0.25 Beta 14

[randomperson21]

does overclocking the pci express bus help with performance?

maybe by 1 or 2 mhz, but not really.

you can actually fry your graphics card by running the pcie bus too high.

[erek]

i was looking at w1zzard's system specs and he has his at 120 MHz

[Haste]

Yes, it helps... a bit. But it isn't a good idea to overclock the PCIE bus without increasing the PCIE voltage. Which can fry your card. I think it will do more harm than good.

[BoBzeBuilder]

Is it possible to monitor temps or tweak voltages on an X1900GT?

[deathman20]

Last edited by W1zzard : 02-26-2006 at 08:22 PM.

????? has this program just finaly died, and stoped being updated becuse its been months and months since it was last updated.

If the 26th of May is a long time then yes it might be dead to most. That was the last revision he uploaded to the site, and he has posted a few times since then. The guy was finishing school and was going to take a vacation before coming back and doing this. If he takes a few extra weeks so be it, heck he might be doing coding for a new rev now but maybe is very quiet about it.

While I'm not using ATITool currently due to the more recent drivers not supporting it properly I have confidence that he will be back might not be tomorrow, might not be next week but sometime within a reasonable future.

BTW he is on the forums and has been posting but just not in this section.

[ElAguila]

I hope W1zzard still develops atitool. I am still running an older driver. I would like to try the new ones but I really like using atitool for my oc'ing.

[W1zzard]

new build out

[ElAguila]

Made some progress with this build. My system doesn't crash when viewing an avi and when viewing an mpg file the clocks are set back to the default. Before they would be set to 100MHz or more below the default.

[randomperson21]

huzzah! thanks w1zzard!

hopefully, this build will fix my yellow dots problem. i'll try it out today!

[eNarkry]

THX for the new version :)

but i have a problem with it. everytime i start this version i get a black screen and must reboot.

System:
A64 3500+
Asus A8R32-MVP Deluxe
Sapphire X1800XT
more infos.... (http://www.sysprofile.de/id10793)

test it with Catalyst 6.5 & 6.7 driver, at both it doesn´t work

thx for help and sorry for the bad english ^^

[XRW_KEN]

HI All
Im a first time Newbie to the OC world so be easy on me;)
Just a few questions, hope you guys can help.
I own

SAPPHIRE 100158L Radeon X1600PRO 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail

at first I dl the .24 atitool, it said my card was not compatable so I dl the .25, that ver. said the core is changable but the memory is not.
I hit max core and let it run till it froze up, had to hard boot, after reboot the prog said last stable core was something like 603 so,,,,

Is 603 going to be my max core?
Should my comp have froze up like that?
What is the MAX SAFE TEMP? (id rather be safe then sorry) I play bf2 w/max settings.
Will there be a new tool ver. that will support memory oc?

not sure you need this info but my system has

mobo, asusp4c800 deluxe
mem, corsair xms ddr400, 3 gigs
hd, westen dig raptor sata 80 gig 10k rpm
mon. viewsonic lcd vx924
ps truepower 580watt
fans, 2 in back, one in side door, one on vid card, one in ps

Thanks for bearing with newbie on the block

Ken

[ARTOSOFT]

SAPPHIRE 100158L Radeon X1600PRO 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail
I am not sure whether can help or not.

I have ATI PowerColor x1600pro 512MB 128bit GDDR2 AGP 4x/8x VGA Card.
I can overclock (without any artifact at all) to GPU 576MHz and Memory 468MHz. I am not sure whether ATI and Sapphire is the same or different, but looks like the board are the same. What I know, Sapphire have more head-room for overclocking.

BTW, I am changing stock cooler with Zalman VF-900CU LED. With and without Zalman, it is 9MHz GPU speed different.

Regards,
Arto.

[Xitter]

Hi to you all.

Got a brana new card made by sapphire - 1900GT and generaly not much clue what to do or don't. Finally after rrading some stuff I've got the card working with Cat 6.3 CCC 6.3 and Ati Tool b15. The problem is that I can't increase voltages in b15 so I reverted back to b14 but hey there is no Voltage section. :( Is there a way around this problem? Another Driver + CC + ATI Tool Combo? I would really appreciate your help. I am running the card on 715/720 currently since I can't get past 715 withou screen corruption and past 720 on ram for some strange reason... slider goes up but after a click Set Clock it goes back to 720. Thanks a lot for your time spend, hopefully, replying.

Oh and I almost forgot to ask... Is tehere anything specific to disable/enable in msconfig since I'd read a couple of guides regarding this problem only to find that they enable/disable different proceses. What a mess.

Xi.

[ATijbaroli]

I have a Sapphire X1800GTO and I cannot read temps, nor voltages or fan speeds, I cannot read and control anything.
But I can do it with SysTool :eek:, what may be happening?

[Gnerma]

beta 14 doesn't support GTOs, you'll have to use beta 15 (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=15895). Although keep in mind that you probably won't be able to overclock at all with it (read the thread linked above for details).

[broken-arrow]

W1zzard all i can say is that if it wasn't for ATI tool i would'nt even bother clocking my cards.
you rock dude.

[Scotty]

Hi everybody.

First of all I would like to say you have made an excellent piece of software W1zzard and I love it!
I have been using AtiTool for a while now with my XpertVision x1600pro and it has worked fine. However I haven’t run the find max procedures on it - just as a precaution (I remember reading somewhere that it isn’t working 100% with x1600), rather I manually up the clocks and ask to check for artefacts.
Anyway… I apologise if this has been covered somewhere else but I am unsure if AtiTool .25 works with the Catalyst 8.8 drivers?

Keep up the excellent work W1zz

- Scotty

[Super XP]

Try installing the new Cat drivers 6.8's .

[FirePhoenixCtk]

My x1900 doesnt like to oc the mem(it always resets to 595) when using the proggy but core overclocks fine. I got a x1900xt watercooled and ramsinks on the ram with a 10mm fan blowwing over them. help please :(

[Super XP]

My x1900 doesnt like to oc the mem(it always resets to 595) when using the proggy but core overclocks fine. I got a x1900xt watercooled and ramsinks on the ram with a 10mm fan blowwing over them. help please :(

Well, I too have that problem. But only affects me in a few games like Titan Quest, Quake 4 & Doom 3. Playing Oblivion, I can OC my Mem to 1600MHz water cooled with no problem.

I think it may be that the X1900XT's mem has tighter timings where as the X1900XTX does not, but can OC much better.

Either way, you won't see a big performance improvement by upping the mem. But the GPU is where you will see benefits big time.

[FirePhoenixCtk]

Well, I too have that problem. But only affects me in a few games like Titan Quest, Quake 4 & Doom 3. Playing Oblivion, I can OC my Mem to 1600MHz water cooled with no problem.

I think it may be that the X1900XT's mem has tighter timings where as the X1900XTX does not, but can OC much better.

Either way, you won't see a big performance improvement by upping the mem. But the GPU is where you will see benefits big time.

I mean like even just trying to move it now when i launch a game or anything, just overclocking it wont go over 595

[Super XP]

I mean like even just trying to move it now when i launch a game or anything, just overclocking it wont go over 595

I see, well what I am doing right now is just keeping my memory at it's stock speed of 1450 MHz (725MHz x 2) & just OC'ing my GPU at around 700MHz. That is just much stable IMO.

Also, you may want to note that the GPU is what will give you like 90% performance increase when OC'ed where as the Memory does not IMO. With the OC'ed GPU, I can literally see 10 to 25 FPS more on games where as just upping the Memory, I would barely get 2 to 5 FPS.

Just leave the memory alone & OC the much stable GPU.

Best Regards,
Super XP

[FirePhoenixCtk]

ok il try that instead what kind of volts are you running at that speed? sirely not the standard 3d voltages.

[Wizard17]

In addition to what super XP says here, keep in mind that with any ringbus memory controller architecture (x1x00 series in general) conditions are that the amount you OC your core succesfully depends on the amount of OC you put on your memory. Example:
I reach 700 as max. core with mem. at 800, but I can reach 725 easily with mem. set at 792...
I have determined that 792 is my mems. "sweetspot". My core OCs best that way. If I go any higher on mem., max. core I can reach drops dramatically relational to a small mem. increase beyond that "sweetspot". Try to find the sweetspot for your mem. by carefully determining the max. you can OC your core without problems at any given mem. freq. Simply start from the "default" mem. freq., which is 774 on my X1900XTX card. From there, move it up until you run into problems, set it one notch below that. Then see how far you can go on your core. Write it down wit the mem. setting, then back down your mem. a bit more and determine your max. core again. If it's higher, write down again and continue this cycle. There will come a point where lowering the mem. more will not give you a higher than previous max. core anymore. That spot I call the "sweetspot" for your mem.

Maybe a bit redundant to say but keep in mind that every single card will be different. So you cannot "share" your found sweetspot with the rest of the world claiming it's the best setting... ;-)

All in all, I have found this to be the best method for OCing these cards, since the usual methods don't really work for these new architectures. When you have determined your best settings for mem. and core like this, gently start backing down on the volts step by step (writing down your current volt-settings or remembering them and then testing under full load using your "heaviest" game or benchmark) until it runs into problems and crashes or resets itself. Then reboot, get back in ATITool and turn the volts back up a notch or two.

When going higher on core, be aware of adjusting your fan-speeds when necessary or applicable accordingly to core-speed (which you will be changing constantly using this method), otherwise you'll end up with a premature crash pretty soon.. ;-)

Upping your VDDCI MIGHT increase your max. achievable mem. sweetspot a little, but this might be individual aswell which I couldn't verify, so just try it to see if it helps. If not, simply forget about this paragraph.

Having your volts too high on the core or mem. according to freq. will cause a premature crash too, but again this might be individual to each card. Experiment.

Have fun...

As a sidenote, I've found that, at least for a X1900XTX, there's only a handfull of games, which really require all the horsepower this card is capable of delivering. For example, Toca Race Drive 3 runs perfect on my lowest 2D setting of 250/200 @ 1280x1024x32@85hz!!! (I know these cards start showing their power from higher resolutions than this, so if you run your games at higher res. you might need more horsepower ofcourse... :-)) Games with alot of complex 3D ofcourse require a whole lot more than that too, but in my case at 1280x1024 only a handfull need more than 600/792 from my experience. I might be wrong with this for a few games since I don't have all the most modern latest games, so, again, experiment. I use FRAPS (http://www.fraps.com/) to see my FPS in any game as to have a clue if I'm using "sufficient" horsepower for that particular game.

I've found that going beyond your mems. "sweetspot" actually can badly worsen your final performance severely, so with these cards, the saying: "Sometimes, less is better than too much" seems to apply quite literally...

So instead of OCing, I started focussing more and more on underclocking with low volts to have the best setting depending on game being played. The low volts will prevent me from getting deaf from the fan-whine, as I don't have upgraded to better cooling...:-)
To give you an idea at res. 1280x1024x32@85hz, I'm running
250/200: Flatout
Flatout 2
Toca Race Driver 3
400/792: All Source-engine based games like Halflife 2, SIN Episodes, etc.
Rogue Trooper
Medal of Honour series, except Pacific Assault
600/792: All Doom3-engine based games like doom3, prey, quake 4, etc.
collin Mc Rae Rally 2005
FarCry (Incl. HDR patch)
Call of Duty 2 series
Medal of Honour Pacific Assault
700/792: Tomb Raider Legend

Key here is to have Adaptive AntiAliasing and Temporal AntiAliasing disabled...
My goal was to always have 40 FPS or more at any moment in the game...

Once again, higher res. will require higher values...

[FirePhoenixCtk]

thanks for your input wizard and thanks for this great tool. But my problem is that the mem wont o/c at all, on ati tool it detects it as 500core 600 mem, i have an x1900xt. With ati overclocker the 3d settings shows what the card should be. But in ati tool it does not. My mem is stuck on 594 and i can move it one slider to 595 when i set clock it goes back to 595 any higher than 595 and my screen goes blank, or white.

[Wizard17]

thanks for your input wizard and thanks for this great tool. But my problem is that the mem wont o/c at all, on ati tool it detects it as 500core 600 mem, i have an x1900xt. With ati overclocker the 3d settings shows what the card should be. But in ati tool it does not. My mem is stuck on 594 and i can move it one slider to 595 when i set clock it goes back to 595 any higher than 595 and my screen goes blank, or white.

I wasn't trying to reach out giving you a solution. I was just talking about a different way than usual to get the best out of these cards :-)

Your problem is simply related to either software-combination or the fact beta 15 still IS beta, you know... You should ask if others using the same card as you have similar problems or not. If not, I don't think it's ATITools "fault". You should look for the reason in your software or other video-settings. If others have the same problem, it's just prove this version is still beta and actually the first release supporting your specific card... :-) In that case, have a bit patience, my friend, until wizzard has sorted it out...

[overclock[r]]

I mean like even just trying to move it now when i launch a game or anything, just overclocking it wont go over 595

leave the gpu or clock it a bit, then overclock the memory the most, the memory influences the fps the most, it was tested (tomshardware i think)

[Wizard17]

;147664']leave the gpu or clock it a bit, then overclock the memory the most, the memory influences the fps the most, it was tested (tomshardware i think)

True on low core-speeds, not so true anymore as you go up on core-speed, that's my experience and I therefore again want to stress the co-relation between core-speed and mem.-speed that seems to come into play with this new architecture somehow...

[FirePhoenixCtk]

w000000t i can clock the meme now, for some reason the mem was set at 2.1+ be default.. now its at 1.8 and i can overclock it.

[W1zzard]

pre-beta 16 testing for you:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=16851

[clawlan]

Hi all. I tried searching the thread for the answer to this but couldnt find anything. Hope you can help.

I have 3dmark06. I ran it when i first built the computer and all was fine. Now i have atiTool beta (b/c i have an x1900xtx). Well now I get the following error message. Any ideas why?

http://floorsites.homeip.net/c4/andy/error.jpg

This happens after the first two tests complete, buit before the 3rd starts.

[randomperson21]

Hi all. I tried searching the thread for the answer to this but couldnt find anything. Hope you can help.

I have 3dmark06. I ran it when i first built the computer and all was fine. Now i have atiTool beta (b/c i have an x1900xtx). Well now I get the following error message. Any ideas why?

http://floorsites.homeip.net/c4/andy/error.jpg

This happens after the first two tests complete, buit before the 3rd starts.

it might be best to start a new thread with this. i've been getting this error message too. honestly, i have really no idea why its there, but i'm pretty sure its not atitool-related. what did it for me was o/cing my cpu w/o locking the pcie bus. that made the card very very unhappy. did you do anything to your sys lately besides atitool?

[clawlan]

it might be best to start a new thread with this. i've been getting this error message too. honestly, i have really no idea why its there, but i'm pretty sure its not atitool-related. what did it for me was o/cing my cpu w/o locking the pcie bus. that made the card very very unhappy. did you do anything to your sys lately besides atitool?

well, i tried to set the card speeds to 650/775 like they are suppsoed to be stock. I dont know why they default to 500/600. Also, whats the deal with catalyst? I see that has an OC'ing feature. but when i try to sue that, the actual speed never increases, just says "requested". Help?

[randomperson21]

like i said, start a new thread. more people will be able to help you there. personally, i'm a nvidia guy.

[Super XP]

like i said, start a new thread. more people will be able to help you there. personally, i'm a nvidia guy.

For me, too many problems with NVidia cards a few years ago. I am with ATI for as long as they are around. But at the same time, I am very happy with AMD taking them over. I think both will be a power house.

Update your Direct X drivers. THere is a Sept. 2006 update version out there somewhere.

Good Luck, Long Live ATI

[danstar25]

Asking for someone to point out to me what it is I am doing wrong.
Components involved:
cats 6.9 installed, ati tool beta14, x1800xt crossfire card, x1800xt slave
When I select the 07100 slave card in ati tool and then select show 3d view i get:
The vid card u selected is not being used by windows.
Visual Testing has been disabled, go to display properties and enable monitor output of the card.
I can run the show 3d view fine on the 7109 master.
CCC and display properties only have my master card as being "active". I have uninstalled and installed the 6.9's several times. Whatever this is I know Im doing something stupid or totally oblivious to an obvious issue that going on. Can anyone help please.

[Super64]

Hi there,

Great tool! Just a quick question, does the systray temp numbers also have the capability to display the phrase "OC"? Or did the number go to a triple digit number and not expand the size of the icon?

Cheers.

[woolf]

I just bought sapphire radeon X1650 pro (have huge problems with ati catalyst driver for RC 1 - it just doesn´t work with this card ) and there is no way I could overclock this card in windows vista RC 1. Ati tool won´t work. Also does enyone know if there is a way to bios-mod (flash) this card?
Thanks!



Once an overclocker, always an overclocker:rockout: .

[Super64]

Are you able to try RC2?

[woolf]

Nop, can´t do....:banghead:

[Super64]

Compatibility mode?

[woolf]

Tried that as well. Still no go. I guess Ati tool just isn`t supported by vista RC 1. I get following error when I run Ati tool: ˝The Kernel mode driver does not seem to be running. A device driver is required for communication with your video hardware.
There is no support for my radeon X1650 pro card in Ati Catalyst vista RC-1 drivers + Ati CC won´t run correctly either. When I install those ati drivers, my card is recognised as X1600 series card and I get strange artifacts in bottom third of the screen. None of this is happening in Windows Xp..?? :confused:

[reggie6]

Dumb question incoming but this is my first time using ATI Tool.

After a profile is loaded, do I need to keep ATI Tool running in the background and minimized (tray icon present) to keep the clock settings that have been loaded active or can I exit out of ATI Tool altogether for my entire Windows session and still keep the clock settings?

Thanks in advance. Great program!

[Super64]

You can log it out. I have to in order to stop keyboard lag when playing Battlefield games. As for Vista... no idea then mate.

[netfire]

I am having issues ONLY upping my memory with my x1900 AIW. When I install Cat 6.2 drivers I can get 645/685 off of my x1900 AIW. But after I install the AIW MMC my screen goes blank if I try to up my memory AT ALL from the default speeds. Now I know there is no "Overdrive" support on AIW, but I only have this problem after installing the AIW MMC. And it is recognized as an AIW using just Cat drivers. Any suggestions?


I am new to this forum as well as ATITOOL. I have exact the same problem. I am using Omega catalyst 6.9 driver and ATI MMC 9.15. When try to up the memory, I get blank screen immediately. Originally I thought my video card is defected. :laugh: I will try to uninstall ATI MMC to see if I can overclock my AIW x1900 at all.

[Dolphis]

Hi Guys,

I was wondering if V 0.24 or V 0.25 we're compatible with the new Radeon X1950XTX.
I got this card a week ago, and ATI Tool does read it, I get the 2D Clock, but that's about all I can do.
I can't get temp. reading and I'm unable to OC. I was thinking this was maybe because I'm using the ATI CCC. Currently, Catalyst 6.10 is the only one compatible with the new X1950. ATI recently released Catalyst 6.11, but I haven't try that one yet. I even tried just installing the driver by it self.
Even ATI Tray tools wont give me a temperate reading.
When I first launch ATI Tools, it asks me if I want to turn off the 2D setting from ATI (Forgot the file name ATM), I click YES, but I get aftifacts ALL over the screen and I'm forced to reboot. Sometimes, I won't get the artifacts, but as soon as I try to OC the GPU or memory, the same thing happens.
I know V 0.25 is compatible with the X1900 series, just not sure if its compatible with the new X1950.
All really want, if nothing else, is to have the temperature readings show up.
I used an all X850 that I have and the temp. reading shows up, so I know ATI Tools is working.

[quikcatx]

I'm running 2 x1900xtx cards in crossfire mode. Can the temp be monitored on both cards? Can the speed be set to change on both cards with the increase of temp. Right now only the master temp is shown, and only the master card fan will increase speed. So the slave card gets hot fast! Any ideas??

[woolf]

I just tried Riva Tuner 2.0 RC 16 on my radeon X1650 pro and it works great with both - XP & vista. I used ATI tool in XP to determine maximum core and memory clocks, then loaded the profile in riva tuner (I set the tool to run and load the profile when windows starts). Plus it is also cool, because with riva tuner I get the core temperature monitoring , which was not the case with ATI tool.:)

[ARTOSOFT]

Don't stuck at beta14! Move on to ATITool v0.25 beta16! There is already beta16pre8.

Regards,
Arto.