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for those considering the mem bandwidth part:

the 4870/90 was in excess of bandwith with 256-bit gddr5 so the delta between the two cards (4890-5870) is larger than just 5% in utilized bandwidth no?

I could take my 900mhz core 4870x2 from 900mhz mem to 1000mhz mem and see almost zero change in performance.... havent played enough with my 4890s yet to speak to them though.

Here: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3555&p=2 It shows that increasing the memory speed does bring some benefits even when the core is at stock 850MHz. But overall, the stock memory bandwidth is almost just enough for a stock 4890. I already tried explaining it in my post somewhere above, but I'd rather let the article that is several pages long do the 'splaining! :nutkick:
 
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So the secret to making a photo-realistic Ruby was to make an ugly Ruby?

It always has been. 100% of woman you see in real life are far from as "perfect" as past renderings show Ruby. Plus a masterpiece is never perfect. I would have liked to see her shirt ripped a little and a little dirt on her arms to really get a feeling of reality.

Anyway color me impressed.
 
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It always has been. 100% of woman you see in real life are far from as "perfect" as past renderings show Ruby. Plus a masterpiece is never perfect. I would have liked to see her shirt ripped a little and a little dirt on her arms to really get a feeling of reality.

Exactly. :toast:

So are we going to have to wait a bit longer for some press releases now? I thought there was going to be one yesterday.
 
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so wtf.....i thought that the 10th was supposed to be the unvieling but its only been more trustable rumors as nothing has been confirmed or official from AMD. well NDA is lifted and w1z recieved hardware so we'd be safe to assume other reviewee's have also, just waiting for benchies now.
 
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so wtf.....i thought that the 10th was supposed to be the unvieling but its only been more trustable rumors as nothing has been confirmed or official from AMD. well NDA is lifted and w1z recieved hardware so we'd be safe to assume other reviewee's have also, just waiting for benchies now.

If you look, all of the information is out there. Specifications, pictures, etc. Everyone recieved their samples yesterday. We'll be seeing benchmarks and such very soon! I keep hearing we will see these cards for sale on Sept. 22nd. My money is already saved with next day air shipping included.
 
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If you look, all of the information is out there. Specifications, pictures, etc. Everyone recieved their samples yesterday. We'll be seeing benchmarks and such very soon! I keep hearing we will see these cards for sale on Sept. 22nd. My money is already saved with next day air shipping included.

yea, i kno the specs are there, but i was still expecting something like official from AMD and yea w1z said he got a sample(or 2?) so i wonder how long it takes to finish a review? like 1-2weeks? i just hope someone works they boot off n gets a review out in like 3 days or something. I also have my money set aside for the HD 5870, well the 1gb version.
 

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That's now how it works. Samples were given yesterday, but upon entering an NDA with the company that you won't publish a review until Sep 23, when it is launched.
 
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That's now how it works. Samples were given yesterday, but upon entering an NDA with the company that you won't publish a review until Sep 23, when it is launched.

awwwhhhh poop on that. i thought sept 10th was supposed to be when NDA was lifted....so what exactly was all the hype about sept 10th if there's like nothing more out now than wat we knew before? i mean we know what the specs are but eh i was hoping for something a little more, like a review :p. o well another 2 weeks of waiting.
 
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That's now how it works. Samples were given yesterday, but upon entering an NDA with the company that you won't publish a review until Sep 23, when it is launched.

wow NDA's for the lose...:shadedshu
 

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wait... what cards are being released on the 23rd? Just the ATI 5850 and 5870?!

I WANT THE < $120 CARDS ATI!

And benchmarks.
 

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Looks like I was right about the pricing after all.. as I posted in another thread:

Ohh man, I was planning on buying a 5870 this month for $299 (if it's available) but at $399, I guess I'll just wait..



Yep, exactly! However, if I were ATI, I would do the same thing to try to establish leadership in the eyes of the gamer's market once again. Given that there are strong indications that the 5870 would be nearly twice as fast as the 4870 given the sheer increase in trannies, it should be a good amount faster than the $330 GTX 285 cards today. Add in DX11 features and a lack of competition for a couple months.. it makes sense for ATI to do this.

At least it's not as bad as the X1900XTX days. It retailed for $599 for a few months, and buying 2 for Crossfire meant $1200.

A quick history of cards and the RELEASE prices:

Geforce 2 GTS: $300
Geforce 2 Ultra: $500 (25% perf. increase, lack of competition since Geforce1---first single $500 GPU ever, for the leet only!)
Geforce 3: $350 (small perf. increase, DX8.0 features, zero competition)
Geforce 3 Ti500: $350 (marginal perf. increase, competition with Radeon 8500)
Radeon 8500: $300 (buggy drivers, slightly faster than the above when it's not buggy)
Geforce 4 Ti4600: $400 (50% perf. increase, DX8.1 features, 0 competition for a few months)
Radeon 9700 Pro: $450 (100% faster than the above, DX9.0b, 0 competition until the "virtual" 5800 Ultra)
Geforce 5800 Ultra: $500 (scarce quantities, therefore high demand, only DX9.0a)
Radeon 9800 Pro, Geforce 5900 Ultra: $400 (20% faster than the above)
Radeon 9800 XT, Geforce 5950 Ultra: $450 (15% faster than the above, 256MB RAM)
Radeon X800 XT, Geforce 6800 Ultra: $500 (released at same time summer 2004, 100% faster than the above, 6800Ultra had DX9.0c but was 10% slower than X800XT as most games didnt use SM3.0/HDR for a couple years)
Radeon X850XT: $500 (released a few months later, marginally faster.. PCI-E with SLI/Crossfire support was rolled-out, both 6800Ultra and X850XT remained at $450-$500 until summer 2005 with crazy demand during the Doom3 days)
Geforce 7800 GTX: $500 (out in summer 2005, 0 competition for 6 months, 100% faster than 6800Ultra)
Geforce 7800 GTX-512: $650 (scarce, super-fast-- 30% faster than the above)
Radeon X1800XT: $450 (finally out in Nov. 2005, a few weeks later and 20% slower than the above)
Radeon X1900XTX: $600 (Jan. 2006, 20% faster than 7800GTX-512, 0 competition for 4 months)
Geforce 7900GTX: $500 (April 2006, 10-15% slower than Radeon X1900XTX overall--much slower in newer shader-heavy games)
Geforce 7950GX2: $600 (July 2006, Nvidia's first dual-GPU card for retail (equivalent to two 7950GT chips)
Radeon X1950XTX: $450 (Sept 2006, 5% faster than X1900XTX due to GDDR4, hence the lower prices over time as the supply outstripped demand with great 90nm yields while many didnt like the noisy X1900XTX fan)
Geforce 8800GTX: $600 (Nov. 2006, DX10, virtually 0 competition for 16 months)
Geforce 8800Ultra: $650 (May 2007, somewhat scarce at first, 10% faster)
Radeon HD 2900XT: $450 (June 2007, 30% slower than 8800GTX overall)
Radeon HD 3870: $250 (Dec 2007, DX10.1 which was hardly used, still 30% slower than 8800GTX and also slower than pre-emptive $300 8800GT released in Nov)
Radeon HD 3870X2: $450 (Feb 2008, two 3870 chips, 100Mhz faster but with slower memory)
Geforce 9800GX2: $550 (Mar 2008, roughly equal to 2 8800GTS-512 chips, 30% faster than 3870X2)
Radeon HD 4870: $300 (June 2008, 50% faster than 8800 Ultra, 100% faster than 3870)
Geforce GTX 280: planned $550, paper-launch at the same time, 2 weeks later than HD4870 actual release, price reduced to $450 at first availability with $100 rebates.. hardly any faster than 4870 in a number of popular new games at the time, maybe 15% overall which did not impress much after the promises NV made)

You can easily figure which ones are the new generation cards by looking at the model numbers..

Was that a fun lesson of history?? :D:rockout:

At least the 5870 (which looks to be nearly twice as fast as the 4870) will not be in the $500+ range like many of the previous top-end cards. As the 4870X2 cards have been selling for around $400 nowadays, the 5870 which should be just as fast (and faster whenever Crossfire doesnt scale perfectly well), would do nicely for ATI at a similar price until there's some competition from NV.

It looks like the GT300 will be more of a leap from the GT200 than the GT200 was from the G80. There have been several indications that there will be some massive architectural changes along with a huge, gigantic increase in performance. However, I wouldn't hold my breath this year for GT300 cards. At over 500mm^2 on 40nm, the first spin of GT300 is most likely to not make it. A delay of at least 3-6 months is expected. If the first spin makes it (which is unlikely), we'd be seeing it in December at the earliest. March-July is more likely. It would probably be at least 40% faster than the 5870, so Nvidia would still price it at around $450-500 unless ATI pulls something out of the hat before then.

EDIT: Added dual-GPU cards to the above list.
It is big "thanks" to the popularity of dual-GPU cards that we do not really have to worry about seeing $500+ single-GPU cards. Ever since the release of 7950GX2 cards, we have not yet seen a single-GPU card for over $500 (except for 8800GTX/Ultra which was so far ahead of others at the time).

And nobody's thanking me for being right? I guess not, since the truth ($399) hurts! :laugh:
 

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epic fail lighting though..... I dont care if its a render or a picture here skin is wayyyy blown out

At least they should've chosen a "prettier" Ruby model! My wife has natural hair that's more red like Ruby's, not the orange-ish one!


(Edit: Just wanted to let you know that the Anandtech article on memory bottleneck associated w/ overclocking is a dedicated article that is several pages long. I was wondering if you discarded it as a basic "review" article after seeing only 1 page of it, that's all dude..)
 
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Wait so Wizzard has a 5 series card that he is benching and is legally allowed to share? If so is there an ETA...
 

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Wait so Wizzard has a 5 series card that he is benching and is legally allowed to share? If so is there an ETA...

He has (a) 5 series card(s) which he can share details of after 23 Sep 6:01 AM EST.
 

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Ahh 12 more days, argh!!!! I'm focusing all of my energy on this 5870!!! I can't wait to find out what the new AA/AF algorithm is! At least, the AF should be just as good as Nvidia's, if not better! 32x AF anyone??
 

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XFX seems to be hinting at something from ATI that will be similar to Nvidia's Stereo3D. XFX's 2118 A.D. http://www.xfxforce.com/2118ad/
And it says that we can apply for 2nd generation trial screenings today with the "optical implants" that has to do with ATI's new Eyefinity "feature". The new "AMD Vision" logo is there, right alongside ATI's Eyefinity logo, so that could also be Stereo3D, not just multi-monitors. I'm just guessing, with wishful thinking!
 

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Ahh the NDA is sept 23rd, thanks.

I'm gonna get a 5870 x2 when available for around $500. It makes a lot more sense of an upgrade then moving to an i7 system as far as bang for my buck. My system is perdy solid otherwise.
 
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He has (a) 5 series card(s) which he can share details of after 23 Sep 6:01 AM EST.

BRB "visiting" Wizzard, and by "visting" I certainly don't mean house breaking and stealing a HD5 series card ;)
 
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Random image of a portion the top. Should tell you there's not much ventilation from the top (a la GTX 295):

 
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I was just about to go to sleep, but since no one put this yet, here it goes:

The first slides pretty much confirms the rumours we've been hearing: ridiculously low idle power, 1600sp, 850MHz, $400, etc:





The 2GB version with 6 monitor output:



The new Alien vs. Predator game, with DX11 tesselation:




Finally, a CryEngine 3 demo with Eyefinity:


Source.
 
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