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Ok, I seemed to have fixed my issue with my card! (hopefully, this time...)

If you've read my previous posts, you'll remember that I installed the latest drivers for my Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty card (SBXF_PCDRV_LB_2_15_0006.exe) and then found that my sound was 'crackling' and 'popping'. Yes, I fell victim to the "Windows XP x64 + 4GB Ram" issue (despite everything working fine before).

I worked around this issue by lowering my hardware acceleration. While this fixed the problem it disabled the nice features of my card and gaming audio.

Anyway... I've just installed the latest BETA drivers (SBXF_PCDRVBETA_US_2_18_0000.exe). These claim to fix the 4GB issue. And, for once, I think they have!

So, if anyone else is having the same issues I would recommend getting the latest BETA drivers.

Hope this helps others! :)
 

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I might get in touch with creative,and ask if the titanium serious has "proper" working drivers on vista,and if you still need to use alchemy.Plus if the control panel works properly.

so your gonna email or call up creative & ask them if their platinum series cards have propper working drivers???

1. do not bite the hand that feeds you

2. are u nuts???

3. get packing - their gonna send a meat truck full of crazy doctors to take you to the local funny farm..


working drivers from creative??? your having a laugh
 
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so your gonna email or call up creative & ask them if their platinum series cards have propper working drivers???

1. do not bite the hand that feeds you

2. are u nuts???

3. get packing - their gonna send a meat truck full of crazy doctors to take you to the local funny farm..


working drivers from creative??? your having a laugh

now, now . . . let's not rip on Creative too-too hard here; sure, we all know their driver releases can be buggy at times, but we've been seeing more beta releases recently - which says to me they've been trying to address issues.

But, I'd like to keep any Creative bashing to a minimum or non-existant in this thread. There's already too many other threads on the net that have been polluted with those kinds of posts.



Anyhow, there's a new review of the Titaniums out: http://whatifgaming.com/sound-blaster-x-fi-titanium-review

Sometime in the near future, I'll be adding these to the X-Fi product list in the OP, as well as also adding some info on the new Auzen, and for the Prelude as well.
 
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you think its worth it to upgrade from my XtremeMusic to the Titanium?
 

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you think its worth it to upgrade from my XtremeMusic to the Titanium?

TBH - probably not . . . hell, even the Fatal1ty Pro isn't really worth the upgrade from a XM. If you really need Dolby encoding, though, the Titanium is the only X-Fi (supposedly) with that capability fully supported; and compared to the price of an Auzen or Xonar.

Asides, though, as far as functionality is concerned, there is very little extra that the Titanium brings to the table over the XGFP, and there is very little functionality difference between the XGFP and the XM. The XM does have less onboard RAM, but the card is more suited for a wider range of tasks, whereas, although the XGFP can handle any type of task, it's more suited for gaming . . . same with the Titanium.
 
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...sure, we all know their driver releases can be buggy at times...

Understatement of the month.

Anyhow, I'm posting to let you know that the latest beta drivers from Creative somehow fixed my 4GB RAM problem. Well, not the drivers themselves, but the "firmware" update that sneaks in with them. I've got both ViSHTA and XP (well, triple boot, 2 installations of the same XP... that's OK, right?) and I only installed the Creative betas on my "test" XP. Curiously, now the sound quality (the popping/cracking part) is fine for all the boots without going to the beta drivers for them.

P.S: Imp, shouldn't it be "УлтраВаялет"
 
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Understatement of the month.

Anyhow, I'm posting to let you know that the latest beta drivers from Creative somehow fixed my 4GB RAM problem. Well, not the drivers themselves, but the "firmware" update that sneaks in with them. I've got both ViSHTA and XP (well, triple boot, 2 installations of the same XP... that's OK, right?) and I only installed the Creative betas on my "test" XP. Curiously, now the sound quality (the popping/cracking part) is fine for all the boots without going to the beta drivers for them.

nice to hear some feedback on the 4GB issue with the beta drivers, I've been starting to wonder if anyone has been able to have the issue resolved . . .

(and on a rather odd note, my father's system runs an Elite Pro on Vista64 with 8GB of RAM and has yet to even have a hiccup of a problem :confused:)


P.S: Imp, shouldn't it be "УлтраВаялет"


TBH, I didn't even know it could be spelled that way . . .

but, I thought in Russian, Ultraviolet was a compound word as it is with english - a prefix word "ултра-" followed by the noun form of "фиолет" . . . and considering the adjective form of ultraviolet is "ультрафиолетовый" . . .

but please, correct me if I'm wrong, Russian is not my native language by any means, and I'm still nowhere near fluent
 
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TBH - probably not . . . hell, even the Fatal1ty Pro isn't really worth the upgrade from a XM. If you really need Dolby encoding, though, the Titanium is the only X-Fi (supposedly) with that capability fully supported; and compared to the price of an Auzen or Xonar.

Asides, though, as far as functionality is concerned, there is very little extra that the Titanium brings to the table over the XGFP, and there is very little functionality difference between the XGFP and the XM. The XM does have less onboard RAM, but the card is more suited for a wider range of tasks, whereas, although the XGFP can handle any type of task, it's more suited for gaming . . . same with the Titanium.

thanks for the info. :cool:
 

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So, has anyone seen a shot of the Titanium naked yet? Should I consider getting one?
 

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So, has anyone seen a shot of the Titanium naked yet? Should I consider getting one?

nothing . . . yet :(

I'm still keeping a close watch out for some pics, though . . . I'm hoping a review by TechReport or Techgage isn't too much further off . . .




-edit-


come to think of it, I'm seriously starting to entertain the idea of purchasing one and doing a review for it . . . we'll see . . .
 
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creative suck*s
 
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creative suck*s

:shadedshu

exactly the kinds of posts that do not need to be in this thread. If you have nothing of any source or value to contribute, take it elsewhere.


Ninkobwi said:
I think this is interesting..semi-concerns the Daniel K drivers. Also interesting to see where the ASUS xonar came from

http://www.auzentech.com/site/compan...ers.php#regsys

very interesting, and sheds a lot more light on why Creative put a stop to his drivers as well (although, I fail to see why Creative couldn't have mentioned something like that to begin with - it would've avoided some part of the headache a couple of months ago).
 

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only thing about them is their driver support is very low.
 
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X-Fi brand extends to Zen players.

epiZENter, a fan site for Creative Labs MP3 Players, has revealed images and details of Creative's X-Fi branding, amalgamating into its ZEN line of MP3 players.

The Creative ZEN X-Fi, by accounts, perhaps leaves innovation fighting for a back seat and isn't, necessarily, a revolutionary step upwards from Creative's current ZEN line-up.

However, peering beneath the surface, Creative's X-Fi branding contributes more than just its name, by adding Crystallizer and Expand effects to the mix.

Take into account improved rated battery life (audio equalling 36 hours, up from 30 hours) together, with built-in Wi-Fi technology, to allow not only wireless streaming, but also instant messaging support via Windows Live Messenger or Yahoo! and, the ZEN X-Fi has, perhaps, better prospects.

 
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WoW! I'm glad to see my ideas in reality working well. The 16bit 48kHz (most used) gain was like 4dB for cooper simple heatsink!
WoW!
I thought the change was like minimal, but hey, this is worth every penny.
Of course with other opamps that are the picky LM4562 ones it might not be as great, since these LM4562 love to pick up noise from RFI and EMI as well...

Time to put the AD8599 ones there and see what it go!

PS. what about a nice pure cooper heatsink on the DAC, finally? :)
 
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I've been using the Daniel_k drivers and especially the Dolby Digital work around. All I have to say is I love watching movies again on my system. Before when watching movies the speakers would just change output, 5.1 to 2.1, on it's own and every single Creative driver I've tried never solved the issue. Found this, http://nomoregoatsoup.wordpress.com/x-fi-drivers/, and it's been aweswome.

What is the 4Gb issue? I've had 4Gb in my system since I've had my card and never really heard about an issue with 4Gb.
 

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WoW! I'm glad to see my ideas in reality working well. The 16bit 48kHz (most used) gain was like 4dB for cooper simple heatsink!
WoW!
I thought the change was like minimal, but hey, this is worth every penny.
Of course with other opamps that are the picky LM4562 ones it might not be as great, since these LM4562 love to pick up noise from RFI and EMI as well...

Time to put the AD8599 ones there and see what it go!

PS. what about a nice pure cooper heatsink on the DAC, finally? :)

I did that as well, along with a HS on the ADC for testing.

With the LM4562, frequency response improved a bit, as did noise level and dynamic range . . . but, you're right, the LM4562 pick up a ton of interference, as THD and IMD worsened - although, installation of copper HS over top of the OPAMPs, DAC and ADC brought distortion levels back down, and slightly better than the unmodified card. Still shows how much these cards could benefit from a true EMI shield.

True as well, there was more improvement with 48kHz sampling rates than 96kHz, and with 16b versus 24b.

just occured to me . . . I wonder as well, though, just how much intereference the BUS wire used in place of the output caps are introducing into the output . . . might have to rig something up and test that out - and try out the AD8599s this weekend as well . . .
 

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Thanks to KBD in this post for providing some images of the x-Fi Titanium sans EMI shield:




now that I can read the APU model, I was able to find some hi-res images of the Titanium from a Ukranian (I belive) site;


The Titanium PCB layout - notice the header seats for an internal HDMI hookup . . . possible we might see an HDMI-output capable X-Fi later down the road:




X-Fi CA20k2 APU (this, I believe, is a new APU entirelly) and DRAM module . . . the PICE bridge chip must be integrated in with the APU, as I see no evidence of one on the board - I'm a little puzzled as well why no HS on the APU, considering the increased bandwidth the card is capable of using through a PCIE slot compared to PCI :confused::




Digital to Analogue Converter, the same Cirrus Logic CS4382 used on other X-Fi models (except the XA and EP):




Analogue to Digital Converter, the same Wolfson WM8775SEDS used on other X-Fi models (except the XA and EP):




STMicroelectronics 4558C OPAMPs, same used on the X-Fi Fatal1ty card:
 
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Impressive. So the CA20K2 is a native PCI-E chip. Doesn't need a translation logic. This helps chop latencies big time. Everything else is the same, some conjested real estate on the PCB, though not a demerit as such.

CA20K1 was a 90nm fab process based, could this be a die shrunk? What are this chip's thermal properties? Was there a heatsink over it?
 

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Cooling Delta V3 block, XPSC res, 120x3 rad, ST 1/2" pump - 10 fans, SYSTRIN HDD cooler, Antec HDD cooler
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Impressive. So the CA20K2 is a native PCI-E chip. Doesn't need a translation logic. This helps chop latencies big time. Everything else is the same, some conjested real estate on the PCB, though not a demerit as such.

CA20K1 was a 90nm fab process based, could this be a die shrunk? What are this chip's thermal properties? Was there a heatsink over it?

not entirelly sure yet, as I haven't been able to dig up any other useful information on the APU. Here's the site I found the pics on: http://ko-online.com.ua/blogs/oleynik Some close up shots of the Xonar DX PCIE at the top of the page as well.

The CA20k2 does look like a die shrink, though, but it's kinda hard to tell. It almost appears to have an IHS over top of the unit itself, as one can't clearly see the PCB contact feet - unless there is a means of transferring heat to the EMI shield through use of thermal pads or otherwise (which wouldn't be the brightest move, IMO), I see no other means of passive cooling and no evidence of any HS having been installed . . . perhaps the units thermal properties have been improved enough as to not have additional need for one . . .

I wonder as well . . . the new Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater thats being prepped . . . could possibly be making use of this same processor as well considering it will support HDMI and the only specs Auzen have released claim the 'Audio Interface' to be a "Creative PCI Express X-Fi audio processor"

damn, we need some thorough reviews from sites that get the tech info on these things :p




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after looking further at the PCB design and layout, this card is extremely similar to the Fatal1ty card. Although quite a few components have been removed: the 10-pin proprietary f/p connect, the AUD_EXT connector, CD_IN, 4-pin molex, rear AUD_EXT support . . . and all the extra components associated with these circuits. In place of the multi-pin AUD_EXT connector at the back, they've included S/PDIF, and bumped up the mini-jack connectors from 4 to 5 (subwoofer now has it's own seperate channel). The removal of so many components will drastically cut down on audio latency at the PCB level, as well as PCB level EMI/RFI. Also appears to include an AC97/Azalia 10-pin f/p connector as well . . .

But, if you thought the Fatal1ty was one fast card . . . this beast should scream. I don't think there will be anything else on the market that will be able to touch this card in it's performance capability. I wish, though, there was some form of software bench test to be able to measure overall audio latency per number of voices being processed, from when a command is given to play the voices to when they're actually spit out, as well as rate the quality of the output files and percentage processed correctly.

Also of note, Creative must be specing out this card at either component quality, or through playback testing . . . much like ASUS and Auzentech have been doing. There is no way with that DAC and ADC combination they can achieve the specified ratings they've slapped on these cards (SNR 109dba, THD+N 0.004%) if tested in loopback modes.

Either way, if in the market for a high-quality-playback gaming audio card, this would well be worth the extra $10-$20 over the PCI Fatal1ty.

Still not fully compelling enough yet to warrant an upgrade from a PCI Fatal1ty.

I'd love to see the RMAA spectrum tests of this card, though . . .
 
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Just a heads-up on new X-Fi development:

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Cre...ital_Audio_Player_with_Wireless_LAN/5933.html

Apparently X-Fi technology is no longer limited to sound cards ...

Good? Bad? What do you think?

For myself I am just glad to finally see proper earphones bundled with the player and reasonable pricing (have to convert from Singapore dollars ==> $145US - 8GB $209US - 16 GB $254US - 32 GB).
 
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