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Link Someone somewhere will get DX10 working right on XP. Screw M$ and their shitty Vista their trying to force down everybodys throats.
 
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TY for this useful post, soon I will go back to xp, I have to many problems that I never had with xp eg. open a drive and it partially crashes b4 fully loading. dont ask lol
 

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great news :D
 
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well to be honest I wasnt gona switch the vista anyways,lol...thats sorta like asking a straight guy to be gay...not gonna happen
 
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while i believe it is good that dx10 will be made available to other os's than vista it still has to be noted that it is emulated dx10 and thus there will be a performance hit...

also the lead programmer is 19... now i have nothing against age (i'm a 20 year old programmer lol) but i question his experience (not skill) to fill that essential role...

and finally whoes to say microsoft isn't going to do what microsoft always doees and squash these people... One of the key draws microsoft has to vista is dx10 and they wont want to lose that... anyways surely they are gonna have to reverse engineer dx10 to do this, i question the legality of that lol
 
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also the lead programmer is 19... now i have nothing against age (i'm a 20 year old programmer lol) but i question his experience (not skill) to fill that essential role...

His lack of experience(exposure)may indeed be his strongest asset as well as his initiative;)
 

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while i believe it is good that dx10 will be made available to other os's than vista it still has to be noted that it is emulated dx10 and thus there will be a performance hit...

also the lead programmer is 19... now i have nothing against age (i'm a 20 year old programmer lol) but i question his experience (not skill) to fill that essential role...

and finally whoes to say microsoft isn't going to do what microsoft always doees and squash these people... One of the key draws microsoft has to vista is dx10 and they wont want to lose that... anyways surely they are gonna have to reverse engineer dx10 to do this, i question the legality of that lol

Lack of experience is a good thing, it leads to the guy having a "pure" mind, thus enabling him to consider and think out of the box. I'm only 22, yet look at how much I know and can effectively apply. Some people are naturally extremely technically minded, its always these people that will have the grand visions and ideas, most of which people may say is not possible, but with enough deterimation anything is possible.
 

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Heresanother snippet of interest. Be sure to click the hyperlink and check the links from the inq, their far more credible than the inq.
 
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Link Someone somewhere will get DX10 working right on XP. Screw M$ and their shitty Vista their trying to force down everybodys throats.

btw, would u quit with ur vista bashing? its like everytime u post its screw vista this, shitty vista that..

fair enuff, theres a SLIGHT performance drop in vista on SOME games, but on the latest hardware who gives a f**k

im happy with vista, works great, and i bet so are many others...

you dont like vista, good for you, but i do

Edit: ive ran dual boot xp and vista, and now just use vista, once ive removed some start up stuff the ram usage is down to what xp was, the performance is ace, the only thing thats wrong is atitool, but thats coz i got a 1gb 2900xt which aint supported yet. i have ZERO game problems, everything works sweet, and looks damn nicer than xp

and no1 is ramming anything down any1's throats.

what about dx10 cards????? if you want to play in dx10 u gotta buy a dx10 card ffs!! its like saying my poor dx9 card wont run dx10... and they r forcing us to upgrade

im not trying to be hostile, but having seen you complain so many times its getting a bit tiring, especially whenthey are your oppinions, and you may very well be putting peeps off getting vista when its perfectly fine as an os
 
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btw, would u quit with ur vista bashing? its like everytime u post its screw vista this, shitty vista that..

fair enuff, theres a SLIGHT performance drop in vista on SOME games, but on the latest hardware who gives a f**k

im happy with vista, works great, and i bet so are many others...

you dont like vista, good for you, but i do

Edit: ive ran dual boot xp and vista, and now just use vista, once ive removed some start up stuff the ram usage is down to what xp was, the performance is ace, the only thing thats wrong is atitool, but thats coz i got a 1gb 2900xt which aint supported yet. i have ZERO game problems, everything works sweet, and looks damn nicer than xp

and no1 is ramming anything down any1's throats.

what about dx10 cards????? if you want to play in dx10 u gotta buy a dx10 card ffs!! its like saying my poor dx9 card wont run dx10... and they r forcing us to upgrade

im not trying to be hostile, but having seen you complain so many times its getting a bit tiring, especially whenthey are your oppinions, and you may very well be putting peeps off getting vista when its perfectly fine as an os
I agree that the performance is a moot point. There are much more important fundamental issues.
 
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Vista is not that bad, get over it. The biggest problem is it requires better and faster hardware and if you have it there is hardly a noticible difference. There are improvments from XP and the SP1 will take care the little issues.

AS far as DX10 on XP, that is old news just like Demulta said. I read that article months ago and even if he did get it working would there not be legal implications for him?

Vista is the future, people hated XP when it came out as I recall, their 98 and ME machines had a hard time running it...

Future>Vista, get used to it, it will not change....
 

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btw, would u quit with ur vista bashing? its like everytime u post its screw vista this, shitty vista that..

fair enuff, theres a SLIGHT performance drop in vista on SOME games, but on the latest hardware who gives a f**k

im happy with vista, works great, and i bet so are many others...

you dont like vista, good for you, but i do

Edit: ive ran dual boot xp and vista, and now just use vista, once ive removed some start up stuff the ram usage is down to what xp was, the performance is ace, the only thing thats wrong is atitool, but thats coz i got a 1gb 2900xt which aint supported yet. i have ZERO game problems, everything works sweet, and looks damn nicer than xp

and no1 is ramming anything down any1's throats.

what about dx10 cards????? if you want to play in dx10 u gotta buy a dx10 card ffs!! its like saying my poor dx9 card wont run dx10... and they r forcing us to upgrade

im not trying to be hostile, but having seen you complain so many times its getting a bit tiring, especially whenthey are your oppinions, and you may very well be putting peeps off getting vista when its perfectly fine as an os

Actually the only one attempting to make a mountain out of nothing is you. I'm not saying anything apart from DX10 could be reverse engineered for XP, and as M$ threw a lifeline to nVidia by making virtualisable memory completely optional for DX10 instead of part of its mandatory standards (which was the ONLY thing with any valid credibility why DX10 couldnt work on XP) its just yet another reason why Vista is not worth using. For your viewing pleasure feel free to read these links;1. 2 3 4
 
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I agree that the performance is a moot point. There are much more important fundamental issues.

but performance and principal is a different thing, but i do appreciate that and am not against it.

I, out of principal will never buy Nvidia or intel, and will always support ATI / AMD,

BUT

to press oppinions like this, albeit a supposidly good cause onto others trying to influence them by saying vista is just bad bad bad isnt fair, because performance wise its not bad at all..

it is just the first os that requires pretty decent hardware to run effectivly, which if u think about it is no problem, coz the latest games DEMAND this hardware
 
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but Ket.. with opening statements like this

"Screw M$ and their shitty Vista"

can you see where im coming from? it just sounds like a constant bash on vista

i do agree about the virtualisation bit, ATI worked on getting that working only to have that work pulled from under them..
 
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but performance and principal is a different thing, but i do appreciate that and am not against it.

I, out of principal will never buy Nvidia or intel, and will always support ATI / AMD,

BUT

to press oppinions like this, albeit a supposidly good cause onto others trying to influence them by saying vista is just bad bad bad isnt fair, because performance wise its not bad at all..

it is just the first os that requires pretty decent hardware to run effectivly, which if u think about it is no problem, coz the latest games DEMAND this hardware

great point mandelore.

Look DRM is horrible and as far as I ma concerned the only thing that is bad about this OS. People will find a way around it..
 
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another point ket, ive never said dx10 on xp is bad or anything alike, that wasnt my reason for posting :)

if peeps can get it to work on xp that would be sweet, but would there be a performance penalty? or would the penalty just be the same as opengl in vista? which is pretty much ok now? and i will read those links, i believe ive already read a couple, but no harm in reading up
 

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Its not a bash its an opinion, just like you have yours. I done insane amounts of research on Vista as I always do with any OS, and there are so many things about it that are plain horrible its rediculous. Just do some research on Vists for yourself. In a nutshell Vista has been repeatedly refferred to as a "ME II" or an "Extremely paranoid OS", among many other questionable aspects about Vista, such as it completely butchering audio by removing hardware support for it and the only way around it is for manufacturers to expend a lot of money creating expensive, complex drivers. Then people wonder and start bitching when some companies propose the idea of starting to charge for new drivers :rolleyes: companies cant continuously expend that sort of money without having some way of regaining at least some of the costs or they would fold in no time flat.
 

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but performance and principal is a different thing, but i do appreciate that and am not against it.

[...]

it is just the first os that requires pretty decent hardware to run effectivly, which if u think about it is no problem, coz the latest games DEMAND this hardware
You haven't read TPU much since I've joined have you? I don't give a damn about games, because I don't play them. Therefore, that's a moot point in my mind, and the mind of any non-gamer. If you were adding a point to a wider audience, then you should have preceeded it with something to the effect of "As for those who play games, ...".
 
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i do know what you mean, i was horrified when i realised my spanky new xf-i fatality sound card was a bit nerfed, but some of the other bad things are easily worked around or disabled (or effectivly ignored) its not a perfect os, and id love to see a few more things (and a few less) but on the whole its still not bad. I made that decision after comparing both xp and vista on my rig, and since i wanted fully supported dx10, and i liked the feel to the os i decided to go with vista. there were a few initial teething problems with my games, but subsiquent catalyst releases solved everyone of them. Creative alchemy also made some improvements to a few no openal games.

I do know where you are coming from with your thoughts, but i must just be a bit more tollerant to the changes in this os. I think xp is da bomb, and vista could have been so much more, but it hasnt faired to badly and is still a good os imo
 
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Its not a bash its an opinion, just like you have yours. I done insane amounts of research on Vista as I always do with any OS, and there are so many things about it that are plain horrible its rediculous. Just do some research on Vists for yourself. In a nutshell Vista has been repeatedly refferred to as a "ME II" or an "Extremely paranoid OS", among many other questionable aspects about Vista, such as it completely butchering audio by removing hardware support for it and the only way around it is for manufacturers to expend a lot of money creating expensive, complex drivers. Then people wonder and start bitching when some companies propose the idea of starting to charge for new drivers :rolleyes: companies cant continuously expend that sort of money without having some way of regaining at least some of the costs or they would fold in no time flat.

Your refering to Creative I believe? They knew full well MS was going to rewrite the sound and just like the graphics companies knew they were going to rewrite the video, they all had ample amounts of time to write the software/drivers during the betas. Also many companies gave us the "Vista Ready" for their hardware even though the software was not ready, but they kept selling under that pretence. Creative makes their money and I am one who paid good money for one. lets not forget the bad bios with N4Chipsets and the BSOD it would give in XP. I and others had bigtime issues with it with XP and just losing EAX3 for a short time in Vista was not a big deal. That is not MS's fault period.. I also believe the primary reason MS did this with the sound to keep the Kernel as isolated as possible for stability and more importantly security.

Look with all the piracy in the world what did we expect MS to do? Hollywood is very influencial the fact is the OS runs my games fine and plays my music and movies and everything else I ask of it.
 
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You haven't read TPU much since I've joined have you? I don't give a damn about games, because I don't play them. Therefore, that's a moot point in my mind, and the mind of any non-gamer. If you were adding a point to a wider audience, then you should have preceeded it with something to the effect of "As for those who play games, ...".

well.. being on tpu everyday may say otherwise :p u joined in 2006, so did i , so what are you saying? im blind? dont be silly, you know fine well the majority of peeps here play games on their pc's for the most part

and im speaking reguarding games as thats what most peeps here like to do! :p

Atech, im sorry if you feel offended by my lack of personal knowledge of you, but ive never conversed with you as far as i believe, and dont read up on every single member :rolleyes:

but as the whole, when im speaking about hardware or an os in terms of performance, its usually with reguards to gaming in some shape or form :toast:
 
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Im not by any means a good with computers as most of u guys on here but my biggest problem with vista was the fact that the dx10 games like Company of Heros played like Sh!t on it but with the newest drivers and patch that came out its over double my frames rates in it and i am now very happy with it. Before i had to leave everything at medium just to make it playable, now everything is high/ultra with the exception of textures cause i have a 320meg card. GRAW 2 Looks beautiful ( i know not dx10) but still. Next ill be trying LOST PLANET to see how that runs. All in all they making great progress with Vista so in time it will be as good as Xp. Just my thoughts. Hell with xp it coldnt find my drivers for my old SB live 5.1digital card, and after ours someone who had the same problem found them for me. I installed vista and it had those drivers in mins. Now if i could run at a higher res then 1024x768 i would run vista 24/7


Thanks for listening lol
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Im not by any means a good with computers as most of u guys on here but my biggest problem with vista was the fact that the dx10 games like Company of Heros played like Sh!t on it but with the newest drivers and patch that came out its over double my frames rates in it and i am now very happy with it. Before i had to leave everything at medium just to make it playable, now everything is high/ultra with the exception of textures cause i have a 320meg card. GRAW 2 Looks beautiful ( i know not dx10) but still. Next ill be trying LOST PLANET to see how that runs. All in all they making great progress with Vista so in time it will be as good as Xp. Just my thoughts. Hell with xp it coldnt find my drivers for my old SB live 5.1digital card, and after ours someone who had the same problem found them for me. I installed vista and it had those drivers in mins. Now if i could run at a higher res then 1024x768 i would run vista 24/7


Thanks for listening lol
Boneface

great to hear your getting a better gaming experience, and a good point about one feature i love about vista, i didnt really need to install anything driver wise, it all just detected, installed, and if it wasnt present it auto downloaded for me :)
 

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lol Ketxxx said I done insane! Vista.. eh who cares until I see a reason for DX10.
 
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