Overclocking my CPU finally

[Noobcomputermaker]

Hey guys I haven't been on here in a very long time, since I built my computer which is now probably close to ancient thanks to how fast our technology is growing today. In order to keep up I finally want to overlock my cpu which I hear is a good cpu to overlock. Now I need to know from you guys by looking at my system specs, if my computer can handle the overlock, and based on my computer what the exact overlock settings i need to change in the bios. Also my name on here still describes me, only built one computer, and might again after summer.

thanks guys

[ZenZimZaliben]

My other computer Inherited my 165 after upgrading to my intel rig.

Its a sweet chip, and you have a great motherboard. yes a little outdated, but will still hold its own. Run cpu-z and take screen shots of your setup including ram timings and post voltage levels for all components. DFI boards have a lot of control. I was running 2.8Ghz with ram at DRR550, 3.4.4.8.12.

[WarEagleAU]

You should be able to hit 2.8 to 3.0 depending on your ram and cooling. I took my opty 165 to 2.8 on air (AC Freezer 64) and 3.1 on water. Voltage didnt need to be adjusted but a hair to 2.8 if that ( I think I had it at 1.325) and on water, I didnt have to mess with it at all for some odd reason.

[Noobcomputermaker]

Can you tell me what tabs in Cpu-z you will need a picture of?

[ZenZimZaliben]

The First Tab, and the Ram timing tab.

you should also run a couple of bench marks...3dmarks06 at least...so we can all feel cool once we get you clocked up. :)

[dark2099]

Take a pic of the main tab that comes up and of the memory tab, I think those are the most important. Might need a pic of others. Can't be sure off hand.

[Noobcomputermaker]

Here is my picture of CPU-Z

[sneekypeet]

Two warnings about that rig before you go and clock the snot out of it. DFI NF4's were notorious for blowing up Antec PSU's. Also be more specific about the ram in specs. OCZ is /was good for DDR, but that mobo craves great memory!

[ZenZimZaliben]

Ok your ram needs help.

Tight timings, but its actually underclocked. Should be running it on a 1:1 ratio. Until you go over say 15%-20%. That ram should be able to handle DDR440 no problem.

So thats the first thing I would do. Set you ram timings to a 1:1 ratio and reboot. see what happens. SHould boot just fine. If not....You know how to clear the CMOS?

Once we figure out what the max is for the ram we can start messing with the CPU and HT. Also, sneekypeet is right, be more descriptive about the ram.

[Noobcomputermaker]

I know how to clear it, but can you explain how to make the ram timing a 1:1 ratio ?

[ZenZimZaliben]

In the bios, under memory settings.

If you want to OC, its time to take stuff off Auto.

http://www.bigbruin.com/reviews05/dfiultrad/imageview.php?file=pic21.jpg

Its the CPU/FSB ratio, and the option should be 1:1

[OzzmanFloyd120]

I know how to clear it, but can you explain how to make the ram timing a 1:1 ratio ?

Go into your bios and set your ram divider to 200

[sneekypeet]

I say the divider isnt critical here, as most likely he will need to start with it anyways...Id worry about making the timmings in CPU-z say 3-3-3-8 and clock away!

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Peet is right, all you really need to do is lower your HTT to 4x and then raise your system bus until it stops booting, then add volts.
That's OCing AMD64 in a nutshell.

[ZenZimZaliben]

I figured we would get him on a 1:1 ratio...then lower his cpu multi and push the FSB to the max while loosing timings. Which would give us max fsb.

Once we know max FSB, then start upping the cpu. and try to find a good middle ground between max fsb/mem and cpu.

[Squirrely]

Pretty much what Ozz said.

Just watch your temps, and test for stability afterwards. :D

[sneekypeet]

no putting his ram at 1:1 will show us the limit of his ram long befor the CPU or the FSB quits.

BTW most mobo's of that nature quit at under the 320FSB range!

[Noobcomputermaker]

Sorry for the wait all, I forgot i reset my password so I tried 5 times and had to wait the 15 minutes :banghead: .

I am not sure which option is the 1:1 Ratio so I uploaded a picture of my choices under the menu you told me to make the selection.

[Noobcomputermaker]

Any suggestions as to which one equals 1:1 ratio? is it the right option menu ?

[OzzmanFloyd120]

It looks like the right menu, but I've never seen options like that before, what I would do is pick each one and boot into windows and check CPU-z until it says your ram is going at 400mhz

[hat]

lol those are the CPU multiplier settings
for instance if you went and selected 4x, you would be asking us "why is my cpu running at 800MHz now??"
(4x200=800)

[OzzmanFloyd120]

lol those are the CPU multiplier settings
for instance if you went and selected 4x, you would be asking us "why is my cpu running at 800MHz now??"
(4x200=800)

Wow, I can't believe that I didn't realize that. I feel like a huge dumb ass now.:cry:

[Noobcomputermaker]

lol those are the CPU multiplier settings
for instance if you went and selected 4x, you would be asking us "why is my cpu running at 800MHz now??"
(4x200=800)

So did I go into the wrong menu? Can you redirect me to the place they want me to go?

[sneekypeet]

IIRC its DRAM setting in Genie

read this...http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzE3LDIsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0

[dark2099]

I think you want to use the DRAM Frequency set in the DRAM setting from the Genie Menu. You will want the setting that has 200 listed first. Bottom setting in this picture.

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEwODMxOTU2NXZuZHF2WWk0RkJfM180X 2wuZ2lm

[Noobcomputermaker]

OK here is new CPU Z of the ram being changed

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Go back to your DRAM settings in bios and change the timings to 3-3-3-8

[Noobcomputermaker]

How do I set those exact settings in the Bios compared to just changing the ratio?

[dark2099]

At the same DRAM menu in the Genie page you will change the settings as follows.

CAS Latency Control (TCL) to 3
RAS# to CAS# Delay (TRCD) to 3
Row Precharge Time (TRP) to 3
Min RAS# Active Time (TRAS) to 8

[Noobcomputermaker]

If i remember correctly i was just there checking it out, and I think for the last "3" you want me to change to, there is only the option of 1 or 2, so it would be 3-3-3-8 but i will go double check Dark ^

[Noobcomputermaker]

it would be 3-3-2-8 i meant in my last post

[dark2099]

I guessed as much, some of these other guys know more about this than I do, I was just looking at a pic of the BIOS and telling you exactly what to change. I am still in the process of learning myself.

[Kirby123]

i have a E8400 and i dont know what votage i should be at.... i have it oc to 3.6ghz and it is 1.2 should it be 1.3? because i dont understand why auto on motherboard dosnt change the voltage for me...

[sneekypeet]

i have a E8400 and i dont know what votage i should be at.... i have it oc to 3.6ghz and it is 1.2 should it be 1.3? because i dont understand why auto on motherboard dosnt change the voltage for me...

you should start another thread, but I will answer thae question with ....the Voltage on AUTO means it will boot from what the CPU says it needs. You need to manually raise the voltage of the CPU to get it to increase.

Auto is a bit of a misnomer...it doesnt do it by itslef other than for stock voltage, it wont do the math and just add volts.

Also get the latest download of CPU-z and see what the voltage reads there...good place to set you Voltage in bios if you desire!

Edit: it shows that your CPU is doing 3.5GHz on 1.2oVolts read in your SS from the other thread!

[Kirby123]

I DONT KNOW THIS MOBO!!!!!!!! i oc my E8400 from 3.0 to 3.6 ghz and its still at 1.2voltage....
i have it on auto then put on manual then added an extra .1V and put it back on auto and it did nothing -.-

[Noobcomputermaker]

peet what should I do if it can only do 3-3-2-8? is that normal?

[sneekypeet]

peet what should I do if it can only do 3-3-2-8? is that normal?

no sir it isnt normal...do me a favor and tell me what BIOS you are running from the mainboard tab in CPU-z please.Should be in the form of a date4/06/06 or similar.


@ kirby I will look at your system in the other thread and see what I can do for help. My honest thoughts off the top of my head is user error or Vdroop...in this thread tho I have no idea.

[Noobcomputermaker]

4/06/2006

[sneekypeet]

ok the option should be there to run that way as thats the bios I was most sucessful with.

[Noobcomputermaker]

kk ill check it out now

[erocker]

One thing no one has mentioned is that you are running your memory in single channel. One of the sticks is in the wrong slot.

[sneekypeet]

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEwODMxOTU2NXZuZHF2WWk0RkJfM18yX 2wuZ2lm

yours should read from the top as this one shows all auto.

200
IIRC this is command rate..disabled or auto for 1T is auto..2T is disabled
3
3
3
8
Leave the rest on auto for now. Also what voltage are these ram sticks at /supposed to be using?

Sue to erockers catch....ram needs to be in bot orange slots for best results!

[Noobcomputermaker]

Ok here it is

[erocker]

Plus I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be able to run 1T in dual channel. 3 3-3-8 timings and 450mhz perhaps, at stock voltage?


*I sooo miss my Opteron rig.:ohwell:

[sneekypeet]

be sure to get both sticks of ram in the orange slots as it will run in dual channel instead of single channel as erocker pointed out!

@ erocker...I completely agree here, as long as they play nice with the DFI.

[dark2099]

You should turn off you computer and move one of the RAM sticks over one slot (if x is where a stick is and o is a empty slot your ram should look like xoxo) which will make it run in dual channel mode which improves its performance.

[Noobcomputermaker]

ok, done : ) both in orange slots now

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Alright, now lower your HTT as low as it goes and your CPU multi to the lowest it goes also, then raise your FSB until your machine won't boot and write that number down. Then put your FSB back to 200 and your HTT and multi back to default.

[Kirby123]

all this new stuff :( i dont know any of it anymore... everything is so new now.... can someoen with a e8400 oc show me your cpu z?

[Noobcomputermaker]

What intervals should I raise the FSB, and where should I start that you know I should make, so I dont waste time guessing

[OzzmanFloyd120]

What intervals should I raise the FSB, and where should I start that you know I should make, so I dont waste time guessing

Raise by tens at first, then fives, then by ones. That's what I do.
Kirby, seriously start a new thread and name it "Help ocing e8XXX" and people will help you.

[dark2099]

all this new stuff :( i dont know any of it anymore... everything is so new now.... can someoen with a e8400 oc show me your cpu z?

This thread is to help Noobcomputermaker, you have your own thread about your computer and overclocking you should keep you questions there.

[Kirby123]

anyone know how to work a ga-p35-ds3l mobo? i cant raise my voltage.....

[Noobcomputermaker]

Does HTT and CPU multi stand for something? I went into the Bios setting and could not find anything labeled these, im sorry if its obvious for what they stand for, I just do not want to make any mistakes.

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEwODMxOTU2NXZuZHF2WWk0RkJfMl8xM 19sLmdpZg==

This is where I was looking for it

[OzzmanFloyd120]

The CPU multi is that one screen you were looking at in post #18, the HTT might be nammed something else on your board, but it should have 1x 2x 3x options like the cpu though.

[Noobcomputermaker]

Okay to make sure, when I find the HTT, what do the options do that I can tell i found the right thing, what does it raise and how much

[dark2099]

Guessing from that picture, the CPU multi (short for multiplier, takes the FSB Bus frequency and multiplies it by what ever it is set to to get the speed of the CPU) is CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio, and for the HTT that might be LTD/FSB Frequency Ratio.

[Noobcomputermaker]

ok I will go try it out

[Noobcomputermaker]

My first try was i turned the fsb up to 210, and the computer crashed, so I think i might be lowering the wrong things or something

[OzzmanFloyd120]

It's too bad I don't know that board's bios, do you have pictures? Because you should be getting higher than that.

[dark2099]

Lower the 2 things I mentioned, if it boots into windows take a screen shot and post it here, leave the FSB setting at 200.

[Noobcomputermaker]

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzE3LDIsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0

Shows a lot of pictures of my BIOS, and Ill try that Dark now.

[Noobcomputermaker]

Guessing from that picture, the CPU multi (short for multiplier, takes the FSB Bus frequency and multiplies it by what ever it is set to to get the speed of the CPU) is CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio, and for the HTT that might be LTD/FSB Frequency Ratio.

Are you sure you have the HTT right?

[sneekypeet]

BTW better late than never, but do you have the two extra mobo power headrs connected? there is a 4pin flat molex that takes power as well as an FDD plug under the left of the CPU. Most say this is for SLI and adds power to the PCI lanes, loads of ppl found it crucial to OC stability!

[erocker]

anyone know how to work a ga-p35-ds3l mobo? i cant raise my voltage.....

Stop hijacking this thread which isn't related to your problem. If you need assistance start your own thread with an appropriate title. All the information on proper posting can be found here: http://forums.techpowerup.com/announcement.php?f=14
and most of all, have patience.:)

[Noobcomputermaker]

BTW better late than never, but do you have the two extra mobo power headrs connected? there is a 4pin flat molex that takes power as well as an FDD plug under the left of the CPU. Most say this is for SLI and adds power to the PCI lanes, loads of ppl found it crucial to OC stability!

I will certainly search for it then, I am going to take a break for the night, and continue you this project tomorrow, hopefully see you guys then. Thanks for all the help guys, check in tomorrow. :)

[erocker]

I will certainly search for it then, I am going to take a break for the night, and continue you this project tomorrow, hopefully see you guys then. Thanks for all the help guys, check in tomorrow. :)

Hey! Thanks #1 for being a sport!:toast:

[hat]

your tRC should be 11.
Make the RAM run as slow as possible (just for now)
lower the HTT multiplier to 4x
crank the fsb by 4s... see what you get

I too have a genie bios :)

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Hat, I love your new avatar.

[Noobcomputermaker]

Lower the 2 things I mentioned, if it boots into windows take a screen shot and post it here, leave the FSB setting at 200.

ok I lowered the LTD/FSB (HTT) to the lowest option other than auto, same with CPU/FSB ratio (CPU Multi)

Left the FSB at 200, and my computer would not load, had to reset the bios

[Noobcomputermaker]

your tRC should be 11.
Make the RAM run as slow as possible (just for now)
lower the HTT multiplier to 4x
crank the fsb by 4s... see what you get

I too have a genie bios :)

Can you tell me if I am right in thinking the LTD/FSB IS the HTT, and CPU/FSB ratio IS CPU Multi, also what is the TRC ? Is it separate from the

CAS Latency Control (TCL)
RAS# to CAS# Delay (TRCD)
Row Precharge time (TRP)
Min RAS# Active Time (TRAS)

[erocker]

Are you running your memory in dual channel now?

[Noobcomputermaker]

Yeah

[erocker]

Can you tell me if I am right in thinking the LTD/FSB IS the HTT, and CPU/FSB ratio IS CPU Multi, also what is the TRC ? Is it separate from the

CAS Latency Control (TCL)
RAS# to CAS# Delay (TRCD)
Row Precharge time (TRP)
Min RAS# Active Time (TRAS)

Generally, you can leave the TRc on AUTO. Sneeky or someone else who understands the language of a DFI bios will have to chime in for what they call HTT and cpu ratio.

[Noobcomputermaker]

Should I go ahead and do the 3-3-3-8 again on my RAM ? Since the settings were all reset

[erocker]

Yes, keep them at 3 3-3-8. Those timings should be good up to 430mhz if not more.

[Noobcomputermaker]

ok, should i wait for others to figure out why I cant lower those without my computer crashing?

[erocker]

CPU multi should be x9
HTT multi should be x5 for 200fsb, x4 above 200fsb and x3 above around say 300fsb
Also make sure your RAM is set at the correct voltage in the bios. You'll have to look up what it's supposed to be, but I remember running my Corsair DDR400 at 2.75v's.

[sneekypeet]

The DFI can run to 1200HT link, and I dont advise dropping the HT below 3 or it wont boot.

[Noobcomputermaker]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227084

This is my exact ram if you need to know

[sneekypeet]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227084

This is my exact ram if you need to know

That ram "should" do OK with OC'ing on the DFI, but I highly doubt you can run it 1:1 with the FSB for more than 250FSB. I could be wrong tho.

[Noobcomputermaker]

ok, So if i have 3-3-3-8 on the ram, what do I do to overclock the cpu now? and do i need to worry about voltages?

[sneekypeet]

eventually...Clock it now until it stops and we can advise further, but as previously posted the CPU should do ~2.7-2.8GHz on stock Vcore voltage. So any changes will most likely be to your divider if the ram doesnt play well at higher MHz.

[Noobcomputermaker]

Can you tell me how to clock it? I have never overclocked before so I dont know what to alter compared to doing what i did before which caused my computer not to work

[sneekypeet]

At this point you just want to raise the FSB by 10MHz jumps and see if it boots and runs something simple like say super-pi to test the ram. As I see it the ram "should" stop before the CPU will.

[mon74]

Maybe i can help, my pc is ancient also :laugh: (very similar to yours)

These are my settings:
bus @ 280 mhz
HT @ 3X
CPU multi @ 10X
Core volts @ 1.40
CPU runs rock stable (24+ orthos) @ 2800 mhz
Memory @ 466 mhz also rock stable
MEM @ 2.75 volts
MEM @ 333 in bios, gives 466 with the 280 bus
Timings @ 3-3-3-8
Command rate T1

Hope this helps with your overclock! :toast:

[spud107]

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18106
here is a list of the mem timings for your board from ocz forums, id try the timings from a pc4000 kit to see if they would work, OCZ PC4000 Platinum EB 2GB kit (3-3-2-8) but at 3-3-3-8 http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=145497&postcount=4

[Noobcomputermaker]

Do I need to change any voltages? All I am doing right now is changing nothing and raising the FSB slowly by 10 ?

[dark2099]

I don't think you should need to change any voltages yet since you are just starting to overclock from the stock speed. But like erocker said, peet seems to be the resident DFI guy, or alteast knows quite alot. Every time I've started overclocking, my volts have be at the normal setting on both my AMD rig and Intel rig.

[erocker]

Do I need to change any voltages? All I am doing right now is changing nothing and raising the FSB slowly by 10 ?

Try putting the fsb 214. That's it.;)

[mon74]

I did raise the cpu voltage from 1.35 to 1.40 volts, but you have an opteron, wich is better than my athlon x2, also to get the mem stable at 466 the voltage up from 2.6 to 2.75 volts.

[Noobcomputermaker]

ok i put it at 214 FSB, while i was in there i put back the 3-3-3-8 setting for the ram since it was reset from the last cmos reload

[mlee49]

Maybe i can help, my pc is ancient also :laugh: (very similar to yours)

These are my settings:
bus @ 280 mhz
HT @ 3X
CPU multi @ 10X
Core volts @ 1.40
CPU runs rock stable (24+ orthos) @ 2800 mhz
Memory @ 466 mhz also rock stable
MEM @ 2.75 volts
MEM @ 333 in bios, gives 466 with the 280 bus
Timings @ 3-3-3-8
Command rate T1

Hope this helps with your overclock! :toast:

Thanks for the details. Finally someone with an MSI Neo 4! I push a 180 opty and I wanna shoot for 3.2GHz so this forum has helped greatly!!

[sneekypeet]

so it runs ok at 214FSB , if the answer is yes, push the FSB as I say by 10's (doesnt matter really), until it quits booting, or running a test.

After you reach that point tell us what it is and we shall help from there!

[spud107]

Thanks for the details. Finally someone with an MSI Neo 4! I push a 180 opty and I wanna shoot for 3.2GHz so this forum has helped greatly!!


dunno if this applies to your neo4, but some things to look out for in the advanced timings,
twr, 3=2 2=3, i set to 3 to get 2,
twtr, keep at auto or 2 or no post, mines at 2,
trwt, keep at auto or no post,
keep async and preamble at 6ns
tref at 1x3120

got it from here
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19883

[mon74]

Thanks mlee49. I was shooting for 3 ghz, but my athlon wouldn't go beyond 2.85 ghz, tried with lower mem divider, more volts, higher bus with lower multi, and no go.

Eventually tried the cpu in my brother's mobo (abit kn8) and hit the same wall at 2.85 ghz, so just went for the highest cpu-bus-mem combo i could achieve with stability.

[Noobcomputermaker]

ok I got it to 235 FBS, after that, once the computer starts to load it shows the data pool then my monitor loses signal and it restarts again and shows motherboard logo on the screen and keeps repeating that. So anything above 235 ( in intervals of plus 10, havent tried plus 1, or plus 5 increases) does not work

[dark2099]

Try the plus 1 and and then report back to us (maybe include screen shots of CPU-Z showing the main tab and memory tab) and we can figure out if it you need to change a specific setting or if it is time to increase the voltage(which would be my guess).

[sneekypeet]

ok I got it to 235 FBS, after that, once the computer starts to load it shows the data pool then my monitor loses signal and it restarts again and shows motherboard logo on the screen and keeps repeating that. So anything above 235 ( in intervals of plus 10, havent tried plus 1, or plus 5 increases) does not work

My thought is, that this is where the ram is stopping. There are two choices here.

#1 add a bit more voltage to the ram, altho I suggest active colling on them before you go too high. I say under 2.8ish is ok on DDR. Feel them to verify how hot they are.

#2 put the ram on a 180 or 166 divider and continue you course of action

My advice is the later, as it wont over stress hardware at this point. Also, soon you may require a tenth of a volt(0.10) bump on the NB.

Also a little late in the process, but be sure in bios to disable Cn'Q or Cool and Quiet mode. This will help to stabilize the voltages, and no drops when in windows!

[Noobcomputermaker]

Ok so can you give me exact directions on what to do?

[sneekypeet]

Ok so can you give me exact directions on what to do?

Go to the dram settings and the top 200 change it to 180/188(depending on bios) or 166 and boot. verify in CPU-z the ramspeed.

Then just continue to push the FSB. The NB voltage is on the same page as the CPU and other voltages.

[Noobcomputermaker]

Ok so i am going into bios and changing the DRAM setting to 180/188 OR 180/166? or would it be 166 by itself? Also you mention the NB voltage is on the same page as the CPU and other voltages, am I changing the NB Voltages? Sorry if I seem clueless just want to make sure I am being correct

[Noobcomputermaker]

Should I add .10 volt increase to the NB voltages?

[sneekypeet]

It wont hurt to add the tenth of a volt to the NB will help with ram and FSB stability. Also the on dividers just put in 166 and there is no confusion!

Gonna game for a bit ...Ill check back in in a few.

[Noobcomputermaker]

I am not sure i changed the right thing because im a noob, i changed the DRAM frequency to 166=ram/fsb: 05/06 and i had to reset CMOS again, and I could not find the NB volt with the other volts. So I will go back and try and find the right thing to change

[Noobcomputermaker]

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEwODMxOTU2NXZuZHF2WWk0RkJfM18yX 2wuZ2lm

the top one is what i changed that i think was the wrong one or was right but made my computer not load, bbl dinner : )

[Noobcomputermaker]

ok back, did I change the wrong thing?

[mon74]

You are right, the first line is where you set your mem to 166 mhz... Did you leave everything else in auto? Some motherboards tighten the timings too much when you select a lower divider, try manually setting your ram to 3-3-3-8, then put your HT to 3X, and start upping your bus in 10 mhz increments.

[Noobcomputermaker]

He also mentioned 180/188

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

When i had my opty 165, I had it on the DFI LP nf4 Ultra-D board. I was able to overclock it to 2.7GHz on stock volts. :D

[mon74]

He also mentioned 180/188

To go higher with your cpu, i recommend the 166 mhz setting.

[Noobcomputermaker]

What did you have your DRAM settings on Crash ?

[mon74]

Maybe these screen shots will help you a little...

[Noobcomputermaker]

Here are my Current ones

[sneekypeet]

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEwODMxOTU2NXZuZHF2WWk0RkJfMl8yN l9sLmdpZg==

Nb voltage!


That CPU-z screenie shows your ram at 200 boot speed set it to 166 and try again. If it keeps causing issues you may have to try 133....this is what I ment about if the DFI played nicely with the ram.

[mon74]

Your ram is already reaching it's limits at 235 mhz (470 ddr), push it back to 166 mhz (333 ddr) in the first line of your mem settings, also set the HT to 3X, i will not hinder performance, then start upping your bus.

[sneekypeet]

The HT is fine...the DFI will boot to arount 1200Ht speed. no worries as he has to get to 250FSB anways before he reaches 1000HT

[mon74]

The HT is fine...the DFI will boot to arount 1200Ht speed. no worries as he has to get to 250FSB anways before he reaches 1000HT

Mine will crapout at 1005! :laugh:

[sneekypeet]

Proof is in the screenie!
http://img.techpowerup.org/080522/3D06Vmodsingle76.jpg

[Noobcomputermaker]

Ok, I changed to voltage up .10 and tried the 166 again, No luck, if its the ram thats the issue, should i increase the DRAM voltage by .10? but idk anything lol. What do I do now?

[mon74]

My brother's Abit also reaches 1200HT without breaking a sweat, my MSI on the other hand... :banghead:

[sneekypeet]

Could try a tenth on the ram , but it may just not like thr divider with the DFI....Try 133 and see if it boots as is!

[Noobcomputermaker]

So instead of the 166 DRAM frequency do 133 ?

[sneekypeet]

try it yes!

[mon74]

Just to understand better your problem... The moment you set your mem to 166 it won't boot?

[sneekypeet]

Just to understand better your problem... The moment you set your mem to 166 it won't boot?

what I got from this is either a boot loop or BSOD and either way it looks like he had to clear CMOS to get his system back.

"I am not sure i changed the right thing because im a noob, i changed the DRAM frequency to 166=ram/fsb: 05/06 and i had to reset CMOS again, and I could not find the NB volt with the other volts. So I will go back and try and find the right thing to change"

[Noobcomputermaker]

OK I tried 133, it wouldn't boot, my computer itself would make a loud beep then stop, then a few seconds later would make that beep and would keep just doing that.

[sneekypeet]

Sounds to my like typical incompatability with the DFI 939 line of mobo's.

They really do crave TCCD or BH-5 to run at its best.

[Noobcomputermaker]

So I cant overclock?

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

What did you have your DRAM settings on Crash ?

Oh jeeze its been forever. I couldnt even tell you. If I had a BIOS screenshot, I might be able to tell ya.

[mon74]

Maybe try a bios flash? if it is an incompatibility like sneekypeet thinks, a newer version of the bios should help.

[sneekypeet]

So I cant overclock?

How do I say this...There are certain issues that are inherant with buying a DFI. I myself learned the hard way. I started with that exact mobo and a 3200+ single core, some corsair value ram , and an x800.

Ended up getting 4 different types of ram over a year and a few CPU's. Just from personal experience...the DFI will and can be your worst enemy with average ram.

Hard to say...could be the dislike of the PSU as I fryed my antec on the same mobo, later to read that the Antec and DFI were a known issue of incompatability.

But the two things I found over and over was the power and ram on the DFI Ultra-D was crucial to its ability to Overclock "well".

Feel free to hit me up on MSNmessenger for any more help, or cmparison screenies or the like. Look at the AMDOverclockerClub on page 2 of the club section....loads of great stuff toread there, just be forwarned there is a lot of BS to skim through as well.

[Noobcomputermaker]

oh well : ( , thanks for the help guys, is it safe to leave it at 335 fsb and the ram at 3-3-3-8 ?

[mon74]

oh well : ( , thanks for the help guys, is it safe to leave it at 335 fsb and the ram at 3-3-3-8 ?

You mean 235 fsb? in that case is safe. :toast:

[Noobcomputermaker]

kk, well at least I got a little overclocking, but damn i was hoping for more. So nothing I can do to fix this road block : (

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I had OCZ Platinum DDR400 in my board and I was still able to OC my CPU to 2.7GHz from 1.8 on stock volts. I dont see why you would have a problem with the same CPU and board (save for yours is the SLi version and mine wasnt) as i had. Put everythign at stock, jack up the FSB to 2.7GHz, save and exit bios, see if you can get into windows, if you can prime. If not, then im not sure what to say. Its been a while since I have had to OC an AMD rig.

[sneekypeet]

I had OCZ Platinum DDR400 in my board and I was still able to OC my CPU to 2.7GHz from 1.8 on stock volts. I dont see why you would have a problem with the same CPU and board (save for yours is the SLi version and mine wasnt) as i had. Put everythign at stock, jack up the FSB to 2.7GHz, save and exit bios, see if you can get into windows, if you can prime. If not, then im not sure what to say. Its been a while since I have had to OC an AMD rig.

Was it an ultra -d and was it the exact ram he has? OCZ had a nice run a while back, but the good stuff is mostly gone now. Due mostly to IC differences in revisions!

[Noobcomputermaker]

Crash, what FBS equals 2.7 GHZ ?

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Whats the multi? 9x? 10x?

[Noobcomputermaker]

its on 9x right now, my bios was reset with last attempt on the 133 DRAM frequency failure

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

So the 9x is as high as it can go?

[sneekypeet]

So the 9x is as high as it can go?

its an opty 165...stock is 1.8GHz with a 9 multi

The issue here is your ram boots only 1:1 and to hit 2.7GHz the FSB needs to be at 300 to do so. This means in turn that you ram needs to be capable of 300MHz as well. Im sorry to say I dont see that in your cards!

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

its an opty 165...stock is 1.8GHz with a 9 multi

The issue here is your ram boots only 1:1 and to hit 2.7GHz the FSB needs to be at 300 to do so. This means in turn that you ram needs to be capable of 300MHz as well. Im sorry to say I dont see that in your cards!
How'd I manage it then?

[Noobcomputermaker]

Would keeping the ram underclocked and not manually putting in 3-3-3-8 work?

[Noobcomputermaker]

And can being Dual channel affect this? im just throwing ideas out

[sneekypeet]

How'd I manage it then?

the second part was directed at the OP. I never ment to say you hadnt achieved it. Im saying the OP's ram cuts out at 235 how is he gonna boot 300MHz

@ noob...underclocking your ram isnt booting, thats why we were trying to get your divider lower. And dual channel will have more good effects than ill when overclocking!

[erocker]

And can being Dual channel affect this? im just throwing ideas out
No.

Would keeping the ram underclocked and not manually putting in 3-3-3-8 work?

Mabye, but why?

[Noobcomputermaker]

http://www.devhardware.com/forums/cpu-overclocking-19/opteron-165-overclock-74929.html

Is this any help?

[sneekypeet]

http://www.devhardware.com/forums/cpu-overclocking-19/opteron-165-overclock-74929.html

Is this any help?

That is all great by numbers...but you can not boot on a ram divider and your ram will not OC well. this is killing your ability to OC no matter what the voltages or the bus speeds!

[OzzmanFloyd120]

It would be alot easier if we could see over his shoulder at what he's doing.

[Noobcomputermaker]

So, what is the biggest upgrade for me to make to my computer, upgrade the ram to overclock the cpu, or a new cpu that would be faster and cost less than the ram upgrade to make my cpu equal to the cpu's speed i would buy (confusing huh?)

[Noobcomputermaker]

It would be alot easier if we could see over his shoulder at what he's doing.

Ok pretend I never ran into any issues or anything, approach this again as if everything should work, what would you tell me to do to overclock it normally

[erocker]

It wouldn't be worth upgrading your computer due to it's a bit outdated and the cost of upgrading far exceeds the performance gains if you can even find the parts. You've barely scratched the surface with optimizing your rig, give it a little time.

[sneekypeet]

I hate to advise upgrading a 939 rig unless you plan to keep it for a while. DDR is expensive, but I do see it dropping lately in price.

If the CPU is a good clocker there arent many CPU's better.

[Noobcomputermaker]

ok just to make sure I did everything right here is all my settings:

DRAM Configuration: Press Enter
FSB Bus Frequency: 235 MHz
LDT/FSB Frequency Ratio: Auto
LDT Bus Transfer Width (down)16 (up) 16
CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio: Auto
PCI Express Frequency: 100MHz
K8 Cool'n' Quiet Support: Disable
x Cool 'n ' Quiet MAX FID: Auto
CPU VID Startup Value: Startup

CPU Core Voltage 1.35v
LDT BUS voltage 1.22v
Chip set Voltage 1.54v
DRAM 2.5v Voltage 2.56v

CPU Vid Control : Auto
Cpu vid Special Control: Auto
LDT Voltage Control: 1.20v
Chip Set Voltage Control 1.50v
DRAM+.03V If it's not 3.2v: Disable

PCI Express Configuration : X2 X1 X16 X1
Dual NV Card support: Disable
Mac Lan: Auto
Mac Media Interface: Pin Strap
Machine MAC(NV) Address: Disabled
xMAC(NV) Address Input : Press Enter
MAC Lan Boot ROM: Disabled
Internal Phy STA 1/2: Enabled
Internal Phy SATA 3/4: Enabled
Sil3114 S-ATA Raid Control: SATA Raid .0.1.0(rest got cut off from picture)
VIA 1394 Control: Enabled
Run MemTest86+

DRAM Frequency Set (Mhz) By DRAM SPD Value
Command Per Clock (CPC) Auto
CAS Latency Control (Tcl) 3.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (TRCD) 03 Bus Clocks
MIN RAS# active time (Tras) 08 Bus Clocks
Row Recharge time (Trp) 03 Bus Clocks
Row cycle time (Trc) 07 Bus Clocks
Row refresh cyc time (trfc) Auto
Row to delay (Trrd) 02 Bus Clocks
Write Recovery time (Twr) 02 Bus clocks
Write to Read delay (Twtr) 03 Bus clocks
Read to Write delay (Trwt) 03 Bus Clocks
Refresh Period (Tref) 3120 Cycles
Odd Divisor Correct Disabled
DRAM Bank Interleave Enabled

DQS Skew Control: Auto
DQS Skew value: 0
DRAM Drive Strength: Auto
DRAM Data Drive Strength: Auto
Max Async Latency: Auto
DRAM Response Time: Fast
Read Preamble Time: Auto
Idlecycle Limit: 256 Cycles
Dynamic Counter: Disable
R/w Queue Bypass: 16x
Bypass Max: 07x
32 Byte Granularity Disable (4 Bursts (rest got cut off) )

[mon74]

The limiting factor with your overclock is that you can't set the 166 divider. Try setting the command rate to 2T (i think is the second line on your bios) you will loose a little performance, but you gain stabillity, and then maybe you can use the 166 mhz divider.

[Noobcomputermaker]

well i tried changing the divider to 166 with everything at default settings even the FBS at 200 and my computer wont load if that helps narrow it down to blaming the ram or something

[Noobcomputermaker]

!! i tried setting the divider to 180 and putting my FBS at 240 and it worked, does this mean anything good!

[Noobcomputermaker]

ok i just put in 250 FBS now, no boot loop !

[mon74]

You are on the right track, try lowering the command rate (command per clock on your bios) so you can go a little higher. :toast:

[Noobcomputermaker]

Can you go on MSN messenger so i can talk to you on a labtop while in my bios on this computer

[Noobcomputermaker]

Right now my command per clock is on Auto, which has the option to Enable it

[Noobcomputermaker]

it says "Enable to force1T clock timing of CMD Address bus

[Noobcomputermaker]

Enable it to force 1T ?

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

ill check out my dad's BIOS since it has the same overclock. At least I think it does. Anyway, ill go down and check and write down stuff that you need to look at.

[Noobcomputermaker]

kk at 260 FBS

[mon74]

Try to force 2T.

noobcomputermaker, it was you on my messenger?

[mon74]

So you are at 260 fsb X 9 cpu ratio, that gives you 2340 mhz, your cpu con do 2700 with ease.

Your bios doesn't have the 2T option?

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

All stock volts 300x9=2700MHz. 2.5-3-6-3 1T timings.

[Noobcomputermaker]

"2.5-3-6-3 1T timings" since my timing on my mobo are not in order, can you tell me what each number is for, and also maybe changing the timing will fix it, but I am unstable when I run Orthos


1:Using CPU #0
2:Using CPU #1
1:Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
2:Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
1:Press Stop to end this test.
2:Press Stop to end this test.
1:Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using 1024K FFT length.
2:Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using 1024K FFT length.
1:Torture Test ran 1 minutes 8 seconds - 0 errors, 0 warnings.
1:Execution halted.

2:Torture Test ran 1 minutes 8 seconds - 0 errors, 0 warnings.
2:Execution halted.

Type: Blend - stress CPU and RAM Min: 8 Max: 4096 InPlace: No Mem: 1790 Time: 15
CPU: 2160MHz FSB: 194MHz [196MHz x 11.0 est.]
CPU: 2160MHz FSB: 194MHz [196MHz x 11.0 est.]
12/31/2005 11:08 PM
Launching 2 threads...
2:Using CPU #1
1:Using CPU #0
2:Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
2:Press Stop to end this test.
1:Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
2:Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using 1024K FFT length.
1:Press Stop to end this test.
1:Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using 1024K FFT length.
2:Torture Test ran 3 minutes 21 seconds - 0 errors, 0 warnings.
2:Execution halted.

1:Torture Test ran 3 minutes 20 seconds - 0 errors, 0 warnings.
1:Execution halted.

Type: Blend - stress CPU and RAM Min: 8 Max: 4096 InPlace: No Mem: 1790 Time: 15
CPU: 2340MHz FSB: 194MHz [195MHz x 12.0 est.]
CPU: 2340MHz FSB: 194MHz [195MHz x 12.0 est.]
5/23/2008 5:15 PM
Launching 2 threads...
1:Using CPU #0
2:Using CPU #1
1:Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
2:Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
1:Press Stop to end this test.
2:Press Stop to end this test.
1:Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using 1024K FFT length.
2:Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using 1024K FFT length.
2:Test 2, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922943 using 1024K FFT length.
1:Test 2, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922943 using 1024K FFT length.
2:Test 3, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19374367 using 1024K FFT length.
1:Test 3, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19374367 using 1024K FFT length.
2:Test 4, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19174369 using 1024K FFT length.
1:Test 4, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19174369 using 1024K FFT length.
1:FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.49609375, expected less than 0.4
1:Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
1:Torture Test ran 11 minutes 41 seconds - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
1:Execution halted.

2:Torture Test ran 11 minutes 41 seconds - 0 errors, 0 warnings.
2:Execution halted.

Type: Blend - stress CPU and RAM Min: 8 Max: 4096 InPlace: No Mem: 1790 Time: 15
CPU: 2340MHz FSB: 194MHz [195MHz x 12.0 est.]
CPU: 2340MHz FSB: 194MHz [195MHz x 12.0 est.]
5/23/2008 5:38 PM
Launching 2 threads...
1:Using CPU #0
2:Using CPU #1
1:Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
2:Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
1:Press Stop to end this test.
2:Press Stop to end this test.
1:Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using 1024K FFT length.
2:Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using 1024K FFT length.
2:FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.49609375, expected less than 0.4
2:Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
2:Torture Test ran 3 minutes 58 seconds - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
2:Execution halted.

1:Torture Test ran 3 minutes 58 seconds - 0 errors, 0 warnings.
1:Execution halted


Crash is that with 180 divider as well?

[Noobcomputermaker]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227084

Should I change my bios to this? for my ram?

[mon74]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227084

Should I change my bios to this? for my ram?

Before buying new ram, you should check youre board have the latest bios, if not, upgrade to the latest, maybe the compatibility issue is already fixed...

[mon74]

Sorry, you are not buying ram, that is the one you currently have...

[Noobcomputermaker]

on that link I showed you click on the tab that says specs Instead of customer reviews,

Model
Brand OCZ
Model OCZP4002GK
Type 184-Pin DDR SDRAM
Tech Spec
Capacity 2GB (2 x 1GB)
Speed DDR 400 (PC 3200)
Cas Latency 2
Timing 2-3-2-5
Voltage V1.x = 2.6 Volts
V2.x = 2.8 Volts
Heat Spreader Yes
Features Mirrored Platinum XTC Heat Spreader
Enhanced Latency Technolog
Recommend Use High Performance or Gaming Memory


Is what i wanted you to look at, those timings

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

"2.5-3-6-3 1T timings" since my timing on my mobo are not in order, can you tell me what each number is for, and also maybe changing the timing will fix it, but I am unstable when I run Orthos
Crash is that with 180 divider as well?

Ah shit the divider. I saw it in there and i forget what it said. Im trying to remember. It was 1x0 i know that. Cant remember if its a 5,6, or 8. Id run down and check but my dad is on it atm.

[sneekypeet]

Two things here....

Change the LDT/FSB to 4

And if you want 2T timings (IMHO a waiste at this low of a clock) set the selection in DRAM where it says enabled for 1T to disabled and CPU-z should read @2T

Im going to advise this, and maybe it will sink in. You bought one of the toughest 939 mobo's to OC. I say a bit of homework on your part here is esential.

Read up on others sucesses with the DFI's and learn what the funtions in your bios are for. Google is a huge help here.

The way this seems to be going you are having trouble listening or doing 5 different things at once. I say stick with one teacher and learn a bit then move to the next guy and see if they can pick up on what the others have missed. May simplify things for ya!

[Kirby123]

I am using a P5K with my E8400 now... and i have 4gb of 1066mhz ram with xigmatek cpu cooler. 3.6ghz and video card at 905/1026 and other 918/1053(oc)

[Noobcomputermaker]

Just an update I got new ram and the overclocking is going to be more successful now

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/262/1/

[dark2099]

Well lets hope that now you can get that thing really going.

[Kirby123]

Who owns a E8400? whats everyones gaming oc on theres? mine is currently at 3.6ghz

[Noobcomputermaker]

ok Here is the final outcome of my overclocking for now, this is exactly what the other person who posted in my thread overclocked this cpu to on air.

Thanks for the help guys

[sneekypeet]

Dont forget I bumped the voltage on the CPU quite a bit...try dropping the CPU voltage little by little to see how much is actually needed to pass testing!