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Skywalker12345 · Nov 30, 2009

so should i leave mine locked? i had successes unlocking the 4th core plenty of times by changing the firmware but i didnt know it could kill my baby

TheMailMan78 · Nov 30, 2009

lucasweir said:
so should i leave mine locked? i had successes unlocking the 4th core plenty of times by changing the firmware but i didnt know it could kill my baby

Yes. Keep it locked. It was locked for a reason.

Skywalker12345 · Nov 30, 2009

ya thats true ha. is there a link to this story? i wanna see what happened

TheMailMan78 · Nov 30, 2009

Man there are a few links to the saga. Just look up my name and "Threads Started"

Zubasa · Nov 30, 2009

lucasweir said:
why what happened?

He unlocked the 4th core and now do you notice that he own a 955. :ohwell:

evilwillie0614 · Dec 1, 2009

unlock core

Zubasa said:
That Athlon II 620 is already a Quad-Core

yah dude athlon IIx4 is quad but correct me if im wrong,it only has L2 cache which is the reason why its cheaper than other quad & being L2 cache in quad is not that edge right? Bout the unlocking.. It too scarry for me.. Heheh i think i have to go for corsair 500watt for my upgrades incase,. Psu is very important so DONT GO CHEAPEE... :toast:

evilwillie0614 · Dec 1, 2009

unlocked core

Zubasa said:
He unlocked the 4th core and now do you notice that he own a 955.

unlocking core to go quad and now his using 955 heheh.. Him self is not satisfied on what he've done. :toast:

crazyeyesreaper · Dec 1, 2009

yea unlocking is a mixed bag it can kill ya or make u happy if u have a pair of titanium balls and well if i had the board and a 720be id try it cause thats what its about in pushing hardware.

anyway i vote for the 720BE it will overclock further then the athlon II x4 620 meaning in apps and games that prefer clock speed the 720BE has the advantage in games that like L3 cache again most modern games the 720BE again will have the advantage when both are compared stock vs overclocked.

the 720BE is also a more tried and true cpu more ppl know exactly whats it capable of and in the scheme of things that 720be will in games walk all over the x4 620

eitherway its up to you to make a decision but im fairly sure most AMD users that game at all will recommend the 720BE and those that encode etc will recommend the x4 620. In my case i still prefer the 720BE its a black edition is easier to overclock has L3 cache and a dedicated user base and its usually safer and easier to overclock an AMD cpu with the multi then it is by FSB

namely multiplier overclock then use FSB to gain that little extra XD

evilwillie0614 · Dec 1, 2009

620 vs 720be

crazyeyesreaper said:
yea unlocking is a mixed bag it can kill ya or make u happy if u have a pair of titanium balls and well if i had the board and a 720be id try it cause thats what its about in pushing hardware.

anyway i vote for the 720BE it will overclock further then the athlon II x4 620 meaning in apps and games that prefer clock speed the 720BE has the advantage in games that like L3 cache again most modern games the 720BE again will have the advantage when both are compared stock vs overclocked.

the 720BE is also a more tried and true cpu more ppl know exactly whats it capable of and in the scheme of things that 720be will in games walk all over the x4 620 eitherway its up to you to make a decision but im fairly sure most AMD users that game at all will recommend the 720BE and those that encode etc will recommend the x4 620. In my case i still prefer the 720BE its a black edition is easier to overclock has L3 cache and a dedicated user base and its usually safer and easier to overclock an AMD cpu with the multi then it is by FSB

namely multiplier overclock then use FSB to gain that little extra XD

Do you guys know MBE-1 classified? It is powered by the best core. The oldspark! Joke..

how do learn this things guys? Oh well im noob thats why. 3days ago 3parts of computer is all i know.. :cry:

Lionheart · Dec 1, 2009

PII X3 720 all the way dude!

Zubasa · Dec 1, 2009

evilwillie0614 said:
yah dude athlon IIx4 is quad but correct me if im wrong,it only has L2 cache which is the reason why its cheaper than other quad & being L2 cache in quad is not that edge right? Bout the unlocking.. It too scarry for me.. Heheh i think i have to go for corsair 500watt for my upgrades incase,. Psu is very important so DONT GO CHEAPEE...

The L3 really isn't as important as it looks, especially in gamming the GPU matters much more than the CPU.
On average its around 5~10% at most.
In fact the L3 doesn't really yield much of a performance increase unless you do alot of Video transcoding/File Compression/3D rendering (things like AutoCAD).

If you don't already own that 9800GT I suggest you get at lease a HD5750.

crazyeyesreaper · Dec 1, 2009

well i see the x4 620 behind by some 20fps in are very own TPU review so ill leave the link to the entire review for are OP here

http://techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Athlon_II_X4_620/1.html

in threaded apps the x4 620 pulls ahead by a small amount in just about every gaming test the x3 720be walks all over the x4 620

and everyone knows the 720be will OC further then a x4 620

or at least do so much much easier as with the P2 BE series u really can just up the multi and add a voltage bump and get a good boost with a set it and forget it mentallity

ToTTenTranz · Dec 1, 2009

Zubasa said:
The L3 really isn't as important as it looks, especially in gamming the GPU matters much more than the CPU.
On average its around 5~10% at most.
In fact the L3 doesn't really yield much of a performance increase unless you do alot of Video transcoding/File Compression/3D rendering (things like AutoCAD).

If you don't already own that 9800GT I suggest you get at least a HD5750.

THANK YOU.

I said exactly this a few posts back. Everyone seems so focused on the CPU when the biggest problem in his rig is definitely the graphics card.

It's a 2 year-old GPU. It has no DX10.1, no tesselation, it's not future-proof and it's underperforming for many recent games!

Get a better graphics card. The final result will be lot more obvious than having 3 or 4 cores, or L3 cache.

As soon as DX11 and OpenCL really kick in, the CPU will be left with a lot less tasks than it has today. It's better to have a GPU with a lot of free shader processors to do some paralel computing -> Go with a HD5770 or at least a HD5750.

As I said before, save on the CPU (Athlon II X3 i.e.), save on the motherboard (go with the 785G from Biostar) and get a better graphics card.

All this discussion about unlocking cores and disabled caches is completely irrelevant when you're seriously bottlenecked by the GPU.

About the power supply, we're talking here about a system that will consume around 200-250W, and the peak should hit around 300W. 380W should be tops if you overclock your CPU and GPU like hell. It's ridiculous to spend $100 on a 650W quality PSU.

Something like this is enough (and when I say "enough", we're already oversizing the power output to VERY safe levels):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171046
From Coolermaster, and it has dual 18A 12V rails - $35.

Or this, if you want something future-proof for upgrades:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017
Modular, from OCZ and has dual 25A 12V rails: $60.

A power supply has to be good, but it doesn't have to be expensive to suit your needs.

Zubasa · Dec 1, 2009

crazyeyesreaper said:
well i see the x4 620 behind by some 20fps in are very own TPU review so ill leave the link to the entire review for are OP here

http://techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Athlon_II_X4_620/1.html

in threaded apps the x4 620 pulls ahead by a small amount in just about every gaming test the x3 720be walks all over the x4 620

and everyone knows the 720be will OC further then a x4 620 or at least do so much much easier as with the P2 BE series u really can just up the multi and add a voltage bump and get a good boost with a set it and forget it mentallity

Well in gamming it is really down to the 720BE being clock a bit higher and also has an L3

The fact that many games don't utilize Quad-Cores also gives the 720 an edge.

Those test are meant to compare CPU power, so it is set up to be CPU bound at lower quality setting.
Honestly, do you truly thinks that the 9800GT will manage 100+ FPS @1920x1080 at higher settings?

Games tend to become more GPU bound as resolution and quality increases, so I still stands that the quad-core is the better overall choice.
Spend the $20 dollar you save from the getting 620 on the GPU.

TheMailMan78 · Dec 1, 2009

ToTTenTranz said:
THANK YOU.

I said exactly this a few posts back. Everyone seems so focused on the CPU when the biggest problem in his rig is definitely the graphics card.

It's a 2 year-old GPU. It has no DX10.1, no tesselation, it's not future-proof and it's underperforming for many recent games!

Get a better graphics card. The final result will be lot more obvious than having 3 or 4 cores, or L3 cache.

As soon as DX11 and OpenCL really kick in, the CPU will be left with a lot less tasks than it has today. It's better to have a GPU with a lot of free shader processors to do some paralel computing -> Go with a HD5770 or at least a HD5750.

As I said before, save on the CPU (Athlon II X3 i.e.), save on the motherboard (go with the 785G from Biostar) and get a better graphics card.

All this discussion about unlocking cores and disabled caches is completely irrelevant when you're seriously bottlenecked by the GPU.

About the power supply, we're talking here about a system that will consume around 200-250W, and the peak should hit around 300W. 380W should be tops if you overclock your CPU and GPU like hell. It's ridiculous to spend $100 on a 650W quality PSU.

Something like this is enough (and when I say "enough", we're already oversizing the power output to VERY safe levels):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171046
From Coolermaster, and it has dual 18A 12V rails - $35.

Or this, if you want something future-proof for upgrades:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017
Modular, from OCZ and has dual 25A 12V rails: $60.

A power supply has to be good, but it doesn't have to be expensive to suit your needs.

OK first off this is this guys first build. He needs a good medium sized PSU for when he upgrades. He's going to upgrade I assure you of that. We all did on our first build. Its like a drug and you know it. If he doesn't right away he can in the future without an issue. I wish I had done the same.

Also everyone is suggesting a better CPU because of a few things.
A. The CPU he picked is good for this generation of games. Not the next. Hes screwed in a few months.
B. You replace your CPU FAR less than the GPU. A 720BE will last him years instead of months. The second he upgrades the GPU guess what. The CPU will be the bottleneck. However not with the 720BE

Last but not least the 9800 is a good card. But for the same price I would look at a 4850.

evilwillie0614 · Dec 1, 2009

focus on gpu.

Zubasa said:
Well in gamming it is really down to the 720BE being clock a bit higher and also has an L3
The fact that many games don't utilize Quad-Cores also gives the 720 an edge.

Those test are meant to compare CPU power, so it is set up to be CPU bound at lower quality setting.
Honestly, do you truly thinks that the 9800GT will manage 100+ FPS @1920x1080 at higher settings?

Games tend to become more GPU bound as resolution and quality increases, so I still stands that the quad-core is the better overall choice.
Spend the $20 dollar you save from the getting 620 on the GPU.

first of all thx for your expert advice guys.. My 9800gt is a gift from my frend a year ago but if you guys saying that i should focus on gpu to get a better gaming expirience then i dont mind spending 100$ on a new gpu. So how do you think about this?
Phenom IIx2 550
Asus m4785-m evo
4gb ddr3 1333mhz
Sapphire radeon hd 5770
500gb 7200rpm wd hd
Coolermaster nv960 mid tower
Coolermaster 500watts dual rail :eek:

Zubasa · Dec 1, 2009

evilwillie0614 said:
first of all thx for your expert advice guys.. My 9800gt is a gift from my frend a year ago but if you guys saying that i should focus on gpu to get a better gaming expirience then i dont mind spending 100$ on a new gpu. So how do you think about this?
Phenom IIx2 550
Asus m4785-m evo
4gb ddr3 1333mhz
Sapphire radeon hd 5770
500gb 7200rpm wd hd
Coolermaster nv960 mid tower
Coolermaster 500watts dual rail

You have a mid-tower, so go with an ATX board.
The Gigabyte GA-MA-770T-UD3P or the ASUS M4A77TD are some good examples.
You are using a dedicated graphics card so the 780G/785G/790GX aren't doing any good.

May I ask what model is that 9800GT?
It might be worth going SLI 9800GT for some decent performance. But in that case you will need to get a board with nVidia Chipset.

TheMailMan78 · Dec 1, 2009

Zubasa said:
You have a mid-tower, so go with an ATX board.
The Gigabyte GA-MA-770T-UD3P or the ASUS M4A77TD are some good examples.
You are using a dedicated graphics card so the 780G/785G/790GX aren't doing any good.

May I ask what model is that 9800GT?
It might be worth going SLI 9800GT for some decent performance. But in that case you will need to get a board with nVidia Chipset.

There is nothing wrong with a good 790GX board. Just make sure its DDR3.

Lionheart · Dec 1, 2009

get the ASUS Crosshair III, lmao!!!

evilwillie0614 · Dec 1, 2009

sli 9800gt

Zubasa said:
You have a mid-tower, so go with an ATX board.
The Gigabyte GA-MA-770T-UD3P or the ASUS M4A77TD are some good examples.
You are using a dedicated graphics card so the 780G/785G/790GX aren't doing any good.

May I ask what model is that 9800GT?
It might be worth going SLI 9800GT for some decent performance. But in that case you will need to get a board with nVidia Chipset.

well its SLi but im planning to use amd phenom so i'll be using 5770 radeon so ill have a bit kick when it comes to gpu and i dont have much budget to buy some highend mobo so i think ill keep my mobo coz they say its not that bad coz its crossfire ready. :ohwell:

JrRacinFan · Dec 1, 2009

TheMailMan78 said:
There is nothing wrong with a good 790GX board. Just make sure its DDR3.

Actually, onboard video can be a lifesaver sometimes.

TheMailMan78 · Dec 1, 2009

JrRacinFan said:
Actually, onboard video can be a lifesaver sometimes.

Its bailed my ass out a few times.

Lionheart · Dec 1, 2009

if ur getting a 790GX mobo, get a biostar one, they were good to me and much cheaper compared to other brands!

evilwillie0614 · Dec 1, 2009

bailed ass

TheMailMan78 said:
Its bailed my ass out a few times.

can you explain to me why onboard gpu is not good? Coz in a bit noob here so explaining it will help me alot in my future projects.

Zubasa · Dec 1, 2009

TheMailMan78 said:
There is nothing wrong with a good 790GX board. Just make sure its DDR3.

The 790GX board is pretty much a paradox.

Why do you want CFX with Onboard in the same chipset?
The only reason will be to save your ass when you screwed up a VGA bios,
but in that case another card in the other slot will do. :respect:

evilwillie0614 said:
can you explain to me why onboard gpu is not good? Coz in a bit noob here so explaining it will help me alot in my future projects.

You don't want extra transistor count when you don't need it, it creates extra heat and power consumption thus affects OC on the ext. northbridge.
At lease this is true for the G35 and G45 chipsets. (Which the entire northbridge is external)

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