Getting a router to handle more connections?

[hat]

I'm getting really crap speeds now and I'm not even using all 40 connections. On one of the torrents, I have 0 seeds connected out of 136. What gives?

[eidairaman1]

ill get you an app to check for how many hops and latency you are getting.

[mrhuggles]

ive gotten mine to handle around 15000 tracked connections

openWRT + 32mb ram, how much ram will controll how many connections can be tracked at once, also its nice if your router will fail to crash and instead start cutting off old connections when it fills up.

[hat]

My router has 8mb ram.

[Binge]

This isn't advice as much as I'm pitching a sweet router: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...=1&sa=N&tab=fw

The gaming part of it is gimmicky, but the router itself is SUPER solid. As for your problem I wish I could help more hat.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by Binge

This isn't advice as much as I'm pitching a sweet router: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...=1&sa=N&tab=fw

The gaming part of it is gimmicky, but the router itself is SUPER solid. As for your problem I wish I could help more hat.

Agreed, but for almost the same price, he can have all the same features, plus single band N wireless by buying the DIR-655.

[hat]

I don't want to buy anything else, I want to have fun by hacking up what I already have

[Binge]

More specifically this model: d-link dgl-4300

I know you can get N, but I still prefer this one over the N version and I found mine at $50 new on sale.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by hat

I don't want to buy anything else, I want to have fun by hacking up what I already have

Then it's time to see if you can get DD-WRT on it. Certain versions of your router are supported. http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices

[hat]

Nope, I checked. I have a v9, and it's "in the works" as they say.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by mrhuggles

ive gotten mine to handle around 15000 tracked connections

openWRT + 32mb ram, how much ram will controll how many connections can be tracked at once, also its nice if your router will fail to crash and instead start cutting off old connections when it fills up.

on windows 7, you're capped at 25 half open connections anyway. you'd never get that high - maybe 300, tops?




When it comes to torrents, speed always depends on how well its seeded. For a good test find the dattebayo website and grab one of their latest bleach episodes - its always ridonculously well seeded, so it always goes very fast.

[hat]

Originally Posted by Mussels

When it comes to torrents, speed always depends on how well its seeded. For a good test find the dattebayo website and grab one of their latest bleach episodes - its always ridonculously well seeded, so it always goes very fast.

I was just thinking this...

[TheLaughingMan]

Originally Posted by Mussels

on windows 7, you're capped at 25 half open connections anyway. you'd never get that high - maybe 300, tops?

When it comes to torrents, speed always depends on how well its seeded. For a good test find the dattebayo website and grab one of their latest bleach episodes - its always ridonculously well seeded, so it always goes very fast.

Very good point. What are you downloading?

And the half-open connection thing was removed after XP. Vista didn't even do the half-open connections and Windows 7 definitely did not bring that bull back into play. I don't know exactly how many connections it can handle, but I am fairly certain it would be more than his router if it only has 8 MB of on-board.

Simple test. Turn the ports back to default for uTorrent instead of 40/40/2. Then see if speed improves. Then bypass the router and go from your computer directly to the modem or wall port and see if speed improves. use a well seeded torrent like Bleach, some recent TV episode of House, and do all of this within an hour. I say give each test 20 minutes to run before switching schemes.

If you get better speed with the uTorrent connections higher (which default will be), that is obvious not helping by limiting it. If the speed is improved again by bypassing your router, even better because it is the problem and you have found it. If the first doesn't help, but the second does, the issue is still the router doesn't have enough to handle higher bandwidth throughput.

For the record. I personally tried the 40/40/2 scheme listed before and it crippled my downloads. I got up to 300% better speed when I went back to my original options; however, my router has 64 MB of on-board and usually has 40ish available after starting DD-WRT (which I only used to boost signal power).

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

Very good point. What are you downloading?

And the half-open connection thing was removed after XP. Vista didn't even do the half-open connections and Windows 7 definitely did not bring that bull back into play. I don't know exactly how many connections it can handle, but I am fairly certain it would be more than his router if it only has 8 MB of on-board.

Simple test. Turn the ports back to default for uTorrent instead of 40/40/2. Then see if speed improves. Then bypass the router and go from your computer directly to the modem or wall port and see if speed improves. use a well seeded torrent like Bleach, some recent TV episode of House, and do all of this within an hour. I say give each test 20 minutes to run before switching schemes.

If you get better speed with the uTorrent connections higher (which default will be), that is obvious not helping by limiting it. If the speed is improved again by bypassing your router, even better because it is the problem and you have found it. If the first doesn't help, but the second does, the issue is still the router doesn't have enough to handle higher bandwidth throughput.

For the record. I personally tried the 40/40/2 scheme listed before and it crippled my downloads. I got up to 300% better speed when I went back to my original options; however, my router has 64 MB of on-board and usually has 40ish available after starting DD-WRT (which I only used to boost signal power).

half open was *not* removed after XP! it was merely raised.

it went from 10 connections in XP, to 15 in vista and 25 in 7 ultimate (IIRC)


oh and as for my settings crippling your speeds: my internet line is approx 8Mb down, 1Mb up (900KB/s down, 90KB/s up) - and its designed to NOT max out my line, so that gaming, VOIP and so on are never interfered with. its the 'safe' setting as opposed to the 'fast' setting

[TheLaughingMan]

Originally Posted by Mussels

half open was *not* removed after XP! it was merely raised.

it went from 10 connections in XP, to 15 in vista and 25 in 7 ultimate (IIRC)


oh and as for my settings crippling your speeds: my internet line is approx 8Mb down, 1Mb up (900KB/s down, 90KB/s up) - and its designed to NOT max out my line, so that gaming, VOIP and so on are never interfered with. its the 'safe' setting as opposed to the 'fast' setting

I do apologize. I did check and you are correct. It was raised, but I had information previously stating the limit would be removed completely in Vista SP2 and Windows 7, but I guess this information was incorrect. Time to mess with some .sys files again.

My internet speed is about the same. I have 10 Mb down/1Mb up. Me and my roommates don't limit the throughput, but I do not allow torrents to run during the day. Torrenting and massive downloading of new games, patches, etc. is only allowed between 12 midnight and 9 a.m.

Thanks for the info. on the settings as I can now see it is to be used in a more open downloading environment. I may try it again to see if downloading during the day will create any issues.

Here is the Info. I had from Half-open limit fix people:

Does the limit of concurrent half-open connections present in Windows Server 2003/2008, Vista SP2 and Windows 7 beta start from build 7100?
No. It is physically present in the tcpip.sys file but has no effect; thereby, there is no Event ID 4226 or Internet deceleration when a P2P program runs in this versions of Windows.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

I do apologize. I did check and you are correct. It was raised, but I had information previously stating the limit would be removed completely in Vista SP2 and Windows 7, but I guess this information was incorrect. Time to mess with some .sys files again.

My internet speed is about the same. I have 10 Mb down/1Mb up. Me and my roommates don't limit the throughput, but I do not allow torrents to run during the day. Torrenting and massive downloading of new games, patches, etc. is only allowed between 12 midnight and 9 a.m.

Thanks for the info. on the settings as I can now see it is to be used in a more open downloading environment. I may try it again to see if downloading during the day will create any issues.

Here is the Info. I had from Half-open limit fix people:

All you have to do is set a schedule in uTorrent and have it throttle during the day, then you can still dl, and not heavily effect everything else. There's no reason to completely ban it, as you can have the best of both worlds.

[TheLaughingMan]

Originally Posted by Wile E

All you have to do is set a schedule in uTorrent and have it throttle during the day, then you can still dl, and not heavily effect everything else. There's no reason to completely ban it, as you can have the best of both worlds.

My answer to that question is 1 of my roommates is not to computer savvy. I could set the throttle myself, but I am not that nice as he should learn about stuff before jumping head first into the deep in, but I digress. It also doesn't help that our ISP over sold the network and we get a fair amount of congestion during the daytime peek hours. Gaming and web surf are fine, but downloading even YouTube videos is heartbreaking and this is without torrents adding to the mix.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

My answer to that question is 1 of my roommates is not to computer savvy. I could set the throttle myself, but I am not that nice as he should learn about stuff before jumping head first into the deep in, but I digress. It also doesn't help that our ISP over sold the network and we get a fair amount of congestion during the daytime peek hours. Gaming and web surf are fine, but downloading even YouTube videos is heartbreaking and this is without torrents adding to the mix.

Ahhhhh. Yeah, no amount of scheduling will account for a crappy ISP. That sucks.

[Jstn7477]

Originally Posted by Binge

This isn't advice as much as I'm pitching a sweet router: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...=1&sa=N&tab=fw

The gaming part of it is gimmicky, but the router itself is SUPER solid. As for your problem I wish I could help more hat.

My dad bought a DGL-4500, and holy s@#% was that firmware horrible. The router would just randomly need to be rebooted to get the internet working again, and you couldn't downgrade to the "better" working firmware once you upgraded to a new "series" of firmware. My parents are using the crappy Verizon/Actiontec router over that buggy $180 paperweight. Don't get me wrong, the router itself is amazing, but boy does that firmware need some serious reworking.

[TheLaughingMan]

Anyone know a way I can test the number of Half-open connections on a computer?

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

Anyone know a way I can test the number of Half-open connections on a computer?

according to the links below, a program called TCP-Z is your saviour
(this program doesnt work so well in x64 OS's)


actually, it seems that laughing man may have been right... the limit may well have been removed in everything but XP.
Thats what i got for not checking this out every release of win 7, lol


http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/0...atch-required/

Instead, Microsoft adds a registry key that allows user or administrator to enable (turn on) or disable (turn off) the half-open TCP connections limit in Windows Vista with Service Pack 2 and in Windows Server 2008 with Service Pack 2. The registry key is EnableConnectionRateLimiting. The Knowledge Base
article KB969710 confirms that the half-open TCP connections limit is disabled in Windows Server 2008 with Service Pack 2 (SP2) and in Windows Vista with Service Pack 2 (SP2).