Mushkin Support Thread

[Zebbo]

I was asked to start Mushkin Support thread here.

We have three representatives here on TechPowerUp forums, me, Duonger and fusionpit. We're here to answer for your questions about Mushkin and our products and to give you support for our products.

Feel free to ask any questions from troubleshooting help to overclocking tips.

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[intel igent]

zebbo waz up? welcome and thank you for providing this service to us :toast:

could you reccomend me some ram for i865/i875 to run @ high frequency while maintaining low latencies and running 1:1 (stable), my VX is bugging me.

voltage is not a problem ive got a booster.

thnx

[Zebbo]

Anytime :)

Since UTT never worked that good with Intel chipsets I would recommend TCCD for you if you can't get your hands into any good old BH-5. Also both Redline HP3200 and Redline XP4000 has gone EOL and we don't manufacture them anymore.

In my opinion TCCD is your best bet if you can't get BH-5.

[intel igent]

bh-5/tccd would be my best bet?

what chips were being used on the redlines? how come EOL?

thnx zebbo

[Zebbo]

Yes, BH-5 and TCCD would be your best bet. Personally I would try to find some nice clocking 2x512Mb BH-5 modules since 2x256Mb is no good for anything else than benching anymore.

With 865/875 chipset the timings affects more to performance than they do on A64 so I would try to get that BH-5 somewhere and if you can't possibly find any, just go with TCCD :)

[intel igent]

what chips were being used on the redlines? how come EOL?


:confused:

[Steven B]

utt ch5, and its EOL because that die isnt being manufactured anymore (to my understanding), if you want some my local microcenter still sells it. Shoot me a pm if your interested.

[Zebbo]

utt ch5, and its EOL because that die isnt being manufactured anymore (to my understanding), if you want some my local microcenter still sells it. Shoot me a pm if your interested.

That is pretty much how the story goes

[intel igent]

utt ch5, and its EOL because that die isnt being manufactured anymore (to my understanding), if you want some my local microcenter still sells it. Shoot me a pm if your interested.

thnx for the offer :toast:

[G.T]

Hello Mushkin geek type people http://ganjataz.com/Forum/images/smiles/wave.gif

I was on your site earlier eyeing up RAM for my system. (Currently running 1GB and a half of mediocre/cheapo stuff)

After browsing for a while and using your Analysis tool doofer I spyed this:

Mushkin (991434) 2 Gb HP3200 Dual Pack 2 3 2 (2 x 1GB)

Now, if I give my ASUS P4S800D-X/Asus P4P800-E Deluxe 4 sticks of this it should fly right?
(it/they can take 4GB of RAM)

I am not (really) a gamer (Shock horror and yes I am a freak) however I do use Bryce, Paintshoppro w/FraxFlame plug-in and a lot of other image editing software like Fireworks etc and I multi task while using all of the above running at the same time a lot.

The other day I maxxed out of RAM (One was not amused) while working away so hence shopping about for RAM up to the task.

So oh Guru's of the Mushkin kit, what say you?
Will it allow me to do what I need to do with no quibbles and no holds barred no matter how hard I push it without OC'ing it. & will it also make enough Case modders make the appropriate "oohs" and "Ahhhhs" and cause suitable amounts of dribble when I mention I got 4 Gigs of your bad boy kit in my rig?

(Bearing in mind you sell me kit and it sucks I am an Infantry trained soldier and can take your head off from 800m with a 5.56mm rifle.) http://ganjataz.com/Forum/images/smiles/ebil.gif

[Duonger]

those should work well. the are very stable memory built with infineon chips. and the latency should allow you to do things faster also.

Duonger

[G.T]

http://ganjataz.com/01smileys/images/smileys/GT-Thumbsup-oddsmilerwithunionjackcap.gif

Good enough for me.

Thanks.

[G.T]

/ordered a set

Should arrive Tuesday. =]

[G.T]

It arrive.
It got installed.
It's sweet as.

Many thanks. =]

/one happy punter

[dunnleed08]

i am about to buy a two gb kit and i was wondering would these mushkin sticks.....N82E16820146366 ....be good for an all around gaming and media center pc...w/no over clocking.....nevermind...i bought corsair

[Zebbo]

Hello to you all,

I had a little holiday and I was few weeks away. However, I'm back now and here to help you all and I'm ready to answer for your questions :)

[G.T]

Any chance of a discount on my next 2 gigs of uber groovey Musking RAM? ;)

[Zebbo]

As far as I know I'm not authorized to give permission for discounts, I'm sorry :(

[Steevo]

What has you gots for low latentcy uber high speed?

Something in 2Gb kit, 3.3.3.7ish, and DDR500 with a little headroom?

[Zebbo]

We got Redline XP4000 2x1GB using timings of 3-3-2-8, here's the link (http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=273) for the product page.

[Rammsteiner]

Im also thinking to get that kit. But I want to be 100% sure its going to do 290Mhz... Can I be that for at least 99%?

[Zebbo]

There's only very very very few amount modules that will do the 290MHz 3D stable. Average is pretty much from 260 to 280. Personally I haven't even seen a CE-6 chips doing 290MHz 3D stable. I've heard but I haven't seen.

The problem is on the chips and they can't take that high of an frequency, so it's all about the batch Infineon sends to us. I guess the chance to get kit that will do is about 3-5% no matter the manufacturer. Chips just can't take it.

[Rammsteiner]

Ok, thx for you reply :D. I read in Anandtech's 2GB round up (part 2) they reached 293Mhz 3-3-2-7/8 @ 2.8V. Oh well, its still a nice kit :toast:.

[Zebbo]

Oh, so it seems. I was not aware of that at all :D However, looking good :)

[Solaris17]

hey zebbo can u reccomend me plain DDR ram like 3200+ maybe? not hard care ocing ram or anything 2x512 decent timing ram would be awsome any thing u would reccomend naturally i can look but since you here..............

[Zebbo]

XP3200 2-2-2

Works at DDR400 with tight timings and by loosening timings up to 2,5-3-3 they usually hit +260MHz. Potential is there if you happen to need it.

[Solaris17]

exellent thnx so much that will do wondefully

[steelballzz]

hello
i hope i am in the right place
here it goes

i just got my 3rd pair of redlines 4000 after 5,5 months waiting for the rma
slap the little monsters into the slots and run a few loops of memtest....all was ok so i went to remove the memory to shipp to the next owner.....and i was shocked
the heatspreaders just went off and the memory stayed in the slot......:eek:

brand new ones.....what am i suppose to do now

did i lost my warranty.......i didnt force anything.....the heatspreaders were loose

plz help me out on this

thnxs

[Duonger]

hello
i hope i am in the right place
here it goes

i just got my 3rd pair of redlines 4000 after 5,5 months waiting for the rma
slap the little monsters into the slots and run a few loops of memtest....all was ok so i went to remove the memory to shipp to the next owner.....and i was shocked
the heatspreaders just went off and the memory stayed in the slot......:eek:

brand new ones.....what am i suppose to do now

did i lost my warranty.......i didnt force anything.....the heatspreaders were loose

plz help me out on this

thnxs

I think it might just be the thermal tape. we can swap it out for you. Sorry about the inconvenience.

Tom

[D_o_S]

Hi,

Around 1/2 year back, I purchased some Mushkin Redline XP4000. On the blister pack, it says 1GB XP4000 Redline.... what chips are these? TCCD or UTT? What V can I give them?

TIA

[Duonger]

the 4000 were built with ch-utt chips. and speed bin to run at 4000.

[D_o_S]

the 4000 were built with ch-utt chips. and speed bin to run at 4000.

So 3.5V?

[ryboto]

I already got a reply from Mushkin cust. support, but, when can we expect to see DDR2-800 modules available? I plan on upgrading to an AM2 socket system when the low power X2's come out, and I'd love to stick with mushkin for my next memory purchase..

[infrared]

think you mean ddr2-8000 = 1ghz :D

Hey, would it be possible to get mushkin pc2-8000 to review when it's released? Hopefully i'll be getting some corsair pc2-8500, and some ocz pc2-8000 ro review soon, and i'd love to get some mushkin memory to put through it's paces. Do you know when it will be released?

[ryboto]

think you mean ddr2-8000 = 1ghz :D

are you joking? PC6400(ddr2-800)

[Zebbo]

Hi,

Around 1/2 year back, I purchased some Mushkin Redline XP4000. On the blister pack, it says 1GB XP4000 Redline.... what chips are these? TCCD or UTT? What V can I give them?

TIA

It is warrantied up to 3.5V


For all the DDR2 questions, we have a lot new parts going through tests but for the availability I can't say nothing yet.

Here's result of one DDR2 product we're going to release in near future (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/Duonger/eabefe90.jpg)

[Ketxxx]

hey zebbo, just thought id big it up to a fellow mushkin tech rep :D

[Zebbo]

hey zebbo, just thought id big it up to a fellow mushkin tech rep :D

Welcome friend :toast:

[Ketxxx]

Ta m8ty :D

[Jimmy 2004]

Better edit your starting post to add Ketxxx then Zebbo?!

[Ketxxx]

Its cool, I stand out a bit more now I got a pic of me up :cool:

[dj_dn]

Hi I own a pair of Mushkin XP PC4000 2GB kit. The problem here is that I can’t run it at 2.8volts because I own an ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 and the max voltage for it is 2.7volts. When I don’t OC my processor I can (DDR 400 on both CPU and ram, with 3-4-3-8 1T) run memtest86+ for 8 hours (I shut it down). I know it’s not my CPU its Opteron 165 stepping CCBBE 0610 (runs Prime 95 for 8 hours at 2.7 GHz, fsb 300 with ram divider because of low voltage). My CPU never goes over 49C under load idle at 35.

So my question is, until I hard mod my mobo for 2.85volts, what speed and timings should I run it at when at 2.7 volts because at ddr 500 with stock timings the computer locks up at random times even when I am doing nothing to hard for the computer, browsing and listening to music.

At the same time are my rails normal under load, see pic.

Ill be back with full results of every test I am doing.

[Zebbo]

I replied into your other thread as well but I can clarify it more here.

The issue is Command Per Clock and AsRock board you have is known to have problems with it. Command rate however is not a memory timing you have used to seen (CAS, TRCD, TRP and so on), but its timing used to control latency on the memory controller. If you want to go with 1T, I'm afraid you would have to get a new motherboard.

For UCCC overclocking in most cases best overclocks has been seen with 2.65-2.75V and 2.8V does nothing else but decreases the OC. Try to start from 2.6V and make your way up from there.

[bchivers]

I have Mushkin PC3200 LII V2 1GB XP3200 (2x512) in slots 1 and 2 on a MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum nForce4 Ultra board. I can't run at stock timmings I have to use 2.5-4-4-8 @ 1T and 2.75 or 2.8 volts (I think), don't know if it is the board or the ram. I have been thinking about switiching to a dfi lanparty ut nf4 ultra d do you think it would run any better on this board?:toast:

[Ketxxx]

Try 2.8v vdimm and check for any bios updates for your board. if you list all current memory settings we can help more ;)

[bchivers]

Try 2.8v vdimm and check for any bios updates for your board. if you list all current memory settings we can help more ;)
Tried 2.8v, I do have the latest bios and not sure what you mean by "if you list all current memory settings". Would that be 2.5-4-4-8?

[Ketxxx]

if you look in your bios you will find something with a heading like "memory timings" or "dram paramaters" or something like that, enter that page and thats what i mean by current memory timings ;)

[bchivers]

Here's what I could find.
2.5-4-4-8
TRC12
TRFC24t
TRRD - Auto
1T
Read preable value - 6ns
Async latency - 6ns.

[bchivers]

Here's what I could find.
2.5-4-4-8
TRC12
TRFC24t
TRRD - Auto
1T
Read preable value - 6ns
Async latency - 6ns.
If you need something else let me know, Thanks.:toast:

[Zebbo]

I assume he meant alpha timings: Trrd, Twr, Twtr, Trwt + other memory settings.

If I remember right MSI K8N Neo4 has those available in BIOS.

If you can, download CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz/) and check you are using correct memory slots and that memory is in dual channel mode.

[bchivers]

I assume he meant alpha timings: Trrd, Twr, Twtr, Trwt + other memory settings.

If I remember right MSI K8N Neo4 has those available in BIOS.

If you can, download CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz/) and check you are using correct memory slots and that memory is in dual channel mode.
Here are the results from CPU-Z. It looks like I am in the right slots and DDR mode.

[Ketxxx]

can you download and post a screenshot of A64 tweaker? its more detailed than cpu-z :)

[bchivers]

can you download and post a screenshot of A64 tweaker? its more detailed than cpu-z :)
Hope this is what you need.

[bchivers]

Bump.:toast:

[Zebbo]

Download A64Info here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96678

Set memory voltage to 2.7-2.8V and these in BIOS as well as rated timings:
Trc - 7
Trfc - 15
TRRD - 2 or 3
1T
Read preable value - 5ns
Async latency - 7ns

Once you have download A64Info, take a screen and post it as attachment here. It might be Drive Strength settings are way off.

[bchivers]

Thanks Zebbo, I really appreciate your help. Here are the attachments you asked for.:toast:

[Zebbo]

Didnt you have a problem to get it run at stock timings and voltage? Judging from the screenshot you are at 287MHz for memory?

[bchivers]

Didnt you have a problem to get it run at stock timings and voltage? Judging from the screenshot you are at 287MHz for memory?
I can't get it to run at stock timmings. I ran memtest64 at stock and got all kinds of errors. I have crashes and freeze ups at the present timmings. I have set it to the specs you recommened and so far have not had any problems. Thanks.

Edit: Not sure if this is your area of expertice if not then no need to reply. I don't know how to set my virtual memory for the best performance, I have read to many conflicting articles, am a little confused.

[Zebbo]

I can't get it to run at stock timmings. I ran memtest64 at stock and got all kinds of errors. I have crashes and freeze ups at the present timmings. I have set it to the specs you recommened and so far have not had any problems. Thanks.

Edit: Not sure if this is your area of expertice if not then no need to reply. I don't know how to set my virtual memory for the best performance, I have read to many conflicting articles, am a little confused.

Drive Strength settings are very important to gain stability especially with modules based on TCCD chips.

I would start by trying:
DRAM Drive Strength: Weak
DRAM Data Drive Strength: Level 2 (Reduced 30%) / Level 3 (Reduced 15%)

As for pagefile its better to leave it enabled on system that is used for something else than plain benchmarking.

[bchivers]

Drive Strength settings are very important to gain stability especially with modules based on TCCD chips.

I would start by trying:
DRAM Drive Strength: Weak
DRAM Data Drive Strength: Level 2 (Reduced 30%) / Level 3 (Reduced 15%)

As for pagefile its better to leave it enabled on system that is used for something else than plain benchmarking.
Again Zebbo thank you for your help. I'm sure this will make a difference will post back later after I try it out. . As for pagefile I will assume you meant to let Windows control the setting and amount.
Thank you B.Chivers :respect:

[bchivers]

It seems to be somewhat better then it was, thanks.
I would start by trying:
DRAM Drive Strength: Weak
DRAM Data Drive Strength: Level 2 (Reduced 30%) / Level 3 (Reduced 15%)
You said start by trying, what do you recommend after I have tried this?

[bchivers]

I can set the settings you recommended with A64INFO which is good until I reboot but I tried to set them permanently in the bios and it wouldn't post. Had to clear CMOS. Some of the settings are not in my bios, wonder if that had anything to do with it (dram drive strength and dram data drive strength)?

[Zebbo]

I can set the settings you recommended with A64INFO which is good until I reboot but I tried to set them permanently in the bios and it wouldn't post. Had to clear CMOS. Some of the settings are not in my bios, wonder if that had anything to do with it (dram drive strength and dram data drive strength)?

It should not have anything to do with it since it wipes out whatever changes you have done once you reboot the system. Drive Strengths are values that can be very sensitive with some of the modules and will help you fine-tune your overclock, however all manufacturers doesnt include such settings on their bioses. DFI and few ATI branded boards are only one that has nice selection of different Drive Strength settings.

[Ketxxx]

I can set the settings you recommended with A64INFO which is good until I reboot but I tried to set them permanently in the bios and it wouldn't post. Had to clear CMOS. Some of the settings are not in my bios, wonder if that had anything to do with it (dram drive strength and dram data drive strength)?

What DDR frequency are you attempting to run at?

ed- pm me if you want with some details and i'll make some more suggestions. im so busy keeping an eye out for folk having mushy memory probs i often clean forget about this thread :o

[gR3iF]

for you:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=105089

wr atm

[Zebbo]

for you:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=105089

wr atm

Some nice numbers :)

[g12rxz]

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=276

would this memory be able to handle (380) 760mhz @ 2.0 volts with the 3-3-3-10 timings?

[Zebbo]

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=276

would this memory be able to handle (380) 760mhz @ 2.0 volts with the 3-3-3-10 timings?

Most of the modules will require 2.1V for that or even 2.2V but I cant guarantee you will get it. What I can guarantee is PC5300 (DDR667) with 3-3-3-10 timings.

[AleksandarMartinov]

Got any oppinion on 2X512 Corsair TwinX 3200C2PRO?

[Duonger]

Got any oppinion on 2X512 Corsair TwinX 3200C2PRO?

hmmm??? :confused:

[AleksandarMartinov]

No really,as your competition u must've tried it.I'm just interested in how much o/c can they take.I really wanted to get Mushkin but i can't find ones in Macedonia(Macedonia is north neighbour of Greece in case you wondered)

[layt]

I just ordered a new E6400 system, and was looking for ram when I found a Mushkin 2x1G kit for $275 (im in Australia). The description given is DDR2 2048MB (2x1G) 5300 667Mhz Mushkin, 5-5-5-15. I hope its not a pricing error, its by far the cheapest 2Gig kit ive found anywhere. Could you possibly give me a link to some more detailed info on this stuff? Im using this system at home mainly for gaming and a bit of video editing/encoding etc This ram should give me reasonable performance for the price?? (I cant really justify spending twice as much for 6400 etc). How much difference is actually noticeable for what im using it for?
(Decided to order it anyway, done and done).

[Pacha]

Hello, I've just had one of my redline XP4000 2-2-2 UTT kit stick which has gone dead,

I sent an email to support_at_mushkin.com (to ask for an RMA) including the reference of the kit, the invoice, the descriptions of the problem and of my system specs.

Is everything ok with this form and must I send the two modules back to Mushkin? and where (I live in Paris)? I don't have any other kit to substitute during the shipping/return time, at the moment I'm happy with running on one module rather than none.
As I guess these modules aren't produced any more, am I going to receive a new kit like mine or another kind of kit?

[Pacha]

thanks zebbo for support,

problem solved (coldboot) with great efficiency :toast:

[Zebbo]

No problem :)

[Duonger25]

I apologize to the member of Techpowerup. KET has stepped above his ground. Mushkin is not hear to slander or comment on other company's products. We are here to survive on our merits and work closely with the community to better our products. Ket is young and eager and he has stepped above his means. I will speak to him and settle this matter. Please accept my sincere apologies.

You can contact me to comment on this if you need. My email is tom@mushkin.com

Tom

[pt]

I apologize to the member of Techpowerup. KET has stepped above his ground. Mushkin is not hear to slander or comment on other company's products. We are here to survive on our merits and work closely with the community to better our products. Ket is young and eager and he has stepped above his means. I will speak to him and settle this matter. Please accept my sincere apologies.

You can contact me to comment on this if you need. My email is tom@mushkin.com

Tom

so that's why he lost is mushkin tech support user name


anyways my doubt is:
how much will this ram overclocks with 1.95vdimm?
if i can get any overclock at all
http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=347

would this run at 1.95vdimm?
http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=276


thanks in advance ;)

[Judas]

Why not get the same kit i have, but in 2gb version .. you will get a little bit more performance out of it

think that kit you were looking at wont run at 1.95v
it says here 2.1 -2.3v

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Mushkin/XP2-5300/1

yeah i have noticed that ket has been missing ...hope he comes back soon

[pt]

Why not get the same kit i have, but in 2gb version .. you will get a little bit more performance out of it

think that kit you were looking at wont run at 1.95v
it says here 2.1 -2.3v

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Mushkin/XP2-5300/1

yeah i have noticed that ket has been missing ...hope he comes back soon


doesn't have money to buy 2gb i'm going for some adata ones, since the guys at the shop where they sell the mushkin ones doesn't anser the phones nor emails :banghead:

[bchivers]

Not sure what to set the timing at for this board. With my MSI board I was able to run at 500mhz without any problems but since I switched to a DFI board I am unable to run at 466mhz without crashing.

[DIBL]

"Serial Presence Detect failed or information missing - will attempt to set configuration ...." (approximate verbiage)

This is what my new Intel BOXDXBXLKR mobo posted on the first boot attempt with a set of Mushkin Redline modules (p/n 996525). It then proceeded to set the Redlines up as 512 MB each, even though they are labeled and advertised as 1 GB each. I played around raising the memory voltage to 2.2V, but it didn't make any difference. Upon seeing my CPU-Z screen shots and the Intel mobo utility screen shots which showed that I had downloaded and flashed the latest BIOS version, the excellent support folks at Mushkin quickly provided an RMA number and the modules are on their way back, to be replaced. They think maybe it was a SPD-writing error in producing the modules.

But, I'm wondering if there is an issue with this particular mobo/BIOS and the fast Mushkin Redlines? Or in general? Could my PCI Express-16 nVidia card be involved in this little snafu? If it wasn't a Mushkin QA problem, then I'm still going to have the problem when a replacement set of Redlines appears. All advice welcome!

[Fusionpit]

Mushkin QA problem!

If you are the individual that called our Tech support hotline, then yes, it was simply a programming error. If the module is programmed as our 991524, when it it a 991525, then it will only show the amount of space as set by the SPD information.

[DIBL]

Yes, I got great support from the Mushkin hotline folks -- no complaint whatsoever.

But, I don't get the "SPD failed ..." part of it -- I would have expected a "successful" detection of the "wrong" part, if the 975X were simply fooled into thinking they were p/n 991525.

No?

[Fusionpit]

Yes, I got great support from the Mushkin hotline folks -- no complaint whatsoever.

But, I don't get the "SPD failed ..." part of it -- I would have expected a "successful" detection of the "wrong" part, if the 975X were simply fooled into thinking they were p/n 991525.

No?

It's possible that the SPD was not written correctly when it was programmed. Were both sticks saying the same thing?

[DIBL]

Yes, they appeared to be a matched pair of 512 MB sticks. But that was after I accepted the BIOS error and let it configure the memory.

[bchivers]

Bump

[Zebbo]

Not sure what to set the timing at for this board. With my MSI board I was able to run at 500mhz without any problems but since I switched to a DFI board I am unable to run at 466mhz without crashing.

Are the specs same with info that can be found from your system specs?

[bchivers]

Are the specs same with info that can be found from your system specs?
Sorry but I don't understand your question.:confused:

[Urlyin]

Sorry but I don't understand your question.:confused:

In order to provide better support he's asking if the info about your system in your systems specs are what you're asking the timing question about ..

[bchivers]

In order to provide better support he's asking if the info about your system in your systems specs are what you're asking the timing question about ..

Thank you for the explanation. Yes the info is up to date and those are the settings I am asking about.

[bchivers]

Bump

[Zebbo]

I apology the delay.

Set memory voltage to 2.7V-2.8V and here's some settings:

Tcl: 2.5
Trcd: 3
Tras: 7
Trp: 3
Trc: 7
Trfc: 14-15
Trrd: 2-3
Twr: 2
Twtr: 1
Trwt: 2-3
Tref: 3120

DRAM Drive Strength: 7
DRAM Data Drive Strength: 2
Max. Async. Lat.: 8ns
Read Preamble: 5ns
Idle Cycle Limit: 16
Dynamic Counter: Enable
R/W Bypass: 16x
Bypass Max: 7x

[kelticknight]

have mushkin pc3500 level2 black ddr
have dfi cfx3200 mobo
have 4x512 sticks
can get only 2 sticks to run on mobo
set mobo to t2,get 3 x512 sticks ,some times get hardware prob with blue screen
,cant get 4 x512 sticks to run
any ideas mushkin people

[Dippyskoodlez]

have mushkin pc3500 level2 black ddr
have dfi cfx3200 mobo
have 4x512 sticks
can get only 2 sticks to run on mobo
set mobo to t2,get 3 x512 sticks ,some times get hardware prob with blue screen
,cant get 4 x512 sticks to run
any ideas mushkin people

Probably a DFI bios issue.. But set latencys looser (2.5-3-3 for starters) since I'm not sure if you have the BL II tccd, or BH-5. I dunno how BH-5 reacts to CAS of 3.

4 sticks WILL require looser timings, E6 CPU's may handle it a lot better than previous ones, but its still a lot to pull..

[kelticknight]

bh-5

[Urlyin]

have mushkin pc3500 level2 black ddr
have dfi cfx3200 mobo
have 4x512 sticks
can get only 2 sticks to run on mobo
set mobo to t2,get 3 x512 sticks ,some times get hardware prob with blue screen
,cant get 4 x512 sticks to run
any ideas mushkin people

have you tried to set drive strength to 10 or higher and data strength to 50% ... also increase the HTBus Reciever Impedance to at least 10, I'm running 14 with my 2gb Redline... I've had 4 dimms running on this mobo ... might still have the BIOS settings saved ... I'll post them for you if I get a chance ....

[kelticknight]

have you tried to set drive strength to 10 or higher and data strength to 50% ... also increase the HTBus Reciever Impedance to at least 10, I'm running 14 with my 2gb Redline... I've had 4 dimms running on this mobo ... might still have the BIOS settings saved ... I'll post them for you if I get a chance ....

try tomorrow as have to do 12 hr work shift
only disabled command per clock
left rest on auto

[Dippyskoodlez]

try tomorrow as have to do 12 hr work shift
only disabled command per clock
left rest on auto

Thats why.

SPD for those sticks: 2-2-2-5

4x 512 @ 2-2-2-5 is awefully hard to maintain.

[kelticknight]

Thats why.

SPD for those sticks: 2-2-2-5

4x 512 @ 2-2-2-5 is awefully hard to maintain.

never had to change my default seting in bios for memory before
when you say,2-2-2-5
theres so much more to the dfi cfx3200 mobo as far as settings go
must check out how to apply setting in cfx3200,will see if i can find settings for mushkin pc3500 somewhere

[Dippyskoodlez]

never had to change my default seting in bios for memory before
when you say,2-2-2-5
theres so much more to the dfi cfx3200 mobo as far as settings go
must check out how to apply setting in cfx3200,will see if i can find settings for mushkin pc3500 somewhere

2-2-2-5 are the basic settings most if not all mobos give you.. starting with the CAS..

I believe its listed 2-2-5-2 in the DFI bios, but I haven't looked for a while. Its the main 4 timings CPU-z gives you when you view memory settings.

You never had to change them before because 1, 2, and even 3 sticks should be able to handle it fine, probably even 1T with 3.

4 stick, however fully loads both memory controller channels, and pulling super tight timings is too straining on the memory controller for it to work stably. Original A64's had a hard time even running 4 sticks, a new E6 should be able to run 4 pretty easily, but we are still a long ways from 2-2-2-5 1T with 4x 512.

Memory timings below, from zebbo should be fine with 4 sticks...



Set memory voltage to 2.7V-2.8V and here's some settings:

Tcl: 2.5
Trcd: 3
Tras: 7
Trp: 3
Trc: 7
Trfc: 14-15
Trrd: 2-3
Twr: 2
Twtr: 1
Trwt: 2-3
Tref: 3120

DRAM Drive Strength: 7
DRAM Data Drive Strength: 2
Max. Async. Lat.: 8ns
Read Preamble: 5ns
Idle Cycle Limit: 16
Dynamic Counter: Enable
R/W Bypass: 16x
Bypass Max: 7x

[Urlyin]

I don't think 7 for DRAM Drive strength will work on the 3200 with 4 sticks ... at least not from my experience and these boards are suppose to be able to run 4 sticks at 1t ... with no oc however ... I ran 4 sticks of TCCD to 275mhz @2t

[Dippyskoodlez]

I don't think 7 for DRAM Drive strength will work on the 3200 with 4 sticks ... at least not from my experience and these boards are suppose to be able to run 4 sticks at 1t ... with no oc however ... I ran 4 sticks of TCCD to 275mhz @2t

The board, yes.

His CPU, No.

As for the DRAM drive strength, sorry, goin with what looked close :P

[kelticknight]

2-2-2-5 are the basic settings most if not all mobos give you.. starting with the CAS..

I believe its listed 2-2-5-2 in the DFI bios, but I haven't looked for a while. Its the main 4 timings CPU-z gives you when you view memory settings.

You never had to change them before because 1, 2, and even 3 sticks should be able to handle it fine, probably even 1T with 3.

4 stick, however fully loads both memory controller channels, and pulling super tight timings is too straining on the memory controller for it to work stably. Original A64's had a hard time even running 4 sticks, a new E6 should be able to run 4 pretty easily, but we are still a long ways from 2-2-2-5 1T with 4x 512.

Memory timings below, from zebbo should be fine with 4 sticks...

cheers
will give a try,other wise will get mushkin pc4000 redline of 2x1gig sticks,as some have them
my cpu running good,my psu which i expect probs with running great,ca't use uli drivers on cd as system won't run after installing them,using windows drivers ,think older uli drivers windows put in
will check
if i can sort out memory and uli drivers,will be sorted,my bios date is 25/04/06
don't know if getting the newest bios any good,as some have good results and some dont
funny how 3 stick will run,after while get dreaded blue screen ,
will try those settings

[Urlyin]

The board, yes.

His CPU, No.

As for the DRAM drive strength, sorry, goin with what looked close :P

I hear what you are saying but I don't think his cpu is the limiting factor.. the issue would be if he could get better bandwidth at the higher mhz, to run at 1T he'd have to keep the clocks low, as which running 2T and higher clocks he's better off... bottom line is he needs to manual set most of the settings and not use the auto settings...

Keltic if you use MSN ... pm me your addy and we can try to get together and I can help you with your BIOS settings...

Zebbo feel free to jump in here ... :p

[ghost101]

Whats the differnce between 1T and 2T?

[kelticknight]

I hear what you are saying but I don't think his cpu is the limiting factor.. the issue would be if he could get better bandwidth at the higher mhz, to run at 1T he'd have to keep the clocks low, as which running 2T and higher clocks he's better off... bottom line is he needs to manual set most of the settings and not use the auto settings...

Keltic if you use MSN ... pm me your addy and we can try to get together and I can help you with your BIOS settings...

Zebbo feel free to jump in here ... :p
cheers

[Dippyskoodlez]

I hear what you are saying but I don't think his cpu is the limiting factor.. the issue would be if he could get better bandwidth at the higher mhz, to run at 1T he'd have to keep the clocks low, as which running 2T and higher clocks he's better off... bottom line is he needs to manual set most of the settings and not use the auto settings...

Keltic if you use MSN ... pm me your addy and we can try to get together and I can help you with your BIOS settings...

Zebbo feel free to jump in here ... :p



No, the issue is he cant boot! LOL! :toast:

[kelticknight]

have 2 probs
one is if i use 4 x 512 sticks of mushkin pc3500 level 2 black,wont boot,even with commad per clock disabled
at moment only using 2 sticks ,can use 3,after a hour get blue screen with 3 sticks
second problem is have formatted 4 times and installed wins and drivers for hardware,everytime my usb keyboard get disabled
my bios is 25/04/2006
havent tryed new bios yet
this is the biggy
if i install uli drivers off dfi cd like uli ide controller etc,and reboot,sysyem wont boot and have to format again,windows has some ide controller drivers and others replacing the uli ones
need to get full set of uli drivers taht work better what i have ,other wise me mr guinness will be saying hi

[Dippyskoodlez]

have 2 probs
one is if i use 4 x 512 sticks of mushkin pc3500 level 2 black,wont boot,even with commad per clock disabled
at moment only using 2 sticks ,can use 3,after a hour get blue screen with 3 sticks

I'm assuming timings are not changing with the 3rd stick added--- meaning you're getting a loss of stability with that third stick at the same timings. Makes sense with not having a 4th stick booting.

Loosen the overall timings manually and 3 sticks should become stable... then try adding a 4th. :)

[Tatty_One]

Whats the differnce between 1T and 2T?

Please excuse my laziness in not being bothered to write a paragraph in response but I have a bit of a hangover! take your pick out of these 2 links and they will explain all fairly simply:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1637826,00.asp

http://techreport.com/etc/2005q4/mem-latency/index.x?pg=1

[Urlyin]

No, the issue is he cant boot! LOL! :toast:

bottom line then .. I have the mobo and I don't think you do ... I know how much of a pain in the arse it is to setup and using auto settings just don't cut it... throwing out copied timings isn't going to cut it either... this mobo also has memtest built into the BIOS so he can also check his timings before he boots into the OS... I've already given him a great setup guide here (http://www.bleedinedgesupport.com/ocz/forum/showthread.php?t=20506&highlight=DFI+CFX3200+Setup+tweak+guide) ... I have had the problem of not being able to boot into the OS with 4 sticks much less to even get it to boot and have an idea of how to get him going... :p

[Dippyskoodlez]

bottom line then .. I have the mobo and I don't think you do ... I know how much of a pain in the arse it is to setup and using auto settings just don't cut it... throwing out copied timings isn't going to cut it either... this mobo also has memtest built into the BIOS so he can also check his timings before he boots into the OS... I've already given him a great setup guide here (http://www.bleedinedgesupport.com/ocz/forum/showthread.php?t=20506&highlight=DFI+CFX3200+Setup+tweak+guide) ... I have had the problem of not being able to boot into the OS with 4 sticks much less to even get it to boot and have an idea of how to get him going... :p

*points at sig*

DFI NF4. I've also played with many of the NF2's aswell. I'm not new to the whole DFI timing fun ;)

He gets severe instabilitys with 3 sticks, and 4 sticks won't POST. That points to instabilitys in the memory controller and/or settings.

AUTO automatically sets the timings to SPD. The A64 memory controller was supposed to, IIRC, default 4 sticks to a lower speed BECAUSE of this issue, and runnign 4 sticks at ddr400 wasn't possible on the first revision A64's.

DFI's bios probably overrides this feature, if it even still is there. (or if it was maybe a bios feature to begin with).

Auto setting it to 2-2-2-5 (because thats the SPD) was flaky running single or dual sticks on my Winchester, 4 sticks could very well do the same... I had a bunk 2-2-2-5 rated stick, aswell that was unstable at those timings, despite the chips being TCCD.

They aren't really "random" timings. They are mid-range timings intended for stability.

I really doubt he's worried about a little bit of bandwidth right now, he just wants his system to boot and run properly....

Unless DFI's ati chipset has changed the whole A64 memory timing game on me?

[Urlyin]

*points at sig*

DFI NF4. I've also played with many of the NF2's aswell. I'm not new to the whole DFI timing fun ;)

He gets severe instabilitys with 3 sticks, and 4 sticks won't POST. That points to instabilitys in the memory controller and/or settings.

AUTO automatically sets the timings to SPD. The A64 memory controller was supposed to, IIRC, default 4 sticks to a lower speed BECAUSE of this issue, and runnign 4 sticks at ddr400 wasn't possible on the first revision A64's.

DFI's bios probably overrides this feature, if it even still is there. (or if it was maybe a bios feature to begin with).

Auto setting it to 2-2-2-5 (because thats the SPD) was flaky running single or dual sticks on my Winchester, 4 sticks could very well do the same... I had a bunk 2-2-2-5 rated stick, aswell that was unstable at those timings, despite the chips being TCCD.

They aren't really "random" timings. They are mid-range timings intended for stability.

I really doubt he's worried about a little bit of bandwidth right now, he just wants his system to boot and run properly....

Unless DFI's ati chipset has changed the whole A64 memory timing game on me?


I see then, you already have his issues figured out... why did I bother to post anyways

[Dippyskoodlez]

I see then, you already have his issues figured out... why did I bother to post anyways

:confused:

[kelticknight]

ok
didnt get much time to chec out the system as had to do 12 hr grave shift,this is what i have do before comming to work
in bios ,checked opmised setting and enabled command per clock,got rid of dfi logo when booting as pain,only have maxtor 160 gb d-drive installed with windows,2 x512 sticks for now,
instaaled only off dfi cd the maxwell lan drivers and directx 9c till i find out the best uli or what ever drivers to install,let windows install ali drivers to replace uli
booted up system and hung there for 4 mins,if i reboot ,it would always hang for few mins before rebooting,what up with this
the code display on mobo says ff which is said to mean all ok
what a bloody mobo

[Urlyin]

Would appear that there is a known issue with using the ULI raid and it forces the Drive strength to AUTO .. you need to do the BIOS upgrade... more than likely the reason why you are having issues...

[kelticknight]

hey urlyin
been busy at work
got system to work ok with 2 ide drives and 1 sata
windows hardware was looking for sata drivers so ,let it get off cd,it found th uli sata controller driver and loaded it,funny thing ,is windows still calls it Ali sata controller?
everything working good
on memory,mushkin sent me settings to see if i could get all 4x512 to work,still only could get 3 sticks to work,mushkin tech say my pc3500 level2 black has chips that my cfx3200 dont work with,outhside that fact the memory controller would struggle anyways
mushkin say need 2x1gb sticks if i want 2gb memory
hers what my choices are ,tell me what you pick in 1,2,3
2Gb A-Data DDR PC4000 Vitesta Extreme Edition Dual Channel kit
http://www.memory-configurator.com/products/description/2Gb_A_Data_DDR_PC4000_Vitesta_Extreme_Edition_Dual _Channel_kit/index.html
2Gb G.Skill ZX Series DDR PC3200 (DDR400) 2-3-2-5 Dual Channel kit
http://www.memory-configurator.com/products/description/2Gb_G_Skill_ZX_Series_DDR_PC3200-DDR400-2_3_2_5_Dual_Channel_kit/index.html
2Gb Mushkin DDR XP3700 eXtreme Performance 3-3-3-8 Dual Channel kit
http://www.memory-configurator.com/products/description/2Gb_Mushkin_DDR_XP3700_eXtreme_Performance_3_3_3_8 _Dual_Channel_kit/index.html
2Gb Patriot PC3200 Low Latency Dual Channel kit
http://www.memory-configurator.com/products/description/2Gb_Patriot_PC3200_Low_Latency_Dual_Channel_kit/index.html

heres the web page with full 2gb pack ,some out of stock
was looking at mushkin redline,wont be in stock till after xmass
http://www.memory-configurator.com/products/type/Computer_Memory/DDR_RAM/Capacity-2Gb.html

[Urlyin]

Here (http://shop4memory.com/products/ddr-ram.asp)has the Mushkin Redline 2gb Kit in stock 991493... using the same memory in my 3200, no complaints

[kelticknight]

redline 2x1gb

[kelticknight]

Here (http://shop4memory.com/products/ddr-ram.asp)has the Mushkin Redline 2gb Kit in stock 991493... using the same memory in my 3200, no complaints
cheers for find
same company with different sites

[Urlyin]

303.00 EUR
Euro = 401.091 USD
United States Dollars

OUCH! :slap:

The A-DATA maybe a better buy given the price

[kelticknight]

50 euros of difference between the A-DATA AND REDLINE
is the A-DATA any good

[kelticknight]

free delivery

[kelticknight]

timming look better on redline
3-3-2-8
A-DATA is 3-4-4-8

[Urlyin]

timming look better on redline
3-3-2-8
A-DATA is 3-4-4-8

Personal choice would be the Mushkin but A-Data has a good rep, considering I paid half that for my sticks here across the pond in the states I'm not sure that kind of cash is worth it for DDR1 these days, unless of course you plan on keeping the DFI setup for some time... not sure what to expect out of the A-Data but from want I've seen most can get close to or above 270mhz out of the Redline...

[kelticknight]

50 euros between the 2
not sure,if i got a-data,would save a abit,will be keeping a year as next upgrade will have to change cpu and mobo
want to enjoy setup for while before upgrading again
not sure which to get

[Urlyin]

Get the Mushkin then :toast:

[kelticknight]

2 GB CellShock DDR PC4000 3-4-4-8 Dual Channel kit
OR
2Gb A-Data DDR PC4000 Vitesta Extreme Edition Dual Channel kit
dont know much about cellshock
so A-DATA leads

[bankrboy30]

So the memory I recently ordered arrived today...and I have to admit I was a little excited. I got 2x256mb pc100 168pin sdram by Mushkin for my HP PIII 1.ghz machine that previously had only 256mb (128x2)

This is only my second time ever messing with memory and the first time I didn't have any problems so I guess this is my "First Time" meaning I have no idea where to begin :-(

Basically boots but not to windows (oh I should mention I'm running WinXP Pro (but I don't have SP2) -- I end up at the boot screen where you have the options to choose SAFE MODE, LAST KNOWN GOOD, etc. etc.

No matter what I choose I end up back at that screen so I tried just one of the 256 sticks...that works fine...so I checked the other by itself and that works fine...then I tried 1 256 and 1 128stick in slots 1 and 2 respectively and they work fine together so I'm kind of at a loss. Obviously both slots work and both sticks, but not together !!

I'm still hangin on to the excitement a little but its fading fast -- please HELP !!

[pt]

So the memory I recently ordered arrived today...and I have to admit I was a little excited. I got 2x256mb pc100 168pin sdram by Mushkin for my HP PIII 1.ghz machine that previously had only 256mb (128x2)

This is only my second time ever messing with memory and the first time I didn't have any problems so I guess this is my "First Time" meaning I have no idea where to begin :-(

Basically boots but not to windows (oh I should mention I'm running WinXP Pro (but I don't have SP2) -- I end up at the boot screen where you have the options to choose SAFE MODE, LAST KNOWN GOOD, etc. etc.

No matter what I choose I end up back at that screen so I tried just one of the 256 sticks...that works fine...so I checked the other by itself and that works fine...then I tried 1 256 and 1 128stick in slots 1 and 2 respectively and they work fine together so I'm kind of at a loss. Obviously both slots work and both sticks, but not together !!

I'm still hangin on to the excitement a little but its fading fast -- please HELP !!


post your full system specs so we can help you ;)

[bankrboy30]

Updated...sorry I was trying to spare myself the embarassment I think

[pt]

Updated...sorry I was trying to spare myself the embarassment I think

you have to click in the usercp section for us to see it ;)
it's not showing

[s1rrah]

i LOVE mushkin ram!!

...

(why aren't more folks talking about it!?)

[bankrboy30]

Done...I found a little more information on my own in the meanwhile...not sure if it matters but here goes

I ordered PC 100 (someone's memory adviser spec'd that originally - but I don't remember what site I was on)

Anyway mushkin's memory adviser things comes up with a different part number for my comp...the only difference being its PC 133

Does this matter...technically wouldn't I be running slower memory so that should be alright as long as both sticks are the same speed

[pt]

beign pc 133 is even better i don't know if it will prevent boot
is your mobo named cognac? :wtf:

[bankrboy30]

My old Memory says PC 100 on it too...so yeah I don't think thats the problem

And yes it says Cognac on the board and when I run the advisor on mushkin it runs this program that retrieves all the details of your system and thats what it came up with too...its what came with my HP

[rizzo]

maybe try clearing cmos? Is it recognizing both sticks at boot when it runs memory check?

[bankrboy30]

How would I go about cleaning my CMOS or updating for that matter?

I feel like the MoBo is recognizing the memory it reads 511mb systen memory passed when it first boots (it always read one less that what I have ie. 255 when I had 256 installed)...but as I mention I never boot to windows

This is why I feel the problem is more on the Windows side of things and less with my Mobo but I honestly have no experience so I'm not sure if that is good logic or not

[bankrboy30]

So I fugured out how to reset my CMOS just through constant reading I came across that info...also I've discovered that even though HP specs that the Pavillion xt858 can do 512mb, it has been a common problem that the BIOS needs to be updated so that XP can boot properly with the max memory installed.

Unfortunately while there is tons of info / updates for various HP systems with this Trigem Cognac board, no bios update is available from HP for my machine...more than likely because it shipped with Win ME (Which as soon as XP came out I replaced) so since the issue occurs with XP and my computer was never available from HP with that OS, they don't offer any support for this Config.

I've read some people caution that you should not use an update that is not specific to my model, but I feel that later HP's that had my same board that had my same problem which do offer a bios update from HP because these PC's shipped with XP so I'm thinking it would make sense that I could update my bios with one of those patches and should be good to go.

To make matters worse apparently my floppy drive which I haven't used in probably at least 5 yrs no longer works...I ordered a cheap one so I can do this when it comes in but until then I'm just running my machine with 256 in slot one and 128 iin slot 2.

--J

[rizzo]

You can update bios on a thumbdrive also but im not sure of the program you use. If you do flash your board be sure to make a copy of your current bios in case you need to flash back to original. Make sure you read any faqs available for the flash progaram you use.

[bankrboy30]

Its a good thing I'm naturally insanely curious...because I had never intended to get so involved in this but now that I'm in I wanna keep goin -- so how could I do that with a thumb drive how can I backup my bios in general because that seems like a really good idea but I wouldn't even know how to begin

[Brother Esau]

I just got my kit and I am checking it out @ 200:1:1 to see what it can do ! So far I am stable at these settings @ 200:1:1 Prime 95 and H.C.I MemTest for 8hrs

P.S You guys should never use a program in windows to flash you're bios or Make any kind of value changes from Windows either...Thats not a Good thing and it can corrupt you're cmos chip!

Genie BIOS Settings

FSB Bus Frequency............................. - 275
LDT/FSB Frequency Ratio....................... - x3
CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio....................... - 10
PCI eXpress Frequency......................... - 105Mhz

CPU VID StartUp Value......................... - 1.425

CPU VID Control............................... - 1.375
CPU VID Special Control....................... - auto
LDT Voltage Control........................... - 1.20v
Chip Set Voltage Control...................... - 1.52
DRAM Voltage Control.......................... - 2.64v
DRAM Configuration Settings:

DRAM Frequency Set............................ - 200:1:1
Command Per Clock (CPC)....................... - Enable
CAS Latency Control (Tcl)..................... - 3
RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd)..................... - 3
Min RAS# active time (Tras)................... - 8
Row precharge time (Trp)...................... - 2
Row Cycle time (Trc).......................... - 8 Bus Clocks
Row refresh cyc time (Trfc)................... - 15 Bus Clocks
Row to Row delay (Trrd)....................... - 02 Bus Clocks
Write recovery time (Twr)..................... - 02 Bus Clocks
Write to Read delay (Twtr).................... - 01 Bus Clocks
Read to Write delay (Trwt).................... - 03 Bus Clocks
Refresh Period (Tref)......................... - 4708 Cycles
DRAM Bank Interleave.......................... - Enabled

DQS Skew Control.............................. - Auto
DQS Skew Value................................ - 0
DRAM Drive Strength........................... - 8
DRAM Data Drive Strength...................... - 2
Max Async Latency............................. - 7
DRAM Response Time............................ - normal
Read Preamble Time............................ - 5.5
IdleCycle Limit............................... - 64 Cycles
Dynamic Counter............................... - Enable
R/W Queue Bypass.............................. - 16 x
Bypass Max.................................... - 07 x
32 Byte Granularity........................... - Disable(4 Bursts)



[color=green]==========

[bankrboy30]

So I took a big risk and updated my bios with a file from HP for another machine that had a Trigem Cognac board like mine but had originally shipped with XP

Everything works fine now -- thank God this is over LOL

[ntdouglas]

Hey zebbo. I'm new to all this oc'ing. 2 weeks ago I bought
a 2x1g kit of hp2-6400. Its working great. I just can't get it past 900mhz. I've been in the Mushkin forums, but theres not alot about the
hp2-6400 .Is this a new product? Is 900 mhz a good oc? I've read reviews and there getting them to 1000mhz stable. Any advice or tips
would be very helpful .Thanks

[rizzo]

Do you get errors after 900mhz or you just cant boot? If it's the lader you can lower your cpu clock & run a divider to see if memory is the culprit also i run +.3 to boot when i'm running high bus speeds (465mhz). I have ds3 and the xp6400 memory.

[ntdouglas]

What do you mean +.3, volts? I was told to run mine at 2.2v because thats the highest setting to stay under warrany.

[rizzo]

ds3 undervolts the memory. I raise it 3 ticks and that gives me 2.2 in windows. Cant say for sure but your mb probably does the same.

[straybeat]

We got Redline XP4000 2x1GB using timings of 3-3-2-8, here's the link (http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=273) for the product page.

Hi Zebbo,

I bought the XP4000 2 X 1 Gig a week ago after reading the old post/thread above and I can't get my system to run more than an hour before a BSOD. I get a "Page fault in a non-paged area" error (or something to that effect).

I'm running a new P4 3.4 Prescott CPU, 2-year-old Abit IC7-G mobo, a new 680 watt Thermaltake PSU, a new X1950 Sapphire Agp 512 meg video, 2-160Gb Western Digital HD's and a Plextor DVD burner.

For the memory, I was running OCZ PC3500 EB (2 X 512 Meg) at 2.8V and overclocked my system to 4.2 Gigs. It ran with no problems, but I wanted to see if I could push it more with the XP4000? (I do a lot of CAD design and animation)

Now I can only hit 4.08 Gigs with the BSOD within an hour. I've tried all of the usual things, 2.6 to 2.8 volts (it seems to like 2.7 best). Different timings from the 3-2-2-5 to 4-4-3-8. With PAT, without PAT, you name it, but nothing seems to work. I should also add that playing a game like FEAR kills the system fairly quick as you can probably imagine.

Also, if I put the system back to stock settings it runs fine, but then Everest reports the memory as PC3200. The problem is, believe it or not, for a 3.4 CPU the system is slow as mollasses. At 4.2 it breaks every benchmark, and no, I'm not a benchmark junkie, just like to see where I'm at.

Any ideas? Or any sites I can go check out for ideas myself?

TIA for any help you can offer,
Stray

EDIT: I also wanted to add that the memory is running in Dual Channel mode, but Everest and a couple other programs report the memory as separate 991492 sticks instead of 991493's. I saw this in another post, were they programmed wrong or just being detected separately?

Thanks again!

[Zebbo]

@straybeat, I have to apology the short delay.

Regarding the SPD: Modules are programmed before testing, so before we know if they are going to be sold as dual packs or single sticks. Putting the modules through another round of programming would be labor-intensive (driving up the cost of the kit for the consumer) and the added handling could jeopardize the integrity of the module we just finished testing. We want to make sure the product the customer receives is a great value and performs as intended.

For stabilizing your overclock, have you tried to raising VAGP voltage to 1.6V or so?

[Paulieg]

I would say they are valid errors. Try running memtest with with one stick at a time to find the culprit.

[Zebbo]

There shouldn't be any errors at all, do what Paulieg suggested and test each stick individually. If errors disappear, try installing both modules into second DIMM slots.

[Zebbo]

ghost101, email tom@mushkin.com, he will take care of it for you.

[Duonger]

for RMA you can now go to our website and create a Passport account and follow the steps to getting a RMA set up. You will be be emailed with instructions on how to package and ship it back to us also.

[pt]

hi, i'm thinking of buying a 2gb kit of ram of mushkin but i would like to know how far will these go at 3-3-3-9
http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=276
thanks

[Duonger]

Performance is based our other components as well. Take are look at some of the reviews on that page and you an guage base on that.

[pt]

Performance is based our other components as well. Take are look at some of the reviews on that page and you an guage base on that.

i have a foxconn c51xem2aa, amd 3000+ (does 3ghz), etc..
according to some links it says it can't reach 3-3-3-9 at 800mhz, other say it does more easily

[Duonger]

These parts are the 667 specs. I dont know if it can hit 800mhz. if you want 800 3-3-3 i would suggest the 996523.

[Arctucas]

I come here because I cannot register for the Mushkin web site forum.

Anyway, I want to say Mushkin could stand to improve customer support.

I ordered some RAM directly from Mushkin, never have received a shipping confirmation email or tracking number.

I am hoping someone from Mushkin reads this forum and can help me.

[gdogg]

I come here because I cannot register for the Mushkin web site forum.

Anyway, I want to say Mushkin could stand to improve customer support.

I ordered some RAM directly from Mushkin, never have received a shipping confirmation email or tracking number.

I am hoping someone from Mushkin reads this forum and can help me.

Hello what was the username you registered with, I will manually activate it now.
This way you can pm me your order # and full name, so I can get that information for you.

edit I just saw it was the same, I have activated your account for you. I have sent you a pm on the mushkin forums.

[ntdouglas]

Does anybody have any experience with a Gigabyte 965-dq6 mobo and trying to run high speed ram. I just upgraded to Mushkin xp2-8500 2 gig kit and can't get it over 1030 mhz. I had my xp2-6400 2 gig kit at 1050 mhz totally stable. I'm at a loss on this one. I was hoping I could get at or over 1100 mhz with this kit.

[ntdouglas]

Is this thread dead or something?

[gdogg]

Is this thread dead or something?

Not at all. I am here :)

[ntdouglas]

Not at all. I am here :)

Did you read my post about the 8500 kit?

[gdogg]

Did you read my post about the 8500 kit?

Of coarse but i'd of been repeating myself. I can't figure out what is wrong.


Greg

[ntdouglas]

Sorry dude, I didn't know you we're gdogg. lol

[gdogg]

Sorry dude, I didn't know you we're gdogg. lol

not a prob, I really need to get another account setup here, to avoid confusion.

Greg

[Germonicus]

Hi,I'm just about to get my fiancee (currently in USA,I'm in UK) to order me some new Mushkin Ram 991493 (2x1GB) Redline and mail it to me,I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind?

1.What (if any) customer support can I expect from Mushkin if I purchase my Ram in this fashion?

2.I ran the compatability checker on the Mushkin site and got a list of a few different modules which it says will work on my PC and I liked the look of the above RAM,however,this is listed as being 500mhz and my manual tells me that my mobo (Abit AN8SLI Fatal1ty) can use 400/333/266.If I order this RAM can you confirm that it is compatible? If not could you advise on what DDR to order?

Thanks and I look forward to your reply,
Germ.

[gdogg]

Hi,I'm just about to get my fiancee (currently in USA,I'm in UK) to order me some new Mushkin Ram 991493 (2x1GB) Redline and mail it to me,I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind?

1.What (if any) customer support can I expect from Mushkin if I purchase my Ram in this fashion?

2.I ran the compatability checker on the Mushkin site and got a list of a few different modules which it says will work on my PC and I liked the look of the above RAM,however,this is listed as being 500mhz and my manual tells me that my mobo (Abit AN8SLI Fatal1ty) can use 400/333/266.If I order this RAM can you confirm that it is compatible? If not could you advise on what DDR to order?

Thanks and I look forward to your reply,
Germ.

Your board is capable of running the 500MHz memory multiplier and has a nice memory timings page along with more then enough voltage.

You should be able to run at these speeds fine.
You warranty will no effect you being in the uk or usa with the memory.

Thanks


Greg

[Germonicus]

Thanks for that Greg,looking forward to getting my memory as I've heard great things about Mushkin :)

[144 and UP]

Hi,I currently have 2x512 geil1 ram running at ddr500 and have just purchased 2x1g mushkin XP4000 redline.
The question i have is that my system is overclocked some (not by me) ,and was wondering if i can just swap them over?
But the problem i see is that the Geil is running at 3.2v and the Mushkin runs at 2.8
Is there something i must do so i dont damage the Muskin.
Thanks

[Dippyskoodlez]

Hi,I currently have 2x512 geil1 ram running at ddr500 and have just purchased 2x1g mushkin XP4000 redline.
The question i have is that my system is overclocked some (not by me) ,and was wondering if i can just swap them over?
But the problem i see is that the Geil is running at 3.2v and the Mushkin runs at 2.8
Is there something i must do so i dont damage the Muskin.
Thanks

doing ANY ram swap, you REAAALLLY should return all clocks to stock speed, and then ramp like normal.

Just flat out swapping ram is not a good idea when overclocked like this ;)

[144 and UP]

doing ANY ram swap, you REAAALLLY should return all clocks to stock speed, and then ramp like normal.

Just flat out swapping ram is not a good idea when overclocked like this ;)

This was my BIGGEST fear...............i thought that i could just lower the voltage in the bios and change the ram timings to the new ram.....boy i was wrong:banghead:
I have read the o/c guide many times just in case, also maybe it's best to wait for the new cpu before i put the new ram in.

[Dippyskoodlez]

This was my BIGGEST fear...............i thought that i could just lower the voltage in the bios and change the ram timings to the new ram.....boy i was wrong:banghead:
I have read the o/c guide many times just in case, also maybe it's best to wait for the new cpu before i put the new ram in.

Just return to stock and re-overclock it. :laugh:

You could maybe get away with said, assuming all of the timings work on the swapped ram...

[gdogg]

This was my BIGGEST fear...............i thought that i could just lower the voltage in the bios and change the ram timings to the new ram.....boy i was wrong:banghead:
I have read the o/c guide many times just in case, also maybe it's best to wait for the new cpu before i put the new ram in.

You could try adjusting the memory timings and voltages to the following, then putting in your new sticks.

Command Per Clock (CPC) Enable
CAS Latency (Tcl) 3.0
RAS to CAS Delay (Trcd) 3
RAS Precharge Delay (Trp) 2
Min RAS Active Time (Tras) 8
Row Cycle Time (Trc) 8
Row Refresh Cycle Time (Trfc) 15
RAS to RAS Delay (Trrd) 2
Write Recovery Time (Twr) 2
Write to Read Delay (Twtr) 1
Read to Write Delay (Trwt) 3
Refresh Cycle (Tref) 4708
Write CAS Latency (Twcl) 1

DRAM Bank Interleave Enable
DQS Skew Control Auto
DQS Skew Value 0
DRAM Drive Strength Level 7 (weak 3)
DRAM Data Drive Strength Level 3 (reduced 45%)
Max Async Latency 8ns (9-10ns for high cpu clocks)
DRAM Response Time Normal
Read Preamble Time 6ns (6.5ns for high cpu clocks)
IdleCycle Limit 16 clks
Dynamic Counter Enable
R/W Queue Bypass 16x
Bypass Max 07x
32-Byte Granularity Disabled (4-bursts)

Memory voltage 2.7V

Depending on the memory speed these timings will work fine. A cmos reset might be impossible to avoid though.


Greg

[144 and UP]

Thanks for that, will give it ago later and hope that it will be good news:)

[Bombader]

Hi Mushkin peeps I have a 1gig kit of some of the good old XP4000 ram that supported cas2.0 at 500mhz with 3.5v and wanted to upgrade to 2 gigs and as you have already stated I couldn't find anymore of the same ram since its not made any longer so i settled on some Crucial ram that supports cas 2.5 at 500mhz but only 2.9 v. The Crucial ram has SPD data for 200 and 250mhz but the Redlines only have 200mhz data so I was wondering what setting I should use to get the best performance I currentlly have everything set to auto. Will the Redlines be able to match the Crucial's performance with only 2.9v I'd like to keep the timings as tight as possible or is that not worth it?
Thanks,
Ian

[gdogg]

Hi Mushkin peeps I have a 1gig kit of some of the good old XP4000 ram that supported cas2.0 at 500mhz with 3.5v and wanted to upgrade to 2 gigs and as you have already stated I couldn't find anymore of the same ram since its not made any longer so i settled on some Crucial ram that supports cas 2.5 at 500mhz but only 2.9 v. The Crucial ram has SPD data for 200 and 250mhz but the Redlines only have 200mhz data so I was wondering what setting I should use to get the best performance I currentlly have everything set to auto. Will the Redlines be able to match the Crucial's performance with only 2.9v I'd like to keep the timings as tight as possible or is that not worth it?
Thanks,
Ian

These utt chips really shined with higher votlages, and cas 2, cas 2.5 really didn't show much of an improvement.

Being as its also now 4X512MB, I don't think you'll be able to reach 500Mhz speeds with any settings, best thing I can recommend is doing some testing.


Greg

[ddrum2000]

I just built a a new box today with a Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R and 4 x 1 GB XP2-8500. I usually run memtest86+ to make sure that everything is running correctly but no matter what I try I cannot get sticks to run errorless. Now if I remove any 1 stick then memtest will run just fine. Any suggestions?

[gdogg]

I just built a a new box today with a Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R and 4 x 1 GB XP2-8500. I usually run memtest86+ to make sure that everything is running correctly but no matter what I try I cannot get sticks to run errorless. Now if I remove any 1 stick then memtest will run just fine. Any suggestions?

Have you tried an increase in north bridge voltage?

[ddrum2000]

I don't want to push it more the 0.1 or 0.2 V but +0.1V didn't work.

[gdogg]

I don't want to push it more the 0.1 or 0.2 V but +0.1V didn't work.

Higher north bridge voltage does play a large role with 4X1GB. I would play around with that a bit.

I couldn't find a review of your board to see what timings are available in the bios.

Plug in as many of these as you can.

DRAM CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 4
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 12
DRAM Write Recovery Time: 6
DRAM TRFC: 42
DRAM TRRD: 3
Rank Write to Read Delay: 11
Read to Precharge Delay: 5
Write to Precharge Delay: 14


Greg

[rhythmeister]

I didn't even know you guys hung out here as well! Cheers for being so nice about me doing a an SPD flash over on your own forum :D If I could just get my hands on an spd with those 3, 4, 3, 8 timings it would be like an early b'day pressie!

[gdogg]

I didn't even know you guys hung out here as well! Cheers for being so nice about me doing a an SPD flash over on your own forum :D If I could just get my hands on an spd with those 3, 4, 3, 8 timings it would be like an early b'day pressie!

What kit is it exactly? I will need more info on the tool you will be using and ask my rma contact if he can send you one.

Send me more details in PM.

[rhythmeister]

Hi, it's the XP PC4000 black heatspreader 3, 4, 3, 8 dual channel kit, serial 991483. I'll be using SPD Tool 0.61 of course :D I sent Ari an email about it cos the Mushkin PM system didn't want to send the PM to him!

[gdogg]

Hi, it's the XP PC4000 black heatspreader 3, 4, 3, 8 dual channel kit, serial 991483. I'll be using SPD Tool 0.61 of course :D I sent Ari an email about it cos the Mushkin PM system didn't want to send the PM to him!

The pm system works fine, just gives can error. If he doesn't reply in a few days, just let me know.

[rhythmeister]

The pm system works fine, just gives can error. If he doesn't reply in a few days, just let me know.

Hi Liam,

I unfortunately don't have any Mushkin DDR1 sticks around so I can't help with SPD backup.
Did you try to manually set Trp to 3 with SPDTool?

Regards,

-
Ari Tarvainen
Director of Forum Support & Marketing

Would anyone else have an SPD I get get off them for this ram in my spec's please? I've tried changing the tRP timings from 18 to 20 to 22 etc but this is not reflected by cpu-z's table :confused:

[gdogg]

18 is really high for a tRP value, do you mean tRC value?

edit
Sorry there is nothing we can provide you with, I recommend you send the stick in for spd programming.


Greg

[rhythmeister]

I mean I tried those values in nanoseconds as it's the only unit I can manipulate! I can't really send the ram back across the pond as I have no other ram to use at present given that I sold the G Skill kit I had before this.

I do appreciate the replies but I don't understand why if you can re-programme it for me yourselves that you can't read the SPD from one of the sticks you have then send me it as an email attachment :confused: Can I even send one of you the SPD I have on the sticks for alteration to change the tRP value so I can just flash them both with that? ;)

[gdogg]

I mean I tried those values in nanoseconds as it's the only unit I can manipulate! I can't really send the ram back across the pond as I have no other ram to use at present given that I sold the G Skill kit I had before this.

I do appreciate the replies but I don't understand why if you can re-programme it for me yourselves that you can't read the SPD from one of the sticks you have then send me it as an email attachment :confused: Can I even send one of you the SPD I have on the sticks for alteration to change the tRP value so I can just flash them both with that? ;)

It is possible if you cannot change the values right now, the spd has been locked, which is very common.

If this is the case, it will need to go back to be programmed with what locked it in the first place as far as I know.

But this is about the best I can do, dump the spd from working stick, save, then use it on the other stick.

I don't know what else to say, I have already gone beyond what I should be telling someone to do when it comes to programming the spd on there sticks, this is something that we don't recommend a user ever do. I may even get in trouble for what I have said.


Greg

[rhythmeister]

Hi again Greg, I received the following PM from Jeffery via the Mushkin support forum:

"Hello,

My name is Jeffery I lead the support team here at Mushkin I would like to apologize for all the confusion in this situation.

what I would like to do to make this up to you I can upgrade you to our 991493 XP-4000 Redline kit and to save time I can have it Advanced to you from our new Mushkin Europe offices. If you could please email me at support@mushkin with your information i can pass it on to our European RMA rep.

Thank you in advance
Jeffery Lenz
Mushkin support"

The only tool I've been near the sticks with is SPDTool by the mighty W1zzard so I'm not sure how they'd have got locked. Also, I added manufacturer info' as well as the serial No from the back of the blister pack (991483) and this info' was stored correctly. I've made sure the checksums were correct before flashing as well and the ram is operating 100% at correct volts and timings thankfully but it would be nice to get it all sorted out! I must thank you Mushkin guys for the prompt help, I'm sure these bigger ram manufacturers would've given me some stupid fobb off by now :D

[gdogg]

Hi again Greg, I received the following PM from Jeffery via the Mushkin support forum:

"Hello,

My name is Jeffery I lead the support team here at Mushkin I would like to apologize for all the confusion in this situation.

what I would like to do to make this up to you I can upgrade you to our 991493 XP-4000 Redline kit and to save time I can have it Advanced to you from our new Mushkin Europe offices. If you could please email me at support@mushkin with your information i can pass it on to our European RMA rep.

Thank you in advance
Jeffery Lenz
Mushkin support"

The only tool I've been near the sticks with is SPDTool by the mighty W1zzard so I'm not sure how they'd have got locked. Also, I added manufacturer info' as well as the serial No from the back of the blister pack (991483) and this info' was stored correctly. I've made sure the checksums were correct before flashing as well and the ram is operating 100% at correct volts and timings thankfully but it would be nice to get it all sorted out! I must thank you Mushkin guys for the prompt help, I'm sure these bigger ram manufacturers would've given me some stupid fobb off by now :D

Jeff is a great guy, that offer of his is great, I would take him up on it, it would result in no down time, and an even faster memory kit.

Regarding being locked, sometimes the spd is locked before being shipped from mushkin.


Greg

[rhythmeister]

That was a quick reply G! I've sent that email to support@Mushkin and I'll reply to him via PM as well anyway. I'll be sticking with Mushkin for my Biostar TForce 7025-M2 in the very near future, I STILL can't believe AMD bent us over with the killing off of socket 939...a VERY stupid thing to do but at least I have an excuse to buy MORE Mushkin now but 4Gb this time methinks :D

[gdogg]

That was a quick reply G! I've sent that email to support@Mushkin and I'll reply to him via PM as well anyway. I'll be sticking with Mushkin for my Biostar TForce 7025-M2 in the very near future, I STILL can't believe AMD bent us over with the killing off of socket 939...a VERY stupid thing to do but at least I have an excuse to buy MORE Mushkin now but 4Gb this time methinks :D

I searched and was able to find some information on your board. The hp2-6400 2X2GB I would recommend for your board, it is a great memory kit, and I use them myself.

Have heard the board is very easy for overclocking.


Greg

[rhythmeister]

Where's yr spec's then G? I think I'd rather have the Redline DDR2 to be honest-if it was run as pc 6400 could the timings not be tightened up a little in that board?

[gdogg]

Where's yr spec's then G? I think I'd rather have the Redline DDR2 to be honest-if it was run as pc 6400 could the timings not be tightened up a little in that board?

Yes but the hp2-6400 2X2GB is great for 4GB, I can run them at 1160Mhz 2.3V, 5-4-4-12 2T. The redline's are great, but running 4X1GB will prob limit overclocking ability.

I will update my specs in a sec so they appear.

edit, yes the redline xp2-8000's run at 800Mhz will most likely be able to do 1T with timings like 3-3-3-9 or 3-4-4-9, but so would the xp2-8500's , the 4GB kits though, I have only seen be able to run cas 4, I have not seen anyone try them at 1T yet either.

Greg

[rhythmeister]

I need me a 2900 soon but I'm gonna see how much better my games play on AM2 with twice the ram and a more oc'd cpu!

[gdogg]

I need me a 2900 soon but I'm gonna see how much better my games play on AM2 with twice the ram and a more oc'd cpu!

Ya, the card is great, I am glad I went with it, the difference in gaming will not be much with the upgrade, but more ram will help for vista and games like bf2 and others that can use lots of memory.

An x64 vista will be required though to get use of all 4GB of the memory.


Greg

[Aguiar]

Hi there...I just got a P5W DH-Deluxe Mobo and i´m looking for the "best" memory for it...i also have a Q6600 to were it...planning to spend about 150 € on memory...any advice please.Please remember that i live in Portugal(Europe).Thank you.

[gdogg]

Hi there...I just got a P5W DH-Deluxe Mobo and i´m looking for the "best" memory for it...i also have a Q6600 to were it...planning to spend about 150 € on memory...any advice please.Please remember that i live in Portugal(Europe).Thank you.

I recommend the XP2-6400 2X1GB for your board, being as the 975X chipset will have difficulties reaching higher.
Here is a list of resellers for europe.
http://www.mushkin.com/doc/sales/?mv=EU

I was able to find this kit in stock at one of the stores on the list for portugal, in your budget , so this is a good choice for you.


Greg

[pt]

Hi there...I just got a P5W DH-Deluxe Mobo and i´m looking for the "best" memory for it...i also have a Q6600 to were it...planning to spend about 150 € on memory...any advice please.Please remember that i live in Portugal(Europe).Thank you.

hi
were are you going to get them?
almost no one in portugal sells mushkin :(

[gdogg]

hi
were are you going to get them?
almost no one in portugal sells mushkin :(

There is 6 mushkin resellers in portugal , on that list I provided.

[pt]

i see now
most of them are far away from me
except aquapc.com (wich is on the list) but has none for sale
http://www.aquapc.com/loja/?id=65 :(

[gdogg]

i see now
most of them are far away from me
except aquapc.com (wich is on the list) but has none for sale
http://www.aquapc.com/loja/?id=65 :(

Only thing I think of, is ordering online.

I was ask someone from mushkin europe to see if they still carry mushkin product.

[pt]

Only thing I think of, is ordering online.

I was ask someone from mushkin europe to see if they still carry mushkin product.

no need, i don't wan't it for the moment, maybe in a couple months, but thanks for the help :)

[Ben Clarke]

Hi,

I recently won an XP-650AP PSU from this board (it was a few months ago now), and I got round to installing it last week. It wouldn't power up, so I took it to a local shop, and they said the PSU had blew and took my motherboard with it. I'm RMAing my motherboard, but what do I need to do to RMA the PSU? I'm in the UK, if it helps.

Thanks,

Ben.

[gdogg]

Hi,

I recently won an XP-650AP PSU from this board (it was a few months ago now), and I got round to installing it last week. It wouldn't power up, so I took it to a local shop, and they said the PSU had blew and took my motherboard with it. I'm RMAing my motherboard, but what do I need to do to RMA the PSU? I'm in the UK, if it helps.

Thanks,

Ben.

Sorry about the delay. I have sent you a PM regarding.

We will get this sorted out asap. If you can reply to my PM that will be great.

Thanks


Greg

[VroomBang]

Hi Zebbo,

I was wondering if you could help with a quick compatibility check.

I just bought some XP PC2-8000 Redline 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1000 (model # 996593). Will they work on this mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 Socket 775 (rev 2.1)?

I'm posting the links if that helps:

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=647

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=2748

Thanks a lot in advance!

[gdogg]

Hi Zebbo,

I was wondering if you could help with a quick compatibility check.

I just bought some XP PC2-8000 Redline 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1000 (model # 996593). Will they work on this mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 Socket 775 (rev 2.1)?

I'm posting the links if that helps:

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=647

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=2748

Thanks a lot in advance!


Yes the should run just fine. Ari (Zebbo) isn't around today

[VroomBang]

great, thanks for that!

[VroomBang]

Hi Zebbo,

I've been using some Redline DDR2 PC2-8000 1000MHz 2x2GB for the past 2 weeks, and I have a couple of questions :-):

First I wonder why both my BIOS (Version F13a Jan '08 Gigabyte GS-P35-DS3 rev 2.1) and cpu-z 1.44.2 sees it as PC-6400 800MHz.

Secondly, when running at underclock 400MHz (by default in the BIOS), latency shows 5-5-5-15, as expected according to the spec. However, when running at stock 500MHz, latency gets worse to 5-7-7-23. I was surprised to find a better score on some benchmarks with 500MHz 5-7-7-23 than with 400MHz 5-5-5-15. Any reason why?

I'm very happy with my purchase by the way :-).

thanks!

[gR3iF]

Better scores are achieved with higher bandwith. Intel Cpus likes bandwith and doesnt depend so much on latency.

However you have to raise voltage to let the ram run at speed and latencys it is desired to.
Around 2.0-2.1v is given by mushkin to let the ram run@1066 with 5-5-5-12 as it should be.
Please go into bios and raise vddr2 by 0.3 and then set the timings and speed manually.

[VroomBang]

nice one, thanks gR3iF !

[gR3iF]

Np.

Jedec standard is 1.8v for 533,667 and 800+1066mhz. So if the ram needs more volt the board does not aplly this by default.

[tayyab]

Hi,
I am not really a gamer, however I do use Bryce, Paintshoppro w/FraxFlame plug-in and a lot of other image editing software like Fireworks etc and I multi task while using all of the above running at the same time a lot.


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[Smartbomb]

Hi I have an EVGA 680i and seen reviews reguarding this ram working good with 680i chipset but that doesn't always mean the reference boards... Is this a good match and will it run advertised speed on my board? 2 GB Mushkin XP2 PC2-9200

[tayyab]

Hi,
Zebbo,
I was wondering if you could help with a quick compatibility check.

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[adrianx]

hello hello

I have a little problem I belive with the memory controler

the "old" 9500 run very ok with the memory set in 1066 with 5-5-5-18 at 2.25v

but... went I put the new 9850 no OC.... I experience same slow down even instant restart with blue screen (on my vista x64) I run memory test from vista... and say memory problem...
ok . I set the memory on auto... and all run OK.

I mention that the memory is muskin 996580 default with 800mhz 4-4-4-12 2.0-2.1v

same how the phenom 9850 need a diferent memory timings ?

[gdogg]

Hi I have an EVGA 680i and seen reviews reguarding this ram working good with 680i chipset but that doesn't always mean the reference boards... Is this a good match and will it run advertised speed on my board? 2 GB Mushkin XP2 PC2-9200

Sorry for not answering sooner. Your motherboard would be best paired with a lower voltage kit. I recommend these. http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=656

I have seen them run upto 900Mhz 4-4-4-12 with rated 1.9v .

High memory frequency doesn't result in the best performance on 680i chipsets, running Linked memory mode with 1:1 fsb:ram normally does.

[gdogg]

Hi,
Zebbo,
I was wondering if you could help with a quick compatibility check.

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Compatibility check for what? Your signature makes you seem like a bot btw.

[gdogg]

hello hello

I have a little problem I belive with the memory controler

the "old" 9500 run very ok with the memory set in 1066 with 5-5-5-18 at 2.25v

but... went I put the new 9850 no OC.... I experience same slow down even instant restart with blue screen (on my vista x64) I run memory test from vista... and say memory problem...
ok . I set the memory on auto... and all run OK.

I mention that the memory is muskin 996580 default with 800mhz 4-4-4-12 2.0-2.1v

same how the phenom 9850 need a diferent memory timings ?


CAS# Latency 4
1T-2T Command Timings 2T
twtr Command Delay 3 (2-3)
Write Recovery time 6 (3-6)
Precharge Time 3 (2-3)
Row cycle time 26 (18-26)
ras to cas R/W delay 4
Ras to RAS delay 3 (2-3)
Row Precharge Time 4
Minimum RAS Active Time 12

With below, lower later if stable.

TRFC0 FOR DIMM 1 192
TRFC2 FOR DIMM2 192
TRFC1 FOR DIMM3 192
TRFC3 FOR DIMM 4 192

If you still run into an issue, try using Un-ganaged memory mode, which would be 1 stick in each color slot.

[Smartbomb]

Sorry for not answering sooner. Your motherboard would be best paired with a lower voltage kit. I recommend these. http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=656

I have seen them run upto 900Mhz 4-4-4-12 with rated 1.9v .

High memory frequency doesn't result in the best performance on 680i chipsets, running Linked memory mode with 1:1 fsb:ram normally does.

TY:)

[locutus]

Zebbo or gdogg,

would the 2x2GB XP DDR2-1000 redline kit (996593) be a good match with the Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H / AMD Phenom? I'm not sure about the Phenom model yet. Does that make a difference for your recommendation? I read there was a bug in the TLB of some of the early Phenoms. The chips without the bug end in “50” like 9650 or 9750 so I'll be using one of those or a later model that ends in “50”. Thanks.


I just found out about the Ascent series. They're supposed to be even better. Would the Ascent 2x2GB DDR2-1000 work well? Thanks.

[gdogg]

Zebbo or gdogg,

would the 2x2GB XP DDR2-1000 redline kit (996593) be a good match with the Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H / AMD Phenom? I'm not sure about the Phenom model yet. Does that make a difference for your recommendation? I read there was a bug in the TLB of some of the early Phenoms. The chips without the bug end in “50” like 9650 or 9750 so I'll be using one of those or a later model that ends in “50”. Thanks.


I just found out about the Ascent series. They're supposed to be even better. Would the Ascent 2x2GB DDR2-1000 work well? Thanks.

If you want to overclock the fsb, then yes the 1000Mhz redlines/ascent's should work fine. If you don't want to overclock the fsb and only use the memory divider. I would have to recommend 800Mhz kit then.

Also, the newer phenoms have been showing to need timings manually adjusted even with jedec spec 800Mhz kit with your board for more then 1 stick to post. (From those upgrading, older to newer phenoms)

[locutus]

If you want to overclock the fsb, then yes the 1000Mhz redlines/ascent's should work fine. If you don't want to overclock the fsb and only use the memory divider. I would hav