0.0.23 beta 7

[W1zzard]

- Added M10 support to memory timings editor
- Minor improvements to artifact scanning and detection
- Added removal of Macrovision detection from analog input recording driver
- Fixed crash when year>2038 (#81)

[acrowley23]

wizzard....Artifact Detection is wrong too...same Prob here with X800 like in 0.23b6... It gives me Artifacts with 100% stable clock!
Older 0.22 ( and under 0.23b6 )with this gives no Artifacts !

[Erroneus]

When trying to upgrade from 0.22 i got this message:

Output folder: C:\Program Files\ATITool
Extract: ATITool.exe
Can't write: C:\Program Files\ATITool\ATIToolHooks.dll

AtiTool was offcouse not running :)

Then when i tried to install again, i didn't get the upgrade/uninstall/install options, it just installed, but the same error again :(

** Update.

Tried to run AtiTool, and got an error no device driver was installed. Then quited AtiTool and ran the setup again, and now it worked perfectly :D

Great tool btw. :)

[Cynips]

Whoa, new update again. Have to try when I get home after work. Using a PowerBook G4 here... I didn't really have any problems with the b6, BTW.

FYI, the mobo doesn't show up right. I'm using MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702 with VIA® K8T800 Chipset, VIA® VT8237 Chipset, seems to be hardware monitored through the MSI CoreCell chip)

[W1zzard]

what does "doesnt show right" mean? does it work in mbm or somewhere else?

[Urlyin]

Hey, W1zzard I've been getting this error ever since AtiTool .023 came out ... or at least since I install the lastest cat drivers, I can use .022 but was having the x800 lockup problems finding max mem/vcore... been busy haven't had time to worry about it

[FakeTheFake]

Hi,

could someone (W1zzard?) explain to me what the option "Remove Macrovision detection from analog input recording driver" exactly does?! It's enabled by default in this version but I actually don't know what it's for...

Thanx
c

and......great tool W1zzard!

[420KILLA]

well w1zzard......i am still having HWM problems and i havent seen you say anything about it yet.......So i decided to tell you what motherboard i had and post a picture of whats going on.......I use the intel D850EMV2 motherboard.....and it doesnt seem to be listed in the motherboard tab of atitool in HWM. and as i said before....all these values say 255.....or at least most of the values......the only thing i can think is because i dont have a motherboard selected....but the reason why is because mine is not listed.
http://www.s108774464.onlinehome.us/enigma/attachments/HWM_Problem.bmp

[opiants]

Whasup with beta 7. When running max core, after 10mhz and above of overclock the driver resets and the 3d render windows shows up like this :(

http://img24.exs.cx/img24/5844/atitool.jpg

[Lucas-10]

Hi,

could someone (W1zzard?) explain to me what the option "Remove Macrovision detection from analog input recording driver" exactly does?! It's enabled by default in this version but I actually don't know what it's for...

Thanx
c

and......great tool W1zzard!

Macrovision is video copy protection see this link
http://www.macrovision.com/products/video/index.shtml

[Cynips]

what does "doesnt show right" mean? does it work in mbm or somewhere else?
Ehrm, it's just the voltages that are incorrectly shown it seems. And maybe fan speeds, both 1 and 2 are shown as 0 RPM. Other than the mobo not being identified or being in the list, but I guess that's understandable considering the huge database you mentioned would be needed.
FYI, sensor chip is shown as W83697HF.

[rikit_zap]

I've run this twice through on core and memory and it came up with the same number both times. They are a little lower than before 515/529 @ 71C. Which is about 8C higher than 5. 6 locked up so I have no temps for it. I am going to run this through 3dMark03 but I have successfully run it just a little higher before so I don't anticipate any problems. I will post again if there are. I think you finally hit on the right combination for the overclock. Nice, safe, stable numbers. Good Job!!!

[Stephen M. Smith]

I noticed that those random, bogus temp readings I used to get when my card/cpu were under stress (eg. showing the 3DView) no longer occur in this new beta.

[[-Yoshi-]]

Have you fixed the hibernation problem? :(

[W1zzard]

stephen: yep i fixed it but wasnt completely sure .. so i didnt add it to the changelog

yosi: no .. as i said it's a rather complicated issue .. but i'm working on it

urlyin: do you have temp aa or cat ai enabled?

cynips, r420killa: what board do you have?

[acrowley23]

I've run this twice through on core and memory and it came up with the same number both times. They are a little lower than before 515/529 @ 71C. Which is about 8C higher than 5. 6 locked up so I have no temps for it. I am going to run this through 3dMark03 but I have successfully run it just a little higher before so I don't anticipate any problems. I will post again if there are. I think you finally hit on the right combination for the overclock. Nice, safe, stable numbers. Good Job!!!


for me.. about my X800 Card.. i get with 0.23b7 a 7-12 Mhz lower Clock under my 100% stable max clock!
And i know for sure, that Detection is wrong...cause this max clock is running for over 3 Month absolutly stable...older 0.22 gives me the right clock!
So i think the Artifact Detection for x800 Cards is going worser compared with under 0.23b6 Versions! In my Case...

Also the Bug with FanSpeeds with Rest Button still exits...I've a XT500_500 Bios working on my Vivo. This Bios has faster FanSpeeds. When i use Reset Button in FanControl, the FanSpeeds are going back and wrong on old Pro Speeds like with Pro Bios..
Wizzard told me its cause he use a Hardcoded Set...not nice...Reset sometimes would be usefull...with right Speeds

[W1zzard]

i know its not nice but i couldnt find out where the fan speeds are in the bios yet

[rikit_zap]

for me.. about my X800 Card.. i get with 0.23b7 a 7-12 Mhz lower Clock under my 100% stable max clock!


And that's good isn't it? I thought ATITool had the reputation of finding artifacts on OC long before you could see them in the game. Then we could always bump it up a little more to our liking. I believe that's what the program is back to. I guess I always looked at ATITool as a starting point not an ending point. I attributed the slower speeds to the temp increase above my normal load temps. Which again, to me, is a good thing.

[andrenoites]

W1zzard:

I can now access timmings menu but when click apply to set changes all stays the same (timmings and apply button (doesn´t change to undo button))

Sorry my english i´m from Portugal

[W1zzard]

the undo button is gone ... reset returns to your defaults ..

select one setting, change it, hit apply .. it should have changed . click reset to return to the values that were set when you opened the mem editor window

[andrenoites]

It´s like this:

Change timmings and hit apply then if i close the timmings window and open it again the timmings are the same after pc boot, no changes at all.

With the 0.0.22 when i close the timmings window and open again the timmings are the same i had applyed before

[Cynips]

W1zzard:

I'm using MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R w BIOS v. 1.9B2 (= MS-6702 with VIA® K8T800 Chipset, VIA® VT8237 Chipset and seems to be hardware monitored through the MSI CoreCell chip).
That's together with an Athlon 64 3200+[rev. CG]@2.15GHz.

[Urlyin]

stephen: yep i fixed it but wasnt completely sure .. so i didnt add it to the changelog

yosi: no .. as i said it's a rather complicated issue .. but i'm working on it

urlyin: do you have temp aa or cat ai enabled?

cynips, r420killa: what board do you have?

W1zzard you talking about temp monitor? Not sure what either is :o
I usually only turn on the temp monitor... never mess with anything else...

Edited this message to say that reinstalling the video drivers( used driver cleaner to kill them all )and that solved my problem... max core still runs till it locks up though ... thanks for the help :)

[420KILLA]

I think i told you in original post about HWM......but i have the Intel D850EMV2 Motherboard.....with the newest intel bios . thanks for your reply.

[corny]

Howdy W1zzard,

How does the Ati cooler 4 work with Atitool? Just purchased one, does it support changed fan speeds?

Cheers!

James

[acrowley23]

And that's good isn't it? I thought ATITool had the reputation of finding artifacts on OC long before you could see them in the game. Then we could always bump it up a little more to our liking. I believe that's what the program is back to. I guess I always looked at ATITool as a starting point not an ending point. I attributed the slower speeds to the temp increase above my normal load temps. Which again, to me, is a good thing.


man..i talk about Stock Clockrates too. And this clock where 0.23b7 detect Artifacts is stable 100%...all other AtiTool Vers and all other Apps Games..for over 3 Month !

Thats not a good new "Feature" that new AtiTool gives you a save clock ,which is better a little to low and safe...its a Error !!! Its cause the X800 Artifact Detection Prob...
Also ...read what i wrot above....all other AtiTool Version under 0.23b6 are giving me the right clock..so its a Prob of 0.23b7 and X800 Artifact Detection



@corny..its not a question of the Fan....its a question of the FanControll on the Card!
X800 is supported by AtiTool so you can use each AirCooling...Ati4 is working fine and you can easy adjust your own Speeds and Temps

@uryin...he talks about temporal AntiAlaising that could produce Errors and AtiTool may interpret them as Artifacts..

[Jeronimo]

man..i talk about Stock Clockrates too. And this clock where 0.23b7 detect Artifacts is stable 100%...all other AtiTool Vers and all other Apps Games..for over 3 Month !

Thats not a good new "Feature" that new AtiTool gives you a save clock ,which is better a little to low and safe...its a Error !!! Its cause the X800 Artifact Detection Prob...
Also ...read what i wrot above....all other AtiTool Version under 0.23b6 are giving me the right clock..so its a Prob of 0.23b7 and X800 Artifact Detection



@corny..its not a question of the Fan....its a question of the FanControll on the Card!
X800 is supported by AtiTool so you can use each AirCooling...Ati4 is working fine and you can easy adjust your own Speeds and Temps

@uryin...he talks about temporal AntiAlaising that could produce Errors and AtiTool may interpret them as Artifacts..

Am I the only one that lost track of this discussion, I do not understand it.

[W1zzard]

acrowley has the problem that atitool detects his max. mem too low

acrowley: what card/memory? is the max. mem always the same with b7 for every scan or does it change more than 5 mhz from scan to scan?

[corny]

The fan has to support changed voltage to support changed speeds, some just will not run below X Volts.

There were previous issues with the Ati4 fan stopping, is this remaining an issue?

Thanks,

James

[Urlyin]

Thanks Acrowley23 ... isn't Temp AA part of the Omega drivers? and obviously the cat AA is the Ati catalyst anti AntiAlaising ... DUh! The first time I tried max core\mem after re-installing it locked ... but since then it seems to be working fine.. let it run for 10 or so minutes... it was time to hit the sack..

[acrowley23]

I only know that FanControl is working well on most Fans..like Ati4 or x800, 9800XT Stock Cooling...at low or fast Speeds (low or higher Voltage)

@Wizzard....
my Card is aX800proVivo@XT with max 100% stable at 568 Mhz Mem Clock!
Sometimes i get Artifacts soon at 556Mhz ,sometimes at 560Mhz Mem with 0.23b7 and b6. With the "real" 568Mhz i get heavy Artifacts. With older Versions (0.23b5) i get the real clock and no Errors or freezes with Artifact Scan!


Jeronimo...thats my "fast writing English" ...sorry

[rikit_zap]

I read your post and my card does the same thing. But I also noticed that the with this card, 1.6ns memory, that my max overclock on it is real dependent on temps. And like I noted the temp with b7 is 8-10C higher than what 3dmark brings it up. A few c's either way can affect my overclock by more than the difference I'm getting. So I won't be much use in testing the rest of it out.

[W1zzard]

acrowley: i would say 8-12 mhz less is due to improved scanning.. previously every 20-40 frames the rendering had to stop and move the frame to the cpu and scan it for artifacts .. this costs a lot of time and the gpu/memory is idle during that time (about 0.1 sec) so temp is less .. with the new method all this wont happen and the gpu/mem will work non-stop

[acrowley23]

its not the Temp for me ...i've max 62C..with all Apps an with Artifact Scan !

Wizzard..OK..but is not my "real" max Clock with this "new Method"!
I can run this MEM Clock with a MotherNature 12h Loop...or older AtiTool Scanning or AtiTrayTool Scanning!
All Apps ,Games are running with the max Clock! for over 3 Month...without Errors!
And this Mem Clock is not the absolut max..normally its 570Mhz...Now AtiTool is giving me Errors at 555Mhz??!! 10-15MHz wrong... :rolleyes:

[BongMong]

Wizzy, I have an X800pro vivo 1.6ns running with the Connect3D 500/500 XT bios. I get artifacts, not much, but so this ATiTool states. I see nothing. It runs cooler than it did with the X800pro 16p bios, due to the more aggressive fan settings. It seems to be 100% stable. My vid ram cannot be the prob, and the extra pipes didn't cause artifacting with the 16p bios and an earlier ATiTool (don't know which beta, but a beta...) so it's not them. Could it really be the 25mhz overclock on the core? Really? Rabit shows the same mem timings for the 16p bios and the Connect3D 500/500 bios, so it can't be them. I am left with either the 25mhz core overclock being too much for the card (odd, since it is running far cooler, 75 rather than 79 at load) or ATiTool is giving me false readings.

I am not an experienced vid card overclocker, but I do know my PC onions and I'm an old hand with computers of all (and I do mean all) types. This is running against all experience so far and is puzzleing me. Thing is, the XT bios works far better than the 16p bios, and I suspect it is somehow encouraging the drivers to use the extra pipes better (as has been suggested by other folk around abouts). I am lothe to give it up when the only thing suggesting I should is this ATiTool of yours. I usually trust my eyes and judgement over such things, but as I say, I am not an experienced vid card overclocker.

My questions? A) Am I risking damage to my card? B) Is my card just a particularly crappy overclocker? C) Would you consider ATiTool's readings to be suspect with the X800 at this time?

I am hoping I can stay with this bios. Help!

[acrowley23]

Bong Bong..I'm using the XT500_500 Bios too...very much People on Rage3d has report a better Gpu clock as the Bios was coming out for 1-2 Month!
I get 10-15 Mhz more stable GPU clock with this Bios!! Fact! MEM is the same with 568Mhz..
But GPU is giving more better Results..Dont Know why.. but ist real :)
This Bios is running for 1-2 Month on my Card without any Errors..For me its the best Bios for my X800proVivo@XT..
Temps Idle 38 /load 62C...with XT500_500 Bios...faster FanSpeeds!
You can leave it with this Bios..why Not ??!! you dont damage your Card when Temps are fine and when its stable..you can "trust it"

you're talking about 75-79C under load...sure X800 Card can easily run over 80C..but i suggest you a better Cooling as with Stock..for me 79C is a little bit to high! Better you use a Ati4 Silencer

[BongMong]

Ta Alistair. I was hoping for that. However, what concerns me is that most folk find ATiTool's readings to be useful it seems, but we do not. This is still giving me the willies a bit. Am I being paranoid, or are they really all out to get me?

On the other hand, are you just lying to me because you're so evil? Could this be one of your famed satanic plots to get me to burn my vid card? Your reputation is quite clear on these matters... ;)

[acrowley23]

Normally the readings are 100& right...do you believe AtiTool is showing you the wrong (to high) clock ??
For me ,the Gpu max Detection with AtiTool is 100% right..525Mhz on 1,5VCore!

[BongMong]

All I am doing is running the artifact test after heating my card a bit. It is suggesting that running my 500/500 bios is producing artifacts a bit. It follows that a 25mhz overclock is too much for my core, even though the high fan speed keeps it cooler than the stock bios. I am not sure whether to believe this or not, for the reasons I have stated earlier. I seek reassurance so I don't feel I should flash back to the poor 16p substitute.

[BongMong]

What is the default core volt on a 500/500 XT? Is it higher than on a pro vivo?

[acrowley23]

XT = 1,38-1,45V.. my Vivo was on 1,42 Stock

When your Card cannot make more as 500_500 it is not a suprise whe its a "newer" Vivo...many new Vivo Card cant go over 510Mhz Mem..
But with XT500_500 Bios your GPU normally must make 500Mhz stable

[corny]

1.40 Volts, same as XT since Pro VIVOs are XTs with faster fan speeds.

W1zzard/ACrowley:

Impressive rewrite in rendering code! I am not critiscising, since personally have found the tool to be excellent! However, in real world gaming there are always times at which the GPU goes idle, and hence explains why the do not artifact as early as Atitool. Therefore one could potentially reduce the margin to which they reduce their OC from ATitools max by say 10Mhz rather than ~ 25.

An alternative method, though substantially harder to implement, would be to render scenes from hard 3D apps, and have them compared to stock at OC levels. Very CPU and time demanding, not to mention time to program, but likely to be very effective since this is the method through which most identify max OCs. 3DM01/03/05, Doom and FarCry would be a good start :D.

You could use Benchemall to run a timedemo, compare stock and OC after it has run.

Just an idea :)

[W1zzard]

in my opinon its better to find the oc which is artifact free in as many situations as possible .. if you play less taxing games, just slap on a few mhz :)

[420KILLA]

Hey wizzard do you know if you will be able to add my motherboard to the selection in HWM....i think that would make it to where i dont get the 255's on almost everything on the page.

[Stephen M. Smith]

stephen: yep i fixed it but wasnt completely sure .. so i didnt add it to the changelog

The hardware monitoring page is great. It's actually more informative (and more precise) than what MBM can do. So when would be the best time for me to start begging and begging for low/high/avg columns so I can just replace MBM altogether? I'm available to start anytime <g>.

[bmxerkrantz]

hi please continue support for MBM, its been the lightest and overall best solution for monitoring computers I have found. and thanks for fixing it so i can have them both run at the same time. the asus monitoring software for my card would close b4 i could even see the error. i had just bought my card and my waterblock peed on it before i even used it once, and then it would crash like crazy when playing games. i could almost read the asus' monitoring software for the problem. so i removed the asus tool, installed mbm .. read the logs and i just needed to up my agp voltage. then i tried other monitoring software, but it was either too hefty on resources (sucks to have to close the monitoring software to tax your system and never find out what was wrong) or they was just plain lacking in options

[corny]

in my opinon its better to find the oc which is artifact free in as many situations as possible .. if you play less taxing games, just slap on a few mhz :)

Have to agree there :)

If volt modding the card, say from 1.40V to 1.43V, can one achieve a higher Mem overclock, or only core?

[acrowley23]

Have to agree there :)

If volt modding the card, say from 1.40V to 1.43V, can one achieve a higher Mem overclock, or only core?


you dont get more Mem Clock with more Vcore..
Most people need more than 1,43V for more Gpz clock! Most peope are on 1,5-1,55V!
I need 1,5V to reach XT-PE Speed with 520Mhz Gpu Clock and more (max 535)..

Wizzard...I tell you i have 100% no Artifacts with this Mem Clock in all Situations!
Not with older AtiTool not with AtiTray Tools Scanning ,not with MotherNatureLoops over Night, not in Doom3 Timedemos, Valve Stress Test and so on..not in any other hard Situations!
I get Artifacts now so 10Mhz earlier where normally are 100% no Artifacts..
I found out my max Clock out over weeks manually! With Scenes like MotherNature, Ruby ,Doom3 for the Gpu! And Scenes like Ragtroll, AtiTrayTool and also always right with AtiTool! Not only in some 5 minute Games!!!

I dont talk generally about to low AtiTool Scanning..only about 0.23b6-7 ! Older versions are 100% right!
And i never had such heavy Artifacting seen before with such a low clock ,10 Mhz + earlier!
Whole 3d view full of heavy Arifacts...Normally i get 10-15 Mhz later a few Artifacts..
Cannot be true, that only now with new Code i get such a heavy Artifacting :o
And i get no final Result now with 0.23b7!
Also its not a Temp Prob for me cause of new rendering Code with no less of Heat!
I get 62C Max on Artifact Scan..the same is on AtiTool 0.23b5 or 0.22!

Finally this new Code is giving me Artifacts where are normally 100% NO Artifacts!

I love AtiTool very much and i use it for a long time ago. with older 9800 Series...
I always trust Artifact Scan, i always get near by Real Results...
But now the scanning on my X800 Card isnt as accurate as it was before with 0.23b5 or older Versions !

Ok i see i dont get a feedback on this Problem...people will talk about my clock is wrong :rolleyes: Nevermind...

Edit : Wizzard....something i though about : I have a Vivo where's on the front 1,6ns Ram on an the back 2,0ns Ram! Usually thats no Problem...
But maybe this is the Problem with the new Rendering Code...

[Stephen M. Smith]

hi please continue support for MBM, its been the lightest and overall best solution for monitoring computers I have found. and thanks for fixing it so i can have them both run at the same time. the asus monitoring software for my card would close b4 i could even see the error. i had just bought my card and my waterblock peed on it before i even used it once, and then it would crash like crazy when playing games. i could almost read the asus' monitoring software for the problem. so i removed the asus tool, installed mbm .. read the logs and i just needed to up my agp voltage. then i tried other monitoring software, but it was either too hefty on resources (sucks to have to close the monitoring software to tax your system and never find out what was wrong) or they was just plain lacking in options

I agree MBM is one of those really great rare freebies (as is ATI Tool). However, it has been discontinued so chances are it will not work w/your next mb upgrade. See the mbm home page for details.

[bmxerkrantz]

yea i remember that ... but just because he stops work dont mean others wont list up mobo's its all these companies that have "ai" style stuff that really dont work. im still curious how the windows based overclocking only works half the time anyways.

edit: yes im allergic to periods, but not elipses' for some reason