Athlon II X4 vs Phenom II X2

Dent1 · Jun 23, 2010

This thread is to conclude which is the better overall processor taking into consideration of numerous tasks ranging from encoding, rendering, single threaded and multi threaded gaming.

The two processors in question are the Phenom II X2 and the Athlon II X4 series.

The applications that shall be run are:

WPrime
CineBench
3D Marks 2006 (CPU test)
Crysis Benchmark
Final Fantasy XIV Benchmark
Sciencemark
Passmark

(more applications to be added later)

WPrime - lower is better
brandonwh64 - Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.6GHz - 21.624 seconds
brandonwh64 - Phenom II X3 720 unlocked X4 @ 2.6GHz - 16.062 seconds
brandonwh64 - Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.6GHz with 1 core disabled - 31.937 seconds
Dent1 - Athlon II X4 620 @ 2.6GHz (stock) -15.907 seconds
Dent1 - Athlon II X4 620 @ 2.6GHz (stock) with 1 core disabled - 21.32 seconds
Dent1 - Athlon II X4 620 @ 3.1GHz - 13.417 seconds
JrRacingFan - Athlon II X2 240 @ 2.6GHz - 33.231
NdMk2o1o - Phenom II 550 X2 @ 3.1GHz HT Link @ 2400Mhz - 25.837 seconds

3d Mark 06 CPU test - higher is better
Dent1 - Athlon II X4 620 @ 2.6GHz (stock) - 3617
Dent1 - Athlon II X4 620 @ 2.6GHz (stock) with 1 core disabled - 2900
Dent1 - Athlon II X4 620 @ 3.1GHz - 4219
JrRacingFan - Athlon II X2 240 @ 2.6GHz - 2057
brandonwh64 - Phenom II X3 720 with 1 core disabled @ 2.6GHz - 2195
brandonwh64 - Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.6GHz - 3159
brandonwh64 - Phenom II X3 720 unlocked to X4 @ 2.6GHz - 3939
brandonwh64 - Phenom II X3 720 unlocked to X4 @ 3.225GHz - 4780
NdMk2o1o - Phenom II 550 X2 @ 3.1GHz HT Link @ 2400Mhz - 2566

Final Fantasy XIV @ 1280x720p - higher is better
Dent1 - Athlon II X4 620 @ 2.6GHz (stock) - 4850 @ 650/1100MHz - Score: 2994
Dent1 - Athlon II X4 620 @ 2.6GHz (stock) with 1 core disabled - 4850@ 650/1100MHz / - Score: 2798
Dent1 - Athlon II X4 620 @ 3.1GHz - 4850 @ 650/1100MHz - Score: 3183

Final Fantasy XIV @ 1920x1080p - higher is better
brandonwh64 - Phenom II X3 720 unlocked to X4 @ 3.4GHz, 8600GTS 512MB - Score: 528

erocker · Jun 23, 2010

Excluding Crysis, all of those bench's are multi threaded. Of course the quad core will win. Clock for clock is not fair in this case. The only reason I would get a 555 is due to it's better overclocking ability and unlocked CPU as opposed to the Athlon II. I would love to see what clock speed the 555 needs to equal the Athlon II with multi threaded bench's.

If you need any Phenom II quad results, feel free to let me know. :toast:

Dent1 · Jun 23, 2010

erocker said:
Excluding Crysis, all of those bench's are multi threaded. Of course the quad core will win.

I am not sure if you've been following the other thread but NdMk2o1o seems to think the Phenom II X2s 6MB of L3 cache makes it the better overall processor in all tasks compared to the Athlon II X3 (and X4) despite it costing more, whereas I'm saying the Phenom II X2 is only better in single threaded games, but in multi threaded games and work related tasks i.e. encoding, rendering, compression the extra core negates the missing cache. I do not have an X3 so we are simulating its performance with my X4 instead.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=125044

Which single threaded benchmarks should I add to this, to make it fair?

erocker · Jun 23, 2010

Most game benchmarks are "single threaded" though they will distribute the load over whatever cores are available. So just pick whatever games you have and use Fraps if you have it available.

brandonwh64 · Jun 23, 2010

Edited then

Dent1 · Jun 23, 2010

brandonwh64, this thread is a project thread, we are doing a scientific test here, if you want to post benchmarks do it in the other thread or do it after we finished the experiment. Erocker can you delete that please.

PS. brandonwh64, those benchmarks are not showing the Athlon II X3 and Phenom II X2 at the same clock speed, which is what this experiment is about

brandonwh64 · Jun 23, 2010

Also if you would like i could do some of those benches for you with my Phenom II x3 720 @ stock settings if it would help get things moving?

Dent1 · Jun 23, 2010

brandonwh64 said:
Also if you would like i could do some of those benches for you with my Phenom II x3 720 @ stock settings if it would help get things moving?

Perhaps a little bit later. We should probably get the statistics for the Athlon II X3/X4 vs Phenom II X2 first, then once everything is done we can add your 720 in the mix.
I need some help guys:
-Which applications should I use for testing? – I’m open for suggestions, it has to be scientific so nothing that fraps can measure, if its a game it has to have its own built in benchmark!

I propose that NdMk2o1o lowers his OC to 3.0GHz and I will do the same, we both should have HT Links and NB of 2000Mhz. This way it only measures 6MB cache vs o cache/extra core, anyone agree?

brandonwh64 · Jun 23, 2010

Dent1 said:
Perhaps a little bit later. We should probably get the statistics for the Athlon II X3/X4 vs Phenom II X2 first, then once everything is done we can add your 720 in the mix.

I need some help guys:

-Which applications should I use for testing? - Iam open for suggestions, it has to be scientific so nothing that fraps can measure, if its a game it has to have its own built in benchmark!

I propose that NdMk2o1o lowers his OC to 3.0GHz and I will do the same, we both should have HT Links and NB of 2000Mhz to make this fair. Anyone agree?

Is this going to be a CPU test only? maybe some sciencemark? also passmark is ok benching software along with everest

IronRuler · Jun 23, 2010

The PII will win in gaming. Everything else goes to the quad IMO. But for the pice of the quad I would just grab a 720BE.

eidairaman1 · Jun 23, 2010

if the Athlon II was released with 4MB L2 and as a Black Edition unit, it would be a good sell.

NdMk2o1o · Jun 23, 2010

Dent1 said:
I am not sure if you've been following the other thread but NdMk2o1o seems to think the Phenom II X2s 6MB of L3 cache makes it the better overall processor in all tasks compared to the Athlon II X3 (and X4) despite it costing more, whereas I'm saying the Phenom II X2 is only better in single threaded games, but in multi threaded games and work related tasks i.e. encoding, rendering, compression the extra core negates the missing cache. I do not have an X3 so we are simulating its performance with my X4 instead.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=125044

Which single threaded benchmarks should I add to this, to make it fair?

Hang on before you go on your little crusade, I never said that a PII dual is better than an Athlon x4 so please get it right, I said compared to the x3 the pII is better overall cause as it does get beat out in some multithreaded tasks the margin is very small and it is even keeping up even though the Athlon has the extra core, now add to the fact the extra L3 cache, higher stock clock and better overclockaqbility and the PII is the obvious choice over the Athlon x3.

So If you like when we get this going just for information purpposes I will run the benches on 2 cores, stock and overclocked though we really need an Athlon x3 in here aswell unless I run at 3 cores compared to your 4.

Dent1 · Jun 23, 2010

NdMk2o1o said:
Hang on before you go on your little crusade, I never said that a PII dual is better than an Athlon x4 so please get it right, I said compared to the x3 the pII is better overall cause as it does get beat out in some multithreaded tasks the margin is very small and it is even keeping up even though the Athlon has the extra core, now add to the fact the extra L3 cache, higher stock clock and better overclockaqbility and the PII is the obvious choice over the Athlon x3.

When looking at the reviews the Phenom II X2 rarely ever beats the Athlon II X3 in multi threaded applications, it would be almost impossible too.

NdMk2o1o said:
So If you like when we get this going just for information purpposes I will run the benches on 2 cores, stock and overclocked though we really need an Athlon x3 in here aswell unless I run at 3 cores compared to your 4.

I am more interested in doing this to help people with struggling decision to make on which CPU to choose, we should put our egos aside and lets make this an educational experience for everyone. :toast:

Also once a benchmark has be run we need to open up CPU-Z and GPU-Z take take a screenshot of the specification in the background side by side with the score.

Edit:

NdMk2o1o,

If you want I can disable 1 core on my Athlon II X4 to make it a X3 and hence it will be Athlon II X3 without cache vs Phenom II X2 with 6MB cache.

NdMk2o1o · Jun 23, 2010

Dent1 said:
When looking at the reviews the Phenom II X2 rarely ever beats the Athlon II X3 in multi threaded applications, it would be almost impossible too.

I am more interested in doing this to help people with struggling decision to make on which CPU to choose, we should put our egos aside and lets make this an educational experience for everyone.

Also once a benchmark has be run we need to open up CPU-Z and GPU-Z take take a screenshot of the specification in the background side by side with the score.

Edit:

NdMk2o1o,

If you want I can disable 1 core on my Athlon II X4 to make it a X3 and hence it will be Athlon II X3 without cache vs Phenom II X2 with 6MB cache.

We can do that, You run stock clocks over my stock clocks as thats what we were talking about, also get a definitive list of benches. I'm probably not going to be able to bench until tomorrow night though :toast:

The more I think of it we should also use the same memory speed and timings to take that out of the equation. Maybe have a set of 2 multithreaded and 2 single threaded tests?

Dent1 · Jun 23, 2010

NdMk2o1o said:
We can do that, You run stock clocks over my stock clocks as thats what we were talking about, also get a definitive list of benches. I'm probably not going to be able to bench until tomorrow night though

The more I think of it we should also use the same memory speed and timings to take that out of the equation. Maybe have a set of 2 multithreaded and 2 single threaded tests?

If we just run at stock clocks you'd have a 500Mhz advantage and it would cause ambiguity in the results i.e. if the Phenom II X2 is leading we wouldn’t know for sure whether it’s because of the 500Mz advantage or because of the L3 cache advantage or both.

I am happy to run the Athlon II X4 (with 1 core disabled) at stock clocks providing that afterwards we redo the tests at equal clock speeds.

I will start by running Wprime v2.03 tonight, and I will put the NB and HT link @ 2,000 MHz, memory bus speed @ 1333 MHz with default timings.

NdMk2o1o · Jun 23, 2010

Dent1 said:
If we just run at stock clocks you'd have a 500Mhz advantage and it would cause ambiguity in the results i.e. if the Phenom II X2 is leading we wouldn’t know for sure whether it’s because of the 500Mz advantage or because of the L3 cache advantage or both.

I am happy to run the Athlon II X4 (with 1 core disabled) at stock clocks providing that afterwards we redo the tests at equal clock speeds.

I will start by running Wprime v2.03 tonight, and I will put the NB and HT link @ 2,000 MHz, memory bus speed @ 1333 MHz with default timings.

whats your stock then 2.6? ok bump it up to 2.7 cause as i recall thats the particular chip we were talking about and comparing, yes I have a 400mhz advantage, you have an extra core, whats your point? I didnt just say only the extra L3 makes up the performance did I? Why would I think that 2 cores at the same clock speed are better than 3??

My whole point was the 550 is the better buy.

Mussels · Jun 23, 2010

the phenom II will be faster in gaming, the athlon II x4 will be faster in encoding/rendering.

whichever CPU comes out on top, will be purely decided by how many of each test you run, be they games, or synthetic multi threaded tests.

newtekie1 · Jun 23, 2010

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/105?vs=120

*shrug*

I think I'd go with the X4...

You also have to consider that, in the few instances when the 555 would be better, the 630 is good enough that the user would not notice the difference. Everyone seems to want to talk about how much better the 555/550 would be at games, due to their single threaded nature. However, when you crank up the graphics settings as high as possible, the graphics card is going to the limitting factor. There isn't a modern game out where the 630, even at stock, is going to limit you to below 60FPS, so the x2 being better at gaming is a pretty moot point.

Dent1 · Jun 23, 2010

NdMk2o1o said:
Why would I think that 2 cores at the same clock speed are better than 3??

My whole point was the 550 is the better buy.

Exactly which was my entire point in the other thread, the Athlon II X3 has an additional core and the only reasons why the Phenom II X2 might win occasionally and narrowly in gaming is because of the clock speed difference in the reviews.

I said that if the Athlon II X3 or X4 was clocked identically to the Phenom II X2 the reviews will show a different picture, the X2 might still win in single threaded games but even more narrowly. What you are saying is contradictory, you openly admit that 3 cores is better than 2 yet you still say the 550 is better :wtf:

Also bear in mind the Athlon II X3 is faster than the Athlon II X4 in single threaded gaming.

Edit:

In addition, you said that we need to look at the "overall" picture, so our decision shouldnt be just based on gaming!

Dent1 · Jun 23, 2010

I need somebody impartial on this forum to look at this review of the Athlon II X3 435 and honestly analyse whether its a better prospect than the Phenom II X2 550 which is also listed taking into consideration of all the data, not just gaming. As the idea to get the overall better CPU.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon-ii-x3-435.html

brandonwh64 · Jun 23, 2010

I see the x3 athlon came in on top on the media processing page.

Mussels · Jun 23, 2010

Dent1 said:
Exactly which was my entire point in the other thread, the Athlon II X3 has an additional core and the only reasons why the Phenom II X2 might win occasionally and narrowly in gaming is because of the clock speed difference in the reviews.

I said that if the Athlon II X3 or X4 was clocked identically to the Phenom II X2 the reviews will show a different picture, the X2 might still win in single threaded games but even more narrowly. What you are saying is contradictory, you openly admit that 3 cores is better than 2 yet you still say the 550 is better

Also bear in mind the Athlon II X3 is faster than the Athlon II X4 in single threaded gaming.

Edit:

In addition, you said that we need to look at the "overall" picture, so our decision shouldnt be just based on gaming!

all games, unless they are DX11, are single threaded when it comes to graphics. Even if you read taht a game is multi threaded, you will end up with your CPU limiting your graphics - so a faster CPU with less cores is more important.

Dent1 · Jun 23, 2010

Ok as promised here is the first of the benchmarks. Its WPrime v2.03

Setup, Athlon II X4 620 @ 2.6 GHz (stock) with 1 core disabled! memory stock @ 1333MHz/Stock timings and I achieved a score of 21.32 seconds.

I have just completed the CPU benchmark portion of 3Dmarks 06 with its default detail and resolution. Again the spec was the same as above, Athlon II X4 620 @ 2.6 GHz (stock) with 1 core disabled! memory stock @ 1333MHz/Stock timings. I achieved a CPU score of 2900.

brandonwh64 · Jun 23, 2010

Ok! Here is some comparisons to your athlon. I downclocked to 2.6ghz like yours BUT since you have DDR3 @ 1334MHZ, i bumped my NB to 2600mhz for my DDR2 to compete.

First up is the Phenom II as a dual core

Second up is the Phenom II as a Tri Core

AND last up is the Phenom II as a Quad Core

For giggles. Phenom II 955 Speeds

Dent1 · Jun 23, 2010

Ok, I added your scores to the first post. I actually find is surprising that the full blown Phenom X3 720 scores less (practically identical) to the Athlon II X3 in WPrime when at the same clock speeds, 21.32 vs. 21.624 seconds. This could be a pure example of L3 cache not being a huge factor in some applications, my feeling is that AMD uses higher clock speeds in the Phenom II series to make its performance seem more attractive than the Athlon II X3 counterpart whilst also masking the fact that the extra L3 isn’t always a benefit.

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