if i do get one then ill give you a call crakerjack and we could try it out...

[CrackerJack]

Ouch, I hate when that happens. But, I am lucky, the only thing that is using a slot is my video card. So I have 6 more open. But, as it is, I only have 2 PCI slots, anyway.

i've got a totally of 7, using two for each card. so theres 4 slots. Then one between and top of the first card. If they would come with the pxi-x physix cards. That's why i've been waiting so long to get on. I could do it with two pci-x cards.

[jbunch07]

i thought they had pci-x cards...guess im thinkin about sound cards...o well yea that would be interesting to see though!

[CrackerJack]

i thought they had pci-x cards...guess im thinkin about sound cards...o well yea that would be interesting to see though!

As far as I know they don't
http://www.ageia.com/physx/faqs.html#13

[jbunch07]

guess i was thinking about sounds cards...but i dont see why they dont make them pci-x that would be nice

[novacheck]

I guess I shouldn't have bought this 2nd 2gb set of ram. Then I could have afforded that card from the 'Egg. Crap. Oh, well, I have lived this long without it.....

[Solaris17]

maybe you can use 2...reprogram the dirvers to utalize 2 diff irq's then find your game and decompile it and set it to regocnize both. prob wouldnt work if it did it would be pretty ghetto and prob not perform all that well but that seems to be the easiest way.

well i agree with u if they were not so expensive then i would prob get one... but i need to finish building the rest of my rig atm...so prob wont get one for a while

you guys bette greb one quick to my knowledge since nvidia bought them and the rights these cards have stopped being made so you may see them getting more expensive the proce may fall for a short ime to empty stock but then they will rocket up. i got mine for free someone gave theirs to be they had no use as a late b-day present i wanted one for awhile too so i got lucky.

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Ha, you guys are getting me on the bandwagon now. I'll have to sell my old rig to raise some cash to get one.
Anybody have a list of games that support Physx cards beside UT3?

[novacheck]

http://www.ageia.com/physx/titles.html



http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1202161567170.html <----Nvidia buying Ageia

[CrackerJack]

maybe you can use 2...reprogram the dirvers to utalize 2 diff irq's then find your game and decompile it and set it to regocnize both. prob wouldnt work if it did it would be pretty ghetto and prob not perform all that well but that seems to be the easiest way.

i'm going to download the drivers and see what i can do. :D Now only if had them to play with :(

[calvary1980]

since nVidia aquired Ageia they have been working on implementing the PhysX engine inside the CUDA framework for the Geforce 8 Desktop, Geforce 8 Mobile and Quadro Series so that developers can take advantage of the extra processing on the GPU.

the PhysX card is dead. I wouldn't buy one. don't bother thanking me for this kind insight *sarcasm* :(

- Christine

[novacheck]

I have read before, that even on games without Physx code, that having the PPU can still help increase FPS. Maybe not alot, ~5-10, but still. Any increase is a good increase. And it seems to me, that if they were to implement it into CUDA, (I don't know too much about it, so correct me if I am wrong) and that works in games, that you would have a very noticable drop in FPS on current cards.

[CrackerJack]

They got the drivers for the pci-x, but no cards :ohwell:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080501/Physx.jpg

[jbunch07]

They got the drivers for the pci-x, but no cards :ohwell:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080501/Physx.jpg

interesting :wtf:

[commandercup]

why would they make pci-x... generally speaking, PCI is more widespread and has more then enough bandwidth for the physx card

[OzzmanFloyd120]

why would they make pci-x... generally speaking, PCI is more widespread and has more then enough bandwidth for the physx card

Because these days SLI Mobos generally only have two PCI slots and 3 PCI-X</theory>

[calvary1980]

Havok Engine was soley dependant on the processor it was 3rd party software licensed to game developers to integrate into there engines completely different than nVidia integrating the PhsyX Engine into CUDA.

- Christine

[Solaris17]

i think they dumped the project beofre they could make the cards like i have a BFG one and its a series 100 ppu the ony 2 i see available are the BFG and orig ageia modles and from what iv read and een all of which are series 100 based.

[calvary1980]

Asus, BFG and Ageia are the only manufactures.

- Christine

[CrackerJack]

yeah i'm seeing three different manu. in the drivers, i only knew of Asus and BFG. Should I have know Ageia would have there own. lol

[Bytor]

I have had a Asus card since last fall, but it has spent most of its life in my closet in the box. Reading here makes me want to install it again..

[CrackerJack]

I have had a Asus card since last fall, but it has spent most of its life in my closet in the box. Reading here makes me want to install it again..

I would, If don't care show us to 3dmark Vantage Score with and without. That's if you got Vista?!?

[t_ski]

I'd be interested in that score, too.

[novacheck]

I would be interested in talking you into selling your card. LOL :laugh:, I'm just playing. Install, and give us scores. I would love to see the difference.

[Solaris17]

i could run one for you if you wish

only thing is with vantage cant you only run it once?

[jbunch07]

i could run one for you if you wish

please do :rockout:

post here if ya like http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=58927

[novacheck]

Feel free.

[Solaris17]

doesnt it only let you run the test once though?

[novacheck]

Yeah. I wonder if you uninstall it, delete all traces from the registry, and reinstall, if you can run it again?

[Solaris17]

ill give it a go for ya first one

will have physx enabled

NON sli because nvidia vista drivers blow

the rest in my specs

[CrackerJack]

Once, which verison are ya'll using? I've ran mine about 30 times he he

[t_ski]

You'd probably need multiple keys from multiple email addresses.

[novacheck]

I never realized I would make such a popular thread. Wow. And in the for sale section, at that. Awesome.

[CrackerJack]

Do you only have the free trial?

[ShadowFold]

If you need me to get some vantage keys I have 3 emails..

[philbrown23]

man I want one! do they work with ati cards or does it matter??

[CrackerJack]

man I want one! do they work with ati cards or does it matter??

physx cards, yes!

[Solaris17]

NON sli
GRFX not OC'd
physx card working
e6400 @ 3.5Ghz
Ram dual channel 2x2gb @ 800mhz


http://img.techpowerup.org/080502/vantage.jpg

[Bytor]

I would, If don't care show us to 3dmark Vantage Score with and without. That's if you got Vista?!?

I have a copy of Vista, just not installed right now... Thinking about installing it this weekend.

[CrackerJack]

I have a copy of Vista, just not installed right now... Thinking about installing it this weekend.

well poop! well it's up to you Solaris17 :D

[Kursah]

Nice, reading through this thread and reading some reviews (watched a lame Tigerdirect TV review too) has me pondering stuffing one of these in my rig in the future...I wanna wait to see what happens with PhysX though....iirc didn't NV buy-out Ageia? Kinda fuzzy on that though...I could be on crack lol!

Either way...like the others have said, not really any reason to go out and get one when prices are above $100...I think if they could nail down a $60-80 price point just to get more of them out there, the word-of-mouth and recommendations would be higher for these products. There are and have been a handfull of games that support this technology, and I know it will become more widely used in the future, it's a great way to utilize an extra processor to get even more performance and goodies within a gaming environment...why not implement the technology?

But for now, I gotta stay on the pessimistic side, and say for now it's not as useful as extra memory or using that money for either an extra graphics card or a better graphics card (if splitting budget to include PhysX card). On that note, maybe some more testing and analyzing of actual-modern performance enhancement in non-vs-with would be helpful...I've seen some small articles before, but wasn't very impressed. Show me a reason to dump another $100+ in my rig for a noticable benefit for gaming, and I may just do it. I think the future is bright for this technology, and I may wait to jump on this train until there's some more widespread use and implementation of it, which may be sooner than later.

:toast:

[CrackerJack]

Just found something pretty interesting
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/08/08/overclockers-hack-physx-in-graw2

[Solaris17]

kk test same as above this time card is disabled

http://img.techpowerup.org/080502/vantage -physx.jpg


for those of you wondering physics test is CPU Test 2 a 10fps drop without the card.


if you would also like me too not tonight i have ut3 physics maps..i can show you the fps of the game running those maps off my card and then show you fps running off my ppu if youd like.

[CrackerJack]

so +175 with the physx card. Not bad, did you just disable it in device manger or did you actually take it out?

[Solaris17]

disable in device manager.

[CrackerJack]

disable in device manager.

trying taking it out, then test

[Solaris17]

i will tomarrow i dont want to get out my kit atm girl is sleeping though i can assure you it didnt work..the card didnt turn on it has indicator led's when it does the fan didnt even spool up.

[CrackerJack]

i will tomarrow i dont want to get out my kit atm girl is sleeping though i can assure you it didnt work..the card didnt turn on it has indicator led's when it does the fan didnt even spool up.

oh ok cool. Led's? Sweet more lights :laugh:

[novacheck]

So far, this is the cheapest price I have found so far. http://www.buy.com/prod/bfg-ageia-physx-processor-128mb-ddr3-pci-graphics-accelerator-card/q/loc/101/204890790.html + a 45.00 mail in rebate. So, that is $58.00 total after rebate. BFG is giving a 45 dollar rebate on all physx cards sold, no matter where you buy it.

I am considering it, as it is free shipping. I don't mind paying for obsolete hardware, I will still get alot of use out of it. Tell me what you think.

[CrackerJack]

So far, this is the cheapest price I have found so far. http://www.buy.com/prod/bfg-ageia-physx-processor-128mb-ddr3-pci-graphics-accelerator-card/q/loc/101/204890790.html + a 45.00 mail in rebate. So, that is $58.00 total after rebate. BFG is giving a 45 dollar rebate on all physx cards sold, no matter where you buy it.

I am considering it, as it is free shipping. I don't mind paying for obsolete hardware, I will still get alot of use out of it. Tell me what you think.

Well dang, i might just get my up at compusa. Just so i don't have to wait. :D But yeah I would get it either way.

Solaris17- Where did you get your card?

[novacheck]

Nevermind on most sites. Alot of places are sold out.

[CrackerJack]

Nevermind on most sites. Alot of places are sold out.

Well that suck, How about compusa. To me, that sounds like a deal. Because if you decide you don't won't it or if breaks. Then it's just a drive away. Well for me :D

[novacheck]

You may want to double check that MIR from BFG. I may be wrong about it

[novacheck]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gpu-physics-engine-running,5194.html I found this, looks like having the Physx API on CUDA could be a really good thing. Just gotta wait and see. And save myself over 100 dollars.

[DaedalusHelios]

Well that suck, How about compusa. To me, that sounds like a deal. Because if you decide you don't won't it or if breaks. Then it's just a drive away. Well for me :D

All compusa's are closed across the country, except online which was eaten by tigerdirect I think. ;)

The company filed bankruptsy.:laugh:

[Bytor]

All compusa's are closed across the country, except online which was eaten by tigerdirect I think. ;)

The company filed bankruptsy.:laugh:


A buddy of mine that lives in Tampa FL. called and told me they just reopened like 5 stores in his area.

[DaedalusHelios]

A buddy of mine that lives in Tampa FL. called and told me they just reopened like 5 stores in his area.


The name was sold so...... it is not run by the same management. Probably an upstart company bought them that needed brick and morter locations. Or just a company like tigerdirect.;)

[novacheck]

Would this be considered a good price? Click Me (http://cgi.ebay.com/AGEIA-PHYSX-BFG-PHYSICS-ACCELERATOR-CARD-128MB-PCI-DDR3_W0QQitemZ330233366588QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3762Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[CrackerJack]

Would this be considered a good price? Click Me (http://cgi.ebay.com/AGEIA-PHYSX-BFG-PHYSICS-ACCELERATOR-CARD-128MB-PCI-DDR3_W0QQitemZ330233366588QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3762Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

you adding the link in wrong! ha ha no problem

http://cgi.ebay.com/AGEIA-PHYSX-BFG-PHYSICS-ACCELERATOR-CARD-128MB-PCI-DDR3_W0QQitemZ330233366588QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3762Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[novacheck]

That is twice I did that. Thanks, fixed.

[CrackerJack]

looks like a nice deal to me, but i've never bought anything off of ebay though.

[novacheck]

I have a couple of times, and it went okay. But, I still don't really care to. But, I wanted to get opinions on the matter.

[Solaris17]

pretty good deal most deff.

also if you get it or find a better deal and its just the card and for whatever reason you cant DL them i have the disk and drivers and id have no problem making an iso or something for ya. personal experioanc help etc.

[novacheck]

I am still debating --->:banghead:. Do I spend the money on it, or do I save up for something better?(like what? Check my specs) Man, I am driving myself crazy over this.:cry:

[Solaris17]

well you have 2 huge drives

a huge monitor

a damn good grafx card

proc oc'd doesnt hold anything back its core2 arch after all

hdd's are in raid for crazy performance

vista x64

and a respectable vantage score

the only update i can see happening is ram as that will help in games

or SLI which is more expansive than a physics card but sli may cause problems in vista x64

while the physx card wont disapoint you...granted i may have gotten lucky you MAY NOT see an improvement in games that dont support physx while i do

but in UT3 with or without the physx maps the game play is amazing as i understand you love ut3 that along with an improved vantage score if your into bechmarks like alot of us will make it pay off better

while improving ram will help game play depending on your board it may or may not hinder overclocking


imo if i may id get the card

unless

you want to play crysis at crazy insane resoputions on that 22" sli would be better


if you want to run crysis max and your card CAN cut it on its own and sli doesnt taste good to you get some ram it will help a little but mostly with load times and SOME of the stuttering


but on the other hand if you get a physx card and get struck with some luck like me and alot of others the card will help frame rates regardless of ram and another card.

[CrackerJack]

the only thing i see in your specs that MIGHT need upgrade, is your ram. Maybe for another 2gb. But other that, I would go for the card. Memory is cheap now and only getting cheaper. But this card hasn't got any cheaper than when it first came out.

[novacheck]

I am currently waiting for my other 2 gigs in the mail. I ordered of the Egg a couple of days ago, so should be getting them soon.

[Solaris17]

than i think the answer is fairly obvious dont you? ;) why wait when the prices will go up after availability becomes limited?

[CrackerJack]

I am currently waiting for my other 2 gigs in the mail. I ordered of the Egg a couple of days ago, so should be getting them soon.

Well in that case GO FOR THE CARD. :D This card is only going help you, not hurt you. Well maybe you pocket :laugh: Beside's the only other option you got is going SLI

[novacheck]

I don't really think I am going to afford another EVGA Superclocked anytime soon. So, I may do it. I am watching an auction in Ebay right now, and if I don't win, I may do it.

[novacheck]

bump

[nflesher87]

what are you willing to spend on a BFG?

[novacheck]

Depends. What can you find?

[DaedalusHelios]

I'm up for one too! :D

But Novacheck gets dibs first of course. ;)

[novacheck]

Lol.:roll::roll: I feel special. :D

[DaedalusHelios]

Lol.:roll::roll: I feel special. :D

Its your thread, I have no right to crap in it.:D

[novacheck]

Its your thread, I have no right to crap in it.:D

Nah, you didn't. You know, I didn't think about it until today. I have pretty much bought my entire computer from you. Except for the processor, hdd's, and dvd r/w's. Now, what else? Too bad you don't have a Physx card. Maybe someday I can get a processor off of you.

[zaqwsx]

Just saw the BFG one on newegg with a $45 mir making it $94.99, look http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143055

[novacheck]

Good looking out, but I really don't have 150 bucks to spare, and can't wait however long it takes to get the MIR. Appreciated, though.

[nflesher87]

Nah, you didn't. You know, I didn't think about it until today. I have pretty much bought my entire computer from you. Except for the processor, hdd's, and dvd r/w's. Now, what else? Too bad you don't have a Physx card. Maybe someday I can get a processor off of you.

so I can sell it to DH so that he can then sell it to you? :p

[novacheck]

LOL. Cutting out the middle man may be cheaper.:roll::roll:

[nflesher87]

LOL. Cutting out the middle man may be cheaper.:roll::roll:

haha true that, yhpm

[DaedalusHelios]

LOL. Cutting out the middle man may be cheaper.:roll::roll:

Yeah, nobody wants to pay shipping twice.:laugh:

[novacheck]

Very true.