0.25 Beta 10

[W1zzard]

- Dump Bios button on X1000 Series disabled until fix is found
- Artifact scanning should work better now
- Voltages can be saved to a profile and loaded on startup
- Fixed "New Malware.H" misdetection by McAfee
- Fixed "PCK/Morphine" misdetection by AntiVir PersonalEdition
- Fixed minor issue with profiles storing extended NVIDIA clocks
- Fixed warning "Alternate Pixelcenter"
- Added option to swap GPU and GPU environment temperature (cosmetic change for some ASUS NVIDIA cards)
- Temperature monitoring is back for NVIDIA cards
- Broken dialog sizes fixed on non-standard screen DPI settings

Download here: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/104

[deathman20]

Now where talking :)

[Mize]

anyone use this on an XT yet ;)

Okay I did. VPU recover at 661 when Overdrive gets me 690...? (GPU)

[W1zzard]

tried clocking in small steps?

[deathman20]

Man im eager to test this out.... 30min til I leave work another 30min to drive home, doh an hour longer :(

[Mize]

tried clocking in small steps?

"Find Max"

I can run through 3dm5 without a vpu recover using overdrive at 690...?

[W1zzard]

oh find max is working now? excellent :)

[W1zzard]

set your clock to 690 using ccc and start scan for artifacts ... any errors?

[SPHERE]

w00t!!! d/ling :)

[OneCool]

SWEET!!!!!

Im on it!!!!!!!!

[Mize]

set your clock to 690 using ccc and start scan for artifacts ... any errors?

Did this (though ATI Tool still said 599) and no artifacts. Not sure I was really at 690 or not ??

Edit: also I was at a lower temp in this exercise than at 661 with "find max" (80 vs 83)

Oops - ATI X1800-XT

[OneCool]

I still get ALot of stange things going on with the X1800XT.

Is there any certain way I/we should be appoaching this?

[OneCool]

I hope the ATItool software was wrong!!

I have no beef at all but I ran a "find max core" test and the AMPs were bouncing between 27.5 and 30amps! :banghead:

there was tearing from the time I hit the test button..it got to 673 and just froze :p

[spajdr]

tried to find max core, but when i press show 3d view, it already looking like this
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2661/beta107mb.jpg

thats with stock voltage and clocks, when i press find max core clock, it actually underclock below 499 :D :cry:

[deathman20]

Oh well Max Core/Mem isn't working on my XL. Was worth a shot.

[deathman20]

NM got it to work. Its working with Use Old method. Testing core clock right now.

[spajdr]

NM got it to work. Its working with Use Old method. Testing core clock right now.

thanks for a tip mate, works now :toast:

[deathman20]

Yup to 533 currently, if not mistaken 560 was the max I could get around stock volts, so a few more min.

553 hard locked :ohwell: Well at least locked up the video couldn't see the screen, did a reboot though.

[OneCool]

I wish you people would post what card you have!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would help ALOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[atomicpineapple]

Still have the problem when setting core frequency in ATI tool and running a 3d app results in ATITool displaying a very low core frequency (475MHz in my case) when I exit the 3d app, was using 3d mark 2003, running a few secs of GT1. FPS were lower than stock too so it looks like it does actually drop the core frequency. Im running with CCC, ATISmart, and ATI Hotkey Poller disabled.

Also 700MHz core on stock volts gives me a blackscreen but 700MHz stock volts is rock solid with OC tool. Any ideas anyone? Using a Powercolor X1800XT 512MB

Just tried artifact scanning and find max core and max mem, works fine on my card using older more compatible mode, normal mode gives same picture as screenie in spajdr's post.

[Spider]

On my GF 6800 artifact scanning while i'm overclocking core (manual, or using find max) still doesn't work (tried both new and old method). When I use find max, core overclocks to about 380MHz and then system freezes (probably card automaticaly changes to 2d mode, but because "find max" also overclocks 2d so card crashes). When I manual overclock my core and scan for artifacts strange things happen. It detects no artifacts, but when i close and open again 3d window, there is one big artifact :banghead:. Once i had a text saying "delta ... . No artifacts for..." (never seen these things both :P). Haven't tried overclocking mem yet.

There is also "Fan speed". It says 0%.

PS. sorry about my english.

[slyder314]

For me...is exactly like spajdr...and my frequency go down and artifact is detect at stock clock speed.But with manual overclock,my card can take easily 615/650 without any artifact with 1.2v on gpu and 2.0v on ram. :)

[deathman20]

Auto Memory clocking doesn't seem to work though. Just an update.

[atomicpineapple]

For Powercolor X1800XT 512MB OCing memory even slightly (<10MHz) results in black screen as soon as a 3d app initialised, also black screen when core set to anything over 650MHZ. Ok now using + and - buttons to set clocks, and set them to apply instantly, core now lets me run 3d mark at anything ive tried so far (up to 680MHz) but the problem of reporting low clocks upon exit remains.

[Flashnc]

Slyder314...


looks like your x1800xl is doing about the same as mine...best stable so far has been @ 607/652....1.2... 2.1... 2.0 ive had it to 620/660 but it wont complete 3dm5

[Flashnc]

hey w1zzard....im getting pretty much the same as others...still using manual settings to oc.....but....


the DPI issue is fixed.........good work so far.


dont have a clue how you created this program, but you are one awsume dude at what you do for us in the OC community..

"may you walk in sunshine-
and be blessed,
to never have holes in your underware"...

flash

[ugp]

Any clocks get me black screen when I go to benchmark... Using OverClocker with the same clocks on the core I do fine...

I have a x1800XT at 702/800 so far... and going... Stock Cooler

[KrisMCool]

Good news is that beta 10 installs and runs fine on WinXP 64 now. Thanks. Bad news is that reference divider and minimum step are all jacked up. Divider shows 2, 4 or 12, depending on its mood. Min step shows -21474836.48 MHz. I'm using a clock-modified BIOS, if it makes a difference, but these numbers were always correct before. Is there a way to manually input these numbers?

[ITPaladin]

I couldn't find a feature request section so I thought I would ask to add in an always on top and a sound choice feature.
I sometimes hear the default Windows "boop" that you hear when you click on the system tray sound icon and then click on the volume slider that pops up.
If that sound is supposed to be an artifact notice, then it is confusing.
I would like the option to have a file of my choice to play or some better sound and a preview button before applying it.

[Super XP]

With my X800XL & my Windows XP Pro x64 OS, the beta 10 is now wroking great. I can restart with no problems. I can also turn off ATI Tool & restart it with no prob's.

Great work Wizzard :)

Wizzard, I think ATI will hire you in an instant. I mean, if you can fix there CCC drivers, which I am sure you can, can you imagine :toast:

[M Diddy]

Just curious, what Amps are you guys running when OC'ed??? I'm at 16.4 on my OC profile... Is that a little high???

[M Diddy]

Also, what kind of FPS do you guys score in 3dM05????

[Super XP]

All are on Default Setting. w/ Cat 5.11b drivers.

3D Mark 2001 = 28,732
3D Mark 2003 = 13,152
3D Mark 2005 = 6,016

Aquamark 3 = 82,365
GFX = 12,006
CPU = 13,110

Everest Home Edition (DDR Tests):
Memory Read : 7767 MB/s
Memory Write : 3024 MB/s
Memory Latency : 34.1 ns

[M Diddy]

Well this was wierd... My GPU is clocked to 625 and here's what happens with various RAM speeds in 3DM05:

650 MHZ = 7860 3dmark
660 MHZ = 7729 3dmark
670 MHZ = 7716 3dmark

What the hell gives??? Why would they get lower as RAM speed increases????

[mR Yellow]

Well this was wierd... My GPU is clocked to 625 and here's what happens with various RAM speeds in 3DM05:

650 MHZ = 7860 3dmark
660 MHZ = 7729 3dmark
670 MHZ = 7716 3dmark

What the hell gives??? Why would they get lower as RAM speed increases????

M Diddy, u score seems a bit low for a 1800XL. I get 9200 @ 650/650.

[Super XP]

Well this was wierd... My GPU is clocked to 625 and here's what happens with various RAM speeds in 3DM05:

650 MHZ = 7860 3dmark
660 MHZ = 7729 3dmark
670 MHZ = 7716 3dmark

What the hell gives??? Why would they get lower as RAM speed increases????

The only thing I see is that your RAM is getting hot, so try placing a FAN in front of your DDR Ram.

[NT78stonewobble]

Now running 0.25 beta 10

Still crashes on too high oc. But as said x800's do that...

Now I've read through all of the beta posts and got a little confused.

With this beta what artifact scanning method am I sposed to use for the x800xt?

Haven't checked if the boot problem is still there (It was mysteriously absent this morning when I started my pc with the beta 9's, first time it worked normally with those installed:confused: ).

Will report back in if I see any problems resuming or booting. :)

[mR Yellow]

Now running 0.25 beta 10

Still crashes on too high oc. But as said x800's do that...

Now I've read through all of the beta posts and got a little confused.

With this beta what artifact scanning method am I sposed to use for the x800xt?

Haven't checked if the boot problem is still there (It was mysteriously absent this morning when I started my pc with the beta 9's, first time it worked normally with those installed:confused: ).

Will report back in if I see any problems resuming or booting. :)

The artifact error is only with the new x1800 series.

[W1zzard]

I couldn't find a feature request section so I thought I would ask to add in an always on top and a sound choice feature.
I sometimes hear the default Windows "boop" that you hear when you click on the system tray sound icon and then click on the volume slider that pops up.
If that sound is supposed to be an artifact notice, then it is confusing.
I would like the option to have a file of my choice to play or some better sound and a preview button before applying it.

there is a setting "play sound when artifact detected"

[W1zzard]

Good news is that beta 10 installs and runs fine on WinXP 64 now. Thanks. Bad news is that reference divider and minimum step are all jacked up. Divider shows 2, 4 or 12, depending on its mood. Min step shows -21474836.48 MHz. I'm using a clock-modified BIOS, if it makes a difference, but these numbers were always correct before. Is there a way to manually input these numbers?

argh .. forgot to fix this for the x1000 series :(
the setting does not apply there

[W1zzard]

it is unknown to which voltage the amperage number is related to .. if it's vgpu, 40 amps isnt that much .. watts = ampere * volts

the 2d/3d clocks thing on the x1800xt is not fixed yet.. still digging for info

[W1zzard]

"use old scanning method" is best left at off for maximum heat generation, but if you are having some strange problems, try the old one too and see if it works better. the heat generated there might be a little less

anybody else can confirm old scanning method works good on x1800?

[mR Yellow]

"use old scanning method" is best left at off for maximum heat generation, but if you are having some strange problems, try the old one too and see if it works better. the heat generated there might be a little less

anybody else can confirm old scanning method works good on x1800?

Well, the old method doesn't show yellow artifacts in 3dview...if that helps.
I just downloaded ATiTool (im at work) so i'll only give feedback tomorrow.

[OBR]

Bad news: i have the same problem like in 25.9beta, if i set frequency for GPU and MEM in Atitool (example: 700,800) atitool automatically set 2D default frequency and card is not overclocked, why i cant set 2D a 3D frequencies separately?

[W1zzard]

Bad news: i have the same problem like in 25.9beta, if i set frequency for GPU and MEM in Atitool (example: 700,800) atitool automatically set 2D default frequency and card is not overclocked, why i cant set 2D a 3D frequencies separately?

because the programmer hasnt figured out yet how to do so :)

[mR Yellow]

because the programmer hasnt figured out yet how to do so :)

lol :laugh:

[Spider]

So the programmer also hasn't figured out how to disable 2d mode from find max core in nvidia cards? :) I've asked for that several times :).

[atomicpineapple]

OBR, disable ATISmart and ATIHotkey Poller services, that stops clocks being taken back ot default when a 3d app is run.

[W1zzard]

OBR, disable ATISmart and ATIHotkey Poller services, that stops clocks being taken back ot default when a 3d app is run.

thats some great info .. could you check if both have to disabled or one will be enough? will everything still work if the services are permanently disabled? or do you have to enable/disable them each session?

[atomicpineapple]

Both have to be disabled from the looks of things, this causes overdrive facilities to be lost, but i found that with both disabled it stops the card entering 3d mode (checked that by changing 3d clocks in the OC tool, no increase in 3d mark score or fps, changed 2d clocks and scores increased). Everything looks like it'll work with them permanently disabled, ie system wont crash. But that still leaves the problem of ATITool setting the clocks very low on exit from (and possibly during) a 3d application, somethingwhich doesnt happen with the OC tool with those 2 services disabled.

[KrisMCool]

argh .. forgot to fix this for the x1000 series :(
the setting does not apply there

I'm using a BBA X800 Pro, not a x1000 series card. All I know is that the min step used to be 6.75 MHz. Now I can't OC as far using the slider due to the odd clocks without locked min step.

[smogg]

im using atitool 0.25b10 with my nvidia... i think this program should change his name :)
also ''force refresh rate'' is good idea... i lov'd it in 0.24 coz its good 4 gamers... and what about fan control?

[mR Yellow]

im using atitool 0.25b10 with my nvidia... i think this program should change his name :)


neva :nutkick:

[deathman20]

neva :nutkick:

LOL

[ITPaladin]

there is a setting "play sound when artifact detected"


Actually it is "beep on artifact".

It uses the default Windows sound that you have to change in the sound schemes.

I was saying let us have a choice of what sound file to play.

[W1zzard]

hrmm not sure if it is that important to warrant an extra selection option

[Moruem]

Hi there, I'm playing with ATItool 0.24 and my asus ax800xt. Wanted to know if there's any chance of vcore/vmem adjustments for that x800 series? Or is it a x1800only and nothing is planned for software volts change on x800.. Thanx

[SPHERE]

you cant change the volts through software on x800's

[Moruem]

Any chance for an option like that in a future release?
Or I'll have to go hard and mod it with pots?

[W1zzard]

it is physically not possible on any card other than the x1800 series

[Moruem]

Thanx to you Mr.W1zz the great, that's what I wanted to confirm.
Now let's take my balls and hardmod it.. err..:rockout: :rockout:

[ErrorS]

I have the same problem I had with beta9, turning to old artifact scanning works fine.. This is on a Sapphire X1800XL.

Love being able to save voltages, great program.. now it's time ot see what this card really can do.

wizzard, you have spoiled us. I remember back in the day when overclocking I had to run 3dmark for hours, watch extremely closeley to see if there were ANY artifacts, "omg, did I just see an artifact? Hmm, maybe not.. I'll run it again".. when the program wouldn't work for me I just didn't overclock, that's how lazy I've become :p

[OneCool]

W1zzard,Are you testing this beta with a X1800XL card.

I was just wondering

[M Diddy]

:D :D

Happy days are here!

I reconfiged my CPU and RAM OC a little on the mobo, and now have a 3.65 820 and my RAM runingg at 3-3-3-8 at 540 MHZ. I also added a 120mm fan to the botom of the case blowing up on the Radeon.

Long story short, I'm now running a a 630 Clock and 660 RAM on the card and scored an 8152 in 3DM05. :D Finally broke the 8K mark. I might be able to get some more out of it too. I'll have to see.

[Mekrel]

Old scanning method working great on my X1800XL, same artifacts at stock as beta 9 with the old scanning methond disabled.

[ahmad]

Thanks a lot W1zzard. We do appreciate what you do here :)

Trying now and will report back with results.

[Spires]

I can't seem to really use the utility at all. Even when I turn off all the functions so that ATITool just sits there, it somehow makes my card drop to 475 core. Strange behavior, not sure why..:confused:

[deathman20]

Hmmm ok the tool isn't totally working with the artifact scanning.

Memory really hurts it overall, you start increasing it, it definatlly complains about it almost right away, even at stable clocks. GPU it pretty much can get right on but as time went on, it was giving errors sooner and sooner, after cold boots, and same voltages. Oh well guess it needs some fixes to that W1zzard :(

Oh is there a way you could include the PWM's temps into the log file as well? That be great when I'm trying to find out my max tempature I can get out of the card.

Otherwise the rest of it works great :) Very happy with it.

[M Diddy]

I'm still curious why I can't break 9k like some of you guys. With my core at 630 and mem at 690, I hit 8330 today, and I don't see it getting any higher.

I guess the fact reamains even a decently OC'd Intel suck at 3D compared to AMD.... :(

I'm running my 820 at 3.66 and my Kingston RAM is at 694 at 4-3-3-10 and I mid 8K is all I got.... Is it possible I have a bum card???? I DO have the ATI and not the Sapphire.....

[arnoldo]

Do X800 users should apply Old Scanning method using ATITool beta 10? My OC using beta 09 is lower than OC using ATITool beta 09. My benchmark using beta 09 was 5200, the last time I check. Last night, it was dropped to...4750 :(

[mR Yellow]

Hmmm ok the tool isn't totally working with the artifact scanning.

Memory really hurts it overall, you start increasing it, it definatlly complains about it almost right away, even at stable clocks. GPU it pretty much can get right on but as time went on, it was giving errors sooner and sooner, after cold boots, and same voltages. Oh well guess it needs some fixes to that W1zzard :(

Oh is there a way you could include the PWM's temps into the log file as well? That be great when I'm trying to find out my max tempature I can get out of the card.

Otherwise the rest of it works great :) Very happy with it.

I noticed the same thing. Arti scanning still isn't working properly. Its seems very random.
I wonder what ATi did with these cards?

Deathman (and whoever else is reading), do me a favour and install the infamous 3dMark2001 and run the fill rate test. Now keep a close eye on single filtering...u should notice slight white dashes (-) appear randomly. They their even at stock but not that noticable...look carefully. When overclocking they appear more visible (u will see more). I wonder what this is! Should these cards do it?

Can someone plz confirm.

[deathman20]

I noticed the same thing. Arti scanning still isn't working properly. Its seems very random.
I wonder what ATi did with these cards?

Deathman (and whoever else is reading), do me a favour and install the infamous 3dMark2001 and run the fill rate test. Now keep a close eye on single filtering...u should notice slight white dashes (-) appear randomly. They their even at stock but not that noticable...look carefully. When overclocking they appear more visible (u will see more). I wonder what this is! Should these cards do it?

Can someone plz confirm.

01 is uninstalled, so someone else will have to try that out, since what ever the case is I can't run some benches with it, without it resetting.

[Mekrel]

Hmmm ok the tool isn't totally working with the artifact scanning.

Memory really hurts it overall, you start increasing it, it definatlly complains about it almost right away, even at stable clocks. GPU it pretty much can get right on but as time went on, it was giving errors sooner and sooner, after cold boots, and same voltages. Oh well guess it needs some fixes to that W1zzard :(

Oh is there a way you could include the PWM's temps into the log file as well? That be great when I'm trying to find out my max tempature I can get out of the card.

Otherwise the rest of it works great :) Very happy with it.

Hi,

Thats strange, as I said I hit 625 on the memory and then the cube really did artifact in the way you would expect it to with memory problems, as in huge blocks of the image erroring out.

Maybe I will test in two ways,

Run the tool agin and see if I can get past that, or run RivaTuner and put the memory to 625 and see if the artifact scanner picks anything up.

[Jeronimo]

Question I asked and that has not been answered yet:
A while back in the release notes of one of the betas was stated, that ATITool should be started for the fan settings to be applied. Is this still the case?

I like the way it is now working as in 0.24. Applied at start-up (by use of ATITool driver?)

[W1zzard]

Question I asked and that has not been answered yet:
A while back in the release notes of one of the betas was stated, that ATITool should be started for the fan settings to be applied. Is this still the case?

I like the way it is now working as in 0.24. Applied at start-up (by use of ATITool driver?)

you have to start atitool to apply fan settings

[Jeronimo]

Guess I'll stick to .24 then

[M Diddy]

Any of you guys actually go into your BIOS and up the PCI-E bus speeds or volatges???? Just curious as this might bring some more stability to the table....

Also, how are you running 3DM05??? What tests and what settings just so we're on the same page...

[M Diddy]

I hate to be a PITA, but here's another question for ya... Why is my FSB showing as 5 MHZ in my 3DM05 score????

http://moderators.20vturbo.com/mdiddy/Random/5.JPG

[Diverge]

Is anyone applying their highest OC at startup of windows with Atitool? the reason i ask i think something is weird with the voltages. here is what i am experiencing:

right now i have 5 profiles, Default, OC1, OC2, OC3, OC4. upon windows starting it will automatically load the Default profile. i have the voltages needed for my max OC (OC4) saved to every profile, including Default. after it applies default i can verify that my voltages are applied, but when i have it load my OC4 profile it will crash my video card (stuff gets scrammbled). but if i were to load the voltage profile from OC4 first, then load the whole profile of OC4 from the main page everything works fine.

i dunno if something is buggy on my machine, or possibly a uninstall/reinstall will fix it. But i was wondering if the voltages are applied before setting core and mem frequencies? i'd assume they would be. i was also curious if the order of things in the profiles.ini file is the order they are loaded, cause my voltages are last on each profile.

Edit: hmm, i just loaded OC4 and it worked fine... weird.

[Flashnc]

ok i have a general question.......

what is the highest voltages anyone is using? and finding it still stable and no real heat issue's...ive been staying in the 1.175-1.2 .......2.150-2.2.........2.150 max so far.....anyone???

[Flashnc]

mine didnt like 1.30.... 2.250......2.220 dont know which one..but @ 615/655..... got nothing....lol no screen. well back to the voltages.

i think maybe that 607/652 is going to be my best stable oc...so i have a profile for 605/650 for gaming....i cant complain.....love my card anyways..even if it wont hunt with the "Big Dogs"...might just have to see what Viper can do with it.

[mR Yellow]

mine didnt like 1.30.... 2.250......2.220 dont know which one..but @ 615/655..... got nothing....lol no screen. well back to the voltages.

i think maybe that 607/652 is going to be my best stable oc...so i have a profile for 605/650 for gaming....i cant complain.....love my card anyways..even if it wont hunt with the "Big Dogs"...might just have to see what Viper can do with it.

I've gone upto 1.3v on core and 2.2v on mem....the card runs well at these volts, just get very hot. So its not about volts, but about how much heat is produced form the volts.

[ugp]

Hell I have gone up to v1.450 on the core and had no problems with stock heatsink. Temps are fine under load.

I have had Memory stable at 900 on Stock HSF as well. Don't remember the volts being pushed to it but was Artifact free.

My goal is to hit 750/900 Stable 24/7.

[mR Yellow]

Hell I have gone up to v1.450 on the core and had no problems with stock heatsink. Temps are fine under load.

I have had Memory stable at 900 on Stock HSF as well. Don't remember the volts being pushed to it but was Artifact free.

My goal is to hit 750/900 Stable 24/7.

Yup, but thats on a XT and not a XL.

[deathman20]

Well heres a question for someone to answer.

Why does an XT say at 1.2V Core, and mem Default (2.0 or 2.1V can't remember) show the amps as 21.8A-27.3A under load. Yet my XL reads around 24.5A at default 1.075/1.889/1.889V? I mean when I even crank up my voltage to around similar voltages and over I get anywhere from 30-35A as what ATITool is reading.

I know it doesn't mean much just a useful sign of how much power its eating but why is this different between the 2 cards like this?

[deathman20]

Is anyone applying their highest OC at startup of windows with Atitool? the reason i ask i think something is weird with the voltages. here is what i am experiencing:

right now i have 5 profiles, Default, OC1, OC2, OC3, OC4. upon windows starting it will automatically load the Default profile. i have the voltages needed for my max OC (OC4) saved to every profile, including Default. after it applies default i can verify that my voltages are applied, but when i have it load my OC4 profile it will crash my video card (stuff gets scrammbled). but if i were to load the voltage profile from OC4 first, then load the whole profile of OC4 from the main page everything works fine.

i dunno if something is buggy on my machine, or possibly a uninstall/reinstall will fix it. But i was wondering if the voltages are applied before setting core and mem frequencies? i'd assume they would be. i was also curious if the order of things in the profiles.ini file is the order they are loaded, cause my voltages are last on each profile.

Edit: hmm, i just loaded OC4 and it worked fine... weird.

Oh I had a similar issue once. Where on direct bootup I'd switch to a new profile and it for locked up with a pretty looking screen :) I did uninstall and reinstall it, havn't had an issue yet. That must of did the trick.

[deathman20]

Oh ya... tested voltages a little more.

1.15/2.102/2.102 hitting now 600/675 stable in 05, 03, FEAR, Quake4. Not bad :) Definatlly going ot try higher on the memory since others are using more volts.

Temps are 50C PWM's, 54C GPU, 33C Enviroment :)

[M Diddy]

Oh ya... tested voltages a little more.

1.15/2.102/2.102 hitting now 600/675 stable in 05, 03, FEAR, Quake4. Not bad :) Definatlly going ot try higher on the memory since others are using more volts.

Temps are 50C PWM's, 54C GPU, 33C Enviroment :)


Scores in 05?????

[deathman20]

Scores in 05?????

Oh just a tad under 9k, don't have the results infront of me currently. Working on where the middle ground is, since when I was at the higher voltage (see sig for the voltage/speeds) I couldn't last more then a few seconds any 3D application above 655Mhz on the memory. Yet at 650Mhz it worked perfectly fine on the memory :/ But im sure I can squeeze a more out of the core and definatlly more out of the memory.

So far it ends up being a little slower running the memory higher so far. At the speed in my sig I could reach from high 9k to low 9.1k with my cpu at 2.6Ghz. But like I said, its not fully tweaked yet just tested and wnated to try the new way to make sure it was stable.

[Flashnc]

mine is in the 610/652 stable for pi and 3dm5 and gaming.....hitting highest of 37.4 amps....avg seems to be in the 34-36 amps range...

@ 1.215.......2.1....2.1..

im @ 9076 3dm5 cpu @ 2.750..... ( 10x275 )

[Alaza]

I'm sorry if this already been discussed, but why is it that the great feature with refresh rate locks is gone after 0.24?

[M Diddy]

Are you guys leaving hardware exceleration on in Windows as well? Or are you moving the slider to off????

[Flashnc]

before running 3dm5?..heck..i never change it, should i? and is that what you are refering to?

[M Diddy]

Actually, don't bother... 3Dm won't even run....

[M Diddy]

For some reason, I'm getting reboots when playing Quake 4. It's coming up with this error:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q293078

I really belive there something with these Catalyst drivers that's causing this issue for me. What it is I have no idea.

Right now I'm at 620 GPU/652 RAM and my Volts ar 1.245/2.145/2.1. Should be stable but it's not. I can pass 3dM all day with 8100-8400's, but Quake will freeze up at the simplest times...... This is starting to piss me off....

[W1zzard]

alaza: refresh rate fix didnt work as planned, so i removed it again .. there's a ton of other apps out there which do a great job with it

[Alaza]

Okay, I'm sad to hear that. So there are no plans of reinplememting the feature? I just loved the easyness of it, and not having to run more applications at a time.

[ugp]

The new ATI CCC has a Refresh Rate Override built in now...no need for another application for it.

[OBR]

What is max safe voltage for X1800XT? Default is GPU: 1.3V and MEM: 1.8V, on default is my overclock 715/820.

[konfuzd]

I'm getting some random instabillity from this beta. I'll try to narrow it down to a particular feature.

Usually what happens is, something involving the video card (even video playback) will cause the computer to imediately lock up.

[Plug]

i would also like to know this, i bought a Sapphire X1800XT 512DDR card and it comes with

Default is GPU: 1.3V and MEM: 1.8V, and also 620 in 3d and 750 Memory.
what are safe voltages for these XT cards when overclocking. ?????

and when will there be a new ATI tool version to fix these clock and artifact scanner for X1k series cards ?

[deathman20]

Did you test those voltages with a multimeter? The mem voltage is off, should be 2.0V if not mistaken on default.

[mR Yellow]

mine is in the 610/652 stable for pi and 3dm5 and gaming.....hitting highest of 37.4 amps....avg seems to be in the 34-36 amps range...

@ 1.215.......2.1....2.1..

im @ 9076 3dm5 cpu @ 2.750..... ( 10x275 )

Oh ya... tested voltages a little more.

1.15/2.102/2.102 hitting now 600/675 stable in 05, 03, FEAR, Quake4. Not bad :) Definatlly going ot try higher on the memory since others are using more volts.

Temps are 50C PWM's, 54C GPU, 33C Enviroment :)

Do u guys get artifacts in ATiTool (running artifact tester) at these speeds/volts?
Cause i do...and is it a true reflection.

I can run GPU @ 540 (1.25v) and Mem @ 650 (Default voltage) without artifacts being detected in ATiTool...so im wondering how accurate ATiTool really is in its arti testing.

[deathman20]

Do u guys get artifacts in ATiTool (running artifact tester) at these speeds/volts?
Cause i do...and is it a true reflection.

I can run GPU @ 540 (1.25v) and Mem @ 650 (Default voltage) without artifacts being detected in ATiTool...so im wondering how accurate ATiTool really is in its arti testing.

Lets put it this way, at stock it doesn't work properly for me anymore. It did at one point or so I thought.

Your hitting 650 on the mem with default voltage, with ATITool? Daaang You got some super mem there if so. I know I need 2.1 for 675. And 2.2 for 730 currently :)

[mR Yellow]

Lets put it this way, at stock it doesn't work properly for me anymore. It did at one point or so I thought.

Your hitting 650 on the mem with default voltage, with ATITool? Daaang You got some super mem there if so. I know I need 2.1 for 675. And 2.2 for 730 currently :)

Yup, 650 (def volt) on mem with ATiTool.
Nice OC on ram...u making me unsatified with 650!
Im just testing atm.

In ur opinion, do u think ATiTool arti testing is faulty with x1800?

[M Diddy]

It's amazing how much different some of the volts can be for these cards. I'm at 625/650 with 1.220/2.01/2.0 and stable. I did a little modification, and removed the PCI slots from the back of the PC to let out some hot air. I then found that a 120mm fan fits PERFECTLY under my card in front of the open slots!!! :D

Adding a second 120mm exhaust at the bottom of the case drop my idle temps from 46 to 41-42! :D Never goes above 60 now, even at full load! Now if I could just hit 9K in 3DM05, I'd be happy camper!

[mR Yellow]

It's amazing how much different some of the volts can be for these cards. I'm at 625/650 with 1.220/2.01/2.0 and stable. I did a little modification, and removed the PCI slots from the back of the PC to let out some hot air. I then found that a 120mm fan fits PERFECTLY under my card in front of the open slots!!! :D

Adding a second 120mm exhaust at the bottom of the case drop my idle temps from 46 to 41-42! :D Never goes above 60 now, even at full load! Now if I could just hit 9K in 3DM05, I'd be happy camper!

U will easily hit 9000 in 05 with the core at 650!
My highest 05 score is 9200 with core and mem both at 650/650.

My only concern is ATiTool arti testing. I get this nagging feeling...what if it is correct?
Are we pushing our cards to far!

@ Wizzard, how accurate is artifact scanning on the x1800 series really?
Do u have a x1800 card that u testing with?

[M Diddy]

U will easily hit 9000 in 05 with the core at 650!
My highest 05 score is 9200 with core and mem both at 650/650.

My only concern is ATiTool arti testing. I get this nagging feeling...what if it is correct?
Are we pushing our cards to far!

@ Wizzard, how accurate is artifact scanning on the x1800 series really?
Do u have a x1800 card that u testing with?

I don't even come close to 9k. I just ran a 3DM at 625/702 and only netted 8250. I dunno why, but my card isn't capable of getting close to 9K....

[mR Yellow]

I don't even come close to 9k. I just ran a 3DM at 625/702 and only netted 8250. I dunno why, but my card isn't capable of getting close to 9K....

Don't blame ur card...it could be ur rig. ;)
Post specs of ur system for us plz.

[deathman20]

I don't even come close to 9k. I just ran a 3DM at 625/702 and only netted 8250. I dunno why, but my card isn't capable of getting close to 9K....

Man somethings not right with that. You should be scoring very well with those scores, unless your using OC to clock the card ;)

I get 9334 with 615.6/729 currently. And trust me the core helps more then cranking the memory.

[mR Yellow]

And trust me the core helps more then cranking the memory.

I noticed that too.

[konfuzd]

Is anyone else having problems with fan control? Whenever I use it on my X1800XL, it doesn't speed up and causes my computer to crash.

[M Diddy]

Don't blame ur card...it could be ur rig. ;)
Post specs of ur system for us plz.

Here ya go:

Intel 820 OC'd to 3.71
Zalman 9500 Cooler
2 x 1 GB OCZ Gold PC667 OC'd to 724Mhz @ 4-4-4-8
Gigabyte 8I945P-Pro
ATI X1800XL with Zalman CU700 cooler
Thermaltake Tsunami Case 1x120 intake, 1x90 intake, 2x120 Exhaust
2x WD Caviar Sata IIs in a RAID 0
Thermaltake TR-2 500W PS

Nuthin bad, but for some reason I can't score anything in 05.... I wonder if I'm missing something in the way my PC is setup.

I installed The Cat 5.11 drivers and WDM drivers but didn't install CCC. I have no other ATI services running other then ATITool and 18 other Windows processes. I have ATI tool setup like this:

GPU 625/RAM 652
Volts 1.220/1.98/1.97
Idle = 42 / Load = 60

In my Bios, I have my PCI-E speed set to stock and am adding .1 Volts to the PCi bus for stability.

[mR Yellow]

Here ya go:

Intel 820 OC'd to 3.71
Zalman 9500 Cooler
2 x 1 GB OCZ Gold PC667 OC'd to 724Mhz @ 4-4-4-8
Gigabyte 8I945P-Pro
ATI X1800XL with Zalman CU700 cooler
Thermaltake Tsunami Case 1x120 intake, 1x90 intake, 2x120 Exhaust
2x WD Caviar Sata IIs in a RAID 0
Thermaltake TR-2 500W PS

Nuthin bad, but for some reason I can't score anything in 05.... I wonder if I'm missing something in the way my PC is setup.

I installed The Cat 5.11 drivers and WDM drivers but didn't install CCC. I have no other ATI services running other then ATITool and 18 other Windows processes. I have ATI tool setup like this:

GPU 625/RAM 652
Volts 1.220/1.98/1.97
Idle = 42 / Load = 60

In my Bios, I have my PCI-E speed set to stock and am adding .1 Volts to the PCi bus for stability.

Im seeing this more often, that intel based systems don't score as high as AMD's...althought u have a nice overclock on CPU. Have u tried setting ur ram to 3-4-4-9?
Also make sure ur PCI-E is on X16.

Also make sure u have AA and AF off.

[M Diddy]

Im seeing this more often, that intel based systems don't score as high as AMD's...althought u have a nice overclock on CPU. Have u tried setting ur ram to 3-4-4-9?
Also make sure ur PCI-E is on X16.

Also make sure u have AA and AF off.


I won't even attempt to tighten up the RAM. Running 4-4-4-8 at 720 MHZ is as good as it'll go....

CPU-Z says PCI-e is 16X, so that's not it either. I also run the tests with just the default settings, the 3D tests and the 2 CPu tests, nothing else. I think I just have to eat my score and deal with it....

[mR Yellow]

I won't even attempt to tighten up the RAM. Running 4-4-4-8 at 720 MHZ is as good as it'll go....

CPU-Z says PCI-e is 16X, so that's not it either. I also run the tests with just the default settings, the 3D tests and the 2 CPu tests, nothing else. I think I just have to eat my score and deal with it....

Bud, the only thing i can think of is..drivers/mobo and it being a intel?

[Gnerma]

Hi guys. New breed of loser reporting (X1300 Pro user). First off I'd like to say thanks for all the good work w1zzard. Your little app is part of my arsenal whenever I am dealing with ATi video cards :respect:

Using beta 10, I'm having a few major hang-ups on this new part. First and foremost is that attempting to change memory clock to any degree results in a thourougly locked up ATITool. It is killable however. Task manager shows that after it locks up it is using all available CPU cycles even if I attempt a clock change without the 3d window running.

Second, I of course have to use the alternative scanning method for the same reason that all the other X1x00 users have mentioned. That being the primary scanning method exhibits permanent yellow artifacts as in the earlier posted screenshot.

This might be wishful thinking on my part but have you not implemented temperature or fan control on these cards yet? If that is the case I'd be happy to help out if you don't have any of these 4 pipe speed demons at your disposal although the fact that CCC doesn't give me a temp reading isn't making me very hopeful that a diode is present on this thing at all :shadedshu Here is what I get when starting the app:


ATITool v0.25 Beta 10 started.
Successfully connected to driver, version 123
Found ATI device: 0x1002 0x7142 bus 5 dev 0
fbPhy: 0xD0000000, mmrPhy: 0xFE2F0000.
mmapped mmr to 0xE40000
BIOS at 0xC0000
mmapped bios to 0xE50000
GB_TILE_CONFIG:1010011
4 pipes
LM63 temp chip detection: failed (0x0)
F75373 temp chip detection: failed (I2C)
Temperature monitoring: Not detected
VT1103 chip detection: failed (0x0)
Device initialized successfully

One last thing. I got the impression from earlier posts that this should be functional on all X1000 but I'm seeing the same behavior as an X800 user (at least regarding the Minimum step value I'm not sure what the divider value is about so I have no idea if it is correct or not):

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1903/atitoolminstepbug8sa.png

[willbradfan]

Im a kinda a noob with this ati tool but are u suppose to have CCC installed when running Ati Tool cuz ive tried playing games with it and it always seems to lockup or freeze my comp or game. Im using the x1800xt 512mb.

[SPHERE]

for some reason in win 2k i cant get the option for adaptive aa on my x850 :( its there but its grayed out it works in xp on the same comp though

[mR Yellow]

@ W1zzard,

Do u know for sure that artifact testing (im using old method) is working on the X1800?
Cause im getting artifacts at default speeds...i even underclocked the card to 400mhz and it still detects arties :confused:

Ah well, these XL's are weird. Confirmation from u will be appreciated!

Thanx

[andyr2005]

Just been chatting with W1zzard, appears a file is missing from Beta 10, will be updated in the next release/update.

[mR Yellow]

Just been chatting with W1zzard, appears a file is missing from Beta 10, will be updated in the next release/update.

What sort of file u talking about?

[andyr2005]

It's the ATITool.exe.manifest file, not critical for tool, just for cosmetics on Windows XP systems.

[GeeForce11]

I just built my PC a few weeks ago, and i have a hard time with my Sapphire RX1800XL. DFI LP NF4, A64 X2 3800+ @ 2.65GHz 1.55V, OCZ 2x1GB @ 240MHz 3-3-3-10 2.9V, ...

I wasn't able to overclock my video card. I tried the Catalist overclock menu, without much success. I hit 550 core and it was giving GPU recover errors. Even at 525 core got GPU recovers. I wasn't able to overclock the RAM at all. GPU recover @ 525 :( I noticed when i was trying to overclock the RAM 3D05 was getting lower and lower :banghead: Stock 3D05 score is 7250, max is 7650 @ 550/500. I heard other people had much better overclocks :confused: The card was running hot in the 90s, even on idle the fan kicked in high speed on desktop, I thought the HSF doesn't make good contact. I took it apart, everything was OK and put AS, same thing. I RMA'd the card, and waiting for a replacement ina few days.

Before I sent it back i tried ATITool 0.25b10. First it was showing artifacts at stock speed, but they dissapeared after I checked the compatible scanning in the scanning menu. It was overclocking the card without artifacts, but the card got unstable. When it reached 560+ core the desktop started flickering and GPU recover... When RAM reached 525+ flickering on desktop and GPU recover :banghead: ATITools runs only right after install. If I reboot it says some driver missing and windows closes it for illegal operation :banghead: I think it needs some heavy updating... What is the highest and safe GPU Core and Vmem you guys would use X1800XL with stock HSF in the long run and get a nice OC ?

[Flashnc]

you have to manually overclock..and also, it would be advisable to up your voltages before you over clock very far..( in the mem settings, at top, drop down list...) safe voltages are 1.2-1.225.........1.2.......1.2

first start your overclock@ about 550 core and 550 mem....then load it.

dont worry about artifact scanning......if all goes well..go to 575/575 then load it...if all goes well try to run say 3dm5 to test....watch TEMPS!!!!

then go from there in increments of 5 till unstable.

also...it would be advisable to have a fan to blow under the card upwards to cool the ram...that will help some...but your card is hot in my opnion...get some air flow to that machine!!! lol if neccesary, take off side panel and see if that helps temps..if it does?? then you need better airflow in your case

[CrazyOtter]

Hey W1zzard, is this something you can test:

After overclocking I returned to default speeds and voltages. I noticed that the temps remained slightly higher than before the overclocking session. Thinking the ambient temps might just be warmer I thought nothing of it. Then I rebooted and once in windows noticed that the temps were cooler again.
I overclocked everything again, and returned everthing to default. Once again the temps stayed a bit high.

So I opened the ATI Overclocker Util and it showed the GPU voltage still at 1.2, while it was showing in ATI Tool as 1.075.
I rebooted again and Overclocker now showed as 1.1 (close enough I suppose)....temps were cool again.

Could it be that there might be a problem reducing the voltages?

This was with a X1800XL.

[GeeForce11]

TX for the tips.

I forgot to specify exactly. Temps were reported in the 90s in the catalist overclocking menu and in the 70s by ATITool in the same time. I guess the ATI driver was reading wrong temps... Also the fastest fan speed reported by ATITool was 73%. This was pretty loud already. Maybe it's a glitch? Maybe it's fixable with ATITool manual fan control...

So 1.2-1.25 Vgpu and 1.2Vmem is a safe bet?

Why does ATITool work only after installation, and not if I reboot?

I'll see how the new card will do in a few days, but if i just changed the speed to 550/550 got flickering on desktop and GPU recover shortly. Even for that speed i would of needed more volts? I think i just got a bad card before :banghead:

[CrazyOtter]

A typo there I think:

1.225
2.0 - 2.1
1.9 - 2.0

Mine overclocks nicely using 1.225-2.0-1.9


Oh, try overclocking with your FSB/HTT at default 200mhz. I've had stability problems running GPU benchmarks with 210x14, but no issues at all running 200x14.5

[GeeForce11]

TX CrazyOtter for the tip :)

I have 10X multi locked X2 3800+ CPU. The only way to overclock my CPU is by 265MHz FSB, I wish i could change to 200x13.5 :)

[M Diddy]

Just so you guys know, ATI released Cat 5.12 today!!!

[mR Yellow]

TX for the tips.

I forgot to specify exactly. Temps were reported in the 90s in the catalist overclocking menu and in the 70s by ATITool in the same time. I guess the ATI driver was reading wrong temps... Also the fastest fan speed reported by ATITool was 73%. This was pretty loud already. Maybe it's a glitch? Maybe it's fixable with ATITool manual fan control...

So 1.2-1.25 Vgpu and 1.2Vmem is a safe bet?

Why does ATITool work only after installation, and not if I reboot?

I'll see how the new card will do in a few days, but if i just changed the speed to 550/550 got flickering on desktop and GPU recover shortly. Even for that speed i would of needed more volts? I think i just got a bad card before :banghead:

Did u use the drivers that came with the cd? If so ur temp reading will be wrong!
Theres nothing wrong with ur card...even i have to add volts once i go over 540mhz on GPU.

My current OC is
GPU - 540 / 1.2v
MEM - 700 (1400) / 2.2v/2.0v
This give me 8350 in 05.

This oc is arti free in ATiTool for atleast 2min...but im not sure if i can trust ATiTool yet as all X1800 users report it as faulty.

Just so you guys know, ATI release Cat 5.12 today!!!

w00t :rockout:

[deathman20]

With the release of 5.12's I've been able to clock slightly higher and also have the same temps even with a slightly adjusted voltage.

630/711 w/ 1.225/2.154/2.004V

Before my max was 1.2V on core, but now I can't get my memory as high.. yet. Was having issues with it after a while running my 2.2V and 729Mhz on the memory.

But an increase in score though overall, about 100-150+ points that I've seen so far in 05 with the new drivers.

[deathman20]

GeeForce11: Don't trust CCC's readouts for temps. They seem to be finicky for actual tempature I've noticed. But also install 5.12's when you get a chance.

If your temps are really reading 90's I'd be worried. The cards good up through 80's but I think 90's is pushing it.

As for safe OC voltages to try. Seems 2.2V is the max on the memory, and I've tried higher with very very little gains, but it doesn't seem to help overall. The I/O voltage keep it at or lower then the memories main voltage. It helps sometimes higher then stock for stability. I found out at least on mine, textures getting screwed up right away means add more voltage to the memory, or clock down. But sometimes I get thse big white patch blobs on the screen here and there, that means add more I/O voltage, or start clocking downwards also.

As for core voltage thats the trickiest thing in the OC. Its picky very picky. Some cards can take the higher Vcore of the XT's but yet some have hard time passing 1.125-1.25V without it artifacting instantly on default clocks. Mine is somewhere between 1.2 and 1.225V for stable voltages on the core. 1.25 will go for a little while but artifacts over time, 1.275 instantly shows artifacts in any 3D view, and will lock the system if your not quick enough to close it. But theres a lucky few that can hit higher, might be a tempature thing might not but I know mine runs in the mid 50's under load so it can't be that much of a tempature issue.

[OBR]

X2 4800@2800Mhz + 5.12Cat +Ati Overclocker +X1800XT@729/855 (1.5V,2.2V) = 10552 3dmarks.

[GeeForce11]

TX guys for all your input to help me :toast:

I'll get the new card in the middle of the week. I sent it back because i thought it was unstable, but maybe i'll get a better one this time :) Even with no voltage increase it should of overclocked more than 525/510 :ohwell: I had the driver from the CD, but i'll install 5.12 when I get it. What's the voltage on the X1800XT GPU? 1.5V? I think it's almost the same chip, so theoreticly it should be able to go to the same Vgpu, maybe the cooling is not up to that...

[Humanoid_1]

Just thought I'd throw some experiences in...

with the Omega 5.10a's using ATI's OC to on my HIS X1800XL with stock volts my card runs perfectly at 625/750 1600/1200 4x AA 8x AF whatever game with no visible artefacts.

With the 0.25 b10's, using the find max clock tool, it immediately found visible artefacts (little off colour patches about 1x3mm ish - somewhat random shape + location on fuzzy cube, but no bigger) and started underclocking, which I stopped at 475 core.

Not 100% sure this utility caused it, but:

when I tried manually setting the clocks to 625/750 (fine with ATI's OC util) with the sliders it crashed my rig which upon restarting was unstable...

on next restart it would not find NTLDR - ( short vers --> ) 1 in 10 successful windows logins later and intermittent VERY corrupt bios screen, reflashed MB bios with latest beta no more problem. (very sure same bios version would have worked just as well, but wanted to try latest one)

Had been running my rig 150MHZ below a completely stable point at time (folding 24/7 + prime 1M stable at the higher OC) + no problems B4 or after trying a manual OC with ATI-Tool makes me pretty certain...

Not complaining, just wanted to make you aware of this in case more people have this problem.

Excellent utility, really looking forward to this working great :D



possibly of interest - ATI OC util no longer works with the 5.12's on my system, just crashes the system (still works on the Omega 5.10a's). Going to wait for next ATI-Tools version B4 next OC attempt as can't afford to loose this machine as it's also my work machine.

The 5.8's which came with the card had accessible CCC but @ idle ran my card 15.4c hotter than any of the other drivers I tried. (according to extrenal temp probe)
The 5.10, Omega 5.10a's and 5.11's had no acceccible CP or CCC so no access to the nice features.

Finally the 5.12's work with an accessible CCC. OC'ed the CS:S chain link fences would bring my FPS from 50 - 60ish down to 7 -10ish.
Now with the 5.12's, no OC, same settings as above, but using Adaptive AA + HQ AF the same chain link fences take FPS from 70 - 80ish down to 50ish!!!

Very impressive, now can't wait to see how she OC's :D

System:

DFI LanParty UT RDX200CF-DR Crossfire
Opteron 144 @ 2457MHz 1.45vcore
Crucial 2GB (2x1GB) DDR PC4000 Ballistix @ 273MHz 3,4,4,10 1t
HIS X1800XL @ 625/750 with stock volts
Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 NCQ 300GB
Seasonic S12 500W Silent

[pheoniXfury]

Hey everyone...first post here.

got my X1800XL a few weeks ago...waited for an OC tool for about a week and started playing around with .25 beta 9... Decided that the Arti. scan was messed for these cards so I went to do things manually.

I don't seem to be able to go above 1.175v initially(anything above locks up...as if the card is somehow programmed to reset when vcore is +10%...but this shouldn't be as I've seen many ppl hit 700+ on 1.225-1.25v...could also be a problem with my crossfire DFI board...)...at which time I played CS:Source for about 4 hours straight without problems running at ~ 620/640, vcore 1.75, vmem, 2.001, vmemio default. it was doing awesome, but the next day it seems that I could only do 600/600:wtf: and more recently I can't seem to up the voltage without things locking up and vpu recover kicking in.

I'm playing with beta 10 and CCC 5.12 now after switching to my LCD instead of my 1997 CRT (I had issues once with the old monitor on my 9800Pro where the system would crash shortly after booting...the fix was to go stock on that card...until my LCD came:confused: ) It's been doing a bit better since the switch...sitting at 600/600 - vcore 1.125v - vmem 1.947v.

*** :respect: To W1zzard...I tried the find max core and bumped into a little issue. I decided to leave and come back in an hour...but found that the system locked up. After a reboot, ATI tool reported that it had shut down improperly at a core clock of 732:eek: on stock volts. Further investigation told me that ATI tool kept putting the clock after vpu recover had kicked in!:twitch: infact...vpu recover must have kicked in 50 times in intervals of 20 seconds or so!!! Though no artifacts using the old scan method!


PS. for anyone with the X1000 series cards...it appears that many ppl are having issues with applying the clocks right after boot up (which I've experienced)...almost like it requires some warm up...like how we humans would need to stretch before marathons:wtf: Vcore seems to help mem clocks more than vmem. Memory on the X1800XL is 1.4ns...so it will push for 700 or more if u can get the core to take the juice.

[dracolnyte]

i just want to suggest some changes in the atiTool. there was this option to alternately display the temperatures of the cpu core and the environment core on the windows task bar, but it alternates with the same colours, making it pretty confusing to tell whether it was the temperature changing or was it alternating. so i was hoping that you guys would change the environment colour to blue or anything else but red when it is alternating between the two in your next version. Thanks

[konfuzd]

This has me very befuddled.

The maximum stable oc I've found for my X1800XL is 594 @ 1.150V core 648 @ 1.975V mem. I've gone up to 630 @ 1.20V core 657 @ 2.0V mem and never had any artefacts, but it locks up after a few minutes. My absolute highest temp at these speeds is 72C. I doubt that it's power since I have a silverstone zeus 650W SLI aproved PSU and my rails don't even move at 100% load. At first I thought there is some sort of a clock speed/voltage limiter in the bios of the XL, but simply reducing the speed/voltage doesn't do the trick. In order to regain stabillity, I have to load the default profile. Any ideas? Just for comparision if someone else has this problem, here are my specs:

Athlon X2 4200 @ 2.64GHz (240*11 @ 1.5V)
Asus A8N-E
2GB PQI RAM 2.5-3-3-8 2T 333 divider
Built by ATI X1800XL
Silverstone Zeus 650W continuous PSU

[CrazyOtter]

I'm starting to see a lot of people ber VERY different results with XLs.

Also, some people will get great results with ATI Tool, others with the ATI Overclocker util.

Have you tried benchmarking 594/648, to see what kind of improvements you get?

For example I can get a 3Dmark05 score of 8622 at a max clock of 607/738, using ATI Overclocker.
With ATI Tool I only obtain a max of 607/652, but my score is 9165.

[GeeForce11]

My conclusion is that ATITool rendering doesn't work right. It's either showing rendering errors all the time or in the old mode doesn't see rendering errors at all :( This is why find max core or mem doesn't work, because it doesn't realise when the card gets unstable, it keeps raising the speed forever or until GPU recover kicks in... I also realised that even if GPU recover kicks in, it keeps raising the speed until you manually stop it. It looks that you can raise the speed with ATITool, but you have to test stability yourself, beacuse it doesn't...

[pheoniXfury]

The overclocking tool from ATI messes with the memory timming I think. Most ppl get higher clocks with it but a low score over at XS. the overclocking tool from ATI doesn't even work on my card...the whole system reboots when I change something in there!!!

I don't know why but with a load temp of 52C - 1.175v - 630/693...it's fine for about 1/2 an hour but then it will crap out on me. This happens in ATI tool as well so I guess it's not the problem.

I noticed that the new scanning method yeilds lower frames...so I guess it's more GPU power now but I'm using the old method cus the scanning in the new one doesn't work properly. I'm getting 480AVG in it now but I think the card'll crash again.

[W1zzard]

can you guys with the x1800xt's try adding the following registry keys to your driver registry and see if it disables the 2d/3d clock stuff. make sure you use cat 5.12

GCORULE_ENABLEDYNAMICCLOCKSETTING DWORD 0
GCOHOOK_EnableGCOSetEvent DWORD 0
R520DynClk DWORD 0

[Overjet]

can you guys with the x1800xt's try adding the following registry keys to your driver registry and see if it disables the 2d/3d clock stuff. make sure you use cat 5.12

GCORULE_ENABLEDYNAMICCLOCKSETTING DWORD 0
GCOHOOK_EnableGCOSetEvent DWORD 0
R520DynClk DWORD 0


Sorry W1zzard, nice to meet u, :)
I've x1800xt.
Where is the driver registry to insert those lines ?!?
Waht's the entire path of regedit ?!?

[Overjet]

Sorry someone can help me ?!?
I don't find where insert these keys:

GCORULE_ENABLEDYNAMICCLOCKSETTING DWORD 0
GCOHOOK_EnableGCOSetEvent DWORD 0
R520DynClk DWORD 0

Thanks a lot.

[freebirdpat]

I have a 9800XT, with Cat 5.12. When using 0.25 Beta 10, my temps specifically the GPU temp setting is 20 degrees lower than what Catalyst Overdrive says it actually is.

[Overjet]

Sorry someone can help me ?!?
I don't find where insert these keys:

GCORULE_ENABLEDYNAMICCLOCKSETTING DWORD 0
GCOHOOK_EnableGCOSetEvent DWORD 0
R520DynClk DWORD 0

Thanks a lot.


quote.

[W1zzard]

I have a 9800XT, with Cat 5.12. When using 0.25 Beta 10, my temps specifically the GPU temp setting is 20 degrees lower than what Catalyst Overdrive says it actually is.

on the 9800xt the temp sensor is not inside the gpu. ccc just adds +20°c to the reading to "compensate" for this. i find this does not reflect the true gpu temperature, so i left this out in atitool

[infrared]

Hey w1z, i'm having some probs with the hotkeys on this beta... It won't let me update them...

Just thought i'd report the bug ;)

It's great though, i love that you can see the fan speed on the main window.

[Overjet]

Sorry someone can help me ?!?
I don't find where insert these keys:

GCORULE_ENABLEDYNAMICCLOCKSETTING DWORD 0
GCOHOOK_EnableGCOSetEvent DWORD 0
R520DynClk DWORD 0

Thanks a lot.

Sorry, someones knows where i have to insert these keys ?!?
What's the complete path of regedit ?!?

Thanks to all.

[Overjet]

Hey W1z,
I don't understand where i must add these lines in regedit:

GCORULE_ENABLEDYNAMICCLOCKSETTING DWORD 0
GCOHOOK_EnableGCOSetEvent DWORD 0
R520DynClk DWORD 0


Can u write the entire path of regedit ?!?

Thanks.

[Overjet]

Someone can help me to insert those lines ?!?

Please... :(

[Overjet]

can you guys with the x1800xt's try adding the following registry keys to your driver registry and see if it disables the 2d/3d clock stuff. make sure you use cat 5.12

GCORULE_ENABLEDYNAMICCLOCKSETTING DWORD 0
GCOHOOK_EnableGCOSetEvent DWORD 0
R520DynClk DWORD 0


Sorry i don't understand where i have to insert these key in drivers' registry.
Can u help me please.

Thanks.

[atomicpineapple]

Am I supposed to create them exactly as typed? or remove the DWORD bit? also do i create them as DWORD values, strings, binaries, or what?

[Overjet]

There's 3 likely places I think they could go in. 'could'.

before trying this, export the whole registry to a safe place.

Try putting all 3 entries in these locations:

HKEY_Local_Machine\Software\ATI technologies\installed drivers
HKEY_Local_Machine\Software\ATI technologies ltd\drivers

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1181/reg4ig.png

These are the only folders i can see that they'd go in.

Sorry for the long delay

Thanks a lot for help me.
I think to create new DWORD keys in these two paths:

HKEY_Local_Machine\Software\ATI technologies\installed drivers
HKEY_Local_Machine\Software\ATI technologies ltd\drivers

all right ?!? It'ok ?!?
i'll try and i will inform u about a functionally.


Thanks a lot so much for the support.

Thanks.

[W1zzard]

bzzzzt all wrong

you have to put it in a key like

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Video\{05D46EB1-B6BD-4A1E-8C10-04EF79C7F87E}\0000

the number part is system dependant..

go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Video and compare the strings Catalyst_Version and Device Description of each entry until you find the right one for your current driver

create the entries as dword values .. you have to add them, they are not there by default

[infrared]

Sorry overjet and atomicpinaple, guess I was a little off the mark!

[Overjet]

bzzzzt all wrong

you have to put it in a key like

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Video\{05D46EB1-B6BD-4A1E-8C10-04EF79C7F87E}\0000

the number part is system dependant..

go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Video and compare the strings Catalyst_Version and Device Description of each entry until you find the right one for your current driver

create the entries as dword values .. you have to add them, they are not there by default


i'll try immediatly.
stay tuned please :)

Thanks for all support guys ;)

[Overjet]

bzzzzt all wrong

you have to put it in a key like

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Video\{05D46EB1-B6BD-4A1E-8C10-04EF79C7F87E}\0000

the number part is system dependant..

go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Video and compare the strings Catalyst_Version and Device Description of each entry until you find the right one for your current driver

create the entries as dword values .. you have to add them, they are not there by default

Sorry w1zz i've not underftand this step: "and compare the strings Catalyst_Version and Device Description of each entry until you find the right one for your current driver"

Thisi is a screenshot of my regedit of this path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Video


http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3055/values8rs.th.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=values8rs.jpg)

Where i hwve to add the Dword values ?!?

Infrared no problem thanks to help me ;)

[atomicpineapple]

In all of the folders named 0000 theres a string called Catalyst_Version, find the folder where the Catalyst_Version is the same as the version you are currently using and create the DWORDs in there.

Must say that it didnt work for me, even though I create the R520DynClk as a DWORD is changes to a binary value after I reboot. Not sure if thats stopping it working. Heres a screenie of my registry if it helps anyone. [img=http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8569/reg6yy.th.jpg] (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reg6yy.jpg)

[Overjet]

In all of the folders named 0000 theres a string called Catalyst_Version, find the folder where the Catalyst_Version is the same as the version you are currently using and create the DWORDs in there.

Must say that it didnt work for me, even though I create the R520DynClk as a DWORD is changes to a binary value after I reboot. Not sure if thats stopping it working. Heres a screenie of my registry if it helps anyone. [img=http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8569/reg6yy.th.jpg] (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reg6yy.jpg)

I find it but it's not work :(
R520DynClk changes to binary also for me after reboot.
See the image:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3699/values5ii.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=values5ii.jpg)


How can i resolve this bug ?!?
Sorry but with beta11 this bug is resolved ?!?

Thanks.

[Overjet]

Sorry guys,
When beta11 will realase ?!?
Is there some date to be announced ?!?

Thanks.

[deathman20]

Sorry guys,
When beta11 will realase ?!?
Is there some date to be announced ?!?

Thanks.

When w1zzard feels like its done... No need to double post this.

[W1zzard]

what if you change the values in the r520dynclk binary value to all 0 ?

[Overjet]

what if you change the values in the r520dynclk binary value to all 0 ?

I'll try and i'll inform you immediatly.

[Jetfire]

I just got a Saphire Radeon X1800XL card and I was wondering if the cooling from my Reserator 1 would be enough, especially if I plan to raise the clock speeds to XT speeds

[atomicpineapple]

W1zzard, changed all binary values to 0 in R520DynClk key, it works, no clock or volt changes when running a 3d app!

However, when overclocking with ATITool (changed core volts to 1.45 and core freq to 730) voltages and clocks were set back to default when card ran 3d app.

Also looks like the binary values are reset to default after a restart.

[ahmad]

Hey W1zzard,

Tool worked great for me, but once I got my Opteron 170 installed, I started having problems.

For example, I try to OC the memory and it just hangs even if its just a few Mhz. I wasn't having this problem with my venice. Anyways, I switched back to ATITool 25 beta 9 and it doesn't have any problems.

Can you comment? Also I had to use the Old scanning method for beta10, but beta9 the regular scanning method works fine. Thanks.

Update: I close the 3d view then change the clocks and it works. Also, beta9 had the same problems I just didn't test it well enough.

[ahmad]

W1zzard, changed all binary values to 0 in R520DynClk key, it works, no clock or volt changes when running a 3d app!

However, when overclocking with ATITool (changed core volts to 1.45 and core freq to 730) voltages and clocks were set back to default when card ran 3d app.

Also looks like the binary values are reset to default after a restart.

I can comment on this.

If you enable overclocking in CCC, it will do this. Thats why you either have to shutdown CLI when overclocking, or remove CCC and reinstall it and don't enable the overclocking option.

[konfuzd]

This tweak is awesome!

Before applying it, I was stuck at 594 core and 648 mem. Now I'm at 621 core and 675 mem and still going.

To prevent things from resetting, try disabling ATIsmart in services.msc.

[W1zzard]

W1zzard, changed all binary values to 0 in R520DynClk key, it works, no clock or volt changes when running a 3d app!

However, when overclocking with ATITool (changed core volts to 1.45 and core freq to 730) voltages and clocks were set back to default when card ran 3d app.

Also looks like the binary values are reset to default after a restart.

so a possible fix would be if atitool sets these values to all 0 every time it changes the clocks?

[konfuzd]

Something else broke now. Even with this tweak and zero'ing out the R520DynClk setting out, it still freezes after a few beautiful, artifact free minutes at 639/675. There has to be another setting causing problems here.

W1zzard, as an answer to your question, no.

[konfuzd]

Something else broke now. Even with this tweak and zero'ing out the R520DynClk setting out, it still freezes after a few beautiful, artifact free minutes at 639/675. There has to be another setting causing problems here.

W1zzard, as an answer to your question, no.

[konfuzd]

Something else broke now. Even with this tweak and zero'ing out the R520DynClk setting out, it still freezes after a few beautiful, artifact free minutes at 639/675. There has to be another setting causing problems here.

W1zzard, as an answer to your question, no.

[GeeForce11]

TX guys for all your help and suggestions regarding my OC :toast:

I got the replacement Sapphire R X1800XL card and it overclocks like a champ. At 500/500 stock got 7450 3DM05 and went all the way up to 600/650 @ 1.125/2/2 and get 9000 3DM05 :roll:

The max temps i saw was 75 Celsius. if I raise the Vgpu any higher, ATITool errors out right away :( It seems that doesn't like to work even @ 1.15 Vgpu. Do you think it's a safe overclock for the long run, I don't want to end up with a burned video card in a few months...

[Upke]

Hello,

I've been using ATI Tool to overclock my Sapphire Radeon X1800XL. The overclocking itself is working fine but there seems to be a problem with the 2D/3D mode switch. I've set up 2 profiles. One overclocked 3D profile and one underclocked 2D profile. I've set fan speeds accordingly. (3D 100%, 2D based on temperature) Now this works, but in 1 out of 4 tries it locks up. My game just freezes. This happens with AoE3, WoW, BF 2. It is random and I'm not sure what's causing this. Perhaps you have some insight into it? Currently I'm forced to run @ overclocked mode at all times due to the lock ups.

Oh and sometimes when I change clocks and open the 3D window my monitor goes into standby mode. Its really weird. I need to reboot to get back into windows. I thought I solved it by increasing core voltage, but I was wrong. Any thoughts on this too?

Thanks

[GeeForce11]

Me personally didn't see such behaviour. How do you check 2D/3D mode and adjustments it's made? How do you switch modes? Sorry for my stupidness, just never had to do anything with these before...

[Upke]

Well the way I understand it something in the hardware, or the drivers detects a heavy load on the GPU, because its entering in a 3D mode. It needs to go to work. Now, as far as I know currently the 3D and 2D clocks on the R1800XL are the same. But I've created 2 profiles in ATI Tool and set it so in the options menu that when 3D mode is detected it loads the overclocked profile, and when 3D mode is exited it loads up 2D (underclocked mode) But something during the switching is going wrong, what, I don't know.

Btw GeeForce11 is your overclock on a stock cooler?

[GeeForce11]

Oh OK... I thought so too :)

I'm running on stock cooler :)

Where can you download the "Overclocker" program, i would like to try it out?

[Upke]

You mean Driverheavens tool? (At driverheaven ;) )

The profile stuff is obviously in ATI Tools.

[dookiedudepunk]

Yeah um i have a 7500(yeah i know im a failure in the graphics card area : /, it runs counter-strike 1.6 just fin ethough!) and im finding max core, its been running for 12 hours and its on no errors for 500(still going up) and its going on and on. Is that normal for my card, i read a report saying it only took 4? Please help a noob out :D

O yeah one more thing should i upgrade me stock cooler? If so what do u guys recomend, not water, but a better than stock cooler?

[Upke]

On a Radeon 7500? Don't bother upgrading the stock cooler. That card is so old anyway.

[dookiedudepunk]

Yeah um but should it take that long? :confused:

[GeeForce11]

I wanna try out the ATI Overclocker and see how it compares to ATITool. I couldn't find it on driverheaven.net :( Does anyone know a direct link, cause all i found is drivers and utilities, no OC Tool :(

[dookiedudepunk]

Yeah ok now its NO Errors for 694 and its been goin for 15 hours and 5 minutes. Is this ok? I have a 7500 and stock cooling if thats relivent.:confused:

[Upke]

That can't be right. 600 Mhz core on a Radeon 7500. No way. Stop the program immidiatly!

[dookiedudepunk]

How should i overclock it then? I can set the dials up to like 890 each(as far as i trust it) and it doesnt have any errors

[Upke]

Well the default clockspeed is 250 Mhz, and I'm not so sure how high it can overclock. I guess you need to search the web for that.

[W1zzard]

I wanna try out the ATI Overclocker and see how it compares to ATITool. I couldn't find it on driverheaven.net :( Does anyone know a direct link, cause all i found is drivers and utilities, no OC Tool :(

in our downloads section

[GeeForce11]

TX W1zz, sorry for being soo blind :o I was looking in the wrong place :banghead:

Is GPU burn in working with the video cards? For example i'm @ 1.125V, anything higher errors out... maybe if i use it like this for a few weeks, after that i'll be able to up the voltage and maybe get higher clocks than 600? I see other people with 2/2.2V :rolleyes: If i would be able to up the volts i should hit 700, since it's rock stable @ 600 with 1.125V :)

[W1zzard]

can the x1800xt users please try killing the ati2evxx.exe process via taskmanager .. the 2d/3d mode switch should be gone then

[Kendo]

Is there any way of completely disabling the overclocking functionality of atitool?, I just want to use atitool to control the fan speeds and monitor temps.

[W1zzard]

Is there any way of completely disabling the overclocking functionality of atitool?, I just want to use atitool to control the fan speeds and monitor temps.

yes dont use the overclocking functions

[Upke]

can the x1800xt users please try killing the ati2evxx.exe process via taskmanager .. the 2d/3d mode switch should be gone then

Does that mean there is no 3D/2D mode switch for the X1800 XL right now?

[Kendo]

yes dont use the overclocking functions

Thanks for the reply, for some reason its as soon as it is installed, without me changing any options it interferes with the clocks and sets my x1800s 2d to 475. And then the CCC stops applying the 3D clocks once a game is started.

I might try removing drivers etc and doing it all from scratch.

[Kendo]

After removing all drivers and ATITool it's now working fine.

The temp/fan monitoring is quality btw.

Am using it to keep my x1800xt (flashed with PE bios) cool as the default fan speeds were crap.

Thanks again.

[EfrainMan]

What are the problems people are having with the tool? I have a x1800xt and once I kill CLI.exe, overclocking works perfectly. Then I set the clocks in Overdrive and, again, it works perfectly. I don't use fan control because I watercool the card. Is it the voltage control or the 3D detection?

[konfuzd]

What if the problem is CCC's interpreting the overclocked settings in atitool as the 2d settings and simply applies the stock 3d speeds when a 3d application is detected. It could just be that we need to find where the 3d speeds are stored and overide them with the atitool settings.

Basically, just set the 2d and 3d settings to the same thing.

[M Diddy]

Hey guys! Cat 5.13's are out!!! It's Avivo time!!! :rockout: :rockout:

[Overjet]

Hey guys! Cat 5.13's are out!!! It's Avivo time!!! :rockout: :rockout:


Just installed... Yesterday :)

[Spires]

Heya guys... I went and got my Xmas gift (for myself heheh). I just got an Xfire MASTER card! I now have a spiffy Crossfire setup going on here! I just did a quick and dirty install and get go, I was too excited to do anything else heheh... I just ran a fast 3dmark03 and scored an easy 30k with no overclocking or tweaks. I need downlod 05 now to see where this thing goes.

Couple of requests for a future ATItool. I would LOVE to see the temp display alternate or display side by side between the two cards. I notice one is 3 degrees above the other when I swap cards. Also, I have two fatal1ty coolers slapped on the cards, and I clipped the default connector on the coolers to some small ones that fit on the ATI cards, so now I can control them with ATItool. Works slick. I am assuming that the fan/voltage controls work on both cards if I switch the the device window to the other card eh? (You there Wizz? 8))

Anyone ever figure out the clock speed selection? I just get a black screen when I try to overclock.

[dancinpuck]

i was wondering (this goes for all overclocking, not just gpu's) if there are any dangers to cards besides overheating to look out for when overclocking and raising voltages. b/c when i oc'ed my evga 7800gtx to 513/1280 :) (stock 470/1200), the temp didnt change at all, but im afraid to go higher since the card is so expensive.:confused: and i dont wanna blow it up or somethin.

One other thing, can ATI tool modify 7800gtx gpu voltages? (this is probably answered so if it is W1zzard, feel free to call me a retard)

[Spires]

Doh, hard to get fan control for both cards. When ATItool is loaded up, it only sets fan speed for one card. I crapped out on occasion. I found that I had to switch cards and manually set the other to 100%.

[W1zzard]

Beta 11 http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=7103