The AM3 Club

EastCoasthandle · Feb 8, 2009

Super XP said:
I agree that we should be testing platforms. But we both know once the CPU's in those platforms have different speeds it will indead sway the benchmarks. The same thing applies with graphics, the faster the CPU core clock the better graphics cards scale in performance.

Between different platforms speeds don't matter IMO. We really don't need to see that having higher speed DDR3 and CPU is faster then lower speed DDR2 and CPU.

Super XP · Feb 8, 2009

EastCoasthandle said:
Between different platforms speeds don't matter. We really don't need to see that having DDR3 is faster then DDR2.

O.K. I didn't know that. We learn something new everyday. In some cases DDR2 outperforms DDR3, but overall DDR3 is superior to DDR2.

MilkyWay · Feb 8, 2009

how come they need to get a license from intel?
license are non transferable so they cant just buy a company up

amd and intel license goes back to the 80s thats how they have one

but is it like intel own the right to making cpus?

RevengE · Feb 8, 2009

When is the 950 at 3.1ghz coming out? I want one with an AM3 board!

Super XP · Feb 8, 2009

MilkyWay said:
how come they need to get a license from intel?
license are non transferable so they cant just buy a company up

amd and intel license goes back to the 80s thats how they have one

but is it like intel own the right to making cpus?

Intel owns x86 this is why Nvidia is waisting there time. I don't think Intel needs more competition. If it wasn't for IBM forcing Intel to let AMD use the x86, Intel would have had a massive monopoly.
Nvidia is trying to make an x86 chip
With no licence, this is going to be fun to watch
By Charlie Demerjian
Friday, 6 February 2009, 18:21
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/874/1050874/nvidia-trying-x86-chip

MilkyWay · Feb 9, 2009

okay i get it now, it dates back to the 80s tho i know that
via has a license but they are non transferable i know this coz nvidia wanted to buy via to get its license but couldnt and they wouldnt sell eitherway

does ibm have one and how is it forcing intel?

either way im gonna stick an am3 in an am2+ board, most likely the x3 720be

Urbklr · Feb 9, 2009

Anyone know if the X4 910 will be released within the next couple weeks? I'm going PII and would like to snag a AM3 one if possible

. Will the price be cheaper/same as the 920?

Kei · Feb 9, 2009

Paulieg said:
Hey man. Have you seem that Gigabyte board anywhere yet? The Asus board supports AM3, but it is NOT DDR3. It is currently available.

Relax my man, the ASUS board you're talking about is not the same board in the picture. ASUS is releasing multiple versions of the M4 board just like the M3 boards. The AM3 version is the one displayed in the picture names the M4A79T, the board you're thinking of that's already available is the M4A79....no "T" which is what they're using this time to designate the DDR3 board. You can already buy both versions of the M4 non "T" verions at newegg.

I'm waiting on the T version to be priced and released before I decide my AM3 plans. I'm thinking right now though that I'll end up with the 925 processor and the ASUS board, but time will tell once they are available.

Kei

Super XP · Feb 9, 2009

MilkyWay said:
okay i get it now, it dates back to the 80s tho i know that
via has a license but they are non transferable i know this coz nvidia wanted to buy via to get its license but couldnt and they wouldnt sell eitherway

does ibm have one and how is it forcing intel?

either way im gonna stick an am3 in an am2+ board, most likely the x3 720be

I am not sure how IBM forced Intel to release the x86 to AMD but what I do know is IBM has strong influence.

Somehow IBM, Micro$oft and Intel are intertwined with each other. They basically have the market by the balls and control the PC industry. But IBM will never (IMO) let AMD fail because Intel is too strong, AMD is needed to control Intel and to create choice and competition. Nvidia on the other hand lol, well once Intel releases there Larrabee Graphics Processor, Nvidia will unfortunately be squeezed out of the market which is why they really want a x86 CPU.

Intel will be the creators of the new upcoming PlayStation 4 for SONY.
ATI/AMD will be the creators of the new upcoming XBOX 3 for Micro$oft.
Not sure about Nintendo's new upcoming console but it won't be Nvidia building it.

Soparik2 · Feb 9, 2009

all those interested in AM3 925 CPU's pm me

what i mean is i will have mine soon

maybe you can too

Super XP · Feb 9, 2009

Phenom II 925 Overclocking!
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=1161903

EastCoasthandle · Feb 9, 2009

That was a complete tease! And, it's been nearly a month ago too :mad:

EastCoasthandle · Feb 9, 2009

Firing Squad: AMD's AM3 CPUs: Phenom II X4 810 and Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition

ASUS M3A78-T (790GX)
4GB (4x1GB) OCZ DDR2 PC2-8500 Platinum
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295
ForceWare 181.20
500GB Western Digital Caviar SE16
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit w/Service Pack 1

GURU3D: AMD Phenom II X4 810 and X3 720BE review (AM3)

Graphics Cards: GeForce GTX 280
Memory: 2048 MB (2x1024MB) DDR2 CAS4 @ 1066 MHz Dominator Corsair (5-6-6-15).
Power Supply Unit: Enermax Galaxy 1000 Watt (DXX PCIe 2.0 model)
Monitor: Dell 3007WFP - up to 2560x1600
OS related Software: Windows Vista 32-bit
DirectX 9/10 End User Runtime
Driver: ForceWare 180.44

[H]: Phenom II Gets Affordable with DDR3 & AM3

AMD: Phenom II X3 720 and X4 810 – ASUS M4A79T Deluxe, BFGTech 280 GTX OC, 2 x 2GB Corsair CM32048-1600C7DHXIN.
Intel: Core 2 Q8200 and Core 2 QX9770 – ASUS Rampage Extreme, BFGTech 280 GTX OC, 2 x 2GB Corsair TRX3X6G1600C8D.
Intel: Core i7 920 – ASUS P6T6 Deluxe, BFGTech 280 GTX OC, 2 x 2GB Corsair TRX3X6G1600C8D.
Common Components: Koolance EXOS 2 & CPU-345 water block water cooling system – Intel 80GB SSD – Western Digital 150GB HD – Thermaltake 1200W PSU.

Hexus: AMD brings full force of Phenom II to bear with AM3 chips
Testbed

Hot Hardware: AMD Phenom II X3 720 BE and X4 810 Processors
Testbed

InsideHW: AMD Phenom II X4 810: DDR3 vs. DDR2

We managed to overclock Phenom II 810 on default voltage at 3.4GHz, but we could achieve better results if we had BIOS that wasn’t in beta version
Motherboard 1: DFI Lanparty DK790 FXB-M2RS, Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 CL4 5-5-16-18 2T @2.0v
Motherboard 2: Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P, Kingston Value RAM DDR3 1333 CL6 6-6-18-18 1T @1.6v
Graphics: XFX GeForce 9600 GS 710 MHz core, 1755 MHz shaders, 2100 MHz RAM
Processor: AMD Phenom X4 810 2600 MHz core 2000 MHz NB/L3, overclocked 3400 MHz core, 2100 MHz NB/L3

In reviews like this I would really like to see DDR3 1600 (if possible). This review tells us that DDR3 1333 is as good as DDR2 1066, something we should know by now. The only real gains are in Crysis/Crysis Warhead. Furthermore, AM3 motherboards aren't there yet. Expect a bios to improve performance on DDR3 within a month or 2.

Literature:
using DDR3 1600 ram

Our test-machine consists of:
Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H / BIOS F3
AMD Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition
MSI 9800GX2
4 x 1 GB DDR2
Enermax Galaxy 1kW
Samsung SpinPoint T166 HD501LJ / 500 GB
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit
Watercooling (CPU only):
NexXxoS X2 Highflow Plexi
XSPC X2O 400
240mm radiator w. 2 x 120mm 1000 RPM fans

Overclockers Club: AMD Phenom II 720 and 810 AM3 Review

* Processor(s): AMD Phenom II X3 720, AMD Phenom II X4 940, AMD Phenom X4 9850
* Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H
* Memory: Mushkin Redline XP2 8000 2 x 2 GB 5-5-5-12
* Video Card : NVIDIA GTX 260 (216)
* Power Supply: Mushkin 800w Modular Power Supply
* Hard Drive: 1 x Seagate 7200.11 750GB SATA w/32MB Cache
* Optical Drive: Lite-On 8x DVD+/-RW
* OS: Windows Vista Ultimate Edition

Tom's Hardware: Socket AM3: AMD's Phenom II Gets DDR3 : Introduction

Asus M4A79T Deluxe (790FX/SB750) Socket AM3
Asus M3A78-T (790GX/SB750) Socket AM2+
Asus Rampage II Extreme (X58/ICH10) LGA 1366
Intel DX48BT2 (X48/ICH10) LGA 775
Nvidia GeForce GTX 280 1 GB
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250 GB
Lite-On DH-4O1S BD-ROM
4 GB (2 GB x 2) Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066 5-5-5-15 @ 2.1 V
4 GB (2 GB x 2) Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 8-8-8-24 @ 1.65 V
Windows Vista Ultimate Edition x64
GeForce 181.22

When looking at these reviews bare in mind that the AM3 bios still needs refinement when using DDR3. This is why you aren't seeing a lot of reviews using DDR3. Hopefully, we will see improvements in about a month or so. What is impressive so far are the X3 variants.

Super XP · Feb 9, 2009

Very nice find.
Seems all CPU's perform quite well in the gaming benchmarks including the Intel CPU's. What's interesting is the non-gaming benchmarks.

EastCoasthandle · Feb 9, 2009

What impressed me the most are the X3 variants. AM3 motherboards still need to get their bios refined so the synthetic benchmarks only show what's been said before, the bios needs to be fixed. However, having said that it's clear that so far at it's cheaper cost, it's still a great buy IMO.

EastCoasthandle · Feb 9, 2009

Lets not forget that the AM3 CPU currently reviewed is the 810 (which has 4megs of cache). Not the 910 and 925 PIIs using a AM3 setup (at least I haven't noticed).

Super XP · Feb 10, 2009

Well the motherboards costs about the same price as the AM2+ motherboards. The DDR3 ram is what's expensive. I don't see getting anything less than DDR3-1600 which costs a lot.

EastCoasthandle · Feb 15, 2009

AM3 trickling in

X3 CPUs

GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P

ASUS M4A79T Deluxe

GIGABYTE GA-MA790FXT-UD5P

Super XP · Feb 15, 2009

The Gigabyte has a better layout vs. the ASUS in terms of features (One extra expansion slot etc.) But I don't trust Gigabyte mobo's anymore, they are way too slow in releasing bios updates for them and refuse to resolve mobo issues in a speedy fasion.

The ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 is identical to the AM2+ ASUS M3A79T Deluxe version. It's still a solid motherboard by Asus but its too bad they didn't offer more.

Darknova · Feb 16, 2009

Alright. I've nearly got my AM3 build planned.

So far I'll be grabbing a Phenom II X3 720BE (this is a definite).
4GB (2x2GB) of G.Skill HZ's 1600Mhz (7-7-7-18)

The board however is....well a mystery. I just don't know what to get. I'm not a fan of Asus, this Biostar has pissed me off with it's poor layout, and gigabyte is out completely.

Anybody got any links or information on upcoming AM3 DDR3 boards?

Super XP · Feb 16, 2009

Truthfully the ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 is most likely your best bet for an awesome/stable Gaming & OC'ing board. I have the AM2+ equivalent and couldn't be happier. I used to have a the high end AM2+ Gigabyte board, but taking more than 5 months to resolve board issues (Still not resolved :eek:

) just don’t work for me. There bios update/tech support also stinks.

Go Asus IMO. DFI and Sapphire are the other two which have AM3 boards coming out, but I am not a fan with the layouts, they seem sort of lazy with lacking features.

Darknova · Feb 16, 2009

Let me ask you something then. Can you change the tRFC in the BIOS on your Asus? If not then I don't want one.

Super XP · Feb 16, 2009

If my memory serves me well, you can change ANYTHING that has to do with RAM. But I will check just to make sure O.K.
By the way what is so important about this tRFC?

Darknova · Feb 16, 2009

Super XP said:
If my memory serves me well, you can change ANYTHING that has to do with RAM. But I will check just to make sure O.K.
By the way what is so important about this tRFC?

tRFC is very important to running RAM at higher speeds. JEDEC specs say that at 800Mhz it should be set to 105ns, of course better spec RAM can run at 75ns (such as my Black PI). Running at 1200Mhz, it's virtually impossible to get a tRFC of less than 127.5ns, if you try to set it less you will get memory errors galore.

This was a real problem with earlier Asus 939 and AM2 boards, especially the ones that didn't allow you to change tRFC, as they set each RAM slot to different tRFCs, so lots of RAM compatibility problems were for this very reason.

Kei · Feb 16, 2009

Darknova said:
Let me ask you something then. Can you change the tRFC in the BIOS on your Asus? If not then I don't want one.

No worries on that friend, tRFC has been selectable on ASUS boards for a long while now. I use it on my M3A32-MVP Deluxe and all the boards I've set up for others who's systems I've built.

tRFC is selectable from 75ns up to 327ns so no problems there. The only ram setting that I wish was still selectable is the Max Latency setting which I haven't seen selectable on a board since the M2 series boards.

Kei

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