Hey guys Realtemp(and coretemp) wont load for 2-3 minutes after boot - Page 3

bigjared · 11-03-2009, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

Does SpeedFan and the Biostar TPower utility read core temperatures or "CPU" temperatures, or both?

The Tpower only reads one "CPU" temp however SpeedFan reads everything, all cores, NB, cpu ect.

unclewebb · 11-03-2009, 10:32 PM

Speedfan reads core temperatures. I think the Biostar utility only reads the traditional CPU temperature.

bigjared · 11-03-2009, 10:34 PM

Yea I don't think it is a hardware issue (due to the failed OC) because SpeedFan works fine and Realtemp and coretemp also work perfectly after I wait that 3 minutes.

unclewebb · 11-03-2009, 10:35 PM

Recent versions of SetFSB use the same WinRing0 driver that RealTemp depends on. You could try starting that program.

Core Temp uses a completely different driver so this doesn't make too much sense. I'm not sure why these two programs are being delayed by Windows.

gaximodo · 11-03-2009, 10:35 PM

I used to have the same problem with my Q9450 and 780I, most programs related to read temperatures will not open until like 1 min after the OS is loaded(CPUz HW monitor, even evga precision), during this time, internet will work but the lan icon will displayed as not working(with a yellow triangle sign) I think its something related to BIOS or some feature of the motherboard is conflicting with Vista/7.

And it only happens with some combination of FSB and voltage settings, for example with 1800FSB and core voltage 1.35 it happens, if you up or down core voltage by a couple of notches the problem will be gone.(but sometime late it will come back....just change voltage again). And a fresh install will solve the problem for a while too.

Very weird problem indeed

bigjared · 11-03-2009, 10:42 PM

Okay - SetFSB = same problem.

The problem with this being a voltage issue is two fold.

1) This problem is happening with a completely default/stock bios settings.
2) This problem didnt happen prior to yesterday with stock settings or the exact settings I am using on my OC right now.

You are correct about the Internet icon being weird even though the net works just fine.

gaximodo · 11-03-2009, 10:47 PM

yeah, I'm pretty sure we had the same problem, once it happened even revert to stock sometimes it still happens, I should have said some combination of FSB and voltage will solve the problem, >_>. And try re-install OS, or keep tweaking BIOS.(Like turn features you don't use on/off)

bigjared · 11-03-2009, 10:50 PM

Ugh it definitely sounds like the same problem. But what I don't get is how it is a FSB/Voltage issue when I am running identical settings to when I didn't have this problem.

It totally seems like some windows process is taking 2-3 minutes to load and in the meantime the temp programs are unable to.

Id really like to know the root of this problem though because there is no point reinstalling the OS if its just going to happen again.

bigjared · 11-03-2009, 11:11 PM

Yea I tried upping all my voltages and decreasing the FSB and am still having the same problem.

What in the world... so frustrating.

I mean it is apparent that this isn't a Realtemp issue but I really appreciate you guys trying to help me out.

Don't know where to go from here.

gaximodo · 11-03-2009, 11:49 PM

It doesn't have to be upped, try lowering the voltages as well- -..
Yeah the problem happened to me without me changed any settings both in the OS/BIOS, and I was so frustrated and tried everything I could until when I tried a different oc(I lowed core voltage by two notches.) And I was using Vista, once I switched to 7 RC, it stopped-. -(Yeah..I know you are using 7.)

For me, 1.3625 or 1.36125 never caused that issue, and anything higher will bring it back.
and all the settings lower than 1.3 won't cause it, except set everything on auto and stock clocks.

bigjared · 11-04-2009, 01:11 AM

Jeeze... I don't know if i can go any lower.

I have my Q9550 stable at 3.8 with just under 1.2vcore which is essentially stock.

Never had this problem on vista at all.

somebody · 11-04-2009, 10:53 AM

If you haven't already, check the Event Viewer under administrative tools, in particular Windows Logs / System. Might be a clue as to what is happening.

bigjared · 11-05-2009, 06:20 PM

The only error messages under the event viewer are with my cdrom drive. I am not sure what the problem is but it was happening before the Realtemp problem started happening so I doubt its the cause of it.

I posted on a couple other forums trying to get this issue resolved and nobody had heard of it or knew what to do to help.

unclewebb · 11-05-2009, 07:34 PM

CD ROM drives that are failing can cause system hangs. I'd try disconnecting that and see how your boot up goes. You've tried everything else so what the hell.

somebody · 11-06-2009, 01:58 AM

Since all the programs you mentioned that are taking 2 minutes require the service control manager to load their drivers, that is probably a good place to look, not necessarily for error messages but whats holding the SCM up. To make reading the log easier you can clear the log first, you'll have the option to save the old log data if you wish. Then reboot and start the slow to show program(s) up. Then take a look at the log, you could even save it as a text file for analyzing later.

Don't feel too bad about there not being much help, it's an awkward problem that can be hard to track down.

Processor:	i5 750 4ghz 1.34V 24/7 \| 4.18 ghz 1.41V benching 3.67Ghz 1.21v folding
Motherboard:	Gigabyte P55-UD4P
Cooling:	Some fugly square metal brick from Arctic cooling..
Memory:	2X2G corsair dominator@1728mhz 9-9-9-25-1T 1.3v
Video Card:	Evga + Zotac GTX275's in SLI @ 756/1566/1269
Harddisk:	2xWD 500G AAKS Raid0
CRT/LCD Model:	24" HP w2408h
Case:	Antec 900
Sound Card:	Creative Extremegamer fatal1ty pro
PSU:	Antec 1000W Truepower quattro
Software:	Win7 RC 64bit
Benchmarks:	3Dmark06 26003 Vantage P27622 w/ physx and X12560 w/o physx

Processor:	i5 750 4ghz 1.34V 24/7 \| 4.18 ghz 1.41V benching 3.67Ghz 1.21v folding
Motherboard:	Gigabyte P55-UD4P
Cooling:	Some fugly square metal brick from Arctic cooling..
Memory:	2X2G corsair dominator@1728mhz 9-9-9-25-1T 1.3v
Video Card:	Evga + Zotac GTX275's in SLI @ 756/1566/1269
Harddisk:	2xWD 500G AAKS Raid0
CRT/LCD Model:	24" HP w2408h
Case:	Antec 900
Sound Card:	Creative Extremegamer fatal1ty pro
PSU:	Antec 1000W Truepower quattro
Software:	Win7 RC 64bit
Benchmarks:	3Dmark06 26003 Vantage P27622 w/ physx and X12560 w/o physx

11-03-2009, 10:50 PM	#58
bigjared Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 34 (1.88/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ugh it definitely sounds like the same problem. But what I don't get is how it is a FSB/Voltage issue when I am running identical settings to when I didn't have this problem. It totally seems like some windows process is taking 2-3 minutes to load and in the meantime the temp programs are unable to. Id really like to know the root of this problem though because there is no point reinstalling the OS if its just going to happen again. Last edited by bigjared; 11-03-2009 at 11:02 PM.

Processor:	i5 750 4ghz 1.34V 24/7 \| 4.18 ghz 1.41V benching 3.67Ghz 1.21v folding
Motherboard:	Gigabyte P55-UD4P
Cooling:	Some fugly square metal brick from Arctic cooling..
Memory:	2X2G corsair dominator@1728mhz 9-9-9-25-1T 1.3v
Video Card:	Evga + Zotac GTX275's in SLI @ 756/1566/1269
Harddisk:	2xWD 500G AAKS Raid0
CRT/LCD Model:	24" HP w2408h
Case:	Antec 900
Sound Card:	Creative Extremegamer fatal1ty pro
PSU:	Antec 1000W Truepower quattro
Software:	Win7 RC 64bit
Benchmarks:	3Dmark06 26003 Vantage P27622 w/ physx and X12560 w/o physx

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11-03-2009, 10:32 PM	#52
unclewebb RealTemp Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 405 (0.75/day) Thanks: 9 Thanked 156 Times in 106 Posts	Speedfan reads core temperatures. I think the Biostar utility only reads the traditional CPU temperature.

11-03-2009, 10:34 PM	#53
bigjared Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 34 (1.88/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yea I don't think it is a hardware issue (due to the failed OC) because SpeedFan works fine and Realtemp and coretemp also work perfectly after I wait that 3 minutes.

11-03-2009, 10:35 PM	#54
unclewebb RealTemp Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 405 (0.75/day) Thanks: 9 Thanked 156 Times in 106 Posts	Recent versions of SetFSB use the same WinRing0 driver that RealTemp depends on. You could try starting that program. Core Temp uses a completely different driver so this doesn't make too much sense. I'm not sure why these two programs are being delayed by Windows.

11-03-2009, 10:35 PM	#55
gaximodo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 118 (0.27/day) Thanks: 27 Thanked 22 Times in 19 Posts System Specs	I used to have the same problem with my Q9450 and 780I, most programs related to read temperatures will not open until like 1 min after the OS is loaded(CPUz HW monitor, even evga precision), during this time, internet will work but the lan icon will displayed as not working(with a yellow triangle sign) I think its something related to BIOS or some feature of the motherboard is conflicting with Vista/7. And it only happens with some combination of FSB and voltage settings, for example with 1800FSB and core voltage 1.35 it happens, if you up or down core voltage by a couple of notches the problem will be gone.(but sometime late it will come back....just change voltage again). And a fresh install will solve the problem for a while too. Very weird problem indeed

11-03-2009, 10:42 PM	#56
bigjared Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 34 (1.88/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Okay - SetFSB = same problem. The problem with this being a voltage issue is two fold. 1) This problem is happening with a completely default/stock bios settings. 2) This problem didnt happen prior to yesterday with stock settings or the exact settings I am using on my OC right now. You are correct about the Internet icon being weird even though the net works just fine.

11-03-2009, 10:47 PM	#57
gaximodo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 118 (0.27/day) Thanks: 27 Thanked 22 Times in 19 Posts System Specs	yeah, I'm pretty sure we had the same problem, once it happened even revert to stock sometimes it still happens, I should have said some combination of FSB and voltage will solve the problem, >_>. And try re-install OS, or keep tweaking BIOS.(Like turn features you don't use on/off)

11-03-2009, 11:11 PM	#59
bigjared Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 34 (1.88/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yea I tried upping all my voltages and decreasing the FSB and am still having the same problem. What in the world... so frustrating. I mean it is apparent that this isn't a Realtemp issue but I really appreciate you guys trying to help me out. Don't know where to go from here.

11-03-2009, 11:49 PM	#60
gaximodo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 118 (0.27/day) Thanks: 27 Thanked 22 Times in 19 Posts System Specs	It doesn't have to be upped, try lowering the voltages as well- -.. Yeah the problem happened to me without me changed any settings both in the OS/BIOS, and I was so frustrated and tried everything I could until when I tried a different oc(I lowed core voltage by two notches.) And I was using Vista, once I switched to 7 RC, it stopped-. -(Yeah..I know you are using 7.) For me, 1.3625 or 1.36125 never caused that issue, and anything higher will bring it back. and all the settings lower than 1.3 won't cause it, except set everything on auto and stock clocks.

11-04-2009, 01:11 AM	#61
bigjared Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 34 (1.88/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jeeze... I don't know if i can go any lower. I have my Q9550 stable at 3.8 with just under 1.2vcore which is essentially stock. Never had this problem on vista at all.

11-04-2009, 10:53 AM	#62
somebody Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 36 (0.67/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	If you haven't already, check the Event Viewer under administrative tools, in particular Windows Logs / System. Might be a clue as to what is happening.

11-05-2009, 06:20 PM	#63
bigjared Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 34 (1.88/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The only error messages under the event viewer are with my cdrom drive. I am not sure what the problem is but it was happening before the Realtemp problem started happening so I doubt its the cause of it. I posted on a couple other forums trying to get this issue resolved and nobody had heard of it or knew what to do to help.

11-05-2009, 07:34 PM	#64
unclewebb RealTemp Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 405 (0.75/day) Thanks: 9 Thanked 156 Times in 106 Posts	CD ROM drives that are failing can cause system hangs. I'd try disconnecting that and see how your boot up goes. You've tried everything else so what the hell.

11-06-2009, 01:58 AM	#65
somebody Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 36 (0.67/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Since all the programs you mentioned that are taking 2 minutes require the service control manager to load their drivers, that is probably a good place to look, not necessarily for error messages but whats holding the SCM up. To make reading the log easier you can clear the log first, you'll have the option to save the old log data if you wish. Then reboot and start the slow to show program(s) up. Then take a look at the log, you could even save it as a text file for analyzing later. Don't feel too bad about there not being much help, it's an awkward problem that can be hard to track down.

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