A64 3200+ 754 vs E2160

[xubidoo]

As the title says which is faster ? id assume the E2160 even at default speeds would be faster ,but by how much ? big difference or would it be close?

I ask asa friend of mine is considering buy the board + cpu off me thats in my sig ,but they want to be sure that the E2160 would be significantly faster?

if they was to buy it their spec would be..

E2160 @1.8ghz for now with stock cooler and lousy case cooling
AsRock 775dualvsta
7600GT AGP
1gb DDR Dual channel

so would that be much better than their current 3200+ s754 ? and cheapo board they current have?

[Wile E]

As the title says which is faster ? id assume the E2160 even at default speeds would be faster ,but by how much ? big difference or would it be close?

I ask asa friend of mine is considering buy the board + cpu off me thats in my sig ,but they want to be sure that the E2160 would be significantly faster?

if they was to buy it their spec would be..

E2160 @1.8ghz for now with stock cooler and lousy case cooling
AsRock 775dualvsta
7600GT AGP
1gb DDR Dual channel

so would that be much better than their current 3200+ s754 ? and cheapo board they current have?The E2160 is ridiculously faster. But if all they do is word processing and email checking, they may not notice.

[eidairaman1]

ok, your comparing tech that came out around 2002/2003 to stuff that came out 2006/2007, do the math.

[xubidoo]

they are gamers ,when they can find stuff they can run :)

eidairman1 ,i asked because i have no idea about AMD stuff tbh ,and that the E2160 is pretty much a budget chip ,so i thought they might b reasonably close.

thanks for the helpful post anyway lol

[Wile E]

they are gamers ,when they can find stuff they can run :)

eidairman1 ,i asked because i have no idea about AMD stuff tbh ,and that the E2160 is pretty much a budget chip ,so i thought they might b reasonably close.

thanks for the helpful post anyway lol

Not even reasonably close. lol.

[xubidoo]

heh ,ok thanks a lot Wile E ,appreciated for your replies.

[DaedalusHelios]

My 2140 reached 3.5Ghz 24/7 stable at relatively high volts.;)

The E2140 in my HTPC sits at 3.3Ghz 24/7 stable and its the best processor I have ever bought.(price-per-performance wise)

The E2140 sits at that speed with the cheap AC Freezer 7 pro. Pretty good heatsink and really affordable too.

[eidairaman1]

ok

AXP-P4
A64 754-p4
A64 939-P4/PD
A64 AM2-C2

the Budget C2 will most definitely Eat the 754.

[xubidoo]

My 2140 reached 3.5Ghz 24/7 stable at relatively high volts.;)

The E2140 in my HTPC sits at 3.3Ghz 24/7 stable and its the best processor I have ever bought.(price-per-performance wise)

The E2140 sits at that speed with the cheap AC Freezer 7 pro. Pretty good heatsink and really affordable too.

i have a Freezer 7 Pro on it atm ,but if/when i sell it to them ,i will be giving them the stock cooler as ill be keeping the Freezer for the next chip i fit into that PC.
The AsRock is a poor overclocker tbh and will only hit 2.5ghz max.
But it appears that even at default speed the E2160 will slaughter their current A64 ,so im sure they will be happy even with it at default speed for now.

Their case only has 2 fans at teh rear both extracting,they have no intake fan at all,so i probably wont bother to OC it for them for now,stock cooler + poor case cooling ,probably not a good idea to OC :)

and seeing as they only have a 7600GT oc prob wont make that much diff anyway ?

[tkpenalty]

i have a Freezer 7 Pro on it atm ,but if/when i sell it to them ,i will be giving them the stock cooler as ill be keeping the Freezer for the next chip i fit into that PC.
The AsRock is a poor overclocker tbh and will only hit 2.5ghz max.
But it appears that even at default speed the E2160 will slaughter their current A64 ,so im sure they will be happy even with it at default speed for now.

Their case only has 2 fans at teh rear both extracting,they have no intake fan at all,so i probably wont bother to OC it for them for now,stock cooler + poor case cooling ,probably not a good idea to OC :)

and seeing as they only have a 7600GT oc prob wont make that much diff anyway ?

I wouldnt be surprised if the A64 bottlenecked the 7600GT.

[mullered07]

i have a Freezer 7 Pro on it atm ,but if/when i sell it to them ,i will be giving them the stock cooler as ill be keeping the Freezer for the next chip i fit into that PC.
The AsRock is a poor overclocker tbh and will only hit 2.5ghz max.
But it appears that even at default speed the E2160 will slaughter their current A64 ,so im sure they will be happy even with it at default speed for now.

Their case only has 2 fans at teh rear both extracting,they have no intake fan at all,so i probably wont bother to OC it for them for now,stock cooler + poor case cooling ,probably not a good idea to OC :)

and seeing as they only have a 7600GT oc prob wont make that much diff anyway ?

that e2160 should run happily all day at 2.4/2.5Ghz on stock volts/cooling, then its like a e4600 minus 1mb of cache

[Mussels]

i'll get my friend in - he's upgrading from a 4200+ dual core to an E2160, let alone a 3200+.

Also, his is doing 3GHz fine on stock cooling, albeit the motherboard is increasing the voltages automatically. I'll tell him to come here and post load temps and such.

[Luke]

this is my E2160
it's on the stock cooler from a E6750
and the volts are set to auto and i think they are higher then they should be
i will post super pi of e2160 @ 3Ghz and AMD 4200+ @ 2.75 if any one wants me to

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14914&stc=1&d=1212056006

[Mussels]

this is my E2160
it's on the stock cooler from a E6750
and the volts are set to auto and i think they are higher then they should be
i will post super pi of e2160 @ 3Ghz and AMD 4200+ @ 2.75 if any one wants me to

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14914&stc=1&d=1212056006

oh yeah i forgot, the stock cooler of the 2160 is smaller. It will be a few C higher than the cooler luke is using, as his is the older full size heatsink.

[hat]

That's not even a question. The E2160 totally destroys anything socket 754 or even 939.

[Luke]

my E2160 at stock (1.8ghz) on DDR is as fast as my athlon 4200+ 939 at 2.75Ghz

[xubidoo]

my E2160 at stock (1.8ghz) on DDR is as fast as my athlon 4200+ 939 at 2.75Ghz

ouch ,impressive then ,im sure if its that much faster they will be impressed with it ,altho the 7600GT will kinda let them down badly.

thanks for the replies every1.

[sneekypeet]

the 7600 isnt such a letdown....get that Intel up to 3.0+GHz and watch that 7600 come back to life....I could run COD4 on high settings...it ran crysis on medium....the real and only issue with the 7600 is the 128bit bus....kills it!

If you can get a better cooler on that 7600 other than stock...it drops temps like 20*C and allows for much better OC'ing!

[JrRacinFan]

Xubidoo, just letting you know, my e1200 chip just absolutely murders a 3200+ 754 chip. It's like an e2140 with half the cache disabled.

[candle_86]

that Celeron may destroy a single core A64 but it will loose to even the x2 3600 man because of low cache count, why did ya buy it

[JrRacinFan]

that Celeron may destroy a single core A64 but it will loose to even the x2 3600 man because of low cache count, why did ya buy it

WTF r u smoking? It's very close to performance as a 5kBE.

[sneekypeet]

WTF r u smoking? It's very close to performance as a 5kBE.

I have an E2200 which is a glorified Celery...and it PWNS my old Opty at 3.15GHz.

I have to back what Jr is pushing here....but It may have more to do with the ram than the CPU...but these little intels are impressive!

[FatForester]

Oh yea, there's a very noticeable difference between them! I went from a 3500+ to a e2180 and there is absolutely no comparison.

I wouldnt be surprised if the A64 bottlenecked the 7600GT.

You're acting like AMD 64's were 10 years ago! 754's use the same basic architecture except that the memory controller was revamped for 939. My friend had a 3800+ and a 7900GT and he was still very GPU limited. Of course, once he got an 8800GT that changed dramatically. :laugh:

[niko084]

The E2160 is ridiculously faster. But if all they do is word processing and email checking, they may not notice.

Pretty much in all reality the basic fact of this... There is no comparrison at all, a heavily overclocking 3200+ "might" be able to compare to a stock clocked e2160 and probably not.

[sneekypeet]

Pretty much in all reality the basic fact of this... There is no comparrison at all, a heavily overclocking 3200+ "might" be able to compare to a stock clocked e2160 and probably not.

I would say its fair that my opty at 3.15GHz would run superPi at close to the same times as the stock E2200. but that is 2.2GHz for the intel....and shes at 3.4GHz on air now!

you do the math...lol

[JrRacinFan]

that Celeron may destroy a single core A64 but it will loose to even the x2 3600 man because of low cache count, why did ya buy it

Sorry i was a little shrewd earlier. I bought it because I am strictly all about budget and getting the best of the cheapest.

[Mussels]

Sorry i was a little shrewd earlier. I bought it because I am strictly all about budget and getting the best of the cheapest.

not to mention it destroys even the full cache dual core A64's.

Lukes AMD system (OC'd) used to match my FX62 in most things (even in superpi it was about a 10% difference at best) and his intel setup totally destroys that. TH E2160 might not be that much faster than AMD's at stock, but the massive OC from them for 'free' on most boards (200FSB chip in a 400FSB 'stock' mobo) means that you really cant get much of an easier OC.

[eidairaman1]

Nice Mobo to Pair that Chip with is the Abit IP35-Pro.

[candle_86]

Sorry i was a little shrewd earlier. I bought it because I am strictly all about budget and getting the best of the cheapest.

i compared yours to the dual core 3600 which is faster in most benchmarks. The E1200 is on a limited FSB so most of its data to process quickly has to be stored in the L2. SuperPI doesnt use the L2 cache to its extent. But your 2x256k L2 limits you in alot of ways. At 3.2ghz that E1200 could maybe compete with an E4500 @ stock. I like the core microarcituture alot but they are still highly cache dependent the less cache the worse your actully going to do in the real world. SuperPI times mean how fast your CPU can do interger math.

[Wile E]

not to mention it destroys even the full cache dual core A64's.I'm sorry to say, but it doesn't. That 512k cache really, REALLY hurts it. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-e1200.html

It's easily beaten by a Brisbane 4000+ X2.

[candle_86]

thank you