0.25 Beta 12

[W1zzard]

- Added support for X1900 Series
- Added voltage change support for VDDCI on R580
- Fixed Adaptive AA checkbox enabled on NVIDIA
- Improved detection for "2D/3D switch enabled"
- Some debugging output removed
- Fixed negative ranges for temp. monitoring graph
- Added Yes/No question to disable 3D switch dialog
- More fixes to hotkey code
- Shift key is no longer required to display the fuses info
- Added longer delay after voltage change from profile, also put clock change as last change

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/220

[smogg]

good job :)

[imod]

Thanks for new version Wizzard.

[mR Yellow]

w0000t :toast:
Thanx W1zzard! ;)

BTW Did u get the G15 support working?

[W1zzard]

no the emulator didnt start "cant load emulator, exiting"

[mR Yellow]

no the emulator didnt start "cant load emulator, exiting"

Ahh man :cry:
I don't know what to say...maybe someone one the forum will know how too (im a n00b when it comes to programming :o ).

Have u tried asking Logitech or this site http://www.g15forums.com/forum/
U could also create a post, asking for help?

[Wildstaroct]

Great program, used it w/ my 9800Pro and now my GTX.

One issue though...when running max core w/ beta12, detection of artis doesn't stop the current run and roll back the clock. I can see the yellow pixels (artis) in the 3D view, but the test doesn't stop. I came back to my PC during a heatup phase and there were artis everywhere. After the heatup phase, the timer just kept on ticking as if it didn't know there were artis and should start dialing clocks back.

This issue did not occur w/ beta10. Thanks.

[Rattle]

nice, my x1900xt will be here tomorrow, thanks w1zzard

[Overjet]

you're the number one wizzard ;)

[Erroneus]

I'm getting the 2D/3D clocks information popup with my X800 XT PE card?

So far i understand, the x800 series card runs with the same MHZ all the time and are not using a 2D/3D clock or ??

Anyway, i chosed no :)

[SPHERE]

good job man :)

[tvdang7]

does this fix antyhting for the x1800?

[RejZoR]

Excellente! Hotkeys are working again :)

[W1zzard]

Excellente! Hotkeys are working again :)

test it thoroughly .. i _hope_ everything is working now .. this hotkey stuff has been giving me nightmares :)

[leo5111]

does this fix the 1600xt?....thanx:toast:

[paul71]

Hi I'm Andrea from Italy I have a problem with beta 11 and also this version of Ati tool.

I have a sapphire X1800XT with OC bios and Catalyst 6.1
The problem is: after Atitool load default profile on startup in 3d applications the core freq switch from 599 to 556 instead of 700 while the memory freq is correct and when I exit 3d application the core frequency drop to 475. I cannot deactivate the 3d switch service because the card crash with red flash or green raw on all the screen when ati tool load a profile for 3d. Temp is ok, I tuned the duty cicle of the fan to drop the temperature under 75 degree on full load.

Thanks
Andrea

[pheoniXfury]

One thing I'd like to point out W1zzard.

What about a means to return to default speed/voltage?

The delay is very well done for going up, but I've had issues comming back down. It's a hasle to come down on the core and then try to get back to the right voltage. I've tried to save the default voltage with the default profile but that means dropping voltage before clocks...and I remember video getting corrupted a few times.

Maybe if Vcurrent < Vnew then change voltage first and vice versa?

[RejZoR]

W1zzard, can you tell me which NVIDIA cards does ATiTool support for overclocking?
Just GeForce 6 and above or also everything as far back to GeForce 2 ?
I made a guide on NVIDA overclocking using your tool and i need info about this.
Thx

[W1zzard]

W1zzard, can you tell me which NVIDIA cards does ATiTool support for overclocking?
Just GeForce 6 and above or also everything as far back to GeForce 2 ?
I made a guide on NVIDA overclocking using your tool and i need info about this.
Thx

i'm not 100% sure myself .. i know it works on all 6200/6600/6800.

[W1zzard]

One thing I'd like to point out W1zzard.

What about a means to return to default speed/voltage?

The delay is very well done for going up, but I've had issues comming back down. It's a hasle to come down on the core and then try to get back to the right voltage. I've tried to save the default voltage with the default profile but that means dropping voltage before clocks...and I remember video getting corrupted a few times.

Maybe if Vcurrent < Vnew then change voltage first and vice versa?

now thats a good idea i'll do this asap

[dancinpuck]

this is not a huge deal but with beta 12 and my evga 7800gtx, the "3d view" display is jittery. It still shows the correct fps and everything, but the box does rotate smoothly at all.

[W1zzard]

any volunteers who have the profile crash when loading the voltage? i think i have it fixed

http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/ATITool_0.25b12a.exe

[RejZoR]

i'm not 100% sure myself .. i know it works on all 6200/6600/6800.

Ok, i'll ask few users to try ATiTool GF4 Titanium and GF FX and then report back...

[EastCoasthandle]

any volunteers who have the profile crash when loading the voltage? i think i have it fixed

http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/ATITool_0.25b12a.exe

W1Z,

Could you please give the ATI users the same interface as your setup for the Nvidia users regarding 2D/3D setup (Core/Mem both in 2d & 3d...would also like voltages on the same page as well). It's so much easier that way as you don't have to click, tab and pull 3d settings. I would like to only do my changes for 3d when using my x1800xt but its rather difficult the way you have it setup now. Please?

[W1zzard]

i am aware of the issues but the way it works right now is the best i can do at the moment ..

[fuziwuzi]

does atitool allow overclocking on the x1800xt yet

[zcubed]

hey i just upgraed from an ati 9600xt to a nvidia 6800GS(i know im an ati traitor:P). but nvidia cards have no nice overclocking utility and i just noticed that the beta supports nvidia cards now as well which makes me happy:) .i was just wondering if it would work with a new card like the 6800GS which just came out like 2 months ago. also why dont u rename tha application so it doesnt look like its only for ATI cards. it would probably become as popular as rivatuner then.

[W1zzard]

suggest a good name

[W2hCYK]

yay it fixed the error with my ATI card reading as an Nvidia, with the 2d/3d mode selection

thanks w1zzard!

**Have a contest for the new name like you did with the logo! is the logo one done yet?

I think the name should be Overclock-w1zzard with a little wand in the backround for the logo.... haaha

[zcubed]

hmmm how about overdrive tool, or overburn tweaker, or simply clock enhancer. im not very creative haha. im sure someone can think of something. btw this beta works great with the 6800GS thanks!

[Concorde Rules]

X1900 Series support isnt quite there yet!

Its reading the 2D clocks instead of the 3D clocks and voltages.

Iif I set 3D clocks It messes up and I have to restart. Brand new install, so I dont know what can be wrong! Im not daring touching the core until I know the 3D speeds/voltages are recognised properly!

Thanks Conc

[dancinpuck]

ok with beta 12a version, it crashes whenever i open the 3d view now "could not load fur effect". then gives me this error

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4839/error4zt.png (http://imageshack.us)

(its a evga 7800gtx NV47)

[W1zzard]

i fixed the download .. redownload it

[dancinpuck]

well the 3d view works again :) But it is still really jittery like before.

[Rattle]

I have no use at all with x1900xt, cant set any clocks...

fan speed and monitor works though.

[M Diddy]

W1zzard,

Still getting crashes when I set my OC profile back to default.. Any luck looking at the profile I sent you with version 11??? I think it has to do with the delay in voltage change when switching back to stock. I never had this problem with 10 and 11 is when it came up....

Please let me know what you find...

[BIOHazard87]

Great program, used it w/ my 9800Pro and now my GTX.

One issue though...when running max core w/ beta12, detection of artis doesn't stop the current run and roll back the clock. I can see the yellow pixels (artis) in the 3D view, but the test doesn't stop. I came back to my PC during a heatup phase and there were artis everywhere. After the heatup phase, the timer just kept on ticking as if it didn't know there were artis and should start dialing clocks back.

This issue did not occur w/ beta10. Thanks.
same problems with me and my x850 pro vivo AGP :(

[W1zzard]

could anybody who has the voltage crashes contact me on instant messenger please

[RejZoR]

Will we ever see voltage and timings controls for NVIDIA cards?

[spyke]

a editor bios for x1800 it exists?
thanks you, excuse to me but I do not speak English
by, spyke@ita:)

[W1zzard]

a editor bios for x1800 it exists?
thanks you, excuse to me but I do not speak English
by, spyke@ita:)

this is the wrong place to ask, we have a video card forum

no it doesnt exist, and it's highly unlikely that it will exist, ati uses a digital signature in their bios on all x1000 cards

[spyke]

ok, sorry.

[pheoniXfury]

lol...clock enhancer...sounds like one of them s3x enhancing pills...:laugh:

M Diddy...ur problem is due to the clocks being set a fraction of a second after the voltage...which was to make sure things doesn't crap out when loading profiles...going down with a profile means lowering voltage before clocks which yeilds an instant crash in many cases.

I'm sure w1zzard is probably finished with the fix for this...:toast:

for the X1900 series...I think it should be working. Sampsa over at XS is using 5.12 to clock the X1900XTX that he got recently.

[OBR]

This version of Atitool doesnot work correctly wit X1800XT and X1900XT! Same problem like old atitool betas, if you set some new frequencies, run 3dmark, 3dmark finished but frequencies are on default low level and score is crapy.

[Concorde Rules]

This version of Atitool doesnot work correctly wit X1800XT and X1900XT! Same problem like old atitool betas, if you set some new frequencies, run 3dmark, 3dmark finished but frequencies are on default low level and score is crapy.


Yep, ATi Tool is only detecting 2d Clock speeds, nice when you want to clock in 3D.

Fix please!! I dont want to change the 2D clocks.

Thanks Conc

[W1zzard]

it seems that switching clock speed under 3d load crashes the x1800 (happens when profile is auto switched)

[pheoniXfury]

I don't have an XT personally but I think there's something in Catalyst 6.1 that's killing the "2D/3D switch disable" that was implemented into ATI Tool...and some other stuff may also be broken as well.

Everyone with an XT card are having issues with ATI Tool after going 6.1 I think.

[sadako1]

I've got problems with Call of Duty II when OCed to my max stable settings and even when I bring the clocks down to well inside its limits. When the game starts the screen just scrambles and I end up with a lovely green and white pinstripe screen to look at, which doesn't resolve. Also a problem carried over from beta 11, a pop-up appears telling me that 'process could not be terminated' which is something to do with ATI software. I might role back to 11 to see if the same problem occurs with CoD2.

All other games are cool. I tend to manually load my OC profile before starting a game to get around the auto-detect problems I've experienced. I also got a 3DMark05 score just shy of 10,000 which is pretty good, especially as I've got old sh*t box crucial RAM!

Damn good prog though! Love how easy it is to adjust pretty much every setting. Like the fan and voltage controls, too. I tweak in ATITool then adjust voltages in BIOS when I find a stable one.

I've also underclocked for when I'm not in heavy-duty 3D environments, again, switching manually between profiles. Speaking of which, I've seen that other people have problems when moving from their OC settings to lower clock speeds. I'm assuming that this is because the voltages change first and when a slower profile's selected it keeps the clocks the same and lowers the voltage (I've got custom voltages for all my profiles) and it can't support the high clock speeds. I've got around this by having a step-down profile with lower clocks and high voltages, then I switch to my low voltage/low clock speed profile. If this kind of thing can be done automatically in the next edition then it'd save me a few seconds (phew! What will I do with those seconds?!). I don't begrudge doing any of this as using the prog's given me ridiculous clock speeds of 722GPU and 819(1638)RAM on stock cooling! It looks super sweet on high detail in every game I've played on it so far.

Cheers W1zzard, I know it must take a lot of hard work and I thought you should know it's appreciated!

[-=SNIPER=-]

i have Sapphire X800 GTO Fireblade Edition, sense the the 025 Beta 11 and Beta 12 came out , both of them cant detect my temp reading , they showing it like zeros.

also when i overclock the GPU, ATI Tool Beta 11 & 12 crash the windows when it try to reach the max GPU clock, it must downclock when it show the artifacting not crash, the overclocking Memory got no problem.

any fixes for this??

[W1zzard]

http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/ATITool_0.25b12b.exe

possible fixes for artifact scanning and crash on 2d/3d mode switch

[dancinpuck]

umm i assume the new 3d view box is supposed to be a stationary triangle?

[sadako1]

Was thinking that myself dancinpuck!

Cheers for the post w1zzard - just trying it out now. Fingers crossed!

[Overjet]

http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/ATITool_0.25b12b.exe

possible fixes for artifact scanning and crash on 2d/3d mode switch


Great W1zzard ;)

I'll try immediatly :)

[RejZoR]

W1zzard, is it possible to add some sort of final dialog for auto frequency searching?
I think i saw that in ATi Tray Tool (not sure but no other tool ofers such feature).
Program was searching for it and when it was acveraging around the very same frequency it reported the average (probably). Now users have to decide on their own where is enough and which freq. they want to use. Just to make it even more simple.

EDIT:
Got first report that ATiTool worked with GeForce FX. Though i don't know the exact model.

EDIT2:
It was Point of View GeForce FX5500

Though he cannot get temperature sensor to work though FX cards should have it (friend had FX5200 and he had sensor on it visible in NV Control Panel).

[Gubben]

Wizzard, 25.12 works perfekt with my X1800XT no difference to 25.11
I have a X1900XTX tomorrow , is it 25.12b or 25.12 to begin with.
And tanks for the best OC tool its really great!!

[W1zzard]

yes the cube is replaced by a triangle .. initial testing suggests that the false positives are gone but the heat load is too small to be effective

[-=SNIPER=-]

http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/ATITool_0.25b12b.exe

possible fixes for artifact scanning and crash on 2d/3d mode switch

still iam having the same problem....

[pheoniXfury]

Subject = X1800XL BBATI

beta 12:

LOAD
@500/495/1.075/1.89/1.89
Tcore = 49C
Ttempchip = 31C
Tvoltreg = 58C
Igpu = 27.3A
Load maximum profile w/voltages = pass

LOAD
@630/693/1.175/2.236/2.149
Tcore = 53C
Ttempchip = 33C
Tvoltreg = 69C
Igpu = 38.2A
Load default profile w/voltages = fail

beta 12b:

LOAD
@500/495/1.075/1.89/1.89
Tcore = 48C
Ttempchip = 31C
Tvoltreg = 57C
Igpu = 24.5A
Load maximum profile w/voltages = pass

LOAD
@630/693/1.175/2.236/2.149
Tcore = 50C
Ttempchip = 32C
Tvoltreg = 65C
Igpu = 32.7A
Load default profile w/voltages = pass


sweet!!!...I can switch do default profile with default voltage all in one step now.
seems like the triangle needs some improvement though.

nice stuff w1zzard!!!:cool:

[M Diddy]

W1zzard,

12b fixed the problem of my card crashing when switching back to stock! As always, you rock!!!:rockout:

What was changed exactly???

[RejZoR]

yes the cube is replaced by a triangle .. initial testing suggests that the false positives are gone but the heat load is too small to be effective

W1zzard, i have an idea. I haven't seen this triangle in action, but i have seen fur cube.

Can you do a dual 3D window where fur cube just keeps core heated enough, while all artifact searching is done only on that triangle? Here is a quick scheme...

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8751/atitoolidea8on.gif

This way you'll get enough busy core for better heating up, while triangle will provide more precise artifact detection :)

[Vrgn86]

Hello, Option to save VGA bios is greyed out.

[W1zzard]

two renderers sounds like it would be worth a try

[RejZoR]

Just got report from some user with Gainward GeForce 6600 256MB PCI-E that ATiTool failed to work properly with his card. His frequencies were set to 0.0 (both core and memory) so he couldn't do a thing.

[mR Yellow]

http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/ATITool_0.25b12b.exe

possible fixes for artifact scanning and crash on 2d/3d mode switch

Thanx W1zzard, will give it a try.
Have u had any luck with the G15 yet?

[KennyT772]

yeah that would be some welcomed support but i think thats about of w1zz's field. go post on the g15 forums (http://www.g15forums.com/forum/) and ask for someone to work on it.

[pheoniXfury]

the change in 12b was to changed the voltage after the clocks when loading a profile with voltage less than current voltage.

The suggestion for 2 renderers is really good...why didn't I think of that?...lol :toast:

I've always questioned if we'd get the most heat if we're not putting 100% load on the core at all times. (too bad it won't help me much since my card just locks up if I go one more step up...no artifacts...then b00m!...lol)

[mR Yellow]

yeah that would be some welcomed support but i think thats about of w1zz's field. go post on the g15 forums (http://www.g15forums.com/forum/) and ask for someone to work on it.

W1zzard tried it and got the BSOD :banghead:
Maybe i should post there. :confused:

I just like the way fraps supports the G15. Have u noticed it?

W1zzard? What ur take...should i seek help at G15forums?

[sadako1]

sweet, don't have to use my voltage step-down profile any more, can just go from OC to underclocked in one easy step! Well done that man! Also, I've been able to push the card further with this build. Not sure if maybe it's the Catalyst 6.1 drivers or 12b but I'm getting 739*850 with my 1800XT and it plays so sweet! FEAR on (almost) max settings didn't drop below 40 fps. CoD2 seems to have been sorted out, too!

You really are a W1zzard!

[W1zzard]

i got the sdk to run in a vmware sandbox .. havent really played much with it because there are other priorities .. any wishes/ideas for how this g15 stuff should look like?

[RGP]

Hi,
ATI tool beta 12b did the trick for my x1800xt card, 3D Detection is working fine and the switch between 2D and 3D is working with out any lock ups or system hangs. Nice to have a working 3D detection and fan contorl with temp monitoring.

Thanks Wizzard, very nice work you do.

Later
RGP

[EastCoasthandle]

W1Z,

I notice that I don't get the popup screen everytime I run ATI TOOL (used only once per bootup). If it does not come up to disable CCC which file do I need to disable from windows task manager? Is it ati2evxx.exe [SYSTEM]??

[W1zzard]

yep it's ati2evxx.exe the popup should come once per bootup after which the process should be dead.

[KennyT772]

well if you really want to tinker with the g15 then a few ideas do come to mind..

-theres four buttons each could set a clock profile. or be used to switch between profile in use and temps. maby somthing like profile #1 & #2 then temps then well idk. it is possible to pack it all on the same screen the way it does for wmp. either way it would be sweet to have.

[zcubed]

I understand that the triangle is better at artifact scanning but i really need to check how hot the card gets when its under a full load and the cube did that really well. are u gonna give the two renderers a try?

[Mongo]

I'm using 0.25 Beta 12 (not a or b). By disabling ATI Hotkey Poller Service at Run:services.msc the Catalyst Overdrive won't initialize, and ati2evxx.exe stops loading. I can get my X1800XT overclocked, but increasing the voltages is a must. Good program. Thanks.

Currently running at 664.20 / 774 (Computer hangs at values above these with no artifacts apparant yet) Will try raising voltages again and see if I can get higher.

Voltages after first increase: 1.300, 2.108, 2.105

3DMark03: 17,883
3DMark05: 9539
3DMark06: 4361

Abit A8N-Fatility-SLI, AMD 4400+X2, 2x1Gig Corsair TwinX2048-3200C2, 2.5-3-3-6-1T,
Asus EAX1800XT 512MB, 600 Watt Aspire PSU

Sorry, but I have to leave and do more tweaking: Hah !

I am so brilliant, I bought this card at full price 2 days before the 1900s were released.

[Jodiuh]

I am so brilliant, I bought this card at full price 2 days before the 1900s were released.

Become more Mongo than you ever wanted to be...return it. Fry's has the X1900XT's in stock if you live by one. Instant gratification baby!

I bought 2 GTXs and they're both going back...Grrrrr.

[CrazyOtter]

RE: Naming suggestion

Yummy Overclock Utility - Tool

YOU - Tool


Don't start on me with the yummy word....do you KNOW how difficult is was to find any kind of Y word that would kinda fit?

[RejZoR]

W1zzardTool isn't that bad name i agree :) Or maybe OCTool.
It used to be ATiTool back in days when it supported Radeons only...

[RGP]

W1zzardTool isn't that bad name i agree :) Or maybe OCTool.
It used to be ATiTool back in days when it supported Radeons only...


Hi,
Yes W1zzardTool has a nice ring to it but staying with the same theme, AtiNV-Tool or NVAti-Tool would let users know it is for both with out too much research. Just my $.02 worth.

Later
RGP

[vit]

Hi all!
W1zzard that switches you gave me for silent install works perfect, but with updating from b8 to b12 (and b11 too) I've got another problem - fan control and temperature monitorring aren't working on my X800 GTO. Could u please give a link to download b8 again and/or fix it in b13?

[EastCoasthandle]

Hi,
Yes W1zzardTool has a nice ring to it but staying with the same theme, AtiNV-Tool or NVAti-Tool would let users know it is for both with out too much research. Just my $.02 worth.

Later
RGP
You get my vote, lets call it W1zzardTool and be done with it. :toast:

cheers

[M Diddy]

All of us on OC Forums are having a hell of a time OCing our X1900's... Just wondering if there's something we're missing?? Perhaps the fact that there isn't an "official" driver for the card yet???

We've disabled all the ATI services, shut down the processes, and still not one of us can get a decent OC. The only way we've been able to is Overdrive.

[southorn]

My problems (beta 12):

1. Change of profile (with decrease voltage from e.g. 1.3V to 1.1V) causes black screen.

2. My standard voltage indication in ATITool (X1800XL) is 1.075V/1.889V.
In my opinion X1800XL have 1.100V/1.900V Which value is real for my card?

Thanks for help...

(sorry for wrong core voltage)

[Jodiuh]

All of us on OC Forums are having a hell of a time OCing our X1900's...

Haha, after the hellish first card from allstarshop, I'm not even gonna "unlock" overdrive, lol!

AT-NV Tool for the name. Everybody likes Star Wars man :rockout: :rockout:

[svenska]

hi wizzard.

if someone like to you use profiles(like me) with gpu vcore increases and the 3d detection and you wanna switch from profile XXX to default (after closing any 3d proggie), the gpu vcore doesn't reset to default, it remains on the value adjusted before on the "oc" profiles.

OC1 profile.

650/770
GPU VC= 1.3

default:

600/700
GPU VC=1.75

but it still remains on 1.3.
could you fix it?

i'm not sure but i think there are some issues related to the ati overclocker tool. :???:

2nd:
the ati tool doesn't kill the ati2evxx.exe at all, only after i forced to show off the dialogs again.
after all this, i don't see any request though i leave unchecked the option to "never show this
dialog" again. i' confused. :)
this happens by starting from registry as well as manual.


btw:
du kommst aus stuttgart? :)

[EastCoasthandle]

I have theorized this before but I will offer it to the community for comment.
It is my opinion that these X1000 series cards work on a variable voltage environment. There is no set voltage but it fluctuates while in 3D. Thus, the reason why it's so hard to over clock.
Obtaining the proper voltage setting when oc'ing the core and mem appear to be random and there is no reasonable equation that would aid us in determining these voltages within a +/- 5% error. Although I get a higher Frame (once the option to recall OC settings at boot up is disabled then rebooting) my min. Frame Rates drop to the floor in BF2 as low as 20 FPS. Lets use this OC settings with Over clocker (X1800XT). For Example:
Disabling CCC by unloading ATI2EVXX.EXE.
Core 688
Mem 792
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xt4temps4.jpg
Without ATI2EVXX.EXE you clearly see that the Vreg dips are as low at 13.64A which I believe causes the low 20FPS in BF2.

OverDriver from CCC:
Core 690 @ ?V
Mem 800 @ ?V
I/O Volt @ ?V
Other Voltages ?V
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1800xttemps3.jpg

In BF2 I get as high as 100FPS but as low as 50FPS with some slight dips in in the 45FPS range. I have been taking observation of this for the last week.

While gaming, using Riva Tuner you see that when ATI2EVXX.EXE is diabled the Vreg on the X1800XT is higher (@ 32A) but you also see that Vreg dips as low at 13.64A. However when using CCC OC’ing you notice that Vreg doesn’t dip that low (sorry I didn’t plot it as it’s obvious). Therefore it is my opinion that CCC is not only just a driver but a software that regulates/controls the VC by increasing power to the card when needed (intensive graphically moments) so that the min. FPS are maintain in BF2 @ 45-50FPS instead of 20 FPS without it. Without ATI2EVXX.EXE the X1000 series will not receive the proper Amperage needed. I am not sure why this is not hardwired in the bios, this part makes no sense but the graphs don’t lie but, this is still IMO just some salt in the great sea of thought.



Edited for corrections, thanks W1Z

[W1zzard]

what you call 13.64 V is actually Amps which is the power draw

changing voltage has no effect on performance. it will either work or crash the card when the voltage is too low

[svenska]

i encountered another issue. if you have overclock your card and u use the "default" button, the gpu vcore from overclocking remains also, that means, i got default clock rates and 1.4 vcore, that seems to be a problem. i don't understand thr role of the atixxbla.exe. strange behavior.

this exe file gives a "safety" vcore increase in 3d mode, independen what you choose bevore.
if you set to 1.33 vcore and the ati exe file ist active, the vcore will be 1.4 on my system. only if i close this process i got full control over it, but maybe this file have an important sense.

it could be related with the overdrive function, so that every core get the right clock rates and this file will just increase the vcore as high as possible to reach a stable overdrive 3d.

[southorn]

1. Change of profile (with decrease voltage from e.g. 1.3V to 1.1V) causes black screen.

Hello W1zzard. I think, that I have found cause of black screen:

500/495 1.1V/1.9V -> 675/666 1.3V/2.1V work perfectly (ATITool first change voltage then clocks)

675/666 1.3V/2.1V -> 500/495 1.1V/1.9V black screen (here must be: first clocks and then voltage)

675/666 1.3V/2.1V -> 500/495 1.3V/2.1V -> 500/495 1.1V/1.9V This work correctly, so i think problem is in sequence of change in my example.

Sorry for my english.

[mR Yellow]

i got the sdk to run in a vmware sandbox .. havent really played much with it because there are other priorities .. any wishes/ideas for how this g15 stuff should look like?

First off, the new 12b works great. Changes profiles flawlessly...much smoother than 12! :toast:

About the G15 support. I agree with the comment someone made to use the four keys thats situated by the LCD to switch between profiles, but for now, i'll be happy with just having the GPU temp and maybe volts/amp usage displayed on the LCD. :cool:

Thanx

[Gubben]

All of us on OC Forums are having a hell of a time OCing our X1900's... Just wondering if there's something we're missing?? Perhaps the fact that there isn't an "official" driver for the card yet???

We've disabled all the ATI services, shut down the processes, and still not one of us can get a decent OC. The only way we've been able to is Overdrive.

Not me:) The ATI Tool is simply the best
http://www.techsweden.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124257

[Jodiuh]

Omg!

[Dippyskoodlez]

so when is beta 13 with the new logo comin? :laugh:

[zcubed]

when i try to find the max core of my nvidia 6800GS AGP the core clock keeps going up without detecting artifacts even though the 3d view window starts bleeding yellow:P. however when i click the scan artifacts button it begins to detects the artifacts. is this a bug? im using 12b btw.

[W1zzard]

http://img.techpowerup.org/060130/Capture117.jpg

any additional settings you want?

[Dippyskoodlez]

http://img.techpowerup.org/060130/Capture117.jpg

any additional settings you want?


How bout "Speed: Nvidia, Normal, Fast, lightspeed, PLAID!"?

:roll:
btw looks very nice wizz :)

[M Diddy]

Not me:) The ATI Tool is simply the best
http://www.techsweden.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124257

So short of the phase, how exactly do you OC that thing??? It's a tough cookie to crack! :D

[SPHERE]

http://img.techpowerup.org/060130/Capture117.jpg

any additional settings you want? aa and af level :)

[Gnerma]

any additional settings you want?Well it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you want to make ATITool a full substitute for CCC you're not too far off. Just add AA, AF, Vsync, mipmap detail, OpenGL triple buffering & VPU Recover on/off. Plus maybe a few others I've forgotten. Then make them profile dependent.

As you might have guessed I think this would be great since I'm not much of a CCC fan but love ATITool :)

[konfuzd]

Can we get an adaptive AA low and high since simply on and off doesn't cover all 3 settings in CCC?

I've noticed something while overclocking my X1800XL. In order to use my new overclock, I have to restart my computer. Otherwise, it runs at the 2d speed.

[Jodiuh]

LMFAO, will ATI just hire you so you're funded? And we can get what we want damnit. Just think...if NV or ATI had a forum where you could go and request settings?!?!

[Bull Dog]

My X1900XT came today. I installed it and sheesh I didn't realize how noisy that stock cooler is.....:banghead:

23% fan usage is tolerable.
27% fan usage is barely tolerable (driver default)

30-50% fan speed drives me nuts and faster is better becuase it doesn't drone as bad. Oh and I wasn't amused by the fact that the drivers wait till the core hits 80 deg C before they start to increse the fan speed. :eek: :twitch: But I digress.

The video card doesn't seem to like having both its clocks and its voltages upped at the same time by ATi Tool (love that name BTW I wouldn't change it even it nVidia gets full support). If I up both via a profile change I get a dead black screen. This going from a C&Q mode (1.0v 300Mhz core) to normal (1.3v 625mhz core) Dropping both down on the other hand doesn't seem to have any adverse affects.

The workaround is three profiles.
Cool & Quiet (temp till I get a 3rd party cooler): 300MHz core clock, 600MHz(1200MHz) mem, vCore 1.0v, Fan @ 23% (idles at 44 deg C).
Full Speed Stage 1: 300MHz core clock, 600MHz(1200MHz) mem, vCore 1.3v
Full Speed Stage 2: 625MHz core clock, 725MHz(1450MHz) mem, vCore 1.3v

[ErrorS]

it just doens't work for me, even 12b... the autooverclocker thing, I can OC just fine when not using it.

First go it ran my memory up to 630mhz before it artifacted (PC crashed), seemed reasonable to me. So I restart and try again at higher voltages.. this time the computer restarts at 520mhz.

I know my card can do about 650mhz to memory with enough voltage, so something isn't working right. X1800XL, Sapphire, had it days after release.

and PLEASE don't think I'm complaining, I appreciate your work and AtiTool is a great program.. thank you

[Dippyskoodlez]

it just doens't work for me, even 12b... the autooverclocker thing, I can OC just fine when not using it.

First go it ran my memory up to 630mhz before it artifacted (PC crashed), seemed reasonable to me. So I restart and try again at higher voltages.. this time the computer restarts at 520mhz.

I know my card can do about 650mhz to memory with enough voltage, so something isn't working right. X1800XL, Sapphire, had it days after release.

and PLEASE don't think I'm complaining, I appreciate your work and AtiTool is a great program.. thank you

Then dont use the auto overclock for now ;)

[Rattle]

W1ZZARD

I have been able to fully use 25b 12b on my sapphire x1900xt, I even have it loading a profile with core/mem speed and 3 voltages along with fan speeds and it boots up without issue...

I notice while running a 3d app if I hit the settings button on ATITOOL it will hard lock though, If i dont do that I can game and everything else NP...

I think the driver it came with is borking us up and I wont be satisfied till the 6.2's come out this week....

My initial goal was to clock the card higher, I have already flashed it to xtx and it ran at xtx speeds fine, I was only able to hit 710/810 artifact free even with adding/decreasing voltage. The core I can understand maybe I got a shitty one, but the mem is sposed to run 900 at 2v according to samsung....

Anyway what I have done is at xtx speeds 650/775 I have set core to 1.3v instead of 1.4v which is stock 3d volts and set memory to 1.990 on both mem volt settings as opposed to the stock 2.086...

The result is a xt running at xtx cool as hell !!
even at XT speeds with fan on low we are asking for trouble with HIGH temps in the 80's and I have heard peoples cards artifacting and locking up cuz of heat.
SO now running 650/775 undervolted I can leave fan on low and it hits 70c without issue, at 50% it hits 60c and 50% is pretty quiet and at 100% it hits 50c !! this after playing FEAR for a while and running RTHDRIBL...

Anyway, just wanted to give some insight o my "cooler" way to run the card and ATITOOL does work on these cards.

[overcast]

The memory is rated to 900mhz but not at the current timings, read
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/GraphicsMemory/GDDR3SDRAM/512Mbit/K4J52324QC/K4J52324QC.htm
Page 13 of the datasheet shows CL = 11 for <= 900mhz as well as <= 800mhz


ATI obviously chose tighter timings when they programmed the RAM chips, over higher frequency. This is the reason why the Overclocker tool is able to acheive the rated specs, because they loosen the timings up to reflect the ratings.

[Rattle]

The memory is rated to 900mhz but not at the current timings, read
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/GraphicsMemory/GDDR3SDRAM/512Mbit/K4J52324QC/K4J52324QC.htm
Page 13 of the datasheet shows CL = 11 for <= 900mhz as well as <= 800mhz


ATI obviously chose tighter timings when they programmed the RAM chips, over higher frequency. This is the reason why the Overclocker tool is able to acheive the rated specs, because they loosen the timings up to reflect the ratings.


I see


makes perfect sense....

I went and tried to get over 810 with overclocker tool and still no go, maybe Its getting to hot...

[5150 Joker]

W1zzard:

What does the VDDCI setting in ATi Tool do? Any idea if its safe to crank it up with an X1900 card?

[W1zzard]

it's another core voltage on the x1900 .. nobody knows what it really does

[jason57570]

Ok, I have no luck it seems.

Fresh install,
Install ati tool
say ok to disbale service when first opening ati tool
clocks show 500/600 2d clocks
when i set sliders to 650/775 3d clocks stock It locksup in 3d
do I need to move the voltage sliders?
690/800 in CCC works flawlessly btw

Ive tried to remove CCC 100% and just use atitool and also having issues with the clocks.

Im a 100% nvidia guy so this ati crap is confusing. Id rather be hardmoding this atm

[overcast]

I would wait a few days when ATI releases actual 1900 drivers.

[HousERaT]

Ok, I have no luck it seems.

Fresh install,
Install ati tool
say ok to disbale service when first opening ati tool
clocks show 500/600 2d clocks
when i set sliders to 650/775 3d clocks stock It locksup in 3d
do I need to move the voltage sliders?
690/800 in CCC works flawlessly btw

Ive tried to remove CCC 100% and just use atitool and also having issues with the clocks.

Im a 100% nvidia guy so this ati crap is confusing. Id rather be hardmoding this atm
go into your service manager and disable manually. Might be two different programs but as of late it only looks like one "ATI Hotkey Poller".

[jason57570]

YEAH DID THAT :(
Ill try again when I run crossfire and water cool the cards I guess.

[Etalon]

Any chance of 3d dection for 64bit apps soon?

[SPHERE]

Well it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you want to make ATITool a full substitute for CCC you're not too far off. Just add AA, AF, Vsync, mipmap detail, OpenGL triple buffering & VPU Recover on/off. Plus maybe a few others I've forgotten. Then make them profile dependent.

As you might have guessed I think this would be great since I'm not much of a CCC fan but love ATITool :) exactly that would be awesome for me!!! id love to get rid of ccc :) but still keep the cat drivers :)

[Etalon]

Gamma problems

The gamma issue in Beta 11 is still here. This is the problem:

I save a gamma profile of 1.1 gamma to my overclocking profiles. I then reset the computer, and when ATi Tool loads up, the screen behaves exactly as if the blue contrast is set to minimum. When I reload the profile it fixes itself.

Overall, for some reason, on initial startup it doesnt set the blue channel correctly. When it is reloaded, its fine.

[Etalon]

Ive found the exact problem and cause of the problem with the gamma controls. Here we go. Symptoms: Blue channel dropping out on gamma profiles on system startup and when reloading profiles via a hotkey. Reproduceable: Every time.

Make a new profile,
Goto the profiles.ini, its listed like this.

[New]
CardID=1431110912
Core=329.79
Mem=406.93
NumKeys=0
Comment=

Now, lets add some gamma settings to it. Goto settings, make a gama profile. I chose to increase the gamma to 1.1 on all channels. Save it to the new profile.

heres profiles.ini again:

[New]
CardID=1431110912
Core=329.79
Mem=406.93
NumKeys=0
Comment=
Gamma=107, 107, 107
Gamma brightness=0, 0, 0
Gamma contrast=100, 100, 0

Note the gamma contrast setting, I THOUGHT it looked wrong, surely its Red, Green, Blue and blue is set to 0. I then edited the profile, and all my blue channel dropping out on startup problems went away.

I further test: Then set contrast to so 49% or so on all channels. Here profiles.ini now
[New]
CardID=1431110912
Core=329.79
Mem=406.93
NumKeys=0
Comment=
Gamma=100, 100, 100
Gamma brightness=0, 0, 0
Gamma contrast=49, 49, 0

For some reason, ATitool is always writing 0 to the blue contrast channel values. I hope this helps! (oh, and please, 64bit 3d detection )

[W1zzard]

wow that's the best bugreport i ever got since i develop atitool. issue fixed

[Mariop]

I think that VDDCI is readout of Volterra VT1103 Power Regulator of x1800/x1900 series.
But I think that this readout is only referred to Set Point of Power Regulator.
Datasheet of that Power Regulator isn't public available.

On Rivatuner 15.8 is implemented vt1103.ddl plugin for monitoring x1800/x1900 volt and amp under 2D/3D activity, but I don't now how exactly its works (perhaps ATI's Dynamic Voltage Control?)

[W1zzard]

I think that VDDCI is readout of Volterra VT1103 Power Regulator of x1800/x1900 series.
But I think that this readout is only referred to Set Point of Power Regulator.

do you have any knowledge of this or are you just taking a guess?

[5150 Joker]

do you have any knowledge of this or are you just taking a guess?

This is what he's referring to:


- Added VT1103.dll plugin for reading diagnostic information from Volterra VT1103 voltage (used on ATI RADEON X1800 series). The plugin provides 'Voltage regulator output' (target output voltage defined by voltage regulator's VID pins), 'Voltage regulator temperature' and 'Voltage regulator current' data sources. Please take a note that there are no public VT1103 datasheets available, and VT1103 VID table used by ATI's own voltage control tools is simply plain wrong (viva ATI software development team again ), that is why the plugin gives you an ability of redefining VID -> voltage mappings. The plugin's database contains ATI's own erroneous voltage mapping table and corrected voltage table created using real Vcore measurements for each VID.

[W1zzard]

yeah that's not vddci. that's regular vcore

and corrected voltage table created using real Vcore measurements for each VID.
i did those measurements ;)

[jason57570]

Help!!!

LOL how can I control the fan of card #2 the non master in AMR??

Only the damm insdie cards fan works with any of the apps so far

stock x1900 clocks in CF
http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/126/2k61gy.jpg

[jason57570]

Im giving up on this overclocking sh*t wiht these cards.

Tell me the steps
Install fresh
install drivers/ccc/,net
now go to services and disable both ATISMART AND ATI HOTKEP POLLAR
reboot
install atitool
now heres the thing it shows 2d clocks in the sliders so 500/600 not 650/775 ok got that part as oyu disbale the ATI service that switches from 2d to 3d correct?
Now I can set 600/700 with no voltage changes at all and runs everything, but still under stock clocks for 3d.
If I set 690/800 what I can run in CCC/OVERDRIVE ALL DAY it locks with black scrren with any vgpu from the 1.175-1.45v.

cant oyu make a FORCE PERFORMANCE 3D LIKE RIVATUNER AND THE NVIDIA CARDS?
so when oyu get to windows you are running 3d voltage and 3d clocks?

thanks for oyur replys

[5150 Joker]

Jason: Don't use ATi Tool to overclock your card. Instead turn on ATi Tool, set your voltages and then use ATi OC utility to overclock. I've found that works the best by far.

[FnFnF]

Another great ATiTool, but I have some problems with it.
Artifactscanning doesn't work on my Gigabyte 6800GS PCIe, the whole screen can be one big artifact, and it is just clocking more and more over.
And I'm partly missing the option to select one slider to overclock, because it is always using the 2D, and I don't need that one, I need the 3D slider...
For the rest, great bunch of software!

[ViperJohn]

Jason: Don't use ATi Tool to overclock your card. Instead turn on ATi Tool, set your voltages and then use ATi OC utility to overclock. I've found that works the best by far.

Using ATI's OverClocker.exe will hurt you card speed. It loosens the memory timings BIGTIME when used. The max memory clock set with ATItool will be roughly 125Mhz (250ddr) lower than when set with OC.exe but the card will be considerably faster with the tighter timings at the lower memory OC.

Viper

[AMDCam]

VVVVVVVVVVVIPER JOHN?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? I had no idea you were associated with techpowerup!!! I love your work man, you are seriously an inspiration for all my crazy ways of dropping my case temp 1C and keeping heatsinks cool and other stupid ways to unconventionally keep my hardware cool lol. Just had to say hey, it's not every day I meet a computer celebrity (except W1zzard).

[ViperJohn]

VVVVVVVVVVVIPER JOHN?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? I had no idea you were associated with techpowerup!!! I love your work man, you are seriously an inspiration for all my crazy ways of dropping my case temp 1C and keeping heatsinks cool and other stupid ways to unconventionally keep my hardware cool lol. Just had to say hey, it's not every day I meet a computer celebrity (except W1zzard).

Well I would not say I am associated with TechPowerUp. I cruise the forums and post here occasionally. Been to dang busy with cards to do much posting anywhere in the last 2-3 months.

W1zzard and I exchange emails sometimes on one thing or another but that is about it.

Viper

[Jodiuh]

Using ATI's OverClocker.exe will hurt you card speed. It loosens the memory timings BIGTIME when used...

I heard about this. ATI Tool for oc then? Provided we don't get any nasty locks?

[mR Yellow]

U'll even get higher scores with ATiTool.

Err, i feel a new ATiTool release coming soon...:twitch:

[solideliquid]

Hi I'm new here and I had a question.

Here's the scenario- I'm experimenting with difference OCs for my new X1800 XT from ASUS. Using ATI Tool has not been as successful as I'd hoped, as I cannot get the mem above 750 without artifacting in 3D applications.

OK so then I decided to uninstall ATiTool and let the 6.1 CCC overclock the card for me. I entered the values 666\777 (i know i know) and that has been working ok. Now I don't know if the card actually gets UP to those values while playing something like FEAR but I get great perfomance and my 3DMark05 (i know i know) score was at 8114 and 3DMark06 at 4005.

OK so finally for the question...I want to keep using ATiTool for the fan control, but I do NOT want to use the ATiTool for OCing, but it seems like when you start ATiTOOL whatever values are in for the core/mem is what the card will be using in 3D regardless of what is entered in CCC. Any way to disable ATiTool's OC of the GPU?

P.S. Can someone please give me a few pointers about changing voltage, cause I don't want to fry my card. !

TIA!!!

Specs:
Win XP Home
P4 3.6
2 gig DDR500 ram
80gig HD
ASUS X1800 XT 512

[5150 Joker]

Using ATI's OverClocker.exe will hurt you card speed. It loosens the memory timings BIGTIME when used. The max memory clock set with ATItool will be roughly 125Mhz (250ddr) lower than when set with OC.exe but the card will be considerably faster with the tighter timings at the lower memory OC.

Viper


Not from my experience it isn't. I get similar results with both except ATi OC is more stable.

[giorgos th.]

i used it to my Albatron 6600GT.i got rock stable clocks with no artifacts a bit higher than coolbits (driver o/c).
the clocks now are 590/1160.
it`s great.

[W1zzard]

Not from my experience it isn't. I get similar results with both except ATi OC is more stable.

once you change the memory clock with ati overclocker once the memory timings are messed up and stay messed up until next reboot. so try clean boot, set clock with atitool, bench

then boot, set same clock with overclocker and see yourself

[jason57570]

Well still no go with anything but CCC/OVERDRIVE :(
stock settings in CCC and XTX clocks on both cards 650/775 for these runs.

Stock Cooling
Stock XTX clocks
All Air cooled
Hot as* florida

Teaser:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/30/a6oy.jpg
http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/7607/b2tu.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1267/aquamark39bj.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1576/2k34ii.jpg
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/4826/2k56sq.jpg
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/2341/2k66bd.jpg

[KennyT772]

holy hell dude!

[mR Yellow]

Nice :toast:
ATi Foreva :rockout:

[Dippyskoodlez]

Nice to see ya jason! Good to know we have a lot more experience around here.. :)

[ViperJohn]

I heard about this. ATI Tool for oc then? Provided we don't get any nasty locks?

If you are locking using the ATItool then the memory clocks are probably to high. The tighter timings you get using th tool make for a faster card but your memory OC must be reduced about 10-12% from the memory clocks you can run with OC.exe.

Viper

[5150 Joker]

once you change the memory clock with ati overclocker once the memory timings are messed up and stay messed up until next reboot. so try clean boot, set clock with atitool, bench

then boot, set same clock with overclocker and see yourself

What I do is boot, disable the two ati2evxxx.exe processes and then fire up ATi Tool to set the voltages. I then use ATi OC utility to clock the card and that seems to work well. See when I try setting the same OC with ATi Tool it sometimes works and at other times completely locks the computer.

[ViperJohn]

Hi I'm new here and I had a question.

Here's the scenario- I'm experimenting with difference OCs for my new X1800 XT from ASUS. Using ATI Tool has not been as successful as I'd hoped, as I cannot get the mem above 750 without artifacting in 3D applications.

You will get a lower memory OC with ATItool because it does not relax the memory timings the way ATI's OverClocker.exe does when it OC's the memory. The typical card will be have higher memory bandwidth awith the lower OC but tighter timings and be faster for it.

There will be exceptions where a given cards set of chips and/or the cores memory controller need higher latencies (looser timings) to OC worth a damn without artifacting but that is not typical.

Viper

[5150 Joker]

You will get a lower memory OC with ATItool because it does not relax the memory timings the way ATI's OverClocker.exe does when it OC's the memory. The typical card will be have higher memory bandwidth awith the lower OC but tighter timings and be faster for it.

There will be exceptions where a given cards set of chips and/or the cores memory controller need higher latencies (looser timings) to OC worth a damn without artifacting but that is not typical.

Viper


Viper,

Is there any proof to show that ATi OC loosens the timings or are you speculating? Since you mod cards, any idea what VDDCI does?

[jason57570]

yes ati clocker is crap

Im figuring out the atitool method now I can match my 690/800 CCC score with atitool at 640/817, but have more stuff to work on still. 720/900 in atitool would kill :)

[ViperJohn]

Not from my experience it isn't. I get similar results with both except ATi OC is more stable.

You have one very strange card there lol. ATItool and OC.exe do the same thing as they both are just programming the clock generators. The difference is OC.exe loosens the hell out of the memory timings at the same time. That will normally allow for higher to much higher memory OC but at a sacrifice of lower memory throughput and a slower card.

If you card is OC'ing the same on the memory with both tools then you have either a lame set of chips and/or GPU memory controller that doesn't want to dance.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

once you change the memory clock with ati overclocker once the memory timings are messed up and stay messed up until next reboot. so try clean boot, set clock with atitool, bench

then boot, set same clock with overclocker and see yourself

Good point W1zzard and I should have brought it up. ATItool can not undo the memory timing loosening that OC.exe does.

Use one OC tool at a time. Do not mix different tools without a reboot in between or your results can be all skewed.

All these tools are doing the same thing and that is programming the clock generators for the clocks you want. Not counting the code for the user interface differences and the programming language used to create the program you are using there is only one way to skin the actual end result clock gen cat.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

Viper,

Is there any proof to show that ATi OC loosens the timings or are you speculating? Since you mod cards, any idea what VDDCI does?

The proof is in the OC's achieved and the BM scores of the cards when the different methods are used. If the memory voltages are held the same the only way to increase the memory OC is to loosen the timings. That is memory 101 and it has not changed since 1984 when the first IBM PC popped out of the oven. It is not rocket science but it is rocket science logic.

I am sure W1zzard could write routines for ATItoolthat would read the registers and get the running memory timings but it work be a lot of useless work for something that is easily determined by the end results and a knowledge of what makes memory speed tick.

No clue on VDDCI as there isn't any documentation on it that I can find.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

yes ati clocker is crap

Im figuring out the atitool method now I can match my 690/800 CCC score with atitool at 640/817, but have more stuff to work on still. 720/900 in atitool would kill :)

Unless you have one screw ball card you will not be able to get the same memory clocks with ATItool as you get with OC.exe. It could happen if your core memory controller is what is capping the memories top speed though.

You see than with 7800's often where you get the same (or very nearly so) memory OC (always lower than average ) even with the memory timings seriously tightened from what Samsung spec to the rated chip speed. That indicates a good set of chips but a memory controller that isn't a winning race horse.

Viper

[Rammsteiner]

I dont know for sure, but I flashed my X1800XT to PE. Didnt like the BIOS because of 1.48V so I flashed back to the original. Now I use Atitool and set 1.45VGPU, 1.996VDD(Q) and m,y card hits 725/850!? I couldnt hit 850Mhz before at all with any Voltage, now I can. And 725 would always hardlock, it doesnt anymore... Whats going on!? Didnt tried to go higher yet, but anyone knows how this is possible? Or is it thanks to Atitool 25b12b? I only tried to OC with the b11's...

[svenska]

I dont know for sure, but I flashed my X1800XT to PE. Didnt like the BIOS because of 1.48V so I flashed back to the original. Now I use Atitool and set 1.45VGPU, 1.996VDD(Q) and m,y card hits 725/850!? I couldnt hit 850Mhz before at all with any Voltage, now I can. And 725 would always hardlock, it doesnt anymore... Whats going on!? Didnt tried to go higher yet, but anyone knows how this is possible? Or is it thanks to Atitool 25b12b? I only tried to OC with the b11's...


wow, 1.48 vcore it's tough. i use the same like you described above but only with 1.4/1.9. i'm more careful *g*.
how are the temp on full load with 1.48? any fan mods or stock?

[ViperJohn]

What I do is boot, disable the two ati2evxxx.exe processes and then fire up ATi Tool to set the voltages. I then use ATi OC utility to clock the card and that seems to work well. See when I try setting the same OC with ATi Tool it sometimes works and at other times completely locks the computer.

Just disable the "Hot Key Poller Service". That kills the CCC OverClocker and the cold bug in one whack. It also allow ATItool to set the normally different 2D and 3D clocks on XT cards the same (correct me if I am wording that wrong W1zzard) as ATItool can not program split 2D/3D core clocks.

The two issues with disabling the HKP Service with all cards is you loose all temperature monitoring ability. Also with XT card the drivers program the 2D Vcore is lower that the 3D Vcore so when you set the 2D core clock the same as the 3D core clock you may have 2D issues like locking at the desktop due to the lower Vcore in 2D mode. That varies from card to card, the clocks and the Vcore you are running.

Viper

[solideliquid]

I dont know for sure, but I flashed my X1800XT to PE. Didnt like the BIOS because of 1.48V so I flashed back to the original. Now I use Atitool and set 1.45VGPU, 1.996VDD(Q) and m,y card hits 725/850!? I couldnt hit 850Mhz before at all with any Voltage, now I can. And 725 would always hardlock, it doesnt anymore... Whats going on!? Didnt tried to go higher yet, but anyone knows how this is possible? Or is it thanks to Atitool 25b12b? I only tried to OC with the b11's...


I thought 750 was the stock mem speed on the X1800 XT, no?

[Rammsteiner]

Just stock... 1.48V is stock Volt for X1800XT PE

[svenska]

Just stock... 1.48V is stock Volt for X1800XT PE


in 3d mode, not in 2d i think.
my card has 1.3/1.4 if all services are enabled.

[svenska]

Just disable the "Hot Key Poller Service". That kills the CCC OverClocker and the cold bug in one whack. It also allow ATItool to set the normally different 2D and 3D clocks on XT cards the same (correct me if I am wording that wrong W1zzard) as ATItool can not program split 2D/3D core clocks.

The two issues with disabling the HKP Service with all cards is you loose all temperature monitoring ability. Also with XT card the drivers program the 2D Vcore is lower that the 3D Vcore so when you set the 2D core clock the same as the 3D core clock you may have 2D issues like locking at the desktop due to the lower Vcore in 2D mode. That varies from card to card, the clocks and the Vcore you are running.

Viper

you can monitoring without these services, of course.

[5150 Joker]

Just disable the "Hot Key Poller Service". That kills the CCC OverClocker and the cold bug in one whack. It also allow ATItool to set the normally different 2D and 3D clocks on XT cards the same (correct me if I am wording that wrong W1zzard) as ATItool can not program split 2D/3D core clocks.

The two issues with disabling the HKP Service with all cards is you loose all temperature monitoring ability. Also with XT card the drivers program the 2D Vcore is lower that the 3D Vcore so when you set the 2D core clock the same as the 3D core clock you may have 2D issues like locking at the desktop due to the lower Vcore in 2D mode. That varies from card to card, the clocks and the Vcore you are running.

Viper

I do have the service you mentioned disabled as well as ATi Smart when I OC with ATi Tool + ATi OC. If xtremesystems was up I'd link you to a thread where this issue of speculated memory timings being looser on the ATi OC is being debated. A guy named Chews* there also uses the same combination of ATi Tools + ATi OC to overclock wtih and has achieved quite high scores. Like me he also noted that upping the clocks using ATi Tool (after raising the voltages) alone results in desktop crashes and/or artifacting.

[jason57570]

Viper your right you will be shown 2d clocks and these 500/600 sliders you move to what oyu wanna run 3d at, but you also "MUST" add voltage as 1.175v sint going to run 700mhz core in 2d ;)
also if oyu can run 690/800 in CCC you cant ness. do that in atitool. the ram yes the gpu core I found not to hit the same 'in AMR config' anyways.

[cayers71]

Just got my xtx card...im running the .12b version of ATI tool on the stock drivers that came with the card...have not been able to find any newer drivers on the ATI site.

I am somewhat new to the overclocking scene, but wanted to offer my feedback regarding the .12b version and the xtx card. I have been experiecing the crash bug when attempting to reduce my clock speeds (and voltages, presumably) back to stock timings from an overclocked state. Usually my entire PC crashes....i.e instant reboot. I read in an earlier post from w1zzard that he wanted to hear from those like me, so please let me know how I can assist it trobleshooting...I will forward logs or .ini files, whatev.

Also, any one else out there have any OC numbers for the xtx card? I'm running a stable 70°C @ 550/701...but I know I'm not pushing too hard either.

BTW, thanks W1zzard, great work.

[jason57570]

I think now all I need is some water cooling on these cards as they get warm. :)
650/818
1.25/1.5v/2.09v
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8638/2k55wg.jpg

[5150 Joker]

Just got my xtx card...im running the .12b version of ATI tool on the stock drivers that came with the card...have not been able to find any newer drivers on the ATI site.

I am somewhat new to the overclocking scene, but wanted to offer my feedback regarding the .12b version and the xtx card. I have been experiecing the crash bug when attempting to reduce my clock speeds (and voltages, presumably) back to stock timings from an overclocked state. Usually my entire PC crashes....i.e instant reboot. I read in an earlier post from w1zzard that he wanted to hear from those like me, so please let me know how I can assist it trobleshooting...I will forward logs or .ini files, whatev.

Also, any one else out there have any OC numbers for the xtx card? I'm running a stable 70°C @ 550/701...but I know I'm not pushing too hard either.

BTW, thanks W1zzard, great work.

Why are you running the card underclocked? Core should be 650mhz and memory 750 mhz stock.

[SPHERE]

I think now all I need is some water cooling on these cards as they get warm. :)
650/818
1.25/1.5v/2.09v
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8638/2k55wg.jpg nice!!! congratz d00d :)

[cayers71]

Good question...i was just reading around trying to figure that one out....according to all of the sites and lit. I've seen, your quoted speeds are correct for the xtx...my stock speeds out of the box are 499.50/594.00...! I am wondering what's going on...?

[Muk]

Your card is in 2d mode.

[jason57570]

Hey Viper or Wizzard,
Do you know 100% if the x1800/x1900 series cards use the power like nvidia as in I can hook up 2 PSU's one for the board and one for the cards?

Ive been doing it on my 6800/7800's, but want to be sure that ATI's new cards are the same.

Thanks

[SPHERE]

Hey Viper or Wizzard,
Do you know 100% if the x1800/x1900 series cards use the power like nvidia as in I can hook up 2 PSU's one for the board and one for the cards?

Ive been doing it on my 6800/7800's, but want to be sure that ATI's new cards are the same.

Thanks
2 psus should work fine on the newer cards its just like having a dual 12v rail one for your mobo and one for the rest of the rig :)

[jason57570]

thanks yeah If i try this with a x850xt pe the card and mobo will go up in flames the only way is if the card runs independatly like the 6800-7800 nvidia cards do :)

[AMDCam]

hey jason, I thought the GS was only AGP, so how do you have 2 running together? That's an AWESOME score.

[jason57570]

no 6800GS was pci-e they jsut released a agp version

[ViperJohn]

you can monitoring without these services, of course.

Yeah ya just have to enable temp monitoring in ATItool to show it in the system tray but that seems to cause instability. Will give more on tha in a later post.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

Viper your right you will be shown 2d clocks and these 500/600 sliders you move to what oyu wanna run 3d at, but you also "MUST" add voltage as 1.175v sint going to run 700mhz core in 2d ;)
also if oyu can run 690/800 in CCC you cant ness. do that in atitool. the ram yes the gpu core I found not to hit the same 'in AMR config' anyways.

I think I said tht lol. When you disable the Hot Key Poller Service you disable different 2D/3D core clocks AND defferent 2D/3D Vcore on the XT cards. The Vcore and core clock you set in ATItool is "one size fits all" with XT cards with the HKP Service disabled.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

If xtremesystems was up I'd link you to a thread where this issue of speculated memory timings being looser on the ATi OC is being debated

I have seen the thread and it is as pointless as debating "Does the light in the refrigerator go off if when you close the door if no one inside to look" or "If a tree falls in the woods does it make a noise if no one is there to hear it".

The answer to all three is yes lol.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

Hey Viper or Wizzard,
Do you know 100% if the x1800/x1900 series cards use the power like nvidia as in I can hook up 2 PSU's one for the board and one for the cards?

Ive been doing it on my 6800/7800's, but want to be sure that ATI's new cards are the same.

Thanks

Probably but why??? If you have enough power supply in the computer to begin with you do not need separates.

Viper

[solideliquid]

Can someone help? I cannot seem to OC my X1800 XT on the MEM more than 747. Anything over that and I get artifacting all over the place when scanning or running a 3D app.

Could it be my PSU which is at 460 watts? Or should I be adding more volts?

[ViperJohn]

Okay just spent a few hours playing around with a ViperVenom cooled, modded x1900XT CF Master card.

I found that ATItool 25B12 works just fine for volt setting and OCing IF you do not run it with the Scan for Artifacts window or the 3D window (rotating cube) open. If either one is open you will (or at least I did) hard lock at the windows desktop like clock work when you click other buttons (like Settings, Set Clocks, etc). Running ATItool in the BG for system tray temperature indications caused instabilty for me as well but not as bad.

If you just open the ATItool and use it to set the voltages and clocks (after disabling the Hot Key Poller Service) then close it every thing was fine including saving and loading voltage profiles (its a heck of a lot easier than setting the sliders everytime!!!).

Using ATItool only I was able to clock the card to 801/927 clean in 3DM05 with 1.500 Vcore, 2.325 Vdd and 2.100 Vddq metered on card. I have no idea if those clocks are good, bad, average or indifferent as there isn't enough data yet to come up with any averages. That memory clock is well below what the same chips will do on a 7800-512 with tightened (sometimes seriously tightened) timings.

With a 170 Opteron at just under 2.7Ghz, the Cat 6.1 drivers (editted INF so they would install on a 1900) at default High Quality MipMaps, 3DM05 at it's default settings and the above clocks I was able to score the following running single card:

Main Test Results
3DMark Score = 13308 3DMarks
CPU Score = Not enough CPU tests run

Game Tests
GT1 - Return To Proxycon = 53.1 fps
GT2 - Firefly Forest = 40.1 fps
GT3 - Canyon Flight = 70.8 fps

Note in FutureMark's infinate wisdom it doesnt allow x1900 scores to be published yet (at least with the 6.1 drivers) so there is no link to the score in the ORB that I can put up.

Now before you ask what the memory would OC using ATI's OverClocker.exe I can tell you on average that memory OC would have been around 1050 some where, if the memory controllers will run that fast, and the score would have been about 300 points lower with it.

Viper

[jason57570]

Nice clocks VP 800/920mhz+ is a great overclock.
What temps on the water/tec on that card?
Also is that your card or a clients?

yeah I got it wolring now like butter!
Thanks guys some dryice and some luck
and maybe a few of kingpins records can fall next week :)
CARDS AT 670/820@1.325V
STILL 100% STOCK COOLING AND 100% AIR ALL OVER!
MMOUSE POWER!
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9285/2k335k0pu.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1168/2k5new6wn.jpg
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2530/2k699k9aq.jpg

[ViperJohn]

Nice clocks VP 800/920mhz+ is a great overclock.
What temps on the water/tec on that card?
Also is that your card or a clients?

One of my custom box builder clients. He can drive the Vcore higher if he wants to. My gut tells me 800 core is a bit weak but ya can't get around luck of the draw. I was tagging 37C peak hot side and 12C peak cold side. I am really surprized how hot these 90nm cores run at such low Vcore. I am used to seeing sub 10C at 700+ Mhz and 1.70 Vcore on the NV47's in torture loops.

It was nice not having to deal with a dang cold bug but I need more CPU speed! I just do not have the time to get this 170 Opti off of air cooling.

Viper

[jason57570]

Oh VP> any performance jump from the 5.13's to the 6.1's you modded to install on your card M8?

Is it just the INF files you need to change?

[Mongo]

Can someone help? I cannot seem to OC my X1800 XT on the MEM more than 747. Anything over that and I get artifacting all over the place when scanning or running a 3D app.
Could it be my PSU which is at 460 watts? Or should I be adding more volts?

My X1800XT is overclocked to 685.80 / 783.00 The voltages are 1.375, 2.250, 2.151.
The unit draws 33 amps with the increased voltages, but it is stable with no artifacts. The computer is using a 600 Watt PSU with the appropriate PCI express connector going to the card.

I used ATI Tool 0.25 Beta 12 (not a or b) to overclock the card.

Before overclocking the card, I disabled the ATI Hotkey Poller Service which also disables ATI Overdrive in the Catalyst Control Panel. I am using Catalyst 6.1. Hope that helps!

[ViperJohn]

Oh VP> any performance jump from the 5.13's to the 6.1's you modded to install on your card M8?

Is it just the INF files you need to change?

I didn't try the 5.13 since I would have had to edit that INF file as well to install on a 1900. There was no change from the 1900 CdRom drivers to the Cat 6.1's fom the BM score standpoint (just run to run margin of error differences from what I saw). 3Dm05's IQ seemed a bit better with the 6.1's but that is subjective and could have just been my tired old eyes playin' tricks on me too.

You can get the modded INF file so the 6.1's will install on a 1900 here:
http://overclocking-madness.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=146

Use the CCC from the matching drivers.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

My X1800XT is overclocked to 685.80 / 783.00 The voltages are 1.375, 2.250, 2.151.
The unit draws 33 amps with the increased voltages, but it is stable with no artifacts. The computer is using a 600 Watt PSU with the appropriate PCI express connector going to the card.

I used ATI Tool 0.25 Beta 12 (not a or b) to overclock the card.

Before overclocking the card, I disabled the ATI Hotkey Poller Service which also disables ATI Overdrive in the Catalyst Control Panel. I am using Catalyst 6.1. Hope that helps!

Drop the Vddq down to 2.100 and up the Vdd to 2.300 if you have good ramsinks and you memory will probably OC better. Vddq above 2.100 rarely helps the K4J55323QG-BC Samsungs to OC any better (there are of course some expections) and just adds to chip heating.

Also meter the voltages on card as they typically lower by about .025 volts than what you set in the OC tools. Looks like ATI slipped up with the VID tables in bios lol.

Viper

[5150 Joker]

Drop the Vddq down to 2.100 and up the Vdd to 2.300 if you have good ramsinks and you memory will probably OC better. Vddq above 2.100 rarely helps the K4J55323QG-BC Samsungs to OC any better (there are of course some expections) and just adds to chip heating.

Also meter the voltages on card as they typically lower by about .025 volts than what you set in the OC tools. Looks like ATI slipped up with the VID tables in bios lol.

Viper

Viper, do you think OCZ ramsinks using the thermal tape they come with are any good? I installed those last night on my X1900s ram but haven't seen any gains in overclocking. Also what should the Vddq/Vdd limit be for the Samsung BJ11 ram using those OCZ sinks? Lastly, is 1.575v using ATi Tool too high for VGPU on an X1900? I currently have a DD Maze 4 low profile heatsink on there using a 1/2" loop. Temps are usually 39-41C idle and around 50C load. According to ATi Tool, the voltage regulator gets quite hot during load and reaches as high as 78 C. Should I be worried?


EDIT: Does anyone know why I can get higher core OC with the ATi OC tool than ATi Tool using the same voltage? At 1.45v (reads 1.475v on ATi OC) I can't get 740 mhz stable if I use ATi Tool alone yet it runs flawlessly when I use ATi OC tool.

[deathman20]

Viper, do you think OCZ ramsinks using the thermal tape they come with are any good? I installed those last night on my X1900s ram but haven't seen any gains in overclocking. Also what should the Vddq/Vdd limit be for the Samsung BJ11 ram using those OCZ sinks? Lastly, is 1.575v using ATi Tool too high for VGPU on an X1900? I currently have a DD Maze 4 low profile heatsink on there using a 1/2" loop. Temps are usually 39-41C idle and around 50C load. According to ATi Tool, the voltage regulator gets quite hot during load and reaches as high as 78 C. Should I be worried?

Put a fan over there blowing at the regulators/ram. It will help in the long run at least for cooling and you might see better OC's also from it.

[5150 Joker]

Put a fan over there blowing at the regulators/ram. It will help in the long run at least for cooling and you might see better OC's also from it.

I've got two 80mm fans blowing on the card:

http://clan786.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10002/normal_X1900XT%20009.jpg


This was taken before I added the OCZ ramsinks to the card.

[ViperJohn]

Viper, do you think OCZ ramsinks using the thermal tape they come with are any good? I installed those last night on my X1900s ram but haven't seen any gains in overclocking. Also what should the Vddq/Vdd limit be for the Samsung BJ11 ram using those OCZ sinks? Lastly, is 1.575v using ATi Tool too high for VGPU on an X1900? I currently have a DD Maze 4 low profile heatsink on there using a 1/2" loop. Temps are usually 39-41C idle and around 50C load. According to ATi Tool, the voltage regulator gets quite hot during load and reaches as high as 78 C. Should I be worried?

EDIT: Does anyone know why I can get higher core OC with the ATi OC tool than ATi Tool using the same voltage? At 1.45v (reads 1.475v on ATi OC) I can't get 740 mhz stable if I use ATi Tool alone yet it runs flawlessly when I use ATi OC tool.


The OCZ's are about as good as it gets off the shelf but that "thermal tape", which is nothing more than cheap frag tape, they supply is pretty lame. Narrow fin spacing is also designed to be forced air cooled not passive. The bases are often less than flat as well.

If you lap the bases flat (you do not need to go to finer than 320 grit on ramsinks), use a good, properly installed, TIM like Chomerics T405, splay the fins out in an arc a bit to increase the air gap between the fins and provide some air flow in the area of the card they will do reasonably well. Not the best but good.

One thing common to all ramsinks and air coolers is no matter how good they are they can not cool well if the air surrounding them is hot. Getting some cool fresh air circulating around the card and sinks can work miracles. A low speed 80 or 90mm case side fan, centered over the card is ideal. You do not need high fan speed either. You just need some cool air coming in around the cards to drive the warm air away. This is especially true for cards in an SLI of CF setup. The air between the cards just like to stay there and get hotter and hotter without a little help to escape.

50C loaded on water is ridiculess. I have trouble getting 700Mhz NV47's with 1.70 loaded Vcore over 30C (temp reading down to 0C enabled in bios) in torture loops with my ViperFangs. The R580's definately run hotter at 1.50 loaded Vcore (surprise, surprise) than NV47's do at 1.70 LVC but not by that much. 1.575 probably wont hurt anything short term but I would bet that is is far higher than the Vcore wall (the point where increased Vcore no longer produces a tangible OC increase) at a 50C die temp.

The reason you can OC higher with OverClocker.exe is probably because when you use it relaxes the memory timings. That leads to higher memory OC's but it can also lead to higher core OC's sometimes as well if the memory controller is what is tripping up the core OC and looser memory timings can help that. Every thing can be inter-related and varies from card to card, core to core. There is no one size fits all.

Actually it is not the regulator that is getting that hot it only deals with milli-amp level mosfet gate currents. It is the Mosfets and series inductors that are conducting high current flows and getting hot. Put small sinks on the seies inductors and get some cooling air flow in the area (remember when you went to water you lost the air flow from the stock cooler). 7800's have been known to puke Vcore PS parts from excess heat with dull regularity when the voltages are pushed after going to WC.

The heatsinks on the series inductor will do nothing for them life wise but sinking them and fan cooling them along with Mosfet Strip heatsink does get the temps down and that will typically help the memory OC. The heat from the Mosfets and series inductors will conduct right though the PCB glass and add even more heat to the three closest memory chips to them and that is the last thing you want.

Viper

[solideliquid]

[B]My X1800XT is overclocked to 685.80 / 783.00 The voltages are 1.375, 2.250, 2.151.
The unit draws 33 amps with the increased voltages, but it is stable with no artifacts. The computer is using a 600 Watt PSU with the appropriate PCI express connector going to the card.
B]

Mongo-

Can I use these volts with a 460 Watt PSU? What limits should I expect to set my volts at? I don't want to hurt my card, also what is a safe temp for the voltage regulator?


TIA

[plywood99]

Hey wizzard,
Love Atitool, keep up the excellent work.

Think I found a bug in beta 12b. On my x1900xt flashed to xtx, Atitool will not save the VDDCI voltage into profiles. Here is an example:

[Default]
CardID=1917388032
Core=500.00
Mem=600.00
NumKeys=0
Comment=
Gamma=100, 100, 100
Gamma brightness=0, 0, 0
Gamma contrast=100, 100, 100
Voltage=1175, 2086, 2086
VoltageType=1
[Gaming]
CardID=1917388032
Core=675.00
Mem=832.50
NumKeys=0
Comment=
Voltage=1400, 2302, 2086
VoltageType=1


Note in the line titled Voltage the VDDCI voltage is not listed. Should be 1.486 by default. When Attool starts up from a reboot it sets VDDCI to 1.375, which is totally unstable in 3d.

[kyosen]

Hi W1zzard,

I appreciate your excellent work!!!

I tried ATI Tool 0.25 beta12b with X1900Crosfire
on Catalyst5.12/WinXPSP2/.NET Framework1.1.
I also experienced the VDDCI Voltage Saving problem
mentioned above by plywood99.

Addtionally, I can't see whole information when I entered
Voltage Control window. I expect that this problem is derived
from using non-English(=Japanese) OS.

So, I modified ATITool window size...this mod works fine,
and it shows another inexpected menu on main window;)

Anyway ATITool is a great and useful tool, thanks!!!

[jason57570]

Kyosen>
what have you guys done so far score wise in crossfire?

[svenska]

Yeah ya just have to enable temp monitoring in ATItool to show it in the system tray but that seems to cause instability. Will give more on tha in a later post.

Viper

didn't notice any instability.

monitoring my temps/clocks with rivatuner and it runs perferctly like before.

[Ste]

Hey wizzard,
Love Atitool, keep up the excellent work.

Think I found a bug in beta 12b. On my x1900xt flashed to xtx, Atitool will not save the VDDCI voltage into profiles.
I get the same problem as well. Have to change it manually at the moment

[ViperJohn]

didn't notice any instability.

monitoring my temps/clocks with rivatuner and it runs perferctly like before.

That could vary from system to system. I was talking with a 1900 card too.

RT 15.8 can't do much of anything with a 1900.

Viper

[svenska]

That could vary from system to system. I was talking with a 1900 card too.

RT 15.8 can't do much of anything with a 1900.

Viper


oh i'm sorry, 'got only the x1800xt. that's really crap without any x1900 support but i think all tools will be updating soon. :)

[ViperJohn]

oh i'm sorry, 'got only the x1800xt. that's really crap without any x1900 support but i think all tools will be updating soon. :)

Oh heck nothin' to be sorry about. I was kinda surprised when RT couldn't read the temps and clocks on a 1900. I thought it would be able too but I am definately no software guru like W1zzard and UnWinder are either so there must be enough difference between an 18 and 19 card to prevent it without code change in their respective programs.

Viper

[RallyRoach]

Just wanted to say that the b12b is working much better on my BFG 6600GT OC than b12. Is it possible to add any voltage or fan control features for nVidia cards in the future?

That and I propose for GPUTool as a possible new name :)

Keep up the good work W1zzard, I've been using ATITool V21 on my old 9600se

[RejZoR]

Timings on NVIDIA would be also cool.

[svenska]

Oh heck nothin' to be sorry about. I was kinda surprised when RT couldn't read the temps and clocks on a 1900. I thought it would be able too but I am definately no software guru like W1zzard and UnWinder are either so there must be enough difference between an 18 and 19 card to prevent it without code change in their respective programs.

Viper

ja, strange, 'coz actually the changes are not such big as many thought including myself.

..but first of it all the x1900 should be supported by ati drivers itself. *g*
the cat 6.1 doesn't support it at all. what a bad introducing of a great card. :rolleyes:

[Gnerma]

Sadly ATi have a long history of introducing new cards without having supporting WHQL drivers live online.

[svenska]

Sadly ATi have a long history of introducing new cards without having supporting WHQL drivers live online.

but this time the cards are already available :roll: :) and the prices of the previous graphic card generation x1800xt/xl are awesome and they tumbling more.

[ViperJohn]

ja, strange, 'coz actually the changes are not such big as many thought including myself.

..but first of it all the x1900 should be supported by ati drivers itself. *g*
the cat 6.1 doesn't support it at all. what a bad introducing of a great card. :rolleyes:

The 1900's run fine with the cat 6.1's. I did all my final testing with them. You just need my
editted INF file available here:

http://overclocking-madness.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=146

Viper

[jason57570]

broke the 10k 2k6 barrier on air just a few min ago.
680/830 clocks still stock air cooling for cards. tommorow -30c water+r22 chiller
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6798/101253gu.jpg

[ViperJohn]

broke the 10k 2k6 barrier on air just a few min ago.
680/830 clocks still stock air cooling for cards. tommorow -30c water+r22 chiller

Is that is a CrossFire???

It's a bummer that FM forced the inclusion of the CPU tests to get score making system speed a even more of a factor.

Viper

[jason57570]

yeah crossfire still stock cooled cards jsut over stock speed.
water and higher dryice cpu clocks later this week

[ElAguila]

In the Artifact Scanning settings what is the difference between having the Use old scanning method checked and using the new scanning method.

[Gnerma]

In the Artifact Scanning settings what is the difference between having the Use old scanning method checked and using the new scanning method.
With the current beta the difference is the old method works properly and the new one does not work properly. The new method isn't currently recognizing artifacts as seen by me and reported by a few others in this thread. Also, I believe the new method is still broken on all X1000 cards. Otherwise it seems that the new method is more "stressful" than the old one. For a more detailed answer w1zzard will have to post.

[ElAguila]

Thanks for the info. Since I am using an x1900xt I will use the old method.

[svenska]

The 1900's run fine with the cat 6.1's. I did all my final testing with them. You just need my
editted INF file available here:

http://overclocking-madness.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=146

Viper

sure, the x1900 will run with the 6.1 driver...and i know, there are a lot of modded inf files for the cat 6.1 but i meant, that these x1900 cards are not supported yet by "drivers code" as well as "optimizations" for the x1900.
anyways...the 6.2 beta was leaked. ;)

[Cait Sith Cat]

Another note: I haven't tested beta 12, but beta 11 didn't have temp monitoring or fan control for my modded GTO. I use beta 7 and all is well. Anyone else have this trouble?

[RyderOCZ]

Hello All,

First post here.

I just got an X1800XL....now in ATI Tool Beta 12...I get "Changing memory timings is not supported on this chipset" error.

Is this normal?

Sorry if this is posted in the bug thread or here in the 21 pages...I just don't have time to read the whole thing.

(Man....now I sound like the people I talk to every day) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[W1zzard]

Hello All,

First post here.

I just got an X1800XL....now in ATI Tool Beta 12...I get "Changing memory timings is not supported on this chipset" error.

Is this normal?

Sorry if this is posted in the bug thread or here in the 21 pages...I just don't have time to read the whole thing.

(Man....now I sound like the people I talk to every day) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

yeah it's not supported on any x1000 series cards at the moment

[RyderOCZ]

Thanks W1zzard :)

[cayers71]

Good question...i was just reading around trying to figure that one out....according to all of the sites and lit. I've seen, your quoted speeds are correct for the xtx...my stock speeds out of the box are 499.50/594.00...! I am wondering what's going on...?


ok so...more information relating to my xtx card.

I can clock via CCC to 648/774...in fact, the folks at ATI tell me the clock settings are purposely run low until the power is needed...i.e., 3d app detected, clocks are bumped.

with ATI tool i can only clock to 555/725 without artifacting...does anyone have any suggestions on how to overcome this limitation...i am asuming voltages are the next place to go, but i dont want to fry my card.

any help is appreciated.

[cayers71]

Just got my xtx card...im running the .12b version of ATI tool on the stock drivers that came with the card...have not been able to find any newer drivers on the ATI site.

I am somewhat new to the overclocking scene, but wanted to offer my feedback regarding the .12b version and the xtx card. I have been experiecing the crash bug when attempting to reduce my clock speeds (and voltages, presumably) back to stock timings from an overclocked state. Usually my entire PC crashes....i.e instant reboot. I read in an earlier post from w1zzard that he wanted to hear from those like me, so please let me know how I can assist it trobleshooting...I will forward logs or .ini files, whatev.

Also, any one else out there have any OC numbers for the xtx card? I'm running a stable 70°C @ 550/701...but I know I'm not pushing too hard either.

BTW, thanks W1zzard, great work.

original thread for post above....

[cayers71]

sure, the x1900 will run with the 6.1 driver...and i know, there are a lot of modded inf files for the cat 6.1 but i meant, that these x1900 cards are not supported yet by "drivers code" as well as "optimizations" for the x1900.
anyways...the 6.2 beta was leaked. ;)

I can confirm that the "6.2 beta drivers" do improve performance considerably on the R580over the driver provided with the card (based on Cat 5.x I believe) by ATI ....i gained 250 points on 3DMark '06 at stock timings.

"6.2 Beta Driver" can be found here...http://z29.zupload.com/file.php?filepath=4691

The link is vaild, but im not sure if the driver is a true 6.2 beta...

Cat 6.1
DriverVer=01/04/2006, 8.205.0.0
Catalyst Control Center: 1.2.2195.38647

Catalyst Beta 6.2 Drivers?
DriverVer=01/04/2006, 8.203.3.0
Catalyst Control Center: 1.2.2195.21619

[ElAguila]

You need to increase the vgpu a little if you want to clock higher on the core.

[Jodiuh]

The beta 6.2's fixed stuttering in F.E.A.R, yet introduced "AA when we feel like it" iq. :(

[detonator]

Hi, im new to techpowerup forums..

Im using ATI Tool 0.25 Beta 12

and i have some strage issues overclockin my 7800GT...

The thing is that i was using it normaly for benching... reached 530/1250Mhz 3dmark06 passed and i tried 3dmark 03... i got 12.000 points :eek: so i though doh i didnt press set clock button... but when i opened the ATI Tool window it said 530/1250 :wtf:

So i though 3dmark03 is bugged... i tried 06 and i got 3000 points :eek:

then i though that windows was wrong because that day i was playing with windows registry and all that maybe i made something wrong...

Made a new fresh instal... finish installing drivers and basic programs all that and run ATitool... set core 5