X1900 Series Overclocking and Feedback thread

[EastCoasthandle]

Ok For those of you that have purchased this card lets us know of your experiences and what voltage settings you use to overclock it if you use programs like ATI Tool and Overclocker. Also, any working bios & other tweaking with the board like lapping HSF or show us your After Market HSF combo and tell us if its worth getting?

Link that reflects setups for OCs using ATI Tool and x1900xt and x1900xtx (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=440151)
ATITOOL Bios page
http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/?se...0&Submit=Search

Here is a link for Overclocker (http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=88559)
To use Overclocker properly you have to enter CCC's ATI Overdrive and uncheck "preserve ATI Overdrive settings at logon". Hit apply, then ok, then reboot. then use Overclocker in 3d only

Here is a link for ATI Tool (http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/Tweaking/ATITool)

Here is a link for ATI Tray Tools 1.0.5.824 (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=733)

Here is a link for ATI ATI Homepage (http://www.ati.com/)

Here is a link for Overclocker (http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=88559)
To use Overclocker properly you have to enter CCC's ATI Overdrive and uncheck "preserve ATI Overdrive settings at logon". Hit apply, then ok, then reboot. then use Overclocker in 3d only

Here is a link for RivaTurner (http://content.guru3d.com/index.php?page=rivatuner) Can be used on the X1800xt to monitoring temps of the core, enviro., and vregs.

Here is a link for ATI ATI Homepage (http://www.ati.com/)

And check this out regarding IMAGE QUALITY (http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx1k/imagequality.html)



If it's BJ11 then it's at 1.1ns http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/BJ11MEM.jpg

Also make sure that the pins are pushed all the way down to make sure there is contact between the mosfets and the HS.

Unsecured
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/unsecuredpeg.jpg

Secured
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/securedpeg.jpg


X1900XTX with AS5 on the mosfets post application of AS5 on the Core and Mem. :eek: (starting with the bottom 2), not for the faint of heart :D. If you know that you are sloppy with apply thermal compound this is not for you, period. The Mosfets are very small and requie a steady hand. Took me 15 minutes to do this. The mosfets should be the metallic square blocks next to the Vregs. The Idea: The cooler the mosfets the stable the voltage, should help produce a better OC :p
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/AS5onmosfets.jpg


X1900xtx with ramsinks on VRegs to keep them as cool as possible.
The Idea: The cooler the mosfets the stable the voltage should give a better OC. Looking for ramsinks? Swiftech MC14 BGZ Memory Ramsinks are the best I've come across. Swiftech MC14 BGZ Memory Ramsinks (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcbgamera.html) Remember, Ramsinks are 1/2 the solution now you want to put a fan on it to to keep the mosfets cool. I found this method better then mosfets/fan without ramsinks. But as with anything results will very.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/IMG_4578.jpg

Wow, look at those drill teeth marks embedded in that copper heatsink. No wonder temps are so High for the x1800 and x1900 series VCs. Regardless of what Thermal Compound you use thats a lot of valleys to fill in order to get maxmium heat transfer.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/CopperHSmachined.jpg

After Mild Lapping, prior to using Brasso.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/FinalProdut.jpg

Post mild lapping, I used Brasso and rubbed it on the HS for 5-8 minutes. As you can see it doesn't take a lot of Brasso but I would apply a second coat. Removing the diryt Brasso from the HS took 20 minutes and the equivalent of 5 small, clean rags. Please note:
When using Brasso its easy to apply but more time consuming taking off. It took me the equivalent of 5 small clean rags to remove all the brasso/dirt (whatever its called) from this small core HS. Please make sure you take the time to wipe off all "black stuff" until a clean portion of your rag remains clean (after an attempt to rub more off). Afterwards, I use some Rubbing alcohol @ 90% to remove the thin layer of oily film left behind. Some will argue that Brasso is impossible to remove even with alcohol. I have tried this myself and have found this statement false. There are some that will still argue it does but there are no facts to back it up. However, it is true that Brasso does leave a film behind after use but using alcohol appears have removed it.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/HSwBrasso.jpg

The next 2 snapshots show the setup,

This shows the reflection of ProGold through the HS
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/MirrorFinsetup2.jpg

Look at that Mirror Finish...you can do this too with a little TLC for your HSF
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/MirrorFinsetup2-2.jpg

I will post temps when the AS5 has cured, for me it takes over a week :0 but I want to give an accurate reading this time.

Ok it's only been a few days and temps are around 37C now at idle. Rivaturner will not allow me to enter it's monitorwhen using the x1900 series but does work for the x1800xt. What gives man this is bogus!!! http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/testrun4.jpg (http://photobucket.com)

Update
I wanted to apply some more rubbing alcohol (50%, didn't have 99%) on the Heatsink (to make sure Brasso residue was removed). Once finished I forgot to plug the fan on and booted the computer. When I released this I took a quick snap shot of the temps. 46C at 2D mode for 45 minutes with NO FAN is nothing to sneeze at. This photo shows how effective a proper lap method is against heat.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/46Cwofanx1900xtx.jpg

Update

3DMark Score........5927 3DMarks
SM2.0 Score..........2588
HDR/SM3.0 Score...2978
CPU Score..............1289 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=241987)

Using ATI TOOL
720 VGPU
855 Mem
1.450V on GPU
2.121V MVDDC
2.121V MVDDQ
1.498V VCDDI
With fan on mosfets/vregs.

As you can see I didn't break records here that is not the point of my post. However, you should get above average scores if you keep your VC cool.

Note:
If for any reason you attempt to duplicate what I have posted in this thread I cannot guarantee that you will have the same results. Please keep that in mind if you do in fact attempt these methods. You do so at your own risk.

[Rattle]

I havnt had anyluck overclocking with anything thus far, the driver that comes with the card kinda sux and i think we need a new driver. I tried various things and Atitool would just hard lock me and same with overlocker program, after I disabled the 2d/3d switch it would only run at 500/600 which is stock 2d clocks and wouldnt pick up the settings from either....

[Rattle]

I can however clock it as high as overdrive allows without a hitch....

[ThorAxe]

Haven't tried yet apart from Overdrive, which sets it to the maximum.

[OneCool]

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=going7cj.jpg


:respect:

[EastCoasthandle]

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=going7cj.jpg


:respect:
http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=going7cj.jpg
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

x1900xt or xtx??

[hotrippr]

X1900xt
Why is mine stuck at 500/600? overdrive shows it has requested higher 690/800, but will only show current at 500/594? Is this an 1800 in disguise???

[hotrippr]

Ok got it now, I am a dummy when I get new stuff(no patience). The overdrive only put clocks during 3d, thats why it shows current clocks to be 500/600, but I left CCC open during 3dmark and saw that the clocks went up to requested values 690/800.

Anyone know what maxClocks requested are in overdrive for the XTX cards???

Wow I didnt know the card came with a hairdryer, what a bargain!
Might get some air duct to direct the air from the back of my case to my feet to use in the winter.

And how do u make sure mem is 1.1ns????

[hotrippr]

X1900XTX Bios now at techpowerup.com, tempted to try but will wait to see if others have seen any benefit.

[Rattle]

I just flashed my sapphire x1900xt with 1.1 chips with the sapphire 1900xtx bios without issue :toast:

[Rattle]

Ok got it now, I am a dummy when I get new stuff(no patience). The overdrive only put clocks during 3d, thats why it shows current clocks to be 500/600, but I left CCC open during 3dmark and saw that the clocks went up to requested values 690/800.

Anyone know what maxClocks requested are in overdrive for the XTX cards???

Wow I didnt know the card came with a hairdryer, what a bargain!
Might get some air duct to direct the air from the back of my case to my feet to use in the winter.

And how do u make sure mem is 1.1ns????


max clocks is same on the xtx i overdrive 690/800

[hotrippr]

Did you use ATI flash??? I want to do but I cant find the thread where it tells you how, I had it bookmarked but I crashed the computer awhile ago and lost it, anyhelp would be appreciated.

I am wondering, if the max clocks are the same on both, and the stock is the same, what is the difference? And why would ATI gouge 150bucks from customers?

[Rattle]

Did you use ATI flash??? I want to do but I cant find the thread where it tells you how, I had it bookmarked but I crashed the computer awhile ago and lost it, anyhelp would be appreciated.

I am wondering, if the max clocks are the same on both, and the stock is the same, what is the difference? And why would ATI gouge 150bucks from customers?

CUZ ATI is retarded, if you have the 1.1ns chips on the xt like I do there is no difference in the cards aside from stock clock speed

xt is 625/725

xtx is 650/775



http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/?se...0&Submit=Search

download the appropriate bios...

on the same page download winflash 1.05

no open the proggy and save your old bios...

then load the new one and flash it... then reboot when prompted...

simple as that...

[hotrippr]

CUZ ATI is retarded, if you have the 1.1ns chips on the xt like I do there is no difference in the cards aside from stock clock speed

xt is 625/725

xtx is 650/775



http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/?se...0&Submit=Search

download the appropriate bios...

on the same page download winflash 1.05

no open the proggy and save your old bios...

then load the new one and flash it... then reboot when prompted...

simple as that...

Thanks I will do after I run some 3dMarks to compare before and after flash.
Have you seen any benefits?

This thing is annoyingly noisy while playing games. Cant wait to see some of the aftermarket cooling.

[EastCoasthandle]

does anyone else have any x1900 benches, tweaks, settings???

[hotrippr]

3dm06-5277
3dm05-9282
@Max overdrive 690/800

if any of you have flashed 1900xt to xtx PLEASE leave some feedback to any differences you have noticed besides the increase in default clocks. Still trying to fig out the price differnce

[Nyte]

BBA X1900XT @ 625/725 default
3DMark06 - 5445
3DMark05 - 9612

BBA X1900XT @ 667/782 using an experimental BIOS (A modified XT BIOS with some ASPM features turned on).
3DMark06 - 5589
3DMark05 - 9789

BBA X1900XTX @ 650/750 default
3DMark06 - 5621
3DMark05 - 9734

No Overdrive used in all cases.

I don't see much difference in all 3 test scenarios (I don't want to overclock the XTX because I only have one of those and I will get killed if I kill it).

[EastCoasthandle]

BBA X1900XT @ 625/725 default
3DMark06 - 5445
3DMark05 - 9612

BBA X1900XT @ 667/782 using an experimental BIOS (A modified XT BIOS with some ASPM features turned on).
3DMark06 - 5589
3DMark05 - 9789

BBA X1900XTX @ 650/750 default
3DMark06 - 5621
3DMark05 - 9734

No Overdrive used in all cases.

I don't see much difference in all 3 test scenarios (I don't want to overclock the XTX because I only have one of those and I will get killed if I kill it).

Do you mind if you use overdrive this time and clock it at 667/782 and bench 3dmark06 again?

[Rattle]

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=438736&highlight=x1900

my initial results.

stock system and stock xt 9898 in 05
system at 2.6 and stock card 11,066 in 05
havnt benched since been gaming my ass off which is the whole reason you buy a $500 video card...

[hotrippr]

X1900XTX with AS5 on the mosfets :eek: (starting with the bottom 2), not for the faint of heart :D. Post application of AS5 on the Core and Mem. Also not needed if you have very good air circulation (IE a fan position right behind the VC). The mosfets should be the metallic square blocks next to the Vregs. The Idea: The cooler the mosfets the stable the voltage, should help produce a better OC :p
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/AS5onmosfets.jpg

X1900xtx with ramsinks on VRegs to keep them as cool as possible.
The Idea: The cooler the Vregs the stable the voltage should give a better OC
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/IMG_4578.jpg
Looking for ramsinks? Swiftech MC14 BGZ Memory Ramsinks are the best I've come across. Swiftech MC14 BGZ Memory Ramsinks (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcbgamera.html)
For those of you out there that may be doing this for the 1st time, ba very careful with AS5, specially on ram, you should use AS Ceramique. Read about thermal pastes here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/134

[hotrippr]

so did u see any diff in temp initially? so far?

[Steevo]

I did the same with my X1800XT and gained 20Mhz on the core. I used Mothers aluminum wheel polish, then a hand glaze compund from 3M to get that mirror shine.

Nice pics and good advice!!

[EastCoasthandle]

I did the same with my X1800XT and gained 20Mhz on the core. I used Mothers aluminum wheel polish, then a hand glaze compund from 3M to get that mirror shine.

Nice pics and good advice!!

oh come on, you gotta give up some pics...

[EastCoasthandle]

does anyone have photos of their lap jobs?

[EastCoasthandle]

ok I updated temps after a few days. It's on the first post.

[VoRtAn_MaDgE]

Well this is my first post around here...congrats for the forum.

I'm starting to prepare my x1900xtx to bench with my fx55@3350 mach2@r404a modded.

I lapped the vga cooler surface(only 10min hehe), put ceramique on it, made some alterations and the final result is this!

Windows temp...with 1fan 120mm only!
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/867/1900xtx6el.jpg

http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/492/p20701837ot.th.jpg (http://img270.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p20701837ot.jpg)http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/9314/p20701853te.th.jpg (http://img270.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p20701853te.jpg)http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6593/p20702015bq.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p20702015bq.jpg)http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/7351/p20701863ny.th.jpg (http://img270.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p20701863ny.jpg)http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4544/p20701886af.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p20701886af.jpg)http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1117/p20701933fv.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p20701933fv.jpg)http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/7264/p20701965lt.th.jpg (http://img270.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p20701965lt.jpg)
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Time to bench...got to wait for the weekend :p

[OneCool]

That should be interesting :D

[hotrippr]

Got a hundred more points in 3dM05 with Cat6.2, not much but Ill take it.

[OneCool]

Got a hundred more points in 3dM05 with Cat6.2, not much but Ill take it.

6.2 betas are faster :shadedshu


(in just about every benchmark I have tried!!)

[hotrippr]

where are they?

[OneCool]

where are they?


I dont write them I just run them :toast:

[hotrippr]

Keeping your secrets to yourself huh?
6.2 in 3dM06 gave me 250 more points, during the ss test with the boat I actually saw a lot more colors than before I used to get just a white screen.

[OneCool]

there your secret now :nutkick:

http://www.clan786.com/files/video_card/Catalysts/catalyst_6.2_BETA_2_.exe

[OneCool]

during the ss test with the boat I actually saw a lot more colors than before I used to get just a white screen.

You mean Canyon Flight....?


Thats because you have your drivers set to "high preformance"...it wont do HDR that way?

[hotrippr]

used same sttings as before, all "let application decide". Yes thats it canyon flight. Thanx for the download, will try out later.

[EastCoasthandle]

there your secret now :nutkick:

http://www.clan786.com/files/video_card/Catalysts/catalyst_6.2_BETA_2_.exe
Is this driver the same as the drivers released today at ATI (http://www.ati.com)

[TooFast]

3dm06-5277
3dm05-9282
@Max overdrive 690/800

if any of you have flashed 1900xt to xtx PLEASE leave some feedback to any differences you have noticed besides the increase in default clocks. Still trying to fig out the price differnce


I got 11080 with a x1900xt maxed out in overdrive

[EastCoasthandle]

I got 11080 with a x1900xt maxed out in overdrive

WOW what was your sm and hdr scores?

Gotta link?

[EastCoasthandle]

ok I updated my 1st post to reflect my accidential 46C idle temps in 2d with no fan.

[TooFast]

WOW what was your sm and hdr scores?

Gotta link?

3DMark Score 11086 3DMarks Game Tests
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 45.0 FPS Game Tests
GT2 - Firefly Forest 33.2 FPS Game Tests
GT3 - Canyon Flight 58.3 FPS Game Tests

[EastCoasthandle]

updated 1st page to reflect 3D05 and 3D06 scores

[hotrippr]

Flased to XTX. No difference worth noting, I dont consider stock speed change worth anything. Not worth the stress while flashing, and I wont be going thru it again to flash back.

Also I noticed in a previous post that during canyon flight 3dm06 I saw funky colors on the white screen after updating to cat6.2, now it is back to a blank white screen without anycolors. I am using the same settings as before "let app decide" on all.

[ViperJohn]

x1900XT CFE Master at 810/927 with ATItool set clocks.

13,665 in 3DM05 Single Card.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1798174

Viper

[ISSA2000]

x1900XT CFE Master at 810/927 with ATItool set clocks.

13,665 in 3DM05 Single Card.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1798174

Viper

his 1900 xtx (5.13 ) default system non overclocked t2 memory 1:2 ratio
4800 (clock 2400) dfi expert board
2g ram ddr400 (500+)

3dmark 01=31298
05=11076
06=5312

clocked (230 fsb) no video clocking- (2530 cpu clock) t1 memory 1:1 ratio
3dmark 01=33179
05=11323
06=5712

clocked (250 fsb) no video clocking- (2530 cpu clock) t1 memory 1:1 ratio
3dmark 01=37004
05=13870
06=6348

not tryed overclocking card

[Dynamic]

If any of you are using the ATI OVERDRIVE, please don't since i've heard the reason why it clocks your memory higher is because it loosens your timings. So all 1900xt's come with 1.1ns or just the BBA or maybe the Sapphire edition X1900XT? I want to purchase an X1900xt, but not sure which one as of yet. I thought the 1.1ns memory was rated at 900MHz 1.8GHz!!!? Also i would love to hear someones experience with the latest drivers from ATI, the 6.2 version and how it improves performance for these R580 models? I've read the info for it, but it does not mention one thing about performance improvements for the R580, let's just hope!

[Dynamic]

his 1900 xtx (5.13 ) default system non overclocked t2 memory 1:2 ratio
4800 (clock 2400) dfi expert board
2g ram ddr400 (500+)

3dmark 01=31298
05=11076
06=5312

clocked (230 fsb) no video clocking- (2530 cpu clock) t1 memory 1:1 ratio
3dmark 01=33179
05=11323
06=5712

clocked (250 fsb) no video clocking- (2530 cpu clock) t1 memory 1:1 ratio
3dmark 01=37004
05=13870
06=6348

not tryed overclocking card


For 3DMark06 you'll get a nice boost with Dual Core Processors, get score, but why don't you see how high your GFX CARD will overclock to just for kicks?

[ViperJohn]

If any of you are using the ATI OVERDRIVE, please don't since i've heard the reason why it clocks your memory higher is because it loosens your timings. So all 1900xt's come with 1.1ns or just the BBA or maybe the Sapphire edition X1900XT? I want to purchase an X1900xt, but not sure which one as of yet. I thought the 1.1ns memory was rated at 900MHz 1.8GHz!!!? Also i would love to hear someones experience with the latest drivers from ATI, the 6.2 version and how it improves performance for these R580 models? I've read the info for it, but it does not mention one thing about performance improvements for the R580, let's just hope!

That is ATI's OverClocker.exe that relaxes the memory timings (bigtime) not OverDrive in the CCC. The max OC using OD in the CCC is very limited.

Viper

[Dynamic]

BBA X1900XT @ 625/725 default
3DMark06 - 5445
3DMark05 - 9612

BBA X1900XT @ 667/782 using an experimental BIOS (A modified XT BIOS with some ASPM features turned on).
3DMark06 - 5589
3DMark05 - 9789

BBA X1900XTX @ 650/750 default
3DMark06 - 5621
3DMark05 - 9734

No Overdrive used in all cases.

I don't see much difference in all 3 test scenarios (I don't want to overclock the XTX because I only have one of those and I will get killed if I kill it).

Not sure why you decided to quote this as default XTX speeds because it should be 650/775. The memory on the XTX is not 1.5GHz, it's 1.55GHz, so 775MHz is the memory frequencies....

[Dynamic]

x1900XT CFE Master at 810/927 with ATItool set clocks.

13,665 in 3DM05 Single Card.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1798174

Viper

You on air cooling or water? So you got the CrossFire Edition card at those speeds, NICE! Did you also overclock the primary card at those speeds as well?

[ViperJohn]

You on air cooling or water? So you got the CrossFire Edition card at those speeds, NICE! Did you also overclock the primary card at those speeds as well?

That was single card not a CF (my DFI CF MB is still packed in it's box lol). A x1900XT CFE Master is always the primary (master card).

That was on a ViperVenom 245WTEC cooler. I actually think the cards core is a bit weak but there isn't enough data to know what is dog food, average, good or better than sex when it comes to the R580 core OC's yet.

I do know my 2692hz Opti 170 isn't enought CPU to keep it fully data loaded though.

Viper

[ISSA2000]

For 3DMark06 you'll get a nice boost with Dual Core Processors, get score, but why don't you see how high your GFX CARD will overclock to just for kicks?

had it on for more thsn 4 hours before playing a game idle temp was 68dc with case side off (with ati tools 12b) it would get to 118) then video card would cshut down-restart.

but when i dont use ati tools it does not crash after a hour or so.

once i fix it from crasing with this software (im now using b 13)
ill give it a try.:nutkick:

[EastCoasthandle]

in first post you will find a link for OC settings for the x1900xt and x1900xtx

[hotrippr]

in first post you will find a link for OC settings for the x1900xt and x1900xtx
That is a long thread.
Cant set atitoolb13 to anything without crashing. Unchecked ccc remember box, disabled both ati2evxxx processes also tried just one, disabled ati hotpoller, guess I will have to read thru that mountain of a forum, unless someone can post a method that works for dummies ie 1.do this 2. do that 3.and so on. Mine works at max overdrive no prob.

[ViperJohn]

That is a long thread.
Cant set atitoolb13 to anything without crashing. Unchecked ccc remember box, disabled both ati2evxxx processes also tried just one, disabled ati hotpoller, guess I will have to read thru that mountain of a forum, unless someone can post a method that works for dummies ie 1.do this 2. do that 3.and so on. Mine works at max overdrive no prob.

Keep the Scan for Artifacts and 3DView (furry cube) closed. 1900's will suffer raster lock if they are open and other buttons are clicked.

Disable the ATI Hot Key Poller Service. That will kill the 2D/3D split clocks and Vcore (XT cards), ATI OverDrive and the cold bug.

Set your voltage first, clocks second.

Viper

[hotrippr]

Thanks for the info. Making some progress now. can those of you that can get successful oc please post your Voltage settings also, this would help tremendously.

Will post oc settings and voltages as soon as I can get a stable setting.

[hotrippr]

711/823 stable
Voltages:
1.375-2.086-2.086

Will try to go further as I am getting mid 60c max on stock cooling (lapped w/brasso and ceramique on core).3dm06 increased almost 300 from max ccc.

Heard these can handle higher temps???

Also remember this is a beta tool, I get problems switching back to default clocks from oc clocks(freeze) although seldom.

[Ser-J]

Nice overclock! Can you post your 3dmark05 and 03?

[oarsome]

I've got some numbers for you folks:

Ati x1900xt, flashed to x1900xtx

711/823.50 @1.4v

3DMark06 5691
3DMark05 12675

temps are:
57 voltage regulator
31 idle core 40 load
35 idle mem 46 load

I'm using a MCW55 waterblock and some MCP15 ram heatsinks
PA120.3 6x tricod fans
LRWB G4 CPU block
1/2 tygon tubing

how do my temps compare? I notice that the R580 runs hotter than the R480, some set up was around 23 idle and 30 load

cheers,

a.

[EastCoasthandle]

I've got some numbers for you folks:

Ati x1900xt, flashed to x1900xtx

711/823.50 @1.4v

3DMark06 5691
3DMark05 12675

temps are:
57 voltage regulator
31 idle core 40 load
35 idle mem 46 load

I'm using a MCW55 waterblock and some MCP15 ram heatsinks
PA120.3 6x tricod fans
LRWB G4 CPU block
1/2 tygon tubing

how do my temps compare? I notice that the R580 runs hotter than the R480, some set up was around 23 idle and 30 load

cheers,

a.

what program are you using to determine temps? I like use it if possible.

[EastCoasthandle]

[link for xt/xtx OC settings with ATI Tool (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=440151)
X1900XT/XTX/CF List of clocks, cooling, and volts
NAME..................CARD......GPU/MEM.....Vcore.......Vdd...........cooling
HousERaT ........- 1900XT -- 724/810 - 1.475 GPU, 2.124 VDD - Dynatron BH-610
El<(')>Maxi ......- 1900XTX - 820/900 - 1.525 GPU, 2.176 VDD - Pelt
Ross................- 1900XT -- 790/850 - 1.550 GPU, 2.100 VDD - water
dominick32 ......- 1900XT -- 625/725 - 1.175 GPU, 2.086 VDD - stock cooling
gjwild .............- 1900XTX - 762/963 - 1.425 GPU, 2.200 VDD - stock cooling - Relaxed timings
Joe Camel .......- 1900XTX - 732/873 - 1.450 GPU, 2.151 VDD - stock cooling
tommcd64........- 1900XT -- 702/779 - 1.375 GPU, 2.086 VDD - stock cooling
NinjaWreck.......- 1900XTX - 720/900 - 1.425 GPU, 2.225 VDD - stock cooling
Rattle..............- 1900XT -- 705/850 - 1.425 GPU, 2.127 VDD - stock cooling
proth..............- 1900XTX-- 751/882 - 1.500 GPU, 2.200 VDD - stock cooling
M Diddy...........- 1900XTX-- 698/823 - 1.400 GPU, 2.230 VDD - stock cooling

[EastCoasthandle]

5532 on 3D06
3DMark Score........5532 3DMarks
SM2.0 Score..........2406
HDR/SM3.0 Score...2738
CPU Score..............1235 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=122851)

9821 on 3D05
GT1 - Return To Proxycon..........38.5 FPS
GT2 - Firefly Forest....................26.2 FPS
GT3 - Canyon Flight...................60.1 FPS
CPUMarks................................5698 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1797739)


As you can see I didn't break records here but as you can see you should get above average scores if you lap your HS correctly. What is important is the VC scores. For example if you look at the SM 2.0 and HDR/SM 3.0 scores you will see that they are indeed pretty high for just CCC OC.

[hotrippr]

weird that my 3dm06 marks seem to be on the mark, but 05 around 9650 seems to be lower than most others.

OarsomeThose temps on water seem pretty decent.

[EastCoasthandle]

weird that my 3dm06 marks seem to be on the mark, but 05 around 9650 seems to be lower than most others.

OarsomeThose temps on water seem pretty decent.


Hotrippr are we on another forum somewhere else? I've seen your screen name somewhere other then here.

[hotrippr]

4

Hotrippr are we on another forum somewhere else? I've seen your screen name somewhere other then here.
Thought you knew who you were talking with. ASUS Forum and vr-zone.:toast:
4?

Thought you have an x1900?

[hostage67]

Is this driver the same as the drivers released today at ATI (http://www.ati.com)

Since no one else has answered you I will.

NO they are not the same. I tested 3 diff driver sets when I got my card today and ran 3DMark06 to test them.

Drivers from disk - 4456
6.2 from ATI - 3644
6.2 Beta 2 - 4668

The beta gave me the best performance and the 6.2 from www.ati.com sucked incredibly hard. A loss of almost 1,000pts in the benchmark will tell you how good that driver set is.

[EastCoasthandle]

Thought you knew who you were talking with. ASUS Forum and vr-zone.:toast:
4?

Thought you have an x1900?

Yes, I have a x1900xtx, still awaiting my RMA'd MB
the "4" was written by mistake. Sorry about that, I should have known it didn't dawn on me until now :slap:

[EastCoasthandle]

Since no one else has answered you I will.

NO they are not the same. I tested 3 diff driver sets when I got my card today and ran 3DMark06 to test them.

Drivers from disk - 4456
6.2 from ATI - 3644
6.2 Beta 2 - 4668

The beta gave me the best performance and the 6.2 from www.ati.com sucked incredibly hard. A loss of almost 1,000pts in the benchmark will tell you how good that driver set is.
Thank you very much for taking the time to post this information. From the looks of it. It's better to get the 6.2 beta instead of the 6.2 ati release.

Which VC are you using?

[hotrippr]

Since no one else has answered you I will.

NO they are not the same. I tested 3 diff driver sets when I got my card today and ran 3DMark06 to test them.

Drivers from disk - 4456
6.2 from ATI - 3644
6.2 Beta 2 - 4668

The beta gave me the best performance and the 6.2 from www.ati.com sucked incredibly hard. A loss of almost 1,000pts in the benchmark will tell you how good that driver set is.
I tried all of those also, I only saw a 10 point gain using beta 6.2 versus ati6.2. The driver on the cd is crap of course.

[ViperJohn]

I tried all of those also, I only saw a 10 point gain using beta 6.2 versus ati6.2. The driver on the cd is crap of course.

I've found the CdRom, the Cat 6.1's and the Cat 6.2's driver fairly consistant myself.

6667 in 3DM06 clean with x1900XT CFE Master card, 801/911 ATItool set clocks, Cat 6.1 drivers at default High IQ with a 2.7Gh 170 Opteron dual core.

Viper

[hostage67]

I was using all stock settings for those tests.

Rig:
Intel 640(3.2ghz) @ stock
ECS RS400-A MB(temporary)
X1900XT(by ATI) @ stock
2gb PQI Turbo 667mhz DDRII
OCZ 600w Powerstream PSU
2x 36gb Raptors RAID-0

[ViperJohn]

I was using all stock settings for those tests.

Rig:
Intel 640(3.2ghz) @ stock
ECS RS400-A MB(temporary)
X1900XT(by ATI) @ stock
2gb PQI Turbo 667mhz DDRII
OCZ 600w Powerstream PSU
2x 36gb Raptors RAID-0

Oh I could tell that by the numbers. I would have to say the Intel CPU is really hurting your 3DM06 score...probably on the CPU tests. The x1900XT CFE Master did 5401 stone stock with a 2700Mhz Opti 170 here with the CdRom Drivers at default high IQ.

I really dislike the fact that FM made CPU tests as part of the overall 3DM06 score. It just kills the benchmark for any score compares except relative compares on the same computer setup. For cross Intel/AMD platform compares it is totally useless like 3DM01 was and is. A hugh step backwards IMO.

Viper

[oarsome]

Viper John,

I posted my temperatures for my rig and I was curious if you could comment

It seems to me that the R580 runs far warmer than the R480

FX55 SANDIEGO 231x11 3008 1.45v set in bios +0.4 overvolt = 1.45-1.49v
Asus A8N32 1009 bios (seems to overvolt my CPU 0.04v)
2048 Ram (2x1024) Cosair 3200 TwinX
Ati x1900xt (bios flashed to x1900xtx) 708/823 1.4v core 2.125vdimm
PC Power and Cooling 510SLI

Cooling
LRWB G4
MCW55 GPU block +Swiftech ramsinks
PA120.3 +6x 120mm Tricod fans
MCP655
1/2 Tygon tubing

UFO U2 Case

Temps
Ambient 20
CPU 26 idle, 32 load
GPU 32 idle, 44 load, Ram 36 idle, 46 load, voltage regulators 56 idle, 82 load

I'm curious if I need to remount, or if I'm okay

I'm curious if you have custom solution to the crappy voltage heatsink (perhaps arctic silver?)

Cheers,

a.

[ViperJohn]

Viper John,

I posted my temperatures for my rig and I was curious if you could comment

It seems to me that the R580 runs far warmer than the R480

FX55 SANDIEGO 231x11 3008 1.45v set in bios +0.4 overvolt = 1.45-1.49v
Asus A8N32 1009 bios (seems to overvolt my CPU 0.04v)
2048 Ram (2x1024) Cosair 3200 TwinX
Ati x1900xt (bios flashed to x1900xtx) 708/823 1.4v core 2.125vdimm
PC Power and Cooling 510SLI

Cooling
LRWB G4
MCW55 GPU block +Swiftech ramsinks
PA120.3 +6x 120mm Tricod fans
MCP655
1/2 Tygon tubing

UFO U2 Case

Temps
Ambient 20
CPU 26 idle, 32 load
GPU 32 idle, 44 load, Ram 36 idle, 46 load, voltage regulators 56 idle, 82 load

I'm curious if I need to remount, or if I'm okay

I'm curious if you have custom solution to the crappy voltage heatsink (perhaps arctic silver?)

Cheers,

a.


The R580 are nuclear toasters compared to anything else especially when you lean on the Vcore and core clock. Xbit has a nice write up about the power the x1900's consume compared to others.

I would have to say your radiator isn't up to snuff off the top of my head as 44C load is way to high for WC and a good 10C higher than my ViperFangs. Not sure how you are measuring your memory temps or what you have for air flow over the ramsinks so no comment there.

The VregT, which is acutally the mosfet temp not the regulator temp at 82C is high. Mosfets are designed to run hot but the problem when they do is the heat conduits through the PCB glass and heats other parts close to them...like the memory chips.

Sink the phase series inductor (the black "things", seven on an XT, to the left of the mosfet strip heatsink) as they run almost as hot as the mosfets. Again the heat doesn't hurt them but it heat other parts close by (again those pesky memory chips lol). lastly get some air flow through the mosfet and series inductor heatsink (after you add them) fins. I use dual 30mm fans on the cards I mod which keeps the PS area pretty comfy.

Viper

[oarsome]

The R580 are nuclear toasters compared to anything else especially when you lean on the Vcore and core clock. Xbit has a nice write up about the power the x1900's consume compared to others.

I would have to say your radiator isn't up to snuff off the top of my head as 44C load is way to high for WC and a good 10C higher than my ViperFangs. Not sure how you are measuring your memory temps or what you have for air flow over the ramsinks so no comment there.

The VregT, which is acutally the mosfet temp not the regulator temp at 82C is high. Mosfets are designed to run hot but the problem when they do is the heat conduits through the PCB glass and heats other parts close to them...like the memory chips.

Sink the phase series inductor (the black "things", seven on an XT, to the left of the mosfet strip heatsink) as they run almost as hot as the mosfets. Again the heat doesn't hurt them but it heat other parts close by (again those pesky memory chips lol). lastly get some air flow through the mosfet and series inductor heatsink (after you add them) fins. I use dual 30mm fans on the cards I mod which keeps the PS area pretty comfy.

Viper

Thanks for getting back to me,

I'm surprised that you feel my radiator is not up to par, I was under the impression that Thermochill PA120.3 was top of the line, I coupled it with 6 fans each rated at 48CFM

I continued to review temps from stock cooling and they are reporting idle 50 load 70 ect...

I'm not arguing, just very surprised!

I had that same system cooling my R480 core a x850xt PE 624/650 and my temps where:
ambient 20
idle 24
load 31

Do you consider those high?

I'm curious what are you temps? with watercooling (not TEC)

I just mounted my block yesturday, so perhaps I need to let the arctic silver 5 cure?

with regards to memory temps on my x1900xtx I was measuring them with everest beta 2.63, my mistake it's actually measuing gpu ambient card temp

Anyways thanks for your help

cheers,

a.

PS Can I purchases larger rams sinks from you?

[ViperJohn]

Thanks for getting back to me,

I'm surprised that you feel my radiator is not up to par, I was under the impression that Thermochill PA120.3 was top of the line, I coupled it with 6 fans each rated at 48CFM

I continued to review temps from stock cooling and they are reporting idle 50 load 70 ect...

I'm not arguing, just very surprised!

I had that same system cooling my R480 core a x850xt PE 624/650 and my temps where:
ambient 20
idle 24
load 31

Do you consider those high?

I'm curious what are you temps? with watercooling (not TEC)

I just mounted my block yesturday, so perhaps I need to let the arctic silver 5 cure?

with regards to memory temps on my x1900xtx I was measuring them with everest beta 2.63, my mistake it's actually measuing gpu ambient card temp

Anyways thanks for your help

cheers,


PS Can I purchases larger rams sinks from you?

Hmmm the TC 120.3 is a good unit so I am kinda surprised at those temps. It may simply be your cards sensor is reading way high. Dead nuts accuracy is a long way from there forte. What are the cards clocks and Vcore on that R480???

Also what do you consider loaded??? I use 3DM01se Nature and 3DM05 Mother Nature in 25-50 repeat pass torture loops to get my loaded die temps and I use 1/2C accurate sensors embedded in the WB HS base too.

The answer to your PS is yes.

Viper

[oarsome]

I was playing CoD2 for 4 hours and then read my temps using both atitool and everest ultimate.

my R480 was clocked at 624/648 at stock voltages using mcw55 and ramsinks to cool


My CPU waterblock base has seen better days, can I use a compound like brasso to clean it up, followed by 99% alcohol to remove residue.

I value your opinion becuase of your reputation, would you suggest I keep my mcw55 and ram heatsinks or think of a DD x1900xt waterblock and cools gpu, ram and mosfets with water

my email is note_to_adam@yahoo.ca can you please send me any sort of pricelist, including mods to a x1900xtx
cheers,

a.

[OneCool]

Hmmm the TC 120.3 is a good unit so I am kinda surprised at those temps. It may simply be your cards sensor is reading way high. Dead nuts accuracy is a long way from there forte. What are the cards clocks and Vcore on that R480???

Also what do you consider loaded??? I use 3DM01se Nature and 3DM05 Mother Nature in 25-50 repeat pass torture loops to get my loaded die temps and I use 1/2C accurate sensors embedded in the WB HS base too.

The answer to your PS is yes.

Viper

If you have a Pro version of 3d2003...loop Trolls Lair 50 times....Its HARD on a video card!!!

[hostage67]

Oh I could tell that by the numbers. I would have to say the Intel CPU is really hurting your 3DM06 score...probably on the CPU tests. The x1900XT CFE Master did 5401 stone stock with a 2700Mhz Opti 170 here with the CdRom Drivers at default high IQ.

I really dislike the fact that FM made CPU tests as part of the overall 3DM06 score. It just kills the benchmark for any score compares except relative compares on the same computer setup. For cross Intel/AMD platform compares it is totally useless like 3DM01 was and is. A hugh step backwards IMO.

Viper

Ya, I knew my CPU would limit my score a bit. I was still a little dissapointed in the score though. Soon as I get my new board I'll bet OCing it to 4ghz +. I'm at 3.8ghz now without breaking a sweat at all on the CPU. Havne't had to increase voltages or anything but am limited by my crappy ECS board. Just based on how it has performed up till now I suspect I should be able to hit 4.5ghz roughly with out any problems but we won't know till we get there :). Once April hits I will probably be picking up a 940 as well which should help a bit.

My CPU temps are at about 50c now with load, so I won't be able to go much further until I finish building my WC setup(about halfway done with the project now). It's an external box using 2x dual core radiators with a total of 12x 120mm 115CFM fans. I also want to set it up with a small cage on the intake fans to hold some dry ice just for fun :). It will also have adjustable intake/exhast fans and it's own PSU inside the box. It's a rather extensive project but it's been fun so far. After it is completed I expect I'll have about $500 or so invested in it.

Also I noticed that when playing AOE3 the other night my card got extremely hot. Once it started to overheat I noticed that I was starting to get other boxes and stuff staying on my screen during the game. The "Pause Game" box was there in the middle of the screen and I couldn't do anything with it. It wasn't until I exited the game and looked at the temps that I realized it was overheating. I don't recall the exact temps but they were high. I'm not OCing the card at all and am on stock cooling for it still. I do have all of the graphic settings cranked way up to the max and it's running at 1280x1024 though. It has no problems running at those settings, but it just gets too hot to maintain them. I think I will purchase some of the MC14 BGA Ramsinks to put on the regulators, that should help a little. I was also thinking of picking up a PCI slot cooler if that will help.

[Dynamic]

Here is a run at 3DMark05/06 with my system overclocked in the system specs and my X1900XT @650/1550

3DMark05
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/545/3dmark056507754qk.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark056507754qk.jpg)

3DMark06
http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/3981/3dmark0665015500cx.th.jpg (http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark0665015500cx.jpg)

[Dynamic]

I've noticed that the Current status to the request frequencies will change in 3DMark, but when i load a game like COD and look at it, the current status is still set to 600/500 for some odd reason. BTW ATI TOOL Beta doesn't work for me, when i do set the same overclock frequencies and load a game the monitor goes out of sync, but windows is still in operation. Also i have ran Overclocker.exe and it gives me some kind of error stating that it can not find or load the device, odd!

[Super XP]

CUZ ATI is retarded, if you have the 1.1ns chips on the xt like I do there is no difference in the cards aside from stock clock speed

xt is 625/725

xtx is 650/775



http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/?se...0&Submit=Search

download the appropriate bios...

on the same page download winflash 1.05

no open the proggy and save your old bios...

then load the new one and flash it... then reboot when prompted...

simple as that...

For all that don't know, ATI made a stupid mistake.

Here are the Clock Speeds which should of been.

X1900XT
650MHz / 1600MHz

X1900XTX
750MHz / 1750MHz

But the problem I think is there Crossfire Master Card which runs @ X1900XT speeds even when you plug in a X1900XTX, the XTX clocks down to the XT.

Unless ATI comes out with amazing new drivers to take full advantage the there 512-Bit ring bus mem controller & there 48 Shader Engines, there clock speeds are way too slow.

[Super XP]

I've noticed that the Current status to the request frequencies will change in 3DMark, but when i load a game like COD and look at it, the current status is still set to 600/500 for some odd reason. BTW ATI TOOL Beta doesn't work for me, when i do set the same overclock frequencies and load a game the monitor goes out of sync, but windows is still in operation. Also i have ran Overclocker.exe and it gives me some kind of error stating that it can not find or load the device, odd!


The (R580) X1900XTX & XT are very new. So, no matter what ATI says all drivers released which state R580 support are still in beta form.

The Cat 6.3 & above should resolve any speed problems & overclocking problems IMO, I mean, they just came out & are very new. I am sure the X1900 also has issues with games, because it is so new.

[Dynamic]

I figured since they really didn't say much regarding the R580 in their 6.2 drivers. Anyhow i just ran COD2 on 1280x1024 Tri 4AA smooth, but when there was HDR present (never seen such a thing in games before, first to own an HDR card, hehe) the game lagged slightly. I'm very happy with the performance for the amount that i paid for.

[Super XP]

I figured since they really didn't say much regarding the R580 in their 6.2 drivers. Anyhow i just ran COD2 on 1280x1024 Tri 4AA smooth, but when there was HDR present (never seen such a thing in games before, first to own an HDR card, hehe) the game lagged slightly. I'm very happy with the performance for the amount that i paid for.


I am glad you are happy with your card. I am getting my X1900XT tomorrow :)

Other people had problems running COD2 & BF2 & even F.E.A.R sometimes. It is a driver issue & the game developers problem. ATI will have a fix & you will gain even more FPS, because the X1900 performs even better then what I've seen.

[Dynamic]

I am glad you are happy with your card. I am getting my X1900XT tomorrow :)

Other people had problems running COD2 & BF2 & even F.E.A.R sometimes. It is a driver issue & the game developers problem. ATI will have a fix & you will gain even more FPS, because the X1900 performs even better then what I've seen.

That's what i'm hoping for next months drivers release from ATI. Congrats on your new R580, i only paid $508 for it, not bad....

[EastCoasthandle]

I was wondering if maybe we can get this thread into a stick...How do you go about it?

[Quake2owns]

My x1800xtpe @ 750 /900 cpu @ 2.8 ghz scores 11100 in 3dmark05.

[Super XP]

I just finished putting my HS back on my X1900XT and i can clearly state that my memory is 1.1ns. I've also cleaned off the thermal compound that was there from factory and put AS5. I set my fan to max with OVERCLOCKER.exe, 4950RPM and benchmarked with 3DMark06 with clocks 689/797 set with OVERDRIVE and didn't break 60c underload.

3DMark06

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6291/3dmark05x1900xt6897975ca.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark05x1900xt6897975ca.jpg)


From what I've read & people I talked to within ATI, the X1900XT & X1900XTX is the same 100% - the only difference is the clock speeds. In other words, the X1900XTX are all X1900XT's but with a bios flash into a XTX.

So, it is very safe to say that all ATI Radeon X1900XT's have 1.1 memory.

[Icewind31]

Despite the slower rated ram and clock (default 500/480) etc... I managed to bump the GPU up to 600mhz w/ 1.2V (default is 1.175), and memory to 650 (default voltage 2.099) ... and was able to hit 10K on 05!!... haven't done 06 yet... and I want to clock further... but I'm doing all this on stock currently >=]... btw my stock heatsink came w/ the copper core area mirror finished.

linkie to 3D05 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1814067

I'm sure I can get higher... but I wanna wait till I get better cooling >=]

[Dynamic]

3000+ Venice @2.7GHz Memory at 245Mhz DDR471 2252 and X1900XT @700/1.6GHz

3DMark06

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1527/3dmark0627ghzcpuand700800gfx5q.th.jpg (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark0627ghzcpuand700800gfx5q.jpg)

[Azhago]

Hello,
Here are my experiences with x1900XT O/C

http://img140.imageshack.us/full.php?image=3dmark066tf.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark7ig.jpg

734@1.55v / 864@2.1v

[freemane70]

CUZ ATI is retarded, if you have the 1.1ns chips on the xt like I do there is no difference in the cards aside from stock clock speed

xt is 625/725

xtx is 650/775



http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/?se...0&Submit=Search

download the appropriate bios...

on the same page download winflash 1.05

no open the proggy and save your old bios...

then load the new one and flash it... then reboot when prompted...

simple as that...

Hello there

I want to flash my Bios with Winflash 1.05, here is the question:

The program said : P/N Mismatch :confused: when I click program.

Do I have to force the Flash...?

Thanks for your appreciate feedback :respect:

Sincerely
Freemane

[Dynamic]

Yes, usually you are suppose to force the flashes with ATIFLASH.

[Dynamic]

Hello,
Here are my experiences with x1900XT O/C

http://img140.imageshack.us/full.php?image=3dmark066tf.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark7ig.jpg

734@1.55v / 864@2.1v

So you got the ATI TOOL BETA13 working with yours? You didn't happen to also unlock the OVERDRIVE before the ATI TOOL installation? I had problems with mine, the screen would go out of sync when i tried using my overclock settings on 3d detection. I've been meaning to start using ATI TOOL again since it does have voltage adjustments for the CORE/MEMORY for these cards which is a plus. Let me know, thanks.

Note: Great scores btw...

[Dynamic]

EastCoasthandle,
Did you use anything special on your camera to get those close shots in. I got a Canon SD100 3.2mp and i've tried getting close shots off the R580 memory module and it's blurry. I heard there is a particular setting you can use to get that shot in, but can't remember or find it for the life of me, please confirm, thanks.

[EastCoasthandle]

EastCoasthandle,
Did you use anything special on your camera to get those close shots in. I got a Canon SD100 3.2mp and i've tried getting close shots off the R580 memory module and it's blurry. I heard there is a particular setting you can use to get that shot in, but can't remember or find it for the life of me, please confirm, thanks.


Canon Digital Rebel SLR, 28-90 lens, Quantum
Try to use a macro setting if possible, then zoom all the way out. Then manual place the camera closer to the object. don't use zoom on macro settings. If you can't do that then zoom all the way out then manually walk up on the object with your camera, let it auto focus then, pause, auto focus again (slight taps on the main picture taking button) then shoot. Take several shots...you should fine the prime photo out the bunch. Remember, its takes more then 1 shot. You need a photo program to review your shots and pic the best one, delete the rest.

[Azhago]

So you got the ATI TOOL BETA13 working with yours? You didn't happen to also unlock the OVERDRIVE before the ATI TOOL installation? I had problems with mine, the screen would go out of sync when i tried using my overclock settings on 3d detection. I've been meaning to start using ATI TOOL again since it does have voltage adjustments for the CORE/MEMORY for these cards which is a plus. Let me know, thanks.

Yes, i just use AtiTool b13 with 3D detection (and for that, a "2D" profile and a "3D" profile)
For the Overdrive, in fact, the first thing i've done before using Atitool is to disable ATI Hotkey service and reboot my PC. With Ati Hotkey disable from startup, the ATI2xxxx driver is not used anymore by the systeme, so only ATI Tool is used to manage the 2D and 3D modes for the CG. Now, when i go in Overdrive panel, there is nothing to see, only "ATI Overdrive capabilities have not been properly initialized yet."


In that way, i keep 500/600MHz @ 1.15vgpu / 1.9vmem for 2D mode, ant Atitool automaticaly load the 3D profile when 3D app is detected (732/864MHz @ 1.5/2.1) - and load back the 2D profile when 3D appz is closed.

[Super XP]

Yes, i just use AtiTool b13 with 3D detection (and for that, a "2D" profile and a "3D" profile)
For the Overdrive, in fact, the first thing i've done before using Atitool is to disable ATI Hotkey service and reboot my PC. With Ati Hotkey disable from startup, the ATI2xxxx driver is not used anymore by the systeme, so only ATI Tool is used to manage the 2D and 3D modes for the CG. Now, when i go in Overdrive panel, there is nothing to see, only "ATI Overdrive capabilities have not been properly initialized yet."


In that way, i keep 500/600MHz @ 1.15vgpu / 1.9vmem for 2D mode, ant Atitool automaticaly load the 3D profile when 3D app is detected (732/864MHz @ 1.5/2.1) - and load back the 2D profile when 3D appz is closed.


So, in ATI Tool when you adjust the core & mem clocks, from it's 500/600 to say 700/800 is this also overclocking the 2D or just the 3D, how can I tell?

Because a friend of mine fried his X1800XT because when he was OC'ing his card, the 2D was OC'ing with the 3D - which screwed up his 2D & rendered his card useless.

Because I like ATI Tool, I think it is the best OC'ing utility out right now, and I hate ATI's overdrive, because the Core is capped @ 690 & the Mem is capped @ 800.

Thanks

[ISSA2000]

:banghead: [QUOTE=ISSA2000]his 1900 xtx (5.13 ) default system non overclocked t2 memory 1:2 ratio
4800 (clock 2400) dfi expert board
2g ram ddr400 (500+)

i got a his ati 1900xtx 512mb video card
4800 (2gram) dfi expert board.

all default settings (tested fully-memory) etc.

dfi chipset can get to 70dc (55-60 idel)



after the system is on for 1/2 hour

ide; temp (via ati) 69d celc for the video card

it can get to 112 (ati) ant ati tools b13 (via mbm 118) playing bf2

using 6.2 drivers

from time to time the system crashes (after a while playing) - monitor showing
(searching for dvi)
etc


did my card shut down (on restart it works)

is it something else.

iv removed mbm + ati tools, and reinstalled 6.2

tryed (non unlocking) and unlocking but (i do not overclock card)

------------

whats the problem ? it does not allways crash- but does it allot.

[Azhago]

So, in ATI Tool when you adjust the core & mem clocks, from it's 500/600 to say 700/800 is this also overclocking the 2D or just the 3D, how can I tell?

Because a friend of mine fried his X1800XT because when he was OC'ing his card, the 2D was OC'ing with the 3D - which screwed up his 2D & rendered his card useless.

Because I like ATI Tool, I think it is the best OC'ing utility out right now, and I hate ATI's overdrive, because the Core is capped @ 690 & the Mem is capped @ 800.

Thanks

Ok, i'll try to make my explications more clear. Sorry for my bad english.

When you use atitool and when you disable the "ati hotkey" service, there IS NO MORE 2D or 3D mode.
So, when you OC, your card is ALWAYS at the freq. and voltage you assign to it.
Maybe your friend who fried his x1800 use for a too long time high voltages.

The trick is to create two profiles in ATI Tool.

First, save a profile called "2D-mod" (for example), with the 2D mod's setting for your card : 500MHz / 1.175v for the GPU and 600 / 2.1v for the memory (in my case, 1.955v . The memory on my card can run @ 750MHz @ 1.955v, need only 2.1v above)
Save also the voltage to this profile !!

Second point : Push the voltage, then, OC you card to your desired freq.
Save the profile under the name you want (example : 3D-mod)
Save also the voltages in this profile.

Now, in the "3D detection" panel of ATITOOL, check the "3D detection enable", and then add your 2d and 3D profiles, as in the picture below :
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5807/atitool8fa.th.jpg (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=atitool8fa.jpg)

When a program that need 3D (like a game) is launch, Atitool swap the profile to the "3D mode", and OC your card. When you close the game, 2D mode is load.

Now, you have a 2D and a 3D mode for your card, but with an OC 3D mode now ;)

[Super XP]

Ok, i'll try to make my explications more clear. Sorry for my bad english.

When you use atitool and when you disable the "ati hotkey" service, there IS NO MORE 2D or 3D mode.
So, when you OC, your card is ALWAYS at the freq. and voltage you assign to it.
Maybe your friend who fried his x1800 use for a too long time high voltages.

The trick is to create two profiles in ATI Tool.

First, save a profile called "2D-mod" (for example), with the 2D mod's setting for your card : 500MHz / 1.175v for the GPU and 600 / 2.1v for the memory (in my case, 1.955v . The memory on my card can run @ 750MHz @ 1.955v, need only 2.1v above)
Save also the voltage to this profile !!

Second point : Push the voltage, then, OC you card to your desired freq.
Save the profile under the name you want (example : 3D-mod)
Save also the voltages in this profile.

Now, in the "3D detection" panel of ATITOOL, check the "3D detection enable", and then add your 2d and 3D profiles, as in the picture below :
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5807/atitool8fa.th.jpg (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=atitool8fa.jpg)

When a program that need 3D (like a game) is launch, Atitool swap the profile to the "3D mode", and OC your card. When you close the game, 2D mode is load.

Now, you have a 2D and a 3D mode for your card, but with an OC 3D mode now ;)
-------------------

Thank you very much. I now understand 100% - do you know the stock voltage which the ATI Overdrie uses? like for 3D profile? for X1900XT & XTX ?

I think that should give me a general idea on stable volts at the 3D speeds.

Thank You,

[Azhago]

In 2D mode, the GPU voltage is 1.175v - Vmeme is 2.1
In 3D mode, the GPU voltage is 1.45v - vmeme still 2.1

You have to test yourself the stable voltage for YOUR card.
On mine, GPU is stable @ 700MHz / 1.4v - and @ 732 @ 1.52v
Mem stable @ 800MHz @ 1.95v and at 864 @ 2.1v.

A friend of mine card need 1.55 @ 700MHz (GPU) and 2.3 @ 800MHz for the mem.

It is still overclocking, so results can be different for each card - and linked to the cooling too.

I cool the voltage heatsink with a lowspeed turbine blowing on it. Cooling it can help, i guess.

[EastCoasthandle]

In 2D mode, the GPU voltage is 1.175v - Vmeme is 2.1
In 3D mode, the GPU voltage is 1.45v - vmeme still 2.1

You have to test yourself the stable voltage for YOUR card.
On mine, GPU is stable @ 700MHz / 1.4v - and @ 732 @ 1.52v
Mem stable @ 800MHz @ 1.95v and at 864 @ 2.1v.

A friend of mine card need 1.55 @ 700MHz (GPU) and 2.3 @ 800MHz for the mem.

It is still overclocking, so results can be different for each card - and linked to the cooling too.

I cool the voltage heatsink with a lowspeed turbine blowing on it. Cooling it can help, i guess.

is that only the second slider when dealing with MEM or is it the 2nd and 3rd slider?

[Super XP]

is that only the second slider when dealing with MEM or is it the 2nd and 3rd slider?

Good point.

One thing I know is that you "MUST" keep the MVDDC & MVDDQ @ the same voltage no matter what. Then you will OC successfully :)

Now i ask, how does VDDCI affect anything if we OC it?

[Dynamic]

:banghead: [QUOTE=ISSA2000]his 1900 xtx (5.13 ) default system non overclocked t2 memory 1:2 ratio
4800 (clock 2400) dfi expert board
2g ram ddr400 (500+)

i got a his ati 1900xtx 512mb video card
4800 (2gram) dfi expert board.

all default settings (tested fully-memory) etc.

dfi chipset can get to 70dc (55-60 idel)



after the system is on for 1/2 hour

ide; temp (via ati) 69d celc for the video card

it can get to 112 (ati) ant ati tools b13 (via mbm 118) playing bf2

using 6.2 drivers

from time to time the system crashes (after a while playing) - monitor showing
(searching for dvi)
etc


did my card shut down (on restart it works)

is it something else.

iv removed mbm + ati tools, and reinstalled 6.2

tryed (non unlocking) and unlocking but (i do not overclock card)

------------

whats the problem ? it does not allways crash- but does it allot.


To me it sounds like you're having a heating problem. What's the temps in your room? How is the air circulation in your system? I have a DFI NF4-D as well, but my Chipset temps doesn't go anywhere beyond 43c dude, you are overheating and that's why your monitor goes out of sync (black screens).

[Dynamic]

Azhago,
y0 thank you so much for the reply and the great information. I was starting to get pissed off since i've used ATI TOOL .24 on my GTO and never had problems, but i figured since it's a new GFX CARD "X1900" and a beta ATI TOOL then probably would be buggy as well. Then i thought, "Why are some people not having problems like me with the B13" So i guess i'll give it another shot with ATI TOOL B13 when i get home tonight after work. I'll disable the services from the 2d/3d process from the CCC and see what happens when i use ATI TOOL B13. If i have any more problems i'll let you guys know, thanks.

Note:BTW the artifact scanner doesn't work with the X1900 and B13 right? Azhago, how did you noticed that you were stable at those speeds and votages...played games?

[ViperJohn]

Good point.

One thing I know is that you "MUST" keep the MVDDC & MVDDQ @ the same voltage no matter what. Then you will OC successfully :)

Now i ask, how does VDDCI affect anything if we OC it?

Must be your particular card because that is definately not typical. Run Vddq stock or just slightly higher and lean on the Vdd but only if you have good ramsinks.

VDDCI is a mystery. It might/could be the cores I/O buffer or the memory controller voltage but it any case it is already running fairly hot at 1.4+ and I have not played with it at all to get good ATItool OC's.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

is that only the second slider when dealing with MEM or is it the 2nd and 3rd slider?

MVDDC. Leave MVVDQ a stock initially and see what the memory will OC to on Vdd increase alone before bumping the memory I/O buffer (MVVDQ) voltage. Use good ramsinks with increased memory voltages too.

Viper

[Azhago]

Note:BTW the artifact scanner doesn't work with the X1900 and B13 right? Azhago, how did you noticed that you were stable at those speeds and votages...played games?

Yes, artifact scanning doesn't work with x1xxx. Maybe in the future.

For testing the stability :
3DMARK 03 and 05 each 10MHz :P
3DMARK 03 make more artifact or hang faster than '05.

And after, yes, games :D

[Dynamic]

That's got to be strange really! I know what you're talking about because if you really want to stress a system out (CPU/RAM/GFX CARD) then instead of running a kiddy game run something that supports HDR/SOFTSHADOWING then you'll notice if your system is stable or not because it tends to drain more power and heat out of that compared to a game that is from 03/04.

I.E. run COD2 instead of COD1, you get the picture...and don't cheat yourself by switching the DirectX from 9 to 7, run it at 9, hehehe.

[Dynamic]

That's probably the reason why my monitor either goes out of sync or my system restarts when i move the levels for CORE/MEMORY from 625/725 to 700/800 in ATI TOOL B13 because i'm not giving it any higher voltages then the stock voltages it's set at don't you think? So don't think just because if someone has their X1900XT/XTX at a particular voltage overclocked that you will have the same results with those voltages on your card. Can't wait to get home tonight and fry i mean overclock my card, LOL!

[EastCoasthandle]

That's probably the reason why my monitor either goes out of sync or my system restarts when i move the levels for CORE/MEMORY from 625/725 to 700/800 in ATI TOOL B13 because i'm not giving it any higher voltages then the stock voltages it's set at don't you think? So don't think just because if someone has their X1900XT/XTX at a particular voltage overclocked that you will have the same results with those voltages on your card. Can't wait to get home tonight and fry i mean overclock my card, LOL!

Friendly advice, make sure you have good ventilation for your PSU and video card. Put another fan on the other side if you have to. Make sure you remove the dust from inside with a can of air.

Get as much efficiency from your PSU as you can.

[EastCoasthandle]

This is not making sense. What other services must you disable when ATI Tool reports that it has disabled them for you? How do you go about disabling them? What are you disabling (I need the exact file names) that ATI Tool did not disable? I do have ATI OverDrive enabled but I don't know what you are talking about. If ATI Tool doesn't disables these services what more am I to do??

[ViperJohn]

This is not making sense. What other services must you disable when ATI Tool reports that it has disabled them for you? How do you go about disabling them? What are you disabling (I need the exact file names) that ATI Tool did not disable? I do have ATI OverDrive enabled but I don't know what you are talking about. If ATI Tool doesn't disables these services what more am I to do??

ATItool doesn't disable any services. It will close running instances of Ati2evxx.exe in the current Windows session whch disables the 2D/3D splits clocks and Vcore on XT or better cards. If you disable the ATI Hot Key Poller Service that permanently disables the2D/3D splits clocks and Vcore, CCC overclocking and the PC shutdown cold bug in one whack.

Viper

[Jodiuh]

...3DMARK 03 make more artifact or hang faster than '05.

I have found the nature test in 03 to be the most easily artied. Crank up the res/AA/AS and let the tearing begin!

[EastCoasthandle]

I have found the nature test in 03 to be the most easily artied. Crank up the res/AA/AS and let the tearing begin!

I haven't seen it art. but it does creep down from time to time.

[EastCoasthandle]

why isn't this a stick yet??

[Super XP]

Can anybody explain this?

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1742/atitoolproblems7wx.jpg

It get's this way I only use the scan feature, and the card is not even OC'ed ??

Thanks,

[ViperJohn]

Can anybody explain this?

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1742/atitoolproblems7wx.jpg

It get's this way I only use the scan feature, and the card is not even OC'ed ??

Thanks,

If that is a pure stock card and drivers the card is probably bad.

Viper

[Super XP]

Well, it only does that when I want to scan with ATI Tool. Someone from another thread told me that the new ATI CCC 6.3's should fix that problem ??

I don't know about that. Well, I do have warrenty so I will see.


Thanks.

[EastCoasthandle]

Can anybody explain this?

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1742/atitoolproblems7wx.jpg

It get's this way I only use the scan feature, and the card is not even OC'ed ??

Thanks,

Try to keep your mosfets and vregs cool. Here let me show you.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/fan4vregs2.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/Vreg45Ctemp.jpg

[yogurt_21]

ummm i'd try to mount that fan better lol.

[oarsome]

Okay so I've got an ATI x1900xt, bios flashed to x1900xtx

I've overclocked with ati tool 0.25 beta 14

I'm managed to reach

747/864 artifact free
my voltages are:
VGPU 1.575
MVDDC 2.157
MVDDQ 2.157
VDDCI 1.575

Temps idle/load:
Voltage regulators 51/84
GPU Temp 30/41
Temp of temp chip 33/40

Cooling
Swiftech MCW55 waterblock 1/2
Swiftech BGA memory sinks
arcticsilver applied to mosfets heatsink

3DMark05 13017
3DMark06 5691 seems low for clocks

Any words of wisdom?

I'm concerned that my core voltages are too high, what you do folks think, am I shortening the life of my card?

Or is my cooling sufficient to the volts?

Any tweaks so I can get my memory to 900 the rated spec?
cheers,

a.

[yogurt_21]

odd on my x1800xt i can get my memory to 927 on stock volts, actually i get artifacts with higher voltage and not at stock, I've heard it's do to the mem being heat sensitive more than volt sensitive.

the wierd thing is my x1800 has 1.26ns mem (ie 1000/1.26 ~ 800x2=1600MHZ max rated)
and your x1900 has 1.1ns memory (ie 1000/1.1 ~ 910x2=1820 max rated)
and yours is maxing out at 865 thus 1730 which mine achieved on stock cooling again with worse ns mem.

granted you x1900 easily outperforms mine at the same speed, but it's still odd, i would have thought that the x1900's would easily hit 2GHZ+ with that cooling. the core makes sense due to the 48 shaders, too complicated to achive higher clocks.

I'd recomend doing stock voltage overclocking like I did here
http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/forums/showthread.php?p=13146#post13146
post# 35
one thing at a time thus finding the max the core will do at stock volts, then clocking it down and finding the max for the mem. then adjust the core voltage only and see what you can hit without artifacts or freezing, something tells me that your mem doesn't like the high volts, you might even have to drop the mem a bit to say 1.996 like chew did.

[oarsome]

Okay so I've gone back and tried what you suggested

At stock voltages

I can achieve
714/594
499/855

I havn't tried to put them together though

I played some more and continued to bump core voltage up to 1.575 and max core is still 747

How does VDDCI effect the equation, should I leave it stock or keep on par with core voltage?

any ideas?

[Dynamic]

Besides the internal fan cooler inside the R580 intakes air from the back of the card and exhaust air through the front. Why don't you relocate the fan unless you're happy with the performance now....


BTW a successful flash with the Sapphire X1900XTX bios...so i got me a Sapphire X1900XTX for only $508 bucks... :rockout:

[yogurt_21]

not sure about the VDDCI you'd have to ask w1zzard about that. but if you can manage to keep the core volts at say around 1.45 and leave the mem volts at stock it seems you might be able to reach ~730/855 which would be a more recomended voltage setting for the long term. that would still give you plenty of performance. well from my perstective anyways seeing as you 05 score is around 2000pts higher than my best.

[Super XP]

Okay so I've got an ATI x1900xt, bios flashed to x1900xtx

I've overclocked with ati tool 0.25 beta 14

I'm managed to reach

747/864 artifact free
my voltages are:
VGPU 1.575
MVDDC 2.157
MVDDQ 2.157
VDDCI 1.575

Temps idle/load:
Voltage regulators 51/84
GPU Temp 30/41
Temp of temp chip 33/40

Cooling
Swiftech MCW55 waterblock 1/2
Swiftech BGA memory sinks
arcticsilver applied to mosfets heatsink

3DMark05 13017
3DMark06 5691 seems low for clocks

Any words of wisdom?

I'm concerned that my core voltages are too high, what you do folks think, am I shortening the life of my card?

Or is my cooling sufficient to the volts?

Any tweaks so I can get my memory to 900 the rated spec?
cheers,

a.

If your card is running too hot, then you will not get a good score. I don't trust the CCC's temp's also.

[Super XP]

O.K. here are three links so that I can show you the problem I have with F.E.A.R - and I am now using the CCC Beta 6.1 1/2 drivers, because the stock from the CD, the 6.1's & 6.2's always gives me an error message, and the 6.1 don't even know what card I have.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/2265/fearproblem024jk.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5620/fearproblem012vl.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4554/fearproblem037ko.jpg

Why is it artifacting anyway? this also happends to Dungeon Siege 2, and it don't matter what quality settings I use. Also my card is Bone Stock with a Fresh format & instal of Windows XP SP-2 - and no ATI Tool installed, and still does this crap?

Is my card defective? And does ATI offer "Advanced Replacement" I mean this card does cost a shit load of cash.

[yogurt_21]

seems like overheating memory to me, that or simply faulty mem, ati doesn't do an advance rma, you will have to pay to ship it to them, but they will usually resolve it and get you your card fixed or a new one in under 5 business days.
https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894

[Super XP]

seems like overheating memory to me, that or simply faulty mem, ati doesn't do an advance rma, you will have to pay to ship it to them, but they will usually resolve it and get you your card fixed or a new one in under 5 business days.
https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894


Thanks for the info & link :)

Do you think I should wait for the new CCC 6.3's or just get another card? ALso someone else I know plays FEAR with the XT no problems with CCC 6.2.

[ViperJohn]

I read a post by houserate (sp) who suggested that we maybe using way to much voltage when overclocking. I did some subjective testing, here are the results...

X1900xtx
P5WD2-E Prem
660 3.6 OC to 4.2
X-Fi Platnium
PC Power and Cooling 510 Express/SLI
*120MM Fan on Vregs and Mosfets (with copper heatsink...results will very)
ATI TOOL OC to 711/810 that's only 11MHz on core and 10 MHZ Mem higher then CCC Overdrive

During the initial OC at 1.40/2.160/2.160 the Vreg reached as high as 58C.
During the recent OC @ 1.35/2.130/2.130 the Vreg reached as high as 55C.
It appears that the lower voltage increased HDR/SM 3.0 scores. This is subjective opinion.

Ok here is what happens when I reduce:
VGPU from 1.40 to 1.35
MVDDC/MVDDQ from 2.160 to 2.130
Score on 3DMARK06 5791 (again, subjective however, this is with a lower voltage regardless if its only a 3 mark gain from 5789). This would sugges that we are playing a juggling act with heat and voltage not with the core and mem but with the mosfets and vregs!!! If you water cool you need some serious cooling for those vregs/mosfets! If you do it's possible to see an nice bump using the same core/mem OC's!
ATI Vreg water cooler. (http://www.alphacool.de/xt/product_info.php?products_id=3780&cPath=5_18_291) <--This is the only water cooled solution I that was given to me that I know of to date. Any suggestions is appreacited.

What you are looking at is normal run to run score variation. Changing the voltages will have no effect on the scores unless you lower them so far that the card is artifacting so badly that it effects the score (always lower when it does). It is clock speed and memory timings that effect the cards through put and score.

Anytime you go to a fanless GPU cooling solutions you need to take care of the loss of on card power supply cooling air. That is relatively easy to take care of. High on card PS area temps can effect a card memory OC as the heat from the PS area conducts through the PCB glass adding heat load to the closet memory chips.

Viper

[Dynamic]

Yeah FutureMark scores always very by one to another on the same rig. Doesn't make a difference what you change with the voltages. Anyhow i haven't installed b14 but is it working for you people because i would get stuttering in COD with b13 not using the overclock even.

[ViperJohn]

Yeah FutureMark scores always very by one to another on the same rig. Doesn't make a difference what you change with the voltages. Anyhow i haven't installed b14 but is it working for you people because i would get stuttering in COD with b13 not using the overclock even.

Seems to me Futuremark at one time said .05% is the margin of error that can be expected run to run but I have found it closer than that myself.

Viper

[EastCoasthandle]

What you are looking at is normal run to run score variation. Changing the voltages will have no effect on the scores unless you lower them so far that the card is artifacting so badly that it effects the score (always lower when it does). It is clock speed and memory timings that effect the cards through put and score.

Anytime you go to a fanless GPU cooling solutions you need to take care of the loss of on card power supply cooling air. That is relatively easy to take care of. High on card PS area temps can effect a card memory OC as the heat from the PS area conducts through the PCB glass adding heat load to the closet memory chips.

Viper
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
ViperJohn that is not what I am discussing, I am pointing out a fact that the amount of voltage needed to obtain a certain frame rate may not be that much, depending on OC.

[ViperJohn]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
ViperJohn that is not what I am discussing, I am pointing out a fact that the amount of voltage needed to obtain a certain frame rate may not be that much, depending on OC.

The cards clocks and memory timings determine the card speed and the resulting frame rate in games. If you hold the clocks and memory timings the same and just change the voltages there will be no change in card speed or frame rate.

Viper

[EastCoasthandle]

VJ I am not sure you are right about this. I am getting consistant drops in frame rate with voltage higher then needed. If I lower them my frame rates increase. Maybe its the card or setup, whatever the case its happening.

[ViperJohn]

VJ I am not sure you are right about this. I am getting consistant drops in frame rate with voltage higher then needed. If I lower them my frame rates increase. Maybe its the card or setup, whatever the case its happening.

Well do in 3-5 cards per week and god only knows how many benchmark passes a week and I have never seen it. Voltages do not effect card speed and frame rate IF the card is running clean. If it is in fact happening to you it is an anomoly and cetainly not the norm.

Viper

[hotrippr]

Well do in 3-5 cards per week and god only knows how many benchmark passes a week and I have never seen it. Voltages do not effect card speed and frame rate IF the card is running clean. If it is in fact happening to you it is an anomoly and cetainly not the norm.

Viper
Have you thoght maybe you are both right? My guess would be that it is the higher temps that more volts can cause. Not actual volts. Speed(viper) and heat(EastCH) will affect your score.
My hyp: if you dont increase any speed(clocks) but increase volts(heat) you should have a lower score.

IMO 1900s have been a pain in the rear to oc, very finicky. Hats off to W1zard for atitool.:respect:

[ViperJohn]

Have you thoght maybe you are both right? My guess would be that it is the higher temps that more volts can cause. Not actual volts. Speed(viper) and heat(EastCH) will affect your score.
My hyp: if you dont increase any speed(clocks) but increase volts(heat) you should have a lower score.

IMO 1900s have been a pain in the rear to oc, very finicky. Hats off to W1zard for atitool.:respect:

Heat only limits the clock speeds you can run clean not the card speed, benchmark scores and frame rates you will get from a given clock speed.

I did think of one thing that may do what ECH is experiencing if he is using the CCC to OC the cards. If the core temp goes up to high the drivers will lower the OC dynamically to reduce core heating and that will effect the scores and frame rates.

Viper

[yogurt_21]

well shoot I don't know what you guys are arguing about, why would anybodu overvolt a card they aren't overclocking? seems like a good way to kill your card without recieving a performance boost. lol

[ViperJohn]

well shoot I don't know what you guys are arguing about, why would anybodu overvolt a card they aren't overclocking? seems like a good way to kill your card without recieving a performance boost. lol

This is a discussion not an arguement and I do not think anyone is talking obout over volting witout over clocking at the same time.

A properly modded card can live longer than the same card stock, even with increased voltages as long as you do not go nuts with them (which is not possible with an x1900 without hard mods) due to the hugh temperature reductions the modded card runs with.

Viper

[ccokeman]

Sorry to change the subject but i just looked at ati tool comeing out of the GT-1 in 3d03 and it was showing a gpu current draw of 24.2amps. Was a bit shocked to see it pull that much current at 698/810. Gpu 1.475, MVDDC 2.130,MVDDQ 2.102,VDDCI 1.5. How accurate is ATI tool on the current draw. I'm using .25beta13b

[ViperJohn]

Sorry to change the subject but i just looked at ati tool comeing out of the GT-1 in 3d03 and it was showing a gpu current draw of 24.2amps. Was a bit shocked to see it pull that much current at 698/810. Gpu 1.475, MVDDC 2.130,MVDDQ 2.102,VDDCI 1.5. How accurate is ATI tool on the current draw. I'm using .25beta13b

24.2 amps is nothing. That isn't even 36 watts GPU input at 1.475 Vcore.

Viper

[ccokeman]

So that means its not pulling 24 amps off the 12v line? If not then i should still be ok with my powerstream 520 sli. When i saw that i figured it only left 9a to run the rest of the system.

[dolf]

Make difference between 25 amps at 1.475 V and 25 amps at 12V (it is almost 8 times higher power).

[JDAdams]

Got a Sapphire X1900XT from scan.co.uk here that won't go above 650/725 (yup, stock memory) without crashing (higher core clock) or artefacting in 3DMark05 Test 3 (higher mem clock). Suspect a problem with my Antec TrueControl 550PGB PSU - didn't have dedicated PCI-E lines, or a 24-pin connector, and only provided 24A 12V. Have now picked up an Enermax Liberty ELT620AWT, will see if that helps.

[Jodiuh]

...and only provided 24A 12V. Have now picked up an Enermax Liberty ELT620AWT, will see if that helps.

lol, you answered your own question and solved the problem in the same post. Good times, eh?

So far I've got mine up to max CCC 690/800. Looks good so far as I just jumped from stock XTX speeds and got no issues whatsoever. Also, it's "overdrive testing optimal settings" button auto detected really high too...within 5 mhz of max. Is that pretty much the norm?

[ViperJohn]

So that means its not pulling 24 amps off the 12v line? If not then i should still be ok with my powerstream 520 sli. When i saw that i figured it only left 9a to run the rest of the system.

Correct...that is the current draw off the on-card Vcore PS.

An x1900 is no slouch in the "leaning on the 12V rail" thought. A stone stock x1900XTX has peak loaded 3D power draws of about 121 watts off the Computer PS's 12V rail or a tad over 10amps peak at 12 even.

Viper

[JDAdams]

Still artefacting on Canyon Flight 05 if I push the memory above stock - 725 it is then.

[ccokeman]

Correct...that is the current draw off the on-card Vcore PS.

An x1900 is no slouch in the "leaning on the 12V rail" thought. A stone stock x1900XTX has peak loaded 3D power draws of about 121 watts off the Computer PS's 12V rail or a tad over 10amps peak at 12 even.

Viper
Thanks again for clearing it up.

[EastCoasthandle]

Is there anyone else out ther with successful overclocking results?

[JDAdams]

Wasn't getting anywhere O/Cing that card so have paired it with a Crossfire Edition X1900 - can't complain about the performance now :D

[clement812]

http://img.techpowerup.org/060316/3DM2003275.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/060316/3DM2005557.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/060316/3DM2006661.jpg

My Cool AIW X1900 :rockout:

[TimEG]

Hi guys, I'm a new member so firstly hi to everyone here. Some interesting info on this site so keep up the good work.

I've just got my x1900xt and I'm having a few probs OC'ing it even after following all the advice on this forum. Using CCC is says that I can pretty much run at the max settings but no matter what I set the sliders too it makes no difference to my benchmarks. The actual value says 500/600 and it remains like that, even when I'm running a 3D application. Does this mean that my games are running at 500/600?

Using ATI tools I tried setting the VGPU to 1.3 and then the clocks to 650/775 (Same as the XTX) and it works fine. I find that I get an extra 10 frames in F.E.A.R this way but when I run the artifact scanner in ATI Tool I can hear a strange pulsing coming from the GFX card. Does this mean I'm damaging the card? It doesn't make this noise in game, only when checking for artifacts.

I only really want to run at XTX speeds, no higher. Why can I gain extra FPS if I use ATI tool but not CCC even when I set to the same value?

Any ideas greatly appreciated!

[Crossfirepain]

Hey all,

I followed directions a few pages back for setting up a 2D and 3D profile with ati tool
I have two x1900's in crossfire, the profiles work, but ONLY for the card that is currently
selected with the program, is it possible to get BOTH cards to respond to the profiles?


Crossfirepain

[Super XP]

I just foundout that using ATI Tool makes my X1900XT unstable & when playing games like F.E.A.R, Dungeon Seige 2, Battle for Middle Earth 2 or even Quake 4, I get artifacts then after after a little while, I get an error message.

Now I am only using ATI's Overdrive. And the only thing I am using ATI Tool 0.25 Beta 14 for is for FAN Control. That is it.

So, when I un-instal the ATI Tool, the games run super fine with no problems & score higher in 3D Mark 01, 03, 05 & 06.

I wonder why I am having this problem. I really would like to control the Fan so that my card won't get too hot. I like to keep it at around 60C or so on full load.

I already RMA's my first X1900XT, but now I realize that the first card was not the problem.

OS I am using is Windows XP MCE 2005 with full updates. And I am dual booting with Windows XP x64 with full updates.

Thanks.

[ThorAxe]

At the moment I only use ATI Tool for fan control. I have played all the way through FEAR like this without a hitch. When you installed ATI Tool did you say no to making the 2D/3D speeds the same?

[Crossfirepain]

I told it NOT to make the 2d and 3d clocks the same, i made a 2d and 3d profile, and double check the clocks with rivatuner, only the currently selected card changes with the profiles, is there any way to run two instances of atitool? then i could select each card at the same time. I am going to try and just manually load the 3d profile for the xtx, and switch to master, and let the profiles control the master, then manually load the 2d profile for the xtx when i am done with game, or whatever. I run the fans at like 70-80% and just trying to run clocks at stock for now on the cards. My issue is that with CCC i have an odd problem where using VGA connecter is fine, but crossfire with DVI my monitor keeps losing sync for some reason, but disabling CCC 2d/3d switching DVI is fine, so i am trying to isolate the problem.

Crossfirepain

[BrinNutz]

Alright..I've had my x1900xtx for a while now, and SuperXP can oblige, have had my problems with it.
I currently have 2 of the x1900xtx's, only one is sitting in a box collecting dust. BAH.

So I'm currently only using ATI Overdrive for overclockin and have it maxed at 690/1800 and everything runs fine.

My problems are :
When I tried to install the new omega drivers, or even the last set of omega drivers, I could not use ATI Tray Tools, it says that the BIOS was not recognized or something like that. I have no idea how, but I want to actually overclock this thing, especially after I eventually take off the cooler and hopefully lap it and throw on some AS5.

[Jodiuh]

FWIW: Ditch the 2hr lapping marathon for 5c and buy a $30 Accelero for (same as stock @ 100%) cooling capacity and bathe in the silence.

Of course you'll need to have good case chi for optimal air exhaust.

[mursaat]

Hi! first post, and it is to ask for help :o

I've got the same problem as BrinNutz, ATI Tray Tools 25 beta14 says BIOS not recognized, error and closes. I'm using the Catalyst 6.3 with CCC.

A second question if you dare: do the OC options I set with Overclocker are saved to use every reboot or should I overclock the card each time?

Thanks a lot! I'll try to help someone in my second post, promised :rolleyes:

//EDIT: I've read somewhere the problem with ATITray is with ATI, BBA and Sapphire (which makes sense since it's Sapphire who makes all these cards). Can the other brands be overclocked with ATT? Can my Sapphire X1900XT be flashed (with -f if necessary) to another brand's BIOS? Thanks again :)

[Super XP]

Hi! first post, and it is to ask for help :o

I've got the same problem as BrinNutz, ATI Tray Tools 25 beta14 says BIOS not recognized, error and closes. I'm using the Catalyst 6.3 with CCC.

A second question if you dare: do the OC options I set with Overclocker are saved to use every reboot or should I overclock the card each time?

Thanks a lot! I'll try to help someone in my second post, promised :rolleyes:

//EDIT: I've read somewhere the problem with ATITray is with ATI, BBA and Sapphire (which makes sense since it's Sapphire who makes all these cards). Can the other brands be overclocked with ATT? Can my Sapphire X1900XT be flashed (with -f if necessary) to another brand's BIOS? Thanks again :)

Try to save your OC profile, and only enable it when you want to play a game or something. Or use ATI Tool & enable the 3D Detection Tool so that you can play with your OC'ed settings, then it will go to 2D settings when not playing.

[EastCoasthandle]

Hi guys, I'm a new member so firstly hi to everyone here. Some interesting info on this site so keep up the good work.

I've just got my x1900xt and I'm having a few probs OC'ing it even after following all the advice on this forum. Using CCC is says that I can pretty much run at the max settings but no matter what I set the sliders too it makes no difference to my benchmarks. The actual value says 500/600 and it remains like that, even when I'm running a 3D application. Does this mean that my games are running at 500/600?

Using ATI tools I tried setting the VGPU to 1.3 and then the clocks to 650/775 (Same as the XTX) and it works fine. I find that I get an extra 10 frames in F.E.A.R this way but when I run the artifact scanner in ATI Tool I can hear a strange pulsing coming from the GFX card. Does this mean I'm damaging the card? It doesn't make this noise in game, only when checking for artifacts.

I only really want to run at XTX speeds, no higher. Why can I gain extra FPS if I use ATI tool but not CCC even when I set to the same value?

Any ideas greatly appreciated!

I suggest you do not use the scanner any more, no on uses it on the x1000 series like they did with the x800 series.

I also suggest you find a way to cool your mosfets and vregs. I use a 80mm fan with ram sinks and have my x1900xtx oc using ATI Tool to:
720/837.5
1.425 VGPU
2.113 MVDDC
2.113 MVDDQ
1.498 VDDCI <-cranking this up to the settings you see now helps stabilize and increase min/low FPS for me.

Stock cooling, witha lapped HS and a 80mm fan on the Vregs/mosfets...
I set 3D-Dection to load my profile
I set 3D-Detect to load default profile when application closes.

Remember this core is very touchy about heat. The more heat the less it performs. On average if you can keep it within 65C under load you shouldn't have any problems with performance. However, you must keep the vregs and mosfets cool (refer to 1st post).


It appears to me that the Vgpu runs best at:
720 @ 1.4000V <--for me this gives slower benchmark results
720 @ 1.4250V <--for me this gave better benchmark results
for my x1900xtx. However, for everyday operation 720 is the best I can do to keep heat down. If you want to do 725 you will need to crank the Cgpu to 1.5000V which causes a lot of heat for me. Maybe your VC will do 725GPU @ 1.4500V however, mine crashes during 3dmark 06.

As for Mem, so far I have only gotten to 837.5 using ATI TOOL. I have tested using high and low votlage for the mem and it made no difference for me. Therefore I leave it at:
2.113 MVDDC
2.113 MVDDQ
ALTHOUGH I HAVE GONE AS HIGH AS
2.203 MVDDC
2.203 MVDDQ
BUT AGAIN NO added bonus. AT 2.206 it froze but there is a catch to this, read on!

It appears that the use of VDDCI is some sort of Voltage GateKeeper (if you will), when I leave it at default 1.486V my benchmarks on 3d06 would dip to the low teens. When I crank it up to 1.498V it would be more steady with less dips (using the example I gave earlier in this post). That is why I have it cranked up. But, at 1.5000 it always get artifacts (something I haven't seen until I started tweaking the VDDCI, before it would either freeze or CTD). Although this is just a guess it appears 1.5000V for VDDCI is simply to much and making the VC very hot causing artifacts, again just a guess. OCers who use 1.5000 VDDCI are clocking the core over 725 and mem over 835 so it makes sense to for me to believe that 1.498V for the VDDCI is ample power until you go much higher in your OC. By then you should consider watercooling because of the heat it generates.

In all this should point you in the right direction. R