X1800 series experiences / overclock results etc.

[Rammsteiner]

? XT's only use 1,3V? You mean in 2D? I thought they use 1,4V in 3D :confused:.

[Hypersonik]

Just a quick question: Can anyone tell me why when using the Overclocker I cannot choose between 2d or 3d clocks, they are all blanked!
Using an ATi X1800XL, Skt478 P4, Albatron px915p4c mobo. Was wondering if sticking a sapphire BIOS on there might help with my overclocks?

[pheoniXfury]

I haven't looked into if there's a change in voltage for the XT...I know for sure there's a speed change.

A flash to a Sapphire BIOS wouldn't change anything because the change between 2D and 3D is only done on XT version of the card...not XL. You don't have to worry about the 2D/3D. I would actually recommend using the beta version of ATI Tool (beta 11). Overclocker tool messes with the memory timmings or something...it gets u higher clocks but lower scores.

[Hypersonik]

Well, since I got my XL from ATi and its going to cost me >£30 to do an RMA, i've ordered another one, a sapphire one. Going to swap the cooler and RMA it and ask for a refund, its cheesing me off now

[Rammsteiner]

I haven't looked into if there's a change in voltage for the XT...I know for sure there's a speed change.

A flash to a Sapphire BIOS wouldn't change anything because the change between 2D and 3D is only done on XT version of the card...not XL. You don't have to worry about the 2D/3D. I would actually recommend using the beta version of ATI Tool (beta 11). Overclocker tool messes with the memory timmings or something...it gets u higher clocks but lower scores.
I always stick to just one OC utility, and thats Atitool :D. But my core dont OC all that high (1,5V and 725Mhz wont work), but I tried to lower the Vcore and its doing ATM 711Mhz @ 1,375V :rockout:. Still wondering how to OC the memory (dont know how many Volt is safe for VDD and VDDQ. I know Samsungs specs are 2.0V +/-0.1, but thats what Ati did :rolleyes: )

[pheoniXfury]

I think usually vRam = 2.1 and vRam IO just below vRam is pretty good...the memory OC scales with vCore...which is why I haven't actually got over 700 on my 1.4ns ram.

[Rammsteiner]

I think usually vRam = 2.1 and vRam IO just below vRam is pretty good...the memory OC scales with vCore...which is why I haven't actually got over 700 on my 1.4ns ram.
Will the memory be very responsive to Volt? I mean not in overclocking, but if it dies or something :eek:.

[pheoniXfury]

well...if u can keep it cool...I'd say run it at 2.2...and if ur really extreme...2.3...but I don't think that will gain u anything at all.

I've seen ppl running 2.2 already without problems. Samsung rated these modules for 2volts...so if u have RAM sinks with good air flow over it...u can safely go to 2.2. I think since u got to 700Mhz...which is the rated max...more volts on the core might not help as much now...so upping the vMem might be the way to go (I have heard of ppl doing 800 on these).

Just don't push ur luck by going over 2.3-2.4v...I can't say what'll happen then if there's insufficient cooling. These modules may actually get slightly dmged and cause artifacts.

[wtf8269]

Are there any aftermarket air coolers for these things? I saw the new Arctic Coolers on the front of the page, but those won't be out for awhile and I'd prefer a non-ducted heatsink because of my side fans.

[Rammsteiner]

well...if u can keep it cool...I'd say run it at 2.2...and if ur really extreme...2.3...but I don't think that will gain u anything at all.

I've seen ppl running 2.2 already without problems. Samsung rated these modules for 2volts...so if u have RAM sinks with good air flow over it...u can safely go to 2.2. I think since u got to 700Mhz...which is the rated max...more volts on the core might not help as much now...so upping the vMem might be the way to go (I have heard of ppl doing 800 on these).

Just don't push ur luck by going over 2.3-2.4v...I can't say what'll happen then if there's insufficient cooling. These modules may actually get slightly dmged and cause artifacts.
My RAM is rated for 800Mhz, but that doesnt matter. Well, I certainly need some watercooling. Might quit thinking about casemodding, just have a fast PC :rolleyes:. I'll make some custom memory sinks and also will change the VRM sink with a bigger one. And ofcourse make one for the MOSFETs :rockout:.

[pheoniXfury]

I believe kits designed for recent nVidia cards might fit nicely. I'm a little skeptical about the mounting wholes...they may be a few millimetres off as I found out while putting on my waterblock.

LOL...custom sinks...I like the way u think:toast: If my card didn't have the bug...I'd do the same...but I have no reason to now.

[Rammsteiner]

What waterblock do you use?

[pheoniXfury]

it's the block in the Kinwin AWC-1...all copper block...load temp of 49C when OC'ed.

[Rammsteiner]

Thx, but I think I might get something else :rolleyes:. Anyway, anyone know if the Silverprop Cyclone Fusion SL fits on X1800XT?

[TooFast]

love it!!

[Rammsteiner]

love it!!
You mean it fits? :confused:.

[OneCool]

You mean it fits? :confused:.

What about this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835116017

Not to mention these are coming soon http://www.techpowerup.com/?7730

[Dillinger]

were can I get that 3D mark program

[EastCoasthandle]

Anyone else besides a handful of folk finding good success with cooling the mosfets of the x1800xt

For example use copper (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcbgamera.html) and not aluminum

[Rammsteiner]

I put a fan (stucked between wires :D ) after the VGA, pointing on the MOSFETs. under load they're like 55~60 degrees :rockout:.

[EastCoasthandle]

I put a fan (stucked between wires :D ) after the VGA, pointing on the MOSFETs. under load they're like 55~60 degrees :rockout:.

put some copper ram sinks on those mosfets and then put a fan on it. I bet that thing would ROCK
You->:nutkick:<-heat

The one thing I realize is the cooler the mosfets the less fluc in the current, the less fluc the more stable the video card becomes...The more stable the VC is at the very least, the less likely you see dips in frame rates..IMO

Although this is nothing to brag about:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/CSSbenchM1024by768.jpg
136.58 FPS in CS:S stress test, everything on high (I Don't think HDR actually works) at 1280x1024

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/HL2LCpart2.jpg
80.79 FPS HL2: Lost Coast...this has sound enabled with HDR, everything on high at 1280x1024


In these bench results nothing is overclocked. I only added 6 aluminum ram sinks for the 6 mosfets.
If you are not sure where to find copper ram sinks, try here: Swiftech MC14 BGA Memory Ramsinks (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcbgamera.html)

[pheoniXfury]

maybe the OCZ flower heatsinks on them...they're copper...cools well...and should be a good size for the card

[EastCoasthandle]

maybe the OCZ flower heatsinks on them...they're copper...cools well...and should be a good size for the card
Swiftech MC14 BGA Memory Ramsinks (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcbgamera.html) or OCZ Copper BGA Ramsink (http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/cooling_products/ocz_copper_bga_ramsink)
is there another kind?

[Rammsteiner]

You're right about cooling them It will indeed have more solid framerates as result. Well, still looking around for cooling, but Ive a broken arm so probably not able to install :cry:.

[Rammsteiner]

Its still a mystery for me how the card reacts to Volt. Higher VDD results in faster artifact detection, higher VDDQ keeps it more stable, but VDD has to be stock. Too high VDDQ results in fast detection, too less VDDQ (but above stock) results in fast detection. Man, this is making me crazy :ohwell:. The core can go higher because it only locks up, no artifacts. But Im not willing to go 1,4V+ with stock cooler.

[pheoniXfury]

The BGA sinks could be too bulky...but I could be wrong.

I'd probably go buy a piece of copper and dremel the thing into a custom cooler for the regulators...that'll probably do really well. If my card OC'ed well, I'd make custom waterblocks for the whole card covering GPU, RAM, and regulators...but there's really no reason for me to do so now. Maybe when I get a 1900XTX...lol

if ur interested in watercooling...I've heard of a one piece waterblock that will take care of the 3 hot points of this card...I think Sampsa over at XS will get a couple of them for testing soon.

[hotrippr]

If the new 1900s have 48 pipes, does that mean the MB must also have a 48x slot?

[Rammsteiner]

If the new 1900s have 48 pipes, does that mean the MB must also have a 48x slot?
:confused:, it just has 16 pipelines!?

[wtf8269]

And even if it was 48pp it would still only be PCIE x16.

[hotrippr]

I see, it will actually be 16 that can do 3pix per=48.

[Eliminator]

do any of you guys get artifacts instantly in ati tool using the "scan for artifacts" button at stock speeds/voltages?

[Steven B]

im a member now, x1800xl, i think its cool but it lags a bit in BF2 demo on all high

[Rammsteiner]

do any of you guys get artifacts instantly in ati tool using the "scan for artifacts" button at stock speeds/voltages?
Maybe you might try to scan on the old way? (more compatible)

[pheoniXfury]

yeah...the # of pixel pipes has nothing to do with the PCI-E lanes.

There are a sh1t load of pixel processors for R580 but only 16pipes. We'll see how this fairs compared to G71 (which is an increase from 24pipes to 32...a 33% increase).

[EastCoasthandle]

yeah...the # of pixel pipes has nothing to do with the PCI-E lanes.

There are a sh1t load of pixel processors for R580 but only 16pipes. We'll see how this fairs compared to G71 (which is an increase from 24pipes to 32...a 33% increase).
As much as I hate to admit it, that don't make sense at all. For the 520, 16 pipes was fine but for the 580, they should have at least added another 6 pipes IMO. But like you said, we have to wait and see what happens...

[EastCoasthandle]

This photo shows the X1800xt with 5 ram sinks on 6 mosfets
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xt2.jpg


At idle my voltage regulator temps were roughly 50C to 53C at idle after I installed the copper Ram sinks they are now idling at 46C. I am using riva Tuner and they don't recognize Cat 5.13 so I am limited on it's functionality.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xttemps2.jpg


This card is at stock. Nothing new about that. I just figured that the voltage regulator was a bit to high at idle even with the fan at 100%. Could someone upload their voltage temps for comparison? I like to know if this is really making a difference or not. To me I see some difference.

...oh yeah...almost forgot...those look pretty nice! Ever thought about replacing the long red aluminum heatsink?
Not yet, I need more ram sinks as I used the other pack for the motherboard! But I was thinking the same thing! Better yet keep it and and a dollop of AS5.

[pheoniXfury]

yeah...we'll have to wait and see...I think the card will release and will be available on the 24th. So maybe reviews will be up and maybe for the G71s as well.

My power regulator temps are 50s on idle and 70 on load...this is at a 12% voltage increase and approx 25% OC. I have a water block installed so they're not getting the GPU hot air anymore and I have a custom fan setup below the card. This is on an X1800XL btw.

oh yeah...almost forgot...those look pretty nice! Ever thought about replacing the long red aluminum heatsink?

[Rammsteiner]

Nice work EastCoasthandle! But still pretty high temperature, or is it under load? I only put a fan close to it and idle it 38~40 degrees, and under load not going over 55degrees, most of the time like 50 degrees. You might try to put a fan on them, would work very well ;).

[hotrippr]

Any1 no when next cat driver will be out? What will it improve?

[pheoniXfury]

have no idea...but I'm hopping that they put in some new Avivo stuff...and add in GPGPU to Avivo Xcode. They release on every month...it shouldn't be long till Cat. 6.1 hits the net. I'm pretty sure it'll bring some bug fixes and minor performance increase

5.13 was meant to add some Avivo stuff and nothing else...no fixes...no performance increse

[EastCoasthandle]

This photo shows the X1800xt with 5 ram sinks on 6 mosfets
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xtAS5Mosfets.jpg


This is a new image of my temps after an hour of BF2 Vcore @ 53C, that's roughly 8C+ cooler then before and I all I did was add AS5 to the CPU/V Reg. It may take some more time, this was completed roughly 1hr 10 minutes ago. This photo reflects a BF2 during game play for 1 hour. Frame rates were higher then normal on Karkand (edited to reflec BF2 temp loads) and core set to 690/mem800. Not sure why it doesn't reflect that the same.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xttemps3.jpg

This card is at stock. Nothing new about that. I just figured that the voltage regulator was a bit to high at idle even with the fan at 100%. Could someone upload their voltage temps for comparison? I like to know if this is really making a difference or not. To me I see some difference.

Edit, I just realized that all the screws that hold the HSF in place were all loose on mine. I had to tighten them up. I suggest that everyone that reads this check to make sure that your screws are nice and snug!

[Rammsteiner]

WHAT!? Did you get better temps and/or better overclock abilty after that? Might try the same because my card sucks with overclocking :mad:.

[tvdang7]

hey overclocked can the xl hang with the XT? i see a big performance gap in xbitlabs reviews between XL and XT

just wanted to know besides the extra 256 mb of ram...... up the speeds to XT speeds will yield similar performance correct?

[EastCoasthandle]

hey overclocked can the xl hang with the XT? i see a big performance gap in xbitlabs reviews between XL and XT

just wanted to know besides the extra 256 mb of ram...... up the speeds to XT speeds will yield similar performance correct?
get riva tuner and see what your volt regulator temps are as in my previous post.

[tvdang7]

i dont get what you are replying to.

[Rammsteiner]

i dont get what you are replying to.
If you dont have enoug Voltage regulators you just cant hit XT speeds at all. Or you can with some Overvoltage, but then you'll have a dead card within a few weeks. So how many Voltage regulators do you have? ;). But the memory probably cant hit XT+ speeds ;).

[pheoniXfury]

most of the XL cards has been oc'ed to more than XT speeds.

I have the chip with a bug and I hit 630/693 already...many ppl are hitting higher than that...aproaching 700 core and 700+ mem since their cores can take more voltage without the leaking issue.

There really isn't a difference in the number of voltage regulators...except for a few...but they were engineering samples. It should be a 5 phase voltage regulation on the XL and XT cards...X1900 has a 7 phase voltage regulation it seems.

[TooFast]

CROSSFIRE X1800xt 512 3d mark 05 benchmarks 12720
1600x1200 4xAA 16XAF 9507

Cant overclock in crossfire mode??????????

[tvdang7]

most of the XL cards has been oc'ed to more than XT speeds.

I have the chip with a bug and I hit 630/693 already...many ppl are hitting higher than that...aproaching 700 core and 700+ mem since their cores can take more voltage without the leaking issue.




so what 3d mark you get on that?

or fear video test?

just wanted to know if i were to get my card that high.

[Rammsteiner]

most of the XL cards has been oc'ed to more than XT speeds.

I have the chip with a bug and I hit 630/693 already...many ppl are hitting higher than that...aproaching 700 core and 700+ mem since their cores can take more voltage without the leaking issue.

There really isn't a difference in the number of voltage regulators...except for a few...but they were engineering samples. It should be a 5 phase voltage regulation on the XL and XT cards...X1900 has a 7 phase voltage regulation it seems.
Most people wont hit higher than 650+/800+ with XT's if they have only 5 MOSFETs. Man, I hope there is a way to solder an extra MOSFET onto this card (so Ive 7). Would be great ghehe :rockout:.

[Katana]

Hya Folks

Another X1800xt newbie here:D

Just managed to break 10000 points in 3dmark05:rockout:

Core 702@1.3 volts mem 801@1.9 volts...

Dunno what difference having 6 mosfets makes compared to 5 ...

cya katana

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/2779/untitled4al.th.jpg (http://img473.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled4al.jpg)

[tvdang7]

nice!

[pheoniXfury]

Cross fire OC turns out to be a little weird...I don't have experience my self but it's been done. Maybe it's something W1zzard can look into for ATI Tool beta 11.

I scored 9256 in 3Dmark 05 with my card at 630/693 :cool:

most ppl won't top 650/800 on an XT?...no...I've seen ppl with those cards on stock air with better results. (kinda funny cus Katana just proved you wrong:P) You just have to push the voltage and turn ur fan to 100%. check the XS forums. lots of ppl are hitting 700+/850+ on the XTs with stock cooling@100%...provided that you don't have case heat build up. you can expect higher if ur on water or if ur more extreme.

The number of mofsets on the board shouldn't matter...as almost everyone has 5 of them. the difference is that it will be 7 phase instead of 5. so voltage regulating is done in 7 steps instead of 5...putting less load on each mofset which should yeild lower mofset temps...translating to lower resistance and more stable power supplied to the GPU/RAM. The same is being done on recent mobos too...instead of 3 phase...do 6 phase. The X1900s will have 7 of them to give more stability on an engineering design point of view for the worst case senario (one of the things you learn in becomming an engineer). It will be hard to figure out how to add on more mofsets since there aren't X1800 boards with 7 of them...so we don't know what else is missing...and the X1900 boards are supposed to be a bit different...but no one has had the need for it yet on the XT.

[tvdang7]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ArcticCooling/AcceleroX2/5

check out the new arctic cooler........wierd thing is....they pumped it with 1.3 volts......and only got 595 on the core? while others are only pumping around 1.25 and getting 600+?

[pheoniXfury]

that does seem a little weird...but at least that card'll take the high voltage...

if you look at the temps and clocks...that core is reacting well to the lower temp at 100% fan speed. Even though it's only 4C drop...it manages to go higher. If you drop it down to say 40-50C using low-end waterblocks...u'd be in business. Better blocks can bring it down to below 40.

[tvdang7]

so in your opinon would water be worth the extra performance?.............im deciding on going water jsut for the card or just get a zalman.

[pheoniXfury]

it seems to me that every time I get an air cooler...it gets out dated soon cus there a new heat specs. but water seems to be more flexible. I'm not saying to shell out 400-600bucks...I have one that costed 150CND...which already takes my CPU temps to below 40 and vid card never goes over 49 while overclocked.

I'm thinking of getting the OCZ Cryo-Z when it comes out cus it costs only 200ish...then I'll mod my CPU block to fit my vid card and my VGA block on the chipset...that should bring my system to over 3Ghz:toast:

[tvdang7]

iono how much 150 cnd is in usa. but it seems like a low ammount.
what exactly do you have? im a noob at water cooling.

[pheoniXfury]

http://www.kingwin.com/pdut_detail.asp?LineID=&CateID=53&ID=187

I have this one...which you could say is an entry level water kit. I didn't have money for the swiftech, asetec or one of the other ones. I got it cus I realized that it includes 2 waterblocks and 2 radiators...usually you pay 300US just for one rad and ong waterblock. It's important to cool down the liquid before it enters the next heating element so I thought that 2 rads was great...and it turned out very nice...although the higher end parts going for total 400USD would bring the temps lower...they may only be 5C lower since the temps are relative to room temp.

[hotrippr]

Re: X1800xl

Has anyone seen any differences between the Gecube and sapphire bios compared with Ati bios? Sapphire and Gecube now avab for download @ techpowerup.

[Quake2owns]

When i overclock to get 850 core and 850 memory i gotta use 1.60 volts on the core 2.0 2.0 on memory and i/o cough x1800xt cough

[Rammsteiner]

Stock cooling? :eek:

[Rammsteiner]

Stock cooling? :eek:
LOL, nvrmind, stupid question :laugh:.

[Quake2owns]

LOL, nvrmind, stupid question :laugh:.

Yes stock cooling.

[pheoniXfury]

I hate to break the news but...they compared as identical in Hex.:(

I think it's time to save up for the X1900XT/XTX. I'm gona try to get someone who works at ATI to get it for me this time...:p

[Rammsteiner]

Yes stock cooling.
:confused:, how? I mean, 1.6Vcore is pretty much on stock cooling :eek:. What temps do you have!?

@ Pheonix, where are you talking about? I can pre-order X1900XT, and Im about one thing very sure, if its gonna stay at that price I wont buy it. 650+ Euro's, thats not worth it IMO. Especially if you consider that next gen. cards will have SM4.0 and the R580/G71 are only just another 'Ultra' update ;). I seriously think its not worth it. OTOH I didnt see the results yet etc, maybe it might be worth it if prices drop below 600Euro's :rolleyes:.

[pheoniXfury]

well...I'm going to get it if I can either sell my card or my whole system. I know a few ppl who can get good deals on those cards...and I'm in Toronto, Canada...which is driving distance from ATI HQ.

My XL just won't take the higher voltage...so I'm very dissapointed...and the 270 dollar motherboard is not in it's best shape...so I'm looking into the next xfire chipset with dual 16x PCI-E as well.

[Rammsteiner]

ah, now ic ;).

[hotrippr]

well...I'm going to get it if I can either sell my card or my whole system. I know a few ppl who can get good deals on those cards...and I'm in Toronto, Canada...which is driving distance from ATI HQ.

My XL just won't take the higher voltage...so I'm very dissapointed...and the 270 dollar motherboard is not in it's best shape...so I'm looking into the next xfire chipset with dual 16x PCI-E as well.


Hey phx! Will that be the 975x chipsets???? New intel board has 3 pci-e slots. I think they are 1@16x, 2@8x. However it is not meant for three vid cards, 2 can be used for vid and the other becomes a 1x slot, but I think it does give versatility in locating the cards. Or is there something that will be 2@16X? Will crossfire be able to do both cards@ 16X?

Yes these X1800XL cards are dissappointing, but if u dont oc you should be pretty happy...for now.

[pheoniXfury]

well...I'm not going for intel any time soon...been with AMD for 5-6 years. The good old PIII was nicely done...but starting P4...it was just disapointing. So I switched to AMD...:nutkick:

As for the chipset...this is what I'm interested in. It's possible that with the added bandwidth of PCI-E, ATI may come up with a way to allow high-end X1900 cards to work together without an adapter...but we'll have to wait and see if they can really do it.

The X1800XL is very good...that's for sure...my previous was a R9800Pro +25% clocks. But I have to run 1240x1024 with the 19" Viewsonic LCD now instead of 1024x768 on a 17" CRT, so that means higher demand and I turn up everything so they look good on the large screen.

[Rammsteiner]

You mean if a X1800 slave/mastercard can work together with a X1900 master/slavecard? Probably not official, maybe with some driver mods. But X1900 uses another core then X1800 so maybe you need a hardware mod, or it just cant. Almost bought a Sapphire PURE Innovation to day :banghead:, but I should wait for the Sapphire PURE Crossfire/RD580 (8 days to go :rockout: ). But the PURE Innovation looks so beautyfull :twitch:. Only wondering what this has to do with X1800 cards :laugh:.

[pheoniXfury]

I don't think u can do it with X1900 and X1800...I'm just gona replace mine and oc the sh1t out of the X1900:pimp:

I want to sell my system to start up a new project.:toast:

[Rammsteiner]

I don't think u can do it with X1900 and X1800...I'm just gona replace mine and oc the sh1t out of the X1900:pimp:

I want to sell my system to start up a new project.:toast:
Shhht :mad:. Otherwise Im going to start one too, Im addicted to selling and buying hardware :D.

[thoennesm]

Shhht :mad:. Otherwise Im going to start one too, Im addicted to selling and buying hardware :D.

I am addicted to buying hardware. Have a hard time selling it.:)

[tvdang7]

x1800 xl aiw here. 600/600 1.175/1.856/1.856 so far ...further testing shall be done only had the card for 15 mins
EDIT

8525 3dmarks
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1715593

600/600

another edit

my voltage regulator thingy in rivatuner is between 30 and 35.xx what ever htat means after some CSS. usually 35 ish i say 30 like once

[pheoniXfury]

I am addicted to buying hardware. Have a hard time selling it.:)

lol...I hear ya...I'm the same. Actually it's not that I have a hard time selling...it's just that I don't really want to sell stuff.

[TooFast]

3d mark06 crossfire benchmarks 6901 5.13 6910 (6.1)
3d mark05 crossfire benchmarks 12875 5.13 12700 (6.1)

[tvdang7]

how do i get ati tool to reset my voltages to default?

[wizard23]

i have a x1800xt withe the new drivers it can easy perform 1000 points more in 3d mark2005

system
AMD 64 3700+
dfi lan party rdx200 cf
x1800xt
1gb ram @ 400mhz
scores
3dmark2001: 29542
3dmark2003: 21754
3dmark2005: 9854

[GeeForce11]

I just hit :eek: 10000 :eek: 3DM05 with my X1800XL :roll:

I hooked up the ThermalTake TideWater cooling system. I was able to take out the copper HS from the videocard's HSF and keep the enclosure with the fan and even the cap to cool the RAM and mofsets and the waterblock fit nicely inside. I also upgraded to the 6.1 drivers :rockout:

I set the voltages to 1.375/2.2/2.0, the clock to 702/702, and 3DM05 just spit out 10K :D

The card idles around 50-55 Celsius and max load temps i saw was 70 Celsius ;)

I think i maxed out this succa' :toast:

[pheoniXfury]

hehe...sampsa at XS got ~13000 using a single XT...lol ***Edit: I meant Sampsa...not macci...though I'm sure he hit that too...lol***

10K!!!...I hate you!...j/k seeing that you jacked up the voltage to 1.375...it makes sense. interesting though is that ur temps sound like the power regulator temps. mine is 39 idle and 40ish load but won't do more than 1.175v...9256 in 3dmark05

You can't get it to reset ur voltage...there's no feature for that yet...you can however save the default voltages in a profile. What you want to do is load the default speed, then load another profile with the default speed with the default voltage. This is due to the fact that ATI Tool has a 0.250 second delay after changing voltage...which means you might get f00ked doing it in one step.

wizard23...what are you refering to...what's ur setup and original score...new driver refering to 6.1?

[wizard23]

hehe...macci at XS got ~13000 using a single XT...lol

10K!!!...I hate you!...j/k seeing that you jacked up the voltage to 1.375...it makes sense. interesting though is that ur temps sound like the power regulator temps. mine is 39 idle and 40ish load but won't do more than 1.175v...9256 in 3dmark05

You can't get it to reset ur voltage...there's no feature for that yet...you can however save the default voltages in a profile. What you want to do is load the default speed, then load another profile with the default speed with the default voltage. This is due to the fact that ATI Tool has a 0.250 second delay after changing voltage...which means you might get f00ked doing it in one step.

wizard23...what are you refering to...what's ur setup and original score...new driver refering to 6.1?




refering to 5.13

system
amd 64 3700+
dfi cf
1gb ram 400mhz cl.2.5
x1800xt
audigy 2zs

[GeeForce11]

At stock 500/500 speed I get 7450 3DM05 ;) at 600/700 get 9250, this is how i get 10K @ 700/700 :D

I didn't try to reset the card to default speed/voltage. I have 3 OC settings low 575/600 @ 1.125/2.0/2.0, med 600/700 @ 1.15/2.2/2.0 and high 700/700 @ 1.375/2.2/2.0. For games i use high, otherwise i use low, but i can make a stock profile with default speed & volts and could load that too, when not playing games :cool:

Even at stock speeds with stock cooler i used to get 70 celsius load. Medium OC i used to get around 75 celsius, this is why i got the water for it, it was getting too hot, and felt that the GPU has more headroom with more volts. I think it's a safe speed, and far as i know the XT has 1.35 VGPU at default, and i think the XL/XT chips are identical, so there should be no problem running it 1.375 @ 700, just hope the power regulators will keep up with the load and not crap on me. I did see 50+ Ampers on load in ATITool :eek: and the whole system's total power usage went up like 50W :eek: I think the gpu block is making contact with the HS enclosure, so it could pick up some extra heat from that too :) The Voltage rgulators are pretty toasty and it's pretty hot in the card area :rolleyes:

[wizard23]

At stock 500/500 speed I get 7450 3DM05 ;) this is how i get 10K @ 700/700 :D

I didn't try to reset the card to default speed/voltage. I have 3 OC settings low 575/600 @ 1.125/2.0/2.0, med 600/700 @ 1.15/2.2/2.0 and high 700/700 @ 1.375/2.2/2.0. For games i use high, otherwise i use low, but i can make a stock profile with default speed & volts and could load that too, when not playing games :cool:

Even at stock speeds with stock cooler i used to get 70 celsius load. Medium OC i used to get around 75 celsius, this is why i got the water for it, it was getting too hot, and felt that the GPU has more headroom with more volts. I think it's a safe speed, and far as i know the XT has 1.35 VGPU at default, and i think the XL/XT chips are identical, so there should be no problem running it 1.375 @ 700, just hope the power regulators will keep up with the load and not crap on me. I did see 50+ Ampers on load in ATITool :eek: and the whole system's total power usage went up like 50W :eek: I think the gpu block is making contact with the HS enclosure, so it could pick up some extra heat from that too :) The Voltage rgulators are pretty toasty and it's pretty hot in the card area :rolleyes:

the only part i hate in that moment is that you paid 200$ lower for your card than me and you get a hier score than me..........but no waries for that ............. keep up the good work
man.....:rockout:

[GeeForce11]

wizard23, R U running your XT at stock? you should get 11K OC'd ;)

[wizard23]

look i flashed the card withe the new pios from sappire it has to run @ 700/800
but the ati tool sows 600/700 wile the ati tool 0.25 beta10 .........i thing is not the rite clocks i will try the new beta11 of ati tool to day .........

[GeeForce11]

It looks you have the 2D/3D switch problem with the XT, but B11 should fix it ;) maybe it's still running at 2D 600/700, this is why you get under 10K. I use B10, i don't need the 2D/3D switch, as i know the XL doesn't use the switch, and B10 works better than B11 for me :cool:

You can OC you card by upping the volts to 1.4 or 1.45 should get 750/800 out of it :rolleyes:

[wizard23]

this is cool .......... b11 will get me out of meny problems ...........
thanks for the info about oc but i dont think i need that clocks for the time.
it run very fast at the stock and it will run beter with the b11 as you say
maybe later on this year i will oc the card.............that dose'nt mean that i will not
try it and post a score.....i hope for a 10and 1/2 or more..........

[GeeForce11]

I think that B11 would fix your problems, not 100% sure, cause i don't use XT and i just say it from what i read on the forums about people who have XTs.

Maybe you don't even need to use ATITool at all! You flashed your card, so it should switch to 3D 700/800 by itself, and maybe ATITool is messing up from switching correctly. Try not to run ATITool at all...just a tip ;)

[tvdang7]

At stock 500/500 speed I get 7450 3DM05 ;) at 600/700 get 9250, this is how i get 10K @ 700/700 :D

I didn't try to reset the card to default speed/voltage. I have 3 OC settings low 575/600 @ 1.125/2.0/2.0, med 600/700 @ 1.15/2.2/2.0 and high 700/700 @ 1.375/2.2/2.0. For games i use high, otherwise i use low, but i can make a stock profile with default speed & volts and could load that too, when not playing games :cool:

Even at stock speeds with stock cooler i used to get 70 celsius load. Medium OC i used to get around 75 celsius, this is why i got the water for it, it was getting too hot, and felt that the GPU has more headroom with more volts. I think it's a safe speed, and far as i know the XT has 1.35 VGPU at default, and i think the XL/XT chips are identical, so there should be no problem running it 1.375 @ 700, just hope the power regulators will keep up with the load and not crap on me. I did see 50+ Ampers on load in ATITool :eek: and the whole system's total power usage went up like 50W :eek: I think the gpu block is making contact with the HS enclosure, so it could pick up some extra heat from that too :) The Voltage rgulators are pretty toasty and it's pretty hot in the card area :rolleyes:


hey your loads seems much higher than mine. i read the rivatuner graph and mine are around 35A is this bad or good? urs is much higher than mine.

i have other questions some one please answer

1) i have cat 5.13 i dont see the avivo video converter thingy where is it at?
2)i have an aiw card how do i update to 6.1 drivers with out loosing my AIW software (given that i will use driver cleaner)
3)when i turn on my computer my bios splash screen is all in wierd colors but everyhtign else is fine whats the deal?

thank you for your time community

[GeeForce11]

The ampers i was reading whatever ATITool was telling me (if it's accurate). The system total power usage i was reading from the PSU's digital meter (if it's accurate too). Medium VGA OC system uses around 180W, max VGA OC around 240W :eek:

I just installed 6.1 drivers on top of the 5.13 with no problems. It shouldn't mess up the ATI Multimedia Center and AIW sofware, it should change only the driver and CCC. I had a hard time upgrading before from 5.11 to 5.12, because i tried to uninstall the 5.11 first and i got and error, and couldn't install the 5.12 for days. It was such a headache until i finally made it :banghead:

[tvdang7]

this is such a pain for aiw wonder ppl. i dont mind installing ontop of it just the fact that i dont have a fresh install.

[EvilBDGamer00]

I use a Sapphire X1800XT and i can hardly reach 650/780 and 3300 RPM fan speed

[hotrippr]

hey your loads seems much higher than mine. i read the rivatuner graph and mine are around 35A is this bad or good? urs is much higher than mine.

i have other questions some one please answer

3)when i turn on my computer my bios splash screen is all in wierd colors but everyhtign else is fine whats the deal?

thank you for your time community
At least u get a splsah screen, I get nothing until windows boots. Which is a pain in the ass if I want to get into my bios...I have to switch my cable to vga-Dvi adapter cause "these cards dont support Dvi-I cables only Dvi-D" is what Ati told me. Cant believe such a "highend" card would have that problem.

[tvdang7]

so do you think my problem is the type im using? im using a vga one thats on the card ...should i get a dvi to vga dongle ? maybe

[hotrippr]

so do you think my problem is the type im using? im using a vga one thats on the card ...should i get a dvi to vga dongle ? maybe
Your card should only have 2 DVI :confused: Should have came with a VGA(d-sub)-Dvi adapter. hook up a d-sub cable to your monitor and then use the included d-sub-dvi adapter try that.

[tvdang7]

i have an aiw card

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/ati/aiwx1800xl/thecard.jpg

[hotrippr]

i have an aiw card

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/ati/aiwx1800xl/thecard.jpg
Ohhh:D Yeah then try the dongle. I almost went with an aiw, decided to get the HDTV wonder, I love it, but it does take up another pci slot though.

[tvdang7]

lol will do. wierd thing is i have an aiw and im too lazy to hook up the antenna for it......

[hotrippr]

lol will do. wierd thing is i have an aiw and im too lazy to hook up the antenna for it......
LOL! This is HD-->:nutkick: <--this is analog antenna!:D

[tvdang7]

lol yea im caveman.....but yea im using a 19 inch CRT so not much improvement.

[RubberDuck]

I Just got the ATI { Orginal } X1800XT and it kicks some serious but. Best ATI Card Yet:toast: :cool:

[pheoniXfury]

his load is higher cus he jacked up the volts majourly. I get 38amps at the max of 1.175v on mine. it's 28amps stock.

the weird colours are fine...all of these do that for some reason.

You could install the new driver and do a custom install and take out the driver portion of it or look for the excutables that does every part.

*******EDIT: woah!!!! WTF just happened...this this thing just take off like crazy?. 3 pages in 1/2 a day? wow! I thought it was the end after I finished reading the posts on the first page!...lol

[tvdang7]

his load is higher cus he jacked up the volts majourly. I get 38amps at the max of 1.175v on mine. it's 28amps stock.

the weird colours are fine...all of these do that for some reason.

You could install the new driver and do a custom install and take out the driver portion of it or look for the excutables that does every part.


thx for the reply. as long as im not the only one with funky colors.(still not acceptable Nvidia ppl would have good reasons to flame ati more)

our amps look about the same so im good.

[pheoniXfury]

haha...yeah...ur right...but I haven't seen much so far about that one. I don't think funky colours will get ATI lovers flamed. I just wish that my card took the higher voltage, but it doesn't...so I'm gona go for an X1900XT soon...:D

Anyone wana buy my system or knows someone who's looking for one?:p I'm thinking of starting a new project...lol

[GeeForce11]

Yeah.. my amps are much higher compared to the stock XL, but how is it compared to the XT? I think it should be approx. the same as the XT, which is running stock 1.35V 625MHz, isn't?

[hotrippr]

I was trying to oc my fsb, now sys wont start, I got power, just wont go to bios, tried to clear cmos, same **** blank screen, think it is Moboard??? Thanks for any help I kno this isnt the place but I know people are frequently here.

[pheoniXfury]

you tried to OC an intel board?...lol

I don't think that's supposed to happen...don't they limit it to max 10%? Try with very basic parts...only necesary to get to BIOS. Maybe clear cmos didn't work...take out the battery and unplug the system for a while then try booting it up.


yeah...I think u should be around the same in terms of current as the XT cards then.

[hotrippr]

Yeah, the MB decided to put my mem back to 533, by the time I noticed it was too late, the mem wont run at 533 with +10%fsb, I had mem at 400. Tried the battery thing-nothing. I was gonna get the new asus out nextweek but f--ck I wanted to back up all my stuff first.

[EastCoasthandle]

Ok Folks we need your help! From now on please post your successful oc's including your voltages. I'll start first

x1800xt, using Overclocker (because B11 does not work with Cat 6.1 for me)
Core 729
1.30 Volt
Mem 819.00
Core Volt 1.95
I/O Volt 1.80

[tvdang7]

dont use the o/c i hear it relaxes mem timings so u get less performance.

[tvdang7]

did i mention overclocking ur card gets warmer temps?........man at stock i never break 70 degrees. not even 68

[RGP]

Ok Folks we need your help! From now on please post your successful oc's including your voltages. I'll start first

x1800xt, using Overclocker (because B11 does not work with Cat 6.1 for me)
Core 729
1.30 Volt
Mem 819.00
Core Volt 1.95
I/O Volt 1.80

Hi EC,
Yep 6.1 drivers messed up ati tool for me as well, no matter what I do it just locks up when it switches to 3dmode. I see you did the bios flash as well. I'm running it also and the card at 700/800 is more than enough for any game I play with max setting. Beta 12 is what I'm waiting for. It should have the fix these cards need.

Later
RGP

[GeeForce11]

I just ran 3DM06 and it spit out 4553 points !!! :rockout:

[Rammsteiner]

Hi EC,
Yep 6.1 drivers messed up ati tool for me as well, no matter what I do it just locks up when it switches to 3dmode. I see you did the bios flash as well. I'm running it also and the card at 700/800 is more than enough for any game I play with max setting. Beta 12 is what I'm waiting for. It should have the fix these cards need.

Later
RGP
So are those OC BIOSes save to use? (Ive the new PCB design). Whats the max selectable speed in CCC if you have OC BIOS?

[RGP]

So are those OC BIOSes save to use? (Ive the new PCB design). Whats the max selectable speed in CCC if you have OC BIOS?


Hi,
I have been using the flash for a while now and temps along with the higher clocks are the same as before I flashed. The flash is very easy, you just have to turn down your 2D clocks to 500/500 before you flash. You get a nasty looking screen and a system hang if you don't.

Clocks after flash are 695/795, I don't know why it won't do 700/800 as default after flash but you can set them via CCC no problem. The 2D voltage is the same as before you flash, 3D voltage as reported by Rivatuner is 1.48. I think this is part of the flash and so far I have not had any issues with the higher voltage. If you have the 2.0 pcb version I don't think you will have any problems running the higher clocks after you flash.

Later
RGP:)

PS Oh the max selectable speeds you will have are "Memory 800" and "Core 5000" yes that's right 5000mhz on core. I have no idea why it is set so high.
http://robertpope.shackspace.com/files/CCC.JPG

[Rammsteiner]

Hi,
I have been using the flash for a while now and temps along with the higher clocks are the same as before I flashed. The flash is very easy, you just have to turn down your 2D clocks to 500/500 before you flash. You get a nasty looking screen and a system hang if you don't.

Clocks after flash are 695/795, I don't know why it won't do 700/800 as default after flash but you can set them via CCC no problem. The 2D voltage is the same as before you flash, 3D voltage as reported by Rivatuner is 1.48. I think this is part of the flash and so far I have not had any issues with the higher voltage. If you have the 2.0 pcb version I don't think you will have any problems running the higher clocks after you flash.

Later
RGP:)

PS Oh the max selectable speeds you will have are "Memory 800" and "Core 5000" yes that's right 5000mhz on core. I have no idea why it is set so high.

Ok, thx man. I hoped memory could go higher too. I hope there will be a crack or so for that. I prefer using CCC because there is a 2D/3D switch. But its right about those Volts, they're supposed to be 1.48V in 3D. Do you maybe know if the fanspeed got any higher in 3D? You said temps were the same, but thats impossible with higher Volts and clocks so I suppose that fanspeed is higher?

[RGP]

Hello,
After the flash fan acts the same. Does it's little increase when the card starts getting warm. Temps are around 70°C during 3d and I'm not a big fan of high temps. I just use overclocker utility: that you can download from this web site in the downloads section.

I just set the fan speed to max before I load up a game and temps are on average in the mid 50's. When I was using 5.13cats ati tool worked and the fan control was and is the best fan control I've used for the ati cards. I don't know what it is but even turning down the clocks with ati tool it will lock up as soon as I launch a game. 6.1cats just don't like ati tool.

Later
RGP

[EastCoasthandle]

Hi EC,
Yep 6.1 drivers messed up ati tool for me as well, no matter what I do it just locks up when it switches to 3dmode. I see you did the bios flash as well. I'm running it also and the card at 700/800 is more than enough for any game I play with max setting. Beta 12 is what I'm waiting for. It should have the fix these cards need.

Later
RGP
RPG,

No i haven't flashed yet just oc. I am using overclocker right now. When you use overclocker what information does it give you (core clock, core voltage for engine settings and clock, voltage and I/O voltage for Memory)? Can you post a screen shot of it and post it here, please?
I would like to flash the card but I need to know a few things. What program did you use to lower the clocks to 500/500? How do you save your bios first?

[RGP]

Hi EC,
I only use overclocker for the fan control, you can use ati tool to under clock your 2D settings. Just drag the sliders down to 500/500 and click set clock. I let overclocker take care of the fan for full speed and let CCC do the over clock.

I can use ati tool but have to set the clocks and voltage first, load up a game then set the clocks back to 2D speeds after. The 3d apps mode is what is messing up, so if I try to set a profile for 3d and let ati tool take care of it, it just locks up.

Voltages in overclocker are 1.30 core for 2D and memory and IO are both 1.80 for 2D. 3D I set the core to 1.525 in overclocker and leave the memory and IO alone. Rivatuner show 1.48 core voltage with it set at 1.525 in overclocker. Also in ati tool I need to set it at 1.450 to show 1.48 in Rivatuner, I'm thinking 1.48 might be the true voltage.

The flash utility has the option to save your old bios, that is the first think I did and it is saved to my HD and I also uploaded it to my web site. Any way if I can help you let me know.

Later
RGP

[EastCoasthandle]

Hi EC,
I only use overclocker for the fan control, you can use ati tool to under clock your 2D settings. Just drag the sliders down to 500/500 and click set clock. I let overclocker take care of the fan for full speed and let CCC do the over clock.

I can use ati tool but have to set the clocks and voltage first, load up a game then set the clocks back to 2D speeds after. The 3d apps mode is what is messing up, so if I try to set a profile for 3d and let ati tool take care of it, it just locks up.

Voltages in overclocker are 1.30 core for 2D and memory and IO are both 1.80 for 2D. 3D I set the core to 1.525 in overclocker and leave the memory and IO alone. Rivatuner show 1.48 core voltage with it set at 1.525 in overclocker. Also in ati tool I need to set it at 1.450 to show 1.48 in Rivatuner, I'm thinking 1.48 might be the true voltage.

The flash utility has the option to save your old bios, that is the first think I did and it is saved to my HD and I also uploaded it to my web site. Any way if I can help you let me know.

Later
RGP
Great thanks,
I am using B10 as B11 won't even start up. Every time I click on the icon I get a major xp pop up screen error (the kind that wants to send the report to MS via email or something like that). But B10 works like a charm with Cat 6.1. I wonder if ATI did something to prevent it from working, 1st time that ever happened.

Anyway. I wanted to know if you notice an improve with the new bios update? In other words, right now I use CCC to OC to 690/800. The Bios update changes it to 720/800. Is there a performance increase or is it the same?

If it's the same I gotta feeling that CCC is communicating with the X1800xt to boost voltage as needed.

[RGP]

Hi EC,

Well with my card and the bios it was shipped with, I could only clock to 685/805 and not get past 9900 in 3dmark05. After I flashed and the card was default at 700/800 I started messing a bit and hit 722/828 3dmark05 went to 10237.

I have run 750/900 but temps start getting up there so I just leave it at 700/800 and things are just fine. The improvment for me was the higher clocks and the card being stable.

Later
RGP

[wizard23]

i have flash my x1800xt with the new bios but i get the same clocks 600/700 @ the ati tool 0.25 b11

[Jimbojansen]

Getting my X1800XL in about a week.. so i'll post my oc results soon.. i hope to get around 9k5 :rockout: (guy that had it before me got to 9100 but he wouldnt try to clock further.. so)

[GeeForce11]

To hit 10K 3DM05 with the 1800XL you need to watercool it! This sucka' gets toasty hot on stock HSF, and i think it would get too hot before you could give enough volts and get decent speed out of it ;) Luck :toast:

[Jimbojansen]

To hit 10K 3DM05 with the 1800XL you need to watercool it! This sucka' gets toasty hot on stock HSF, and i think it would get too hot before you could give enough volts and get decent speed out of it ;) Luck :toast:
who knows.. mayb if you put an VF900 on it it wil clock nicely :respect:

[tvdang7]

To hit 10K 3DM05 with the 1800XL you need to watercool it! This sucka' gets toasty hot on stock HSF, and i think it would get too hot before you could give enough volts and get decent speed out of it ;) Luck :toast:

what are your clocks?

and when will the vf900 come out? like anytime soon? if not ima go water cooling.

[kitt3]

The 1900xt is out pssh did u guys read the reviews :D.

[GeeForce11]

I have a sweet spot of the X1800XL at 675/700 with 1.35/2.2/2.0 for playing games for hours :)

For benching I run 700/700 @ 1.4Vcore or even 725/725 @ 1.45 Vcore :D

With the watercooling temps never get passed 70 celsius. The card's sweet spot is around 65 celsius :)

[pheoniXfury]

If you are lucky, you could actually hit a great score on stock cooler...but to get above 10K, you'll need a 3rd party cooler and an XL that will take more than 1.2v on the core.

Mine can't take more than 1.175v, so I'm stuck at 630/693 now with a score of 9256 with my setup. I've seen the best ones go to 730/800 on some half decent cooling. If my core could take the voltage I'd be hitting 11K right now as my core is 43C load overclocked.

[tvdang7]

I have a sweet spot of the X1800XL at 675/700 with 1.35/2.2/2.0 for playing games for hours :)

For benching I run 700/700 @ 1.4Vcore or even 725/725 @ 1.45 Vcore :D

With the watercooling temps never get passed 70 celsius. The card's sweet spot is around 65 celsius :)


dang is that safe? nice o/c BTW

[GeeForce11]

I think that the XL and the XT have the same exact core, so the XL should take the high voltages as well, maybe the problem is not the core coudn't take the high voltage, rather the board's circuitry and power regulators cannot handle the high load, as they were not designed to supply the GPU as much power as the XTs :rolleyes: Maybe simply that's the reason why the XLs do not scale as high as the XTs. In my case too, i watercool it, so there's no reason for the chip to overheat and not take 1.4+ Volts, unless the power regulators overheat and cannot provide the stable current for the GPU :confused: I'm blaiming the power regulators being the limiter and not the GPU :o does it make sense!?

[tvdang7]

very much. just dont want to se a nice card die fast *crosses fingers*

[pheoniXfury]

I think it's totally safe...as long as u keep ur power regulators at a decent temp. that's a question you want to ask those ppl that are running it 730/800 on air...lol

Some of the earlier R520 chips had a bug...they couldn't take higher voltages due to a current leakage...which was the reason behind the delay of these cards. Most of those earlier chips are used as the heart of these XL cards. More recent ones are probably inline with the improved cores which will run @XT+ speeds easily and take high voltage.

[tvdang7]

so what do we do? put heat sinks or something on those regulators and that will keep it really cool? i rememeber a couple pages back some one did this to their XT but i didnt really understand y.

[pheoniXfury]

well...since these cards use 5 phase power...it might be a good idea to cool them down a little as they do get really hot...

Yes someone has done this and lowered the temps significantly...maybe achieve more stable power...but I'm not sure. I know that a friend of mine had a card that burned up on stock speed from GFX...apparently the regulators used were insufficient.

I'm not an electrical engineer...but will soon be a computer engineer. I haven't thought about it much and I maybe wrong...but it would make sense that if the voltage goes higher...the regulators has less work to do when converting the voltage from a standard source...but it is also true that the current demand will be a lot higher...I've heard of 50amps versus 28amps load while overclocking these cards. So if you are thinking of putting more than 1.35v...it might also be good to add sinks to those regulators.

[tvdang7]

so 1.2ish is fine bare? :) havnet even gone that high yet due to stock cooling.

[GeeForce11]

Deffinately an extra heatsink and maybe an extra fan on the mofsets always help out to make stable the load and heating ;) I remember back in the 1GHz Athl on days overclocking the mobos, i put HSF on mofsets and even clock generator chips :laugh:

I did see on my card the load going up from 28Amps to 50+Amps :eek:

Something to keep in mind: When you use the stock HSF, it blows hot air on the mofsets from the GPU :ohwell: When people hook up watercooling, there's no fan at all blowing across the card on the mofsets or the RAM :(

I was able to hook up my waterblock inside the stock HS after removing the copper that's touching the GPU, and i even put back the cap of the HS and leaving the fan there blowing air across the board onto the mofsets, having just a little waterblock in the middle :) Hope it cools off my RAM and mofsets enough ;)

[pheoniXfury]

Yeah...1.2ish will get you very far. I wouldn't go higher than 1.3 on stock cooler...lol...maybe 1.25 would be safe.

Geforce11...I was thinking of doing the same thing, but seeing that I put zalman RAM sinks on the DDR3 chips...I decided not to. When I get a chance I'm gona try to make a custom heatsink if there's not one that fits nicely...hopefully copper since these things get really hot!...maybe after that I'll make a custom duct and turn the fan that came with the stock sink into an exhaust with the duct covering the whole card...:D

[EastCoasthandle]

well...since these cards use 5 phase power...it might be a good idea to cool them down a little as they do get really hot...

Yes someone has done this and lowered the temps significantly...maybe achieve more stable power...but I'm not sure. I know that a friend of mine had a card that burned up on stock speed from GFX...apparently the regulators used were insufficient.

I'm not an electrical engineer...but will soon be a computer engineer. I haven't thought about it much and I maybe wrong...but it would make sense that if the voltage goes higher...the regulators has less work to do when converting the voltage from a standard source...but it is also true that the current demand will be a lot higher...I've heard of 50amps versus 28amps load while overclocking these cards. So if you are thinking of putting more than 1.35v...it might also be good to add sinks to those regulators.

Hello, does this ring a bell?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xtAS5Mosfets.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xttemps3.jpg

after about 1.5 weeks(s) at idle
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xtAS5Mosfets.jpg
Does anyone know the proper procedure to run overclocker? Hey RPG, how do yo use it? When I try it and set the right timing and clock for core and mem using overclocker, rivatuner only indicates the OC speeds from CCC, not from Overclocker. So what do you need to do in order to get it to recognize the new speeds?

[Steevo]

I did my X1800XT last night with AC5. And I polished the bottom of the copper HS with some mothers aluminum wheel polish. Till it shone.

At 1.5v core and 1.95 mem-I/O I got up to 725-810 with no real overheating and fan on max.

[Steevo]

What is the jumper on the card for?

[RGP]

Hey RPG, how do yo use it? When I try it and set the right timing and clock for core and mem using overclocker, rivatuner only indicates the OC speeds from CCC, not from Overclocker. So what do you need to do in order to get it to recognize the new speeds?


Hi EC,
You have to use just the 2D clocks, launch Rivatuner, then overclocker, type in the clocks you want, set voltage: I only use up to 1.525, set fan speed before setting clocks. After you are done using the higher settings, restore defaults then lower voltage and restore fan speed.

I use ATI Tool kinda the same way, just don't use the 3D-Detection and set the clocks to what I want and raise the voltage, load settings and it works fine. I just forget some times to lower the clocks and my card runs at the higher settings in 2D. Not that this is a problem but I kinda like to bring the clocks down if I'm not playing a game. Temps run a little lower as well.

Hope this helps
RGP

[GeeForce11]

ECH or you guys, where do you get that hardware monitor program? It looks nice, i want that too :D

[EastCoasthandle]

ECH or you guys, where do you get that hardware monitor program? It looks nice, i want that too :D
Rivaturner (http://content.guru3d.com/index.php?page=rivatuner)
Overclocker (http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=88559)

[EastCoasthandle]

Hello, does this ring a bell?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xtAS5Mosfets.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xttemps3.jpg

after about 1.5 weeks(s) at slight OC load
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/OCandtemps.jpg
Does anyone know the proper procedure to run overclocker? Hey RPG, how do yo use it? When I try it and set the right timing and clock for core and mem using overclocker, rivatuner only indicates the OC speeds from CCC, not from Overclocker. So what do you need to do in order to get it to recognize the new speeds?
AS5 and some copper ramsinks....anyone else tried this yet?

[Nyte]

What is the jumper on the card for?

I happen to recall that forces PCI-E compliance mode and is not used for anything other than debugging signal integrity issues. Setting it to one way will force compliance mode, the other way forces debug access mode so you can can see all the debug signals (The debug bus signals were originally on the top left of the card, but in retail, they remove the debug pins). So to conclude, they do nothing special other than for debugging.

Or I could be totally wrong.

[Steevo]

There is nothing on the three pins now though. Possibly a way to start a default BIOS force, as per a little readig up. But nothing positive yet. If I had $600 to blow on a new card I would try jumpering it or putting a meter or two on them.

[EastCoasthandle]

RPG,

Thanks for the help, I figured it out. To use Overclocker properly you have to enter CCC's ATI Overdrive and uncheck "preserve ATI Overdrive settings at logon". Hit apply, then ok, then reboot. then use Overclocker in 3d only.

Here is a link for Overclocker (http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=88559)

Here is a link for ATI Tool B12 (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=8344)

Here is a link for ATI Tray Tools 1.0.5.824 (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=733)

Here is a link for RivaTurner (http://content.guru3d.com/index.php?page=rivatuner) which is only good for Cat 5.11 (I think) however, has an excellent monitoring program. I use it for monitoring voltage regulator temps (I found no other program to date that does that..could be out there)

Here is a link for ATI ATI Homepage (http://www.ati.com/)

[TooFast]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=98455

[Nitrogliserin]

my sapphire 512mb x1800xt

1.45gpu
2.130vdimm

730/830

but its not enough with this voltages.
should be higher but its crashing
waiting for 6.2

[Andi64]

I'm having a big problem with my brand new X1800XT
Do anyone know what the LEDs of the PCB mean? The one that says "EXT-PWR" it's off, but I get "T_Fault" LED ON when I boot. My card has 6 Mosfets and PE BIOS, I was chating in MSN and my PC stoped working and never booted again.
I get 1 long beep, 3 short beeps... obviously a Vid-card problem.

My sys: DFI nF4 U-D 623-3 Rev AD0, GSkill HS 2x1GB @ DDR500, Opteron 146 CABYE 0540 @ 3Ghz, Topower 520WP5 29A@12V, X1800XT 512MB Sapphire OEM, 80GB SATAII Hitachi.


Sorry for my English, I'm from Argentina.

[Rammsteiner]

I had sometimes my VGA was a bit loose in the PCI-e 16x slot, maybe you've the same problem?

[Andi64]

I've tried two different motherboard, DFI nF4 Ultra D y both X8 slots and an MSI Neo4 F. The same problem.

[tvdang7]

problem.

im at 650/625 on my all in wonder.
1.225/2/2

and no matter what i do to get to 660 it will freeze? what is causing this? do i need more voltage?

cuz i can do like 600 on 1.175 volts i just pumped it to 2.25 to eliminate the factors.

is this a card limitation?


BTW i just got my all copper vf-700 installed and im getting like 62 load.

[GeeForce11]

It needs more juice :slap:

On stock cooler the most i got was 600 GPU with 1.175V. You can squeeze more out of the ram around 700 with 2.2V, leave the IO at 2.0 ;)

I think 1.225 is not enough for 650 GPU. I'm running 1.35V for 675. Even the XTs need 1.3V for 600 and 1.4V for 700, look at it as a comparison. Just make sure to cool the voltage regulators, cause they get toasty :eek:

[tvdang7]

y is there such a big jump im at 1.2 650 fine . my ram is 1.6ns rated for 625. so i dont know if i can hit 700.


also i dont want to put more juice i hit 72 some times load. its average of 68 . if i put more juice it will go even more so i want to keep it all under 70.maybe a fan blowing my zalman will help

[GeeForce11]

It looks that you're maxed out then! Your GPU starts overheating, so there's no reason to go higher, unless you can keep it below 70.

My card is running for hours 1.35V 675 GPU and the highest temps i saw was 63. Even during the game, when there's not much work to do temps drop to like 60. So during gaming my temps range 60-63 :)

I realised that over 650 GPU you need to raise .5V to gain like 20 MHz

[tvdang7]

damn. thx for the reply.

are u water cooled?

cuz those are nice temps for those volts.

well i just wanted to let yall know that when i bought this card.i knew if i didnt buy watercooling,i knew i wasnt going to get the fult potential of my card. and now i really regret it!

[GeeForce11]

Yes, I watercool the card ;)

The highest I was able to go was 1.4V 700MHz GPU. It's not stable for gaming for hours, but it's good benchmarking :D I was hitting 70 celsius like that, and it seems that once the GPU hits 70 celsius it starts to get unstable :banghead:

Every CPU is different, so if yours is stable @ 650 with 1.225, i suggest you stay with that, you're hitting the 70s temps anyway and you would need a lot of extra juice to go faster a bit, and if you not watercool it, i think it's not worth it ;) BUT try to get some more out of the RAM! I also got around 625 with 2.0V, but raising it to 2.2V and keeping the IO @ 2.0V I can reach 700+ RAM :cool:

[tvdang7]

whats the differnce with the IO any way? why should i keep it there. cuz i heard you should keep them the same. but iono

also. what are safe voltages for the mem? some ranger guy on ocforums.com said dont go past 2.1 cuz he did and his ram f*** ed up and it artifacted at stock voltages and speeds.

[GeeForce11]

As far as i know, the IO should be the same or less than VRam. If you overvolt the RAM to 2.0+ there's no reason for for the IO to be set so high. 2.0 should be plenty for the IO, but if you want some more MHz squeezed out out the RAM, you can take it a noch higher. If you adequetly cool your RAM, there should be no prob going up to 2.2V. Some people watercool the GPU and put heatsinks on the RAM, so it's not actively cooled. In this case i wouldn't go much higher than 2.0V. I have the case of stock HSF and the fan cooling the RAM and voltage regulators only, the waterblock is inside the HSF cooling the GPU. It's also touching the HSF, so it picks up some heat from there too. I used it for a few months already with 2.2VRam, and eveything if fine so far...I donno about the future, but hope it's not gonna burn out ;)

[Jimbojansen]

we'll i finally got my X1800XL but now i'm stuck @ 570/570 ... :( if i up the voltage it freezes and VPU recoverer comes up.. anyone got a clue how to make it go faster??

[tvdang7]

im sorry i think you have a voltage bugged video card. what brand do you have? and where did u buy it? you got 9000 3d marks with those clocks becuase i didnt hit 9000 with 600/600 . hope you have the newest atitool they have a beta 13 now.

[tvdang7]

As far as i know, the IO should be the same or less than VRam. If you overvolt the RAM to 2.0+ there's no reason for for the IO to be set so high. 2.0 should be plenty for the IO, but if you want some more MHz squeezed out out the RAM, you can take it a noch higher. If you adequetly cool your RAM, there should be no prob going up to 2.2V. Some people watercool the GPU and put heatsinks on the RAM, so it's not actively cooled. In this case i wouldn't go much higher than 2.0V. I have the case of stock HSF and the fan cooling the RAM and voltage regulators only, the waterblock is inside the HSF cooling the GPU. It's also touching the HSF, so it picks up some heat from there too. I used it for a few months already with 2.2VRam, and eveything if fine so far...I donno about the future, but hope it's not gonna burn out ;)


ok i hope so!! ima be using some regular aluminum heatsink for the mem. and i purchased some ram sinks for hte regulators my temps on the regs were 55 iono if that bad or not.
how long have u been pumping that mem 2.1?

do u think this is a regulator temp problem

im at like 650/625 and it lags in bf2 bad some times (20-40frames). i have to bump it down to 625/ 600 to get my 70+ frames again . is that an overclock problem or is it the regs getting too hot?

[Jimbojansen]

im sorry i think you have a voltage bugged video card. what brand do you have? and where did u buy it? you got 9000 3d marks with those clocks becuase i didnt hit 9000 with 600/600 . hope you have the newest atitool they have a beta 13 now.
we'll its sapphire.. and sig was typo.. :laugh: and its a used card.. (i know its revision 1) and the previous owner got higher clocks.. (9K 3d 05)

[GeeForce11]

jimbojansen, it looks that your card maxed out...XL on stock HSF sould go up to like 600/600, but every chip is different. Did you reach 70+ temps on it, cause i noticed that it doesn't like the 70+ temps. Is there enough air circulation in your case? It looks that you have heat issues or power regulators overheated...

tvdang7, If your card slows down by raising the speed, it could be the power regulators heating up too much. make sure you have enough air ventilation in the case, maybe point some additional fans onto the card, specially on the power regulators. Temps could also play a big role during overclocking. I also noticed in the begining with my XL with the stock HSF that after a point of raising the speed, 3DMarks started to lower, and the temps were in the 70+. Maybe you have the same problem...

In my opinion 2.2V RAM is safe if the ram is actively cooled. I have it running for a few months already, no problems so far...

LUCK :toast:

[tvdang7]

ok i ordered some new ram sinks for hte regs. and by active cooling do you mean ram sinks for the memory?

[Jimbojansen]

we'll i got it runnin @ 590/630 but then when i run 3D mark05 it freeze's @ the 2nd test. and the card doesn't get any warmer dan ~65 C. and the air, maybe thats the problem because with my MSI NEO2 RD480 my Soundcard, Tvcard and VGAcard are really close to eachother.. but i have a fan pointed at my X1800XL so.. perhaps someone can help me via msn..??

[Jimbojansen]

don't ask me how, but i got it running at 610/666 i'm gonna try higher later next week and try to oc my CPU a little bit further.. (it's @ 2,2 GHz no so) well i got 8K5 @ 3d Mark 05 so that's an OK score.. going for 9 K :lol:

[GeeForce11]

There you go jimbojansen :) From my overclocking experience i noticed, that when PC freezes, there's not enough juice for the GPU or RAM. If VPU recover kicks in, most probably too much juice and/or overheating... You have to play around with the settings until you find the optimal stable setting. 3DM freezing is not stable, when you play a few hours without crashes, then it's stable...it takes time though until you figure it out...luck :cool:

Tvdang7, as i see you have the Zalman cooler on your card, this should give you enough airflow across the card, just put big heatsinks on the RAM and voltage regulators if you want to go higher ;)

Active cooling on the RAM meaning, heatsinks and fan blowing air directly on it ;)

[Jimbojansen]

i think i'm gonna put a extra fan by the card.. cos it gets around 70 degrees..
edit: i did it and now its running @ 630/710 :rockout: and max GPU temp is about 60 C does anyone have a MSI Neo2 RD480 motherboard here?

[tvdang7]

ok i put my ram sinks on and have a fan blwoing it....... the reg temps increased like 2-3 degrees.....wierd...

[Jimbojansen]

really weird.. my temps of the voltage regulater decreased like 20 degrees!

[tvdang7]

what? 20? i dont think thats possible. its already hovering around 5x .

[Jimbojansen]

what? 20? i dont think thats possible. its already hovering around 5x .
it DECREASED 20 degrees.. so it's like 40-50 degrees

[tvdang7]

dam so u were at 60-70?

and my ram doesnt get hot at all. not even warm.

my x800 XT got xtremely hot.

whats up with that. im not complaining tho.

[lukasbayern]

Hello guys its my first post here and sry that its gonna be for bad purpose... I have the above card which has some problems in 3d gaming. First of all i have to say that my temps are ok core temp<70-75C , mem temp<50-55, volt regulator<50 etc. The problems is in some games like wow and especially in 3d mark2006. After some time (soon) it crashes, u know blank screen etc. I have tested the card with 6.1, 6.2 cats, those ones inside the bundle, with omega 6.1, with and without the cats ccc etc. I have disabled vsync, catalyst AI and auto overclocking. Well i am very confused because i dont know what the cause is (software or hardware problem). Plz give me some advice i dont know what else to do. :banghead: :cry: :(

[tvdang7]

In bf2 my frame rates go to crap. i dont get it. im 100% sure its overclock related. im lik 40-50 sometimes i dip into the 35's sometimes. but when im on stock settings its like 60+ all the time. are my regulators not regulating? i got a fan blowing on it already with heatsinks on em copper ones too.

[yogurt_21]

built by ati x1800xt current max stable is 740/880(1760)
05 score
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1771960
watercooled 4000 sandy at 2.9GHZ corsair xms ddr 550 cl 2.5-4-4-8 underclocked to 484 cl2-3-3-7
stock cooling temps are around 60c load with fans on full (plenty of case airflow, somwhere in the 500+ cfm area and gpu fan set to 90% in ati tool)

I have watercooling on the way so my next scores should be much higher.
oh yeah and voltage was 1.5v gpu and 2.2v gpu mem.

[wizard23]

3dmark 05 = 10021
3dmark 03 = 21035
3dmark 01 = 30245

all the hardware is not oc...........heh!!!

[kitt3]

i would never hit 3. in 3d 01 :( good job tho.

[Jimbojansen]

does anyone here has the MSI neo2 RD480?? :ohwell:

[yogurt_21]

wow that's amazing for the config (well with the xtpe bios 05 and 01 make sense) but 03 is much higher than mine at those settings

at 700/800 the xt gets 9900 in 05
18400 in 03
and 34000 in 01 (cpu at 2.9)

current max with water is 775/925(1850)
11196 in 05
still tweaking just got it working.

[yogurt_21]

wtf?
stock voltage overclocks
700/750 9713 in 3d05 ------ 625/800 9424
710/750 9780 ----- 625/820 9480
720/750 9890 ----- 625/840 9555
730/750 9921 ----- 625/860 9610
740/750 10018 ----- 625/880 9659
750/750 10032 ----- 625/900 9679

while it's interesting to see that the core ocing makes a bigger boost than the mem does, why when i put them together on stock voltage is 705/810 the highest I can stably go?

it's really odd, the highest I currently can go is 780/900 as the mem seems to artifact at anything above that. and the core freezes after 780. lol 11224 is the current max.
any thoughts w1zzad? oh yeah and neither beta 12, 12b or 13 seem to allow me the overclock, only beta 11. is that the same for you?

[wizard23]

i will oc my system and post some scores.
it will get very close to your scores but i dont thing i will pas them
my cpu is lower in mhz than yours. 500mhz lower 3700+@2400
i will get a watercooler and try for 2600 or more!

thinking for 2000 marks in all tests!


People with glass systems shouldn't throw stones lol.hehehehehehehehehehehehehe!!!!!!!

[tvdang7]

new 14 beta artifacts in scanner no matter what i do. i know theres nothing wrong. just played 2 hours of bf2 no problems.

[yogurt_21]

lol seems like nothing will make that feature work with an x1800 lol.
oddly enough all of the sudden my gpu mem seems to have new life in it and I was able to get to 927 without artifacts and some minor ones at 970 but I think i can play with the voltage enough to alleviate that problem
came to 11300 at 780/927(1854) but thats not the best part, the best part is that at 780/918(1836) I got a glitch in my favor on 3dmark 05
check it out 12047!
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1841680
test 3 and cpu test 1 are abnormally high, it almost matches a crossfire dual core setup score in that way. lol gues my system peaked at that point or something lol.

[tvdang7]

nice stuff is that will air cooling?

[yogurt_21]

no dual radiator water system black ice pro 2 rade before the gpu, then the black ice pro 3 before the cpu 90cfm 120's on the rads, 5.25 bay resevoir, maze 4 cpu and gpu blocks, hydor L35 320gph pump. plus plenty of ssytem airflow and another 90cfm 120 underneath the x1800xt.

all in all the water system cost around 350$ stock score in 3d05 was 8990 to the overclocked score of 11300 is a 24% boost the cost was 17% of the budget for cooling making the performance boost 7% worth it lol. but then again hindsite is 20/20 and i coulda waited for dual cores to drop and the x1900 series, lol.

[tvdang7]

all i can say is.......WOW. hard core. wish i had that cuz now im cooling limited.

[yogurt_21]

thx yeah i've always like watercooling the gpu and cpu to get the max out of it, though I have to say the x1800xt seems to love the extra cooling, more than the x700pro I had before it, as the x700 went from 480/490 (980) on stock to 520/550(1100) (8%/11%) watercooled with ramsinks (thus 40MHZ core, 120mhz mem) the xt went from 700/800 (1600) on stock to the current 780/927(1854) (11%/14%) thus 80MHZ core, 254MHZ mem

if you're looking to watercool you xl, I'd definetly recomend a a dangerden setup (when you can afford it)
much better than the premades, and you can customise it to your needs.
http://www.dangerden.com/news.php

[yogurt_21]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1863691
new 05 high (well, beyond the 12k glitch anyways) cat 6.2's
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=174147
pushing 5k in 06 also.

[wizard23]

oc my x1800 heh......... 25mhz up
and it scores 500 marks up in 3dmark05 that is 10522.

[yogurt_21]

anything over 10K is good, more than enough for any game out there, I'm just addicted to ocing. lol

[warup89]

PUT in that list nikka i own x3 X1800XLs, a ATI radeon x850xt pe , a ATI radeon 9800pro, a ATI radeon 9800XT, a ATI radeon 9700pro , and a ATI radeon 9200SE.

IM ATI favorite fanboy :D

[jjnissanpatfan]

Hey there people i have a x1800xt 256 and amd 3200 winny@2.1 thats all i can push her.The 1800xt on air i have got 715core and 850 memoryhttp://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7230/ffgg0bp.th.jpg you think i can push it any more??And i have catlist 6.2.The pic is my score of 9002.I want to break 10000 is that possiable

[yogurt_21]

actually those speeds should be breaking 10K for the x1800xt, your cpu is the culprit most likely.
drop the mem to a 5/6 divider (thus 333) up the cpu volts to 1.6 and slow push the up the fsb a winne 3200 should at least hit 2.2Ghz with most typical results at 2.4GHZ. should show a much bigger boost in the score.

[jjnissanpatfan]

drop the mem to a 5/6 divider ??? and its a 256 meg x1800xt??

[yogurt_21]

overclocking the cpu by raising the fsb upps the memory clocks as well so it's probably your memory tapping out at higher speeds, not your cpu, so drop it to 166(333) from the current 200(400) this is what we call a 5/6 divider. you should also drop your hypertransport down to 3x in the bios (which is more stable and grants you more control when overclocking)

and regardless of the memory size 3dmark 05 is run at 1024x768 with no aa and af. so the memory shouldn't make much of a difference at all (3dmark 06 is a different story).

[jjnissanpatfan]

I've tried every thing to break 10000k??Motherboard or cpu combo??I tried lowering the memory to get at least 2.2 no luck tried different memory pc 2700 no luck .Any way what drivers does everyone think is the best??and how can i get the most out of this X1800xt 256 should i try a different bios?I have 100$ i can upgrade with should i get 2 hd to run raid or go with a different mb??or better memory??I want to break 10000k..

[tvdang7]

if that deosnt do it reformat im sure u can salvage some points that way

[stinzza]

anyone know of any sapphire x1800xt 256mb bios..iv tried surfing the web for hours..but no luck..nothing at techpower up.. ive tryed flashing with a 512 version.. but of course that didnt work..??

[yogurt_21]

email w1zzard he sometimes has some that aren't posted.

[stinzza]

tanx but he have none..i dont know what to do.. now i run on an sapphire x1800XL 256 bios..500mhz core and 500mem...thats not cool..when i should have 600core and 750mem...

[jjnissanpatfan]

Well after clean install and omega drives i got 9400 on 3d mark 05.

I can set my gpu voltage 1.5 and memory 2.26=740core 875 memory with only air??i wonder if id break 10000 with a different heatsink??? and i average 400fps ati tool at stock speeds 625/750.next week i'll be getting new memory ddr 500 hope it helps??

[Rammsteiner]

Ar eyou using the Catalyst 6.12 or 6.13 drivers? I saw the 6.12's are better than 6.13, and the drivers before 6.12 are also worse. You might try to get a modified driver without CCC, that might make a little difference. But not enough to get 10K.

All coolers around for X1800XT's are as good as the stock cooler @ 100%. The only difference is the noise... Still need to buy one... Oh well, sooner or later I will.

I saw your CPU is running at 2.1Ghz? Why not higher? Is it the motherboard or the CPU? About your upgrade question, I would save some moreand then buy something else. It's not a good idea to spend 100$ eacht time on little things. A 2nd HDD wont make ANY difference at all, and I ran RAID 0 in the past, pretty cool but my HDD is doing strange. I dont care about lossing data, but now Im just running 1HDD (after format and re-installing Windows) and Im not missing much anyway...

But did you already used any deviders? AS yoghurt said, Im sure that CPU has to go much higher than that. Dont quote me on anything, but Im also pretty sure that PCU can handle 1.6V's... I ran 1.8V's with my Clawhammer 3400+ CG rev. on air (with noise Tornado fan). Be carefull though.

[SPHERE]

sry for posting this here but i thought it would get seen by more peeps im looking for someone with a x1800xt 256mb i need the bios from your card (ive tried the one in the collection and it doesnt work :()

[Steevo]

I finally broke the 10K mark on 3D05


http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1893651


MSI Neo 4 Platinum 1.B bios
OCZ 1Gb DC kit @ 235 3.3.3.7
X1800XT 710core-801mem stock cooling
Cat 6.3

[yogurt_21]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1851945
nice score for those clocks, mine a few MHZ lower is 100pts lower than yours!
my current high is
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1882083

[jjnissanpatfan]

I finally broke the 10K mark on 3D05


http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1893651


MSI Neo 4 Platinum 1.B bios
OCZ 1Gb DC kit @ 235 3.3.3.7
X1800XT 710core-801mem stock cooling
Cat 6.3
when i read your score it says you had clocks at 600/700 so if you use ati tool and stop the ati2exe. you should break 11000..And does anyone know if a x1800xt 256mb should break 10000?????

[Steevo]

Tis the pre 3D enviroment that those were taken from. It switches to a higher clock in 3D.


I found the higher scores by.

A Bios revision for my Motherboard.
Tighter timings on my RAM.
Dropping a few other un-needed services.
Syncing the bus IE 235FSB-117PCIX

[SPHERE]

x1800xl:

2.0v\2.0v mem / 1.4v core

710/700

still looking for a 256mb xt bios anyone know where i can find one i tried the one in the collection but it didnt work the driver didnt like it

[yogurt_21]

ask jjnissanpatfan he has one. see if he'll back up his bios and send it to you. remember to edit it for the memory though (1.4ns vs 1.26ns)

[SPHERE]

ask jjnissanpatfan he has one. see if he'll back up his bios and send it to you. remember to edit it for the memory though (1.4ns vs 1.26ns) the x1800 bioses cant be edited sucessfully yet cause of some kind of checksum thing acording to w1zz but its all good the timings should be compatable if the mhz isnt too high on the mem :)

[jjnissanpatfan]

Well if i could save my bois from windows i would be more than happy help.But i'm a noob to flashing shit only done it twice to mb once and thank god for good opitions on foxxcon boards.saved it!!! And 800xl didn't work.So like i said i need to save it from windows..maybe i'll get brave and try dos??sometime if you don't get anymore help.

so far the highest clocks 769/860 air wow 9357 hightest score from 3dmark 05.

[SPHERE]

http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/bios/winflash105.zip use this to save the bios :)

thanks dude :)

[jjnissanpatfan]

I've tried from ati tool no opition there??And every time i click on the ATiwinflash.exe i get a messed up screen and have to restart.Its like it clears my bios as soon as i click on it??So i'm scared to try in dos cause you keep saying it works from windows and i cant get it ??So tell me what tool besides winflash to use!What version of the ati tool can i save my bios from windows???



I got it to work guess if ati tool is on that made it freeze the atiwinflash.exe.

[yogurt_21]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1903272
new high on 05, x1800 @ 780/936 (1872) 1.575v core, stock on both mem values.
sandy at 2.95GHZ 12x246 memory at 492 cl 2-3-3-7.
man, I really wanna hit 12k. (seems like i'd need to get phase for the cpu and let the gpu have the whole water system for that lol.)

[tvdang7]

ok im back guys now with an XT . whats safe voltage to give the core and mem.

safe on the XL was 1.25/2.1/2.1 for me

some one estimate a safe level for my XT on stock cooling.

thanks in advance.

[yogurt_21]

on stock I hit 740/865 on 1.45v gpu 2.2v on the mem.
when cooling is increased the mem need no extra volts, but the core sucks volts as a thristy man sucks water. if I could get more I would, but last time I vmodded a card......

[potatp]

Hi everyone!
I have some probles with my 1800XT 512Mb... Some times everythings looks fine (9500 on 3dmark 05)
but for example in Btf2 I can get 25-35 FPS in so many situations...
In HL2 with the minimum details,800x600... 37FPS on the square... the first time you get out, right after the station...
I got my card flashed with the XT PE bios... of this web.
When I realized of these problems, I started to looking for.. and I realized that in the winflash the memory clock was 44 Mhz!!! (This is the clock setting by the Bios,but when the card is working they RivaTuner shows a right clock-->750Mhz)
Can anybody tell me if this is right? Attach a pic of this.
http://img.techpowerup.org/060325/flash.jpg
I´m looking for the iriginal bios of my card, that is an 1800XT 512 BBA...
Meanwhile I´m trying to see my card working in other motherboard... I have an Asrock DUAL SATA II... and this is not a rocket right? :D
I was wonder if someone could giveme the original bios...I´ll be really please and thankfull
Any hepl, support or advise will be welcome :))
Thanks 4 all.

[yogurt_21]

winflash has always read mine that way, but you probably have either a mobo compatibility issue or a weak psu.
oh yeaha nd what drivers are you using?

[potatp]

do you have an unflashed 1800xt 512? so it´s not a bios problem right?
Thank you very much dude! I can discard that!
What is you card? ATI, ASUS, CLUB3D....... ?
I just bought a PSU for this card, a tagan 530W U15... so it´s not the psu... but the motherboard... asrock it´s not the best you can buy so.. that´s a posibility.
I´m using omega drivers... but I have the problems with all the drivers that I tested
By the way thxs for replying

[yogurt_21]

yeah i seriously doubt it's the psu, probably the mainboard do you ahve the latest bios and chipset drivers? theni'd recomend using the cat 6.3's off of ati's site, and getting ati tool .25 beta 14 to control the fan speeds. (comes at 22% stock which cause the card to overheat).
mine is a built by ati x1800xt 512, and it's been running fine since I bought it.

[RGP]

Hi,
Here is a link to the ATI x1800xt BBA stock bios that the card comes with. It is the r520.rom. Just click and download it.

Later
RGP

BBA Bios r520.rom (http://robertpope.shackspace.com/X1800xt)

[SPHERE]

Hi,
Here is a link to the ATI x1800xt BBA stock bios that the card comes with. It is the r520.rom. Just click and download it.

Later
RGP

BBA Bios r520.rom (http://robertpope.shackspace.com/X1800xt) 256mb or 512mb?

[yogurt_21]

512

[Steevo]

Just flashed the X1800XTPE Bios using Winflash.

Gained a few points in 3Dmark05 at the speeds I was running. Then I just OC'd it again to 725 and it ran, but forgot to take off the AA and AF in CCC. Whoops, 9719 score there, but it looked very nice :D

[jjnissanpatfan]

Well the most i've been able to get is 9400 in 3dmark 05 on my 256 x1800xt but i sold it to a friends friend for 325.00 .So basicly he ordered a 512 X1800xt and motherboard and i get to swap video cards when they come in inreturn im putting it all together for him.so free upgrade for me SWEEEEETTTTTT. So with my cpu 2.2 the highest it go will i get 10000 in 05???Can someone underclock there cpu to see if 2.2 and x1800xt gets 10000??If not i'll find out fri or sat night.

[Steevo]

It won't.

I have had to get to 2.8 and 700+core to hit 10K

[jjnissanpatfan]

so me upgrading it isnt even worth it???cause i get 9400 now i thought i would get 10000 at least??

[Steevo]

The card isn't so much the problem as the CPU. I had to push my timings and FSB up after a nice BIOS flash to get closer to the 11K mark. I still need a gig or two of DDR500 to reach the full potential.

But a 2.4 @ 2.8 1:1 lock 235Mhz mem 2.5,3,3,7 1T isn't too shabby.