Why would you by a $939 dollar Card?

Cold Storm · 02-16-2008, 07:00 PM

I was looking at Best Buy a few mins ago, and Saw this For a little under a GRAND!!!! WTF?? who in the right minds would buy that?

Silverel · 02-16-2008, 07:21 PM

but... it's watercooled...

That's worth it right?
/sarcasm

Ravenas · 02-16-2008, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Storm

I was looking at Best Buy a few mins ago, and Saw this For a little under a GRAND!!!! WTF?? who in the right minds would buy that?

It's a GTX, not even an Ultra...Total rip-off. Never buy from Best Buy.

Cold Storm · 02-16-2008, 07:23 PM

Oh, hell no would I buy from there! well.. I bought my x1650pro from there, but that was for 100 dollars

[I.R.A]_FBi · 02-16-2008, 07:25 PM

yes, to look uber-1337

File_1993 · 02-16-2008, 07:26 PM

As Ravenas said, it's not even an Ultra!

Cold Storm · 02-16-2008, 07:30 PM

wow... Don't even know where to start on this piece of hardware!

trog100 · 02-16-2008, 09:41 PM

someone with more money than sense would buy that.. rest assured.. someone will buy it.. he he he

trog

CarolinaKSU · 02-16-2008, 09:43 PM

There are tons of suckers who think Best Buy is the know-all end-all source for all their computing needs. Some rich kid will convince their dad to get it for them, no doubt in my mind.

rick22 · 02-16-2008, 10:20 PM

WTF lots of stupid people.......

hat · 02-16-2008, 10:22 PM

lol you can get an 8800GTX for $400 new on the egg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130072

Cold Storm · 02-16-2008, 11:09 PM

I feel the same way rick... stupid people are going to buy it! lol

KainXS · 02-17-2008, 06:45 PM

for that price you could get 3 8800GTS 512's and run them in triple sli

its sad really

KainXS · 02-17-2008, 06:51 PM

but you think that sucks, look at this

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1166235562616

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1194053242019

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1186007075007

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1194053242087

how in the hell did that happen

imperialreign · 02-17-2008, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Storm

I was looking at Best Buy a few mins ago, and Saw this For a little under a GRAND!!!! WTF?? who in the right minds would buy that?

Best Buy and Circuit City are total rip-offs. They sell mostly mid-range components, and jack the crap out of the prices because the majority of people that go there to buy stuff don't know any better.

Big reason why I personally boycott their business, and why I was so bummed about CompUSA going out of business - Comp was the only store around here that offered mid and hig-end parts at competitive pricing.

Just a couple of examples (which I love to cite):

2GB set of PNY XLR8 DDR2-800 at comp was $150; the same exact kit at BB was $399

a VisionTek HD2900XT at Comp was $399; same exact card on shelf at CC was $499

Quote:

Originally Posted by KainXS

but you think that sucks, look at this

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1166235562616

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1194053242019

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1186007075007

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1194053242087

how in the hell did that happen

my point, exactly

Frick · 02-17-2008, 07:58 PM

I bought my iPod Mini from BestBuy when I was in the states some years ago.. It was a good deal compared to Swedish stores.

Cold Storm · 02-17-2008, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imperialreign

Best Buy and Circuit City are total rip-offs. They sell mostly mid-range components, and jack the crap out of the prices because the majority of people that go there to buy stuff don't know any better.

Big reason why I personally boycott their business, and why I was so bummed about CompUSA going out of business - Comp was the only store around here that offered mid and hig-end parts at competitive pricing.

Just a couple of examples (which I love to cite):

2GB set of PNY XLR8 DDR2-800 at comp was $150; the same exact kit at BB was $399

a VisionTek HD2900XT at Comp was $399; same exact card on shelf at CC was $499

my point, exactly

Oh yeah! its pretty stupid right there! I got to say! I've used best buy because of rewards... I buy things here and there then I get money back for it.. Some sweet stuff. But for stuff that cost more then $100 dollars, I perfer to go to newegg, or other places like that. Then I know I'm getting a deal, and Not getting some f'd up thing.. Unless your solaris, and your girl buys you a 9600 before its even ability to be sold! Then BB FTW!
But really... BB WTF!?!

Cold Storm · 02-17-2008, 10:26 PM

Can An Mod. Change the spelling of my thread! And Note to self: Don't get on TPU BEFORE the shower of the day!

tiys · 02-18-2008, 03:11 AM

"Daddy, let's go to best buy!!"

/joking

Cold Storm · 02-18-2008, 04:29 AM

Sweet! I would love to have a dad like that!

tiys · 02-18-2008, 04:58 AM

Meh, I was joking....

Cold Storm · 02-18-2008, 04:59 AM

come on son {tiys}, lets go! lol I know!

hat · 02-18-2008, 05:12 AM

Hey CS wanna adopt me? I got an SLI compatable motherboard!

Cold Storm · 02-18-2008, 05:16 AM

I don't know about that man.. 24... i think there is an "age" limit on how hold you have to be...

btarunr · 02-18-2008, 05:19 AM

Well there are $2379 video-cards on offer too, like this FireGL V8650 2048MB. It's based on the R600 (the same R600 of which those $169 HD2900 Pro cards sell), just that it comes with the FireGL extensions and loads of memory.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814195055

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02-16-2008, 09:43 PM	#9
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02-16-2008, 11:09 PM	#12
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02-17-2008, 06:51 PM	#14
KainXS Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,649 (3.36/day) Thanks: 61 Thanked 208 Times in 184 Posts System Specs	but you think that sucks, look at this http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1166235562616 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1194053242019 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1186007075007 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1194053242087 how in the hell did that happen

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Cold Storm Battosai Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In a library somewhere on this earth Posts: 7,934 (10.22/day) Thanks: 1,526 Thanked 1,714 Times in 1,569 Posts System Specs	Can An Mod. Change the spelling of my thread! And Note to self: Don't get on TPU BEFORE the shower of the day! __________________ :Good Morning: Chamillionaire My Project Log

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02-18-2008, 04:58 AM	#21
tiys Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Keystone State (Pennsylvania) Posts: 255 (0.39/day) Thanks: 87 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts System Specs	Meh, I was joking....

02-18-2008, 04:59 AM	#22
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02-18-2008, 05:12 AM	#23
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02-18-2008, 05:16 AM	#24
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