0.25 Beta 14

[Wizard17]

Ahhh this new little card...

Sure, man... Just send me your notebook or card... ;-)
Seriously, I think you confuse me with W1zzard here... He's the one writing ATITool, I'm just a visitor... You've brought me to the attention that my handle is a little confusing maybe... ;-) But I've used it for over 20 years now, so...

In general:
All X1000 series cards seem to be extremely difficult to overclock good... I think it shouldn't really be a surprise either. These cards boast complete new technology and hardware, and that's probably why the technique used to overclock doesn't work that well here. Seems a new technique has to be developed, incl. new software for that... And I think that's why it's taking W1zzard soo long... It's not an easy task, you know... Having a good program and then finding out it doesn't work good anymore with new hardware is not really pleasant... Finding the right info on the new hardware is even more unpleasant with these cards...

[Brama]

We all understand atitool coder but it is a long time that he doesn't write a single word in the forum and we wish to know why.
Bye,

[Gnerma]

He is probably just burnt out Brama, which would be understandable. If you've been following this apps transition to X1000 support you've seen that its been a nightmare for him. I'm sure he is around, and when he gets back to ATITool development he'll let us know :) Or its also possible he has been working steadily and just hasn't released anything, but I doubt that.

[BlueKnight]

Hail,
today i registred because i would to say some word to W1zzard. First of all, sorry for my english, i'm italian.
Now, i don't think that what i will say would be the solution for all the problems, but only show my experiences, may it help for something.

When i take my x1800XT i would make 2 profile, one for game at 700/800 and one for when i am in Windows at 270/270 at 0,82V and 1,785V for RAM.

First i try only whit the ATI drivers and ATITool, disabling the auto passage from 2D to 3D incluse in the driver; when i past from 2D to 3D all the system crashed, probably for the high exchange in the voltage i thing. So, i can only exchange frequency and not volts whit this method.

Second, i install ATI drivers, CCC and in last ATITool. So, i can not disable the automatic passage from 2D to 3D, because the CCC load first in the OS.
In first experiment, i create a profile call "Windows", in which i try to low the frequency to 10MHz, so that in Windows i have 590/690.
Using this profile for 2D, when i try to enter in a game and there'is the automatic passage from 2D to 3D by the drivers, the system crash. So, in this case, i have proved that the problem is not the voltage, but the different frequency passing by 2d to 3d.

In the third experiment, i have the "Windows" profile and the "default" profile of ATITool for 2d, and there is the automatic passage in 3D by drivers. I use 270/270 in "Windows profile".
So, when i use Windows and 2D i use "Windows" at 270/270, and when i would play some games i put manually the profile on default, so it return to 600/700. I load the game and in auto CCC put the 3D profile to 625/750. NO CRASH. When i exit from the game, the VGA return to 2D using "default" profile of ATITool. WHIT THIS METHOD, NO MORE PROBLEMS!

The last experiment, and the method that i use today;
i have for 2D now one nwe profile, that i call preGame for be more clear. The Windows profile now is 270/270 at 0,82V and 1,785V.
The preGame profile it's like Default profile, i create it only because if i touch the voltage for Windows profile, i can't save or return at original voltage in defaut.
So, the preGame voltage profile take the "default" feature whit 600/700 whit 1.25V and 2,085V.
So, when i use Windows or 2D, i use "Windows" profile (270/270). First of play i game, for don't crash the system, i use "preGame" profile thar is like default condition. Now i can start a game and past in 3D profile by drivers and i have NO CRASH!


All this words for say what i think in the last. I have idea that there is some protection or block...or in any case the BIOS and the hardware have a limitation if ATI don't have put this "block" that don't give at the VGA the possibility to pass from 2D to 3D if it's not a dafault condition, so 600/700 whit the same voltage. Using the pregame profile i can do teh passage of profile!!!

So what i would to say to W1zzard it's to verify what i said, and try to modify ATITool in manner that in any profile passage the program set for 1 or 2 second the default profile in automatic and then change the profile utent request.

Bye bye

[Wizard17]

Hail, today i registred because i would to say some word...

Well, if you allow me to respond, I'll clear up some things for ya... Maybe helpfull to you...
These are my experiences with a 1900XTX...

Sounds like you didn't disable the ATI Hotkey Poller service, and having two programs switching clocks is asking for trouble... ;-) Simply disable manually, ATT sometimes "forgets" to kill the service (when re-installing for example):
Rightclick "My Computer">Manage>Services...>Services>Doubleclick the ATI Hotkey Poller Service>Select disabled from Startup-type>Okay>Reboot

Your request is not really necessary (ie. an "intermediate" profile) if you consider the following:
First of all, why do you want to set 270/270? To save power and heat while "just" doing 2D desktop stuff, right? Okay, look at this:
- The lowest frequencies you can set depend on the maximum resolution you're gonna use.
If 1280x1024 is your max., you can go as low as 250/250... However, this would give you trouble when trying to set 1920x1080 (HDTV) for example. So I've set mine to 300/300...
- also keep in mind that you cannot set too low freq. and voltages while switching to an OCed profile, using very high freq. and volts... The difference in volts, freq. and temps. is too sudden too big and immediate crash is usually the result...

Second thing, and your problem, is, how low can I set my voltages without problems?
- If you set voltages too low (especially memory), your card will crash upon freq. switching,
probably because the difference in voltages is too big, and the "sudden" powerpeak crashes the mem...
- Lowest you can safely set also depends on your freq. ofcourse... At 300/300, I've set my
VGPU to 0.9 volt. Any lower, and I get the crash described above...
- Ofcourse, you can set lower, but only if your freq. are lower too (for example, when your max. res. is 1024x768)...
- Lowering voltages on mem. is NOT recommended, since it highly impairs stability, even at 2D (If you use some "heavy" 2D-graphics) and usually gets answered with a BSOD STOP 7E or 8E (Also if you're OCing PCIex !!!), even more so when switching...
- Lowering the mem. freq. is actually even not necessary, unless you just want to get a max. powersaving...
- Simply don't touch VDDCI unless you're OCing, ie. leave at default for every profile, except your OC-profile...
- When switching, difference in Core-clocks may be bigger than difference in mem.clocks seems... Mem. from 600/2D to 800/3D is okay, but more instable when set as 200/2D to 800/3D for example, more likely to crash that way. The core seems to have less problems with that...

- For simplified copying or adjusting of profiles, you can easily edit the profiles.ini in any text-editor... It allows you to create your own defaults for example...

W1zzard: You say the Default should be considered default and thus cannot be saved or edited (unless like this). Well, I agree, but then the default profile should be complete! No voltages for example cause crashes if freq. get set to default but voltages do not change with it! Also the default fan-settings could be stored there. (I've done both by manually editing, sorry)...

[EastCoasthandle]

I have to set a new default by calling it Default1 because when I enable 3D Detection:
3D set to ATI1 (as I call it)
2D set to Default

When I do this and exit a game the it at times, remain at 3D at desktop. I make my own and I have no problem. Don't know what to make of it and it's not all the time when it happens...

[BlueKnight]

Thank for answer, but someone have not undestand the other.
First, the passage to 270/270 0,82/1,785 to 600/700 1,25/2,1 is a great jump...but it don't give me problems. So why in the last examble i can use it?! The problem is only if this passage in from 2D to 3D. If i disable the automatic passage by driver i have problem whit the same numbers!

Whit the 270/270 and relative voltage i have any problem, i used it in past whit 3DMark05 and using the artifact test of ATITool and all go well.

The problem is not voltage and frequency, the problem is in general the passage from 2D to 3D profile if in the middle i dont' use default profile. Has i say in my first message, for example if i use a frequency lower 10Mhz that default, the system crash!

Bye bye



Well, if you allow me to respond, I'll clear up some things for ya... Maybe helpfull to you...
These are my experiences with a 1900XTX...

Sounds like you didn't disable the ATI Hotkey Poller service, and having two programs switching clocks is asking for trouble... ;-) Simply disable manually, ATT sometimes "forgets" to kill the service (when re-installing for example):
Rightclick "My Computer">Manage>Services...>Services>Doubleclick the ATI Hotkey Poller Service>Select disabled from Startup-type>Okay>Reboot

Your request is not really necessary (ie. an "intermediate" profile) if you consider the following:
First of all, why do you want to set 270/270? To save power and heat while "just" doing 2D desktop stuff, right? Okay, look at this:
- The lowest frequencies you can set depend on the maximum resolution you're gonna use.
If 1280x1024 is your max., you can go as low as 250/250... However, this would give you trouble when trying to set 1920x1080 (HDTV) for example. So I've set mine to 300/300...
- also keep in mind that you cannot set too low freq. and voltages while switching to an OCed profile, using very high freq. and volts... The difference in volts, freq. and temps. is too sudden too big and immediate crash is usually the result...

Second thing, and your problem, is, how low can I set my voltages without problems?
- If you set voltages too low (especially memory), your card will crash upon freq. switching,
probably because the difference in voltages is too big, and the "sudden" powerpeak crashes the mem...
- Lowest you can safely set also depends on your freq. ofcourse... At 300/300, I've set my
VGPU to 0.9 volt. Any lower, and I get the crash described above...
- Ofcourse, you can set lower, but only if your freq. are lower too (for example, when your max. res. is 1024x768)...
- Lowering voltages on mem. is NOT recommended, since it highly impairs stability, even at 2D (If you use some "heavy" 2D-graphics) and usually gets answered with a BSOD STOP 7E or 8E (Also if you're OCing PCIex !!!), even more so when switching...
- Lowering the mem. freq. is actually even not necessary, unless you just want to get a max. powersaving...
- Simply don't touch VDDCI unless you're OCing, ie. leave at default for every profile, except your OC-profile...
- When switching, difference in Core-clocks may be bigger than difference in mem.clocks seems... Mem. from 600/2D to 800/3D is okay, but more instable when set as 200/2D to 800/3D for example, more likely to crash that way. The core seems to have less problems with that...

- For simplified copying or adjusting of profiles, you can easily edit the profiles.ini in any text-editor... It allows you to create your own defaults for example...

W1zzard: You say the Default should be considered default and thus cannot be saved or edited (unless like this). Well, I agree, but then the default profile should be complete! No voltages for example cause crashes if freq. get set to default but voltages do not change with it! Also the default fan-settings could be stored there. (I've done both by manually editing, sorry)...

[Wizard17]

I have to set a new default by calling it Default1...

Never had any problems with that... There are some programs which don't trigger 3D, like Tomb Raider Legend, and so, but for the rest it works fine here...
I'm using the following:
[Default]: 500.00/600.00 - 1175, 2086, 2086, 1486 - Std. Fan settings - Std. Gamma
[2D]: 300.86/301.50 - 900, 2086, 2086, 1486 - No fan - No Gamma
[3D]: 648.00/774.00 - 1400, 2086, 2086, 1486 - No fan - No Gamma
[Overdrive]:688.50/792.00 - 1425, 2086, 2086, 1486 - No fan - No Gamma
[OCed] 702.00/819.00 - 1450, 2124, 2086, 1493 - No Fan - No Gammae
[Startup] 300.86/301.50 - 900, 2086, 2086, 1486 - Fan=FzULcBFcPcfZ4+WKgbWtYw==

I start with Startup, I switch 2D/3D with 2D and either 3D/Overdrive/OCed

Does anyone know if it's possible to pass a profile (commandline or so?) to a running ATITool so as to switch profile that way? It would mean you're able to start every game with it's own profile when needed, allowing most games to run at 3D for example (saving power, heat and noise), while playing a really heavy game with OCed profile for example! That would be nice... ;-)

[creidiki]

Does anyone know if it's possible to pass a profile (commandline or so?) to a running ATITool so as to switch profile that way?
That would be useful, i could call it from my blackbox menu...

[Wizard17]

Well, I can switch profiles already, not by commandline though, by setting key shortcuts on the profiles and using a keystroke sending program to switch them... But this is really cumbersome...

W1zzard, please consider having similar list as you have for 3D detection exclusion/inclusion for every profile seperately, it would allow to let ATITool select the right profile to switch to going 3D based on provided filename in that profiles "3D"-list... In other words, ATT would then switch to the profile that has it's filename listed in this extra list...
This would effectively enable "smart auto-switching", or however you wanna call it... LOL

[Brama]

I think it is not so simple the solution found by BlueKnight.
I tell my situation with a Sapphire 1900XT, bios original Sapphire. I check frequencies, temperatures and voltages with last ATI Tray Tool.

1) I can overclock with Overclocker till 690/800 or more, raising the voltage to 1.48 and 2.11.

2) I can overclock with CCC Overdrive till 688/798 if I am able to keep the voltage to 1.48 and 2.11. Unfortunately in normal operations, when CCC Overdrive starts, it put everytime the voltage to 1.45 and 2.086 :banghead:

I am NOT able even to reach 660/780 if I use ATITool to overclock! :confused:

3) I use two profiles in ATITool: 2D is same as Default; 3D is 660/780 with voltages set 1.45 and 2.11. In my case, setting the voltage in ATITool to 1.45, I have 1.48 measured by ATI Tray Tool.

In this case, with the 2 ATI services disabled and a clean boot, ATITool programmed to load 2D profile at startup, as soon as I launch a 3D application, after about 30 seconds the screen locks and after about 10 seconds of lock, it becomes blank and a restart is needed.

I tried to raise and lower voltages both in core and memories but no way! If I overclock with ATITool controls, even at a very stable 650/770 obatined automatically with CCC overdrive, the system locks.


I know I have a video card able to reach 790/800, only raising voltages to 1.48/2.11 but I am not able actually to do that in an automatic way.

Overclocker has nothing of automatic in it.
CCC overdrive overcomes any voltage setting done by ATITool
ATITool crashes the system if I overclock with it.


Any idea?

Bye,

[Wizard17]

I think it is not so simple the solution found by BlueKnight...

Simple answer:
Overclocker and ATI CCC reach those high mem. clocks on relaxed timings...
ATITool does not, which means you automatically will be able to achieve lower results only... But still, because of NOT relaxing timings, performance will be better...
ATI CCC will not change your cards settings if you have killed the ATIevxx.exe service, either from ATITool or manually disabling it...
ATI Tray tool is NOT 1x00-series cards ready... As such you can't do much with it with these cards, except maybe monitoring, and even than I question if it's reliable...
Be carefull with that VCore of 1.48... It's not a danger but your cards temp. will raise too high on stock cooling, making it crash too...

Best bet to succesfully overclock is to find your best mem. clocks at stock core-clocks. Then leave it at that and don't keep raising your mem. clocks any further... Then do some benches and compare results with max. overdrive of ATI CCC. I bet your scores will be better if done well...

About crashing...
If you go up on clocks and volts very carefully little by little your card will usually still crash, but it will recover from it... Problem is, you've disabled the ATIevxx.exe service, which is responsible for initializing your screen again after the crash... Try it... If it crashes "carefully", you'll hear the fan reset the card by spinning up. If you can press numlock and the light goes on and off it means your system is still running without problem. You will need a tool to be able to do a resolution-change somehow... I'm using girder and programmed ALT-num- and alt-num+ to switch resolution to different refresh rates. When it crashes and system keeps running (most of the time) I press both key-sequences one after the other and I get my screen back. I then reset video-card to 2D settings, go back to 3D-profile I was trying to finetune and continue... :-)
This saves you alot of resetting...
If you go up or down alot in clocks or volts your card will really crash, hanging your system too.. Then a reset is required...

In general, you should consider OCing core-clocks to be preferable and more stable compared to OCing mem. clocks... And by all means, achievable OCing for most people is rediculously worthless... Compare performance at stock and OCed and you'll notice only a really very small difference. I'm done with it. It's useless overclocking these cards without some much better proper cooling...

[Brama]

Simple answer:
Overclocker and ATI CCC reach those high mem. clocks on relaxed timings...
ATITool does not, which means you automatically will be able to achieve lower results only...


I will follow your suggestions and I let you know.

I confirm that most of the times the blank screen has a workin OS under.

Before doing benchmarks I can not say anything but from my experience and feeling I am pretty sure that 690/800 with relaxed timings on memories is way better than 630/750 that probably I can reach with ATITool.

I am not using the default cooling system. I am using a Zalman 900 with fan always at max speed.

I know that ATI Tray Tool is able now only to perform monitoring but it is very usefull to check values with an external program.

Bye,

[Wizard17]

I will follow your suggestions and I let you know...

Better in terms of heat produced, power consumed, reliability and useability, yes...
Better in terms of performance, well, I don't know... I measured better performance (even though just slightly) on lower mem. clocks using ATITool compared to ATI CCC...

As for cooling, I'm talking serious cooling, man. The Zalman might be slightly better and way less noise, but serious OCing requires serious cooling with these cards, ie. liquid or even phase...

Try Systool from this site for your needs... ;-) The more video-driver manipulation software you run simultaneously, the more problems you can encounter... ATI CCC by itself already is not doing a great job setting options and keeping them that way... Let alone if you mix in two others setting options and on top of that, the game you're trying to optimize itself... Conflicts, conflicts, conflicts in settings...LOL

[Brama]

I will try systools......I see that last build has a new method to overclock ATI cards. Who knows that......

Bye,

[creidiki]

Liquid is more than ample - mine never goes above 40c on load. Which is why id like a less messy way of OCing it. I love ATITool, but i think ill go back to CCC for now, tbh - its just too much effort right now, I want stuff that "just works". :)

[Brama]

My last night tests confirm at 90 % the Wizzard17 suggestions.

My GPU tops at 650 MHz with actual Zalman 900 and any combination of Vcore.

My memories overvolted to 2.101 tops to a very good 790 MHz and I confirm that this value obtained by ATITool overclock is much better than the 790 MHz obtained by CCC Overdrive and Overclocker.

At 3DMark06 with CCC overdrive 650/790 I obtain 5800 points. Using ATITool at same 650/790 I obtain 6200 points!

The other side of the medal is a CRASH, using ATITOOL, switching from 3D profile (650/790 MHz - 1.45/2.101 V) to 2D profile (default 2D values: 500/600 MHz - 1.176/2.076 V).

It seems that this jump back from 790 to 600 MHz and from 2.1 01 to 2.076 is too much wide for timings and the way the clock and voltage change is coded in ATITool.

After further tests, I have found that avoiding any voltage switch prevents completely the crash.

Bye,

[Sucka]

Any chance of adding support for an x1400 Laptop?

[mtosev]

When is a new version of ATiTool comming out? :toast:

[ketiko]

I can't get my Powercolor X800XL to see the LM63 chip. I can't detect it and doesn't read any temps. I've read other people had this problem but this beta .25 v 14 fixed it. I can't get it to work. I even removed atitool and all registry keys and reinstalled the beta. Anyone have ideas? My card does have the chip.

[Wizard17]

My last night tests confirm at 90 % the Wizzard17 suggestions....

Thanks man, I usually don't spread BS... LOL
Anyway, default volts for mem. is 2.086... if you're using what you wrote here, 2.076, it's too low and might (or not) be the reason for your crashes like this...

[BlueKnight]

Ok man,
i am arrived at the conclusion of my test....

First, using the auto passage from 2D to 3D in the Catalyst give always a lot of problems. My suggestion like the others is to deactivate this function.
IMPORTANT: if you would eliminate forever this function, use Rabit 2.0a to create a new BIOS and you will have only a profile, not one for 2D and one for 3D (remember to save original bios!!!).

Second, i found that one of my problem is the default profile! I don't know why, but W1zzard have set frequency for default profile but not Voltage.
If i use a profile "Windows" 297/297 at 0,845V/1,785V when i return to default the frequency return to 600/700 but the voltage is the same, so too lower that system crash.

I suggest that W1zzard would done a Beta 15 in few time that could solve that problems that is one of the biggest.


Third conclusion i found, and this is the most srange...the problems of all my crash come all from Messenger. I don't know why, but every time i use strange functions in messenger and i am using AtiTool profile different by default, the system crash like black monitor or blank and the VGA fan restart...this happen every time i ask voice call. The strange thing is that whit voice call of skype and icq i have not problems.


hi all, thank W1zzard.

[Wizard17]

Ok man, i am arrived at the conclusion of my test....

First off,
I would NOT advice changing your BIOS-file... It too permanent and there are simpler ways to achieve the same anyway... It would also defeat the purpose of these cards running smooth and low on power in 2D, only using excessive power in 3D...

Second, you can edit your profiles.ini with any text-editor and "complement" the missing default-values in the default-profile, like voltages... It's fairly simple to do:
[Default]
CardID=1917388032
Core=500.00
Mem=600.00
NumKeys=0
Comment=
Gamma=100, 100, 100
Gamma brightness=0, 0, 0
Gamma contrast=100, 100, 100
Add these: Voltage=1175, 2086, 2086, 1486
Add these: VoltageType=1
Add these: Fan Control=FzhxYBxWJ73C4u2IiL+TYw==
Add these: Fan Mode=2
Add these: Fan Fixed Speed=100
Add these: Fan Target Temp=50

Ofcourse, you can enter whatever values you wish for the default...
SImply use the default-profile, NEVER click the default-button and you're playing it safe this way...

Lastly, the problems you're having with MSN might be caused by this:
You're setting 300/300 on lowest possible voltages... That's wrong...
300/300 would be okay, but you ould not be able to use any resolution higher than 1280x1024 that way safely...
Most impoortantly, setting voltages all the way down doesn't give you any benefit, only problems... Crashes in MSN might be the result of that...
I'm using these for 2D:
351/351 @ voltages: 895, 2086, 2086, 1486

This gives you the best profile as far as I have experienced...
Clocks are not too low, so even a resolution of 1920x1080 (HDTV) still works...
Voltages are not too low, preventing crashes whe using heavy graphics (Remember that "heavy graphics work" doesn't always mean it's visible work, MSN might be scanning or testing resolutions for example, and your card will crash on that if voltages are too low...
If I set the VCore voltage only one notch lower than this, I too get crashes switching 2D->3D or 3D->2D or just randomly when something "heavy" is going on in 2D...
Simply set your clocks at desired rate, like my 350/350 with DEFAULT voltages, and slowly work your way down with those voltages... Set it one notch to the left and save it and leave it. Simply continue with your daily things (including MSN stuff) and if you find everything keeps working okay, set it another notch to the left. Keep repeating this one notch at a time until you've found your minimum required volts for those clocks...
I've found mine to be the above at those clocks...
THe actual values are different for every card, so, experiment, but do it slowly...
Good luck

[Tonezorz]

I have an interesting issue, has this been covered before?

Whenever ATI Tool (beta 14) is running, my keyboard will randomly lock up and not detect inputs faster then say 1 key every 2 seconds. Then about 5-10 seconds later will return to normal.

I ONLY have this happen when ATI tool is running, and ONLY when a game is running as well. Even in windowed mode. If a game/atitool are running together, the keyboard will lock up randomly, even in FireFox or AIM.

Edit: I've tried re-installing it and also tried different keyboards.

[niask]

Hi, W1zzard. ATITool is a great programm, especially i'm fond of artifact searching. I have few questions:
1) Can be any bugs in artifact scanning on nVIDIA graphics card, especially on 7600GT?
2) Which method should i use: new or old? Old scanning method allow to overcloak more, and i don't see any artifacts in 3DMarks, but with new method yellow points appear already on mem. @ 840 MHz. Should i trust it?

P.S. Sorry, if my English is bad.

[BlueKnight]

Hail Wizard17, tnk everytime for your answer.

As i say next time, my problems are not for voltage and frequency too low, because i ave problems setting the gpu core at 585 from the original 600 Mhz.

The same problems in Messenger i found when i try to see a dvd video. if there is no block, when i exit i found the gpu at 475Mhz?!?! this is very strange!

I think that there are not only 2d and 3d profile, but there is a third profile for the audio and video treaming that use 475 mhz and 693 for ram and it's not possible to block by deactivate the 2 ati services in windows...

[BlueKnight]

Wizard17, but what kind of vga you have? Model, producer, ecc?!

Because if you have a x1800xt it's very strange that at 350/350 you don't have block whit dvd! 5 minutes ago i try to see a dvd only change the volts and not frequency, and at 600/70 whit 1.175V/1.800V i have no problem whit dvd...the very problem are frequency, but i don't know why! :cry:

[hotswank]

What does this mean and how can I fix it? (Load on Windows via Startup via Start Menu)


ATITool: Keyboard override detected: startup profile not loaded

[Wizard17]

Hail Wizard17, tnk everytime for your answer...

It sounds like you leave the ATI Hotkey Poller service running...
Doing so would give similar "strange" results, like system clocks back and forth between different "weird" clocks..
I'm 100% sure there's no such thing as a 3rd profile for video...

I do know this:
Since CCC 6.4, the CLI.exe that you normally leave running can reset clocks back to default 500/600 too! So, disabling the services only is not necessarily enough... Kill both CLI.exe's too and try to recreate your problem getting weird clocks...

If everything else fails and you have a second drive, install a new windows on to it, next to your existing windows, just for testing... Then only install INF-update, CCC, ATT and try recreating your problems then... Problems with video are usually codec related...
And for that manner, try disabling DEP by editing boot.ini replacing every /noexecute=optin or /noexecute=optout switch with /execute... There are some codecs that give weird problems with DEP on... Disabling CPU execute disable bit (in BIOS) alone is NOT enough to get aorund that...!

[Wizard17]

What does this mean and how can I fix it?...

It probably means you've held a key down which told ATItool to skip loading the startup-profile... With key it usually means the shift/ctrl or alt keys...

Since any normal smart guy is NOT holding down any of those while the system is starting, try checking for the following:
Do you happen to have one of those keyboards where one of those gets stuck??? I do... ;-)
I just hit those keys a few times hard, which releases it from being stuck...
(Now this is what you get from drinking (and spilling sometimes) too much coffee!)

Note: I do not know which of those keys is used by ATITool to skip loading profile...
Note2: Didn't your PC beep when it started like that? (To let you know the program recognized your request to skip loading the startup-profile...)
Note3: I'm just guessing, just because I have had experiences like that... LOL

[Wizard17]

Wizard17, but what kind of vga you have? Model, producer, ecc?!...

You can check my system specs to the left, can't you?

What do you mean with "Block"?

[hotswank]

It probably means you've held a key down which told ATItool to skip loading the startup-profile... With key it usually means the shift/ctrl or alt keys...


Naaaah, no sticky keys or touching them during startup. It happens only once a month, so no big deal here, prolly a small bug.

[Wizard17]

Naaaah, no sticky keys or touching them during startup. It happens only once a month, so no big deal here, prolly a small bug.

Some other guy had problems with keyboard and ATT... ATT scans the keyboard in a non-standard way... Disabling windows accessibility features might help, like sticky keys !

[FriarForestFire]

ATI Tool is a great prog! Thanks to ATI Tool I can ramp up my X800 to play Doom3 on Ultra and it kicks, oh boy does it kick! 8)

The reason for this post (sorry if this isn't in the right place) is I saw this thread a whilst back
( http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=2043 ) and (I know, it's old) I was wondering if the idea was still being kicked around or if it's been decided not to be done.

FRAPS is alright, but it lags down my comp. Guild Wars gets 76 FPS and then when I run FRAPS the FPS count drops to 36! Sometimes as low as 26! Also, since I always run ATI Tool (so Motherboard Monitor can record temps) it would be so much easier to run a built-in video capture than to load up another prog to do it. I don't know if a built-in video capture in ATI Tool would lag down my comp just as much as FRAPS does, or maybe FRAPS is just not coded very well?

Anyways, keep up the good work and if you think you could build a lighter cpu-load vid capture prog, that'd be awesome. Or if anybody has any recommendations on a light load vid capture prog, I'd love to know about it. Thanks, and ATI Tools rocks! Woot!

[BlueKnight]

It sounds like you leave the ATI Hotkey Poller service running...
Doing so would give similar "strange" results, like system clocks back and forth between different "weird" clocks..
I'm 100% sure there's no such thing as a 3rd profile for video...

I do know this:
Since CCC 6.4, the CLI.exe that you normally leave running can reset clocks back to default 500/600 too! So, disabling the services only is not necessarily enough... Kill both CLI.exe's too and try to recreate your problem getting weird clocks...

If everything else fails and you have a second drive, install a new windows on to it, next to your existing windows, just for testing... Then only install INF-update, CCC, ATT and try recreating your problems then... Problems with video are usually codec related...
And for that manner, try disabling DEP by editing boot.ini replacing every /noexecute=optin or /noexecute=optout switch with /execute... There are some codecs that give weird problems with DEP on... Disabling CPU execute disable bit (in BIOS) alone is NOT enough to get aorund that...!


Sorry, what you mean for DEP?

Thank

[Jimbo Mahoney]

Can I make a request for MORE voltage?

:rockout:

1.575 just isn't enough!

More Power argh argh argh

[Jimbo Mahoney]

Sorry, what you mean for DEP?

Thank

Data Execution Prevention

it's present in XP SP2.

I turn it off by changing the following in the boot.ini:

/noexecute=optin

to this

/execute

[hotswank]

Some other guy had problems with keyboard and ATT... ATT scans the keyboard in a non-standard way... Disabling windows accessibility features might help, like sticky keys !

Well, I actually do have 'sticky keys' set on in Windows (beep when CapsLock or ScrollLock is turned on). That would be it. Thanks for the replies.

[BlueKnight]

CONCLUSION!!!! THIS TIME IT'S TRUE!!!!!! :D

I found the origin of all my problems! Like other user when i use video and audio stream, like see DVD, i have strange change in the frequency or block and crash of the system.

An user in general page of ATITool whit similar problems have succesfully resolve eliminating Catalys 6.4

Whit Cat 6.3 no more problems!!!! :nutkick:

BYE BYE! :D

[screcca82]

Anybody can HELP me?:respect:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=11729

bye

[Concorde Rules]

Come on dude we want an update, I STILL have problems with 2D/3D switching :(

Even if its a Alpha ill try it :(

[Jimbo Mahoney]

Heya Concorde! (OcUK ;))

What do you mean 2D/3D switching? If you mean 2D/3D clocks, why not just use 3D clocks 24/7?

[deathman20]

Heya Concorde! (OcUK ;))

What do you mean 2D/3D switching? If you mean 2D/3D clocks, why not just use 3D clocks 24/7?

If your not using the graphics card why use the power assosiated with it. I totally understand where hes coming from.

[ElAguila]

I have been using atitool for quite some time. I just bought an x1900xt and I use atitool to overclock and set voltages and fan speeds. I was wondering if the next revision will be able to use the find max core and max memory with the x1900 cards?

[Concorde Rules]

Heya Concorde! (OcUK ;))

What do you mean 2D/3D switching? If you mean 2D/3D clocks, why not just use 3D clocks 24/7?

Because,

A) I dont want it running at 1.45V GPU/700mhz - 800mhz/2.130V 24/7 esp when its folding. A X1900XT at idle is a big enough power draw.

B) When it changes between 2D --> 3D, there is sometimes not enough time for the voltage to settle down, so it could go up to 1.46V down to 1.44V and back up to 1.45V, ofcourse the clocks have been set by then and it crashes. I can run games fine, but 2D/3D switching is a huge problem somethimes. I would like the option to set the ms before each setting.

Eg.
3D detected --> 3D Fan Profile set --> 0.25 Sec --> 3D Voltage set --> 0.5 Sec --> 3D Clocks set.
3D ended --> 2D Clocks set --> 0.5 sec --> Voltage set --> 0.25 ---> Fan set.

My card has an issue, which is limiting me clocking, infact, BF2 I can start fine 50% of the time but MS FS 2004 crashes with a blank screen at the same clocks. (at 2D/3D swap)

Conc

[Wizard17]

Because...

My two cents:

As I mentioned before in this thread:
Difference between 2D/3D volts too high-> garanteed crash
Try setting your 2D volts a little higher then what you have now...
It works for me, having lowest volts at 0.995 volts... Any lower and I get same issues as you're explaining here... Why 1.45volts for 3D? Can't make it on default 1.425?
In any case, as you go up with 3D-volts, you'll have to up your 2D-volts too to prevent crashes while switching. I agree setting delays for that manually could improve this, but it's not possible as you know (yet)...

[W1zzard]

When is a new version of ATiTool comming out? :toast:

sorry for the long wait guys. I'm finishing my university studies right now. thesis is due may 31st. after that i'm going to computex and will be back around june 15. then atitool development will continue. probably rewrite from scratch for better multi-gpu/different architecture support/better handling of profiles/maybe scripting engine

[Wizard17]

Avoid using CCC 6.4 as the driver itself switches clocks when detecting video of any kind, whether DivX, WMV, any capture-video window, etc. This is caused by the major changes implemented since CCC 6.4 for video... CCC will switch clocks to 400/600 when video is detected, even when just a video from a game (intro-movie for example) is playing. It saves the clocks before switching and uses an offset. If you used ATItool to "temper" with the clocks, it will switch back using the (now) wrong offset, switching back clocks to god knows what (funny is mine switched to mem. 666 once LOL) and it means it can switch back clocks to something the card cannot handle at current voltage: -> crash...
This indicates the driver doesn't account for the current "real" clocks, it just assumes clocks are what CCC is telling them to be.

In simple words, CCC 6.4 makes use of ATITool impossible, even the service is disabled...

This is probably what Blueknight was talking about, sorry man, didn't understand you correctly before and I apologize...

[Gnerma]

Good to hear from you W1zzard. Don't worry about us beta 14 is more or less functional :) Work hard on your thesis and have fun at computex.

[nicepun]

Avoid using CCC 6.4 as the driver itself switches clocks when detecting video of any kind, whether DivX, WMV, any capture-video window, etc. This is caused by the major changes implemented since CCC 6.4 for video... CCC will switch clocks to 400/600 when video is detected, even when just a video from a game (intro-movie for example) is playing. It saves the clocks before switching and uses an offset. If you used ATItool to "temper" with the clocks, it will switch back using the (now) wrong offset, switching back clocks to god knows what (funny is mine switched to mem. 666 once LOL) and it means it can switch back clocks to something the card cannot handle at current voltage: -> crash...
This indicates the driver doesn't account for the current "real" clocks, it just assumes clocks are what CCC is telling them to be.

In simple words, CCC 6.4 makes use of ATITool impossible, even the service is disabled...

This is probably what Blueknight was talking about, sorry man, didn't understand you correctly before and I apologize...


I wonder if CATS 6.5 will have the same issue????? I also noticed about 666 mem clock after video viewing.......:mad:

[Concorde Rules]

My two cents:

As I mentioned before in this thread:
Difference between 2D/3D volts too high-> garanteed crash
Try setting your 2D volts a little higher then what you have now...
It works for me, having lowest volts at 0.995 volts... Any lower and I get same issues as you're explaining here... Why 1.45volts for 3D? Can't make it on default 1.425?
In any case, as you go up with 3D-volts, you'll have to up your 2D-volts too to prevent crashes while switching. I agree setting delays for that manually could improve this, but it's not possible as you know (yet)...

Nah, I got a carp GPU.

I dont wanna run higher volts, perhaps I need 3 settings?

1. 2D clocks + 1.15V GPU + 60% fan while im not at the computer.
2. 2D clocks + 1.25V GPU + 40% fan while I am at computer.
3. 3D clocks + 1.4XV GPU + Varible fan speeds.... for gaming..

Hmm, might use commands for this!!

[Wizard17]

Nah, I got a carp GPU.
I dont wanna run higher volts, perhaps I need 3 settings?
1. 2D clocks + 1.15V GPU + 60% fan while im not at the computer.
2. 2D clocks + 1.25V GPU + 40% fan while I am at computer.
3. 3D clocks + 1.4XV GPU + Varible fan speeds.... for gaming..
Hmm, might use commands for this!!

Holy mo...! You need that much on 2D and still get crashes? Also, are you scared your GPU is gonna blow up or something? I'm running 0.995v 351/351 clocks fan@18% gives me steady 60c idle (or 2D, that's really the same). I let my fan start working at 70@27%74@55%, etc. You know having your GPU running "warm" is only good when switching 3D. The sudden temp.change is not soo big that way, less probability for crashing also. Why 60% fan at idle? or 40% when behind it. You're wearing ear-plugs? ;-)
PS: To achieve this, I'm having an 80mm. fan on top of the regs., running steady 1200RPM. or so, another from the side pointing directly in its path, providing the fresh air.. No noise ever, unless heavy gaming... ;-)

[Concorde Rules]

Holy mo...! You need that much on 2D and still get crashes? Also, are you scared your GPU is gonna blow up or something? I'm running 0.995v 351/351 clocks fan@18% gives me steady 60c idle (or 2D, that's really the same). I let my fan start working at 70@27%74@55%, etc. You know having your GPU running "warm" is only good when switching 3D. The sudden temp.change is not soo big that way, less probability for crashing also. Why 60% fan at idle? or 40% when behind it. You're wearing ear-plugs? ;-)
PS: To achieve this, I'm having an 80mm. fan on top of the regs., running steady 1200RPM. or so, another from the side pointing directly in its path, providing the fresh air.. No noise ever, unless heavy gaming... ;-)


Hmm, theses X1900s are affected by alot :(

Im 30C idle at 500/600 @ 1.15V... @ 40%

[Wizard17]

Hmm, theses X1900s are affected by alot :(

Im 30C idle at 500/600 @ 1.15V... @ 40%

Nothing different here, mine too at 60% fan at idle! I don't understand you dnn't seem to have a problem with that amount of noise at your ears...Just to keep a piece of silicon as cool as possible? (which will heat up to 70c at least when starting a game)... That's all...
Mine is so hot (60c idle) because I want it and set it that way... mind you, 18% fan is nohing... It's just running to prevent it from "restarting" when fan is needed... It does nothing for cooling as you can see... At overdrive-settings, ATI itself let's the chip heat up to around 95c before setting 60% fan, your idle-fanspeed... ;-)
ATITool doesn't use heatup-phases for nothing! My card is always heated up and ready for action... Yours, like this, is not... (Maybe that's why you have so many crashes)

[Wizard17]

Crossposted, sorry... ;-)

[Concorde Rules]

Nothing different here, mine too at 60% fan at idle! I don't understand you dnn't seem to have a problem with that amount of noise at your ears...Just to keep a piece of silicon as cool as possible? (which will heat up to 70c at least when starting a game)... That's all...
Mine is so hot (60c idle) because I want it and set it that way... mind you, 18% fan is nohing... It's just running to prevent it from "restarting" when fan is needed... It does nothing for cooling as you can see... At overdrive-settings, ATI itself let's the chip heat up to around 95c before setting 60% fan, your idle-fanspeed... ;-)
ATITool doesn't use heatup-phases for nothing! My card is always heated up and ready for action... Yours, like this, is not... (Maybe that's why you have so many crashes)

Meh, Ill try higher temps!!

[Janchu88]

hey i need help!

I want to regulate the voltages of my X1800GTO but with XL bios my card doesnt work as it should (but with the XL bios i can regulate the voltages , see the temperatures, etc...). I tried some driver tweaking without any succes. how i can get ATI-tool working correctly with my Card?

Greetings from Germany , Janchu88

[deathman20]

I wonder if CATS 6.5 will have the same issue????? I also noticed about 666 mem clock after video viewing.......:mad:

6.5's have the same issue with video downclocking the video card. Its a damn shame. W1zzard hope you can find the fix to this in a later release.

[BlueKnight]

6.5's have the same issue with video downclocking the video card. Its a damn shame. W1zzard hope you can find the fix to this in a later release.


mmm...i think that is a problem caused from the Hardware acceleration of the x1000. This is a new problem for W1zzard :(

Now i am using the 6.3...:shadedshu

[Rabid Badger]

I had previously installed beta 13 when I first got my x1800xt, decided to try Catalyst, got sick of it taking 50+ megs of memory, and installed beta 14 yesterday. In beta 13 it would automatically disable ati2evxx.exe after I told it not to ask me anymore, but beta 14 won't. It doesn't even ask if it should. Is there an option I'm missing in settings or is this no longer required for this build? :confused:

[Wizard17]

I had previously installed beta 13 when I first got my x1800xt, decided to try Catalyst, got sick of it taking 50+ megs of memory, and installed beta 14 yesterday. In beta 13 it would automatically disable ati2evxx.exe after I told it not to ask me anymore, but beta 14 won't. It doesn't even ask if it should. Is there an option I'm missing in settings or is this no longer required for this build? :confused:

Beta 13 had a slight problem with that, yes... You should delete this key from registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\techPowerUp\ATITool

and then re-install beta 14 and it should be fixed...
In any case it's easier and simpler to simply disable the ATI Hotkey Poller Service by pressing windows-key and r and typing services.msc, pressing Enter, doubleclicking the mentioned service and selecting disabled...

[Rabid Badger]

I tried disabling ATI Hotkey Poller but it made my screen dark. Not sure why.

[Wizard17]

I tried disabling ATI Hotkey Poller but it made my screen dark. Not sure why.
?

[Raovac]

I tried disabling ATI Hotkey Poller but it made my screen dark. Not sure why.

:pimp: I had this problem also whenever I manually disabled the 2 ATI services. So what I started doing was leaving the services running untill everything was loaded. Then I would use the task manager to shut them down. As long I did that, I didn't get a dark screen. :banghead: I soon got pissed at doing this and ended up disabling them and waiting at the logon screen for a minute or two, and my screen would go normal again, then log on. :ohwell:
But that was untill the 6.3 cats were released. After i installed the 6.3 cats, when AtiTool started, it asked me if I wanted to disable the 2 services. I checked the "do not show me again" box and clicked yes. I let AtiTool start up with windows and it shuts down the services, and No more dark screen. :rockout:
I tried the 6.4's later but it wouldn't work :confused: So i went back to the 6.3's and everything was great. :cool: Don't know if the 6.5's will work or not.
hope this helps. :)

[Janchu88]

i disable the 2 services by using start->execute->msconfig->serivces (and there you´ll find the 2 suspects ;) )

i always made it this way and it worked great

[Michael Tibes]

Hi, I am using ATITool 0.25 beta 14 for my two X1300 Pro cards. I want to underclock the cards in order to run them cooler. AtiTool works fine, but when I autostart my profile only one card gets changed. When I look at the profiles.ini only one card is mentioned - maybe that's why it doesn't work? Here's my profifiles.ini:

[Default]
CardID=1900183808
Core=600.00
Mem=400.00
NumKeys=0
Comment=
Gamma=100, 100, 100
Gamma brightness=0, 0, 0
Gamma contrast=100, 100, 100
[cool]
CardID=1900183808
Core=400.50
Mem=400.50
NumKeys=0
Comment=

Is there a workaround for this?

Thanx a lot,

Michael

[ElAguila]

Will the next beta be able to fix the issue with the 6.5 cats and the downclocking when playing an avi or mpg file?

[Gnerma]

W1zzard isn't currently working on ATITool, but when he gets back to it next month I'm sure he'll have a look at it.

[Janchu88]

another thing,

is it planned to add timing support for X1k series? finally i got my voltage regulating working with ati-tool , thx to this thread
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=10311

[BlueKnight]

Ok, i confirm that the 6.5 have the same problem of the 6.4 play all video format. If you have different frequences to default, when you load a video the system crash because frequencys move to 425 Mhz for GPU.

[Wizard17]

This service is responsable for much more than just the clock-switching when starting a game... It also takes care of VPU-recover (resetting your VPU and getting your screen back when it crashes) and the hotkeys you define...

Suppose you want to use ATITool for overclocking, so you don't want to have this service interfering with ATITool, but you DO want the VPU recovering and the hotkeys to adjust gamma/brightness ingame for example... Impossible? No, it's possible, do this:

The service consists of two parts. 1 part running with the system-account (my guess was this part is accessing the hardware, ie. switching clocks, and my guess was right...LOL), the 2nd part running as the logged on user, to provide the rest like hotkeys.
Instead of disabling the service, doubleckick it to bring up it's properties, click the Log On TAB, and select "This Account" instead of "local system account"...
To the right of that, fill in your username and password (if you have one) twice, and you're done... Reboot and enjoy hotkeys without clock-switching... Maybe ATITool complains about the service running, but you now know how and why it is running... So, dismiss the dialog with a no and "Don't show this again"...

PS: Unfortunately, this will do nothing for the Catalyst 6.4 and up video-clock switch problem, since that's the driver doing so...

[Raovac]

So, dismiss the dialog with a no and "Don't show this again"...

PS: Unfortunately, this will do nothing for the Catalyst 6.4 and up video-clock switch problem, since that's the driver doing so...

:pimp: Well, with the 6.3's, I don't have to dick around with hotkeys or disabling services, as AtiTool does that itself. Also the "Do Not Show this again" dialog only appears after the install of the 6.3's, after that AtiTool shuts down services automatically when AtiTool boots up Automatically with windows with NO dialog ever. :rockout:
As for the 6.4 and 6.5's and the video problem, that is the main reason I don't use them. :cry:
But even if there was no video problem, with having to disable services, put up with dark screens @ bootup, or even having to asign hotkeys, I would go back to the 6.3's even if it ment losing some performance. :rolleyes: I have been spoiled by the 6.3's :respect:

[Wizard17]

:pimp: Well, with the 6.3's, I don't have to dick around with hotkeys or disabling services, as AtiTool does that itself. Also the "Do Not Show this again" dialog only appears after the install of the 6.3's, after that AtiTool shuts down services automatically when AtiTool boots up Automatically with windows with NO dialog ever. :rockout:
As for the 6.4 and 6.5's and the video problem, that is the main reason I don't use them. :cry:
But even if there was no video problem, with having to disable services, put up with dark screens @ bootup, or even having to asign hotkeys, I would go back to the 6.3's even if it ment losing some performance. :rolleyes: I have been spoiled by the 6.3's :respect:

For disabling services with 6.4/6.5 it doesn't differ, that's not what I meant... I'm just saying that this trick will enable hotkeys (if you use them) and VPU recover again, while still being able to use ATITool...
Since 6.4/6.5 have the "video clock-switch problem", it's useless re-enabling the service (thinking it would disable all clock-switching) since the driver is doing the video-switching there...
Who cares about a dark screen (or even garbled screen) at bootup? As long as it works after that, so what... ;-)
BTW, there have been posts about ATITool not giving you that message or disabling the service, so it's easier to disable it yourself...
Anyway, if you seek performance, 6.2 delivers a little more of it than 6.3... ;-)
So now you know why I'm still on 6.2... :toast:

[Tory]

Well, it's not so great. I started the latest ati tool beta along with a fresh install of windows and cat 6.5, disabled the auto clock switching service, and hit find max core.

Every time ati tool bumped the speed, the whole screen would flicker strangely in one narrow band from side to side. I let it continue for a while, but around 660Mhz, the screen went black and the card's fan slowed down. :wtf:

Temps were 42C cpu and 71C GPU. Volts are right on the mark, 11.99 idle and 11.95 load measured with a digital multimeter. I'm not sure if it's hardware or software really...

[Gnerma]

The "find max" functions in ATITool beta 14 are largely non functional for the time being. I don't recommend you use them.

[Wizard17]

Well, it's not so great. I started the latest ati tool beta along with a fresh install of windows and cat 6.5, disabled the auto clock switching service, and hit find max core.

Every time ati tool bumped the speed, the whole screen would flicker strangely in one narrow band from side to side. I let it continue for a while, but around 660Mhz, the screen went black and the card's fan slowed down. :wtf:

Temps were 42C cpu and 71C GPU. Volts are right on the mark, 11.99 idle and 11.95 load measured with a digital multimeter. I'm not sure if it's hardware or software really...

LOL:laugh:

First of all, if you want to use ATITool, you should use ATI Catalyst 6.3 or earlier, since you will get problems with the driver switching clocks from CCC 6.4...

Then:
Does the word BETA have any meaning to you?
This beta supports the ATI X1??? series barely yet...
The main thing that works is setting clocks, volts and temps. ALL manually...
It's a painstaking experience and not really worth the small gains, but that's a personal decision...
Furthermore, expect the following things NOT working correctly:
- Artifact scanning (You can do manually but you'll have to do the detecting yourself by closely watching the 3D view for abnomalies!)
- Find max. core
- Find max. mem.
- Some crossfire configs are not possible yet (like starting two profiles, one for each card, etc.)

What can you do with it then, you ask?
- Set and painstakingly try to find your best core-clocks manually
- Set and painstakingly try to find your best mem.-clocks manually
- Set and painstakingly try to find your best voltages for above two
- Set and painstakingly try to find your best fan-settings (necessary for stability)
- Save these settings in a profile and use them when needed...

Temps., volts:
These cards are very VERY picky on temps. and volts. Be very careful with those, and use adequate or excessive fan-settings to keep temps. to "normals" for stable performance:
70c max. for the voltage regulators
60c for the env. (mem.)
70c max. for the core...
Above this, things might or might not work (mostly the latter)
These are just rules of thumb... I've set my fan such that on 3D Turbo profile (see below) the core max. temp. ever is just under 85c...

With the volts, anywhere that you won't get a warning message (don't turn that off unless you know what you're doing) is okay and safe... Be aware though that making differences between the two profiles you're gonna switch too big will definitely cause crashes...
So, setting 0.82 volts for your 2D and 1.5 for your 3D profile will most likely crash when you switch... This crashing also depends alot on temp. If you set volts like just mentioned, it might work when your core is at 60c, but after a gaming session and the core is now 80c then the switch back to 2D might still cause a crash... So, it really is alot of work to get something useful out of this...

I've now done something else...Instead of overclocking the card, I'm now downclocking it mostly... I've found that most games really don't need that much horsepower... It's nice to have, but also garantees alot of fan-noise trying to keep things stable... So, I now got profiles like this:
[Default] Core=500.00 Mem=600.00 Voltage=1175, 2086, 2086, 1486 Fan Control=FzhxYBxWJ73C4u2IiL+TYw==
[Startup] Core=250.00 Mem=200.00 Voltage=820, 1785, 1785, 1135 Fan Control=Fyl2XBFDP7DdnPuDmbWnYw==
[2D] Core=250.00 Mem=200.00 Voltage=820, 1785, 1785, 1135
[3D 3] Core=300.00 Mem=792.00 Voltage=950, 2086, 2086, 1496
[3D 4] Core=400.00 Mem=792.00 Voltage=970, 2086, 2086, 1496
[3D 5] Core=500.00 Mem=792.00 Voltage=995, 2086, 2086, 1496
[3D 6] Core=600.00 Mem=792.00 Voltage=1125, 2086, 2086, 1496
[3D 7] Core=700.00 Mem=792.00 Voltage=1400, 2086, 2086, 1496
[3D Turbo] Core=720.00 Mem=792.00 Voltage=1500, 2086, 2086, 1496
[Test] Core=735.00 Mem=828.00 Voltage=1500, 2086, 2086, 1496

Default is there just to be able to set it back to default, including volts and fan...
Startup I use to startup with when windows starts, so it sets my clocks, volts and fan
2D is there to get back to after a game, same as startup, though without the fan, otherwise you will keep hearing the fan resetting (does that on every change to fan-settings)
3D 3 til 3D 7 are my general usage profiles for different performance levels (and thus noise-levels)... For every game-shortcut, I'm starting a batch which does the following:
1 start Fraps if specified in shortcut
2 kill ATITool
3 set given profilename (in shortcut) in ATITool "ProfileStartup" registry
4 start ATITool in tray with -s parameter (it then startsup with desired profile)
5 start game and wait till it exits
6 kill ATITool once more
7 set profilename back to 3D 5 in ATITool "ProfileStartup" registry
8 start ATITool again
9 delay 3 seconds
10 kill ATITool once more
11 set profilename back to 2D in ATITool "ProfileStartup" registry
12 start ATITool again
13 kill Fraps if it was started

steps 7,8,9,10 are only done when gaming profile used was 3D Turbo, since switching back from that one to 2D would mean a crash, so that's an "intermediate" switch to first ease down on temps., volts, then switch back to 2D...

3D Turbo is the Oced profile, really didn't even need it once, but just for fun I'm still trying to improve the OCing... ;-)
Test is there to do that OC-improving... Both are merely for fun and still a work in progress...

Like this, I can use any of the profiles I create for any game individually, say, 3D Turbo for Tomb Raider Legend, while using 3D 3 for ToCA Race Driver 3...

Seriously, I'm running most games on 3D 3, some on 3D 5, only one on 3D Turbo (Tomb Raider)
3D 3 sounds like shit-performance, but it actually is more than enough for most game (hint: The trick is the fast mem. clock, I've found that to be the "sweet-spot" for my mem. Ofcourse, other cards probably have a different sweet-spot!)

I use Fraps to find my performance in-game, and when it's avg. of 85 FPS (or above, but I'm using vsync@85Hz so won't notice that anyway AND having too much power is only WASTING then) I'm happy... I start with simply running on 2D, not enough, I make it 3D 3, not enough, okay, 3D 4, etc. till 3D Turbo if needed...
When I'm done finding enough performance I remove the parameter for fraps from the shortcut and I'm set... ;-)

I'm using CCC 6.2 for this, since from tests I've found it gives best performance still...

Yes, I agree, a long story, alot of work, but this setup finally paid of for me... ;-)
What did I gain?
- Now I only use power when I really need it, saving an enormous amount of electricity and stress on the card
- When needed, I have the horsepower right at my fingertips to put it to work... ;-)

Note: Killing ATITool leaves the icon in the system-tray, so I end up with 3 or 4 of those after a game, but that can't be helped (yet) and they disappear anyway if you move the mouse over it...

Ocing the card is a nice job and keeps you busy for a while, but really, the question is more like:
Do I really need that much horsepower all the time? Well, sometimes you do, I agree, and then it's pretty neat to have it, but most of the time, no, not at all... And making your card run much faster than necessary only produces noise, heat and wasting electricity...
ATI themselfs don't do it much better. They give you 2 choices...2D/3D Now, I can have as many as I want, and apply it individually to any game or program if needed... ;-)

As an added bonus:
Since I mostly only use a small amount of power like this, my power supply won't have to work that hard either, resulting in an even quieter system, even when gaming...
I don't want to be required to use a heaphone while playing a game, just not to hear that noisy fan... :-)

Last note:
These profiles are how they work for my card, so they are probably useless to anyone, but it still gives a rough idea...

[Tory]

Woah, thanks, lol. Yeah I know it's a beta but I had no idea it was *that* betaish since I had used it on my X800 with great success. After reading that whole thing I think I am not going to bother really. Sounds like too much work.

One question though, how far were you able to get the core on stock voltage? I know it won't be the same as me but I just want a rough idea.

[Wizard17]

Woah, thanks, lol. Yeah I know it's a beta but I had no idea it was *that* betaish since I had used it on my X800 with great success. After reading that whole thing I think I am not going to bother really. Sounds like too much work.

One question though, how far were you able to get the core on stock voltage? I know it won't be the same as me but I just want a rough idea.

As I mentioned before, it depends on your mem. clock... On mem. @801 I barely can do 690 on core @ 1.425 volts (defaulot 3D)... But as you saw I can do 700 @ 1.4 with mem. set to 792... So I guess (but not verified) on mem. 801 I would be able to get around 705 max. or so @ 1.425 volts...

[Tory]

As I mentioned before, it depends on your mem. clock... On mem. @801 I barely can do 690 on core @ 1.425 volts (defaulot 3D)... But as you saw I can do 700 @ 1.4 with mem. set to 792... So I guess (but not verified) on mem. 801 I would be able to get around 705 max. or so @ 1.425 volts...
Oh, right. All this time I thought you had an X1800 like me. My stock voltage is 1.25v :wtf: I guess I'll just have to figure it out for myself.

[a66b]

Hi,

I use an IBM T43p with docking station.
Ati X300 - IBM driver : 8.163.1.11 (21/01/2006)
System is WinXP pro sp2.
AtiTool 0.25 beta 14.

If i load a profile, then undock the laptop, the LCD is scrambled (like if a wrong refresh rate has been applied) and after some time the system crash (Blue screen).

This occurs when loading an overclocked profile, or even if i load the default profile. (while the GPU is not overclocked).

[hazeldene]

Is the lack of support for temperature monitoring and fan control in my GeCube X1600XT the result of Atitool 0.25 B14 or the actual card?

[Gnerma]

If you see a temperature reading on the overdrive tab in CCC, its ATITool.

[hazeldene]

there is no overdrive tab in ccc

[Raovac]

Oh, right. All this time I thought you had an X1800 like me. My stock voltage is 1.25v :wtf: I guess I'll just have to figure it out for myself.

:pimp: @ default 2D my VGPU is @ 1.275v, and MVDDC, and MVDDQ is @ 2.097. I can run the core up to 675, and the memory up to 775. Anything higher I get a black screen, and have to increase the voltage to get more. But that's pretty good at 2D stock voltage in my books. :rockout:

[ganescha]

why dosnt volt control work o my sapphire x180gto? is it something to do with driver?

[dnihilist]

First of all, awesome job W1zzard, I've been using ATT since 9800Pro.

2nd, do you think an automatic downclock and/or temperature warning would be useful, especially with summer coming up, if a certain temperature is attained? Might prevent the nasty checkerboards/tearing in game.

D

[Wizard17]

First of all, awesome job W1zzard, I've been using ATT since 9800Pro.

2nd, do you think an automatic downclock and/or temperature warning would be useful, especially with summer coming up, if a certain temperature is attained? Might prevent the nasty checkerboards/tearing in game.D

Haha, yeah, would be nice, but many games would crash from a pop-up like that...
maybe a sound warning only for temperature or so would be nice...

[MrC]

Hi, I just tried this beta on my X1400, read X1300 so thought it would work but was scared to death when my 2 day old Inspirion 6400 screen went totally gray when trying to load the default profile, luckily a reboot resolved this (me in my experiments :eek: ).

Anyway, I don't really want to overclock, but want to use the 3D detection to only load fast settings when I play a game. So a checkmark to automatically limit the clockspeed at the default max. would be welcome, and off-course X1400 support :rolleyes:.

[Wizard17]

Hi, I just tried this beta on my X1400, read X1300 so thought it would work but was scared to death when my 2 day old Inspirion 6400 screen went totally gray when trying to load the default profile, luckily a reboot resolved this (me in my experiments :eek: ).

Anyway, I don't really want to overclock, but want to use the 3D detection to only load fast settings when I play a game. So a checkmark to automatically limit the clockspeed at the default max. would be welcome, and off-course X1400 support :rolleyes:.

Why don't you stick to using ATI's CCC then? That does exactly that... No need for ATITool then...;)

[MrC]

Because I use the Omega drivers that don't function with CCC.

-regard as not written- Hmmm, maybe I should have checked the regular drivers before directly installing the Omega ones, then I would have known. -regard as not written-

I use the Omega drivers because Ati doesn't support the X1400 yet, Dell does but those drivers are completely outdated (3dmark06 461 dell vs 949 omega :laugh: ), I "subcounsiously" read this on some forum and went for the omega drivers directly. Anyway that's why I would appreciate it if X1400 support can be done.

[Wizard17]

Because I use the Omega drivers that don't function with CCC.

-regard as not written- Hmmm, maybe I should have checked the regular drivers before directly installing the Omega ones, then I would have known. -regard as not written-

I use the Omega drivers because Ati doesn't support the X1400 yet, Dell does but those drivers are completely outdated (3dmark06 461 dell vs 949 omega :laugh: ), I "subcounsiously" read this on some forum and went for the omega drivers directly. Anyway that's why I would appreciate it if X1400 support can be done.

Oh, I see, but regardless of that, the Omega's too simply will switch clocks on 3D detection automatically... As long as you don't disable the Hotkey Poller Service... Still no need for ATITool... I agree though that ATITool can give you much better control over your card, but then again, 3D Detection is not as flawless as ATI's (Omega's)...

[SlipSlice]

Can u check the temperature of your G-card from ATI tool. I heard u could, but can't find it.

[Wizard17]

Can u check the temperature of your G-card from ATI tool. I heard u could, but can't find it.
Yes but it depends if your graphcis card has a temperature sensor and if your particular card is supported by AATITool...

[SlipSlice]

And how would I find that info. out about my card???

[Wizard17]

And how would I find that info. out about my card???

What do you have exactly?

[SlipSlice]

I have an ATI Radeon 9550.

[Tory]

Ok, a few more things.

I have been playing with ATI tool quite a bit now and I'm having horrible luck with it.

First, for some reason if I use overdrive to overclock to 690/800 it works fine without and problems at all. But if I try to use ATI tool to get the same speeds, I get artifacts and my monitor shuts off after about 20 seconds. Does overdrive change voltages or something? When I used ati tool I left all voltages at default, as I only assumed overdrive does the same.

Moving on, I am having trouble with profiles, mainly downlocking ones. It seems that when ati tool loads a profiles, it applies voltages and then clocks. Well... that's a problem when it sets the voltage from 1.275 down to .895 without lowering the clock speeds first. Perhaps ati tool could be changed to detect if the profile was overclocking or underclocking and set voltages and clocks in the proper order for each?

Yeah, that's about all. Right now I can't even overclock OR underclock with ati tool (well I can underclock but I have to set the clock speeds first then the voltages myself every time).

[ElAguila]

Yes you need to change the voltage when overclocking. the ATI overdrive changes it dynamically. The 3d voltage on the x1900xt is 1.425.

[Tory]

Yes you need to change the voltage when overclocking. the ATI overdrive changes it dynamically. The 3d voltage on the x1900xt is 1.425.
Oh really? Well that's good to know. Any idea what the maximum voltage overdrive uses is?

[Wizard17]

Oh really? Well that's good to know. Any idea what the maximum voltage overdrive uses is?
1.425 volts on the 1900 series (R580)... Dunno on the 1800 series (R520)... Use systool from this site to determine the volts Overdrive uses for your card. Read some more posts to the bottom here to get answers to your questions/problems...

[Wizard17]

I have an ATI Radeon 9550.
Don't think that card has a temp. sensor...

[Air_Fresh]

playing any video with atitool installed crashes quartz.dll

[Wizard17]

playing any video with atitool installed crashes quartz.dll
Use Catalyst 6.3 or earlier... 6.4 and up don't work well with ATITool since the driver switches clocks on detecting video...

[Air_Fresh]

how about an update of ATITool? I only want the fan speed controls for an Xfire x1900 setup.

how does ATITool control fan speed? cos i'll do it via the registry or file editing if neccesary.

i asked ATI if they would be at least adding 2 temperature monitors to CCC there anwswer in a word, no.

[Wizard17]

how about an update of ATITool? I only want the fan speed controls for an Xfire x1900 setup.

how does ATITool control fan speed? cos i'll do it via the registry or file editing if neccesary.

i asked ATI if they would be at least adding 2 temperature monitors to CCC there anwswer in a word, no.
As far as I know you can control your fans with current ATITool... Can't you switch cards and setup the second fan-control? I know it's not perfect, but at leaast it works, no? There's nothing in the registry that you could use to change that...

You've got an answer from ATI? Wow... That's already alot better than what I got... :-)

[Air_Fresh]

ok you can setup fan controls for both cards but it cant be saved to 1 profile so you still have to go into atitool every boot to set the fan speeds manually, when i do reboot quartz.dll dosent work in WMP or any game with video sequences at startup which is more or less all of them

is there no way to ovveride the default fan speed settings without ATITool?

My reply from ATI:

There are currently no announce plans for dual temperature monitoring or manual fan control in the Catalyst Control Centre.

I have passed the ticket information along to the Feature Request department though.

[Air_Fresh]

so basicaly ATI sell Xfire X1900's almost as the flagship lineup but offer nothing in the way of support for them.

seems like folks with 1 XTX have the best deal until ATI pull the finger out of there asses and offer up some decent drivers.

[Wizard17]

so basicaly ATI sell Xfire X1900's almost as the flagship lineup but offer nothing in the way of support for them.

Euhm.. Don't wanna argue, but default things work and are fine. What you wish is a feature, what's that got to do with support?

As far as I know or can tell, there's no way you can do so with ATITool, except manually... Maybe someone else has an idea?

[Air_Fresh]

90C before the fans even speed up is a bit warm dont you think? and its all in aid of one thing, trying to keep the cards quiet, i can put up with them at 100% speed so long as it prolongs the life of the card 80+C isnt good for any component you know that i think ATI should at least give you the choice of do you want your hardware to break in 6/12 or 18 months.

i had a delta 120mm and 80mm fan running at 100% all the time so these what 50/60mm fans at full tilt are nothing in comparisson.

[Wizard17]

90C before the fans even speed up is a bit warm dont you think? and its all in aid of one thing, trying to keep the cards quiet, i can put up with them at 100% speed so long as it prolongs the life of the card 80+C isnt good for any component you know that i think ATI should at least give you the choice of do you want your hardware to break in 6/12 or 18 months.

i had a delta 120mm and 80mm fan running at 100% all the time so these what 50/60mm fans at full tilt are nothing in comparisson.

Your card reaches 90c on normal load with ATI drivers??? Using ATI CCC, my card won't even reach 80c, on full overdrive... Granted, the fan-speeds are kept low to minimize noise, I agree, but that fan is about as effective as it can be from around 60% anyway... In other words, going to 80 or even 100% wouldn't make it much cooler... Get a 2 80mm. fans, one on the side of your case (if possible), literally tie another one on top of the volt-regs. This way, you'll provide much better and cooler airflow as intake for the card(s)... It works for me...

[Air_Fresh]

ok i've never seen them actually at 90C but they were hitting 80C and i know this cause i had ATITool set to make the fans go to 100% when it hit that then back to 68% once it cooled down a bit having them run at less than 68% until they hit 100C (which i believe is the default) seems crazy and pointless unless you want to break somthing.

you cant really compare temperatures with me with just the 1 card even though it is the xtx 2xt's produce a lot of heat which is why its like being in the carribean up in here especially when its pretty warm out anyway.

[ghost101]

I can't get my Powercolor X800XL to see the LM63 chip. I can't detect it and doesn't read any temps. I've read other people had this problem but this beta .25 v 14 fixed it. I can't get it to work. I even removed atitool and all registry keys and reinstalled the beta. Anyone have ideas? My card does have the chip.

I have the same problem. So again if someone can answer this i would be grateful.

http://redroad.wordpress.com/

[Wizard17]

Hi, I use an IBM T43p with docking station.
Ati X300 - IBM driver : 8.163.1.11 (21/01/2006)
System is WinXP pro sp2.
AtiTool 0.25 beta 14. If i load a profile, then undock the laptop, the LCD is scrambled (like if a wrong refresh rate has been applied) and after some time the system crash (Blue screen).
This occurs when loading an overclocked profile, or even if i load the default profile. (while the GPU is not overclocked).

Euhm... Simply try the latest ATI drivers... It might be so since you will disable the service when using ATITool, and it may prevent the system from restoring your display after undocking. If so, there's nothing you can do about it other then not undocking or turn it off before undocking. What might help as quickfix is to put it in standby first, then undock, then wake up, maybe...
Doesn't it say which driver is causing the blue screen at the bottom?

[Wizard17]

ok i've never seen them actually at 90C but they were hitting 80C and i know this cause i had ATITool set to make the fans go to 100% when it hit that then back to 68% once it cooled down a bit having them run at less than 68% until they hit 100C (which i believe is the default) seems crazy and pointless unless you want to break somthing.

you cant really compare temperatures with me with just the 1 card even though it is the xtx 2xt's produce a lot of heat which is why its like being in the carribean up in here especially when its pretty warm out anyway.

Well, I understand 2 cards produce more heat than one, that's why improving your air intake for both would really help. As to ATITool, the only chance you have to try is to split ATTool into two versions. I know it won't be easy, but worth a shot. Copy ATITool folder, run ATITool on card 1, run another using the run as-feature under a different use-account for card 2. I can't test if this would work since I don't have two cards. I don't think it will work since then both programs will try to get hold of the same driver, but you can try once...
If it would work, it would allow you total control of both cards, 1 ATITool per card with own profiles...

[Ted]

Could someone help? I'm running a Radeon 1600 Pro and ATI Tool 0.25 Beta 14.
How do I get a temperature report or graph?
Thanks

[dancinpuck]

ted,
click settings in the lower right hand corner of atitool. then select "temperature monitoring" in the drop box. then check the "write temp to log file" box. The log file is stored in the ati tool program folder as 'log.txt'

[Ted]

Thanks for the reply. I clicled on settingd and can not find temperature monitoring. Is this function not supported any more?

[dancinpuck]

http://www.techpowerup.com/wiki/doku.php/atitool/supported_devices

here is a list of supported devices, it says theres no temp support for 1600 series Sapphire X1600Pro AGP.
so its normal that you have no temps

[Rabid Badger]

I don't know if this is a known issue, but when I watch a movie in WMP, my card reverts back to 2D clocks, even if I have ATI Hotkey disabled.

[Gnerma]

Thats a known issue when using Cat 6.4 or 6.5 Rabid. So you're not alone.

[ISSA2000]

every once on a while this comes up?


core 0.38 memory 0


(and no gpu temp (0))

usualy after a reboot .

about 1 / in 15 times


reload it - ok

1900xtx default setting - 6.5 (did it with 6.3 etc...):ohwell:

[Wizard17]

every once on a while this comes up?

Are you running OCed? I sometimes get that it can't find the card properly, but only when heavily OCed... Then I reload and it's fine again... Sounds the same problem to me...

I don't get it when not running OCed...

[ISSA2000]

Are you running OCed? I sometimes get that it can't find the card properly, but only when heavily OCed... Then I reload and it's fine again... Sounds the same problem to me...

I don't get it when not running OCed...



no i am not overclocking - everything is aty default - cpu -mb-vc etc

[Frederik S]

I get alot of strange artifacts when enabling scan for artifact feature. They don't show up on screen shots. I get these both with .24 and .25 beta 14, i have tried with bot Catalyst 6.1/6.3/6.5. I also get these strange artifacts in Trackmania. This is with standart clocks, and the artifact scanner doesn't register these strange artifacts. My setup is: X800XL from ASUS, 3 Ghz Prescott, 1 Gb. GeIL ONE.
EDIT:
I found the solution, just by turning down the resolution of my screen from 1280*1024 to 1024*768. Very strange i guess it must have something to do with running the 5/4 aspect ratio.

[bunbury79]

When atitool shows temperature of both sli gpus???

[mtosev]

When is the next version comin' out? :rolleyes:

[soundx98]

w1zzard, any idea when you will have time to look at compatability with the Vista x64 Beta 2?
Driver won't load. Still works great in XP x64 Edition. Keep up the great work!

[Morph69]

I got myself an X1900GT & ati tool doesn't show any temps at all, is this card supported? i got the GeCUBE X1900GT..

please help as i would like to try some overclocking :)

thx.

[dancinpuck]

http://www.techpowerup.com/wiki/doku.php/atitool/supported_devices

ati tool doesnt officiaclly support the X1900 series yet, so use at your own risk

[Super XP]

http://www.techpowerup.com/wiki/doku.php/atitool/supported_devices

ati tool doesnt officiaclly support the X1900 series yet, so use at your own risk

ATI Tool has been supporting the X1900's for more then 6 months now?? so that is not the problem. Though the X1900GT is the newest of them all, so I would wait for Wizard to update the beta ATI TOol.

[ElAguila]

I don't know if this is a known issue, but when I watch a movie in WMP, my card reverts back to 2D clocks, even if I have ATI Hotkey disabled.

It also happens with avi and mpeg files as well. I tested the 6.6 beta yesterday and the same issue is there as well. Sometimes it will revert back to 2d clocks and other times it will lock up.

[Eshelon]

Is there any chance this tool will eventually allow for 1:1 aspect ratio support? CCC still isn't doing it yet those nVidia folks have it.

[astevens0310]

Just because it seems most bugs are reported and answered here rather than the bug forum :D...

==================================

I'm running:
Dell Laptop-Inspiron 8600
Windows XP Pro SP2 / Xandros Linux Dual Boot
Intel Pentium M 755 Dothan
2.00 GHz 400 MHz FSB
2x512 Mb PC 2700 DDR RAM
AGP 4x
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 with newest Omega Drivers
Using ATITool 0.25 Beta 14

I've performed a copper mod on my video card. This is simply a widely used modification to the video card that involves cleaning the video card of Dell's double sided sticky-tape that's used for heat conduction. Silver thermal compound and copper plates are installed to better transfer heat.

This is supposed to allow high overclocking of the video card. However, before and after the mod I'm only able to knock up the settings by 10 MHz max. The desktop environment is unaffected-I can increase everything pretty much 35% or more. As soon as a video game is started the screen suddenly flashes and I experience nothing short of a total breakdown of the game. After exiting the game, any icons on the desktop are distorted. It will even to this with a 10 MHz bump to the default settings. Willing to test anything that might fix this.

[dnihilist]

Anyone checked out 6.6 with ATT yet?

[mtosev]

With 6.6 I have a huge problem. Games and apps say that they can't find a graphic accelerator. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

xp sp2 and x800 xt pe agp

[b1lk1]

6.6 works great for me. No issues yet and I get some small gains in 05 and 06 too. No problems with my games or apps.

[Lt_JWS]

6.6 seems to work fine for me aswell, no problems :D

[Dsch!ngiS]

I hate the new Catalyst 6.6, i got only 9-10 FPS @ WOW (before 100FPS)
Although the CC dont run correctly @ my pc and i cant run 3DMark05 correctly
(sry 4 my bad english, im from germany :D)

[ElAguila]

[QUOTE=ElAguila]It also happens with avi and mpeg files as well. I tested the 6.6 beta yesterday and the same issue is there as well. Sometimes it will revert back to 2d clocks and other times it will lock up.[/QUO6.6 has the same problem. I played an avi and it set my clocks to 333/549

[Azure Hydra]

--Can ATI Tool Control the Fan on my Radeon 9600? (Can an older version of ATI Tool do it? and were could I get an old version?)

I THINK maybe 1year ago I used ATI Tool to control it's fan...now that I have the latest versions of ATI Tool, it doesn't really do much with a Radeon 9600.
Info on my Radeon 9600 card (copied and pasted from Catalyst program):

Graphics Chipset RADEON 9600 SERIES
Device ID 4150
Vendor 1002
Subsystem ID 4150
Subsystem Vendor ID 16EF
Bus Type AGP---Current Bus Setting AGP 8X
BIOS Version 008.017D.031.00
BIOS Part Number BK-ATI VER008.017D.031.000
BIOS Date 2004/09/03
Memory Size 256 MB
Memory Type DDR SGRAM / SDRAM
Core Clock in MHz 324 MHz
Memory Clock in MHz 203 MHz

[HHawk]

Will ATI Tool ever get updated soon?

If not, can someone else start to work on this.
Would be highly appreciated.

And are there any other good programs which do get updated frequently, e.g. Rivatuner?

[EastCoasthandle]

Anyone with Cat 6.6 with a x1900xtx/xt still able to use ATI TOOL?

[Lt_JWS]

yeah seems fine so far for everything but FEAR for me... it sets the clocks to default no matter what i set them to.

[nicepun]

Will ATI Tool ever get updated soon?

If not, can someone else start to work on this.
Would be highly appreciated.

And are there any other good programs which do get updated frequently, e.g. Rivatuner?

I'm wondering the same thing. I'm getting pretty damn close to go back to CATS 6.3 so I can OC my X1900XTX. I've tried just about everything (i.e. just display drivers, and yes disabling the two ati processes). If I had any hair I would have pulled it by now....:banghead: Oh well, I'm gonna go get drunk now...laters! :toast:

[Wizard17]

ATI is clearly going a path where the clocking-"problem" will remain. They probably need the clocks set at a minimum for correct video-playback (I have noticed video-decoding problems forcing clocks under that minimum of 400/600 while playing video). It's probably because of the way they re-designed the whole video-decoding stuff, to enable the new video-converter and hardware-support for these. The actual clock-change gets done by the driver, so thre's no way around it. It's also unlikely that will ever change anymore in the future. And that would mean ATITool is unusable on CCC from 6.4 and up. Unless W1zzard finds a workaround for it, ATITool will remain unusable this way. They only solution I can see would be a driver-hack, and that won't be so easy... It would also alter your original driver-install, so preferably it should be a "runtime" driver-hack which would occur at every launch of ATITool. Would also make things alot easier switching drivers. There's gonna be alot of hacked drivers if this turns out to be impossible, I bet... ;-)

W1zzard has been busy for a while and should be back on developing right about now... ;-)
I have offered a complete re-design and re-write of the GUI in support of ATITool, but didn't get much response...
Check it here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046

[ElAguila]

So basically if I want to run the fan at 100% and use the newer drivers I am going to have to modify my bios to set the fan higher and then use ccc to oc the card?

[Wizard17]

So basically if I want to run the fan at 100% and use the newer drivers I am going to have to modify my bios to set the fan higher and then use ccc to oc the card?

I think it's easier sticking to CCC 6.2. Afterall, what's the advantage of the newer versions?
CCC 6.2 still gives me fastest performance, OCed or not. And the freedom to OC and run my card the way I want to... ;-)

[MrCyberdude]

Hi Wizard, THX again for all your efforts.
.
Is there any info you can share about support for the Gainward or other AGP 7800GS+ (7800GsPlus) in upcomming AtiTool updates?
.
Say specifically Overclocking Tab info and Timing setting.
.
Love your work Wizard.

[Wizard17]

Hi Wizard, THX again for all your efforts...

Just to make it clear once more, I'm not W1zzard, the author of ATITool. As such, I cannot tell you anything usefull about this... Anyway, thanks for the support... :toast:

[dertimaushh]

ATI is clearly going a path where the clocking-"problem" will remain. They probably need the clocks set at a minimum for correct video-playback (I have noticed video-decoding problems forcing clocks under that minimum of 400/600 while playing video). It's probably because of the way they re-designed the whole video-decoding stuff, to enable the new video-converter and hardware-support for these. The actual clock-change gets done by the driver, so thre's no way around it. It's also unlikely that will ever change anymore in the future. And that would mean ATITool is unusable on CCC from 6.4 and up. Unless W1zzard finds a workaround for it, ATITool will remain unusable this way. They only solution I can see would be a driver-hack, and that won't be so easy... It would also alter your original driver-install, so preferably it should be a "runtime" driver-hack which would occur at every launch of ATITool. Would also make things alot easier switching drivers. There's gonna be alot of hacked drivers if this turns out to be impossible, I bet... ;-)


Since Cat 6.6 my card gets set to 339/693 @1,3V when i start a movie. Isn't there a possibility just to set back the card in 2D Mode after closing a movie? Just like 2D/3D detection.

[Ketxxx]

Since Cat 6.6 my card gets set to 339/693 @1,3V when i start a movie. Isn't there a possibility just to set back the card in 2D Mode after closing a movie? Just like 2D/3D detection.

*cough* omega drivers. im betting he removed the driver lock, omega used to work for ati so he knows the drivers insideout

[dertimaushh]

But he doesn't use the CCC. I need the Theater Mode that is only included in the CCC.

[Slammed94]

I can no longer play BF2 with ATi Tool running. I have to set it back to normal speeds then launch the game or it will lock up my computer after the splash screen.

I also have issues when it switches between 2D and 3D and how it messes with IQ. For example I will have everything maxed out and when I go into a game nothing will be on, a jaggy blurry mess. But if I take that off, and manually select my speeds it will apply my settings. I have tested this with 5 different drivers, and as soon as I uninstalled ATi Tool everything worked fine.

[Wizard17]

Well, I tested a bunch of drivers...

Standard with video-problem:
ATI 6.4, 6.5, 6.6
Microsoft Windows Update Driver (If I look at the date, based on 6.4) no Control Panel/ no CCC

Tweaked with video-problem:
NGO ATI Optimized Driver v1.6.6 w/ ATI Tray Tools
DHzer0point 0.65 w/ Control Panel
N2O 6.5 w/ Control Panel

Without the video-problem:
ATI 6.3 and down
Omega Catalyst 3.8.252 w/ Control Panel

So, the omega's are the only ones which "resolve" the problem, but for me it makes this driver highly suspicious claiming to be based on the 6.5 ATI's...

I also did some testing for quality and performance, but I really must be dumb, cause I didn't see any improvement at all from any of them... Go figure... What's possibly the added value of these "modified" drivers? Can anyone tell me? I know in the "old" days they provided significant improvement in both quality and performance, but what about these latest versions??? I don't se any difference, and in most cases even less performance than ATI 6.2, so what's the deal here?

The ATI CCC 6.2 "originals" still have my preference, since they give best performance, CCC and don't have the video-problem yet... ;-) So, if you don't need any of the issues fixed from later releases, I highly recommend sticking with 6.2... ;-)
6.3 fixes some game-issues, but gives slightly less performance the way I could test it...

Ofcourse, I tested with a X1900XTX, so things might work out better with other cards, but I doubt it, unless maybe for the X850's and downwards...

[Slammed94]

BF2 will not work for me if ATi Tool has loaded. I have to just run normal CCC settings or something.

[rpg711]

Well, I tested a bunch of drivers...

Standard with video-problem:
ATI 6.4, 6.5, 6.6
Microsoft Windows Update Driver (If I look at the date, based on 6.4) no Control Panel/ no CCC

Tweaked with video-problem:
NGO ATI Optimized Driver v1.6.6 w/ ATI Tray Tools
DHzer0point 0.65 w/ Control Panel
N2O 6.5 w/ Control Panel

Without the video-problem:
ATI 6.3 and down
Omega Catalyst 3.8.252 w/ Control Panel

So, the omega's are the only ones which "resolve" the problem, but for me it makes this driver highly suspicious claiming to be based on the 6.5 ATI's...

I also did some testing for quality and performance, but I really must be dumb, cause I didn't see any improvement at all from any of them... Go figure... What's possibly the added value of these "modified" drivers? Can anyone tell me? I know in the "old" days they provided significant improvement in both quality and performance, but what about these latest versions??? I don't se any difference, and in most cases even less performance than ATI 6.2, so what's the deal here?

The ATI CCC 6.2 "originals" still have my preference, since they give best performance, CCC and don't have the video-problem yet... ;-) So, if you don't need any of the issues fixed from later releases, I highly recommend sticking with 6.2... ;-)
6.3 fixes some game-issues, but gives slightly less performance the way I could test it...

Ofcourse, I tested with a X1900XTX, so things might work out better with other cards, but I doubt it, unless maybe for the X850's and downwards...
u forgot the dna drivers... www.dna-force.com

[Wizard17]

u forgot the dna drivers... www.dna-force.com

Don't seem to exist anymore? Your link takes me to an available domain...
Wrong link or DNA is history? BTW, it wasn't my intention to test ALL drivers... LOL

[Wizard17]

BF2 will not work for me if ATi Tool has loaded. I have to just run normal CCC settings or something.
- uninstall ATITool
- go in registry, delete key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\tehpowerup\ATITool
- delete C:\Program Files\ATITool if still exists
- uninstall video-driver, reboot
- use driver cleaner pro to delete remnants http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Uninstallers/Driver-Cleaner-Professional.shtml
select all ATI-sections to clean at once...
- while still having ATI-filters selected, use driver cleaner pro to delete remnants in CAB-files too (See menu for CAB cleaner)
- install CCC 6.2 or 6.3, according to your preference
- install ATITool

whatecer you're doing or did (installed a newer driver?) your problem is not caused by ATItool, or you would have that issue from the moment you installed ATITool...

[GameNut]

Guys,
Sorry for the post here, I am having trouble getting started. I have a Sapphire X850 pro with vivo that I have flased up to a X850 XT. It seems that the fan just runs at one speed. If ATI tool says it is running lower than 100% the fan is not running. Please help.

[songokussm]

GameNut,
its probbally not something your doing. I did a system wipe about a month ago and cant get my x850(s) to work with atitool in anyform. Still trying to figure it out, as nothing changed but software.

All post back later.

Btw, by not working i mean the one card is dected as ding 15.7/7mhz, and the other is 145/145. no options work. just nothing.

[GameNut]

I read a thread from another user that fixed the issue. Sorry I didn't write down the name but quite a good idea! I will add some details.

First flash your card with the moded flash utility to open up to 16 pipelines. -f -p 0 sap...bin

Flash back to original bios using ATIflash. -f -p 0 bios.bin (Saved original bios file with ATI tool beta)

What this does is the ATIflash will not change the pipelines but sets your clocks back to default, 500 / 500

I then use ATI Tool's 3D detection to clock up to X850 XT PE clock speeds at game play 540 / 590 with 3D off setting clocks back to default

My fan now works great and I use the clock overrides in ATI tool to run the fan at higher speeds at lower temps, I also run a 2 slot pci cooler fan under the card. ATI Tool is #1

[songokussm]

Glad you found an answer!

i also found one for my issue. For some reason atitool thinks i have and extra video card. In some systems i am running in crossfire i have 2 real video cards and it gives me an extra one, that is automatically selected. And in others that i only have one video card it does the same thing. So you just go into options and select the card you wish to change.

Cant wait for the next release!
Keep up the good work!

[Morph69]

is there going to be any update for ati tool to include my dear X1900GT?

PLSPLSPLSPLSPLSPSLPSLSPLSPSLPSLSPLSPSLSPSLPSLSPS !:banghead:

[Airjarhead]

is there going to be any update for ati tool to include my dear X1900GT?

PLSPLSPLSPLSPLSPSLPSLSPLSPSLPSLSPLSPSLSPSLPSLSPS !:banghead:
Ditto. There hasn't been an update for 5 months. A lot of new cards need support (like my 7900GT). Pretty please with sugar on top:)

[nothanks]

Nothing more annoying than a developer who can't even give a simple yes or no to whether an application will be updated. 5 months, no updates, app is broken on anything past C