How much longer will PCI-Express and LGA775 last?

[ShadowFold]

I am just wondering when you guys think LGA775 and PCI-Express will be the next AGP and 939. :)

[jbunch07]

well i think they will roll out with pci-e 3.0 in the next couple of years but as fas as a completely new slot i dont know about that...and as far as 775 goes its getting kinda old so i would say it doesnt have long either...but who knows?

[ShadowFold]

Think PCI-E 3.0 would need a new slot or is it like 2.0? 775 is old but they keep upping the FSB for it and its alot better than what it used to be.

[jbunch07]

its possible pci-e 3.0 will have a new slot but then again its also possible that there will be a completely new expansion slot all together. but im sure 775 wont be around to much longer...there is already talk about AM3...

[ShadowFold]

Thats AMD tho. I think AM2 reached it limits or maybe AMD just cant get a good architecture going for it and need a new socket to design for. But I dont think they have the fundings for any of that atm..

[flashstar]

The 939 is PCI-E too. The AM2 really isn't much faster than the 939 except if you get really fast ram.

On topic: At the end of the year, the 775 will be phased out. In the middle of next year, the AM2 will be replaced with the AM3. Both should use DDR3. As for the pci-e slots, they should all be backwards-compatible.

[Mussels]

PCI-E 2.0 was just released, so 1.0 and 2.0 will last a few years. look at AGP with 1/2/4/8.

775 is at its end, and will die off within 2 years of nehalems release (3-4 years max, but no NEW hardware. just the old stuff still going) - within 3 years it will be next to impossible to find 775 parts unless its second hand (just like 939 is today)

[ShadowFold]

The 939 is PCI-E too. The AM2 really isn't much faster than the 939 except if you get really fast ram.

On topic: At the end of the year, the 775 will be phased out. In the middle of next year, the AM2 will be replaced with the AM3. Both should use DDR3. As for the pci-e slots, they should all be backwards-compatible.

I was comparing 939 to 775 cause I forgot what Intel's last socket was :banghead: But I think DDR3 is gonna be affordable by the end of the year because a 2gb kit is only 100$ on newegg but then again the timings suck!

[jbunch07]

AM3 is supposed to be compatible with AM2+ like current AM2+ is backwards compatible with AM2
at least i think it is...but o/t i agree with mussels until video cards take full advantage of pci-e 2.0 then there wont be a need for another slot design...most cards these days barley use all the bandwidth anyway...and i believe 775 is near the end of its lifespan

[bowman]

Socket 775 will be phased out once Nehalem arrives in Q4 this year. Throughout 2009 Nehalem CPUs will fill the entire market segment and leave no room for LGA775.

Nehalem will have many different sockets, unlike Conroe and Penryn:

There remains a significant amount of confusion on the derivatives based on Intel's upcoming Nehalem microarchitecture. A week ago, PC Watch released an article in Japanese on upcoming desktop sockets and CPUs, but it didn't collide perfect with previous rumours and many websites reporting on the news seemed, at best, horribly confused.

So based on our own analysis (and speculation) of existing information, we try to clarify what the actual products will be, and what it will mean for other companies.

Sockets

* Socket 1366: 3xDDR3, External PCI Express, 1-2xQuickPath (Optional 2S?), Q408.
* Socket 1160: 2xDDR3, 16xPCI Express Gen2, DMI (to southbridge, slower than FSB), 1H09.
* Socket 715: No IMC, Optional PCI Express, 1xQuickPath to northbridge, 1H09.

Desktop CPUs

* Bloomfield: Socket 1366, Quad-Core, Ultra-High-End.
* Lynnfield: Socket 1160, Quad-Core, High-End.
* Havendale: Socket 1160, MCM (CPU+GPU/IMC), Dual-Core, Mid-Range.
* ?Havendale?: Socket 715, Dual-Core, Low-End. Northbridges can use DDR2.

Chipsets

* Socket 1366: Northbridge (PCI Express) + ICHx Southbridge (I/O).
* Socket 1160: Single-Chip Southbridge (I/O) aka Ibexpeak PCH.
* Socket 715: NVIDIA: Single-Chip, Intel/SiS: ???

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/540

Nehalem eliminates the FSB and has the memory controller and quickpath interconnects on the CPU die, which means it needs new sockets.

[spearman914]

well i think they will roll out with pci-e 3.0 in the next couple of years but as fas as a completely new slot i dont know about that...and as far as 775 goes its getting kinda old so i would say it doesnt have long either...but who knows?

Huh, wouldn't it make sense if you just release 4.0 instead of 3.0?

[beyond_amusia]

Well, USB 2.0 is getting replaced latter this year with USB 3.0 and it'll be 10x faster than 2.0 DVI is gettig replaced with DisplayPort (an amazing thing really, but many of us STILL use VGA unless we have $ to burn), the PCI-E slots may increase in speed and bandwidth, but they will keep the same form factor, and 775 should be around until Nehalem is launched, at which point a new socket will roll out, but the lower end Nehalem chips will still be 775... =) I read the wikipedia too much!

[spearman914]

Well, USB 2.0 is getting replaced latter this year with USB 3.0 and it'll be 10x faster than 2.0 DVI is gettig replaced with DisplayPort (an amazing thing really, but many of us STILL use VGA unless we have $ to burn), the PCI-E slots may increase in speed and bandwidth, but they will keep the same form factor, and 775 should be around until Nehalem is launched, at which point a new socket will roll out, but the lower end Nehalem chips will still be 775... =) I read the wikipedia too much!

WIKIPEDIA FTW!! LOL

[beyond_amusia]

WIKIPEDIA FTW!! LOL

And the sad part is that I read all that months ago... =/ LOL.

[spearman914]

And the sad part is that I read all that months ago... =/ LOL.

You must have the most amazing brain!!

Cheers :toast: :toast: :toast:

[beyond_amusia]

You must have the most amazing brain!!

Cheers :toast: :toast: :toast:

=D ty! I tend to read anything computer related and music related aswell and I retain it well... =) I want DisplayPort, but I am waiting until the monitors come out fully supporting it... They will be merely LCD panels, not guts needed because all that is on the DisplayPort graphics card, :P So imagine a super thin monitor... =D

[bowman]

Nehalem won't use 775 at all, not even the low-end ones.

[DanTheBanjoman]

its possible pci-e 3.0 will have a new slot but then again its also possible that there will be a completely new expansion slot all together. but im sure 775 wont be around to much longer...there is already talk about AM3...

Doubtful, considering how PCI has existed since the late 486 era (ie over 15 years) and mostly remaining backwards compatible.

As for 775, it'll be gone end of the year, some last low end chips will be released and it will be left to die. AM3 has nothing to do with 775 as it is AMD.

[jbunch07]

Doubtful, considering how PCI has existed since the late 486 era (ie over 15 years) and mostly remaining backwards compatible.

As for 775, it'll be gone end of the year, some last low end chips will be released and it will be left to die. AM3 has nothing to do with 775 as it is AMD.

very true.
im guessing it will most likely be upgraded like it has been(1.0-2.0 and so on). i think it will be a while before pci becomes obsolete.

sorry bout going o/t there

[JrRacinFan]

Even though it is being phased out at the end of this year, how much faster can these computers truly become?

I mean, electricty and data can only move so fast when in a controlled environment, IE in a PC. I may just be speaking in theorhetics, but who here feels the same way that a PC can only go so fast before you cant make it even perform better?

[jbunch07]

Even though it is being phased out at the end of this year, how much faster can these computers truly become?

I mean, electricty and data can only move so fast when in a controlled environment, IE in a PC. I may just be speaking in theorhetics, but who here feels the same way that a PC can only go so fast before you cant make it even perform better?

this a little off topic but that is where fiber optics comes into play ;)

[JrRacinFan]

How is it off-topic, I thought we were talking about hardware being phased out .....

EDIT: Even with fiber-optics you can only go so fast with it as well. But you know my point in the whole situation .... I've always been a budget guy ....

[jbunch07]

How is it off-topic, I thought we were talking about hardware being phased out .....

well the op say pci-e and 775 thats what i thought this thread was about but i was straightened out for it for talking about AMD...see above post ^^

edit: i do think your right though there has do be some limit to how fast data can be transfered between to points...even if its the speed of light

[JrRacinFan]

well the op say pci-e and 775 thats what i thought this thread was about but i was straightened out for it for talking about AMD...see above post ^^

Well look at the OP 939 has nothing to do with Intel either :p

[jbunch07]

hmm good point i didnt notice that...haha
well at anyrate does anyone know what the new socket will be called? the successor to the 775?

[beyond_amusia]

Nehalem won't use 775 at all, not even the low-end ones.

Meh, ur correct... =/ Intel must have changed plans; my bad for not re-reading the wikipedia article... I would have but I've been busy in the real world... All sorts of hell broke loose... =\

[bowman]

hmm good point i didnt notice that...haha
well at anyrate does anyone know what the new socket will be called? the successor to the 775?

I just posted an article. High-end and workstation/small server will use LGA1366, mid-end desktop and laptop will use LGA1160, certain applications will use LGA715.

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/540
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2007/1128/kaigai403.htm
http://www.nehalemnews.com/2008/04/sighting-lga1366-vs-lga775.html

http://news.mydrivers.com/img/20080225/02521697.jpg

[Morgoth]

Pci-e Gen2 :)

http://www.nehalemnews.com/2008/04/article-tylersburg-chipset.html