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W1zzard
11-20-2005, 05:11 PM
- Added overclocking for X1000 series
- Added monitoring and fan control for X1000 series
- Added VGPU, MVDDC, MVDDQ voltage control for X1800 (yes it only works on X1800 and is not possible on other cards)
- Improvements to hotkey detection code
- Fixed BIOS dump on some 6800LE NVIDIA cards
- Added switch for Adaptive Anti-Aliasing
- Added current draw monitoring for X1800
- Artifact scanning on X1000 series might not be 100% reliable yet

Download: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/101

pierrick30
11-20-2005, 05:23 PM
- Added VGPU, MVDDC, MVDDQ voltage control for X1800 (yes it only works on X1800)
BWAAA cant believe its only for X1800 :((
- Added switch for Adaptive Anti-Aliasing
cool

When can we expect a stable release?

Bob111
11-20-2005, 05:25 PM
Thanks W1zzard,
I have been waiting for this. I'm getting ready to try it out now. Again thanks for all your work :)

pierrick30
11-20-2005, 05:26 PM
oh yeah i forgot i thank you too for your work

InAwe
11-20-2005, 05:56 PM
Just stopped by to see which vids cards you're supporting for computer's next generation. And I am Wondering which would suit my needs if the scenario calls for a computer upgrade.

Good health to you, if your in the holiday season mood, hope you have good holidays.

W1zzard
11-20-2005, 05:58 PM
When can we expect a stable release?

once enough positive feedback builds up :)
the upgrade is suggested for all users .. the more feedback the faster the final will be out

SPHERE
11-20-2005, 06:17 PM
awesome!!!! a aa switch!!!! w00t!!! thank you sooo much!! :)

dancinpuck
11-20-2005, 06:24 PM
Wizzard,

I installed ati tool beta 9, and i get that microsoft error thing whenever i try to run it. I have an ATI X800XL, let me know if you need other info

W1zzard
11-20-2005, 06:38 PM
Wizzard,

I installed ati tool beta 9, and i get that microsoft error thing whenever i try to run it. I have an ATI X800XL, let me know if you need other info

can you get me more error info?

deathman20
11-20-2005, 07:05 PM
Hmmm the memory voltage MVDDC and MVDDQ don't seem to be setting properly when adjusting it in ATITool .25 Beta 9.

It keeps resetting to 1.8V on the card. VGPU works perfectly fine though.

Opps forgot to add, this is for the X1800XL card

Mekrel
11-20-2005, 07:07 PM
Hi all,

Thanks W1zzard for the update, I think this is the first profile saving overclocking tool for the 1x000 series.

Having a few problems though mate, and im sure they are related.

When I first started up ATi Tool, it gave me a warning about Alternate Pixel Center being enabled, which I found odd as it is disabled via ATi Tray Tools and I double checked via the registry and the values for Alternate pixel center are both 0.

When I start the overclocking tool with find max core, the core values start to decrease straight away and I get yellow abnormalities around the fury cube. Obviously this is due to Alternate pixel center, as the warning does say it will create visual abnormalities. Thats weird although the application is reporting 0 errors.

Look forward to your reply,

this is on a X1800XL :)

spajdr
11-20-2005, 07:20 PM
Just reporting:
saving vga bios to file didnt work on my HIS X1800XL
saying " could not get bios from card "

W1zzard
11-20-2005, 07:27 PM
mekrel: could you check in your registry what type "PixelCenter" has ? dword? string?

spajdr: next build will have dump bios disabled on all x1000 card until a fix is found

deathman20: no issues with memory voltage change here .. could you describe what you are doing and what's happening? anybody else having problems with this?

spajdr
11-20-2005, 07:41 PM
W1zzard : ok, np, just testing. Also when i enable Adaptive Antialiasing i didnt see option for setting it to quality or performance.

Mekrel
11-20-2005, 07:44 PM
The "PixelCenter" reg setting is REG_SZ , is that a string?

Spires
11-20-2005, 07:46 PM
Thanks W1zz for the great utility, badly needed and hits the spot ~8D! Anyways, for some feedback, the overclocker util and ATItool do not show the same voltages. I have a BBA X1800XT. The core shows .025 difference between the two. I set to 1.4 in overclocker, ATItool shows 1.375, I set to 1.425 it shows 1.4 in ATItool... not too bad a difference but a difference for sure. Memory seems to read 2.097 from the get go when overclocker reads 1.8. I changed the mem and IO voltage from overclocker to 1.85 for both and read again from atitool and it read 1.84 for both, back to 1.8, then read for 1.79 and 1.9 in overclocker reads 1.889 in atitool. One other thing, when scan for artifacts is clicked, it shows some yellow crud artifacts around the cube no matter wheather it's defaults, low clock speeds or anything else. It goes away by hitting abort then scan again, then it's normal.

thunderhawk82
11-20-2005, 07:46 PM
I uninstalled the 0.24. Installed the 0.25 Beta 9 but it doesn't start!

Nothing happens when I click the atitool.exe !




My system spec:

AMD 3200+ s.754
X800 PRO (non vivo)
MOTHERBOARD: GIGABYTE K8NSNXP
WINDOWS XP 64-BIT

nunyabiz
11-20-2005, 07:50 PM
Hmm, One thing that I notice, when I set overclock in ATI Tool, when I open the overclock tool from driver heaven, its says ATI Tool set 2d speed, not 3d. Any idea why that is?

W1zzard
11-20-2005, 07:53 PM
Hmm, One thing that I notice, when I set overclock in ATI Tool, when I open the overclock tool from driver heaven, its says ATI Tool set 2d speed, not 3d. Any idea why that is?

thats the new 2d/3d clocks crap ati introduced .. could you email me your bios to w1zzard@gmx.net .. use the winflash from our downloads section to extract it

W1zzard
11-20-2005, 07:57 PM
I uninstalled the 0.24. Installed the 0.25 Beta 9 but it doesn't start!

Nothing happens when I click the atitool.exe !




My system spec:

AMD 3200+ s.754
X800 PRO (non vivo)
MOTHERBOARD: GIGABYTE K8NSNXP
WINDOWS XP 64-BIT

could be a 64-bit issue.. i'll install xp-64 in the next days

thunderhawk82
11-20-2005, 08:01 PM
Ok... Hope for a solution

Thanks

nunyabiz
11-20-2005, 08:06 PM
thats the new 2d/3d clocks crap ati introduced .. could you email me your bios to w1zzard@gmx.net .. use the winflash from our downloads section to extract it

Sorry, could you tell me how to use it? It doesnt seem to recognize my board.

Spires
11-20-2005, 08:15 PM
mmm was there some way to have ATItool recall your voltage settings? I keep the overclocks, but without the voltage bumps I get lockups. Other than the few issues listed here, it runs great!

Super XP
11-20-2005, 08:33 PM
Wizard, great work with the ATI Tool 0.25 Beta 9:)

I run Windows XP Pro x64 & have no problems running ATI Tool 0.25 B9 or any of the ATI Tools. I acually find it a lot better when running it in 64-Bit Win.

Will there be a way to maybe unlock the voltages of the Core/Mem in the R430's & R480's?

That would be great.
And thank you for your time.

Take Care,

W1zzard
11-20-2005, 08:38 PM
- Added VGPU, MVDDC, MVDDQ voltage control for X1800 (yes it only works on X1800 and is not possible on other cards)

i reworded to make sure everybody understands

W1zzard
11-20-2005, 08:39 PM
mmm was there some way to have ATItool recall your voltage settings? I keep the overclocks, but without the voltage bumps I get lockups. Other than the few issues listed here, it runs great!

saving voltage to profile will be in one of the next versions

Spires
11-20-2005, 08:45 PM
Hmmm the memory voltage MVDDC and MVDDQ don't seem to be setting properly when adjusting it in ATITool .25 Beta 9

He's right, the mem voltages do not work correctly. It is weird. On first read of the memory voltages, they both read 2.097 (clocker reports 1.8). Setting them says they are at a certain value, but they dont change in ATIclocker. If I set them in ATIclocker to say 2.0, then you can read them from ATItool and get the correct value, but thats it. Gamma does not work either, I get weird lines all over the color display area, and the keys wont bind.

Outside that, we are in business for having a clocker that will clock your card to whatever your cooling and stock voltages allow 8).

deathman20
11-20-2005, 08:53 PM
deathman20: no issues with memory voltage change here .. could you describe what you are doing and what's happening? anybody else having problems with this?

Ya I can describe it.

That OC tool thats out. Well I can set the voltages in there, it shows up on ATI tool properly (and is the actual voltages unlike OC tool shows). But if I hit apply in ATITool it reverts back to 1.8V on the mem settings. This has been checked with a DMM also, so it does set them back.

Super XP
11-20-2005, 08:59 PM
Ya I can describe it.

That OC tool thats out. Well I can set the voltages in there, it shows up on ATI tool properly (and is the actual voltages unlike OC tool shows). But if I hit apply in ATITool it reverts back to 1.8V on the mem settings. This has been checked with a DMM also, so it does set them back.

Can this be because there is some sort of instability somewhere? Can your graphics card take that voltage? What cooling do you use? Maybe there is some sort of an "Auto Default" setting enabled in the X1000's to prevent over voltage. Just a suggestion ;)

//mAr
11-20-2005, 09:08 PM
Egal, ob ich 1,175, 1,2 oder 1,25 GPU-Volt einstelle, 3DM03 oder 05 laufen höchstens 10 Sekunden. Temperaturen nie über 65 Grad.
Hab alles von 560 bis 600 MHZ probiert.
english: Voltage Setting doesn't matter, 3Dmark freeze within 10s. Temp not above 65°C. Tried 560-600MHz

Ach shit, zu früh gefreut, RAM OC gleich Bildsalat
english: Ram OC causing artifacting

Wenn ich 1,2 V GPU-Spannung einstelle, friert mir umgehend der Bildschirm ein?! Temps sind in Ordnung.
english: If using 1,2V VGPU -> freeze. Temps allright.

source of problems: http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=175966

deathman20
11-20-2005, 09:23 PM
Can this be because there is some sort of instability somewhere? Can your graphics card take that voltage? What cooling do you use? Maybe there is some sort of an "Auto Default" setting enabled in the X1000's to prevent over voltage. Just a suggestion ;)

It can run up to 1.35/2.1/2.1V stable i've tested so yes. I'm using a Zalman FS-V7 Cooler + 120mm fan blowing at the underside. It can run 625/750 with 1.25/1.9/1.9V (or 1.225/1.875/1.875v in ATI tool acording to the voltage drop that OC doesn't pick up or compensate for.

Mekrel
11-20-2005, 09:26 PM
I also noticed that voltage settings differed between the two programs.

I also noticed that it was 0.25v difference (with the core anyway) as my XL can do 750 on default volts.

deathman20
11-20-2005, 09:32 PM
I also noticed that voltage settings differed between the two programs.

I also noticed that it was 0.25v difference (with the core anyway) as my XL can do 750 on default volts.

There isn't actually any varation. What it reads in OC tool is very close to actual voltage going through the card. Using a DMM, theres a .025V difference, OC tool reads higher then actual voltage.

Mekrel
11-20-2005, 09:36 PM
So which tool is more accurate? ATi Tool?

deathman20
11-20-2005, 09:37 PM
So which tool is more accurate? ATi Tool?

Yes its more accurate, basically dead on with voltages unless your picky about a hundredth of a thousandth of a volt.

Mekrel
11-20-2005, 09:39 PM
Nah, im not that picky :) , just glad to have a tool which can overclock my XL and apply it at startup. The other overclock tool is pretty basic.

KrisMCool
11-20-2005, 11:33 PM
I uninstalled the 0.24. Installed the 0.25 Beta 9 but it doesn't start!

Nothing happens when I click the atitool.exe !




My system spec:

AMD 3200+ s.754
X800 PRO (non vivo)
MOTHERBOARD: GIGABYTE K8NSNXP
WINDOWS XP 64-BIT

Same here, with similar system. 0.25b9 installs like previous versions, but won't start. Uninstalled (even removed all traces in registry, manually removed driver from Device Manager [uninstaller never removes it], manually removed driver from Win/Sys32/drivers [uninstaller never removes it]) / reinstalled multiple times with the same results. Checked Task Manager while trying to start ATITool - CPU usage jumps to ~15%, nothing shows in Applications or Processes.

deathman20
11-21-2005, 02:14 AM
Ya I can describe it.

That OC tool thats out. Well I can set the voltages in there, it shows up on ATI tool properly (and is the actual voltages unlike OC tool shows). But if I hit apply in ATITool it reverts back to 1.8V on the mem settings. This has been checked with a DMM also, so it does set them back.

Ok either I was reading it wrong or something but it seems to work now. Hmmm im very confused.

deathman20
11-21-2005, 02:20 AM
Oh another intresting fact that I've ran across. OC and ATI Tool I can't clock at the same frequencey with the voltage settings. I'm wondering what programs right now. Mainly looking at ram speeds compared to core.

Edit: Here is an example

OC
627.5/747
1.25V/1.95/1.95

Works fine in games and has past 3DMark 03 and 05 tests serveral times
ATITool reads voltages as 1.225/1.938/1.938.
DMM Voltages 1.213/1.938/1.938

Doing a restart now to eliminate test varables

ATITool
625/650 is the higest I can go with out it crashing at least on the memory. 655 crashes the computer.

Now this is the same voltages OC got but can't achieve, let alone its the exact same voltages. Hmmmm

gman215
11-21-2005, 02:30 AM
beta 9 also cant dump bios on my sapphire x1800xl

my default vgpu is 1.075 at stock speed is this correct?
seem lower 0.025v from overclocker tool:confused:

hopefully you will fix artifact scanning soon on x1000 series

deathman20
11-21-2005, 02:46 AM
Ummm discovery... big one

OC tool
625/750 3D Mark 05 8710

ATItool
625/650 3D Mark 05 9083!!!!

slyder314
11-21-2005, 04:04 AM
Thank's for this new Beta W1zzard!!!But i have some problem with it.. :( .When i start ATITOOL 0.25 Beta 9,everything seems to be ok but when i try to find max core or max mem,some artifact are detect and my card is Underclock... I can run this card easy at 600/675(i never try higher,but this card seem to have a very good potentiel) with Ati Overclocking TOOL.If you want some other info about this minor issue,ask me and i try to help you the best i can....Continue your good work!!!...My Card is an X1800XL BBA.....

konfuzd
11-21-2005, 04:11 AM
So far, the only major problem I've found is this beta doesn't keep track of the voltages very well. It randomly forgets them and in many cases, this has prevented me from booting into windows.

The only other problem I've found is the artifact detection feature is a little buggy. It doesn't seem to be able to pick up artefacts the best while it's increasing the speed of either the core or memory.

Manually increasing the speed and voltage of my x1800xl, I've gotten to 630 core 603 mem. I haven't maxed it out yet either.

gman215
11-21-2005, 04:15 AM
i'm scanning artifacts in windows at 500/620
weird with oc tool i can overclock this card stable at 500/750

deathman20
11-21-2005, 04:17 AM
The artifact detector isn't 100% working yet guys.

slyder314
11-21-2005, 04:24 AM
I know....but W1zzard fix this problem very soon...it's the best!!! :respect:

I'm testing this Bêta version with my X850XT PE and all is ok and run like a charm...like the other version official and Bêta.

Crucis
11-21-2005, 04:26 AM
Hmm (strangely)? the latest version of mcafee detected a sdbot.worm.gen.bj worm inside atitool.exe beta 9. Doesnt happen with beta 8 though. Someone might want to look into it.

oggy
11-21-2005, 05:03 AM
may i ask what adaptive aa is?

danstar25
11-21-2005, 05:25 AM
I shall also chime in and say a hardy thanks to wizzard on the work he is doing on the ati tool.
Question/Issue: I have aBBA X1800XT and upon loading ati tool it detected my 2d settings and placed them at default. 594/693 of course they should be 625/750??? Sound like an issue with the card, ccc or is there a setting in ati tool I need to change?
thanks for your time

mR Yellow
11-21-2005, 06:12 AM
I can't believe i missed this release!

Thanx wizzard!!! :rockout:

Hmm (strangely)? the latest version of mcafee detected a sdbot.worm.gen.bj worm inside atitool.exe beta 9. Doesnt happen with beta 8 though. Someone might want to look into it.

This is normal, don't worry. Its Wizzards copy protection so ppl don't steel his code.

Know issues. Artifact sacnning doesn't work on x1x00 series. Wizzard has mentioned this in his release notes.

W1zzard
11-21-2005, 07:05 AM
Ummm discovery... big one

OC tool
625/750 3D Mark 05 8710

ATItool
625/650 3D Mark 05 9083!!!!

that's because the stupid ati overclocker relaxes memory timings BIG TIME when you change them .. atitool doesnt do that -> more performance at lower clocks

W1zzard
11-21-2005, 07:06 AM
Hmm (strangely)? the latest version of mcafee detected a sdbot.worm.gen.bj worm inside atitool.exe beta 9. Doesnt happen with beta 8 though. Someone might want to look into it.

ugh .. i'm using a new protection package which mcafee doesnt seem to like .. whats the exact antivirus product name and version you are using so i can fix that it no longer is detected...

i guarantee that the file is virus/trojan-free .. no matter what some antivirus programs claim

Super XP
11-21-2005, 09:49 AM
that's because the stupid ati overclocker relaxes memory timings BIG TIME when you change them .. atitool doesnt do that -> more performance at lower clocks


Wizzard, that is great to know. I always use ATI Tool.

Thanks.

W1zzard
11-21-2005, 10:47 AM
the mcafee issue should be fixed in the next build

Crucis
11-21-2005, 10:48 AM
Yeah i'm not worrying; i've been using ati tool for a year now lol. Anyway, wizard, the antivirus name and version is Mcafee Antivirus 10.0 (2006), Build 10.0.27, engine version 4400, dat version 4632. Hope that helps :D

Also, thanks for the great program :)

deathman20
11-21-2005, 10:57 AM
that's because the stupid ati overclocker relaxes memory timings BIG TIME when you change them .. atitool doesnt do that -> more performance at lower clocks

Thats what I thought, and thats some hell of a relaxed timings to get that speed, because I remember I could get nearly 850.

Apple740
11-21-2005, 11:14 AM
Got some weird results. Normally, my X1800XT easily reaches the max CCC OC (690/800) and is perfectly stable/arti free 24/7. But with this Ati tool even the slightest OC (625>645) results in a messed up yellow 3D view screen + a lock-up.

ken1307
11-21-2005, 12:07 PM
Got some wierd result too :| my Connect3D X1800XT can do 700/820 without any problems (using the OC tool) but can't overclock a single mhz with ATiTools , anything over stock would results in black/blocky screen ==> have to restart !!!

W1zzard
11-21-2005, 01:12 PM
could anybody else measure displayed core voltage vs. real core voltage?
seems that atitool is reading 0.01V too high

gman215
11-21-2005, 01:34 PM
Got some wierd result too :| my Connect3D X1800XT can do 700/820 without any problems (using the OC tool) but can't overclock a single mhz with ATiTools , anything over stock would results in black/blocky screen ==> have to restart !!!

mine got white horizontal lines in the screen when clocking more than 621 memory (x1800xl)
same problem but at least i can up the mem clock to 620 from 500 dont know if it is bug or not

R350np
11-21-2005, 03:21 PM
I get some warnings from AntiVir:

C:\PROGRAMME\ATITOOL\ATITOOL.EXE

Enthält einen ungewöhnlichen Laufzeitpacker (PCK/Morphine). Bitte verifizieren Sie den Ursprung dieser Datei.

W1zzard
11-21-2005, 04:04 PM
I get some warnings from AntiVir:

C:\PROGRAMME\ATITOOL\ATITOOL.EXE

Enthält einen ungewöhnlichen Laufzeitpacker (PCK/Morphine). Bitte verifizieren Sie den Ursprung dieser Datei.

which antivirus program is that this time?

R350np
11-21-2005, 04:21 PM
AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic

Programm: 6.32.0.51
Such-Engine: 6.32.0.57
VDF-Datei: 6.32.18.26
AVRep.dll: 6.32.0.202

threader
11-21-2005, 04:43 PM
I installed 0.25 Beta 9 on WinXP Pro X64 (with all latest patches) for my X1800 XL Sapphire OEM on 5.11 drv.

During installation in the last message box if I check box run AtiTool then it will run.

If I close ATItool and try to restart it then it will never run/start again from from the exe.

Re-booting does not help.

My temporary solution until the next version is to uninstall, reinstall and run from last installation message window check box. Then while in Atitool Program then select to run program on windows start up from registry.

It starts and runs fine from the tray on boot.

for the rest of it I have pretty much the same of the issues already discussed which W1zzard is working on.

BTW I love you W1zzard :toast: Thanks a bunch.

Cpuroast
11-21-2005, 05:56 PM
Hi,
I just installed 0.25b9, had b8 before.

Temperature monitoring isn't working anymore. In fact the Temperature pane is gone from Settings. It was fine in 0.25b8.

Windows XP Pro 32bit
Nvidia Quadro FX 1400
Forceware 81.94

Thanks

Mize
11-21-2005, 07:23 PM
I try to install but MacAfee Anti-virus keeps deleting it - saying it's infected with W32/Sdbot.worm.gen.bj ...???

[Edit: read the whole thread and see I'm not the only one. For reference I'm running McAfee VirusScan Version 10.0 Build 10.0.27 with DAT Version 4632 from 11/18/2005)

Ombracol
11-21-2005, 07:29 PM
Wizzard,

I noticed that in your beta releases it never saves my mem times to my profile ....it saves mem times but I have to manually load it in the mem time window but whe I use 0.24 the mem times load with my profile just wanted to let you know and thanks for your hard work

ahmad
11-21-2005, 07:36 PM
Can you explain this W1zzard?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1147323#post1147323

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1148274#post1148274

Also, great job on the tool.

The only thing I need now is for it to set the voltages at startup... If I just let it load profile at start up with my OC it locks up the computer. If I use the ATI OC tool and up core and memory voltage, then run ATITool it works fine.

ErrorS
11-21-2005, 10:18 PM
I also get the lower OCz with ATi Tool.. odd, but also with the core. I use to run 650something in The Overclocking tool and my scores increased to reflect those speeds, however, even at 600 in ati tool my system locks up. I can't figure this one out?

in ati overclocking tool, for SOME reason I could not OC that high in 2D speeds but setting it for 3D worked fine and my scores were fine.. I don't understand? In ATi tool it's acting like the overclocking tool would.

edit: and just now I set my memory to 600 in ATi Tool and the screen corrupted, vpu recover saved me.. however, I set it to 580 and it was fine, the automated overclocking has me at 630 right now?

like I said, it's acting like the overclocking tool did when I tried to overclock for 2D, it was fine for 3D. I wonder wy this is? something in the drivers trying to change things? Timings being changed on the card?

edit2: Oddly enough ATi Tool doesn't do for my score what you guys are saying it does for yours. 650/800 I get a 9200 (give or take) on my system, ATi Tool's max (not artifacting but when VPU Recover fixes it OR system locks up) is 7988.. I don't get it?

Anyways, I'm having too much damn trouble with this card.. it's slowly becomming a headache. For some ODD reason I could OC higher with 5.10a's than I can with the 5.11s (I reinstalled 5.10a's to test it), a good deal higher.. I'd go back to them but the 5.11s fix too many problems.

There is something screwy about this card with overclocking..

Super XP
11-21-2005, 11:20 PM
The new Beta 9 instals with no probelms in Windows XP Pro 64-Bit edition, and you can use it with no problems, "BUT" I finally restarted my PC & noticed that the ATI Tool does not start up, so when I click it to start it just does nothing. It won't load up for some reason.

So, I uninstall it & re-instal it & it works great. But I cannot re-start my PC or it won't work. I thought this may help you in perfecting the new release.

Thanks again Wizzard for an amazing product. I think you should work for ATI.
Take Care,

Heeby1
11-22-2005, 12:35 AM
I am having trouble with McAfee Viruscan version 10 (as part of McAfee Internet Security 6) too. It recognises ATITool as a worm, as stated previously.

Just letting you know :).

Thanks for all the hard work man.

slyder314
11-22-2005, 12:41 AM
Nice New's For the Bêta 10 W1ZZARD!!!I can't wait to test it,to see if my underclock problem is resolve...

W1zzard
11-22-2005, 01:22 AM
Wizzard,

I noticed that in your beta releases it never saves my mem times to my profile ....it saves mem times but I have to manually load it in the mem time window but whe I use 0.24 the mem times load with my profile just wanted to let you know and thanks for your hard work

try deleting your profiles.ini and recreating the profile .. maybe something got bugged during the update .. i tried memory timings and it works here

arnoldo
11-22-2005, 05:50 AM
First...I would like to thank W1zzard who has put a lot of effort to provide us a great OC tool for our Radeon card. I've been using ATI Tool for quite some time and really satisfy with the result of AtiTool 0.24. And now...I decide to test the Beta 0.25. :D

I downloaded both beta 8 and 9 for testing. I noted my 0.24 profile and use it for the result comparison with the beta's. Unsinstall AtiTool 0.24 with regular procedure followed by uninstalling all traces (driver, services, registry, and profiles) then installed beta 8 and everyting ran smoothly with no problems. OC and temps still the same with 0.24 I had. No performance decrease.

Did the same uninstalling routine as I uninstalled 0.24 for beta 8 then I installed beta 9. Unfortunately, the program cannot run. Tried to uninstall beta 9 and reinstall it again with no progress so I quit trying after 4 attempts and re-install beta-8. Any suggestion how to fix this situation? The problem could come from my side as I nottice that many people can run beta 9.

mR Yellow
11-22-2005, 07:50 AM
Hey W1zzard, Thanx again for the new beta9.

Could u plz add a option to save voltage to profile. We badly need this.
Thanx.

Edit* Jut saw this post about Implemented changes for beta10. Any ETA?
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=6640

W1zzard
11-22-2005, 07:56 AM
could any of you people who cant start atitool contact me on instant messenger please?

any chance you guys have viruses or trojans on your system?

mR Yellow
11-22-2005, 08:11 AM
could any of you people who cant start atitool contact me on instant messenger please?

any chance you guys have viruses or trojans on your system?

Wizzard, i know why they can't start ATiTool! Same thing happened to me.
The antivirus software removes a file while installing. Looks like it install properly but doesn't. All they need to do is disable autoprotection when installing.
This should fix there problems.

Hope this helps.

hicookie
11-22-2005, 08:14 AM
Just install new beta9 with my new X1300 PRO, but i donot think , beta9 will tweak my x1300. i found it's dissable to adjust x1300 memories tweaker.

and i ajust the core to 675 from default(600), then 3dmark05 just improve 60 point.

Does anyone could tell me new beta9 support X1300 or not?

memory: disable
core:useless

hope someone could solve my problem

arnoldo
11-22-2005, 08:26 AM
could any of you people who cant start atitool contact me on instant messenger please?

any chance you guys have viruses or trojans on your system?

Hmmm...that could be the problem....

This is what I'm gonna do:

1st alternative: Disconnect from internet and disable autoprotection during AtiTool installation. (mR yellow suggestion)
2nd alternative: I'll try to reformat my system and do basic installation to run AtiTool 0.25 beta 9.

I'll inform you the result. I'm afraid that I couldn't get in touch with you directly by messenger due to time differences.

mR Yellow
11-22-2005, 08:33 AM
Hmmm...that could be the problem....

This is what I'm gonna do:

1st alternative: Disconnect from internet and disable autoprotection during AtiTool installation. (mR yellow suggestion)
2nd alternative: I'll try to reformat my system and do basic installation to run AtiTool 0.25 beta 9.

I'll inform you the result. I'm afraid that I couldn't get in touch with you directly by messenger due to time differences.

It should work ;)

hicookie
11-22-2005, 08:34 AM
Hmmm...that could be the problem....

This is what I'm gonna do:

1st alternative: Disconnect from internet and disable autoprotection during AtiTool installation. (mR yellow suggestion)
2nd alternative: I'll try to reformat my system and do basic installation to run AtiTool 0.25 beta 9.

I'll inform you the result. I'm afraid that I couldn't get in touch with you directly by messenger due to time differences.


Thanks ,arnoldo
i would like to try .

ViperJohn
11-22-2005, 09:01 AM
Ummm discovery... big one

OC tool
625/750 3D Mark 05 8710

ATItool
625/650 3D Mark 05 9083!!!!

Same thing here with an x1800XL.

729/855 with ATI OverClocker set clocks = 10,184 in 3DM05

729/729 with ATItool set clocks = 10,362 in 3DM05

Viper

Mize
11-22-2005, 10:47 AM
I have no worms - new installation. I can disable MacAfee and install and run but as soon as I activate MacAfee again it deletes ATI Tool :(

Super XP
11-22-2005, 11:01 AM
O.K Wizzard, I did more testing with the new 0.25 Beta 9 in Win 32 & 64.

I ran it in Win 32-Bit & had no problems at all. :)
Now it installs great in Win 64-Bit, but when you turn it off or restart your PC, it does not load or turn on anymore. And therefore you need to uninstall it & re-install it again, & go through the same procedure.

The 0.25 Beta 7 though worked great in Windows XP Pro 64-Bit Edition, so it's something wrong between the 0.25 Beta 7 to the new Beta 9.

Take Care,

REVHEAD
11-22-2005, 11:18 AM
I have a X800 pro with Catylist 5.11 and have tried previous Beta builds and when I run them I can not get AI to work its greyed out,and the new build Adaptive Antialiasing is greyed out allso.

I know Adaptive AA is not supported for my card but I am shure there is a way you can unlock this feature? I know with the Warcats Catylist drivers unlock Adaptive AA

I am back to running Version 0.24 because this is the only version that works for me with AI option intact,I hope this issue can be fixed so I can run newer builds and not have to run CCC to enable AI

arnoldo
11-22-2005, 01:52 PM
W1zzard, beta 9 running well now. Thanks to you and mR yellow for the clues. The issue from my side was not virus, worm, or trojan. There's some sort of wrong attributes on my HD and after running CHKDSK, ATITool 0.25 beta 9 runs ok. I haven't done further test, though. I will do further test tomorrow.

Diverge
11-22-2005, 02:51 PM
i ran into some issues that required me to remove/reinstall: i tried to run the Find Max Mem option, and it just started to clock down from the default 495mhz of my oem sapphire card. after a while of watching it clock down my memory, i hit the Abort button, followed by the Default button - which crashed my pc. Upon reboot, it wouldn't interact with my videocard anymore, saying it wasn't supported or something like that. i removed/reinstalled it and all was good.

Is it normal for Find Max Mem to clock down?

CrazyOtter
11-22-2005, 03:58 PM
Great Tool, thanks again.

Very interesting about those memory timings:

For me it has raised some strange questions about the two tools we now can use:
Upon installing ATI Tool, I immediately set my X1800XL (with stock cooler) to 600/700, and it gave me onscreen corruption!
600/675 then also locked during 3Dmark!!
With the Overclocker utility I could run 3Dmark at 600/700 with a score of about 8700.

So deciding ATI Tool must still have a bug in it, I ran some benchmarks anyway.
Look and be amazed:

Overclocker 625/666 = 8663
Overclocker 607/702 = 8715

ATI TOOL 602/603 = 8728
ATI TOOL 604/634 = 8922
ATI TOOL 610/648 = 9072

Reading through this thread again, I now saw W1zzard's comment about memory timings.

ITM
11-22-2005, 05:45 PM
I had the last stable version (0.24) and this one won't run... It just crashes at launch :/
I have a Powercolor X800XT and Catalyst 5.10 drivers on a safe XP SP2 install...
I noticed several people have the same problem on their X800 cards...
Edit : 0.25 beta 8 seems to work fine !

CrazyOtter
11-22-2005, 08:04 PM
Is it me, or does this version of ATI Tool seem to work better for XL's than for XT's ?
For example I don't have the 2D/3D option in the Overclocker util...wonder if this is another a difference between XL and XT?

ViperJohn
11-22-2005, 11:19 PM
Is it me, or does this version of ATI Tool seem to work better for XL's than for XT's ?
For example I don't have the 2D/3D option in the Overclocker util...wonder if this is another a difference between XL and XT?

Same here with my XL...no separate 2D/3D clocks. I do know for fact the OverClocker
will set separate 2D/3D clocks for XT's.

Viper

arnoldo
11-23-2005, 01:47 AM
W1zzard, did you change the memory timings in beta 9? I tried find Max and Mem. The card was stable at 410 core and 512 mem. With beta 9, I am able to run at 412 and 515....did the benchmark on 3dMark 05 and the result was:

GeCube X800 XL 512 Mb GDDR3 with ATITool 0.24: 4818
GeCube X800 XL 512 Mb GDDR3 with ATITool 0.25: 5125 :toast:

I hadn't make a comparison of memory timing between beta 9 and the stable released 0.24 as I didn't record the 0.24 memory timing. I will do the comparison tonight once I'm home from work.

Cheers

mR Yellow
11-23-2005, 04:38 AM
W1zzard, beta 9 running well now. Thanks to you and mR yellow for the clues. The issue from my side was not virus, worm, or trojan. There's some sort of wrong attributes on my HD and after running CHKDSK, ATITool 0.25 beta 9 runs ok. I haven't done further test, though. I will do further test tomorrow.

Im glad i could help...anything beats a reformat!

i ran into some issues that required me to remove/reinstall: i tried to run the Find Max Mem option, and it just started to clock down from the default 495mhz of my oem sapphire card. after a while of watching it clock down my memory, i hit the Abort button, followed by the Default button - which crashed my pc. Upon reboot, it wouldn't interact with my videocard anymore, saying it wasn't supported or something like that. i removed/reinstalled it and all was good.

Is it normal for Find Max Mem to clock down?

Find max mem doesn't work properly on 1800, ATiTool is giving Artifact errors when there aren't any...so it will clock down...

I had the last stable version (0.24) and this one won't run... It just crashes at launch :/
I have a Powercolor X800XT and Catalyst 5.10 drivers on a safe XP SP2 install...
I noticed several people have the same problem on their X800 cards...
Edit : 0.25 beta 8 seems to work fine !

Make sure u disable virus software while installing!

ITM
11-23-2005, 07:11 AM
I don't have one :/
I installed 0.25b8, it works fine...

atomicpineapple
11-23-2005, 12:23 PM
Just installed ATITool 0.25 Beta 9. Im using a Powercolor X1800XT 512MB. Changing memory voltage in ATITool to any value resets them to 1.8 volts (checked with the Overclocker tool from driverheaven, dont have a multimeter to test properly). Core voltage and frequency adjustments work fine although it only changes the 2D clocks, not 3D. W1zzard, I noticed earlier in this thread you asked someone (nunyabiz?) for a BIOS dump to help with this problem, if you want one from my card please provide a utility and instructions and I'll be happy to help!

nunyabiz
11-23-2005, 12:32 PM
Just installed ATITool 0.25 Beta 9. Im using a Powercolor X1800XT 512MB. Changing memory voltage in ATITool to any value resets them to 1.8 volts (checked with the Overclocker tool from driverheaven, dont have a multimeter to test properly). Core voltage and frequency adjustments work fine although it only changes the 2D clocks, not 3D. W1zzard, I noticed earlier in this thread you asked someone (nunyabiz?) for a BIOS dump to help with this problem, if you want one from my card please provide a utility and instructions and I'll be happy to help!

I was not able to get the bios dump. The program said it does not recognize my card.

W1zzard
11-23-2005, 01:03 PM
to get the bios out of the x1000 series you have to use the winflash from our downloads database

deathman20
11-23-2005, 02:01 PM
Just installed ATITool 0.25 Beta 9. Im using a Powercolor X1800XT 512MB. Changing memory voltage in ATITool to any value resets them to 1.8 volts (checked with the Overclocker tool from driverheaven, dont have a multimeter to test properly). Core voltage and frequency adjustments work fine although it only changes the 2D clocks, not 3D. W1zzard, I noticed earlier in this thread you asked someone (nunyabiz?) for a BIOS dump to help with this problem, if you want one from my card please provide a utility and instructions and I'll be happy to help!

Do not use the Overclocker tool from driverhaven. It messes up the voltages using that to look at it. Overclocker just doesn't reconize ATITools voltage changes which makes it read 1.8v. ATITools memory voltages work, just don't open OC otherwise that will mess up the voltage, sometimes it happens when you open the program or it happens when you change the memory voltage. Best advice stay away from it :)

ViperJohn
11-23-2005, 03:42 PM
to get the bios out of the x1000 series you have to use the winflash from our downloads database

You can use the latest ATIflash as well.

W1zzard I just emailed you and 1800XT bios BTW.

Viper

ViperJohn
11-23-2005, 03:45 PM
Just installed ATITool 0.25 Beta 9. Im using a Powercolor X1800XT 512MB. Changing memory voltage in ATITool to any value resets them to 1.8 volts (checked with the Overclocker tool from driverheaven, dont have a multimeter to test properly). Core voltage and frequency adjustments work fine although it only changes the 2D clocks, not 3D. W1zzard, I noticed earlier in this thread you asked someone (nunyabiz?) for a BIOS dump to help with this problem, if you want one from my card please provide a utility and instructions and I'll be happy to help!

Meter the voltage on card. ATI's OverClocker is not a DVM lol.

Viper

atomicpineapple
11-23-2005, 04:49 PM
ViperJohn, I said above I dont have a DMM to measure the card with so I'm afraid I can only go on what software tells me!

Diverge
11-23-2005, 05:47 PM
Find max mem doesn't work properly on 1800, ATiTool is giving Artifact errors when there aren't any...so it will clock down...

Thanks for the reply :) i wasn't sure if it was a program bug, or my card was acting weird, but thanks for the info.

ViperJohn
11-23-2005, 06:18 PM
ViperJohn, I said above I dont have a DMM to measure the card with so I'm afraid I can only go on what software tells me!

Then do not use OverClocker.exe as it does not meter the voltage at all.

Viper

Solaris17
11-23-2005, 07:02 PM
i just whanted to jump in here for a second and say hi to viperjohn...your my hero....:o

nunyabiz
11-23-2005, 08:11 PM
to get the bios out of the x1000 series you have to use the winflash from our downloads database

When i run it it says card not recognized. Could you give a quick tutorial for me? or point me to learn how to use it?

atomicpineapple
11-23-2005, 08:23 PM
Nunyabiz, use the latest ATIFlash, also available form the download section, worked for me! Just boot into DOS and run the program, it'll give you a list of commands to use with it.

nunyabiz
11-23-2005, 10:28 PM
Nunyabiz, use the latest ATIFlash, also available form the download section, worked for me! Just boot into DOS and run the program, it'll give you a list of commands to use with it.

Adapter not found. Anyone with an XT get a bios? If you do please send to w1zzard....:confused:

atomicpineapple
11-23-2005, 10:36 PM
Weird, worked with mine, sent it off to W1zzard. If you want another go, boot off ur floppy into DOS again and type atiflash.exe -i, this will give you your device number then atiflash.exe <device number> <filename you want BIOS to be saved as>, oh and you are using version 3.09 right?

nunyabiz
11-23-2005, 11:37 PM
Weird, worked with mine, sent it off to W1zzard. If you want another go, boot off ur floppy into DOS again and type atiflash.exe -i, this will give you your device number then atiflash.exe <device number> <filename you want BIOS to be saved as>, oh and you are using version 3.09 right?

Yes version 3.09.

Super XP
11-23-2005, 11:37 PM
I re-installed my nForce & ATI Cat drivers with the newest ones on my Windows XP Pro 64-Bit Edition, but still when I instal ATI Tool 0.25 Beta 9, it works fine, but when I close it or restart my PC, it does not start anymore. It does nothing for some reason.

All other Beta versions of 0.25 work great though in 64-Bit.
Windows XP Pro 32-Bit works fine too.

Thanks in advance:)

ViperJohn
11-24-2005, 12:10 AM
Adapter not found. Anyone with an XT get a bios? If you do please send to w1zzard....:confused:

I sent him an XT bios yesterday.

Viper

Poisonsnak
11-24-2005, 01:55 AM
Hopefully this hasn't been mentioned, I searched the thread for "step" and it did not come up. Anyway, I just installed and ran it on my X850XT-PE and went to the overclocking tab to find:

Lock Reference Divider (Currently at: 4)
minimum step = -21474836.48 MHz

Seems minor but I thought I would bring it up. My card defaults are 540/590 and ATITool reports 540/587.25.

Screenshot: http://img.techpowerup.org/051123/zebu.jpg

Punisher!
11-24-2005, 05:44 AM
Wizzard... is it normal "GPU Temperature" is lower than "Temperature of temp. chip"?!?

http://m4tribes.m4d.it/puni/ATIToolB9_1.jpg

Asus V9999GE (NVIDIA 6800). I think they are inverted because "Smartdoctor" shows "GPU Temperature" = ATI Tool "Temperature of temp. chip".

Spider
11-24-2005, 02:22 PM
In my case there is a problem with Artifact scanning. Previous versions seemed to work better but they also didn't detect artifacts properly. In beta 9 no artifacts are detected until core clock about 380MHz when the whole "3d window" is an artifact and windows crashes :).

I have Nvidia Leadtek GF 6800 128mb DDR (AGP).

O, and one more thing. Temperature measurement also doesn't work now.

jasch
11-24-2005, 03:35 PM
@all with win64
had the same problem with after restart, it wont work, my solution wass really simple,if i start the exe direct(out of totalcommander) its works, if i klick on the desktoplink it is not working :twitch: (autostart works over regestry key)

@Wizzard if someone tell me where to mesure V GPU und Vmem , ich have a Fluke multimeter i can make it for you

ErrorS
11-24-2005, 11:11 PM
wtf, now it's showing artifacts at stock.. i think I'll just wait for beta10.. I thought ATiTool was making it so my core wouldn't OC but now I know it's the artifact tester not doing things right.

edit: I hope I don't sound mean or anything.. I appreciate your work Wizzard and ATi Tool is great

ViperJohn
11-24-2005, 11:27 PM
wtf, now it's showing artifacts at stock.. i think I'll just wait for beta10.. I thought ATiTool was making it so my core wouldn't OC but now I know it's the artifact tester not doing things right.

edit: I hope I don't sound mean or anything.. I appreciate your work Wizzard and ATi Tool is great

Gees guys how many times does it have to be said??? Artifact scanning DOES NOT WORK CORRECTLY with the x1800's yet. That is what "Beta" is all about.

Viper

PSION
11-24-2005, 11:35 PM
I installed ati tool beta 9, and i get that microsoft error thing whenever i try to run it. I have an ATI X800XL,Windows Server 2003 EE Service Pack 1, ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe,Athlon 64,2x512MB DDR400

ATITOOL ERROR:
La instrucción en"0x000a480a" hace referencia a la memoria en "0x000a480a".La memoria no se puede "read"

ErrorS
11-24-2005, 11:35 PM
Gees guys how many times does it have to be said??? Artifact scanning DOES NOT WORK CORRECTLY with the x1800's yet. That is what "Beta" is all about.

Viper

OMG, REALLY? Maybe that's why I said " i think I'll just wait for beta10" ?

edit: So I don't confuse you any more.. Earlier I posted that I was having trouble overclocking with ATi Tool, my core would top out at insanely low speeds..

zPacKRat
11-25-2005, 03:29 AM
I downloaded ATITool from Guru3d, the top Europe site listed, installed it on a NEW BUILD and this is what McAfee found
http://www.ncicomputer.com/images/atitoolvirus.jpg
While I don't know if this is valid it needs to be known.:banghead:

Just tried installing from the file downloaded from here and got the same thing.

ViperJohn
11-25-2005, 04:07 AM
OMG, REALLY? Maybe that's why I said " i think I'll just wait for beta10" ?

edit: So I don't confuse you any more.. Earlier I posted that I was having trouble overclocking with ATi Tool, my core would top out at insanely low speeds..

You didn't confuse me at all as you where quite clear with the opening line of "wtf, now it's showing artifacts at stock. Like "duh" lol.

Viper

ErrorS
11-25-2005, 12:37 PM
You didn't confuse me at all as you where quite clear with the opening line of "wtf, now it's showing artifacts at stock. Like "duh" lol.

Viper
it hadn't shown artifacts at stock before, I was surprised.. so sue me :D

mR Yellow
11-25-2005, 12:52 PM
Guys relax....:shadedshu

EastCoasthandle
11-25-2005, 03:32 PM
Is it possible to setup ATI Tool to increase the Ramdac from 400MHz to lets say 450?

pierrick30
11-25-2005, 05:03 PM
dude this is exactly the point of overclocking....

Spider
11-25-2005, 05:49 PM
dude this is exactly the point of overclocking....

Ramdac isn't dram clock and atitool can't change it. I don't know if it is possible to change ramdac frequency... BTW RAMDAC=random access memory digital-to-analog converter so "overclocking" it woludn't make any performance change.

W1zzard
11-26-2005, 08:25 AM
why would you want to increase your ramdac bandwith? 400 mhz is already plenty .. you do know what the ramdac is for? :rolleyes:

Lemonzest
11-26-2005, 08:32 PM
@zebu, same problem here on a x800pro VIVO @XT

dceremuga
11-27-2005, 12:32 AM
I am also having problems with this version of ATI-Tool.

ugp
11-27-2005, 02:16 AM
Look forward to using this once i recieve my x1800XT on Monday. I can not wait!

M Diddy
11-27-2005, 04:20 AM
So does this Beta work with X1800 series??? I see other posting that it works but it doesn't on y XL... When I run the Auto scan's, the sliders start dropping immdiatly and then the card crashes.....

slyder314
11-27-2005, 04:35 AM
For the second time,the artifact scanning dont work on X1K Serie,and it's normal to see the slider go down....I dont know if i's clear because my english is very poor(im from Quebec and i speak french)..but i give you this answer for the second time... :)

M Diddy
11-27-2005, 04:43 AM
Opps! I saw that but didn't know that was causing the slider to go down... Sorry bout that!

slyder314
11-27-2005, 04:43 AM
You can try to clock your card manualy without testing with the artifact detector...I recommand you ATITOOL even if the the Artifact scanning dont work,because the tool Overclocker form ATI relax the memory timings and the result is a drop in performance.In resume,ATITOOL work well with X1K Serie's except for Artifact Detector...

M Diddy
11-27-2005, 04:45 AM
I'm having an issue with my x1800Xl though. If I turn up the memory speed to anthing over 500MHZ, I get a blue screen and need a reboot. What would cause something like that???

slyder314
11-27-2005, 04:54 AM
Do tou try to slithly up de memory voltage when you up the memory frequency?It's very strange to see this issue immediatly when you pass 500mhz.Maybe a power-supply issue(im very suprised if is that)or simply a bad chip on your card.At stock frequency,you never have a problem?

M Diddy
11-27-2005, 05:04 AM
I have a 500W Thermaltake TR-2 PS, so I don't think it's the PS... I have the 6 pin PCI-E connector from the PS plugged into the card. I did also try upping the voltages for the memory in the ATI tool but still, as soon as I hit 500 MHZ, I get the blue screen. Card does fine at stock speeds as well...

slyder314
11-27-2005, 05:12 AM
You have the same result(blue screen) when you pass memory frequency over 500mhz with the Ati Overclocking Tool(Overclocker)?

Flashnc
11-27-2005, 04:00 PM
ok im going to give this a shot......

has anyone tried to flash the xt bios to the xl yet????

mostly curious.

dont know if i would even attempt this as my xl wont do over 580/625.which is a decent oc so im not complaining..(well actually just a little ;)
with only moderate voltage increase 1.15......1.20.....1.20 ( i think,i cant get atitool to show the full screen...it overlaps on the right side approx 1/5th of the screen,so i only go till i see the voltage change to the next value...anyone else have this problem?)

and what has others seen as a safe voltage to go up too??


my luck with vid cards has always been to fall just a little short of the "mean" avg that others can oc too....

Flash

ViperJohn
11-27-2005, 05:05 PM
ok im going to give this a shot......

has anyone tried to flash the xt bios to the xl yet????

mostly curious.

dont know if i would even attempt this as my xl wont do over 580/625.which is a decent oc so im not complaining..(well actually just a little ;)
with only moderate voltage increase 1.15......1.20.....1.20 ( i think,i cant get atitool to show the full screen...it overlaps on the right side approx 1/5th of the screen,so i only go till i see the voltage change to the next value...anyone else have this problem?)

and what has others seen as a safe voltage to go up too??


my luck with vid cards has always been to fall just a little short of the "mean" avg that others can oc too....

Flash


You will probably end up with a blank screen after the flash and there is absolutely no reason to try it anyway. Just use ATItool to up the voltages and clocks on your XL.

My XL is knocking on the door of 10,400 in 3DM05 with ViperMagnum-II air cooling.

Viper

M Diddy
11-27-2005, 05:30 PM
You have the same result(blue screen) when you pass memory frequency over 500mhz with the Ati Overclocking Tool(Overclocker)?


Yup! Same problem. As soon as I hit 500, blue screen...

Flashnc
11-27-2005, 06:10 PM
as i thought ViperJohn....
i just tried running the voltages on up a bit just before i read the reply.

figured what the hell...ill just go to 1.2 2.1 2.1 <(edit) tried it (core) 580 590 600 mem 600 625 650...so far so good @ 595/645 ran 3Dmark05 was @ 8800 something....im just letting it kinda burn in now @ 607/652 and ill try to run 05 again.

ViperJohn...im willing to push the voltages a bit beyond the normal "safe" area, so what have you found to be below the "too Far" zone...? )

im on water hitting about 47-49 max ( running Gpu in a loop with my Cpu).

i saw 35.5 amps drops to about 13.6 no load with a max temp ( on the 4 temps shown...the top one ) ....of 71 c i think it was in atitool.

thanx Flash

Flashnc
11-27-2005, 06:53 PM
well...that was sweet!!!!! finally greased the 9000 05 mark !!!!! @ 607.50/652.50.

Flashnc
11-27-2005, 08:16 PM
ok back to the other concern...like i said, im seeing only about 3/5ths of the ATITool screen..anyone else have this problem???
ive tried redownloading etc...still remains the same.:slap:

dont know if this has anything to do with it, but im running a 19" LCD BENQ 8 ms ....but having to use the analog...DVI for some reason wont run with this card.... :banghead:

ViperJohn
11-27-2005, 09:29 PM
ok back to the other concern...like i said, im seeing only about 3/5ths of the ATITool screen..anyone else have this problem???

I noted the same thing after a 3DMark run. It still work though. You can always close and reopen ATItool if it bugs you.

Viper

Flashnc
11-27-2005, 10:34 PM
thanx for the reply....but it is like that constantly....ive never been able to get it to load with a full screen....rt side all i see is the "settings"and "mem" overlaid about 80% when i go to voltages..all i see is up to like 1.2 but nothing further rt of that, ( like 1.245 etc..so i dont know exactly what my voltages are..

ViperJohn
11-28-2005, 12:38 AM
thanx for the reply....but it is like that constantly....ive never been able to get it to load with a full screen....rt side all i see is the "settings"and "mem" overlaid about 80% when i go to voltages..all i see is up to like 1.2 but nothing further rt of that, ( like 1.245 etc..so i dont know exactly what my voltages are..

I see the full ATItool screen with I first open it.

Viper

W1zzard
11-28-2005, 07:06 AM
could you guys make a screenshot of that?

Flashnc
11-28-2005, 11:03 AM
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6620/screen059ce.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen059ce.jpg)



this is how my atitool has looked from the very first time ive used it * the beta 9"....it has never changed to a full viewing

W1zzard
11-28-2005, 02:05 PM
hmm you have a non-standard dpi setting?

Flashnc
11-28-2005, 07:39 PM
im running a 19" LCD BENQ 8ms monitor.....at default settings..( 1280x1024 @ 75hz) but im running it analog....dvi wont work for some reason with this vid card....

ive not had anything else to have this kinda problem...all other applications are fine...

EDIT: ok that was it W1zzard....i was running a DPI setting of 120 from the stock 96.....all fine now!!!! duhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

Flash

Mize
11-28-2005, 11:05 PM
Me want beta 10 :(

;)

ViperJohn
11-29-2005, 12:08 AM
Me want beta 10 :(

;)

All in due time GrassHopper.

Viper

Apple740
11-29-2005, 12:19 AM
It seems that a lot of XT owners, including me, have problems with Ati tool beta9. It doesn't work properly, or doesn't work at all for some.

Now i wonder why Macci has no problems with it. If i take a look at his desktop pic ( http://www.akiba-pc.com/r520/11801f.gif ), i see Ati tool reporting 625/750 as default speed. Actual retail cards are showing 600/700 as default in AT. Retail cards have different 2d/3d speeds. It seems Macci's card has not. Could this be the problem?

ugp
11-29-2005, 12:26 AM
Give him time to make everything good and working. I would rather wait and have something that works well then have him release something that still may have issues.

Flashnc
11-29-2005, 12:56 AM
i personally am thankful for anything w1zzard puts out for us to use weither beta or not....

i like so many other people would be absolutly lost using "other" programs to get our cards to where we are today....

and ViperJohn....gezzzzzzzzzzz man that dude is a ati wizzard too....

im 50 years old...........so yea...ive developed some patience..( "just an ol hippie tryin to adjust " ) ;)

Flash

ViperJohn
11-29-2005, 01:03 AM
i personally am thankful for anything w1zzard puts out for us to use weither beta or not....

i like so many other people would be absolutly lost using "other" programs to get our cards to where we are today....

and ViperJohn....gezzzzzzzzzzz man that dude is a ati wizzard too....

im 50 years old...........so yea...ive developed some patience..( "just an ol hippie tryin to adjust " ) ;) Flash

Damn fifty...just got a flashback to my pre-fossel youth!!! Got ya beat by 4 years lol. Your probably one of the few here that understood my "GrassHopper" comment.

Viper

Flashnc
11-29-2005, 01:37 AM
lol "grasshopper"....yes i did..... ;)

hmmmmm lets see what ya got..

"watership down"

"a childs garden of grass"

"david peel and the lower east side".........
my favorite saying is..."if you remember the 60s and the 70s ....then you werent there!!!!
;) Flash

W1zzard
11-29-2005, 07:22 AM
for next build i have to add proper screen layout at non-standard dpi settings, then it's ready for you guys ;)

Flashnc
11-29-2005, 08:48 AM
LMAO...what are you trying to say w1zzard????you gonna make a version that suits us "OL FARTS" that allows us to use bigger print so we can see??? hehehe...

mR Yellow
11-29-2005, 10:00 AM
for next build i have to add proper screen layout at non-standard dpi settings, then it's ready for you guys ;)

Cool, so the next release is near :D :rockout:
W1zzard, thanx again for the great app!

OBR
11-29-2005, 10:12 AM
Hi, i have really problem to overclock my card with this version of Atitool, if i set any frequency (for example: GPU:680, MEM: 800) atitool set to card another frequencies : GPU: 350, MEM: 450 and card`s performance is lower than default! With ati overclocker and in CCC Override i am able to change frequencies succesfully, and performance is great but with atitool nothing. Where is "my" problem?

Config: X1800XT HIS, 4000+

mR Yellow
11-29-2005, 10:15 AM
Hi, i have really problem to overclock my card with this version of Atitool, if i set any frequency (for example: GPU:680, MEM: 800) atitool set to card another frequencies : GPU: 350, MEM: 450 and card`s performance is lower than default! With ati overclocker and in CCC Override i am able to change frequencies succesfully, and performance is great but with atitool nothing. Where is "my" problem?

Config: X1800XT HIS, 4000+

Just wait for beta10. Should be available soon from the sound of things.

ITM
11-29-2005, 01:26 PM
Hope it will work with X800 series... We are a lot having *big* troubles with beta 9 :/

Spires
11-29-2005, 05:19 PM
Outside the other problems, anyone have strange behavior with the X1800XT? First off, I have the dumb 2d/3d clocks with 600/700 being my regular clocks, second, my card is hard to overclock to anything, it either crashes, reboots or runs just fine. I just cannot seem to find anything consistant.:banghead: Most of the time when I run a 3d app, the core ramps down to 475?! I get my best scores just not running any clocker at all. I can use the clocker.exe utility just fine though. The one time I did get the clocks to stick with ATItool, I grabbed an extra1000 points in 3dmark01 like everyone else does using atitool.

deathman20
11-29-2005, 05:33 PM
Mmm can't wait for beta 10, that will be great to have votlage applied at startup.

Also I saw a post a few pages back where it showed 2D and 3D settings on ATITool, how do you pull that up?

M Diddy
11-29-2005, 05:37 PM
I'm having the same issue Deathman was having the beginning of this thread. If I up the RAM speed above 655 and try to run a 3d App. it'll crash in 10 seconds. Anything below 655, say 653, and it runs just fine.

Also, I ran a pre and post 3dMark05. With my clocks at 650 and 653 RAM, I netted a score of 7895. Seems a little low, no??? Should I not be at LEAST at 8000???? I'm running the card on a Pentium D 820 OC'd to 3.44 and PC5300 OC'd to 812Mhz.... Something's fishy.....

deathman20
11-29-2005, 05:45 PM
I'm having the same issue Deathman was having the beginning of this thread. If I up the RAM speed above 655 and try to run a 3d App. it'll crash in 10 seconds. Anything below 655, say 653, and it runs just fine.

Also, I ran a pre and post 3dMark05. With my clocks at 650 and 653 RAM, I netted a score of 7895. Seems a little low, no??? Should I not be at LEAST at 8000???? I'm running the card on a Pentium D 820 OC'd to 3.44 and PC5300 OC'd to 812Mhz.... Something's fishy.....

Actually I need to apply more voltage to the ram, im not applying much voltage (only 1.95V currently) I'm sure I can go higher I just need to test it to see if it can withstand the heat.

That score seems very low but then again, im not sure how it rates with a P4 setup. I know for every 100Mhz increase on the CPU I gain about 100 points in 05 tests. But that score seems very low. Are you sure you don't have the CCC enabled at all? Or something else in the background thats downgrading your clocks when you hit 3D mode?

I get 9114-9118 constantly with my setup. Thats an Opty 170 @ 2.6Ghz with 625/650 @ 1.225/1.95/1.95V

NT78stonewobble
11-29-2005, 05:55 PM
I re-installed my nForce & ATI Cat drivers with the newest ones on my Windows XP Pro 64-Bit Edition, but still when I instal ATI Tool 0.25 Beta 9, it works fine, but when I close it or restart my PC, it does not start anymore. It does nothing for some reason.

All other Beta versions of 0.25 work great though in 64-Bit.
Windows XP Pro 32-Bit works fine too.

Thanks in advance:)

Kinda having the same problem here.

athlon xp-m@12x200
ballistix@2.0,2,2,11 200mhz
8rda3+

Now this setup have been running for months stable with a 9800pro (prime stable).

XP pro with sp2 and updates. Catalysts 5.10 with and without ccc.

Now I bought an connect3d x800xt and attached an ati silencer. Runs great at stock and gets max 53 c after hours of gaming.

Tried to see what it could de in regards to overclocking. And tried first with atitool 0.24.

When hitting the overclocking limit it would first allmost freeze my pc up. (if playing a game it would revert to desktop). And then turn the monitor off. Also does this with this newest beta.

Have to use the reset button to get it back to normal (sometimes saving it with keys for reboot or shutdown). As far as I can see thats pretty normal behaviour for x800 when hitting max overclocks with atitool.

The "annoying" problem though is that with both 0.24 and 0.25 beta 9 my pc can't boot.

I can see the power on led light up when I push the pc's power button but nothing turns on, not even fans.

I then have to manually have to turn off everything at the power socket and wait a few secs. and then it boots normally.

Also my resume have stopped working. When resuming it's just a mass of big ugly grey "blocks" ...

Anyway, great program. Hope you keep it up...

PS: sorry for the overly long post. That is typical for any first post I make on a forum :)

M Diddy
11-29-2005, 06:11 PM
Actually I need to apply more voltage to the ram, im not applying much voltage (only 1.95V currently) I'm sure I can go higher I just need to test it to see if it can withstand the heat.

That score seems very low but then again, im not sure how it rates with a P4 setup. I know for every 100Mhz increase on the CPU I gain about 100 points in 05 tests. But that score seems very low. Are you sure you don't have the CCC enabled at all? Or something else in the background thats downgrading your clocks when you hit 3D mode?

I get 9114-9118 constantly with my setup. Thats an Opty 170 @ 2.6Ghz with 625/650 @ 1.225/1.95/1.95V

Should CCC be enabled along with ATITool??? I've always had it off....

deathman20
11-29-2005, 06:14 PM
Should CCC be enabled along with ATITool??? I've always had it off....

No have it off :) You do not want that on as it can mess clocks. Also saw this on another forum, making sure you disable the two ATI services that startup with the computer. There ATI something, can't miss it.

M Diddy
11-29-2005, 06:34 PM
Wierd thing too, you mentioned upping the RAM voltage. Mine was set at 2.1 and it wouldn't go past 655. Your's is only at 1.95. Before I even got the cooler, I had to up the RAM voltage to go past 500.....

deathman20
11-29-2005, 06:41 PM
I could run at least with CCC ram up to 575. But I realised someone else mentioned that it reduces the preformacne of the ram also using CCC to OC so who knows.

M Diddy
11-29-2005, 07:04 PM
Well I cranke dup the setting to 650 core and 675 RAM. Voltages were 1.3, 2.21, and 1.9.

When I run the test in FEAR I got a 55 FPS average with nothing below 31. With my card on stock settings, I was getting a 39-40 average. I ran threw the test fine and hit a max temp of 63.

When I ran 3D05 again, i frooze up in the first 10 seconds and I got this error:

ati2dvag has failed and it shut off my Catalyst drivers and went back to the default windows ones. I then had to reboot. To get my normal drivers. Any idea what would be causing this???

deathman20
11-29-2005, 07:15 PM
Well I cranke dup the setting to 650 core and 675 RAM. Voltages were 1.3, 2.21, and 1.9.

When I run the test in FEAR I got a 55 FPS average with nothing below 31. With my card on stock settings, I was getting a 39-40 average. I ran threw the test fine and hit a max temp of 63.

When I ran 3D05 again, i frooze up in the first 10 seconds and I got this error:

ati2dvag has failed and it shut off my Catalyst drivers and went back to the default windows ones. I then had to reboot. To get my normal drivers. Any idea what would be causing this???

Thats instability there :) I get that all the time when tryin for max clock and testing settings. Trust me it won't be the last time you see that .

W1zzard
11-29-2005, 08:45 PM
beta 10 out: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=6640