Crysis and my new 9800GTX

[GJSNeptune]

I came from a Sapphire Radeon x1950 Pro 256MB PCI-E. Crysis auto-detected my performance and set everything to medium. I fire up my new PALiT 9800GTX, auto-detect, and it kept everything at medium.

I don't have FRAPS to verify, but when I turned everything to High, gameplay got really jerky at times.

What's going on?

(And holy cow is the GTX's enclosure hot!)

[DaMulta]

What resolution?

[GJSNeptune]

I think both times it was 1024x768. I'm using the latest ForceWare drivers, 174.74 I believe.

C&C 3 is maxed, but I don't remember what the settings were with my Radeon.

[Urbklr]

Im going to say that it is bottled by your 5000+, what clock speed are you running it at?

[GJSNeptune]

Stock. My ambient temps are too high right now to overclock. More accurately, my computer heats up the room and makes the ambient temps intolerable, both for me and my computer. :D

But I don't think CPU matters as much in this case. Even if it did bottleneck, it can't be that bad. Is Crysis all-or-nothing? As in, would it auto-detect and raise some settings to high and keep others at medium?

[nflesher87]

shouldn't be the 5000+
I played crysis smooth on my 8800GTS 512MB on all high at 1680x1050 with my e2200 at 3.0GHz
either use driver cleaner to clean up your ATI junk (and the current nvidia) and then reinstall or just do a fresh windows install

also real quick are you running it DX9 or 10?

[echo75]

there MUST be a problem mate, Crysis auto detects my system to " HIGH " on all graphic settings even at 1280 x1020 with my 8800GT and your 9800GTX is definately better.

i agree with the suggestion that its your Athlon 5000 thats to blame man.

[GJSNeptune]

Then would it be clockspeed or the chip design?

[nflesher87]

Then would it be clockspeed or the chip design?

want to comment on my post?

[Black Panther]

Something's definitely wrong. My 8800GT also autodetects on high at 1680x1050... and the 9800GTX is definitely better than my GT.

Can you perhaps post a GPU-Z screenie?

Did you run benchmarks like 3dmark? How does your card perform?

[GJSNeptune]

want to comment on my post?

I may wipe drivers and try ForceWare again, but I'm definitely not reinstalling Windows.

[GJSNeptune]

I'm running games in XP, so DX9. As soon as I have some time to burn, I'll go into Vista, wipe drivers, install ForceWare, and benchmark both operating systems.

[DaMulta]

That game can run crappy on Ultra setups.....


I found a mod that had a custom per setups. It helped the game run better BIG TIME.

[GJSNeptune]

Link?

[newtekie1]

Crysis ran smooth on my 8800GTS with my processor at stock @ 1680x1050 on all high. The only time it was jerky was when I first loaded the game. However, AA was set to 2x, anything higher make it stutter from time to time.

What AA settings are you using? AA in Crysis tends to kill cards.

[GJSNeptune]

I don't remember, but AA was probably turned off. Games often default to no AA for me. I installed Tomb Raider: Anniversary that came with the game, and it recommended no AA.

Could it be NVIDIA Control Panel settings? I haven't used an NVIDIA card for years.

[Kei]

I believe you're just having a driver issue is all, not a processor issue. I recently got rid of my 8800GT OC (clocked at 715/1805/2060) using Forceware drivers 169.28 (I believe that was the number but it was 169.xx) and a Phenom 9500 clocked at only 2.55Ghz and when I went to test Crysis the "Optimal Settings" that were given were VERY HIGH using that button in the options menu. Only using 2Gigs of DDR 800 ram clocked at 1020Mhz 5-5-4 2T.

The game on Very High played at just barely under 30fps (~27-30) at my default resolution of the monitor which is 1360*768 (32" LCD). Nothing was changed from my original setup and that's what Crysis said would be optimal. At High settings the game was ~45-50fps, and at Medium...well you can guess that number. I was using DX10 when playing and it ran like butter. I myself was shocked honestly.

Using my current setup the game gives me a Medium rating for Optimal settings and my cpu is leagues faster. I'm using a single HD3870 clocked very high (918/2646Mhz no hardware mods) and my Phenom 9850BE clocked at 3.0Ghz (Northbridge clocked at 2.4Ghz and HT Link also at 2.4Ghz vs. 2.0Ghz for both on Phenom 9500). The ram is clocked at 1000Mhz 5-5-4 2T still using DX10. The game does not run well on Very High (~23fps) and has stutter issues like many have reported when using certain drivers. Every other game plays just fine and at ~60fps with AA/AF on or not. Only Crysis gives me issues now, I've changed to DX9 to see if that was the issue and indeed it did run much better but there are still issues every great once in a while with a stutter. I've tried many other drivers but none of them can quite get it right and this (8.4) seems to work the best for me so far.

K

[GJSNeptune]

Well I think it's a sign that erocker just posted a thread on uninstalling drivers. I'm gonna wipe everything, both NVIDIA and ATI and try ForceWare again.

Is there a general consensus on the best drivers? Stock, Omega, Xtreme?

[Braveheart]

there is no way his 5000+ is bottlenecking it, i have a 6000 X2 and a 512 8800 GTS and there is no bottlenecks going on.

[GJSNeptune]

I'd love to run it at 3.2GHz or higher, but I don't want to full-blast my fans to keep my temps under 50C.

[DaMulta]

Link?
Over in the incrysis forums you'll find the mods.

They really do help the game run a lot better.

[Urbklr]

there is no way his 5000+ is bottlenecking it, i have a 6000 X2 and a 512 8800 GTS and there is no bottlenecks going on.

Throw in a 3GHz C2D, then make that statement

[yogurt_21]

Throw in a 3GHz C2D, then make that statement

typical fanboy statement, I went from an fx-62 to a q6700 and there was no differece in frames on highend games. Only on games I was already havign high frames in. The cpu DOES NOT bottleneck the card in crysis, it's the other way around. A 5000 is plenty capable of 120 frames in that game, but I seriously dobt his 9800gtx can run at that. Now if you;re talking HL2 then you're right the cpu is bottlnecking the card, but really at 200+ frames who cares? I'm really tired of hering the typicall intel fanboy comeout into every post and saying "your AMD is bottlenecking your card" because unless you're planning to run at super high frames it isn't true. AMD's are not that slow. IF he had a P4 he'd still be able to play crysis at reasonable frames (albeit with long load times) Why? because it's the gpu that matters in games NOT THE CPU.

The intel fanboys come out and go "wow look at my 3dmark06 score!" and expect every game to be the same as 3dmark. If that were true, his 9800gtx would look at crysis and laugh going "is that all you got?"

I've run nmy quad at 4GHZ and still not seen an increase from my fx-62 at stock when I game at 1680x1050 with 8x(16x some games)aa and 16xaf. Why? because at that point it's the gpu that is bottlnecking, NOT THE CPU. do me a favor and fire up crysis with your cpu at 3GHZ while runnign fraps and record the frames(leave your gpu settings as they are), then clock your cpu back to stock and do the same thing. your frames won't change.

[spearman914]

What the heck? 1024 x 786 on a 9800 GTX? Possibly drivers?

[farlex85]

Are you forcing anything w/ nvidia's control panel? I usually force 16xaf but I can't w/ crysis. If not, its most likely a driver issue. Make sure your fan is turned up high when playing the game also.

[MikeJeng]

Lol.


Something is wrong.

I have a 9800GTX. It auto detects all high at 1680X1050

[Urbklr]

typical fanboy statement, I went from an fx-62 to a q6700 and there was no differece in frames on highend games. Only on games I was already havign high frames in. The cpu DOES NOT bottleneck the card in crysis, it's the other way around. A 5000 is plenty capable of 120 frames in that game, but I seriously dobt his 9800gtx can run at that. Now if you;re talking HL2 then you're right the cpu is bottlnecking the card, but really at 200+ frames who cares? I'm really tired of hering the typicall intel fanboy comeout into every post and saying "your AMD is bottlenecking your card" because unless you're planning to run at super high frames it isn't true. AMD's are not that slow. IF he had a P4 he'd still be able to play crysis at reasonable frames (albeit with long load times) Why? because it's the gpu that matters in games NOT THE CPU.

The intel fanboys come out and go "wow look at my 3dmark06 score!" and expect every game to be the same as 3dmark. If that were true, his 9800gtx would look at crysis and laugh going "is that all you got?"

I've run nmy quad at 4GHZ and still not seen an increase from my fx-62 at stock when I game at 1680x1050 with 8x(16x some games)aa and 16xaf. Why? because at that point it's the gpu that is bottlnecking, NOT THE CPU. do me a favor and fire up crysis with your cpu at 3GHZ while runnign fraps and record the frames(leave your gpu settings as they are), then clock your cpu back to stock and do the same thing. your frames won't change.

Me, Intel fan? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, your funny:). I went from a 3GHz athlon to my current CPU, Crysis got a good boost in frames(try from 24-34)...and seemed alot smoother.

[HP_dudeman]

yeah, the intels definately outperform the amd

[yogurt_21]

Me, Intel fan? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, your funny:). I went from a 3GHz athlon to my current CPU, Crysis got a good boost in frames(try from 24-34)...and seemed alot smoother.

Alright I'm going to say it, Liar. proof would be nice, but I already know the truth and that is that you're wrong, won't admit it and are making things up.

[PrudentPrincess]

Alright I'm going to say it, Liar. proof would be nice, but I already know the truth and that is that you're wrong, won't admit it and are making things up.

Hey, why don't you guys shut up and get back on topic!

[JC316]

I am going to call driver issues here, even with a slower CPU, the 9800GTX should have plenty of power to run smoothly at 1024x768.

As for the yougurt/urb debate, I say that a 3ghz c2d WILL give better frame rates over a stock 5000+

[DaedalusHelios]

1024x768 is limited by CPU actually. Take the resolution above 1280x1024 or better and the GPU will be used alot more in your case. This is pretty funny actually.:laugh:

You will see higher frames and less stutter at higher resolutions most likely. This rule only applies in your extremely rare situation. Who gets a 9800gtx and and sets their games to 1024x768. :laugh:

Resolutions between 1280x1024 and 1600x1200 will be the safe zone with your rig. Try it!;)

PS. Before some idiot says I am wrong, I really want you to try it. Then we will decide if I am incorrect or not. I want you to have fun with that killer card. :D

I am going to call driver issues here, even with a slower CPU, the 9800GTX should have plenty of power to run smoothly at 1024x768.

As for the yougurt/urb debate, I say that a 3ghz c2d WILL give better frame rates over a stock 5000+

Yeah, I don't know what yogurt is going on about.:laugh:

[GJSNeptune]

Ha. I was just browsing my Add/Remove programs list and I saw Xtreme Catalyst way at the bottom. Whoops!

I'm going through erocker's uninstall thread. I'll report back later. (Took a half-day so I could be here to pick up my new Verizon BlackBerry Curve. :D)

[GJSNeptune]

Uninstalled RivaTuner and NVIDIA display drivers. Deleted temp and prefetch folders. Ran CCleaner's junk cleaner and registry scanner. Installed ForceWare 174.74, didn't do anything in NVIDIA Control Panel.

Crysis still wants Medium. :mad:

[JrRacinFan]

Running any of the latest patches GJS?

[Black Panther]

Sorry for insisting but I'd still run 3dmark06 and see how the card performs vis-a-vis other 9800GTX. Might be there's something wrong with the card and rma'd be the only option... :ohwell:

Edit - and check clocks with GPU-Z. Who knows you might have got a freak card with stock underclock, I dunno

[GJSNeptune]

Running Crysis 1.2.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8075/gpuzlq0.th.jpg (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gpuzlq0.jpg)

[trt740]

Im going to say that it is bottled by your 5000+, what clock speed are you running it at?

no his 5000+ is plenty for all games

[trt740]

I came from a Sapphire Radeon x1950 Pro 256MB PCI-E. Crysis auto-detected my performance and set everything to medium. I fire up my new PALiT 9800GTX, auto-detect, and it kept everything at medium.

I don't have FRAPS to verify, but when I turned everything to High, gameplay got really jerky at times.

What's going on?

(And holy cow is the GTX's enclosure hot!)

Also is your PSU 520watt
, If so your getting close on power

[GJSNeptune]

Doubt it.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=178783

[trt740]

Doubt it.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=178783

You might be right but 520 is low for a 9800 gtx sounds more like drivers or a ram problem.

[GJSNeptune]

It might be coming close to 520W, but it's a top-notch PSU, so I'm not worried. I never thought I'd get a 9800GTX.

I don't think it'd be my memory. It's running at its advertised timings, 4-4-4-12, and passed about one and a half runs of memtest error-free.

Must be drivers, but I have no idea why.

[Urbklr]

Could you post a bench of Crysis?

[GJSNeptune]

I'll see what I can do when I get home tonight.

[Urbklr]

So, is the game smooth at all?

[GJSNeptune]

With Medium settings, yes. When I pushed everything to High, it was jerky in some spots.

[DaMulta]

With Medium settings, yes. When I pushed everything to High, it was jerky in some spots.

It's Crysis Benchmark game of the year. NO SYSTEM PLAYS IT SMOOTH 24/7 on those settings.

[GJSNeptune]

I highly doubt it can't run smoothly on High settings at 1024x768. Maybe a higher res. Maybe even 1280x1024, but jerky gameplay on 1024x768 seems piece-of-cake.

[Urbklr]

It's Crysis Benchmark game of the year. NO SYSTEM PLAYS IT SMOOTH 24/7 on those settings.

Some do:laugh:.....But, a 9800GTX, and a 2.6GHz Athlon i would say will always be jerky in spots

[Urbklr]

Do you run the game in Vista? If so, do you right click it and run it in DX9?

[GJSNeptune]

No, this is still in XP. I haven't bothered with Vista yet since getting the card.

[Urbklr]

I would say, if you bring up around 30 or more FPS in the GPU test, your just fine....and it is normal for it to be jerky in spots. But, if you get like low 20's or less.....something is-a-foot.

[trt740]

Some do:laugh:.....But, a 9800GTX, and a 2.6GHz Athlon i would say will always be jerky in spots

thats has very littler to do with his cpu. he has plenty of cpu power.

[Black Panther]

What is 'jerky' is very subjective. My game gets jerky too on high settings 1680x1050 on rig in system specs when there is a lot of firing going around.

It's more noticeable if you count fps.

Sometimes it's better if you don't count fps at all though... I never realised Oblivion could was jerky before I started using fps counter... :ohwell: It made me see the fps dips. :(

[Urbklr]

thats has very littler to do with his cpu. he has plenty of cpu power.

True, but...not plenty. My 3GHz Athlon, was jerky aswell. My C2D, is not jerky nearly as much, it is much smoother, even at lower clock speeds.

[hayder.master]

no problem crisis allways take the low sitting don't use the max power of card change it to very high and play will i have just like your pc but with gigabyte 8800 gt am play on very high







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[Urbklr]

no problem crisis allways take the low sitting don't use the max power of card change it to very high and play will i have just like your pc but with gigabyte 8800 gt am play on very high

He games at 1024x768+, not 640x480;)

[GJSNeptune]

But I want to game at 1280x1024. Maybe I'll OC to 3.2GHz and see how it fares.

[firehawkxd]

try intel cpu, amd is only good for going to nude sites

[GJSNeptune]

Too bad you decided to hit the Submit button when you were registering.

[SiCk]

Try using CCC config files

[Ekklesis]

Im going to say that it is bottled by your 5000+, what clock speed are you running it at?


I want to clarify something for those who wrote something like this - It's true that for know Intel has the most powerful processors but that's no reason for Intel fanboys to make fun and put AMD processors to blame for all the problems.For example on my X2 4000+ OC at 3GHz,2GB DDR2 & 9600GT it runs very well on 1280x1024 with Shader,Object,Texture on High and rest on medium and still the graphics looks very good due to the fact that te most important settings are set on high;so I say that even at stock speed,the 5000+ blacky should run fine on high with 9800 .Have you tried to clean your system(if the OS is old),defragment or something?

[GJSNeptune]

I keep it very clean, and it's a fresh install as of a couple months ago. I'll see how good of settings I can get with 1280x1024 sometime.

[Urbklr]

I want to clarify something for those who wrote something like this - It's true that for know Intel has the most powerful processors but that's no reason for Intel fanboys to make fun and put AMD processors to blame for all the problems.For example on my X2 4000+ OC at 3GHz,2GB DDR2 & 9600GT it runs very well on 1280x1024 with Shader,Object,Texture on High and rest on medium and still the graphics looks very good due to the fact that te most important settings are set on high;so I say that even at stock speed,the 5000+ blacky should run fine on high with 9800 .Have you tried to clean your system(if the OS is old),defragment or something?

Haha, I'm not an Intel fanboy....I'm an AMD fanboy, I really didn't want to go to Intel, but there just much more powerful. AMD just aren't as smooth and quick as a C2D, its a known fact.

About his issues, if the gameplay at all high is smooth, but gets choppy during say, start of a new area, or in alot of action....that is normal. Most computers experience the same thing, Crysis is a hog.

Could you please post a screenshot of the games in-game benchmark?

[Ekklesis]

I keep it very clean, and it's a fresh install as of a couple months ago. I'll see how good of settings I can get with 1280x1024 sometime.


Try with OC too, to see if it's make a difference but you have some problems there.I don't want to make you to think that it should run very very well or perfect cause in a little proportion the CPU is limiting the entire PC but it shouldn't have so big impact on the performance as you said;so goodluck

[GJSNeptune]

I installed the Crysis Benchmark tool, but haven't gotten around to using it yet.

[Ekklesis]

How many FPS it scores on 1280 all high?Mein (X2 4000+ @ 3GHZ & 9600GT OC) scored 33,5 with 1280 all high but how I've said I lowered a bit to run more smooth.

[Urbklr]

Have you played it at 1280x1024 yet?

[DrPepper]

I reckon its the drivers since I installed 174 I had pretty crappy performance on CoH and now come to think of it CivIV but haven't tested crysis yet.

[DaedalusHelios]

try intel cpu, amd is only good for going to nude sites

Thats hilarious trolling. :laugh:

My 9600gt SLI does fine at High settings in 1600x1200 in Crysis.... so why is the 9800gtx having trouble? :confused:

[Paulieg]

Too bad you decided to hit the Submit button when you were registering.

Couldn't agree with you more here. Why people register to make dumb ass comments like that is beyond me.

[Gam'ster]

I had an issue like this before with an ati card stuttering low FPS......, all it was in the end was to update my MB drivers NB,SB and i had perfect frame rates no stuttering ...etc but i see ur mobo is fairly new, just throwing my 2p into the pot.

Cheers
Gam

[cdawall]

there has to be a driver issue or something i ran 1024x768 all med/high on a 3000+ 1GB of DDR400 and a 7800GS OC :roll: got about 17FPS constant