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jlewis02 said:

Im at 960mhz right now and the temps are good I think.

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Is that idle or load? If it idle I would watch out!

100% load

jlewis02 said:

100% load

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Then you're fine.

It just crashes when I load it at 980mhz no matter what I do so I guess my card is maxed out at 975mhz.

jlewis02 said:

It just crashes when I load it at 980mhz no matter what I do so I guess my card is maxed out at 975mhz.

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Did you up the volts?

I set it at 1.35v and its the same.

Tatty_One said:

Got my Asus (<-corrected butt typo there ) HD5850 DirectCU card finally tested today, bad news..... it's not reference..... good news is it has Asus Smartdoctor for voltage tweaks.

she runs very cool with this excellent cooler, even at 1.25V the GPU does not go above 62C but thats with fan at 100%, on default volts at 900Mhz she dont go much into the 60's even with auto fan running at 38% and totally silent.

Edit: it has an 8 pin and 6 pin PCI-E connector.

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8pin sounds good, moor powah! Are the pipes 8mm? Did you happen to take the cooler off and some pics? <- edit: never mind, forgot W1zzard already took those.

Does the smartdoctor remember voltage after you shut it down? Can to voltage be lowered too? Auto fan hits 38% max?

Could be the choice for me, once prices drop, Will be harder and harder getting those reference design cards.

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OnBoard said:

8pin sounds good, moor powah! Are the pipes 8mm? Did you happen to take the cooler off and some pics? <- edit: never mind, forgot W1zzard already took those.

Does the smartdoctor remember voltage after you shut it down? Can to voltage be lowered too? Auto fan hits 38% max?

Could be the choice for me, once prices drop, Will be harder and harder getting those reference design cards.

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Lol.... in the order you asked (you got the yes answer on the 8mm point from Wiz's review):

1. Yes, it asks if you want to maintain the changes once closed.
2. Yes, but only tried it to 1.05V.... will try some more shortly, I'm having damn Win 7 issues ATM!
3. Auto fan didn't need to go higher than the 38% to keep it in the 60's when on STOCK volts at 900mhz, I havent yet tried auto fan at 1000mhz on 1.250V.

OK, Update as of Monday Night........

I have been tweaking the card, it turns out that the CCC upper limit is 1200mhz..... very useful! So now all I need is Smartdoctor for voltage which goes upto 1.35V (remembering the card is non reference) and CCC overdrive.

I set the volts to 1.250V and the max I can achieve is 1005mhz, now thats using 15 minutes of Furmark, 15 minutes of OCCT GPU Stress test and a full 3D Mark 2006 run. The amazing thing is this cooler, it also has heatsinks for all the PWM's/regulators and the fan blows over all of it, I have added an Antec Spot cooler just to blow up between the shroud and PCB, during all of those tests with the fan at 100% (silly not to go max when overvolting.... at least initially). the GPU never climbed above 65C and the VDDC stayed in the mid 70's C, this cooler really is the dog's whatsits!

I have just updated my Motherboard BIOS so none of my high overclock settings remain, so I was just running the CPU at 3.62gig with all background proggies running and I hit 24K in 3D Mark 2006 ! The max juice I am prepared to run through her for benching is 1.275V (Yes I know, I am a scared old man now!), I am hoping to hit near to 1050mhz with that.

Once I have pushed as far as I am "willing" to go, I will step up the CPU to 4.3gig and do a full 2006 and Vantage run to see where I am.

nice tatty. i have this card, as well as a TOP version in crossfire. they're very nice cards imo. i've been having some freezing issues but i'm working them out i think.

Well the VF1000 + stock plate do pretty decently. I got the VRMs just below 90C with Furmark, and that's with the fan on half speed.
The stock cooler cools better on 50%, but on the same noise level (which would be ~15% stock cooler speed) it's useless.

Also take note I didn't use any heatsinks. Just stock plate + VF1000

Whoo hoo! my 5850 came in the mail, and EARLY!, have you ever heard of such a thing? lol..
Kinda sad I'm still waiting on the new HDD. I'd rather do everything at once, so I'll wait a day or two until I get the new HDD, reformat and install fresh, clean, drivers on a brand new system. I am so looking forward to this, might get metro 2033 just to see dx11.

D007 said:

Whoo hoo! my 5850 came in the mail, and EARLY!, have you ever heard of such a thing? lol..
Kinda sad I'm still waiting on the new HDD. I'd rather do everything at once, so I'll wait a day or two until I get the new HDD, reformat and install fresh, clean, drivers on a brand new system. I am so looking forward to this, might get metro 2033 just to see dx11.

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A single 5850 has a hard time with Metro. You can run some things lower and still have DX11 though. Dirt 2 looks great in DX11 and Battlefield BC2, if you're into that.

It can't run any worse than an 8800gtx..lol So regardless I'm happy. Don't play bfbc2, though I thought about it, don't play to much racing games now a days ..XD
How hard of a time could it have exactly? like what I can't run it at 16xAA? lol. Not buggin me in the least, I'll just run 8xAA and max everything else.
I haven't even opened the box yet, but I bet it's perty.

One thing that is very clear to me with these 5850's...... when compared to my 4890 the IQ is so much nicer on the 5850.

jlewis02 said:

I set it at 1.35v and its the same.

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TBH, if 1.35V won't get you 1000mhz then as you have probably gathered, your GPU is probably maxed out, personally I wouldn't even entertain anything near that even on water, for me with good custom air cooling I won't go past 1.275V which currently is getting me about 1030mhz once you get to a point, it takes a lotta juice just to move up 10 or 15mhz I am finding.

D007 said:

It can't run any worse than an 8800gtx..lol So regardless I'm happy. Don't play bfbc2, though I thought about it, don't play to much racing games now a days ..XD
How hard of a time could it have exactly? like what I can't run it at 16xAA? lol. Not buggin me in the least, I'll just run 8xAA and max everything else.
I haven't even opened the box yet, but I bet it's perty.

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Depending on your resolution, you will probably have to turn AA off, or set it to AAA. According to HardOCP, the highest playable settings were "high" with no AA at 1920x1200, as opposed to the "very high" settings of the 5870:

http://www2.hardocp.com/article/2010/04/05/metro_2033_directx_11_gameplay_performance_iq/4

Other sites seem to echo the fact that Metro is an extremely demanding game. Bear in mind that this is a TWIMTBP game and ATI will probably improve performance slightly with new drivers now that the game is released; however, I wouldn't expect any miracle cure. Nevertheless, I do think that the highest playable game settings published by HardOCP present too wide a gap between the 5850 and the 5870 - they aren't that different, are they? The game even stresses the 480. Moreover, the framerates provided for Nvidia cards in reviews are questionable. It seems that the 480 and 470 default to high settings even when very high settings are selected. This is being blamed on driver issues, but very few sites will return to their review to rectify the comparison if and when this mysterious "driver issue" is sorted out, so we may be receiving a false impression of the relative performance of the Nvidia cards.

Many people are switching to DirectX 10 for this title and are reporting little or no loss of image quality, whilst doubling fps and it seems that the "depth of field" can stress even the most powerful cards currently available. Due to the demands it places on the entire system, Metro is being touted as the new Crysis. Whether or not the system requirements point the way to what we can expect to see in games in the immediate future or whether they can be attributed to poor implementation of DirectX 11 features remains to be seen.

I have no experience with the game, but even if the 5850 forces you to crank down a few features, it should still be visually stunning.

Well I just overclocked it and tested it for a while in heaven and 3dmark06.
Looking like 1.237v for 950/1100. I'll stay with that as any gain beyond it seems to either crash or would require to much voltage to be recommendable in my situation. I'm quite pleased with those clocks though. Handles much better than my 8800gtx did

I run at 1920x1080 btw, should be a little easier than 1900x1200 at least. Good to know, ty.

Thanks for nothing Nvidia! 5800 series cards have only gotten more expensive like I thought they might. My non-ref Sapphire 5850 still the cheapest at the Egg-$315 w free shipping. I bought it Fermi launch day for $279 shipped. The other $299 models like that Powercolor are long gone.

Spotted this:
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog...c-Cooling-Accelero-Twin-Turbo-Pro::14292.html

Twin Turbo Pro has a new revision out that is compatible with 5850. Isn't even mentiod yet on Arctic Cooling page, so coolers in store not counting caseking might still need modding.

very good find!!!! Mine is 'for 5870' and has no cut out part.

Through stroke of massive luck, I won a Gigabyte 5850 OC 1GB card in an internet contest! And now I'm glad to be a club member. Hope to learn a lot from you folks!

Guys, how do i OC past 850Mhz in a 5850? I tried the AB tweak, but its sucks

douglatins said:

Guys, how do i OC past 850Mhz in a 5850? I tried the AB tweak, but its sucks

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How do you mean "sucks"? Install Afterburner then go edit the .cfg file to allow "UnofficialATiOverclocking", save then overclock.

did you change the CFG file in AB?