building second rig amd short on cash need advice

[salvation]

planning my first amd rig. i am not familiar with amd please need advice. my friend suggested a dfi board, but is not 100% sure please give advice

[Squirrely]

Depends what type processor you want, an X2 or Phenom. If you want a X2, I would go with a 5000+ BE. I have one, and they are great OC'ers.

[jinho11104]

if you want a cheap sli amd rig..

MSI k9n sli

2 X 8600GT(if you don't have a card alrdy)

5000+ AMD Black EDITION

2 gigs is enough


vista/xp (alot of people prefer XP[better preformance] but vista can do the same if you fix preferences)

zalman cooler(overclocking the 5000+)

cheap case..


If you aren't a hardcore gamer... just casual

pick up a 790G chipset mobo.. and a phenom.

[salvation]

well im going with a 6400+

[pepsi71ocean]

Hey sal< i glad to see you took my advice and came over. Welcome to TPU!

I suggested a X2 6400+ which runs at 3.2GHz naively.

Squirll, as for the BE i heard you can't hit over 3GHz?

[p_o_s_pc]

Hey sal< i glad to see you took my advice and came over. Welcome to TPU!

I suggested a X2 6400+ which runs at 3.2GHz naively.

Squirll, as for the BE i heard you can't hit over 3GHz?

I call BS on that i run 3.2ish on mine benching and 3ghz@stock voltage 24/7

[pepsi71ocean]

I call BS on that i run 3.2ish on mine benching and 3ghz@stock voltage 24/7

what are your volts like?

[salvation]

hey pospc do u know any good motherboards

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Good motherboards are a dime a dozen, are you going ATi or nVidia? also are you going to run multi-gpu, or just single?

Edit: Also, what's your budget?

[p_o_s_pc]

what are your volts like?

3ghz 1.32v (stock for my CPU) 3.2ghz 1.52-1.55v (depends on temps) I have hit 3.3ish unstable with 1.56v

[Squirrely]

Squirll, as for the BE i heard you can't hit over 3GHz?

I can hit over 3ghz. I got 3.2 a while ago, but just didn't keep it there (1.475v I think), as there was no need too. I think cdawall can hit ~3.475 ghz, but thats with a good bit of volts. :laugh:

Overall, I think the 5000 BE is good. Its 65nm as well, so that's a +1.

[p_o_s_pc]

hey pospc do u know any good motherboards

here is a nice board. and good overclocking
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128081

If you are wanting to crossfire someday
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136044
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130136

If you want to SLI then someone else is going to have to look them up for you because i don't keep up with them

[pepsi71ocean]

3ghz 1.32v (stock for my CPU) 3.2ghz 1.52-1.55v (depends on temps)

whats the farthest you have gotten the BE stable? Would you suggest water cooling for it as well?

[salvation]

im going single im eithier goona choose SAPPHIRE 100227L Radeon HD 3850 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card or EVGA 512-P3-N807-AR GeForce 8800GT AKIMBO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

[p_o_s_pc]

whats the farthest you have gotten the BE stable? Would you suggest water cooling for it as well?

highest stable i have got would be 3.2ghz @1.52v on a cool day.temp with my HSF was 42c full load. I would recommend water if you wanted to run high voltage (1.5+) 24/7 just for the life of the CPU but a good air cooler would be just fine if your not running as high voltage. Keep in mind alot of the BE get the same clocks with lower V-core. I think i just didn't get a good binned chip and also my mobo is showing its age and isn't overclocking as good anymore.

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Go with the 8800GT, it will give you better performance than a 3850.
If you're not going with a phenom I wouldn't bother with a nForce700 chip, you'll be fine with either a 500 or 600 chip. You should be able to find a good asus or giga board for under $100

What's your full budget?

[p_o_s_pc]

Go with the 8800GT, it will give you better performance than a 3850.
If you're not going with a phenom I wouldn't bother with a nForce700 chip, you'll be fine with either a 500 or 600 chip. You should be able to find a good asus or giga board for under $100

What's your full budget?

+1 on the 8800GT -1 on the 500 or 600
I would still get something that 100% supports Phenom so if one day he does want one then he wouldn't have to get a new board to get the full performance and overclocking out of one

[OzzmanFloyd120]

+1 on the 8800GT -1 on the 500 or 600
I would still get something that 100% supports Phenom so if one day he does want one then he wouldn't have to get a new board to get the full performance and overclocking out of one

True, I guess as a biproduct of my extreme-poorness I automatically look for the cheapest thing availabe for relative performance.

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Mobos
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138081
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131022
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138117

Third one is definately your best bet.

[pepsi71ocean]

What's your full budget?

Hes tight on money, i suggested AMD because its cheaper right now overall compared to intel. And this rig is for his mom's house, his primary computer is at his dad's.

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Any numbers? Any parts being salvaged?

[p_o_s_pc]

Mobos
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138081
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131022
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138117

Third one is definately your best bet.

all of the mobos are nice but the Gigabyte one i linked i still recommend it over the others.but the 3rd board is the best out of the list

[pepsi71ocean]

Any numbers? Any parts being salvaged?
not really, when he built his first rig we stole most of the good components, Hes basically starting at scratch.

[p_o_s_pc]

I would recommend the 5kBE,Gigabyte board that i linked a few post up,2gb of ram 667 or higher(any brand really) a 3850 or 3870 or 8800GS or 9600GSO also a 500w antec psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371019
any mid tower case and a ACF64 pro for the CPU

[salvation]

can someone post a link to a website that sells 5000+ BE

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138117
CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103773
RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227139
Optical
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106261
HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145213
GFX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150304
I vouch for that card.
The reason I gave that CPU is because BE CPUS don't come with a HSF, that one does. Also I couldn't find a PSU that I feel comfortable recommending. I don't know what you want for a case, so I'll let you hunt around a little.

[pepsi71ocean]

i can't find a 5000+ BE at newegg? are there any other good sites that have the 5000+ BE?

[OzzmanFloyd120]

I don't think they make dual core BE chips anymore. I might be wrong though.

[GLD]

Tigerdirect.com has some cpu/board combo deals with the 5k Black. Pretty good prices imo. The 5000+ BE is cheaper there then Newegg. NCIX.com would be another good place to look.

[p_o_s_pc]

I don't think they make dual core BE chips anymore. I might be wrong though.

:eek: damn they are good chips looks like i am holding onto mine.

[pepsi71ocean]

:eek: damn they are good chips looks like i am holding onto mine.

i wish i had bought one when i had the chance now. :(

[p_o_s_pc]

i wish i had bought one when i had the chance now. :(

I still may consider selling mine kinda wanting to go quad core

[pepsi71ocean]

I still may consider selling mine kinda wanting to go quad core

How's that BE holding up on clocking? I might be interested after i get done wc ing my rig now, and after i stash some more cash up. I'll be in touch.

[p_o_s_pc]

How's that BE holding up on clocking? I might be interested after i get done wc ing my rig now, and after i stash some more cash up. I'll be in touch.

i run it 3ghz 24/7 on stock voltage passed 12hrs prime 95 and days of F@H. will run 3.2ish on 1.52v without a problem still. but keep in mind my board isn't the best board for clocking the BE it did alot better with older cpus (4200+,4600 etc)