X1800 series experiences / overclock results etc.

[stinzza]

oh man...with all that..it is youre psu..now i have a 550w with x1800XL256 bios..and i get 6900 in 05.. 500mhz core and 500mem

[yogurt_21]

an older enermax liek that doens't have tenough amps on the +12v rail, i'd recomend either the enermax liberty 500w or the ocz powerstream 520w.

[Greg]

OK, but can I verify this PSU issue by disconnecting not necessary stuff from it?

[itrunshot]

So I seem to be having with my 256mb x1800xt as well. At stock I was getting 7100-7200 in 3dmark05. After overclocking to 700/800 with ati tool my score went up to 7556. I aslo have the issue of ati tray tools reporting my bios ram at 44mhz. I was getting 7300 with my 7800gt@ 480/550.

opty 146@ 2.85
2x1gb g.skill zx 2-3-2-5 200mhz
2 opticals, 2 hd's
480w neopower 18a x2

[yogurt_21]

OK, but can I verify this PSU issue by disconnecting not necessary stuff from it?

umm no, the problem isn't that the psu as a whole can't power your rig, it's that the +12v rail isn't strong enoug for the cpu and gpu. drives run off of the +5v so that won't help and neither will disconecting any fans as fans take up so little power you'll merely be decreasing cooling.

you need a psu with enough amps on the +12v rail, the other as a whole don't matter so much as I've yet to seea psu that had enough amps on the +12v that didn't also have enough on the +5v and +3.3v

[yogurt_21]

So I seem to be having with my 256mb x1800xt as well. At stock I was getting 7100-7200 in 3dmark05. After overclocking to 700/800 with ati tool my score went up to 7556. I aslo have the issue of ati tray tools reporting my bios ram at 44mhz. I was getting 7300 with my 7800gt@ 480/550.

opty 146@ 2.85
2x1gb g.skill zx 2-3-2-5 200mhz
2 opticals, 2 hd's
480w neopower 18a x2

ati tray tools doesn't support the x1800's get rid of it. ati tool .25 beta 14 is available here and does fully support the x1800 series. it'll show your real clocks. and it's not good to be running multiple programs to overclock your card. and you left out the mainboard, what chipset/what brand/what model? you'll need the latest bios for it. and since you upgraded from an nvidia you'll need to run a driver cleaner to get rid of any nvidia files, then unistall the catalysts or omegas you're using, and install cat 6.2'sfrom ati's site, the most stable fastest drivers for the x1800. omega's aren't really the best drivers for x1800's and x1900's, sure for the previous cards they run great, but for theses latest better steer clear.

[stinzza]

hey.. yall with x1800xt256 bios..and other cards.. submit it to techpowerup bios collection

[Nobleatreides]

Hi all, I'm new here. I have ATI Tool, and am all set to go,
Quick Question please, what should I raise my clocks to? I still have the stock cooler on my X1800XL. can I achiece 10,000 3d05 marks with it safely I don't want to fry anything, and i don't want to flash bioses at this time. Thanks.

[Steevo]

ATITool will automaticly find the highest safe clocks for memory and speed by generating a 3D image and scanning the ouput for artifacts.

[Nitrogliserin]

um nitro link pls.


nah sorry yogurt
I didint register it and I lost the ss

I did a bench e few min aga but I cant reach 730/850
dont know maybe cuz beta14

here is a screenshot from 3dmark06
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9431/47335xe.jpg

and 3dmark05
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4944/untitled5tb.jpg

[yogurt_21]

interesting, that's one efficient mobo you got there.

[itrunshot]

ati tray tools doesn't support the x1800's get rid of it. ati tool .25 beta 14 is available here and does fully support the x1800 series. it'll show your real clocks. and it's not good to be running multiple programs to overclock your card. and you left out the mainboard, what chipset/what brand/what model? you'll need the latest bios for it. and since you upgraded from an nvidia you'll need to run a driver cleaner to get rid of any nvidia files, then unistall the catalysts or omegas you're using, and install cat 6.2'sfrom ati's site, the most stable fastest drivers for the x1800. omega's aren't really the best drivers for x1800's and x1900's, sure for the previous cards they run great, but for theses latest better steer clear.

I use tray tools for adjusting image quality settings (no ccc). When i switched over from the 7800, I uninstalled the nvidia drivers, rebooted to safe mode and ran drivercleaner, then restarted and installed the cat 6.3 with ccc. Scored 7100 in 3dm05. Uninstalled cat driver and ccc, booted to safe mode and ran drivercleaner, and then installed omega drivers and scored 7200. After overclocking to 700/800 with ati tool beta 14, I scored 7556. Mainboard is dfi lanparty nf4 ultra-d. I dont really want to do a format but may consider doing a clean install on a backup drive if I can't get this figured out.

[yogurt_21]

might be for the best to reformat, sounds like you've tried everything else.
the dfi shouldn't have a problem running the card, nor the antec psu, as I've seen plenty of people with x1800's running that same psu. a little annoying, having t reformat, but the extra performance is worth it.

[jjnissanpatfan]

I upgraded my card so i dont have the 256 bios anymore.And i posted a screen shot of my score on 3d 05 "10907" thats a great score for what i got right????And the only way to go higher is water right??How much would it cost to make a set up to cool just this card so i can break 12000???

[SPHERE]

I upgraded my card so i dont have the 256 bios anymore.And i posted a screen shot of my score on 3d 05 "10907" thats a great score for what i got right????And the only way to go higher is water right??How much would it cost to make a set up to cool just this card so i can break 12000??? i got your old bios here dude its the one in post 117
http://www.overclockstop.com/ati/42-x700-x800-x850-pipe-unlocking-info-12.html

[jjnissanpatfan]

Cool cause Xspeed and stinzza both pm'ed asking for the 256 bios that i dont have anymore!!So there you guys go thanks for the help sphere:nutkick: these smilies kick butt

[Ser-J]

Got my Ati x1800XL. So far on stock cooling I have it at 600/650 and my 3dmark05 score is already 9,200:D . Will be installing a Zalman fan in a day or two, hopefully will try to reach 10,000. I wasn't that luck my XL came with 2.0ns:shadedshu memory chips. Please post your x1800xl benchmark scores.

[yogurt_21]

2.0ns chip on an x1800? what brand? or is it a built by ati? wierd.


@jjnissanpatfan
umm my rig won't eve break 12k outside of a glitch i got once. theres only 2 people with 512mb x1800xt's that have done it in a single card mode. that's eva2000 and his ocing journey is found here http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=1865

and some other guy who dry ice cooled his. suffice to say eva's the only one who can do it and be 24/7 stable, me my best 24/7 stable is 11600.

you'd probabaly need a good opteron on water the xt on water with the massive ramsinks eva and I have and probably some odd water cooling on the voltage regulator

http://www.alphacool.de/xt/product_info.php?products_id=3780&cPath=5_18_291

then you'd need an awesome psu like the pc power and cooling 1kw that eva uses (which that and the board difference is why i think i can't)
and a dedicated psu for the fans and water pump. me I use an ac pump and a 480w powmax pos for the fans.

overall lets see.
400$ water system, 300$ opty, 500$ psu, well that should about do it, wait that's enough for a crossfire board and dual x1900xt's lol.
don't go for 12k be happy with 11k.

eva2000
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1871199
ghettochillin
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1686680
my glitch
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1841680

[XspEeD]

Got my Ati x1800XL. So far on stock cooling I have it at 600/650 and my 3dmark05 score is already 9,200:D . Will be installing a Zalman fan in a day or two, hopefully will try to reach 10,000. I wasn't that luck my XL came with 2.0ns:shadedshu memory chips. Please post your x1800xl benchmark scores.

my best score so far

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1931072


@sphere : is that an x 1800 xt 256 mb bios ?

[Ser-J]

2.0ns chip on an x1800? what brand? or is it a built by ati? wierd.
My card id build by ati. First x1800XLs came with 1.4ns, now it looks like they are using 2.0ns.
That really sucks because I don't with I am going to get much more then 650 on my memory...

my best score so far

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1931072


@sphere : is that an x 1800 xt 256 mb bios ?

Nice score what are you using for cooling and what is the voltage on the core and memory? Do you know if your memory is 1.4 or 2.0ns???

[Nobleatreides]

This post is being edited as I score higher;)

I read this whole thread, and gathered useful info.
ATI X1800XL (BBATI) 256M, don't know which mem ns it has yet, using stock cooler.

I fired up ATI tools Beta14, and bumped my VGPU to 1.22V, and mems to 2.010V, and 2.001V

set core to 630, and mem to 657, showed 3D averaging 328FPS

GPU temp rose to 72C, voltage regulator also to 70C, and Amps to 38. Ran 3DMark05 without a hitch at exactly 9100 points. I could raise the core to 650, but as soon as I raise the mem to a higher freq, it wont show 3D screen, or just go black/lockup, I force a reset.

I guess I need to rectify the GPU cooling, but I think I'll just wait for a $300 X1900 sometime in 6 months.

[SPHERE]

I read this whole thread, and gathered useful info.
ATI X1800XL (BBATI) 256M, don't know which mem ns it has yet, using stock cooler.

I fired up ATI tools Beta14, and bumped my VGPU to 1.20V, and mems to 1.950 each.

set core to 625, and mem to 625, showed 3D averaging 325FPS

GPU temp rose to 72C, voltage regulator also to 70C, and Amps to 35. Ran 3DMark05 without a hitch at exactly 8998 points. I could raise the core to 650, but as soon as I raise the mem to a higher freq, it wont show 3D screen, or just go black.

I guess I need to rectify the GPU cooling, but I think I'll just wait for a $300 X1900 sometime in 6 months.
humm you prolly 1.6ns ram

the stock settings ive set to my x1800 are 625/625 1.3125v core 1.9v mem it works good for me but i have 1.4ns ram 600 is probibly a good starting point for your ram if you have 1.6ns

btw when i want i can oc my cardd to about 710 mem 700 core 2v/2v mem 1.4v core


i have the zamnan vf700-cu btw :)

[itrunshot]

I went rummaging through my case and switched around some cables. Also uninstalled/reinstalled drivers (again).

New 3dmark05 score is 10,300@710/830.

[stinzza]

just undering.. tweaking a card by flashing the bios.. lik for exsample x800gto2 1,6ns to x850xt pe.. do that meen that it IS a x850xt pe card.. like the one in the shop.. if not what is the diff by flashing.. it does not make sence.. a software changing a card spec.. what??

[SPHERE]

just undering.. tweaking a card by flashing the bios.. lik for exsample x800gto2 1,6ns to x850xt pe.. do that meen that it IS a x850xt pe card.. like the one in the shop.. if not what is the diff by flashing.. it does not make sence.. a software changing a card spec.. what?? some bios flashes can make the card indistinguishable from the real thing like say a x850xt to x850xtpe flash

but with say my card you can tell that at one time it was ither a gto or a xl from the hardware installed on the card :)

btw im still using a xl bios its just modafied

[stinzza]

but flashing.. that meens software.. but the tec on the card.. like voltage..that have something with the bandwith to do.. bigger tubes.. the bios is the the boss.. but all cards have difference on the construction...the bios only controll the perfection of a sertion brand.. it must meen something

[XspEeD]

Nice score what are you using for cooling and what is the voltage on the core and memory? Do you know if your memory is 1.4 or 2.0ns???

hmm.... it is 1.4ns , i bought it last year.
i'm using accelero x2 for cooling device

685/747 1.3v/2.4v/1.889v

[SPHERE]

but flashing.. that meens software.. but the tec on the card.. like voltage..that have something with the bandwith to do.. bigger tubes.. the bios is the the boss.. but all cards have difference on the construction...the bios only controll the perfection of a sertion brand.. it must meen something i dont understand what your saying..

[stinzza]

like a x1800xl has a lower tec of constuction than a x1800xt.. it take more time to construct a xt than a xl.. and thats why a xt const more than an xl..

[jjnissanpatfan]

I was messing around doing benchmarks cause friend with same set up as me but a 3700 san diego and 7800gt xfx he gets @ 2.9 8000 in 3d 05 in source stress test he gets @1024+768 =183.With my X1800xt in his system i get cpu@2.9 gpu@730\910 11200 in 3d 05 not too much more than mine.And in source stess test i didnt overclock the video card cause in that test i've found it doesn,t help???But i got 214 thats nice!!

[SPHERE]

like a x1800xl has a lower tec of constuction than a x1800xt.. it take more time to construct a xt than a xl.. and thats why a xt const more than an xl.. the xt has more pwm chips for cleaner power and it has faster rated ram :)as far as i know

[Ser-J]

Got my X1800XL to 620/720. Never thought that the memory would reach 720 on 2.0ns. It did. The score for 3dmark05 is 9565

[yogurt_21]

wow, that's better performance than an xt @ stock!

[Ser-J]

wow, that's better performance than an xt @ stock!
Yeah its pretty fast, but it is way too hot. I played around with it, and I like it, but I am going to end up selling it, cause want to move to X1800XT 256mb or maybe 512. Is there that much of a difference in a 512 vs 256mb, if not what is the point of getting 512.

[yogurt_21]

well it helps in high detail high res areas, which is pretty much all the eyecandy which is the reason most of us buy these cards. so yes the 512mb is worth it and the 512mb versions tend to have better cores and memory for better overclocks.

[wizard23]

yogurt 21!!!! help!!!!! 3700+ San Diego volts ? i only want to push it to 2.4ghz.......

[Steevo]

<----1.55


Still runs cool.

[yogurt_21]

you can't hit 2.4 on stock volts? try 1.45. that's odd. i can hit 2.7GHZ on 1.45v then 2.8GHZ on 1.55v and finally 2.9GHZ on 1.65v and no amount of voltage will stabilize it at 3GHZ lol
yours should go to 2.4 on stock 2.5-2.6 on 1.45, 2.7-2.8 on 1.5 and 2.9-3 on 1.55. at least thats the most typical 3700 sandy results i've seen.

for 2.4 on a 3700 you'll need a fsb of 218 x11 which it depend on your memory but most will need to loosen timings or up voltages at that point slightly. try that before upping volts, 3700's are a bit more overclockable than the 4000's.

[XspEeD]

some bios flashes can make the card indistinguishable from the real thing like say a x850xt to x850xtpe flash

but with say my card you can tell that at one time it was ither a gto or a xl from the hardware installed on the card :)

btw im still using a xl bios its just modafied

what kind of mod did you do with xl bios ? can you share it ?

[N312D]

what are the "safe volts" on the ATI x1800xt 512MB. I can't pass 660core and 760mem with stock volts. Maybe i should keep my fan @100%. I have the fan on stepping % ( below50C = 50% and above 50C = 100%) idle temps with OC is around 40C

Right now my max temps on 660core and 760mem with 61Celc max 100% fan speed

Can't wait till ATT .25 comes out of beta stage.

Strange thing is that my fan speed shuts down to 0% on its own and my temps rise up to almost 80C.

This thread IS getting way to big to read up on everything. There should be a section "STRICKLY" on x1800xl/xt overclocking and not just shooting some sh!t around.

[yogurt_21]

lol lazy even with the crap this thread has plenty of useful info that if read in it's entirety would have given you all the info you need to easily break 11k+ in 3dmark 05 with your xt.

as for safe voltage, i went to 1.5v at 740/880(1760) on stock but my xt never peaked above 65C load. yours is quite hot and odd as I've never seen a 512mb xt not hit 700/800 on stock volts.
whats your psu? I'm guessing it's not got enough juice.

[wizard23]

heh.............1.53v 2.450ghz 29c temp is it ok?

[yogurt_21]

temps are okay for the voltage, but it seems either your cpu or your boad doesn't like ocing lol. as long as it's stable you shouldn't have any problems with it.

[N312D]

I have an ULTRA Xfinity 500w PSU

got a:

3200+ venice (e3) OC @ 2.5Gz on XP-90C 1.45v
2GB G.Skill PC4000 @250Mhz 2.6v
DFI Ultra-D modded to SLI-D
300GB Seagate SATAII
2xDVD burner
and a Sunbeam transformer case.

My temps on board are good.

It could be the PSU. I'm thinking of upgrading but there are so many to choose from?

OCZ is coming out with some GameXtream 600w psu sometime this month i think, but there is no reviews for it yet and is also $100 less than the powerstream 600w.

[yogurt_21]

yeah the Ultra's are pretty much the prettiest non working psu's out there. lol
OCZ has good psu's don't know about the knew one coming out I guess I'll have to research it a bit. but yeah you've probably unreliable power and that's why the xt gets soo hot at those speeds.

[Steevo]

2.6 is all on the memory? What timings?

[N312D]

3-4-4-8. not really good on OC. People reports that the G.Skill PC4000 2GB 2x1GB kit that I have can reach 275MHZ @ 2.5-4-4-8 v2.9

you're prolly right yogurt. my PSU is prolly holding my OC on my CPU and my memory as well as my card.

I can OC my CPU @ 2.6GHZ 10x260 on stock volts no problems if memory is lowered.
And my memory can do 260MHz at 2.6volts if cpu is lowered.

I live in Canada and here is a link to a store that I buy most of my computer stuff
OCZ GameXstream 600w
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?affiliateid=1158819&sku=18184

Good buy??? Like I said no reviews on this model yet

[yogurt_21]

well it should be a good setup providing we get more info on it.

[N312D]

I see that your x1800xt is at 780/900. Is that stock cooler, aftermarket cooler, or water cooled?

How much voltage did you pump into that thing?

Also what bios are you using. My card is BBATI

[yogurt_21]

my current max oc is 780/936(1872) thats on full 1.575v on the gpu, stock volts on the mem. (upping it doesnt help). I water cool it with a maze4 gpu block and monster bga copper ramsinks from www.frozencpu.com the rad fo the gpu is a black ice pro 2 with two 80cfm fnas in push config and 2 90cfm fans in pull config on it. my card idles at 35C and loads fully overclocked at 55C (now that it's starting to heat up, temps were better last month lol).


I image that i could go further on a better rad and more volts, but the performance is pretty sweet as it is.

[N312D]

I'm planning to go under the tap since I can afford it now. I would like to know what is a good setup for the CPU and GPU. I know kits aren't always the best way to go and buying everything seperate and putting it all together yourself is.

got my memory to 800 but i'm stuck at 670 on the gpu. I try 680 but get artifacts.

[yogurt_21]

well i personally shop at www.dangerden.com
they make the maze4, tdx, rbx, x18, and many other highperforming blocks themselves. I like the idea of buying straight from the makers. (you can get their products elsewhere also)
i believ the tdx is pretty much the cream of the crop for cpu blocks and using the maze4 gpu combined with monster ramsinks from www.frozencpu.com is pretty much the best gpu bocl sink setup.
as for rads it depends on your funds. the xtreme 3 is pretty powerful but around 100$ after fans, I highly recomend it for it's raw performance in a single rad setup. if you can find a hydor l35 it's pretty mcuh the best bang for the buck but the eheim counterpart will work also the dd pumps are lowerflow and more expensive so i stick the aquarium ones.
you should always shop around for the best deal before buying and remember to get all the bases for watercooling

1. resevoir more water in the system = better heat dissipation
2. blocks the higher quality the better
3. radiators the better the radiator the better the overall performance of the system don't scrimp here.
4. tubing workable but don't spend too much remember this can be bought at a local hardware store if nessesary.
5. pump, make sure it's nice and powerful but watch to make sure it doesn't becoem a heating agent.
6. fans powerful but quiet remmeber the radiator need good flow, but your ears matter too, getting 120's with 3 pin's are recomended as hookign them to a fan speed controler is a requirement for someone who games and uses the destop lol.
7. tubing clamps, it's recomended that you use auto tubing clamps as they're metal and thus stronger and more reliable than the ones form most online stores.
8. y's t's and fillports these aren't required but are helpful when filling the system.
9. fluid I use rv/boat antifreeze as it's cheap, non corrosive on plastic (unlike regular antifreeze), and is available at any auto store for about 3$ a gallon. it's pink so you might wanna dye it, but paying too mcuh for fluid is stupid when you can get that soo cheap.

that should cover the bases other optional items are a secondary psu for the fans (any old 150w or higher will due and it's an easy mod if you want to know) fan speed controlor, ac/dc pump coverter to get the pump to power on when the system does, I just leave mine running. and if you go dual rads like me a second case for the water unit. lol

[jjnissanpatfan]

I was wondering if anyone else gets the weird startup screen with windows now with catlist 6.4?? I guess they figure we have weird bios screen soo why the hell not screw up the windows one.I get 2 weird sceens with catlist 6.4 one with bios allways and now after install of new driver after the loading bar windows first sceen is just a blank screen with bunches of colors??And the other encoder driver that's for the x1000's made source lock up my computer so i uninstalled that ran the stress test and averaged 6-8 frames higher.So i like 6.4 but dont like the start up screen??

[Steevo]

Must be pushing the GPU voltage higher. I get the same and sometimes a blank part on the screen.

[yogurt_21]

dunno but ever since I swapped I get no visual errors, only problems with 3dmark 06, not it freezes all of the sudden. wierd.

[yogurt_21]

new high in 3dmark 06, oddly enough i had to drop the cpu freq wierd.
http://service.futuremark.com/orb/projectmanager.jsp
4980 still short of the elusive 5K

[JAFAR]

Hi all
I have ATI X1800XT
I have bought it used and seller told me that PE bios is flashed....
Unfortunately Ati Tray tools and Catalyst recognizes wrong core/memory frequencies.

I want to get back its original Bios
what should I do?

As I found on forums I need ATIFLash utility
I downloaded it now I need its original Bios File...
can somebody help me in doing it...
does anybody have ATI RADEON X1800XT 512MB GDDR3 Original BIOS??

Thank you in advance

[votadini]

I been tweaking my card for past month or so (Powercolor x1800xt 512) goin from CCC to ati tool ,usin both,back to CCC,different drivers etc never getting past say..8700 in 3d05 with my A64 3200 venice at 2.4.Flashed to XTPE bios yesterday which set 3d clocks to slightly less(1-2 mhz on both core/mem) than what CCCs overdrive would max. to.and upped cpu to 2.5-3d05 today is 9540...no differences yet in idle or load temps.I WAS getting disheartened at seeing some others great results but im liking this new 9540 for now.3d Settings:core 695,volt 1.3/mem 792,volt 1.8/I/O volt 1.80.Catalyst 6.3.Anyone think that the extra mhz on the cpu would bump up score by 900 pts?Or has the PE bios upped the volts tho' keeping clocks lower account for increase?Or both?Lol i think just answered me' own question.Anyhow,at 3D05 i scrubbed last project for previous card a 9500np s/modded to 9700pro-score 2226!

[XspEeD]

i think you should set everything to performance at the control center to get better result.
my 1800xl beats you up bad right now with lower clock

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1952204

[votadini]

Set all to performance,same clocks etc=9603.Wonder if its the omegas that makin the difference?http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1952204

[yogurt_21]

no it's cpu clock, the x1800's get bottlenecked on AMD cpu's under 2.8GHZ, but for one thing stop using overdrive and get ati tool .25 beta 11 (its the one I use newer ones don't seem to work for me) and up the fan speed if you haven't already as it comes at 22% stock, and overclocks using that instead of overdrive, works much better and you should be able to push it much further.

[votadini]

Ya,was using ati tool.25 beta 14 and used to artifact and lock up even when settings were same as or even less than CCCs...so beta 11 maybe worth trying.Have fan speed ramped up already using the "ati overclocker(?)" tool.Thx for your tips gents.

[yogurt_21]

beta 14 if it works for you is a little bettre actually, but I can't seem to get any one to work for me but beta 11. dunno why.
overclocker when paired with ati tool can be pretty effective, you just need to type in the clocks in the 2d pnel instead of using the slider or the 3d panel.

[tranx]

I've just finished reading all that stuff.. Is there any help for x1800xt 256MB? Guys with 512 have their PE bios, what about poor people with a half of it?

[yogurt_21]

you can take the pe bios and edit it using rabit 2.0a (get it from somewhere else as the link doesn't work here) and change the mem from 256MB (which oddly enough is for the 512 card, must be by 2) to 128MB and save it. should then be able to flash it.

[votadini]

Anyone put a Zalman vf900 on their card?I have an old vf700 lying around but it seems this would be no better/probably worse at cooling than stock.Anyone with the 900 noticing better temp. control....like same temps where the 900 is silent but the stock hsf making noise?I have good case flow right over the card front to rear so not too concerned at losing the stocks exhaust.Regards all.

[N312D]

funny you mentioned that yogurt cus i thought rabit 2.0a had a mistake. i changed the memory from 256 to 512mb in the Sapphire PE version and oddly enough when i installed the drivers it says 1024MB!!!! but it still worked :banghead: . had to change it back because mine didn't have 1GB of memory :laugh: . also watch out when you try to edit the temp/fan speed setting. if you have yours at 20pwm it is ACTUALLY 91% +- 2%. so don't get fooled.

i updated drivers to 6.4 and after the windows loading screen i get $&#($#*&$*(# boxes lines and $H!T. haven't tested it on games yet.

I was also wondering. The Sapphire 1800xt PE bios has 700core and 800memory. but at 2D mode it is 600/700. Is there a way to find this out that the clocks changes when entering 3D mode cus when I try to check with ATI TOOL and open up the 3D engine it stays at 600/700.

THANKS

[yogurt_21]

yeah ati tool reports the 2d clocks, open up overdrive and check the "requested" values, they should be within a few MHz of 700/800

[tranx]

Silence in 2D (and) it's cool.

[Rick Hunter]

funny you mentioned that yogurt cus i thought rabit 2.0a had a mistake. i changed the memory from 256 to 512mb in the Sapphire PE version and oddly enough when i installed the drivers it says 1024MB!!!! but it still worked :banghead: . had to change it back because mine didn't have 1GB of memory :laugh: . also watch out when you try to edit the temp/fan speed setting. if you have yours at 20pwm it is ACTUALLY 91% +- 2%. so don't get fooled.


Interesting, so the only thing one has to do to make the X1800 XT PE flash work on a X1800 XT 256MB is change the mem size to 128, save and flash the card? Once this is done, the newly flashed card has the looser memory timings and thus could be overclocked futher, correct?
Could this not cause some problems since the Samsung memory on the 256 MB model is the BC-12 (rated at 1.8V @ 800 MHz) and not like the 512 MB that uses the BJ-12 version (2.0V @ 800 MHz)?

I've got my X1800 XT 256 running at 684 MHz gpu @ 1.325V / 810 MHz mem @ 2.07V with the stock heatsink assembly + 3000 rpm 92 mm fan & a lot of ducting. Keeps the GPU temps at 53-55 degrees with 21-23 degrees ambient temps under load.


I was also wondering. The Sapphire 1800xt PE bios has 700core and 800memory. but at 2D mode it is 600/700. Is there a way to find this out that the clocks changes when entering 3D mode cus when I try to check with ATI TOOL and open up the 3D engine it stays at 600/700.

THANKS

hmmm, how about installing Ati Tray Tools (which doesn't officially support the x1x00 series yet) and set it to display the current gpu/mem speed on its OSD (on screen display)? Don't know if it'll work.



All: X1800 XT 256 MB users - what are your voltages/clocks/cooling like? modded PE flashes - which bios editor version?

ciao

[tranx]

[QUOTE=Rick Hunter]Could this not cause some problems since the Samsung memory on the 256 MB model is the BC-12 (rated at 1.8V @ 800 MHz) and not like the 512 MB that uses the BJ-12 version (2.0V @ 800 MHz)?/QUOTE]

On my Connect3D 256 default voltage settings for memory in Atitool 0.25 beta 14 are 2.097V and 2.097V

[Rick Hunter]

[QUOTE=Rick Hunter]Could this not cause some problems since the Samsung memory on the 256 MB model is the BC-12 (rated at 1.8V @ 800 MHz) and not like the 512 MB that uses the BJ-12 version (2.0V @ 800 MHz)?/QUOTE]

On my Connect3D 256 default voltage settings for memory in Atitool 0.25 beta 14 are 2.097V and 2.097V

Yup, same here.

After reading that someone (Macci?) was able to get better clocks at *lower* mem voltage, I attempted the same thing. With the mem at 1.976V, I can clock it up to 828 MHz without artifacts in games/benchmarks.
I also increased the voltage on the GPU to 1.375V (from 1.325V) and now am at 708 MHz stable. Managed to break 10k in 3dmark05. :)

Any word on the PE bios flashes?

[tranx]

connect3d x1800xt 256 + rabit + saph pe bios + mod to 128 mb (256) + atiflash = p/n mismatch (i've put -f argument to override this :) => at the moment im using sis pci card 4mb ram (for free from my favourite shop). fortunately i got my old crt.

[Rick Hunter]

connect3d x1800xt 256 + rabit + saph pe bios + mod to 128 mb (256) + atiflash = p/n mismatch (i've put -f argument to override this :) => at the moment im using sis pci card 4mb ram (for free from my favourite shop). fortunately i got my old crt.

erk that sucks, so the flash killed your card? No way to reflash it to the stock bios?

[tranx]

im working on it... but can't find oryginal bios. help! what 'p/n mismatch' exactly means? wrong pcb? in pe bios was 113-A5200A-103, in my oryg 113-A52004-103

[tranx]

im stupid, i really thought i saved oryg bios. the one from powercolor 256 doesn't work. please, can anyone help? i desire oryginal bios for connect3d x1800xt 256 mb. thx a lot

[Rick Hunter]

I don't know dude - I asked on a german board about flashing a modded PE bios to the 256MB XT and their recommended procedure is exactly the same one as you used - perhaps they'll shed some light on this. Good luck in trying to get it running again.

[son_of_liberty]

im working on it... but can't find oryginal bios. help! what 'p/n mismatch' exactly means? wrong pcb? in pe bios was 113-A5200A-103, in my oryg 113-A52004-103

that means, that the vendor of the bios is another, but this is nothing you should care about

[tranx]

thx guys. im gonna put saphire 512 bios (not pe) modded to 256 (128) in rabit... that rabit makes me feel strange, but there's no scientific reason for that :). i wrote email to connect3d support team, but.. we'll see. at least i can learn something. backup important data

[tranx]

bios from sapphire x1800xt 512@256 (rabit) - failed. sapphire 512 - failed. club3d 512@256 - failed. there's a mess on the screen all the time, win is loading without success. fan is ok (adjusting speed). i got to sleep, tomorrow 5am. if you know something about bios for my connect3d 256 card - please please help. thx

[Rick Hunter]

Would it help if I make a copy of my bios and send it your way? I've got the HIS - afaik they're pretty much the same card... Let me know.

[atix900]

Hi I got a sapphire x1800gto.

(default 3dmarks is run at 2700MHz,
overclocking 3dmarks was run at 2400MHz
My new 3200+ is no good to overclock)


http://img20.imagevenue.com/loc120/th_79695_x1800_gto_box.jpg (http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc120&image=79695_x1800_gto_box.jpg)http://img142.imagevenue.com/loc142/th_79700_x1800_gto_inside_box.jpg (http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc142&image=79700_x1800_gto_inside_box.jpg)http://img108.imagevenue.com/loc222/th_79706_x1800gto_card.jpg (http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc222&image=79706_x1800gto_card.jpg)http://img25.imagevenue.com/loc300/th_79712_x1800_gto_card_back.jpg (http://img25.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc300&image=79712_x1800_gto_card_back.jpg)

http://img45.imagevenue.com/loc110/th_79751_94402_3dmark_03_12995_x1800gto_500_500_15 3.jpg (http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc110&image=79751_94402_3dmark_03_12995_x1800gto_500_500 _153.jpg)http://img107.imagevenue.com/loc28/th_79756_94408_3dmark_05_6858_x1800gto_500_500_204 .jpg (http://img107.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc28&image=79756_94408_3dmark_05_6858_x1800gto_500_500_ 204.jpg)http://img106.imagevenue.com/loc215/th_79761_94413_3dmark_06_3608_x1800gto_500_500_577 .jpg (http://img106.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc215&image=79761_94413_3dmark_06_3608_x1800gto_500_500_ 577.jpg)



http://img43.imagevenue.com/loc59/th_77974_45871_3dmark_03_15753_x1800gto_700_700.jp g (http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc59&image=77974_45871_3dmark_03_15753_x1800gto_700_700 .jpg)http://img18.imagevenue.com/loc218/th_77979_45188_3dmark_05_9204_x1800gto_700_700.jpg (http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc218&image=77979_45188_3dmark_05_9204_x1800gto_700_700. jpg)http://img101.imagevenue.com/loc279/th_77984_47072_3dmark_06_4504_x1800gto_700_700.jpg (http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc279&image=77984_47072_3dmark_06_4504_x1800gto_700_700. jpg)

[yogurt_21]

nice overclocks

[tranx]

Would it help if I make a copy of my bios and send it your way? I've got the HIS - afaik they're pretty much the same card... Let me know.

sure, thx. i'll try everything. i've sent you my email.

[tranx]

anyone with connect3d x1800xt 256 MB bios? or maybe P/N 113-A52004-103 any size or 256 MB version from any vendor? please help. thx

[tranx]

ok i've got oryg bios, everything is so beautiful now. life is great, i'm going to get drunk. thx for help, guys.

[Rick Hunter]

Good to hear you're back up and running. I didn't have time to copy the bios till now - no need now anyways. I suppose you'll stay on the stock bios for now, eh? :)

Happy gaming :)

[tranx]

i've put every possible bios (modified or not), mate - my card doesn't like them. im gonna play with voltages more, cause i have red a few interesting things, like lowering mem vol for better oc permormance. omega drivers based on 6.3 catalyst and atittool will do for now. if i find better and working bios i won't be scared to flash. happy gaming too - nuke'em all!

[JAFAR]

I failed to update my BIOS for X1800 XT
My computer doesn't start
what will you suggest to do?

Please help....

[yogurt_21]

open the bios flashign guide in this site and go to the page that says failed flash.

[JAFAR]

Thank you Yogurt_21
I did it. My System goes :)))

[yogurt_21]

good glad to see you're up and running.


well i got my x1800xt to 783/945(1890) from the previous max of 780/936(1872)
it resulted in a 6 point gain in 3dmark 06 lol 4980 to 4986. those last 14 points to 5k might as well be the grand canyon lol.

[Sata2raid]

Need help in x1800xl radeon sapphire card going to be crazy lol..

1-yes i have a antec550watt TR2.0 psu (SO NO PSU PROBLEM)

2-Asus P5wd2premium mainboard with 709 bios flash (NO MORE BIOS STUPID COLOurs it is repaired with this flash)

3-HOWEVER COULDNT install the drivers from BOX, so installed 6.4catalsyt from internet..
(I think older version doesnt support crossfire techs)

4-WHILE installing 6.4 catalsyt COULDNT install omg i forgat the name ehh ok catalsyt control center lol... FRAMEWORK was not installed in my comp(BUT NO PROBLEM EVEN IT IS BETTER NOT TO GET catalsy control panel...)

5-So i INSTALLED ATI TOOL and set my speedz with current voltage to 540/540 also enabled fan control at start up always %100 ...

6-I started artifact testing WITH ATI TRAY TOOLS.. It found 3-5 artifacts about 10 secs...

7-In 3dmark2006 and 3dmark2005 TESTs my eyes COULDNT REALIZE any ARTIFACTS

8-ALSO GAMES LIKE FABLE at full settings couldnt see any artifacts...

9-BUT in FEAR it sometimes DRAWS ARTIFACTS.. near white doors or such as different places it DRAWS small little square flashings while i move my head exc.. too little and they dissapear fastly[GPU DRAWING ARTIFACTS]...Also tried 6.3 catalsyt same thing...FORMATED COmp...

10-SO I UNDERCLOCKED my card to stock speeds it draws in FEAR also (lesser) ,in ATI TRAY TOOLS it is artifacting again... 10-15 secs 3-5 arties ....

11-AT A RATE OF GPU like 400's and RAM not changed "540".. IT IS NOT ARTIFACTING ....

12-Also Temps are normal as idle 45-52/53max , on load max smtg like 65-68max

WHAT IS GOING ON TO THE GPU ? FAULTY ?, HARDWARE PROBLEM ?, STILL A DRIVER PROBLEM ? ,NOT ENOUGH AIRFLOW IN CASE ?

DID ANYONE EXPERIENCED THE SAME PROBLEM ???

[tranx]

what are your settings in 2d - my: core 500 mhz (1.2V) and mem 500 mhz (default 2.097V)

that's for lower temps in 2d

[Sata2raid]

Lol i have sapphire x1800xl (Default 1.075v / 1.887/1.887) something like that..

[DRDNA]

Try running the fan at 100%

[tranx]

sorry sata2raid, i meant all of you, guys :)

im wondering how low i can go with my clocks

[cybercap]

hi folks

did the bios upgrade on my x1800xt to make it a PE.
the bios program seems to look fine though atitool still shows 594/693
I re-enabled ati poller and ati smart to access CCC overdrive again and now it shows a requested clock (i guess means 3d clock) of 695/792 (was 621/747 before flashing as far as i can remember)

3dmark06 is about a 200pts gain, i'll check what it gives into oblivion soon

i ran the "overclocker" tool (also still reads 594/693) and the 2d/3d buttons on the bottom right are greyed out :confused: any ideas how to enable them ? (should i change ati smart+poller to disabled again?)

Atitool doesnt seem to allow voltage change, that's why i want to use overclocker. also it's getting pretty hot, i hope my zalman vf-700 will be sufficent (at slow speed :ohwell: )
thanks

[chron]

HIS X1800GTO

http://killtek.com/media/members/chron/results.jpg


I opened the bios with a hex editor. At line 00000070 i changed the key "19" to 18, this unlocked the remaining four pipes.

Afterward I opened up the modified bios in RaBiT2.0a and changed core voltage to 1.2125 and applied safe clocks of 600/600. I opened up the bios again with rabit and tried 1.45V to find my max overclock. 675/700 was the highest I could go before the it got too hot too fast (100C!).

Heat is the limiting factor on my X1800GTO which is why I'm thinking of upgrading to water cooling. I recently ordered A VF1-Plus VGA fan for the card. It will be somewhat of a custom fit but i feel confident. If the fan doesn't cool enough then water cooling if the only option I have left.

[chron]

oops, double post

[cieje]

can't wait till I get my sapphire x1800xl 256mb and see what kind of speeds I can get :-x I'll play with stock, but I plan on water cooling it eventually. As far as I understand it... I'm best off just o/cing till it won't anymore - instead of attempting any kind of bios flash etc - is this the correct assumption?

-cj

[chron]

the sapphire xl is a 5 phase PCB. The most you'll be able to overclock it will be determaned by the ammount of voltage you'll be able to let through. I think saph xl owners reported hard locks at 1.275 while HIS GTO owners like me can get up to 1.45V (but it needs better cooling)

you might be able to get up to arround 600/600 at 1.2125V

[cieje]

you might be able to get up to arround 600/600 at 1.2125V

Yea, I'm not looking for anything too crazy actually - I just want to get around xt speeds ideally, but I'll see what it can do.

[yogurt_21]

core should hit 625 easily, the mem however maybe, most though top out at around 700mhz, on 1.4ns memory. still pretty good though.

[chron]

Anyone know how to control mem voltage on an X1800GTO? When I up the core voltage I can up the mem clocks but generally they are arround the same as the core. I got to 675/700 at 1.4V but heat was an issue.

when i flash an xl bios to my gto it won't let me control core voltage for some odd ass reason...

[Andi64]

Try relaxing memory timings, but if your card uses 1.4ns you are reaching the limits. I'm using Rivatuner and Cats 6.5 to overclock my new X1800XT (Last one died because of the PE BIOS). Riva has an option to change memory timings automatically, but you must up the voltages with another tool.
With this new card I'm hiting 730/925 on stock voltages, stock cooler @ 91%, stock timings :roll:
With a little 40mm fan and some heatsinks in the voltage regulators my max temps are 69ºC Core and 56ºC regulators at full load (52A on the regulators, can somebody please check If thats normal? On default settings It only takes 30-35A).

[DRDNA]

Try relaxing memory timings, but if your card uses 1.4ns you are reaching the limits. I'm using Rivatuner and Cats 6.5 to overclock my new X1800XT (Last one died because of the PE BIOS). Riva has an option to change memory timings automatically, but you must up the voltages with another tool.
With this new card I'm hiting 730/925 on stock voltages, stock cooler @ 91%, stock timings :roll:
With a little 40mm fan and some heatsinks in the voltage regulators my max temps are 69ºC Core and 56ºC regulators at full load (52A on the regulators, can somebody please check If thats normal? On default settings It only takes 30-35A).


Any Idea if rivatuner will clock both cards in crossfire mode? I tried the new Rivatuner and could get it to clock the slave card .It would set the fan on the slave but it would not set the clocks,it would run its little test thingy and then no overclock .It does deal with the master card just fine.Any ideas?

[Andi64]

You can Overclock both cards with ATiTool, I have a "how to" guide if you're interested. But I've reached better results overclocking with Rivatuner.

So, I think you must set the correct graphics adapter before you try to overclock the cards. First save the settings for the master card, and then select the slave card on the first menu screen, overclock it and test.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1362/riva9iq.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=riva9iq.jpg)

Note that RivaTuner overclocks via the Driver "Overdrive" option, so your card will run at selected speed only when a 3D fully screen application is opened. The only way to test if your card is working at selected speeds is to run a game, or a 3DMark to compare results.


PS: Please, can you check the voltage regulators? Tell me how much Amps do they need at full speed when overclocked.

[DRDNA]

You can Overclock both cards with ATiTool, I have a "how to" guide if you're interested. But I've reached better results overclocking with Rivatuner.

So, I think you must set the correct graphics adapter before you try to overclock the cards. First save the settings for the master card, and then select the slave card on the first menu screen, overclock it and test.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1362/riva9iq.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=riva9iq.jpg)

Note that RivaTuner overclocks via the Driver "Overdrive" option, so your card will run at selected speed only when a 3D fully screen application is opened. The only way to test if your card is working at selected speeds is to run a game, or a 3DMark to compare results.


PS: Please, can you check the voltage regulators? Tell me how much Amps do they need at full speed when overclocked.

I have no issues using atitool.exe to overclock both my cards in crossfire mode...My question is can RIVATUNER do it? ATITOOL works great for all of it.

[Protius]

Ordered my Sapphire x1800xt yesturday, should be coming in tommorow

[DRDNA]

You can Overclock both cards with ATiTool, I have a "how to" guide if you're interested. But I've reached better results overclocking with Rivatuner.

So, I think you must set the correct graphics adapter before you try to overclock the cards. First save the settings for the master card, and then select the slave card on the first menu screen, overclock it and test.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1362/riva9iq.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=riva9iq.jpg)

Note that RivaTuner overclocks via the Driver "Overdrive" option, so your card will run at selected speed only when a 3D fully screen application is opened. The only way to test if your card is working at selected speeds is to run a game, or a 3DMark to compare results.


PS: Please, can you check the voltage regulators? Tell me how much Amps do they need at full speed when overclocked.

I will check the voltage reulators when I get home and post.

[atix900]

SOMEMORE X1800GTO O/C

http://img8.picsplace.to/img8/15/3dmark_03_18277_x1800gto_756_900.jpg (http://picsplace.to/)

http://img8.picsplace.to/img8/15/3dmark_05_10050_x1800gto_760_900.jpg (http://picsplace.to/)

http://img8.picsplace.to/img8/15/3dmark_06_4915_x1800gto_756_900.jpg (http://picsplace.to/)

[chron]

how are you getting 900 at the memory? What kind of memory does your board have?

[atix900]

how are you getting 900 at the memory? What kind of memory does your board have?
MY SAPPHIRE X1800GTO USE SAMSUNG BC20.

[yogurt_21]

it means he might've gotten 1.26ns memory that's labeled at 2.0 due to failing stress test or something as not even 1.4ns memory will hit 900, mine maxes out at 950 on the mem (watercooled) it's odd really the x1800's seem to have much better clocking memory than the x1900's which make me think the x1900's have much tighter timings on the mem because 1.26 ns memory should max out at 800MHZ yet most can hit 900 on stock cooling, and the x1900's use 1.1ns memory which shoudl max out just above 900 but most can't get past 850.

nice scores on the gto especially the 06 score, it's only 150pts shy of mine. which is pretty amazing considering that the gto flashes to an xl and has half the mem of my card.
the 05 is 1700pts lower and the 03 is 3300pts lower.

[radeon_user_85]

guys, I need some help here
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=12423

[chron]

Thats pretty tight. I read the max for my memory is 700 and i think they weren't kiddin. I can get the core up to 725 but once the memory goes from like 698 to 702 it fails. Not a huge constant failier, but a few memory artifacts here and there. I just ordered a second one for crossfire, I'll see if this will clock the same.. I'm hoping it will at least clock the same and not lower.

[ganescha]

MY SAPPHIRE X1800GTO USE SAMSUNG BC20.

what are your volt at GPU and memory? what cooler do you use?

thanks

[atix900]

what are your volt at GPU and memory? what cooler do you use?

thanks

I am using ocqq vga water block from:
http://ocqq.com/osc/

http://img8.picsplace.to/img8/15/OCQQ_VGA_WATER_BLOCK.jpg (http://picsplace.to/)

[atix900]

what are your volt at GPU and memory? what cooler do you use?

thanks

Mycard gpu:1.5v memeory:2.2v

more 3dmarks

http://img6.picsplace.to/img6/21/3dmark03_18622_x1800gto_765_900_2.7g.jpg (http://picsplace.to/)

http://img8.picsplace.to/img8/15/3dmark05_10178_x1800gto_765_900_2.7g.jpg (http://picsplace.to/)

http://img6.picsplace.to/img6/21/3dmark06_4998_x1800gto_765_900_2.7g.jpg (http://picsplace.to/)

break 5k at 3dmark05
http://img10.picsplace.to/10/3dmark06_5010_x1800gto_766_900_2.7g.jpg (http://picsplace.to/)

[chron]

How do you control your memory voltage and core voltage? I couldn't find a program that would raise the voltage in the core past 1.45V and also, I have found no program to let me control memory voltage.

[atix900]

How do you control your memory voltage and core voltage? I couldn't find a program that would raise the voltage in the core past 1.45V and also, I have found no program to let me control memory voltage.
USE THE PROGRAM CALL OVERCLOCKER.

[chron]

Yea, it does nothing for me. The screen goes black and it comes back with same voltages and even lower clocks...

Guess it just depends on the card.

[BigD6997]

well im should be getting a 1800xt 256mb if selling my card goes well, how have the overclocking been on these?

[atix900]

Yea, it does nothing for me. The screen goes black and it comes back with same voltages and even lower clocks...

Guess it just depends on the card.

What OS are you using?

[chron]

Windows XP Home

[atix900]

cpu o/c to 3g

http://img10.picsplace.to/10/3dmark_03_19077_x1800gto_765_918_3g.JPG (http://picsplace.to/)

http://img8.picsplace.to/img8/15/3dmark_05_10346_x1800gto_760_905_3g.JPG (http://picsplace.to/)

http://img6.picsplace.to/img6/21/3dmark_05_10363_x1800gto_760_914_3g.JPG (http://picsplace.to/)

http://img10.picsplace.to/10/3dmark_06_5158_x1800gto_765_918_3g.JPG (http://picsplace.to/)

http://img8.picsplace.to/img8/15/3dmark_06_5174_x1800gto_760_918_3g.JPG (http://picsplace.to/)

[Incinadus]

Anyone with a sapphire x1800xt 265 stock mind sending me thier original bios? I want my xt back badly. Send me a PM if you have. Thanks.

Also, is there a command to delete the bios on the video card before appyling a new one?

[BEAST7777]

Beast7777

[tranx]

Deleting the bios is not needed as you will overwrite it by the new one.

[BigD6997]

does it matter what brand x1800xt i get to bring it to the 700/800 PE speeds...

like if i buy a MSI card i can still flash that bios correct, cuz there is no difference in any of the cards besides the sticker:laugh: , at least im pritty sure

[chron]

thanks for the reply beast777... You solved ALL my problems.

[cybercap]

Hi guys,

got an X1800XT 512mb flashed to PE bios.
running with a zalman vf-700 @5V : 52C idle, 82C load

tried to oc it more in CCC:

core > up to 710 (from 695)..
mem > up to 800 (from 792, CCC limited to 800)..

looks stable 710/800 with low noise but big temps (?)
can't seem to push the core higher (black screen in 3dmark06, rainbow dots in oblivion)

1) can I get some more juice out of it ? by upping the voltage for instance. has the voltage already been set higher than default through PE flashing ?
2) Will a vf-900 do a noticeable better job than vf-700 and allow anything like 750/850 ? I often hear to stay below 75C but my former 6800GT would take in 100C without problem.
3) Can i set voltage correctly with Overclocker ?(don't like Ati tool, shows 2D clocks, need to create 3D profile and all that stuff). btw is there a 2D and 3D voltage like speed clocks ?

to sum up what would you advise me to get the most of it keeping in mind that i still plan to run the vf700/900 @5v.

thank a lot.

[chron]

dude, if it gets too hot you'll start melting the soldier arround some of the chips. Get a VF1-Plus. Its the best thing rite now. Brought my idle temps from 55 to 38

[cisco kidd]

Hi guys,

got an X1800XT 512mb flashed to PE bios.
running with a zalman vf-700 @5V : 52C idle, 82C load

tried to oc it more in CCC:

core > up to 710 (from 695)..
mem > up to 800 (from 792, CCC limited to 800)..

looks stable 710/800 with low noise but big temps (?)
can't seem to push the core higher (black screen in 3dmark06, rainbow dots in oblivion)

1) can I get some more juice out of it ? by upping the voltage for instance. has the voltage already been set higher than default through PE flashing ?
2) Will a vf-900 do a noticeable better job than vf-700 and allow anything like 750/850 ? I often hear to stay below 75C but my former 6800GT would take in 100C without problem.
3) Can i set voltage correctly with Overclocker ?(don't like Ati tool, shows 2D clocks, need to create 3D profile and all that stuff). btw is there a 2D and 3D voltage like speed clocks ?

to sum up what would you advise me to get the most of it keeping in mind that i still plan to run the vf700/900 @5v.

thank a lot.

VF1 as stated above is the best cooling solution, to be honest I would say the stock may still be the best. Just force the fan to run 100% to keep temps down and especially under load. I have a VF900 in a box sealed but I was considering returning it to get AC X2 cooler.

Here is my question as I am new here. I have the Sapphire X1800XT 256DDR3 version, I also scored since the card has 1.1ns DDR, not sure if they all came this way and its core is same as the 512. I am looking for the Sapphire X1800XT PE bios as I assume one can flash it to the 256DDR3 version as well.

Looking for some feedback

CK

[cisco kidd]

Anyone with a sapphire x1800xt 265 stock mind sending me thier original bios? I want my xt back badly. Send me a PM if you have. Thanks.

Also, is there a command to delete the bios on the video card before appyling a new one?

I plan to back up my original X1800XT 256DDR3 bios before I flash to the XT PE bios, anyone have PE bios? I do not mind providing stock bios if needed, pm me......

[Stinger_PY]

I just build my system and got myself a X1800XL build by Asus.
Still with stock coolers on everything, but building a modded case specialy for a watercooling system.
This XL gets high speed without too much voltage... Core=1,175V / Mem=2,001V
I will see how high the clocks may go with watercooling.
This is my 3DMark05 score for now:

[t^3]

Hi all, I just got my X1800XT yesterday, and I'm still finding the max OC. Problem is, I'm only getting about 7900 in 3DMark05, even at 690/800. I've checked the settings in CCC, and I'm running the default settings in 3DMark05. It seems like my system is the bottleneck here, but I'm not exactly sure if it's the CPU, RAM, and/or MB. I'll be replacing all 3 of these once Conroe comes out, but I wanted to make sure there wasn't anything I missed so that I can get some more 3DMarks in the meantime.

[cisco kidd]

Hi all, I just got my X1800XT yesterday, and I'm still finding the max OC. Problem is, I'm only getting about 7900 in 3DMark05, even at 690/800. I've checked the settings in CCC, and I'm running the default settings in 3DMark05. It seems like my system is the bottleneck here, but I'm not exactly sure if it's the CPU, RAM, and/or MB. I'll be replacing all 3 of these once Conroe comes out, but I wanted to make sure there wasn't anything I missed so that I can get some more 3DMarks in the meantime.

I would expect to see low 8K to mid 8 range. I scores 9700 with a X2 3800 at 2.4 and a card at stock, I know the card will go over 10K with the chip at 2.6. Try adjusting all settings to performance as well in CCC. I have not changed my settings either but I am sure it wil give you a few extra points. Is your card the 512 or 256 variant?

[t^3]

I would expect to see low 8K to mid 8 range. I scores 9700 with a X2 3800 at 2.4 and a card at stock, I know the card will go over 10K with the chip at 2.6. Try adjusting all settings to performance as well in CCC. I have not changed my settings either but I am sure it wil give you a few extra points. Is your card the 512 or 256 variant?
I have the 512 (see my sig)

[warup89]

my x1800xl is clocked at 680/702 and i still get 8983 in 3dmark 05 (from 7680 at stock), but i dont think thats enough score for such OC i have , just look at "Stinger_PY" score from such low OC; what i im doing wrong?

[Stinger_PY]

my x1800xl is clocked at 680/702 and i still get 8983 in 3dmark 05 (from 7680 at stock), but i dont think thats enough score for such OC i have , just look at "Stinger_PY" score from such low OC; what i im doing wrong?
Could you post details on how you have configured your system?
I'd like to know what memory is in each slot in the motherboard too.

[chron]

cpu has a big impact on those final scores. compaire the cpus

[Stinger_PY]

I think it's more his memory... he has 1,79GB and that would be:
- 1x 1024 or 2x 512
- 1x 512
- 1x 256
And it's PC2700.
His system is working in single channel mode, that's a bigger performance hit than the processor.
Warup89, you need to have all modules of the same type/speed and in pairs. Then they will work in dual channel mode.
It's better if you get other memory: ddr400 (pc3200) or faster.

[BigD6997]

ok just got my MSI x1800xt 512mb, i dont know if its the settings im using or what, but b4 i flashed it to xtpe it would randomly freeze in games, im using ccc 6.5, ran threw benches fine and got good stock scores 9500 +-, but in games it would randomly freeze, nothing in the system would work and i would have to restart the computer. is it ccc 6.5?

[BigD6997]

oh and its now flashed to xt pe

[BigD6997]

well i now deem my card to be rma'd... bah and i just put my accelero x2 on... im starting to get artifacts at start up now, and i cant do any games without a lockup, i cant even get past the chosing of axis or allies in cod2 without it freezing... meh i got the msi card, ima exchange it for a sapphire

[jjnissanpatfan]

Well i bought ac cooler (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835186002) for my card and it works nice.Its flashed to the xt pe and ran real hot and loud.I could be in the kitchen 2 rooms away and hear my stock fan kick on!!Since its silent i keep the fan on 100.Idle temp 40c gaming source 1hour 48c nice or what!!I have a nforce4 chipset and read some bad reviews but im real pleased with this. I have a 120 fan in front of bay drives blowing on the card so the hot air still blows out the back. And i highly recomend this to anyone who likes there card but hate the jet enjine noise.

[mascaras]

i have x1800X 512Mb stok bios catalyst 6.5 , stok cloks 625/750 = 9525 marks in 3dmark 2005 .



overloked to 720/830 @ 1.45v i got 11012 marks .



i prefer overclok and change voltage with atitool than flash with XT PE bios cause relax mmemory timings and increase voltage to 1.48v


regards

[RAA]

I've read through this thread but so much mention of what voltages are being used.

Can someone suggest max voltage settings for core and mem on stock cooler? My temps a fairly good cause I have a ventilation system which is funnelled to a tiny 7000rpm fan an inch away from CPU. It really blasts the hot air out of the entire system.. idle is 48'c and load I think about 60'c.

[Steevo]

1.5 core on air.
The memory is held back from it's own specs by the BIOS, it is 2v memory, most cards seem to use 1.8-1.9 I use 2.05 and hit the point where more speed and volts will do any better.

[chron]

in 3dmark scores and benches of that sort, how much does the rest of the system matter? If i have a crappy intel processor with a crappy motherboard and value ram, will my score not reflect the card's potential?

[Steevo]

Not if the CPU cannot pass information on to the card.

The bench difference between a 3Ghz intel and a 3Ghz AMD in the current offerings will be 2FPS round about for Intel, 4-5FPS for AMD in graphic benchmarks. While this 2-3FPS may not seem like much the truth be told it really equates to a 200-300% increase in performance. While that increase will not be fully seen in gaming the difference is there.

So in short, yes, a CPU more than anything holds the system back from reaching it's full potential.

[chron]

And the 3dmark scores? I see people with the same video card as me but with an AMD processor getting 3000+ higher score than me in 3dmark05. Is it possible that a format of the HD and fresh install of windows will give me a better score?

[yogurt_21]

actually yes, being that the newer drivers seem to score better and fresh install always help give back performance, the score should go up if you reformat and then run cat 6.5's.

and as for the whole rest of the system thin, cpu has aheavy impact on performance. beyond the architectural difference of the cpu you'll also have to note that amd's memory controller is much mroe effcicnet than intels thus adding to the difference in gaming.

as for 3dmark 05 my cpu bottlenecks at anything lower than 2.8GHZ in 3d05 and it gets worse the higher I clock my card.

[chron]

well thanks for clearing that up. Me and this guy on another forums are debating why my scores are so low. My reasoning: 1: need to format hd, 2: the rest of the system isn't a great gaming rig... His reasoning: Something is wrong with the card and suddenly an X1800gto that has all 16 pipes unlocked and clocked at 700/700 has something wrong with it!


So heres a question I've been wondering... Should I upgrade to AM2 or Conroe this summer?

[yogurt_21]

out of the two and being youre an intel guy conroe looks more promising, as far as should you? dunno if you have the funds and the will power to get through the buggy stage all new hardware has sure. conroe seems to be the next leader as far as benches have thusfar shown.

[chron]

Yea, the bugs at the initial release of hardware is what keeps me away for at least 3 months. What I'm thinking will be the buggiest though are the motherboards that support conroe. So, I dunno... I do have the funds so when it comes out I'll go ahead and try it, and if its buggy to the point where I can't even use the system, then I'll have to keep using the dell... I think the bugs should be minimal though since I've seen so many websites that have tested the am2 and conroe setups side by side...

[Rick Hunter]

well im should be getting a 1800xt 256mb if selling my card goes well, how have the overclocking been on these?

I've got a HIS X1800XT 256MB. Stock bios, 1.425 V gpu / 1.996 V mem with modded stock cooler (kept stock heatsink & removed stock fan & added an 80 cfm Delta fan with ducting on a rheobus).
711 MHz gpu / 860 MHz mem stable for hours in Oblivion. Temps are around 53 to 55 deg under load with 23-25 deg ambient.

Haven't pushed more volts into it yet. It seems the key for good mem OCing seems to be more gpu volts. At 1.375V, I wasn't able to break 830 MHz on the mem (regardless of mem volts).

[BigD6997]

I've got a HIS X1800XT 256MB. Stock bios, 1.425 V gpu / 1.996 V mem with modded stock cooler (kept stock heatsink & removed stock fan & added an 80 cfm Delta fan with ducting on a rheobus).
711 MHz gpu / 860 MHz mem stable for hours in Oblivion. Temps are around 53 to 55 deg under load with 23-25 deg ambient.

Haven't pushed more volts into it yet. It seems the key for good mem OCing seems to be more gpu volts. At 1.375V, I wasn't able to break 830 MHz on the mem (regardless of mem volts).
thanks, and selling my old card when realy well so i got a x1800xt 512mb, but my mobo doesnt let me play games with it cuz evga mobos hate the higher end x1k ati cards, so i got a dfi lp ut expert and ima start overclocking today since thats when it comes in, hopefully it works:laugh:

[warup89]

damn man nothing sucks mor than to change Motherboards because then you gotta take ur whole pc aparts then reinstall windows, and other little things but hope you get ur other mobo soon, so you could stop mising out on the x1800 :P.

anyways

i got my x1800xl 512mb long time ago, and just latetly i been able to flash it to full X1800XTPE (700/800), it works wonderfull and its giving me temps of 44C idle 51-63C load.

[Rick Hunter]

I've got a HIS X1800XT 256MB. Stock bios, 1.425 V gpu / 1.996 V mem with modded stock cooler (kept stock heatsink & removed stock fan & added an 80 cfm Delta fan with ducting on a rheobus).
711 MHz gpu / 860 MHz mem stable for hours in Oblivion. Temps are around 53 to 55 deg under load with 23-25 deg ambient.

Haven't pushed more volts into it yet. It seems the key for good mem OCing seems to be more gpu volts. At 1.375V, I wasn't able to break 830 MHz on the mem (regardless of mem volts).

Tried 1.45 V gpu last night. Managed 719 MHz gpu / 868 mem stable (873+ artifacts in Oblivion). Didn't manage to crash/vpu recover the gpu yet, it might have a few more MHz in there but I doubt I'll get more than 10. Decent overall OC imo.

[BigD6997]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2070814

finaly works with my new dfi lp ut expert!!!

[trt740]

My first Sapphire x1800xt died after overclocking it using Atitools. It was stable at 700/800 for a week, with a Zalman vf900 cooler and a very low gpu temps . So I sent it back and bought a new one. My new card hates Atitools as soon as I test it I get artifacting and it locks up to a black screen? The new card also has a Zalman vf900 cooler on it and appears to run fine using ATI Overdrive which clocks it at 689/797. Ive played Elder Scrolls on max settings and Guild Wars on maxed setting for hours and seem to have zero problems with this card, but why do you think it cannot use Atitools. I know Atitools is demanding but Elder Scrolls is also very video intense. Infact it might be the most video intense game ever made so I know it a great test bed. What kills me is it seems like the the program and card don't play nice at all. If I set the card at 625/750 in atitools it runs great but at say 650/760 it won't even test in less than a second it shows all kinds of yellow lines on the fuzzy cube and locks up, even with increased voltage. Im not even sure that the artfacting its showing is legit because I would surley see something after hours of play in Elder Scrolls Of Oblivion at 689/797 wouldn't I? what do you think.:banghead:

[cybercap]

hi guys

if a disable ATI SMART and ATI HOTKEY services (ati overdrive screen logically fails to initialize in CCC), do the 3D freqs still kick in in 3D games ?

and are my AA and AF settings still ok without those services?

[ati x1800xt flashed to PE here, vf900 @5v, not overclocked -too hot]

[chron]

I disabled those services because an oc guide said it would "thwoart my efforts"
I'm not sure what they do exactly...

I have an HIS X1800gto. I can't seem to go above 700mhz on the memory. Is it a possibility that the memory actually is limited to 700mhz? I've seen people with other gto's get up to 780!

[tranx]

I've got latest Omega Drivers based on Catalyst 6.5 and I use AtiTool 0.25 beta 14 to overclock my card in 3D mode without problems. I didn't check/uncheck Overdrive (Properties of the Desktop/Settings/Advanced/Overdrive) - currently is enabled, but it shouldn't make any difference. Omega's instalator will put Ati Tray Tools into your Start Bar (if you agree), so you will have easy (and fast, not like in CCC) access to all the settings (Vsync, AA, AF, everything). You can use profiles as well. Automatic 3D mode detection in AtiTools works fine for me everytime. My VGPU is 1.35V, Vmem default - with these values X1800XT 256MB from Connect3D goes on 680MHz GPU and 801MHz (effective 1602MHz) memory in 3D mode (AtiTool is switching). I made additional default profile in AtiTool due to a need of restoring VGPU (1.275V) after switching back to 2D mode (then the clock are 600MHz GPU and 700MHz memory). At the moment (summer) my idle temp in 2D mode is 56c, stressed goes up to 88c. Cooler is obviously (noise!!) changed to Accelero X2 from Arctic Cooling.

[chron]

Put a VF1-Plus on it. Blows accelero away. My room is 82 degrees rite now. Its real hot in the summer. My card is idling at 45 and load at 65

[tranx]

Put a VF1-Plus on it. Blows accelero away. My room is 82 degrees rite now. Its real hot in the summer. My card is idling at 45 and load at 65

82c?? Get out of the oven - it's warming up! ;) But seriously - 680/800 is enough for me until I get some DX10 card. When I've red that X2 will make 4 times less noise on 100% than Ati's stock cooler on 25%, I knew is the one :).

[neokeelo]

My first Sapphire x1800xt died after overclocking it using Atitools. It was stable at 700/800 for a week, with a Zalman vf900 cooler and a very low gpu temps . So I sent it back and bought a new one. My new card hates Atitools as soon as I test it I get artifacting and it locks up to a black screen? The new card also has a Zalman vf900 cooler on it and appears to run fine using ATI Overdrive which clocks it at 689/797. Ive played Elder Scrolls on max settings and Guild Wars on maxed setting for hours and seem to have zero problems with this card, but why do you think it cannot use Atitools. I know Atitools is demanding but Elder Scrolls is also very video intense. Infact it might be the most video intense game ever made so I know it a great test bed. What kills me is it seems like the the program and card don't play nice at all. If I set the card at 625/750 in atitools it runs great but at say 650/760 it won't even test in less than a second it shows all kinds of yellow lines on the fuzzy cube and locks up, even with increased voltage. Im not even sure that the artfacting its showing is legit because I would surley see something after hours of play in Elder Scrolls Of Oblivion at 689/797 wouldn't I? what do you think.:banghead:

I am have this SAME problem, I can't overclock much with ATI toold But I can get 690/800 fine with Overdrive.

Should I use the OMEGA drivers instead then try? Also trt740 ... What is your voltage set at on the core?

Using Overdrive, @680/794 I get 4452 in 3dkmark06
and 17944 in 3DMark2003 Does that sound right?

[cybercap]

I've got latest Omega Drivers based on Catalyst 6.5 and I use AtiTool 0.25 beta 14 to overclock my card in 3D mode without problems. I didn't check/uncheck Overdrive (Properties of the Desktop/Settings/Advanced/Overdrive) - currently is enabled, but it shouldn't make any difference. Omega's instalator will put Ati Tray Tools into your Start Bar (if you agree), so you will have easy (and fast, not like in CCC) access to all the settings (Vsync, AA, AF, everything). You can use profiles as well. Automatic 3D mode detection in AtiTools works fine for me everytime. My VGPU is 1.35V, Vmem default - with these values X1800XT 256MB from Connect3D goes on 680MHz GPU and 801MHz (effective 1602MHz) memory in 3D mode (AtiTool is switching). I made additional default profile in AtiTool due to a need of restoring VGPU (1.275V) after switching back to 2D mode (then the clock are 600MHz GPU and 700MHz memory). At the moment (summer) my idle temp in 2D mode is 56c, stressed goes up to 88c. Cooler is obviously (noise!!) changed to Accelero X2 from Arctic Cooling.

i'll give the omega 6.5 a try then ;)

did you disable the ati services ?

[chron]

82c?? Get out of the oven - it's warming up! ;) But seriously - 680/800 is enough for me until I get some DX10 card. When I've red that X2 will make 4 times less noise on 100% than Ati's stock cooler on 25%, I knew is the one :).

Yea dude, its hot, I just got a new AC unit for the window even though the rest of my house has ac.

Can't you go above 680? What kind of voltage are you working with?

[tvdang7]

My first Sapphire x1800xt died after overclocking it using Atitools. It was stable at 700/800 for a week, with a Zalman vf900 cooler and a very low gpu temps . So I sent it back and bought a new one. My new card hates Atitools as soon as I test it I get artifacting and it locks up to a black screen? The new card also has a Zalman vf900 cooler on it and appears to run fine using ATI Overdrive which clocks it at 689/797. Ive played Elder Scrolls on max settings and Guild Wars on maxed setting for hours and seem to have zero problems with this card, but why do you think it cannot use Atitools. I know Atitools is demanding but Elder Scrolls is also very video intense. Infact it might be the most video intense game ever made so I know it a great test bed. What kills me is it seems like the the program and card don't play nice at all. If I set the card at 625/750 in atitools it runs great but at say 650/760 it won't even test in less than a second it shows all kinds of yellow lines on the fuzzy cube and locks up, even with increased voltage. Im not even sure that the artfacting its showing is legit because I would surley see something after hours of play in Elder Scrolls Of Oblivion at 689/797 wouldn't I? what do you think.:banghead:


wow. was that cuz of the overclock you think? or just an unlucky card? i want to get an XT and overclock it but not if it dies a few weeks (or months) later. i have top notch water cooling btw

[trt740]

I got some great advice and have now clocked my card with ati tools at 685/810 stable with voltage at `1.425 . All i had to do was type msconfig in my run like and diable aticcc and up my voltage to 1.4 and it started to run fine. Not sure why the first one died.

[chron]

I got some great advice and have now clocked my card with ati tools at 685/810 stable with voltage at `1.425 . All i had to do was type msconfig in my run like and diable aticcc and up my voltage to 1.4 and it started to run fine. Not sure why the first one died.

First of all, if your going to overclock an ATI video card I would advice AGAINST using ATI's control panel software or their catalyst software... Its garbage and doesn't let you take full advantage of your card's potential performance.

I use ATI Tray Tools. Its an extremely small program that lets you tweak out everything possible about the card, including multi threading support.

While using Vsync (almost all the time) I like to force triple buffers on a d3d game... It makes a big difference.

[neokeelo]

Chron,

I just installed the OMEGA drivers and I have looked at ATI Tray but it still reads the 2d clocks. How do I get it to read the 3d clocks?

[chron]

ATI Tray tools doesn't seem to want to work with the chip when it comes to overclocking or even fan controll...

Do the following:

First: Uninstall catalyst control center completely... Goto ATI.com and under dial up section on the xp radeon page, download the display driver only. Install the display driver only, without any control software.

Second: Google ATI Tray Tools... You can find a download at guru3d. You don't need the omega drivers and since the x1800 and x1900 chips are basically new technology, I'd advice against ever using omega drivers.

Third: Go to run> "services.msc"... Services.msc will bring you to a list of all the services that are offered on your computer... Find the two services called "ATI Hotkey" and "ATI Smart".. Double click and change the startup to "Disabled" for both of these services.

Fourth: Download ATITool (not ati tray tools, its a diferent program.) What you can do is set up a profile using ATI Tool, setting the clocks to your 3d clocks, and then in the options of ATITool you can have it load that profile when games are detected... This should keep heat down if your not cooling it with aftermarket cooling.

With propper cooling, running at your max overclock constantly isn't a problem.


Basically, catalyst control center is set up to change your clocks to what it is advertised as, only when a 3d application is loaded. When you remove all of ATI's horrible software, and use their driver only, you can set your 3d clocks to be on all the time, or use a seperate program to change the clocks when a 3d application is found.

I leave my card running at 700/700 all the time, although default clocks are 500/500.

[bchivers]

I'm thinking of buying this card
but don't know if it will fit. Are there any MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum nForce4 (7125 I think) users with this card and what cooler do you have on your northbrigde?

[chron]

if i knew about it, I would wait for an X1800GTO2 from sapphire. Its supposed to have 512mb of ram and its more than likely that it will unlock

[bchivers]

if i knew about it, I would wait for an X1800GTO2 from sapphire. Its supposed to have 512mb of ram and its more than likely that it will unlock Sounds great but I am pushing my buget to the limit and then some with htis one.:toast:

[stinzza]

why does it post "ati mobility radeon x1800" on my cipset.. when i got "ati radeon x1800xt"??????

[POGE]

It doesnt specify what kind of x1800.

[stinzza]

but it say ati mobility radeon.. does yours read that??

[chron]

ewwww

[Steevo]

Anyone else have problems with Halo. 6X Temporal, 16X All high quality?



I am getting corruption on decals and texture maps, voltage makes no difference, nor does speed-fan speed. I tried dropping the CPU speed and that didn't work either.


It's not really bad, just annoying.

[chron]

turn off any kind of optimizations and cat ai...

[stinzza]

anyone with a sapphirex1800xt 256mb bios...please help..badly need one:respect:

[Hal2710]

Hi stinzza,

I have same videocard bios file for you.

Hal2710

[stinzza]

what is that...it fucked up my card.. thanks a lot

[Steevo]

What is that?


1) your choice to flash it.
2) a unknown file.
3) You probably didn't check it.
4) If you aren't ready to face the possibilitys, you shouldn't be here, at this site, where things are tested, pushed, pushed harder, untill they break sometimes.
5) 6 posts? I mean, really, let someone at least check it for you, if he gets offended that is his issue.






Why did you need a BIOS anyway, unless your card was aready fucked?

[Hal2710]

Hi stinzza,

Did you unzip the file BEFORE you flashed it ??

Works fine for me !!

Here is the RaBit 2.1 log file for inspection by the forum admin.


Anyone else have a problem with this file ??

Hal2710

(7 Posts and counting)

[g12rxz]

I obviously dont post often, but I do traverse the site alot. I came here when I was first exploring the possiblities of flashing my old Connect3D x800GTO. Successful btw. As soon as I heard about the x1800GTO I bought it when I could get it. I've been running it for about 2 months? I can't even quite remember but thats not the point. Sapphire x1800gto, ran great, always overclocked well. I bought it with the intention of flashing it, but when i got it, it was too new, even for the catalyst drivers. Yesturday morning I was bored, and I realized I hadn't flashed my card to 16p yet. after about 14 minutes of reading through posts here, and wherever else google took me, I successfully flashed my Sapphire x1800GTO with the Sapphire x1800xl bios. It still registers as a GTO but ATI tool shows 16 pipes.

http://img.techpowerup.org/060704/gto16p.jpg

The first problem i had after flashing it was when i tried to play some Half Life 2 (which by the way is the best game I've played in a long time... mostly cause I bought it a week ago). It would appear to load, but as soon as it hit 3D, ATI Overdrive settings would kick in, this caused the whole computer to crash and restart. I again consulted google, and learned that it had 'something' to do with voltage. ATI overdrive is now off, but the 16 pipes still does make a nice difference! My question today though, does anyone know of a modified bios with the old GTO or slightly higher voltages so I can hit overdrive and not have to worry about a thing? Any other reccomendations for overclocking are well appreciated.

EDIT: I have a Zalman VF900 on the card, works very well and heat has never been an issue (since).

[DRDNA]

set voltage with atitool.exe,but the flash should of raised your 3dclock volts,but i could be wrong.

[stinzza]

jo.. anyone know of why my sapphire x1800xt 256mb has device id 7101 and other sapp1800xt256 has 7100..what does that mean??

[g12rxz]

Cannot set voltages with ATI tool, so I'm stuck there. It has something to do with the x1800xl bios though I'm sure.

[theoldboy]

Can I join the eletist club I have a x1800 xt 512mb ,much better than the 7900gt
ati are getting there shit together at last

[g12rxz]

I type this in VGA mode. Bad flash while playing with home brewed bios -> need to RMA. Stuck with a measly ol unlocked x800gto for now :P

[DRDNA]

g12rxz
I'd re-flash back to the stock Bios if I were you then sell it and get a xt (either 1800 or 1900) or even a xl in those models....if it were me I'd buy the 1900 series as the prices are too close and there is enough performance increase to justify the 1900.


Use a separate video card so you can see what you are doing when you flash back to stock(if thats what you decide).

[g12rxz]

I tried flashing back, thats the problem. The card will boot up fine into VGA mode and i can use the computer. (although right now im using a 6600gt just so i can have my resolution needs fullfilled) i used a bios which will not let windows or ati drivers pick the card up as being an 'ati' card. because of this, i cannot flash, i get an error saying no ati devices detected. If you know how to circumvent this, i can easily flash the card back to an xl and go on with my life :P!

[chron]

dont do it using winflash, do atiflash in dos... Theres plenty of flash programs, try each and every one and dont try it from windows, only from dos. If your getting standard vga then your card is fine.

[g12rxz]

I've tried ATI flash, flashrom, and win flash. None of them will work, all of them reporting the same problem: no ATI devices detected.

But yes, i agree the card is fine. I did everything right when i was creating my own bios, just messed up the device ID so drivers will not pick up what the card actually is. Since windows/ati drivers cant figure out what it is, i cant install it, and again, the flash programs wont read the card as an ati device, therego, they will not flash it.

[chron]

download a previous version of winflash and use the force option

[g12rxz]

I was always using the force option. -_-;

[bchivers]

Just installed a HIS X1800GTO but don't know where to look for info on checking the fuses and unlocking the pipes. I know how to check a X800 GT is it the same?

Found it.

[kellottaja]

I'm not reading the whole thread.. :-D Can X1800XL be modded to XT 256, if it clocks as @ XT?

[mjs1231]

search for my posts, you will find at least interesting


try a his 1800 gto

with pipes unlocked

700 gpu
1500 ddr-3

thats faster than a xt

and there is still gpu headroom

now try 2 of these cards on a cfx3200-dr
and a pc power and cooling 510 deluxe

can you say omfg


both cards and the dfi for 600 dollars

and rivals xt crossfire

talk about gamming

try 4 17 in lcd on a Neo-flex 4 screen model

running single virtual mode

wheeeeeeeeeee

score 1 for the citizen

bump bump

[mjs1231]

my other posts explain everything you need to unlock the power of this video card

your all welcome

[mjs1231]

d a m n heathens
lol


enjoy

[Nope]

Hi, tried to overclock my Gecube X1800 GTO but with little success.. Looks like it's an X1800 LE card marked as GTO.. Original speed is as all GTO 500/500. But if it is as i think then this piece of s**t is an overclocked LE card with org. speed of 450/450..
Someone else out there who has a Gecube X1800 GTO and have the original BIOS please open it with RaBit and see if it say R520 LE.

[chron]

Post it Nope... Or send it to me: FlyingEvan@aol.com. I'll see if I can raise the core voltage by 10%, this should be safe for a stock card and should let you overclock by a good ammount...


Oh, and MJS, quit actin like your doing us all a favor. I've probably posted about 6 unlock guides on 6 different forums for the X1800GTO. Hell, people would have a better chance at finding an unlock guide by searching for my name and x1800 in google.

[bchivers]

I have been able to unlock all the pipes on my HIS X1800GTO Turbo but am unable to reach 600 on core or memory. This seems low to me. What should I expect realistically?

[chron]

http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=4497119&postcount=1

Follow those instructions. Some genius came up with them.

[bchivers]

Thank you genius. Followed the steps and had a successful mod but atitool still does not show temps and I guess I don't know how to change the voltages with it. When I click on mem it says it is not supported on this chipset. Maybe I used the wrong bios (113-A52002-104) saphire X1800XL.256Samsung 14_050923.bin.? I.Hex(hex editor) says that I did not connect the power cable but I do have it connected, anyway to know for sure?

[ace80]

bchivers, i have the same card, the mod to 16pipes worked for me shows in ati tool, however getting temps and voltage control working wasn't successful. This morning, i thought i'd try the method chron posted in the link above again and somehow it now works, i don't know what happened must have tried it 10 times prior with no luck.

I also used the sapphire bios from the bios collection on this site, as for the power connector i wouldn't know, double check the wiring in your system, i dont mean to sound stupid but i know we've all overlooked little things like that before. Let us know how you get on, good luck

[bchivers]

bchivers, i have the same card, the mod to 16pipes worked for me shows in ati tool, however getting temps and voltage control working wasn't successful. This morning, i thought i'd try the method chron posted in the link above again and somehow it now works, i don't know what happened must have tried it 10 times prior with no luck.

I also used the sapphire bios from the bios collection on this site, as for the power connector i wouldn't know, double check the wiring in your system, i dont mean to sound stupid but i know we've all overlooked little things like that before. Let us know how you get on, good luck

ace80.
Thanks for the advice, will try it again.
i dont mean to sound stupid but
You don't sound stupid. I was a electrician and when I came across a trouble shooting problem I would always say to myself "make it simple stupid" one of my favorite sayings. Usually the problem was something simple. Will check connections again.
Thanks B. Chivers.:toast:

[ace80]

Ok guys benchmarking complete, time for the results.
All tests were done with OC @ 705/756 with processor running @ default.

3Dmark03 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4877034

3DMark05 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2118551

3DMark06 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=392401

What do u guys think, how do they compare with your results?

I've heard that the CPU can be a big factor in these scores so i'm gonna OC the proc to see what kind of bottlenecks i have.

all comments welcome.

[bchivers]

Ok guys benchmarking complete, time for the results.
All tests were done with OC @ 705/756 with processor running @ default.

3Dmark03 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4877034

3DMark05 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2118551

3DMark06 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=392401

What do u guys think, how do they compare with your results?

I've heard that the CPU can be a big factor in these scores so i'm gonna OC the proc to see what kind of bottlenecks i have.

all comments welcome.
Links don't work for me.

[ace80]

Links don't work for me
Sorry about that, forgot to make them the active projects, should work now

[bchivers]

Works now. I did better that you on the 05 (8164) but you beat me with 06 (3350). I think the 06 version is more accurate for the X1800's. Wonder why one is higher and not the other?

[ace80]

I did better that you on the 05 (8164) but you beat me with 06 (3350).
That is weird, anyone have any ideas?

I take it your pipes are unlocked to 16 and your running default clocks?
Running 3DMark06 with 16 pipes and default clocks i got 3455.

I'll be posting results with proc OC'd to 3.7 soon, should be interesting.

[Apamedvapen]

(First post I am making, but I have read on this forum for more then a year now)

I have read a few of the posts on this thread, but there's so many, and I simply don't want to read them all..
The question I'd like to ask is this: What is teh average overclocking you can get on an X1800XT? I have just bought one, and I want to overclock it, but I'm not sure what is too high and what is too low. If I know the average overclocking result (without any voltmods) I can easily find my cards highest clock.

Also, I don't know so much about voltmodding a X1800XT, but can't you do it through a BIOS flash or something?
Thank you.

[chron]

That is weird, anyone have any ideas?

I take it your pipes are unlocked to 16 and your running default clocks?
Running 3DMark06 with 16 pipes and default clocks i got 3455.

I'll be posting results with proc OC'd to 3.7 soon, should be interesting.

I've debated this many many times. Its the processor. People say that 05 isnt processor intensive, BUT there is a very CLEAR difference between my intel p4 setup and a normal amd setup. The difference is how each processor handles memory. Conroe's new architecure is supposed to be the best so thats what im upgrading to when i can.

my x1800gto at 700/700 currently does not go above 7k on this crappy dell. When I move it to my little brother's basic amd system, I hit 9k. When I upgrade to conroe with a nice motherboard and memory combo, I think I should hit 10k.