0.25 Beta 14

[W1zzard]

- Fixed crash on X1900 when entering settings under high 3D load
- Show messagebox with explanation and link when user clicks on dump bios button on x1000
- Disabled saving stuff to default profile for Gamma, Mem, Fan. Default profile is default and not a custom setup
- Added support for many ATIGL GPUs
- Fixed "do you want to disable ati clock service" warning not saving "do not ask me again"
- Added Gamma for X1000 Series
- Changed rendering so that there is no more lag when not scanning. during scans this might still be possible, to maximize heat output
- Fixed issue where the renderer would not initialize properly if running on secondary adapter
- Bug where ATITool was never picking up artifacts fixed

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/259

[mtosev]

Are the problems with detecting artifacts on older cards older than X1800/1900 fixed?

[W1zzard]

yup .. edited announcement

[ViperJohn]

Hi Wizzard

Were you able to find and fix the DT raster lock with the 1900's when either 3D Window was open and other ATItool buttons were clicked. Heck were to reproduce it since it may have been system specific for all I know.

Viper

[W1zzard]

i think i did

[KennyT772]

hey w1zz everything seems to be working great except i cant get temp monitoring to work on my 9600xt. i get the graph but no readings and no control.

[W1zzard]

tried rebooting? previous beta worked fine?

[Inf]

Hi.

First of all i want to say thx for this very nice program. I love it :)
I had problems with "Find Max Core", it didn't stop raising the clock until my x800xtpe crashed or I stopped it myself.

Inf

[geodm]

will there be a version for crossfire i am currently useing a 850xt and 850 crossfire edition on a msi RD480 Neo2 motherboard and just learning about ati tray tool i would like to see both temp at the same time for both cards? your program is the best i have seen thank you:toast:

[R350np]

Yeah, good job, W1zzard.

This beta now detects some artefacts at "Find max ...", but i´ve a bad message for you: Not even all artefacts will be seen! I can see a lot of artefacts, before atitool stops the clocks raising (sensitivity at "lowest overclock"). Maybe the slider "lowest - highest Clock" didn´t work?

Sascha

[BOSE]

Something got messed, cause A64 tweaker V0.6Beta is useless, dont work anymore.

[Super XP]

I un-installed the 0.25 Beta 13 & installed the 0.25 Beta 14. It worked fine until I restarted my PC, now I get an error message - and now for some reason I cannot even make 0.25 Beta 13 work anymore.

Here is a link to the error
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6424/atitoolerror4qh.jpg

ANy help in this manner is greatful - System Spec's are in my SIG
Thanks

[EastCoasthandle]

I used Registry Mechanic to get rid of ATI Tool registry commands. Try that and see if this helps. I had a similar problem with B11 to B12.

[Super XP]

I used Registry Mechanic to get rid of ATI Tool registry commands. Try that and see if this helps. I had a similar problem with B11 to B12.

Well, for some reason it is now working ?!?! I can't really say what I did, because I do not know. ANyway, it is up & running.

[HousERaT]

W1zzard: uninstalled 25.13 and went to 25.14....... used one of my profiles from 25.13 (which also has increased clocks & voltage tweaks) and my card instantly froze up.

[mR Yellow]

Thanx :toast:
Will test tonight.

[RejZoR]

Why the hell is ATiTool overclocking from 2D frequency instead of 3D ? So it starts at 300MHz instead at 500MHz (hint: i have to wait half an hour for ATiTool to even reach stock 3D speed :rolleyes: ). I'm running Gainward 6600GT. Please fix this!

[infrared]

You set the frequency about 50mhz or so below the known max, then click "set clock" and then start the find max process. It's the same on all revisions.

[RejZoR]

No. I left frequencies at stock (stock 3D on 6600GT is 500MHz) but ATiTool started OC'ing at 300MHz (the 2D clock). So it took long to even reach 500MHz (300 to 500). After it reached stock, then it even started overclocking it. This process could be shorter for 1/2 of the entire process encoutered in my case.

Second thing i don't understand is why you can't set GPU clock when testing VRAM. I mean when you run 3D app you don't run OC'ed VRAM but not GPU. And since GPU generates more heat it's a better indicator if you test VRAM with overclocked memory that with stock.
So if VRAM fails to OC higher because GPU overheats the heatsink or PCB, thats also another factor to be involved in artifact detection. But ATiTool always tests memory at stock GPU speed. Not really the most realistic way to test...

[W1zzard]

because if you test frequencies both at the same time you dont know which causes the artifacts.

[KennyT772]

well w1zz i went back to .24 cuz on the .25s something different is broken on each one. on b14 i cant get the temp graph to show up and it looks like atitiool is reading that my card doesnt have temp in some parts but on others it does. idk its weird.

[MURc]

Hi! to all specaly to the ATItool maker!

I use ATT mainly for monitoring the teperature satate of myX1900XT and this tool do the job just right , however is there any posibilty to enable D3D TRIPLEBUFFERING always on ?

I

[atomicpineapple]

Hey W1zzard, I booted PC up this morning to find ATI tool looking like this, running with a Sapphire X1900XT.

[Gnerma]

W1zzard, thanks for all the hard work on atitool and for this new beta. I've been testing out the new artifact scanning code on my X1600 pro (yes I changed cards again, sorry) and so far it hasn't been working too well on my setup. Testing through other means I've determined that maximum stable and artifact free core speeds on this card are between 660 - 670. I've been running it at 666 and it has done ok :ohwell:

Anyhow, at first I let it run from the cards stock speed of 500, VPU Recover fired at 683. So I did some quick tests. The card ended up locking up and either VPU Recover kicking in or the system crashing at 688.5 four times in a row. No artifacts were detected prior to lockup any of these times. During these runs I started find max core at 640 after heating up the card to its full heat (~51C).

I also tried setting the card to 685 and just running scan for artifacts. When I did this VPU Recover fired after about 12 minutes.

To be sure that this wasn't just some funkiness with my system I also ran 3dmark06 at 685 and it froze halfway through firefly forest (after a nice artifact show).

[RejZoR]

because if you test frequencies both at the same time you dont know which causes the artifacts.

Well, you can't test them together simultaniously. You test GPU first and then memory. I always do like that. So when GPU reaches maximum without artifacts you move on memory. So if you get artifacts this time it's memory. I'm not sure where i saw that option (probably in ATi Tray tools when i still had Radeon). You could set start off point on your own and then program started OC'ing from there. For example if i know 550 works ok i wouldn't bother waiting the app to work over those 50MHz...

[BOSE]

Just to let you know;
It works fine on Intel chipset system with Ati card for me, but a bit dodgy on NF4 board with ATI card.

Keep up the good work!

[Bull Dog]

Hey W1zzard, I booted PC up this morning to find ATI tool looking like this, running with a Sapphire X1900XT.

Apparently its a little glitch (maybe when ATI Tool isn't closed properly) where you are also seeing the NVIDIA clock settings. I think thats what those extra tabs are for.

[atomicpineapple]

Apparently its a little glitch (maybe when ATI Tool isn't closed properly) where you are also seeing the NVIDIA clock settings. I think thats what those extra tabs are for.

Seems to do it when ATITool is loaded at startup (which i have it set to do), if i exit the app and then restart it the bars dont appear.

[zekrahminator]

lol not like I had any problems with the previous version...I kinda miss being able to save to default though :p

[Jimbo Mahoney]

I've been using ATITool on my X850XT, but I'm about to get an X1900XT and I have a quick question about the voltage control:

Could someone let me know what the max voltage for each setting is please, or at least Vcore?

Many thanks!

(and MANY thanks to W1z!! :rockout: )

[Wam7]

Just tried out 0.25 beta 14 and was wondering if the error detection is broken. It was clearly showing artifacts (flashihg yellow etc) but the error counter carried on counting up saying no errors had been detected. Hmm

[Jimbo Mahoney]

Heya wam!

From my experience with ATITool on my X850, there is an option of how 'stringent' to make the error detection. Try playing with that?

Oh, and I need a response from you re: my X850XT as I have another buyer! Thanks!

[Dynamic]

I remember using 25.13 on my X1900XT and while having it run at default minimized in tray with the GPU temp and opening COD MP 1.5v i would get stuttering once every 10-15 seconds. Once i close down ATI TOOL it would work just fine with no more problems in my game, only tried COD so far....anyone else seeing a problem like mine?

[Super XP]

Just tried out 0.25 beta 14 and was wondering if the error detection is broken. It was clearly showing artifacts (flashihg yellow etc) but the error counter carried on counting up saying no errors had been detected. Hmm

That also happened to me. The problem is that the X1900's are very new, so I am sure Wizzard will take care of that with the 0.25 beta 15 ;)

[Mekrel]

Hi W1zzard, thankyou for the great work you put into ATi Tool.

Here are my experiences with the beta's from the last few releases :) using an X1800XL.

All of thse were run using old scanning method which you need to use for the X1*00 series as I'm sure you are aware.

Beta 12 -

Would get up to 575/580 on core and detect artifacts and start lowing right back down to stock.

Beta 13 -

Would not detect artifacts untill VPU recover kicked in

Beta 14 -

Does not detect artifacts and VPU recover kicks in.

[Super XP]

O.K. now I have a bigger problem when I try to scan.

Can anybody explain this?

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1742/atitoolproblems7wx.jpg


And on top of that, I cannot play F.E.A.R because a Windows Error always pops up when I try to start it. And I cannot also play Dungeon Siedge 2, Age of Mythology & Age of Empirers 3 because in the game, because the spots of the gaming screen keep flashing when I move the mouse to play & they also look like artifacts or something?

But my GPU is running @ 58C to 65C & this is on STOCK SPEED - No overdrive & no overclock.
Thanks,

[Bull Dog]

Well you are artifacting BAD. have you tried setting the voltage to 1.3v the GPU/Mem clocks to 625/725?

[Gnerma]

Super XP, I get that when my memory clocks too high but thats the only time. Rebooting clears it up fine.

[zekrahminator]

one small trouble with ATItool...sometimes when I tell it to start with windows (sweet feature), it doesnt load my silenced fan settings, but remembers to overide them. this is BAD because it overides to a constant 5%, I notice pretty quickly in games :p

[yogurt_21]

well as with beta's 12 and 13, scanning doesn't work it just freezes the comp, and this one just like the previous 2 doesn't seem to overclock my card, only beta 11 seems to work, otherwise the card always reverts to ccc settings. beta 11 allows me to reach 780/936(1854)

[Assman]

Hey everybody. Does anyone know when the stable version is comming out. Thanx:cool:

[Greg60]

hello all,

just to confirm that there is still problems with artifact detection in beta 14, at least with my 9600XT :cry:

[dwax]

Is there going to be support for the X1300 for getting in to the settings for mem. And is it possable to see voltages and temp in these cards?

[Super XP]

Yes, same here when I reboot, it goes away.

I mean I play Quake 4 no problem. A little long in load times but never the less, it plays good. Same with DOOM 3.

I only get it when using ATI Tool to scan for artifacts. And this is stock speeds. I think Beta 11 was a lot better though for the scanning, but not sure.

Either way, Wizzard is doing a great JOB :)

Thank U

[nirad9er]

I dont know if its version specific, but created a profile for my overclock for my mobility radeon 9800 and I loaded it and to check it i went to Counterstrike source stress test and the performance was not affected. I check 3d detection to load my overclock profile on 3d and default on 2d and I went back into the stress test and the performance increase was there. I went from 48-68 at the settings I use. Why would the 3d detection work for the overclock but it wont load manually. I wanted to test 3dmark and 3d detection wont work with it. I want to verify nothing is wrong with my card and that its most likely a software issue.

Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

[Jimbo Mahoney]

Hi Wiz,

Just noticed a small bug in the window position of ATITool:

I was running 1600 x 1200 when I last opened ATITool.

I then changed to 1024 x 768 and opened ATITool again, and it was not on the screen. I had to change to 1600, move the window, then change my res.

Really minor, but there ya go!

LOVE this program btw!

[Dynamic]

Well, so far i just flashed my X1900XT to X1900XTX by Sapphire and just running CCC with the stock default frequencies 650/775. I haven't tried playing with ATI TOOL B14 yet since i had problems wtih B13 with stuttering in games or wouldn't overclock for the life of it with any voltages given to the CORE or MEMORY.

[ViperJohn]

Well, so far i just flashed my X1900XT to X1900XTX by Sapphire and just running CCC with the stock default frequencies 650/775. I haven't tried playing with ATI TOOL B14 yet since i had problems wtih B13 with stuttering in games or wouldn't overclock for the life of it with any voltages given to the CORE or MEMORY.

And what was the point of flashing the card if you were going to be manually overclocking it anyway lol???

Viper

[Gnerma]

E-penis and/or faster RAM timings. Most likely only #1 though :)

[Super XP]

And what was the point of flashing the card if you were going to be manually overclocking it anyway lol???

Viper

Well, I think it was for he FACT that the X1900XT costs cheaper & now he has the XTX.

I also did the same thing, but put it back to XT. I thought that was the reason why a few games would stutter, but maybe now it is the ATI TOOL ?

Well, either way, it will be fixed no problem I am sure, Wizzard is amazing & ATI should hire him Big Time :)

[ViperJohn]

E-penis and/or faster RAM timings. Most likely only #1 though :)

First one lol.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

Well, I think it was for he FACT that the X1900XT costs cheaper & now he has the XTX.

I also did the same thing, but put it back to XT. I thought that was the reason why a few games would stutter, but maybe now it is the ATI TOOL ?

Well, either way, it will be fixed no problem I am sure, Wizzard is amazing & ATI should hire him Big Time :)

No he has an XT flashed with an XT bios. In order to have an XTX he would have to have the labels to complete the conversion. You do not think they charge you an extra $100 just for the bios do you when it is the printing on the label set that cost the big bucks lol!!!

Viper

[Super XP]

No he has an XT flashed with an XT bios. In order to have an XTX he would have to have the labels to complete the conversion. You do not think they charge you an extra $100 just for the bios do you when it is the printing on the label set that cost the big bucks lol!!!

Viper

What I am saying is if you have a X1900XT you can flash it to a XTX version no problem. I already done this & the card read like a XTX - but I put it back to an XT, because I thought that may have been giving me prob's in games, but no, there was no change, I think it may be ATI Tool or something, but I will see.

[POGE]

Labels are the same btw... :-\ At least the "big one" on the cooler. The bar code and serial stuff is different.

[Super XP]

Labels are the same btw... :-\ At least the "big one" on the cooler. The bar code and serial stuff is different.


Oh, yes, I know, but it is nice to be able to flash the XT to a XTX - I mean they are 100000% the excact same card voltages, temps etc. all 100% identicle. The only difference is the Bios.

[Dynamic]

Super-XP uninstall ATI TOOL, that's why your games are stuttering dude....it was doing it to me....fine do this....play your game which one is it anyhow with ati tool open and if you see it stutter then hit alt+enter and close down ati tool and get back in the game and see if it happens....good luck!

[Dynamic]

And what was the point of flashing the card if you were going to be manually overclocking it anyway lol???

Viper

BRAGGING RIGHTS SON....where is your sig?

[Super XP]

BRAGGING RIGHTS SON....where is your sig?


LOL,

Thanks I will turn off ATI TOol right now & see.

F.E.A.R won't play at all - windows error message always comes up.
Dungeon Siedge 2, Quake 4 & Age of Empires III among a few more stutter like hell, but after I die once in the game, and reload the game the stuttering goes away.

Dungeon Siedge 2 though flickers like hell, then after a wile, an error message comes up & it is telling me that it is debugging or something, then the game crashes.

I think the CCC 6.2's are responsible for some of the problems I am having.

[papubhai]

can anybody solve my issue i am using msi radeon 1600 pro 256 mb and using catalyst 6.2
the problem is my temperature always shows 20c which is impossible overdrive is working ok but temperature monitoring is not working what is meant by 20c plz plz plz help me out as i am afraid of overclocking (ati tool also is not showing temp)

[arcane613]

only time i've noticed stuttering in games, and it caused me to break my kb from my logitech mx duo... is the temp monitoring... as soon as it jumps temps, it locks kb + mouse up, or lags them alot, and games were a little choppy.. i disable temp monitoring, and restart atitool and all is fine from there on out... same thing happened on x800pro, x800xtpe & x1900xtx...

havent had any issues with d3, q4, css, fear, cod2 or nfsmw since disabling temp mon.

jus thought i'd mention that...has been happening to me since atitool 0.23 or so...currently usin 0.25 b14

[Super XP]

Can you disable the Temp monitor within the CCC ? or just in ATI Tool ?

I finally got F.E.A.R working, but I get major stuttering & every time I move my character in the screen, or something moves in the screen, the game stutters & then artifacts start appearing like crazy, plus parts of the screen start lighting up or something and this is with bone stock speeds & at any setting I put. I can have it at 800 x 600 with medium settings, and it will do the same thing.

This problem is also with Dungeon Siege 2 - which eventually it will just crash. Can this be Driver related? or my card is no good.

It plays DOOM 3 "No Problem" on MAX Settings & @ 1600 x 1200 res ??? HELP.

[Edu_Gnipper]

Beta 14 still don't detect artifacts at least under my GF 6800GS AGP. Pixel and vertex pipes aren't detected too. Memory type are showed SDR when it uses GDDR3.

Well...one good news: temperature monitoring are working fine.

[papubhai]

can anybody solve my issue i am using msi radeon 1600 pro 256 mb and using catalyst 6.2
the problem is my temperature always shows 20c which is impossible overdrive is working ok but temperature monitoring is not working what is meant by 20c plz plz plz help me out as i am afraid of overclocking (ati tool also is not showing temp)

[EastCoasthandle]

I finally got ATI Tool to work on my x1900xtx. I had to put a fan on the mosfets and vregs even though the core was 35C-45C, it was the vregs that were blazing hot. I put a 120mm fan on it and oc using B14 and bam, no more hard lockups.

[BOSE]

can anybody solve my issue i am using msi radeon 1600 pro 256 mb and using catalyst 6.2
the problem is my temperature always shows 20c which is impossible overdrive is working ok but temperature monitoring is not working what is meant by 20c plz plz plz help me out as i am afraid of overclocking (ati tool also is not showing temp)


Rainstall ATI Tool. Or perhaps your have a DOA(dead on arival) card so you might want to exchange it for another one. Does CCC show temps properly???

1900xt voltage is 1.4
1900xtx voltage is 1.425

1.425V is only good up to 700/800, after that you will have to bumb the voltage to 1.50. Higher then 710/810 and you will have to raise mem voltage to 2.2 and vcore voltage to 1.50v.

[EastCoasthandle]

W1Z,

Any particular reason why I can't get my x1900xtx to start with 8.2A (@ 1.35V and higher) instead of 5.5A when VPGU is under 1.4V?? I have to put it to 1.4V, go back wait for it to change from 5.5A to 8.2A then go back to the voltage screen select 1.35V and then continue oc'ing it.

[ViperJohn]

I finally got ATI Tool to work on my x1900xtx. I had to put a fan on the mosfets and vregs even though the core was 35C-45C, it was the vregs that were blazing hot. I put a 120mm fan on it and oc using B14 and bam, no more hard lockups.

Those are series inductors to the left on the stock Mosfet strip sink not regulators driving the mosfet gates.

Viper

[BOSE]

W1Z,

Any particular reason why I can't get my x1900xtx to start with 8.2A (@ 1.35V and higher) instead of 5.5A when VPGU is under 1.4V?? I have to put it to 1.4V, go back wait for it to change from 5.5A to 8.2A then go back to the voltage screen select 1.35V and then continue oc'ing it.

errr... dude. cat drivers set the voltage to 1.175V@500/600, and stock voltage is 1.425 2 650/775. Like i said above, if you want to OC you have to set vcore voltage minimum to 1.425Vcore. wake up dude and use that brain of yours.

so you need to make a new profile in ATI tool for it to start up with.

[EastCoasthandle]

errr... dude. cat drivers set the voltage to 1.175V@500/600, and stock voltage is 1.425 2 650/775. Like i said above, if you want to OC you have to set vcore voltage minimum to 1.425Vcore. wake up dude and use that brain of yours.

so you need to make a new profile in ATI tool for it to start up with.

:slap: All I need is help, if you can offer it thanks, the rest is not necessary

[Bull Dog]

errr... dude. cat drivers set the voltage to 1.175V@500/600, and stock voltage is 1.425 2 650/775. Like i said above, if you want to OC you have to set vcore voltage minimum to 1.425Vcore. wake up dude and use that brain of yours.

so you need to make a new profile in ATI tool for it to start up with.

Are you sure that 1.425v is stock for the XTX's? Becuase that seems like an AWFULLY high jump over the stock 1.3v that my XT needs to run at 625MHz. And I can take the core up to 700 with just 1.35v.....

[Robendo]

I started to find max core and went down to eat, and when i came back I saw like 20 artifacts that ATITool didn't see. I aborted and my screen turned black... Rebooted my computer and it works fine.
ATITool saw the artifacts in 0.24, but not in b14...

Anyway, good work W1zzard!

[Jimbo Mahoney]

Can I make a request for more voltage on the core please?

Or is that the limit of the options in the actual hardware?

[BOSE]

Are you sure that 1.425v is stock for the XTX's? Becuase that seems like an AWFULLY high jump over the stock 1.3v that my XT needs to run at 625MHz. And I can take the core up to 700 with just 1.35v.....


Yes, im 20000% sure.

i even posted a topic a week ago as to how to find what is the stock voltage is of your vCore 1900 or 1800. Look around the forums and youll find it.

[ViperJohn]

Are you sure that 1.425v is stock for the XTX's? Becuase that seems like an AWFULLY high jump over the stock 1.3v that my XT needs to run at 625MHz. And I can take the core up to 700 with just 1.35v.....

A stock x1900XT or XTX cards 3D mode Vcore is 1.40 nominal. Just because your card will run 625Mhz at 1.30 doesn't mean they all will. ATI runs the Vcore higher than you would expect to allow OverDrive to automatically clock the cores up.

Viper

[Bull Dog]

:wtf: :confused:

1.4v is the nominal voltage? :eek: (looked at your thread BOSE, guess your right) :banghead:

I seem to have gotten a really good X1900XT sample. :twitch: :pimp:

[ViperJohn]

:wtf: :confused:

1.4v is the nominal voltage? :eek: (looked at your thread BOSE, guess your right) :banghead:

I seem to have gotten a really good X1900XT sample. :twitch: :pimp:

Metered on card yes.

Viper

[EastCoasthandle]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/X1900XTX%20HS/x1900xtxvoltage.jpg
W1Z,
Help me here I didn't see the mem volts rise at all. Although the core rose to 1.425 on this x1900xtx the mem remained 2.086 only flitching to 2.203 for a second or 2.
So does this mean that I use ATI to OC core 1.425 only and leave mem voltage alone(for example 720/830)? Or is ATI Tool mem timing a bit different?

[BOSE]

EastCoasthandle.


read what i have already said beffore, the answer is right there.

[EastCoasthandle]

EastCoasthandle.


read what i have already said beffore, the answer is right there.

good advise however I top off at 720/820
core 1.425

how high did you get?

[BOSE]

good advise however I top off at 720/820
core 1.425

how high did you get?

then you need to go to 1.450 and mem to 2.1. then youll go higher, but you need to set your fan to at least 70% speed.

i havent tried going past 730/830 yet.

remove CCC, and reinstall Cat drivers, youll get better picture quality and better FPS and or higher 3dmark.

[mark1977]

x1600pro keine temperatur auslesung

[Brama]

Can someone with a 1900 test with this atitool beta what happens going in S3 stand-by and resuming from it?

In my system a lot of artifacts or blank screen, probably after resuming it is applied the wrong clock.

Let me know, please.

Bye,

[sp1n]

I'm using the beta now, ATITool doesn't detect artifacts when they appear. The only time it does and downclocks is only when I flash my 6600LE to extreme 500/680 clocks and it's starting to detect ok after then.

[ViperJohn]

I'm using the beta now, ATITool doesn't detect artifacts when they appear. The only time it does and downclocks is only when I flash my 6600LE to extreme 500/680 clocks and it's starting to detect ok after then.


If you had read the thread you would know that anything past 25 Beta12A doesn't detect aartifacts when they appear. It has only been brought up about 30 times now lol.

Viper

[OneCool]

No..I think it was more like 31 times VJ :laugh:

[ViperJohn]

No..I think it was more like 31 times VJ :laugh:

You are probably closer than I lol!!!

Viper

[sp1n]

hehe, do you really think I would have read all 9 pages in a go? :P

will it be fixed in future betas?

[HousERaT]

hehe, do you really think I would have read all 9 pages in a go? :P

will it be fixed in future betas?
reading is fundamental..... it's mentioned less than 31 times but more than once that he's currently working on that also.

[hotrippr]

Yes I too am lazy and dont like to read every page so I will post my request anyway that probably has been already by someone else.

Wiz, will next version write volt reg temps to log? Would be nice considering the 1900 eat volts like mad.

[M Diddy]

Is Crossfire support going to be added in beta 15 or is it something we'll have to wait for???

[Wstinkbait]

I can understand no need for Overclock control of Crossfire slave as it follows the master. But dual fan speed and temp monitoring and the ability to send both cards temp readings to MBM or have them available for LCDC plug-in to read would be wonderful. As well as control of dual card not in crossfire, as in multi-monitor. Is this not possible? Like they use the same address line or something? I've noticed the question asked many times and is always ignored, as this one probably will be. So I’m guessing it can't be done on ATI cards.

[hotrippr]

I can understand no need for Overclock control of Crossfire slave as it follows the master.
Follows Master? Not according to ATIs FAQ#7
http://www.ati.com/technology/crossfire/faq.html
Sorry if I am misunderstanding your statement. Dont mean to be all over you but we should be clear here.:)

[ViperJohn]

I can understand no need for Overclock control of Crossfire slave as it follows the master. But dual fan speed and temp monitoring and the ability to send both cards temp readings to MBM or have them available for LCDC plug-in to read would be wonderful. As well as control of dual card not in crossfire, as in multi-monitor. Is this not possible? Like they use the same address line or something? I've noticed the question asked many times and is always ignored, as this one probably will be. So I’m guessing it can't be done on ATI cards.

That is NV SLI not ATI CF. nVidia SLI automatically clocks both cards the same. Cards in an ATI CrossFire can run clocked asynchronously. You have to volt set and clock each card individually by selecting it's device ID under the overclocking tab in ATItool unless the W1Z has made a mojor change.

Viper

[infrared]

Oh, so that's how it's done!

Hmm, would you be able to run 2 instances of ATITool, one for each device ID, to allow you to monitor the temperature of both at the same time?

1 other question. Now that crossfire doesn't require a bridge on some motherboards, does this mean you can get 2 cards, ie. pre-crossfire, and use them? Or maybe use a sapphire x800gto2 in crossfire?

[M Diddy]

Yeah, but I've noticed that if I shut down CCC and all it's associated services, and try to game with just ATI tool, the games are unplayable and jittery. I'm wondering if there something we're missing in ATT that CCC has. That's what I'm asking. Does ATT officially support Xfire?

As far as stinkbait's comment, I agree. I would love to have a setup like SLI where you can view both cards at one time.

And for clocking both cards in ATT, it's cake once you're used to it.

[ViperJohn]

Yeah, but I've noticed that if I shut down CCC and all it's associated services, and try to game with just ATI tool, the games are unplayable and jittery. I'm wondering if there something we're missing in ATT that CCC has. That's what I'm asking. Does ATT officially support Xfire?

As far as stinkbait's comment, I agree. I would love to have a setup like SLI where you can view both cards at one time.

And for clocking both cards in ATT, it's cake once you're used to it.

You have to increase the Vcore to 3D levels manually when using using ATItool to OC.

Viper

[M Diddy]

You have to increase the Vcore to 3D levels manually when using using ATItool to OC.

Viper

I do... 1.4 on both cores... It's still jittery as hell though....

[ViperJohn]

I do... 1.4 on both cores... It's still jittery as hell though....

Close ATItool completely and not let it minimize to the tray and see if that stops the jitters.

Viper

[AndyN]

W1zzard
I've got x1900xt. I'm using AtiTool and MotherBoardMonitor to monitor parameters of my computer.

x1900xt has three temperature sensors: GPU, PCB and Vregulators. And these three temperatures Atitool shows. But only two (GPU, PCB) can be send to MBM. Is it possible to add opportunity to send Vreg temperature to MBM via Atitool?
Regards
An

[Wstinkbait]

Follows Master? Not according to ATIs FAQ#7
http://www.ati.com/technology/crossfire/faq.html
Sorry if I am misunderstanding your statement. Dont mean to be all over you but we should be clear here.:)

Hmmm, I could have sworn I read reviews that stated the cards would synchronize to the slowest card when entering the CF mode. Can't find it now so you must be right. Still it further proves my point for the need to have both sets on controls on the same screen as in the NVIDIA mode as ViperJohn has stated. Why this useful tool for NVIDIA and not ATI. After all it is an "ATI" tool, Not "NVIDIA" tool. Yack on NVIDIA. There must be a reason but no one wants to address it or explain why.

[hotrippr]

Hmmm, I could have sworn I read reviews that stated the cards would synchronize to the slowest card when entering the CF mode.
Maybe you were thinking of the Pipes? that will be downgraded, Say if you had a 16pipe card and a 12pipe card they will both run at the lower 12pipes.

oops.

[ViperJohn]

Maybe you were thinking of the PCI-E speed? that will be downgraded, Say if you had a 16x card and a 12X card they will both run at the lower 12X on a true dual 16X ati-express3200 MB, and on an ati-express 200 they would both run at 8x(maybe 6x? not sure how that would work on the xpress 200, no matter anyway how everything now is 16X).

Oh Brother lol!!!

Viper

[hotrippr]

Ed.

[KennyT772]

actually the cross fire card would down clock and lock pipes in the x800 series. but with the introduction of the x1800's they all run pretty mucht he same speed so this was not needed and was tossed. it was mainly used so that if u had a x850 cf and a x800 pro they would both run at x800pro pipes and clocks.

[Lt_JWS]

hey guys, Im having trouble with my X1800TX, if i try to OC it past 625 core, atitool locks up and the PC reboots, i cant even touch my ram..... And from time to time while exiting a game i'll get mad artifacting, and thats with no OCing :( Temps never get over 60C, PSU is 550 watt 20a/18a dual rails any thoughts.......

Thanks,
Lt

[ISSA2000]

may have found bug in 14 beta

1900 xtx
4800 etc..

from time to time will boot u ati tools at startup-

no temp (and mem/core 3?/3? )
unload - load ok/.

using ati for 100% fan on + temp monitor to mbm 5/6 5 seconds


does not crash any more (vs 13-12) using 6.3 now.

and using cat 6.3 (not ati tool ) did not turn cat overclock off)(

and video card is not being overclocked) default)

[Bull Dog]

hey guys, Im having trouble with my X1800TX, if i try to OC it past 625 core, atitool locks up and the PC reboots, i cant even touch my ram..... And from time to time while exiting a game i'll get mad artifacting, and thats with no OCing :( Temps never get over 60C, PSU is 550 watt 20a/18a dual rails any thoughts.......

Thanks,
Lt

Have you tried raising the vCore to whatever its nominal value is? (1.4v?)

[Lt_JWS]

yeah it will let me go up to 675 with 1.325vgpu but the ram is my problem i think as soon as i go over 750 it locks up......

[ViperJohn]

yeah it will let me go up to 675 with 1.325vgpu but the ram is my problem i think as soon as i go over 750 it locks up......

750 memory on an x1800XT OC'ed with ATItool is very good. Rememebr ATItool doesn't loosen the hell out of the memory timings like ATI's OverClocker.exe does. You will get a lot higher memory clocks with OC.exe but the card will actually be slower with the looser memory timings.

Viper

[Lt_JWS]

i thought that 750 was the stock "3D" setting for the X1800XT's???

[ViperJohn]

i thought that 750 was the stock "3D" setting for the X1800XT's???

You are correct. I was writing XT and thinking XL lol.

John

[Valus]

I wouldn't really bother OC'ing the X1800's they all have flaws(except the revised version's which are pretty hard to find) thats why they pushed the X1900's out so fast.

unless you have a revised version.

Disgruntled X1800XT(wish they would compensate me with a trade for a X1900XTX{of course I would pay the diff} owner here :mad:

[Bull Dog]

Flaws? I don't think so.....unless it won't run at 625/750 stable with the stock cooler, then there is nothing "wrong" with it.

[Valus]

Flaws? I don't think so.....unless it won't run at 625/750 stable with the stock cooler, then there is nothing "wrong" with it.


actualy that is part of the problem, the wafer boards and some of the circuts they used where flawed from the get go, so they had to revise and design the X1800's over again to correct this, this is Also fixed in the X1900's because they completly redesigned the X1900's from teh ground up to make sure it wouldn't happen again thats why the X1900's came out so soon.

Now they did 3+ diff rev.
the R520 CHip was rvised 3-6 times during the launch A14, A15, A23 and some others
and the wafer itself was upgraded if i remmeber correctly from i belive 8 layers to 9 layers you'll have to look it up if you wnat exact spec's on it.

Some of the problems where Electric related and heat related. The wafers couldn't handle the load runing thru them, also the cores would overheat because of this not to mention cards would just stop working after awhile.

It was in a press release from ATI and all over the net months ago. lot of net reviews covered it.

[ViperJohn]

actualy that is part of the problem, the wafer boards and some of the circuts they used where flawed from the get go, so they had to revise and design the X1800's over again to correct this, this is Also fixed in the X1900's because they completly redesigned the X1900's from teh ground up to make sure it wouldn't happen again thats why the X1900's came out so soon.

Now they did 3+ diff rev.
the R520 CHip was rvised 3-6 times during the launch A14, A15, A23 and some others
and the wafer itself was upgraded if i remmeber correctly from i belive 8 layers to 9 layers you'll have to look it up if you wnat exact spec's on it.

Some of the problems where Electric related and heat related. The wafers couldn't handle the load runing thru them, also the cores would overheat because of this not to mention cards would just stop working after awhile.

It was in a press release from ATI and all over the net months ago. lot of net reviews covered it.


Dang how one person can get the this SO screwed up is beyond me lol. The R520 was taped out 3 times due to a persistant internal current leakage that cause the cores to speed bin yield poorly. The turn out to be a single gate in the core that should not have been there at all from the gitgo. Once that was found and removed the speed bin yieds were right where they should be. It is true many early XL cards got the poor speed bin cores but the cores met the core speed specs for XL's. You have to buy VERY early to get an XL with those early cores.

The X1900's did not "come out so soon". In fact they were late too. What made it seem like they were rushed out was because the x1800's were delayed 4 months due to the core yield problem.

Viper

[Valus]

The X1900's did not "come out so soon". In fact they were late too. What made it seem like they were rushed out was because the x1800's were delayed 4 months due to the core yield problem.

Viper

the X1900's don't even use the R520 chip, they use the R580, as for the X1800's being delayed not realy they where just hard to get I had mine the day ATI announced the Sale of it back in November.

And a release of a brand new chip model a few months after another one comes out tells you something when it was never announced before.

(now if your reffering to manufacture errors that's always been a problem, the same happen to the X800-X850XT PE, they couldn't get them stable enough. by the time they where stable and able to get them out to sell it was laready time for a new card.)

the release of the X1800's with the R520 chip then a few months Later they released a brand new Board and layout on a brand newchipset with the R580.

They also halted the X1800's with the 1gig Ram on-board due to these flaws and felt the need to push them onto the R580's same goes with the notebooks, they are most likley going to wait and use the R580 for mainstream on notebooks instead of the R520 due to the issues with the R520, and AT REALEASE they put out 3 rev.s R520 chips during launch along with different wafer types not during internal tetsing.

The X1800XL was the 1st using R520 rev.14 and found to have issues so when it came to the X1800 they tried the R520 rev.14 but still had issues, later on during sales they switched out the new models with the R520 rev.15 then again during sale sthey swicthed to the R520 rev. 23, and during these chip rev they also fixed the wafer issues by adding some more layers along with some transitor issues that where causing unstable stock clock speeds.

Hence what i said early you'll only have these problems if yoru using an older .rev and still using the old wafer setup.

[Vrgn86]

W1zzard,
Do you have plans for ATITool to run with Vista?

[ViperJohn]

the X1900's don't even use the R520 chip, they use the R580, as for them being delayed not realy they where just hard to get I had mine the day ATI announced the Sale of it back in November.

(now if your reffering to manufacture errors that's always been a problem, the same happen to the X800-X850XT PE, they couldn't get them stable enough. by the time they where stable and able to get them out to sell it was laready time for a new card.)

the release of the X1800's with the R520 chip then a few months Later they released a brand new Board and layout on a brand newchipset with the R580.

They also halted the X1800's with the 1gig Ram on-board due to these flaws and felt the need to push them onto the R580's same goes with the notebooks, they are most likley going to wait and use the R580 for mainstream on notebooks instead of the R520 due to the issues with the R520, and AT REALEASE they put out 3 rev.s R520 chips during launch along with different wafer types not during internal tetsing.

The X1800XL was the 1st using R520 rev.14 and found to have issues so when it came to the X1800 they tried the R520 rev.14 but still had issues, later on during sales they switched out the new models with the R520 rev.15 then again during sale sthey swicthed to the R520 rev. 23, and during these chip rev they also fixed the wafer issues by adding some more layers along with some transitor issues that where causing unstable stock clock speeds.

Hence what i said early you'll only have these problems if yoru using an older .rev and still using the old wafer setup.

Who said the x1900's used the R520 chip??? You were talking about x1800's not clocking (which is pure BS) which use the R520 chip. Anything from 14FG's on was the on final spin that went into production. Getting the 14FG cored XL's to clock well over 700 on air has been no problem at all. The only change that effected the speed bin yields was the dropping of the one n-gate that didn't belong from the gitgo. The attempt to use the extra layer (2nd spin) failed early on because the errant gate had not been found yet. The actual fix was extremely simple. Finding it in the few hundred million devices in the masks was the problem.

The plans for the 1Mb "blue sky" versions were dropped due very early due to no memory chip availability, cost and the simple lack of need at this time (notice there are no 1Mb 1900's or 7900's now either ).

The R420 (x800 AGP cards) had memory controller issues that prevented good OC ability on most cards but not at the stock 560 XT-PE memory clock. The lack of availability was Dell and other OEM's leveraged the supply of top speed bin R420 cores for their OEM cards before the cards were even released. x800XT-PE were really not hard to come by (at a price) unless you wanted a BbATI. Then you had a problem and pretty much no card. The R420 cards also had excess Vcore PS droop issues and most had a problem with early on set on dynamic Vcore over current limiting but those only reared there head on volt modded cards and were easy to deal with using advanced Vmod techniques.

X850's never had problem one with the early cards being some of the best to work with for modding.

Viper

[Valus]

Who said the x1900's used the R520 chip??? You were talking about x1800's not clocking (which is pure BS) which use the R520 chip. Anything from 14FG's on was the on final spin that went into production. Getting the 14FG cored XL's to clock well over 700 on air has been no problem at all. The only change that effected the speed bin yields was the dropping of the one n-gate that didn't belong from the gitgo. The attempt to use the extra layer (2nd spin) failed early on because the errant gate had not been found yet. The actual fix was extremely simple. Finding it in the few hundred million devices in the masks was the problem.

The plans for the 1Mb "blue sky" versions were dropped due very early due to no memory chip availability, cost and the simple lack of need at this time (notice there are no 1Mb 1900's or 7900's now either ).

The R420 (x800 AGP cards) had memory controller issues that prevented good OC ability on most cards but not at the stock 560 XT-PE memory clock. The lack of availability was Dell and other OEM's leveraged the supply of top speed bin R420 cores for their OEM cards before the cards were even released. x800XT-PE were really not hard to come by (at a price) unless you wanted a BbATI. Then you had a problem and pretty much no card. The R420 cards also had excess Vcore PS droop issues and most had a problem with early on set on dynamic Vcore over current limiting but those only reared there head on volt modded cards and were easy to deal with using advanced Vmod techniques.

X850's never had problem one with the early cards being some of the best to work with for modding.

Viper

Again like i Said b4 the early rev had the problems I never said ever Version of the Cards, and the early manufacturing problems

it wasn't leaking issues which was a misconception among the public so i don't know where you heard all of that i can understand the confusion because a lot of people didn't read the reports or were mis informed or talked about it being that in other forums, "According to public reports ATI noticed that as late as July, issues occurred that prevented the R520 core being clocked close to its target speeds, which is consistent with leakage issues. Curiously, the issue did not occur across all their 90nm products." hence it wasn't a leaking issue

(ATI was open about talking about the issue they faced bringing up R520, describing the issue in such detail that only Electronic Engineers are likely to understand, their primary issue "when trying to track it down was that it wasn't a consistent failure - it was almost random in its appearance, causing boards to fail in different cases at different times, the only consistent element being that it occurs at high clockspeeds" Once the issue was actually traced, after nearly 6 months of attacking numerous points where they felt the problems could have occurred, it took them less than an hour to resolve in the design, requiring only a contact and metal change, and once back from the fab with the fix in place.) hence not leaking

now i'm not sure about all the other stuff you said because i'm not that technical in regards to vid cards and the inner workings.

now regarding the 1Gigers, it will still most likely go into production for the cad users and such, like i said before the reason why it didn't go was because they will be putting them into the new R580 most likley but thats not going to happen right away. thats why their not out yet. and samsung is one of the mem vendors for it just so you know. and the comment about the 7900's they just came out your jumping the gun again, that would be dumb of any company to come out with something that early. wait awhile

Like the priceing of the X1800's and lower are going to drop in price because the X1900's are the new thing

now also regarding the X800 series thats somewhat true about the mem controller but again your missing the whole picture.

Bottom line is anyone who has an old rev. card well have a hell of a time OC'ing.

now for the sanity of this to not go off topic anymore lets just leave it, again i'll say it the Old Rev.s are the ones you will have problems with not the new ones so theres no reaosn for this to keep going.

[Bull Dog]

Dang how one person can get the this SO screwed up is beyond me lol.

Viper

QFT!

[funkflix]

Someone here, who is running ATITool version > 0.23 with a X8XX and Windows 2000 Prof.? I can't get working any newer version then 0.23 on my pc, it always works after the first install, but when i reboot it can not start. Maybe someone have a fix for this "bug"? :)

And with the 0.23 i can not set my timings anymore.. really confused!

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5430/hmm0bk.jpg

With the new beta it works, until i reboot..

[ViperJohn]

Again like i Said b4 the early rev had the problems I never said ever Version of the Cards, and the early manufacturing problems

it wasn't leaking issues which was a misconception among the public so i don't know where you heard all of that i can understand the confusion because a lot of people didn't read the reports or were mis informed or talked about it being that in other forums, "According to public reports ATI noticed that as late as July, issues occurred that prevented the R520 core being clocked close to its target speeds, which is consistent with leakage issues. Curiously, the issue did not occur across all their 90nm products." hence it wasn't a leaking issue

(ATI was open about talking about the issue they faced bringing up R520, describing the issue in such detail that only Electronic Engineers are likely to understand, their primary issue "when trying to track it down was that it wasn't a consistent failure - it was almost random in its appearance, causing boards to fail in different cases at different times, the only consistent element being that it occurs at high clockspeeds" Once the issue was actually traced, after nearly 6 months of attacking numerous points where they felt the problems could have occurred, it took them less than an hour to resolve in the design, requiring only a contact and metal change, and once back from the fab with the fix in place.) hence not leaking

now i'm not sure about all the other stuff you said because i'm not that technical in regards to vid cards and the inner workings.

now regarding the 1Gigers, it will still most likely go into production for the cad users and such, like i said before the reason why it didn't go was because they will be putting them into the new R580 most likley but thats not going to happen right away. thats why their not out yet. and samsung is one of the mem vendors for it just so you know. and the comment about the 7900's they just came out your jumping the gun again, that would be dumb of any company to come out with something that early. wait awhile

Like the priceing of the X1800's and lower are going to drop in price because the X1900's are the new thing

now also regarding the X800 series thats somewhat true about the mem controller but again your missing the whole picture.

Bottom line is anyone who has an old rev. card well have a hell of a time OC'ing.

now for the sanity of this to not go off topic anymore lets just leave it, again i'll say it the Old Rev.s are the ones you will have problems with not the new ones so theres no reaosn for this to keep going.

Lets put it this way. I do not get my info from the Inquirer or Forums. The problem was an error in one of the mask that was etching n-gate transistor onto the dies that was not supposed to be there from the start. It was simple error. When present it caused high internal current leakage and localized heating which kept the cores from clocking. It was present on ALL dies until the error ws found and removed from the FAB masks which removed it from the dies. The effects from the error varied from core to core with some clocking okay but the overall speed bin yields were dismally far below what what needed to go into production. Some very early XL cards got some the defective dies when those dies could run XL speeds but they were first lot cards and gone in a few days. They will mostly core OC like crap if you run into them but that is very unlikely. They are vastly out numbered by cards with corrected cores.

You are correct in that it took almost no time to correct at the drawing level with about 10 seconds worth of keystrokes. It took a bit longer to make new FAB masks. What took all the time (months) was just finding the the simple drawing error in the 100's of millions of places to look. It didn't help that the ASIC engineers were looking for something much bigger either and not something so dang simple. We engineers tend have that mind set and to that with dull regularity lol!!!

Samsung is the memory chip vendor of choice for the high density DDR3 chips. The main reason you are not seeing 1Mb cards is the chips for them are not in production yet at Sammy. Another is there is simply no need for them yet. Down the road will be cost will be the limiting factor as you will pay dearly for that higher density.

You said it best with this "i'm not that technical in regards to vid cards and the inner workings" and it shows.

Viper

[Astennu]

I'm having some problems with Cat 6.3 A A8R32-MVP Board and a X1900 XT card.

I used both the new beta 14 and beta 13. Both dont detect the card well. Is says clocks are 0 for the core and 324 for the memory. Got the same readyouts in 3Dmark. I reinstalled the driver but that did not help.

Never had problems with beta 13 and cat 6.2/6.3 on my old A8R. Douse anyone of u know what i'm doing wrong ?

[M Diddy]

Ok guys... Wierd one here....

For some reason, I can't save any of my default settings to ATITool. I can OC both cards just fine. Here's the process:

1. Pick the master card, set fan speed, set voltages with saved OC profile, set clocks with saved OC profile.

2. Pick the XTX, set fan, set voltages with OC profile, set clocks with OC profile.

This works just fine for setting the clocks. When I want to go back to stock after gaming though, I need to turns the clocks down on both cards first, (I do this by loading the default profile) and then have to manually go into both cards' voltage settings and set the volts back to stock 2D speeds with the sliders. I can't load the deafult voltage profile for some reason. Makes it a real PITA setting the colcks back to 2D.

I would love it if I could just come into ATT, pick an OC profile that clocks BOTH cards with the settings I pick, and then allows me to switch back to 2D defaults on BOTH cards just by picking the default profile. Is this poissible??

[sadako1]

I've had some issues with beta 14 and had issues with 13 too, so am back to 12b, the most stable build so far on my Sapphire 1800XT 512. It's the version I've had most success at OCing with too.

Beta 14 has the bad habit of crashing whenever I try to start a 3D application, especially a high-performance requiring application like FEAR. The screen either fixes blank or goes into blue and black striations and there's no going back from it - CTRL, Alt, Del fails, the windows button does nothing so a manual restart is necessary. The thing doesn't ever recover itself. Everything runs nicely (just not so fast or smooth) when I've got ATIT off.

The max clock function also just keeps going until my machine freezes/crashes and the clock speeds are much lower at this point than with 12b, all at the same voltages (VGPU 1.425, MVDDC 2.119, MVDDQ 2.116 - maximum stable voltages so far found at temps <70).

Also, Beta 14 has problems finding accurate core temperatures, regularly saying the temp's at 0 or 1, which I know it isn't ;) (if only!)

Sorry this is all so late - been busy and gaming/OCing's been the last thing on my mind just now - all of this may actually have been covered, too, but 13+ pages is a lot to look through!

I guess maybe your concentrating on the 1900 and NV stuff, which is cool, but it's a shame for me to have to take a step back to an earlier build! I wonder if anyone else has these same issues?

*Musing out loud* I wonder when the next version's going to be out?

[Wizard17]

How about adding a simple spin-dial which let's you choose the "return from 3D" delay time before volts and clocks get switched back to another profile using 3D detection? I've found that many times the system locks coming back out of a game because switches still go too quick? ATI Overdrive does it seemingly slower. A simple dial would allow users to change the delay to a suitable time for their particular system. Adding an additional line in the graph which will show the highest temp. ever reached since start of program would be very nice, say, a red line for max. temp, a blue line for avg. temp. and the existing green one for current temp. This would make it unnecessary to use the logfile, which is not too much help in finding your max. temp. in the first place and actually is quite annoying writing temps. every second, never putting your HDs to rest... :-)

I'm aware that adding memory-timing options is too big of a concern yet (if possible at all), since loosening timings won't give you much better performance, but it certainly would allow you to reach "reasonable" performance-levels at a "reasonable" temp. at max. load, preventing having to use 100% fan all the time, which is really annoying... Let me try to explain:

I've found I can reach 690 without adding VCore while mem. set to 600...
Same I cannot do while mem. set to 800! I then need VCore to reach 690 (which is no real overclocking yet at all even)...
In other words, loosening timings would allow you to reach better core-clocks while needing less VCore, thus less heat, thus better overall performance. The performance-droop you get from loosening timings I think can easily be offset by the gained core-clock speed at lower VCore, making the whole thing a better performing video-card! This is also simply how ATI is doing the Overdrive themselfs...
Seems the core has problems with the mem. set too high on too tight timings, causing it to lock up much more frequent than it would on loosened mem. timings...
Please correct me if I'm wrong...

[Super XP]

I've seen setups where guys have OC'ed there memory for the X1900XT & XTX @ 900MHz (1800MHz) but with relaxed timings. They did not see much of a gain in performance, but if you think the GPU will benefit, then that is a different story.

I wonder if there is a way to find out exactly how much voltage is required to run both GPU & GDDR3 in ATI's stock setup? when in 3D Mode from the factory?

If there could be a way to have ATI Tool auto adjust the voltages on the fly as you change clock speeds. That would be an innovation in itself :)

[Wizard17]

I do not consider that real OCing, you know...
The BJ11 mem. is rated to run at 800/900 Mhz from scratch, using no more than 2.1 volts, BUT having it's latency set at CL=11... It's my guess ATI is using lower latencies than that to obtain better performance at lower freq., since they're not even running it at normal spec. by default. Only with Overdrive enabled is it running at 800 Mhz which it can do on lower latency too, ofcourse, but needing overvoltage since you're OCing it then... I have a hunch that when Overdrive gets enabled for 800 Mhz, latencies get reduced to that CL=11, thereby needing less Vcore on your GPU than when running with OCed mem.
Simply leave your mem. set at stock, and only OC your core, and you'll see you'll need less VCore than doing the same with mem. set to 800 Mhz. Problem here is that ATITool does not allow you to change mem. latencies. It would allow you to obtain higher clocks, yes, but not much better performance, but this is talking mem. For the core, it's different, since it'll be more stable running with non-OCed mem. at lower latency than running with OCed mem. with tighter timings on overvoltage to reach same "normal" 800 Mhz. as is until now the only way you can achieve it using ATITool...
My point is actually very simple, and not aimed for better OCing or performance, but for a better overall performance (incl. mostly fan-noise)...
Adjusting latencies would enable you to run mem. at a stock setting of 800 Mhz. with no overvoltage, making your core more stable at any OC with less VCore needed, meaning less fan-noise since temps. will be lower too...
My guess is that ATI Overdrive needs around 1.4V core and the default 2.086v mem., and this is simply based on the amount of heat produced (dictated by VCore) when loaded 100% with ATITool... I cannot achieve the same results with ATITool alone. I've even tried "capturing" ATI Overdrives settings-switch by killing all ATI-processes right after leaving a game so it doesn't get a chance to get set back to 2D-settings, but not very successfull. After applying this trick though, I can achieve more stable results like ATI Overdrive, with the mem., all of a sudden needing no overvoltage to run stable at 800 Mhz. on mem., and needing only 1.4 instead of 1.45 VCore to run the core at 700. I think this proves my theory... Problem is that those settings than (ofcourse) don't work anymore after a reboot...
So, reducing mem. latencies can still have it's purpose, not being added performance, but added overall stability at lower max. temps.

[Wizard17]

My guess about ATI Overdrive settings were nearly correct seems. With Systool I've been able to detect the changes made by Overdrive except for the mem. latency. Turns out that at max. Overdrive (688.5 core/792 mem.), it raises VCore to 1.425 and actually LOWERS MVDDC to 1.785 and leaves MVDDQ set at default 2.086! This even more so proves it lowers mem. latencies because I don't think I'll be able to do the same using ATITool. I'l ltry though, just for fun...

[Wizard17]

You said it best with this "i'm not that technical in regards to vid cards and the inner workings" and it shows.
Viper

Well, this sentence makes me wonder then if you have any idea or knowledge around the VDDCI-setting, what it's for, which values make sense to set or not, etc.?

[Super XP]

How did you check the Volts for your X1900XTX?

also your PCIex@120 may decrease your chance in getting a better OC & stability problems may occure?

[Wizard17]

How did you check the Volts for your X1900XTX?

also your PCIex@120 may decrease your chance in getting a better OC & stability problems may occure?

Didn't I just say how? Using Systool from this same website... It logs temps. and volts of the card, and simply then using CCC Overdrive and starting and quiting a game got me the info logged to find out...

I'm aware of OCed PCIex messing things up, so when I attempt to OC, I first do so having it set to 100 on a stock system ofcourse... When succesfull, i next try on the OCed version of my system... ;-) OCed at 120 doesn't give me any stability probs though...

[ViperJohn]

Well, this sentence makes me wonder then if you have any idea or knowledge around the VDDCI-setting, what it's for, which values make sense to set or not, etc.?

I can't find any information or white papers referencing what VddCI is applied too. I suspect it may have something to do with the memory controllers (possibly I/O buffers) but that is pure speculation.

Viper

[EastCoasthandle]

Can anyone explain the use of
MVDDC
MVDDQ
VDDCI

Can you give an example of using it to oc an x1900xtx to 725Core 840Memory.
I've been told to keep MVDDC & MVDDQ at the same Voltage. I've tested this and found that if I set the MVDDQ higher then MVDDC I will lock up. Vise Versa slower performance in 3dMark06.
What the heck does VDDCI do anyway?

[ViperJohn]

Can anyone explain the use of
MVDDC
MVDDQ
VDDCI

Can you give an example of using it to oc an x1900xtx to 725Core 840Memory.
I've been told to keep MVDDC & MVDDQ at the same Voltage. I've tested this and found that if I set the MVDDQ higher then MVDDC I will lock up. Vise Versa slower performance in 3dMark06.
What the heck does VDDCI do anyway?

Gees is that Vdd and Vddq the same crap still being thrown around the web lol. It is really whatever the card wants!

Vdd is the core power of the memory chips and is applied to the memory address caps. Vddq powers the I/O buffers. Generally running more that the minimum Vddq you can get away with is pointless. You are just increasing chip heat needlessly and that hurts the OC. Always work with Vdd first and see what you can get. When you seem to have hit the wall dial in a little more Vddq and see if that bumps you up.

There are rare cases where vddq has to be run a lot higher that Vdd to get the cards to OC. The x800 AGP cards were a classic example of that. It was a design quirk of the cores memory controllers, the PCB layout and the memory chips in combination with each other.

Viper

[RyderOCZ]

Gees is that Vdd and Vddq the same crap still being thrown around the web lol. It is really whatever the card wants!

Vdd is the core power of the memory chips and is applied to the memory address caps. Vddq power the I/O buffers. Generally running more that the minimum Vddq you can get away with is pointless. You are just increasing chip heat needlessly and that hurts the OC. Always work with Vdd first and see what you can get. When you seem to have hit the wall dial in a little Vddq and see if that bumps you up.

The are rare cases where vddq has to be trun a lot higher that Vdd to get the cards to OC. The x800 AGP cards were a classic example of that. It was a design quirk of the cores memory controllers, the PCB layout and the memory chips in combination with each other.

ViperBeautiful....I haven't looked really hard...but that is just the explanation I needed. :toast: :cool: :rockout:

[EastCoasthandle]

Gees is that Vdd and Vddq the same crap still being thrown around the web lol. It is really whatever the card wants!

Vdd is the core power of the memory chips and is applied to the memory address caps. Vddq powers the I/O buffers. Generally running more that the minimum Vddq you can get away with is pointless. You are just increasing chip heat needlessly and that hurts the OC. Always work with Vdd first and see what you can get. When you seem to have hit the wall dial in a little more Vddq and see if that bumps you up.

There are rare cases where vddq has to be run a lot higher that Vdd to get the cards to OC. The x800 AGP cards were a classic example of that. It was a design quirk of the cores memory controllers, the PCB layout and the memory chips in combination with each other.

Viper

ok, could you translate that in terms that ATI TOOL us it.

For example:
MVDDC
MVDDQ
VDDCI

For clarity...as I don't see a VDD option in ATI Tool

[ViperJohn]

ok, could you translate that in terms that ATI TOOL us it.

For example:
MVDDC
MVDDQ
VDDCI

For clarity...as I don't see a VDD option in ATI Tool

MVDDC = Memory Vdd
MVDDQ = Memory Vddq
VDDCI = Something with the core lol.

Viper

[Cpuroast]

Hi,

Seems like Ati Tool is missing something as simple as Fahrenheit Temp Display.

Thanks.

[EastCoasthandle]

Hi,

Seems like Ati Tool is missing something as simple as Fahrenheit Temp Display.

Thanks.
it would be nice to have ATI Tool show multi grids of gpu tem, vreg temp, PCB tem all without having to click on anything.

[Urlyin]

if you use Systool .. that info is displayed in the systray

[Super XP]

I just foundout that using ATI Tool makes my X1900XT unstable & when playing games like F.E.A.R, Dungeon Seige 2, Battle for Middle Earth 2 or even Quake 4, I get artifacts then after after a little while, I get an error message.

Now I am only using ATI's Overdrive. And the only thing I am using ATI Tool 0.25 Beta 14 for is for FAN Control. That is it.

So, when I un-instal the ATI Tool, the games run super fine with no problems & score higher in 3D Mark 01, 03, 05 & 06.

I wonder why I am having this problem. I really would like to control the Fan so that my card won't get too hot. I like to keep it at around 60C or so on full load.

I already RMA's my first X1900XT, but now I realize that the first card was not the problem.

OS I am using is Windows XP MCE 2005 with full updates. And I am dual booting with Windows XP x64 with full updates.

Thanks.

[EastCoasthandle]

Hey W1Z,

Is the VDDCI used in ATI TOOL some sort of voltage gatekeeper for MVDDQ, MVDDC and VGPU voltage setting?

Also,
W1Z, is there a way you can allow the 3d detection to load of voltage settings as well as core mem settings all through the use of 3D detection? Unless I am doing something wrong I don't notice this yet, only the core/mem.

[EastCoasthandle]

anybody know??

[Wizard17]

Hey W1Z,

Is the VDDCI used in ATI TOOL some sort of voltage gatekeeper for MVDDQ, MVDDC and VGPU voltage setting?

Also,
W1Z, is there a way you can allow the 3d detection to load of voltage settings as well as core mem settings all through the use of 3D detection? Unless I am doing something wrong I don't notice this yet, only the core/mem.

Like anyone else, can't tell you anything usefull about VDDCI... There's no info anywhere seems...

About your 3D detection question:
The 3D detection allows you to switch profiles upon detection of 3D, and switch back to a different profile upon exiting 3D... Since you can save voltages, fan settings, Gamma control and more with each profile, enabling 3D detection will load the profile AND ALL THESE settings IF you saved them to that profile...

[Wizard17]

I just foundout that using ATI Tool makes my X1900XT unstable & when playing games like F.E.A.R, Dungeon Seige 2, Battle for Middle Earth 2 or even Quake 4, I get artifacts then after after a little while, I get an error message....
...OS I am using is Windows XP MCE 2005 with full updates. And I am dual booting with Windows XP x64 with full updates.

Thanks.

ATITool and ATI's own Overdrive do not work well together... ATI's Overdrive will loosen up your memories timings when going 3D clock-speeds, while ATITool does not. As such, same speeds in ATITool will be much faster, provided your card can handle it. If you're getting artifacts and lockups at same speeds with ATITool while everything's fine with ATI Overdrive, it means your memory cannot handle the clock-speed with the "left tight" timings. You can lower the mem. clock-speed with ATITool or try to get it stable adding MVDDC voltage. Just remember that for the memory 800Mhz with ATI Overdrive is much slower (because of loosened timings) than 800 Mhz with ATITool. Problem is just, many cards can't do 800 Mhz on the normally set tight timings without OCing it by applying overvoltage.
Also, ATI Overdrive let's the card easily heat up till some 85-90c under heavy load. As long as you don't overclock the core, this doesn't really seem to be any problem. Ofcourse, any chip kept cool well is safer and better, but I find it extremely annoying having the fan 100% which is alot of noise. Trying to keep the core around 60c is really not easy, even on stock settings, unless you let the fan go 100%...
The more important temp. to watch and gaurd I've found, is the environment-temp. This is the temp. "inside" the cooling block around the GPU, and you can see it as the temp. for the mem. chips. Anywhere above 60c is bad news for your mem. chips and will get you unstable performance quite easily. Making sure you've got superb case-ventilation and maybe even a big fan taking "fresh" outside air blowing it directly into the cards "air intake" will make sure this temp. doesn't get anywhere near 60c, and your mem. will be much more stable at any clock-speed. I've found a fan blowing at around 2500 RPM. to match with the cards own fan around 40% to work best for matching speed, creating a steady but always moving "fresh" supply of air going through it. This really works extremely well with normal stock settings. Creating a steady airflow through the card works better than "chilling" the card with a high-speed fan, just as you would with the case itself... "Chilling" is needed when a sudden cooldown is needed because of a sudden heat-increase from a sudden heavy load for example. I simply tied the fan to the CPU-speed regulator, so if the CPU gets something heavy to do (like a game), the cards "intake" fan will speed up accordingly, and with ATITool, the switch to 3D loads a 3D-profile with a "nominal" fan-setting of 40%, creating my steady airflow. Then when the card heats up from heavy load, the fan simply speeds up to get rid of the extra heat quickly (chilling). Point is, the environment never really considerably heats up like this, and that gives pretty stable results, even the core reaches 90c.

[red]

Hi people.
I don't hide the fact that I am completly new to this type of thing, so please bear with me when I don't seem to understand anything!
I have a RADEON 9000 Series AGP (0x4966) 64mb grahics card. An amazing card, I can play games such as Half Life 2 without problem. BUT, I now want to play The Elder Scrolls IV : Oblivion. I am guessing that my card wont be able to cope. So I decided to try and sort it out.
I want to use the overclocking tool, but because I dont know anything about such things, I was wondering if someone could walk me through it. Also please tell me what I would need, such as any new fans? I have only changed 1 thing inside my case, and that is adding more RAM. There isn't really any space for a new fan, so I am hoping it won't be needed!

EDIT

Is there any program that I can download to optimize my computer performance? I have looked it up on google, but I am always very weary of new programs on my computer

Thanks!

[Tom2110]

System is:

Opteron 170 @ 2700 MHz
Asus A8R32 MVP Deluxe
2GB G Skill
2x x1900xt at Crossfire

I have the problem ATI Tool only can clock the cards at the first time who i have installed the programm. When i restart the pc and i make the 3D Mark bench i have only the performance of one card!
Whith one card and no crossfire mode the settings are right.

In crossfire mode no chance to clock the cards! I have try it with ati tool and then with ati original overdrive tool. with overdrive tool i can try every frequenz but all is the same!!

Can anyone help me?

[greekgeek]

hello all, been using the tool for a while. Picked up a ati x1600 agp 512. But when I use the find max mem, it just constantly gets artifact after artifact and then glitches visiual and freezes up. Im thinking its maybe the card but wanted to ask others opinion.

[EastCoasthandle]

hello all, been using the tool for a while. Picked up a ati x1600 agp 512. But when I use the find max mem, it just constantly gets artifact after artifact and then glitches visiual and freezes up. Im thinking its maybe the card but wanted to ask others opinion.
I don't use it. I think it still needs to be fixed.

[Mitsuko Aninikkou]

Okay I'm having a really strange problem with this program. When I first tried it, everything worked fine; I used it to find my max core OC and it went to 580 MHz, found a tiny artifact, and eventually stepped down all the way to 560, every time because of finding a single, tiny artifact; this is fine because it doesn't find (colour) -any- when the speed is lower, so they're definitely due to the overclock. I used it to find my max mem OC which also worked fine, and then changed something in the nVidia drivers and now it won't restart until it finds like 30 artifacts, even though the slider is all the way to the left! I've tried everything from putting the settings back the way they were to reinstalling both the drivers -and- ATITool, but nothing helps; ATITool -finds- the artifacts, sure enough, or it wouldn't colour them yellow... but it doesn't do anything about them! Again, at normal core clock I don't get -any- artifacts, so I definitely want it to restart the counter at a lower clock speed at any sign of them. And again, it worked fine before.

Here's some system specs:
ASUS N6600GT AGP 8x with 128 MB DDR3-RAM
ASRock 939Dual-SATA2
AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ (OCed to a stable 2500 MHz)
Creative X-Fi Elite Pro

[ramik]

So, what about temperature reading on X1600 Pro PCI-e edition? i cannot find where ATITool show temp for that card.

Any Ideas? does the card hardware has the temperature monitoring capability?

[sam375]

Ive got an X1900XT in the mail that I plan to put under watercooling.

Rest of my specs:
Opteron 170
2GB RAM
DFI Infinity SLi
Antec NEO HE 550W PSU

Ive been reading through the thread and Im really confused:

Does ATi Tool allow you to change voltages via software on the X1900XT? If so, has anyone verified with a voltmeter that it is really setting the voltage? Also, are there any other programs that allow you to change voltages on the X1900XT through software?

Thanks, g'day mates.

[Concorde Rules]

Ive got an X1900XT in the mail that I plan to put under watercooling.

Rest of my specs:
Opteron 170
2GB RAM
DFI Infinity SLi
Antec NEO HE 550W PSU

Ive been reading through the thread and Im really confused:

Does ATi Tool allow you to change voltages via software on the X1900XT? If so, has anyone verified with a voltmeter that it is really setting the voltage? Also, are there any other programs that allow you to change voltages on the X1900XT through software?

Thanks, g'day mates.


ATi Tool and overclocker.exe does infact change voltages, and it works because stable clocks increase.

I would like to have a setting that allows us to change the time it applies voltages then clocks, cos atm its still too quick!!! :(

The core/mem clocks discussion is interesting, as I can reach nearly 900mhz with 2.1V with core at 500mhz, yet when I raise core to near 625 it falls over at 1.2V, and it starts needing 1.4V :o

Conc

[Bull Dog]

1.4v is the Nominal core voltage of the R580 at full speed.

[Wizard17]

1.4v is the Nominal core voltage of the R580 at full speed.

Seems like there's a difference in "nominal" core-voltage between XT and XTXs then.
ATI Catalyst sets mine to 1.425v as default 3D-corevoltage. Since an XT runs slower as default in 3D, default-core voltage for an XT could be 1.4v then? Anyway, I think both are simply the same thing, just the XTXs beeing the better samples, and that's why they ship with higher default clock-speeds in 3D. What I just don't like is the idea that actually it seems we're buying cards that get overclocked from factory to reach the speeds that get advertised. It allows us people much less headroom to OC the card, since it is being moderately OCed already. This does not mean I do believe we're reaching the max. of the core and mem. here yet near the "stock" 3D-speeds, but it looks like the "Stock" 3D-speeds are near the max. you can get with the supplied cooling-solution in a reasonable manner, ie. not having 100% fan-speed all the time, which is ear-deafening... ;-)

[Orillian]

I've got a 7900GTX in one of my machines. Can I use ATItool to overclock it? I heard somewere that ATItool had nVidia support, but I can't find the were for that. :P I really like how ATITool tests the memory and GPU on my x850xt and my x1600.

Anyways. not a big deal if it doesn't but dang it would be nice! :P

O.

[Sunwalker]

Beta 14 doesn't detect artefacts.

System:

P4 2,5Ghz
Radeon 9800Pro
Catalyst 6.2 installed.


Version 0.24 works good, but 0.25 b14 doesn't detect the artefacts an increases clock more and more. please check this bug.

[ViperJohn]

Beta 14 doesn't detect artefacts.

System:

P4 2,5Ghz
Radeon 9800Pro
Catalyst 6.2 installed.


Version 0.24 works good, but 0.25 b14 doesn't detect the artefacts an increases clock more and more. please check this bug.

This has been noted probably 10 to 15 times in this thread. The last version that would detect artifacts was 25B12a.

Viper

[mR Yellow]

Well, beta 15 should be good...seeing that we haven't had a update for awhile.

[hotrippr]

The driver tweaks is messing with my ati settings, wish there was a way to disable it??? After trying both I prefer to use CCC for quaity settings, and ATiT for fan control and tmp monitoring.

[IluvIntel]

I have a fresh HIS X1900XTX and ATItool v0.25 beta 14 informs me that the core is 499Mhz and Vram is 594Mhz. Not certain if this card is underclocked straight out of the factory box or there is a bug in ATItool. I'm using this card with Cat. 6.3

However, the previous version 0.24 worked very well with my X800 XT. It's a good program and I appreciate being able to download it for free and has given me very good results in the past. Thank you Wizzard, well done. :)

[Gnerma]

Thats your 2d speed Intel lover. It'll clock up to 650 when you launch a 3d app.

[sam375]

yay it works :roll:

752/815 for 13k link (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1932370)

my RAM oc is sucking pretty badly tho. Both of the RAM voltages I have set to 2.2v and I cant get clean runs above 825. More voltage, or should I worry about my cooling? (im on watercooling but the RAM is totally bare with a fan blowing on the card)

[EastCoasthandle]

hello,

Just a FYI...I have been using ATI Tool to OC my x1900xtx for the past month and haven't had a problem in BF2, Q4 and COD2...not one problem. Here are the settings

720/837.5
1.425 VGPU
2.113 MVDDC
2.113 MVDDQ
1.498 VDDCI <-cranking this up to the current settings help stabilize and increase min/low FPS.
Stock cooling, witha lapped HS and a 80mm fan on the Vregs/mosfets...
I set 3D-Dection to load my profile
I set 3D-Detect to load default profile when application closes

3D detect only sets the VC to 720/837.5 it does works now and it make sense. It also increase the voltage as well. (edited 4-7-06)

[IluvIntel]

Thats your 2d speed Intel lover. It'll clock up to 650 when you launch a 3d app.

If thats the case, then how do you O/C 3D settings ? works different to when I had X800 XT & v0.24. :confused:

[frewtkeek]

When running 3dmark 06 on my macbook pro, I noticed that the memory clock speed was about 198MHz. I used the latest beta version of AtiTool to get it to 470MHz, though I can't speed up the core clock. Seems like 400MHz is the limit. If you need any feedback or log files, just let me know.

[Super XP]

hello,

Just a FYI...I have been using ATI Tool to OC my x1900xtx for the past month and haven't had a problem in BF2, Q4 and COD2...not one problem. Here are the settings

720/837.5
1.425 VGPU
2.113 MVDDC
2.113 MVDDQ
1.498 VDDCI <-cranking this up to the current settings help stabilize and increase min/low FPS.
Stock cooling, witha lapped HS and a 80mm fan on the Vregs/mosfets...
I set 3D-Dection to load my profile
I set 3D-Detect to load default profile when application closes

One problem, 3D detect only sets the VC to 720/837.5 it does NOTHING for voltage which makes no sense. It should also increase the voltage as well. I am getting very tired having to tab over to Voltage Control to load that profile as well everytime I start ATI TOOL. In other words I have to load the Voltage Control profile every time I start ATI Tool. Is there a way to updat B14 to B15 so that when you set your 3D-Detection to load profile with 3D application is detect that it will also set the voltage Control profile as well?

It does increase the Voltage. You need to save your voltage settings with your 3D Detection. But never press "Apply" on the Voltage section, or you will run into problems, only save it on to your 3D profile.

[Super XP]

"I set 3D-Dection to load my profile"

So, adjust your volts & then save those settings with your profile, then have your profile boot up on 3D Detection.

[Punisher!]

Lo Wizz.!!!

There are still lots of bug with my NVIDIA V9999.

Temps. are both around ~51°C at start, so totally wrong, just when I start SmartDoctor together, it starts monitoring well (really strange lol but when I start SmartDoctor also ATI Tool starts showing temps well)... also it says my fan is always at 63%, while it is before at 50% and then at 100%.

[IluvIntel]

If thats the case, then how do you O/C 3D settings ? works different to when I had X800 XT & v0.24. :confused:

Do you overcock the 3D settings from the 2D clock speeds ? everytime I do that, I get to about 10-12% increase for core clock and start getting artifacts on desktop, yet the clock speeds are no where near what this card should be doing for 3D. :confused:
I get ATItool asking me a question after installing it saying that I have a choice to disable 2D/3D switch from drivers, so if you do this then you have to be starting to set your 3D clocks from the 2D clock speeds as shown in ATITool window...:confused: :(

[EastCoasthandle]

ok got it working now, thanks

[IluvIntel]

Working good for me now, thanks. But can't confirm or know what 3D speeds really are or do you work like a percentage increase ?

example:

If 500mhz is default core clock for 2D and 650mhz is default for 3D and I increase say 10% on 2D core to 550mhz, does that mean 10% increase applies for 3D? so, 650mhz becomes 715mhz?

This appears to be the case with 3Dmark05 scores I'm getting. :)

[velo]

Hi folks.. I love the functionality of ATItools so far, but I am having a very annoying problem. I'm running windows 2000 (long live 2k!) and I am getting the Kernel Mode Driver not found error after rebooting.. tools will run fine after a fresh install, but after a reboot they need to be uninstall/reinstalled. I've searched and found this same problem several other times in this forum and apart from the guy that was getting it with 64 bit and w1zzard wanted to talk to him on messenger, there has been no comment whatsoever.. Shall I assume that its a 'tough luck buddy' kind of problem? is there a known fix for this? I love the tools but I'm not going to purchase/install WinXP just to run them ;) Please let me know if there's a way to shuffle files or registry entries or even hack files to fix this.. I'm quite adventurous ;) Thanks

-velo

PS: if this is an unresolvable problem for windows 2000 and won't be fixed, can we get some official word on that? So people like me can just give up quietly.. hehe..

PPS: Also on another subject, my X1900XT is giving me problems running at stock frequencies.. namely heat issues i'd imagine, the backs of the vram chips are blazing hot, as is the back of the vregs or whatevers behind that little bonus heatsink, I'm getting hard locks, a few instances of artifacting in-game and out of game when i exit game.. Should I RMA and get a new one? what do you guys think? (this is stock freq's volts etc and the cooling in my case is very nice (7 case fans, CPU runs around 30-36C under load, oh and cranking the fan to 100% with atitools doesnt seem to help, the only thing that helps is reducing res and textures down to what my old 9700 pro could easily do to keep the heat down) lol I've edited this thing like a dozen times, but the last bit of info is, the temp readings seem to be ok.. 50-70C, and that sink is in contact with teh vram despite the backs of their mountings feeling awfully hot, what is extremely hot is the backs of the voltage regs (if thats what they are)

[coksakinol]

Hi . My 3D Profile fan settings is %100.But when I play the Tomb Raider Legend,3D profile is not working.Why...??
ASUS EAX1800XT 512...

[Concorde Rules]

Iluvintel, no that is NOT how it works, the clocks you set are the clocks it runs at.

I have a 2D profile with 500/600 - 1.175V and 10% fan speed (Colder and I get cold issues on air!!!)
Then i have a 3D profile of 670/802 - 1.425/2.113V @ adjustable fans speeds up to 70%.

coksakinol, some games dont send out the correct 3D start signals, so therefore ATi Tool doesnt know to start the profile, in the 3D detection panel, there is an area where you can speicify when to start the profile or not.

Conc

PS: PLEASE WIZARD!! GIVE US THE OPTION OF CUSTOMISED dealy between:
Game start --> voltage set --> clocks set
Game end --> clocks set --> Voltage set

As 250ms with me is JUST NOT ENOUGH!!! or whatever its set at.

Thanks Conc

[bigenuffumbrella]

Hey Wizz, thanks for all the hard work on the ATI Tools. It's going to take me awhile to figure out what everything does since I'm kinda new to this OCing thing, but you can tell you've spent a lot of time with the program.

The problem I have is this: at the moment, all I really need to tweak is the fan speed on my 1900XTX. Version 24 doesn't seem to have this for my card, and the Ver 25 beta runs just a little flaky on my PC. (if I let ATI Tools handle overclocking on startup some games are shaky, if I say no to letting it handle the OC some games will not start--understandable...it's a beta) Until you have a final for ver 25 ready to go is it possible to simply edit the settings for my VGA fan in the registry and if so would you care to tell me where?

Thanks man...keep up the awesome job!

[EastCoasthandle]

After 2 reinstalls with 2 downloads...it's official Cat 6.4 is pure crap. It's messing everything up on my system. I am getting a lot of "flashes" across text within popup screens on the desktop like windows task manager, artifacts when booting up to XP, ATITOOL is rendered useles and will no longer overclock the video card, nor disable ATI's services, etc. I am going back to 6.3. And, Cat 6.4 renders ATI TOOL useless now. It will not work at all. Try Cat 6.4 at your own risk..

[EastCoasthandle]

ok I am back to Cat 6.3 and all is well again. ATI TOOL works now and upon startup removes the services from CCC once again. Man that was 2 hours of hell.

[Gnerma]

Cat 6.4 is working ok for me so far.

[sonbor]

hi

just thought i would let you know after installing cat 6.4 , got artifacts and basically no overclock where as 6.3 was fine, you probably already know theres problems - running x800 pro

kev

[hotrippr]

ok I am back to Cat 6.3 and all is well again. ATI TOOL works now and upon startup removes the services from CCC once again. Man that was 2 hours of hell.
What is your DX version? Mine is 9.0c(4.09.0000.0904).
I am using Atitool for fan control only, and all my games and desktop, task man, etc look phine.
I dont think the driver is crap(so far).
I think Atitool is long overdue for an update.
W1ZZard where are you?

[sonbor]

using directx9c as well, still getting artefacts after reload :confused:

[Wizard17]

EasCoastHandle

Welcome to the world of dynamically changable clock/mem speeds and mem. timings... People having problems with Catalyst 6.4 might be simply due to ATI having improved (tightened even more) mem. timings. I get an artifact-screen at boot-up, but after driver initializes, everything's just fine. People having their XT flashed to an XTX might confuse CCC with the wrong hardware. I know the hardware "should" be the same, but it has always been my guess that the XT's are the versions of the card that "just" could NOT make it being an XTX. ATI overclocks the mem. on CL=9 to 800 with max. overdrive, while mem. spec is to run at CL=11 at that speed. In other words, the boards that cannot withstand ATI's overclocking of the mem. to (in case of XTX-spec.) 690/800 are labeled XT whereas the boards than can are labeled XTX. Flashing to XTX gives the driver the wrong idea about hardware capabilities. It also means that anyone having succesfully overclocked on CCC 6.3 will probably have to start all over with CCC 6.4. Until ATITool is mature enough to handle mem. timings and delay-times (which seem to play a very important role in succesful switching of clocks, timings and voltages here!) it's use is still restricted to fan-control if you ask me. I don't think anyone would like to start finding their best OC-settings with every driver-release over and over again...

[hotrippr]

ok, now I saw the arty at startup but went away as soon as driver kicked in like wizard17 said.
Still everythink is good, with cat6.4.
ATT is a great fan controller....eehhm....well my momma said if you cant say anthing good dont say it at all, lol.

[MindBlank]

I don't know if this has been posted yet. If it has, i'm sorry, i didn't browse all the pages from this thread.

Anyway - my Gainward GeForce 7900GT's memory frequency is reported wrong. Also it says the card has SDR memory. :wtf:

Here's a screen :

[Concorde Rules]

Since 6.4 clocks have had to drop, timings could be the issue? But surely thats BIOS???

CR.

[EastCoasthandle]

there are many users with problems with 6.4 a good portion of them are not OC at all.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1042860
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...ead.php?t=95953
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=453913

It seems that the only users able to use 6.4 are a finger full of x1000 users and x850 series users. Everyone else is having problems. 9.0c 2004, 9,0c 2005 or 9.0c 2006 Directx...it doesn't matter...one guy can play some games while Oblivion is serioulsy messed up. But that's only when he goes out side. This my friend is a serious driver error, IMO.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8899/obld2yl.png <---link to what Oblivion looks like with 6.4

So it's must be more then an issue with ATI Tool alone.
Something is foul with these drivers...Wiz17 I think you are on the right track but until they actually tell us will we know how to use these drivers as is. Which I seriously doubt because it's a crap shoot to get it to work with certain games at this point.

[sonbor]

hi

quick question , had 6.3 overclocking fine - installed 6.4 problems - reinstalled 6.3 - cleaning - rebooting as you must - but still having problems with overclocking - would like to
know if formatting would be easiest way to go as to be sure all ati drivers are gone or have they somehoww changed it at the base level - clocks -timings etc...

thanks for any help
kev

[Sparticus]

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