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freaksavior
07-20-2008, 04:18 AM
its going to be insane. more to follow.

DONE!

as of 9/01

cdawall
07-20-2008, 04:19 AM
pictures to follow

erocker
07-20-2008, 04:20 AM
Will there be beer?:confused:

Kursah
07-20-2008, 04:21 AM
O RLY? Any hints of what's to come by chance? :D

I'm curious to see what you guys come up with for sure! :toast:

Triprift
07-20-2008, 04:27 AM
Will there be beer?:confused:

And women theres gotta be women :pimp:

CrAsHnBuRnXp
07-20-2008, 04:27 AM
How did this initiate and how do you two plan to work on it together?

CrAsHnBuRnXp
07-20-2008, 04:28 AM
And women theres gotta be women :pimp:

Virgin hookers. :pimp:

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 04:28 AM
Will there be beer?:confused:

:roll: no, just lots of water...

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/0719082144.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/07190821442.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/0719082100.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/0719082101.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/0719082134a.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/0719082134.jpg

first 2 are of my res.

3rd and 4th of my room upstairs with our stuff in it.

and

5th is cdawalls case with the heater core.

How did this initiate and how do you two plan to work on it together?

he will be coming over the next few days and we are going to complete this build, and do mods to get this to fit in are cases.

cdawall
07-20-2008, 04:56 AM
lots of mods hehe that one with the heatercore in it remember mines a mid tower :roll:

CrAsHnBuRnXp
07-20-2008, 05:44 AM
Ah shit, i didnt realize you two lived in the same town. :laugh:

Edit: whose that on the couch?

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 06:06 AM
me :) and we only live about 15min apart

here is a pic of what we've been drinking

http://files.myopera.com/erosan/blog/duff%20closeup.jpg

how can i mount this?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/IMG00056.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/IMG00057.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/IMG00059.jpg

I have a piece of aluminium ( 3' x 3/16th x 1 1/2")

CrAsHnBuRnXp
07-20-2008, 06:08 AM
Totally not how I pictured you. :p

Now we need pics of cdawall.

erocker
07-20-2008, 06:09 AM
You can use zip ties that they use for transmission coolers. One part is the long tie, the other part is a padded plastic disk that it zips into.

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 06:11 AM
You can use zip ties that they use for transmission coolers. One part is the long tie, the other part is a padded plastic disk that it zips into.

zipties wont work because i need to add fans to the top, and zip ties block it.

i was thinking maybe make a bracket that would complete cirlce the heatercore but idk if that would work.

I have a piece of aluminium ( 3' x 3/16th x 1 1/2") a sledge hammer and a drill press.

http://productions.andrewgentle.com/media/steadicam/photos_large/bar_cut.jpg

Totally not how I pictured you. :p

Now we need pics of cdawall.

how did you picture me? when he comes over tomorrow i'll post one of him (unless he beats me to it)

CrAsHnBuRnXp
07-20-2008, 06:14 AM
Back when you had that Kramer avatar i kinda pictured you like him for some reason. Probably because it was an actual human face and it sort of portrayed you. At least his height is sorta around yours. :)

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 06:15 AM
lmao...nice. me and chris (cdawall) oddly we look a lot a like and are non related.

anyway..what about mounting it? also i have no freakin idea were to put the pump or the res (the red one i made :D ) either.

cdawall
07-20-2008, 04:03 PM
well heres what my rig look like while the rest of it is in pieces at freaks house

http://img.techpowerup.org/080720/0720080959.jpg

Cold Storm
07-20-2008, 04:05 PM
Wow, freak is getting everything of yours! lol.. Can't wait to see it all done!

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:14 PM
^^ well considering he knows were i live and work, its not really a issue

Cold Storm
07-20-2008, 07:16 PM
Oh, I know. Just trying to make a funny! Can't wait to see it when its done... what did you use to drill in the wholes for the barb? On the water bottle.

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:18 PM
A air grinder lol. it leaks though.. i tried o-rings from a water hose and it didnt work. im going to have to use a epoxy i guess... got any suggestions?

cdawall
07-20-2008, 07:22 PM
we could try melting some plastic over it?

Cold Storm
07-20-2008, 07:22 PM
I would use a proxy that they would use for filling holes for sprinkler systems... Home depot has it.. just put it around the barb from the outside...

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:23 PM
whats it called? and Chris, we will melt it only as a last resort.

cdawall
07-20-2008, 07:23 PM
you get to get that one freak i got hte other crap :p

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:24 PM
you get to get that one freak i got hte other crap :p

i know, i'll pick it up this time, my gf still hasn't given me the money, she keeps forgetting :banghead:

cdawall
07-20-2008, 07:25 PM
lol how are we going to pick the other thing up today?

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:25 PM
what things?

cdawall
07-20-2008, 07:26 PM
at BB

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:26 PM
OH! you said you would cover it and i would pay you back for it.

cdawall
07-20-2008, 07:27 PM
oh ok haha i forgot what we agreed on

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:29 PM
trnascend still hasnt given me my check! arg! and then i am going to get the check tomorrow for sure. I really need my e8400 sold to help with the bills

cdawall
07-20-2008, 07:31 PM
ill post it on XS post some pics with my cdawall/todays date on them

Cold Storm
07-20-2008, 07:31 PM
I don't know what its called, but you could find it around the sprinkler stuff, and plumbing. Just take the water bottle, and ask one around there on it...

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:32 PM
ill post it on XS post some pics with my cdawall/todays date on them

ok..will do. i dont REALLY want to take it out but since my block should be here tomorrow anyway it wont make a difference

cdawall
07-20-2008, 07:33 PM
haha they gave me funny enough looks yesterday buying the barbs he was like what do you need those for :wtf: and when i asked for o-rings they guy was like i dont sell those lol he was a moron

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:35 PM
home depot kinda is retarded. and wtf does it matter why your buying them!

cdawall
07-20-2008, 07:36 PM
im gong to use them as crack pipes duh haha

Cold Storm
07-20-2008, 07:38 PM
Home Depot is, but It was a lot better then Lowe's of West Palm Beach.. lmao...

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:41 PM
well lowes is right next to best buy. So i will stop there before i go into work.

cdawall, we need anything else from lowes?

Cold Storm
07-20-2008, 07:45 PM
Sweet, now is there a grocery store around it also!?!

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:45 PM
Sweet, now is there a grocery store around it also!?!

yes actually...why do you ask?

Cold Storm
07-20-2008, 07:47 PM
ONE stop shopping for everything you need in one night! lol

freaksavior
07-20-2008, 07:48 PM
oh gotcha... money doest agree ;)

cdawall
07-21-2008, 06:28 PM
minor update original build for me should be my quad/K9A2 platinum but more than likely its going to become a Biostar TP/I45 and 7200ES chip

dark2099
07-21-2008, 06:30 PM
minor update original build for me should be my quad/K9A2 platinum but more than likely its going to become a Biostar TP/I45 and 7200ES chip

That is going to be alot of fun.

MKmods
07-21-2008, 06:33 PM
haha they gave me funny enough looks yesterday buying the barbs he was like what do you need those for :wtf: and when i asked for o-rings they guy was like i dont sell those lol he was a moron
they sell the o rings in the plumbing section (where the faucet repair kits are)

This is really fun to watch you guys do this, Too much working solo is not good.
(try not to kill each other during the build)

cdawall
07-21-2008, 06:55 PM
i know they do but bubba joe running the dept. was about 70 and didnt get what i was doing and didnt want to tell me were they were....oh well we are getting some plumbing epoxy to fix the issue o-rings didnt work (they aren't compressed enough to create a seal)

Cold Storm
07-21-2008, 07:11 PM
Don't you just hate those guys that can't even phone overhead someone to even help ya!? I hope you can fixed it up! and make it look sweet!!

freaksavior
07-21-2008, 07:54 PM
Yeah, my dad is bringing some silicon home today so i can seal the holes. i got all my cables and fans put in, i should be getting my water block today or tomorrow, i just cant decide what nb block to get,
my choices are
EK - 5 (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaek5ac.html)
enzotech (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ensnnowa.html)
swiftech (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcchco1.html)

MKmods
07-21-2008, 08:03 PM
thats a hard choice, I would say neither and use the Thermalright one that comes with the mobo.

The Swifty is cheap and works great
The Enzo is just Beautiful looking
EK looks more plain but has the size to cover the chipset

Hard choice.

freaksavior
07-21-2008, 08:06 PM
Thats one reason why i like the enzo so much, it looks really nice!
the swiftech one, i read had clearence issues with dual slot gpu's and my board but calvery said it should work. the ex block looks low so it is also a good choice imo, just dont know if i should bother buying one

MKmods
07-21-2008, 08:17 PM
Thats one reason why i like the enzo so much, it looks really nice!
the swiftech one, i read had clearence issues with dual slot gpu's and my board but calvery said it should work. the ex block looks low so it is also a good choice imo, just dont know if i should bother buying one

Calvary is right, the NB will be NO clearance issues, the SB is the one that will interfere with GPUs.
The one thing about the EK cooler is the mount is not very adjustable so make sure the mounting holes will fit your exact mobo first
(but it has a large base that will allow more contact with the IHS on the NB)

hat
07-21-2008, 08:20 PM
hum, specs?

Cold Storm
07-21-2008, 08:21 PM
Man, it is a hard choice... A few people on Xtreme systems told me about grabbing the swifty as being the one to grab, but I really like the look of the Enzo...

cdawall
07-21-2008, 08:39 PM
next ting we need what water blocks for a pair (or 3) of 3850s looking for cheap and i can get the ram cooling seperate ie. non full cover

freaksavior
07-21-2008, 08:40 PM
Man, it is a hard choice... A few people on Xtreme systems told me about grabbing the swifty as being the one to grab, but I really like the look of the Enzo...

if i do the nb i am going the enzo i think

Calvary is right, the NB will be NO clearance issues, the SB is the one that will interfere with GPUs.
The one thing about the EK cooler is the mount is not very adjustable so make sure the mounting holes will fit your exact mobo first
(but it has a large base that will allow more contact with the IHS on the NB)

The ek-5 works on the dfi lt x48 (its under the list)

hum, specs?

what do you mean? specs?

Cold Storm
07-21-2008, 08:47 PM
You guys could grab a few Danger Den Maze5 (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5297/ex-blc-329/Danger_Den_Maze5_Video_Card_Liquid_Cooling_Block.h tml?tl=g30c87s145) and some ram sinks.

I am really liking the Enzo... Really thinking of grabbing it...

MKmods
07-21-2008, 08:56 PM
next ting we need what water blocks for a pair (or 3) of 3850s looking for cheap and i can get the ram cooling seperate ie. non full cover
I make my own now but before I used the maze 4,5 and switched to these
http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=104

Koolance even has a discount when you buy them in pairs.
(remember the 3850 is no heat monster so it dosent need a huge cooler)

cdawall
07-21-2008, 09:18 PM
what about the dtek gfx2?

http://www.petrastechshop.com/dfugfx2gpuwa.html

or maze4?

http://www.petrastechshop.com/dadenma4gpum.html

nad here is a cheaper maze5

http://www.petrastechshop.com/dadenmagpuwa.html

Cold Storm
07-21-2008, 09:22 PM
I didn't know the GFX2 was ati.. I've only seen it on a Nvida card.. lol I like how the GFX is ... that is what I was grabbing for my GTX... Whenever it gets here!!!

cdawall
07-21-2008, 09:24 PM
I make my own now but before I used the maze 4,5 and switched to these
http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=104

Koolance even has a discount when you buy them in pairs.
(remember the 3850 is no heat monster so it dosent need a huge cooler)

will they fit on a xfire board?

MKmods
07-21-2008, 09:31 PM
will they fit on a xfire board?
Yes, they are very universal.

cdawall
07-21-2008, 09:34 PM
Yes, they are very universal.

well shit thats a damn good price

now what about this making it yourself thing how difficult is that

Cold Storm
07-21-2008, 09:41 PM
How good are those? Because I'm thinking of the whole GFX system.. but if this is good...

MKmods
07-21-2008, 09:48 PM
well shit thats a damn good price

now what about this making it yourself thing how difficult is that

LOL, it can be a pain. :banghead:
(for the $$ Koolance ones rule, when I bought 2 of them they took some more $ off.)

How good are those? Because I'm thinking of the whole GFX system.. but if this is good...
for an 8600 9600 3850 I think they are very nice (rated at 200 watts) I probably wouldnt use them on an extremely high OC card or a GTX280 but I think they do very well on a mid range card.

One thing I really like is the 1/4" tubing as it hogs up a lot less space in the case and the blocks are very low profile so they dont get in the way.

freaksavior
07-22-2008, 12:09 AM
here is the res

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0062.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0063.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0064.jpg

cdawall
07-22-2008, 01:01 AM
tight now make one with the yellow one :D

freaksavior
07-22-2008, 01:02 AM
we will thursday

cdawall
07-22-2008, 01:02 AM
sweet

Solaris17
07-22-2008, 01:15 AM
I wish someone would come build a rig with me :(

Cold Storm
07-22-2008, 01:23 AM
The res looks good guys! :toast:
Well come down here Solaris, and You, RM and I can do a three-some.... wait... no.. no.... :shadedshu not that stuff...:wtf: :wtf:
just do something like that... :cry: The thoughts...

But I got everyone beat on TPU'er and distance... lol.. Just a few feet away from RM and Thoughtdisorder! :rockout:

cdawall
07-22-2008, 03:09 AM
fly down here sol we will help you out

freaksavior
07-22-2008, 03:15 AM
thanks guys. I think I'm going to drill some holes and use zip ties to hold the res in.

p_o_s_pc
07-22-2008, 03:21 AM
i want to see how this is going to turn out.

Cold Storm
07-22-2008, 06:45 AM
thanks guys. I think I'm going to drill some holes and use zip ties to hold the res in.

That's probably the best way to do it... or, go grab a water bottle holder from say Wal-Mart, and screw that in.... Just a thought...

cdawall
07-22-2008, 04:41 PM
thursday morning we should have a massive update as in mine should get finished

freaksavior
07-22-2008, 04:46 PM
Cdawalls should be done thursday, mine will be getting there. i get my block today, going to mount the rad and res tonight, and i'll get my pump friday.

Cold Storm
07-22-2008, 08:30 PM
Can't wait for Thursday my mans! :toast: What pump did you pick up!? A swifty?

freaksavior
07-22-2008, 11:52 PM
yup, swiftech mcp-655. Im working on mounting the rad right now, i have run out of ideas on how to mount the rad though...

thats teh bottom of the case http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/imagehosting/60346bbc9cce842e.jpg

cdawall
07-23-2008, 12:07 AM
does the BIX i left there fit at all?

freaksavior
07-23-2008, 12:08 AM
yes, but i would have to do more mods and the inlet and outlet is on opposite sides...

cdawall
07-23-2008, 12:10 AM
bha i tihnk we are gong to have to side mount it or something

freaksavior
07-23-2008, 12:13 AM
how would we do this?

i dont have anywhere but the bottom to mount it.

p_o_s_pc
07-23-2008, 12:23 AM
This thread has made me want to get over to black light burns's house and get him modding his case and mod mine and make a thread like that... who knows maybe i can get him to do that.:)

Cold Storm
07-23-2008, 02:33 AM
What's the case that you guys are doing it to!?

freaksavior
07-23-2008, 02:37 AM
Im doing it to my case and chris is ... well idk.

got the rad mounted :D will post super ghetto pics of this soon.

Cold Storm
07-23-2008, 02:44 AM
ahhhh sweet... Love the case... The best thing is if you even google it, Techpowerup is the first website for it!!!

Pictures... I'm drooling...

freaksavior
07-23-2008, 03:13 AM
here is my ghetto not so pretty one of a kind mess that did the job. :D

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0065.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0066.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0067.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0068.jpg

Cold Storm
07-23-2008, 03:17 AM
Hey, ghetto works! I know a guy that ghetto'd his car... Duck taped almost every piece on his engine, and interior... All ways said "Duck tape is God's best device"... lol..

It looks good, just need to bang the rad holes in to place... Kinda worried about that one for you guys...

sneekypeet
07-23-2008, 03:24 AM
No offence freak, but Id try maybe wire to strap the rad in. Looks to me that those two cross bars are killing about 20-25% of the flow through the rad.

Just a couple of pennies to ponder!

cdawall
07-23-2008, 03:28 AM
we will probably drill it down sneeky so that it looks nicer and has better flow ;)

freaksavior
07-23-2008, 04:19 AM
No offence freak, but Id try maybe wire to strap the rad in. Looks to me that those two cross bars are killing about 20-25% of the flow through the rad.

Just a couple of pennies to ponder!

Non taken...i have a grinder, so i might shave them down when chris comes over thursday.

freaksavior
07-23-2008, 04:25 PM
so what do you sugest i do?

i have a lot more metal like that, im thinking round the edges, make thinner strips and make them a little longer as it's a little tight as it is.

I also cut some more out of the bottom to make the holes bigger around the in and out of the tubing.

freaksavior
07-24-2008, 10:01 PM
cdawll should be posting some pics of this morning. We got a lot done to his rig.

MKmods
07-24-2008, 10:10 PM
how about splitting the strips in half than drilling a row of holes in them?

freaksavior
07-24-2008, 10:15 PM
how about splitting the strips in half than drilling a row of holes in them?

very nice idea :)

cdawall
07-24-2008, 11:00 PM
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6714/mg0077wc7.jpg

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4849/mg0074td3.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4494/mg0072ja2.jpg


more on the way just waiting for imageshacks slow butt to finish

cdawall
07-24-2008, 11:29 PM
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2141/mg0075hf3.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6118/mg0083dw4.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2970/mg0079bg8.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8518/mg0085wx4.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/37/mg0086wo4.jpg

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6711/mg0087pu0.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/473/mg0088hm6.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1362/mg0089wk9.jpg




lookie what freak got while we were working!

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5937/mg0084ao2.jpg

CDdude55
07-24-2008, 11:57 PM
Nice mobo. What CPU you guys using?

freaksavior
07-24-2008, 11:57 PM
rotate the pictures

CDdude55
07-25-2008, 12:02 AM
rotate the pictures

How would i do that? Plus, the HSF is already on it.:confused:lol

cdawall
07-25-2008, 12:03 AM
Nice mobo. What CPU you guys using?

right now it has a 5000BE in it but i am putting my 9500 phenom in it soon

rotate the pictures

fixed

freaksavior
07-25-2008, 12:13 AM
im going to be using a DFI LT x48, and a E8200 es.

dark2099
07-25-2008, 12:16 AM
Nice set up there freaksavior, I will browse around and see if I can find the video of setting that board up with a E8500 for 4.5GHz, might be able to help you some.

p_o_s_pc
07-25-2008, 01:32 AM
that water block on the 5kbe looks sexy. :p

suraswami
07-25-2008, 02:05 AM
good thread. subscribed.

Good Luck guys.

cdawall
07-25-2008, 04:44 AM
update on the way everythign will be set up in my case the pump and res will be changing spots because the people on XS pointed out the way it is will burn up the pump

freaksavior
07-25-2008, 04:49 AM
update on the way everythign will be set up in my case the pump and res will be changing spots because the people on XS pointed out the way it is will burn up the pump

link to your xs thread?

btw stop by walmart on your way over in the morning and pick up another water bottle... it leaks.. i made the holes to big.

we can do that first thing in the morning..also maybe get some bigger bars for this bottle

cdawall
07-25-2008, 05:16 AM
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196048

Cold Storm
07-25-2008, 05:19 AM
Oh I see, you like them more then us! lol... Looks good so far, just need to make sure that Pump is below the Res... just switch them around... Plus might want to make sure you can get to the res a little... that way its not hard to fill and what not...

cdawall
07-25-2008, 05:27 AM
its was really easy to fill there i ran a tube and funnel from the backside i have a hole in the CD cage

Cold Storm
07-25-2008, 05:52 AM
Ahh.. I see that. Just have to look at pictures... Can't wait to see it all in there and going!!! :toast:

alexp999
07-25-2008, 04:54 PM
subscribed. Want to see how these machines turn out! I want to go WC one day. havent got the guts/money/time atm, lol.

cdawall
07-25-2008, 07:30 PM
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4879/0725081247ane1.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4500/0725081247zi9.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8811/0725081248aw8.jpg

leak testing didnt go very well today appears to be leaking at the block....from the barbs to block connection any suggestions?

erocker
07-25-2008, 07:31 PM
Do leak testing away from your components!!!:eek:

*I like your choice in tubing! :D

freaksavior
07-25-2008, 07:31 PM
tightened the barbs a little more and stopped the leaking there. Now it leaks throug the tubing. And btw i got my pump :D

cdawall
07-25-2008, 07:33 PM
Do leak testing away from your components!!!:eek:

*I like your choice in tubing! :D

its just the mobo and its not plugged into anything

and thanks

tightened the barbs a little more and stopped the leaking there. Now it leaks throug the tubing. And btw i got my pump :D


i have a response to this but i don't think a long stream of curse words is good from the forums

MKmods
07-25-2008, 07:38 PM
careful when using clear top coolers. Acrylic is the worst material (better than paper:laugh:) but its very brittle, cracks easy (dont tighten too much).

Also if you tighten fittings too much the o-rings get crushed and lose their effectiveness.

Like erocker said always test outside the comp first. (I always have at least one fitting that leaks)

Oh yea I used to use a knife to cut the hoses off the fittings and would leave a scratch on the fitting. That was usually the reasons for slow leaks, so check all the fittings first to make sure the surface is smooth and nick free.

This is also a good reason to be using water instead of $$ coolant when first setting the loop up.

cdawall
07-25-2008, 07:39 PM
its smooth a nick free from what i saw.....


and i dont plan to use the board until at least saturday-monday (depends when we finish) so i getting wet isn't a problem

freaksavior
07-25-2008, 09:04 PM
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0091.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0092.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0093.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0094.jpg

i think thats better :)

cdawall
07-25-2008, 09:07 PM
no leaks?!

MKmods
07-25-2008, 09:09 PM
I hope I am not bugging you by my comments..but those are the wrong clamps for the hoses (too big) They will have a harder time molding to the soft and small diam hose you are using.

on mine I use 1/2" barbs with 3/8" hose and no clamps. If you can look for the plastic clamps or the small worm drive ones like you have there.

cdawall
07-25-2008, 09:10 PM
I hope I am not bugging you by my comments..but those are the wrong clamps for the hoses (too big) They will have a harder time molding to the soft and small diam hose you are using.

there 1/2" clamps?

freaksavior
07-25-2008, 09:13 PM
I dont know about the leaking chris, but i got my pump and the mounts done.

mkmods...is that better for the mounts?

MKmods
07-25-2008, 09:14 PM
I see that but they are way too heavy duty for the comp. Remember comp tubing is much softer than car heater hose.
And they may be working now because there is little pressure but a smaller more delecate clamp would be better.

The mounts are a lot better, next time make the holes bigger. Pretty soon Im gonna send my stuff to you to mod for me, Nice work.

http://www.petrastechshop.com/ststwohocl.html
http://www.petrastechshop.com/heclnyhoclsi2.html
http://www.petrastechshop.com/heclnyhoclsi3.html

thoughtdisorder
07-25-2008, 09:16 PM
Man, this is cool to watch unfold! :toast:

freaksavior
07-25-2008, 09:20 PM
I see that but they are way too heavy duty for the comp. Remember comp tubing is much softer than car heater hose.
And they may be working now because there is little pressure but a smaller more delecate clamp would be better.

The mounts are a lot better, next time make the holes bigger. Pretty soon Im gonna send my stuff to you to mod for me, Nice work.

http://www.petrastechshop.com/ststwohocl.html
http://www.petrastechshop.com/heclnyhoclsi2.html
http://www.petrastechshop.com/heclnyhoclsi3.html

thanks m8, i could re-do them but i dont feel like it :p.

im not sure where im going to mount the pump...

MKmods
07-25-2008, 09:28 PM
Im not saying the ones you have wont work, more for general info.

cdawall
07-25-2008, 09:33 PM
Im not saying the ones you have wont work, more for general info.

hopefully they do ;)

Cold Storm
07-25-2008, 10:39 PM
It looks good guys so far.. Why was the reasoning for getting the CPU block???

freaksavior
07-26-2008, 12:26 AM
It looks good guys so far.. Why was the reasoning for getting the CPU block???

what cpu block are you talking about?

cdawall
07-26-2008, 12:59 AM
It looks good guys so far.. Why was the reasoning for getting the CPU block???

the words dirt and cheap come to mind

Cold Storm
07-26-2008, 01:41 AM
lol... I wasn't try to hit ya on the belt or anything... I really never looked at any other cpu block then the one I bought... That was a instant... So, I was just wondering..

thoughtdisorder
07-26-2008, 02:17 AM
I bet you guys are having a blast doing this! :toast:

Enjoy, and keep us updated, what you guys are doing is very cool! :rockout:

flclisgreat
07-26-2008, 02:54 AM
update on the way everythign will be set up in my case the pump and res will be changing spots because the people on XS pointed out the way it is will burn up the pump

i was JUST going to point that out

cdawall
07-26-2008, 05:43 PM
i was JUST going to point that out

yea its been moved and should be happier now :D

fitseries3
07-26-2008, 05:59 PM
i usually wash the case out with no parts in the case. that way you dont risk killing anything ;)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4500/0725081247zi9.jpg

freaksavior
07-26-2008, 09:15 PM
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0096.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0097.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0095.jpg

no leaks :)

oily_17
07-26-2008, 09:35 PM
no leaks :)

Looking good guy's...keep up the good work,luv these type of builds with just what you have lying around you.

Excellent :toast:

cdawall
07-26-2008, 09:47 PM
sprayed the rear fan mounts black so its should look good with the case :D

freaksavior
07-26-2008, 10:17 PM
Looking good guy's...keep up the good work,luv these type of builds with just what you have lying around you.

Excellent :toast:

lol, just didnt want to pay $35 for a 500ml res when i made one for $5

thoughtdisorder
07-26-2008, 10:18 PM
Man guys, looking good! Keep going!:toast:

cdawall
07-26-2008, 10:30 PM
http://img.techpowerup.org/080726/0726081628.jpg

they look so much better in black

Cold Storm
07-26-2008, 10:47 PM
It looks good guys. What are you guys going to do with the res? Thinking it should be hung differently... but I know this isn't the end of it! :toast:

cdawall
07-26-2008, 10:56 PM
another set of zip ties at the top to make it straight :p

freaksavior
07-26-2008, 10:58 PM
im going to use a water bottle holder for mine...i think.

PrudentPrincess
07-26-2008, 11:04 PM
Kinda off topic, but why is cavalary thanking everyone on this thread? I've seen it on some other threads, is it an error or just a fit of random?

Cold Storm
07-26-2008, 11:05 PM
All right, just asking.. Should look good ether way...

freaksavior
07-26-2008, 11:10 PM
Kinda off topic, but why is cavalary thanking everyone on this thread? I've seen it on some other threads, is it an error or just a fit of random?

I wondered the same thing

Cold Storm
07-26-2008, 11:13 PM
Cav did it right before she got banned because of stuff that happened with her and so forth... so she thought it would be cute to just go on a thanking spree... I never had anything bad to say about the girl.. Just one very up front person she is. It's fine with me since I've loved with so many women.

PrudentPrincess
07-26-2008, 11:59 PM
Cav did it right before she got banned because of stuff that happened with her and so forth... so she thought it would be cute to just go on a thanking spree... I never had anything bad to say about the girl.. Just one very up front person she is. It's fine with me since I've loved with so many women.

She's gotten banned in the past 6 days? That's surprising. She was fine with me too, just the signing posts got on my nerves sometimes. I don't want to crap all over this thread so I'll end the off topic posts here. Sorry freak+cdawall. :)

thoughtdisorder
07-27-2008, 12:02 AM
Cav did it right before she got banned because of stuff that happened with her and so forth... so she thought it would be cute to just go on a thanking spree... I never had anything bad to say about the girl.. Just one very up front person she is. It's fine with me since I've loved with so many women.

Blah Blah Blah, you coming over for Steak tonight?:confused:

Oh, and go dudes!:toast::rockout::pimp::rockout:

BrooksyX
07-27-2008, 04:42 AM
Looking good guys, can't wait to see some more updates!

p_o_s_pc
07-27-2008, 07:00 AM
cdawall what are you going to do with the swify res?

cdawall
07-27-2008, 03:53 PM
cdawall what are you going to do with the swify res?

haven't decided yet it might go into a MATX build

KieranD
07-27-2008, 05:26 PM
she was very adamant that she was correct all the time

never did anything to annoy me personaly except knock a few games in my tpu all time classics thread

as for the case and other mods nice i wish i had the time to do this and the money seeing as youd need parts to put in the case

cdawall
07-27-2008, 05:30 PM
doing it our way its really cheap

20ft of tubing @ lowes $15
heatercore @autosone $30
bottle res @ walmart $3
barbs for bottle res @ lowes $2ea
pump used online $60 shipped
120mm fans used online $2ea

so as you can see the only expensive part is the pump

freaksavior
07-27-2008, 05:44 PM
doing it our way its really cheap

20ft of tubing @ lowes $15
heatercore @autosone $30
bottle res @ walmart $3
barbs for bottle res @ lowes $2ea
pump used online $60 shipped
120mm fans used online $2ea

so as you can see the only expensive part is the pump

^^ Oh so true.

but mine is more like this

9ft of tubing @ ace $9
heatercore @autosone $30
bottle res @ walmart $3
barbs for bottle res @ lowes $2ea
pump used online $60 shipped
120mm fans used online free
Water block $50 shipped

cdawall
07-27-2008, 05:51 PM
^^ Oh so true.

but mine is more like this

9ft of tubing @ ace $9
heatercore @autosone $30
bottle res @ walmart $3
barbs for bottle res @ lowes $2ea
pump used online $60 shipped
120mm fans used online free
Water block $50 shipped

my water block was $30 used online and lapped lol

freaksavior
07-27-2008, 05:51 PM
mine was $50 :p

cdawall
07-27-2008, 05:56 PM
mine was $50 :p

yours also works on AMD and intel :cry:

anyone got a intel block they want to get rid of?

freaksavior
07-27-2008, 05:57 PM
:nutkick: ha ha

flclisgreat
07-27-2008, 05:57 PM
yours also works on AMD and intel :cry:

anyone got a intel block they want to get rid of?

yes. storm rev 2

cdawall
07-27-2008, 06:00 PM
yes. storm rev 2

pm me bro i might buy it

freaksavior
07-28-2008, 06:25 PM
well cdawall's build is done. here is a update on mine...

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0103.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0100.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0101.jpg

I dont know were to place the res. Got any suggestions?

cdawall
07-28-2008, 06:43 PM
Here is mine :p its finished

cdawall :nutkick: freaksavior

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/0728081224.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/0728081224a.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/0728081225.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/0728081225a.jpg

Cold Storm
07-28-2008, 06:59 PM
Cada, very nice work! Now, just need to put everything in!!!

Freak, are you going to use the back fan place for anything? I'd say hook it up there... Or drill into the back of the case... Motherboard tray..

freaksavior
07-28-2008, 07:26 PM
Cada, very nice work! Now, just need to put everything in!!!

Freak, are you going to use the back fan place for anything? I'd say hook it up there... Or drill into the back of the case... Motherboard tray..

I was going to use it as another exhaust fan. but it looks like that is my only option for placement

erocker
07-28-2008, 07:31 PM
well cdawall's build is done. here is a update on mine...

I dont know were to place the res. Got any suggestions?

You have plenty of room between the motherboard and the HDD bay area. You should also put a fan on the NB cooler pointing down at the vid. card.:)

Cold Storm
07-28-2008, 07:32 PM
Well, can't you use the pre existing screw holes that where for a bigger board with the bottle holder?? Or, are you going to be having the case open all the time or not?

Big Edit!!!
At Petra. they do sell bracket systems for the Swifty pump.. you can bolt that to the motherboard tray, where erocker is saying, and put the res where the pump is since it should be higher then the pump anyway...

freaksavior
07-28-2008, 07:34 PM
case will be closed for sure. i cant put it were cdawall put his, i dont have room because of the pump and the 24pin cable, and because of the hdd.

erocker
07-28-2008, 07:35 PM
If you are using a water bottle, get some of the same clamps you use for fittings except bigger. Attatch two of the clamps to the mobo tray using existing screws or some self-tappers. Then insert the water bottle, wrap the clamps around it and tighten.

freaksavior
07-28-2008, 07:38 PM
it wont fit because of the hdd cage and the sata cables. plus my dvd/cd drive is going to be above the hdd cage.

JrRacinFan
07-28-2008, 07:48 PM
Here's my take on your layout freak. :)
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16854&stc=1&d=1217274513

Unsure of how well it would work out though.

freaksavior
07-28-2008, 07:53 PM
Here's my take on your layout freak. :)
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16854&stc=1&d=1217274513

Unsure of how well it would work out though.

rad might can go there.. but wouldn't have but one fan.

res, cant go there. hdd cage is in the way.

JrRacinFan
07-28-2008, 08:00 PM
Mmk, well I will conjure up a little more later.

Cold Storm
07-28-2008, 08:11 PM
The only thing I can think of, and this is a big thing to think... is that if you have it hooked to the case panel...You can then just on latch the bottle from the holder and take the side panel off... But, that is a big thing...

freaksavior
07-28-2008, 10:17 PM
The only thing I can think of, and this is a big thing to think... is that if you have it hooked to the case panel...You can then just on latch the bottle from the holder and take the side panel off... But, that is a big thing...

that might actually work, putting it on the side panel. The only problem is i would see the bolts.. that would bother me.

The heater core up top actually works well :) i think I might get another...

Actually cdawall has one i could use.. its a little wider than my heater core wich is a problem. Could i cut the side fins off and it still work ok?

here are pics for the update.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0110.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0109.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0108.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0107.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0106.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/freaksavior/_MG_0104.jpg

Cold Storm
07-28-2008, 10:28 PM
Well.. that is a problem.. but can fix in some ways... I don't quite know man.... Just have to see...

freaksavior
07-28-2008, 10:29 PM
hmmm....i wanted to do dual heater cores in the first place. plus since im getting a quad again.. yeah...if worst comes to worst i'll buy another.

cdawall
07-28-2008, 10:31 PM
does mine fit in the bottom?

freaksavior
07-28-2008, 10:33 PM
Nope. thats the problem..plus i would have to make new brackets.. i guess thats better than buying another core.

freaksavior
07-28-2008, 11:03 PM
nvm. if i want another heatercore i got to buy it. i busted the other one :p

cdawall
07-28-2008, 11:49 PM
haha pics

freaksavior
07-29-2008, 12:33 AM
i threw it out already. after i eat im going to autozone to get another heatercore

cdawall
07-29-2008, 01:23 AM
do they have anymore?

freaksavior
07-29-2008, 01:24 AM
if they dont im going to be mad.

cdawall
07-29-2008, 01:25 AM
i doubt that they do

freaksavior
07-29-2008, 05:43 PM
Are you coming over later today? Any leaks?

cdawall
07-29-2008, 05:44 PM
no leaks and maybe

JrRacinFan
07-29-2008, 05:45 PM
Mmk, well I will conjure up a little more later.

After giving your layout more though the only other item I could think of is going external. But that's ugly ..... :ohwell:

EDIT: Off-topic - 4800th post! Yah boii.

cdawall
07-29-2008, 05:46 PM
After giving your layout more though the only other item I could think of is going external. But that's ugly ..... :ohwell:

what do you think about mine?

freaksavior
07-29-2008, 05:47 PM
Ok, and im thinking mount the res on the back 120 fan grill..

Im stopping by autozone on the way home.

JrRacinFan
07-29-2008, 05:48 PM
what do you think about mine?

The way you have it layed out seems awkward but you got everything to fit internally so far. TBH tho, looks like you didnt take your time planning the layout and looks like everything is just crammed in there. Sorry had to be honest and didnt mean to offend if I did. :o

EDIT: But also another point is that if you dont have a window, who cares what the inside looks like as long as it works.

cdawall
07-29-2008, 05:53 PM
The way you have it layed out seems awkward but you got everything to fit internally so far. TBH tho, looks like you didnt take your time planning the layout and looks like everything is just crammed in there. Sorry had to be honest and didnt mean to offend if I did. :o

EDIT: But also another point is that if you dont have a window, who cares what the inside looks like as long as it works.

thats cause i planned it out it didnt work and i said to hell with it and just put it together :p funnily enough with everything set up my rig leans foreward because its so heavy in the front now

JrRacinFan
07-29-2008, 05:55 PM
thats cause i planned it out it didnt work and i said to hell with it and just put it together :p funnily enough with everything set up my rig leans foreward because its so heavy in the front now

Don't you just hate it when that happens. :)

I myself have been thinking of switching the wifes rig over to water because its in the warmer room and her case doesnt have as great of airflow as mine. I will PM you when the time comes cdawall and freaksavior to get an opinion on what I will need/want to get.

cdawall
07-29-2008, 06:49 PM
no prob bro you should go redneck style like us :D

Cold Storm
07-29-2008, 10:09 PM
I wouldn't call it redneck, It's just that you guys know of other ways to do it besides buying that expensive stuff... Your making the any person's water rig... That's all it is guys! Great stuff right there guys!
:toast:

freaksavior
07-29-2008, 10:13 PM
Got my second heater core :D

freaksavior
07-30-2008, 12:47 AM
Ok, im thinking for the loop i do this

Res > PUMP > CORE1 > Core2> cpu > Res

or i was thinking

Res > Pump > Core1 > cpu > core 2 > res

what do you think?

JrRacinFan
07-30-2008, 12:51 AM
Pump> CPU> Core 1> Core 2> Res> Pump :)

freaksavior
07-30-2008, 12:53 AM
if you dont mind my asking... why?

JrRacinFan
07-30-2008, 12:59 AM
Well IMO, just traditional w/c loop. What i was told by a few poeple to make the water exiting the cpu block to go stright towards a radiator.

flclisgreat
07-30-2008, 01:00 AM
yeah except you get heat from the pump to the cpu

JrRacinFan
07-30-2008, 01:00 AM
yeah except you get heat from the pump to the cpu

How much heat?

flclisgreat
07-30-2008, 01:01 AM
How much heat?

depends on pump

erocker
07-30-2008, 01:03 AM
Pump -> Radiator -> CPU -> Resevoir -> Pump.

freaksavior
07-30-2008, 05:56 AM
Pump -> Radiator -> CPU -> Resevoir -> Pump.

got 2 rads

freaksavior
07-30-2008, 06:35 PM
and My loop does not work. The pump doesn't seem to wanna pump.

i've tried both in and out on the pump, res is first in and core is first out.

I dont get this.....

cdawall
07-30-2008, 06:59 PM
try basically nothing on it pump a loop with just the res

erocker
07-30-2008, 07:03 PM
got 2 rads

Loop the rads together!

freaksavior
07-30-2008, 07:07 PM
Loop the rads together!

what difference would that make?

erocker
07-30-2008, 07:08 PM
It just makes the most sense really, it's like combining the two rads to make one. You want the output from both radiators to go directly to the block.

cdawall
07-30-2008, 07:13 PM
when you flip it on does your pump vibrate or anything?

freaksavior
07-30-2008, 07:15 PM
it made a really loud whiney pitched noise, i just it off..

it doesn't make much noise, i made sure water ran through it put it seems like the pump doesn't work. The pump should have more than enough power to do the 2 heater cores, res, and block.

Im going to need more tubing now since i cut all of mine.

cdawall
07-30-2008, 07:18 PM
rofl off to lowes

try funneling some water into it and out into nothing just to see if its pumping at all

freaksavior
07-30-2008, 07:29 PM
im going to try just pump and just res and see.

DOM
07-30-2008, 07:38 PM
cuz on the pump you got the one with the 1-5 nob ?

erocker
07-30-2008, 07:40 PM
I found some clear 1/2" tubing at Home Depot the other day, and while it's a little stiff at first it ended up working very well!

cdawall
07-30-2008, 07:45 PM
cuz on the pump you got the one with the 1-5 nob ?

yes its the same variable swiftec MCP655 i have

I found some clear 1/2" tubing at Home Depot the other day, and while it's a little stiff at first it ended up working very well!


lowes has an entire isle of tubing in several colors to :D

DOM
07-30-2008, 07:51 PM
does he have it on set on 5

freaksavior
07-30-2008, 08:02 PM
pump and swiftech mini res work fine. i must have them in the wrong order or something...

erocker
07-30-2008, 08:04 PM
You sure a rad isn't plugged?

freaksavior
07-30-2008, 08:05 PM
ugh...it might be.

cdawall
07-30-2008, 08:16 PM
ugh...it might be.

there isn't a kink anywere right?

erocker
07-30-2008, 08:31 PM
Be sure to flush those old heater cores out with a garden hose or something first. Who knows what could be in those things...

phanbuey
07-30-2008, 08:33 PM
Pump -> Radiator -> CPU -> Resevoir -> Pump.

that be the right way....

with 2 cores tho

pump > core 1 > cpu > core 2 > res > pump....

why?

eliminates heat from pump, and keeps the water in the rez at a colder temp... since the 2nd core removes most of the heat from the cpu... all core 1 has to do is remove the remaining heat (not so much) + the heat from the pump. Looping them together as 1 big radiator keeps the heat in the rez. Either way the difference wont be extreme.

erocker
07-30-2008, 08:36 PM
that be the right way....

with 2 cores tho

pump > core 1 > cpu > core 2 > res > pump....

why?

eliminates heat from pump, and keeps the water in the rez at a colder temp... since the 2nd core removes most of the heat from the cpu... all core 1 has to do is remove the remaining heat (not so much) + the heat from the pump. Looping them together as 1 big radiator keeps the heat in the rez. Either way the difference wont be extreme.

I see the logic, but having a 2nd radiator cool the fluid a 2nd time before hitting the block should cause more cooling! What is wrong with keeping the heat in the rez?

freaksavior
07-30-2008, 08:43 PM
i have flushed one, didn't flush the new one... and there is a bend were the pump goes to the top heater core but it shouldn't restrict the flow

that be the right way....

with 2 cores tho

pump > core 1 > cpu > core 2 > res > pump....

why?

eliminates heat from pump, and keeps the water in the rez at a colder temp... since the 2nd core removes most of the heat from the cpu... all core 1 has to do is remove the remaining heat (not so much) + the heat from the pump. Looping them together as 1 big radiator keeps the heat in the rez. Either way the difference wont be extreme.

thats how i had it.

phanbuey
07-30-2008, 08:48 PM
I see the logic, but having a 2nd radiator cool the fluid a 2nd time before hitting the block should cause more cooling! What is wrong with keeping the heat in the rez?

nothing!... thats why i mention that difference wont be much... more heat in the rez means more heat flowing through the pump, and while the rez keeps heat in pretty well, the pump tends to emit it (which means ever so slightly more heat in the case)... its basically a moot point tho, as long as you got at least one heater core before you hit your proc, its all good.

cdawall
07-30-2008, 08:59 PM
my 3850s are here :D

http://img.techpowerup.org/080730/0730081454.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/080730/0730081454a.jpg

freaksavior
07-31-2008, 04:35 AM
:roll:

paybackdaman
07-31-2008, 04:48 AM
my 3850s are here :D

http://img.techpowerup.org/080730/0730081454.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/080730/0730081454a.jpg

Even though I am getting a 4870.....soon.....i hope :ohwell:....:twitch:.....jealous.

freaksavior
07-31-2008, 04:59 AM
Heater core 2 (bottom) works flawless, its heater core 1 (top) so i am going to take it out and find out why that hoe doesn't flow

cdawall
07-31-2008, 07:03 AM
$10 says solder is clogging that POS up

and may i say i NEED VISTA ugh! stupid tri-fire-no go under XP but i have all 3 in now lol

freaksavior
07-31-2008, 03:26 PM
$10 says solder is clogging that POS up

and may i say i NEED VISTA ugh! stupid tri-fire-no go under XP but i have all 3 in now lol


how would it be solder?

I got a copy of vista if you want it ;)

cdawall
07-31-2008, 04:11 PM
how would it be solder?

I got a copy of vista if you want it ;)

i'll take it when they manuf them they are't very stringent about any of the weld/solder process's

freaksavior
07-31-2008, 10:42 PM
ok, it works for some reason with a water hose. but with pump..nothing..i dont get it. and for some reason the water turned milky white.

cdawall
07-31-2008, 10:44 PM
calcium build up? wash it out really good and try it with your pump again

freaksavior
07-31-2008, 10:45 PM
http://img-srv.dtcbuilder.com/engine/builder/images/1/6/8/6/3/2/file/7.jpg

that pump?

calcium build up? wash it out really good and try it with your pump again

i did as soon as i washed it out.

Cold Storm
07-31-2008, 10:54 PM
wait... its the first heater core that isn't working?.. I was going to say pressure... I'd make sure to just clean the heck out of it man, and then try again...

freaksavior
07-31-2008, 11:05 PM
Thats the way my loop is setup and my rad setup. 1 as in it goes there first

freaksavior
08-01-2008, 12:39 AM
Nothing! it still wont pump! the top says out so that means the bottom is in. i have set it up that way and its not pumping... :banghead:

cdawall
08-01-2008, 01:47 AM
maybe its to much to pump it to the top of your case?

freaksavior
08-01-2008, 01:56 AM
even when they were side by side?

cdawall
08-01-2008, 01:57 AM
even when they were side by side?

maybe who knows

p_o_s_pc
08-01-2008, 03:39 AM
have you tried it with just 1 core?

freaksavior
08-01-2008, 03:40 AM
yeah...it works ok. but ive seen a lot of builds with dual cores.

Cold Storm
08-01-2008, 04:30 AM
Wow... one works, and the other doesn't.... I really don't see the reason it doesn't... Side by side works... and you said the water hose made it work.... It sounds like a pressure problem... hmmm