Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

Widjaja · Mar 12, 2008

tkpenalty said:
Anyway, I just noticed how damn hot the 8800GT runs, even with good cooling the PCB gets HOT. X1950PRO looks like an ice cube in comparison. HD3850/HD3870s atm are pretty desirable thanks to their extremely low prices as well.

You only just noticed?
You've had a 8800GT for a while now, didn't you ever use the Zalman which came with yours?

BTW what is the max temp you getting with the S1 on your GT and is it pssively cooled?

imperialreign · Mar 12, 2008

tkpenalty said:
A motherboard/CPU/RAM upgrade will cost around the same and yet deliver more performance (and squeeze more perf out of his X1950PRO). Then he should get a new GPU, when they are cheaper and actually able to be used properly.

Pentium Ds/4s Generally bottleneck 3D Performance, its pretty old news, CF Setup Lazzer408 used to have is a classic example. With the Pentium 4 he didnt even notice any real life performance differences. Now chuck in a E6600, his performance went through the roof (for the time). Same story on my current PC, its so damn noticeable in the games I play when the CPU is oc'ed vs not oc'ed.

I can completly agree. My first setup with one 1950 PRO was with a Pentium 4HT shoved into an Intel D101GGC board - no OCing capabilites whatsoever, and I was stuck with horrible playability with games even a couple of years old. Moving the P4 and the RV570 into an ASUS board, and I was able to open it up a ton by OCing the BUS, and milked even more out with the addition of a 2nd card (thankfully I got for dirt cheap).

And now, booting the P4 to the curb in place of a quad has netted yet even more of a performance gain, not only with one card, but with Crossfire as well (except with CAT 8.3). i.e. Whereas with the P4 in a 975x board with 2 RV570s I could only manage 22-28 FPS at the most in Crysis, the setup now with a Q6600 in a X38 board is running 32-40 at the same in-game settings I used before. Just running the GPU bench I saw quite a difference (22 FPS avg compared to 29 FPS avg).

I'm thinking this weekend I might try and open this quad up some, and see how much further the two RV570s will go before their performance plateaus . . .

VroomBang · Mar 13, 2008

Your comments are much appreciated, thanks a lot guys.

The x1950 pro is probably the best card considering my specs, provided it’s stable and properly cooled.

However, I've kind of lost trust in the Sapphire x1950 Pro cooling system, even with revision 2. I wish I could get the Ultimate, with the Zalman VF900 stock fan, as a replacement for my faulty card.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/15/how-200-goes-a-lot-further/page9.html

If the new card overheats again, I could use an Accelero x2, but it's a hassle on a Sapphire x1950 AGP board, as you need an extra voltage regulator heat spreader module, which is not only sold separately but also needs to be cut to fit the card layout!
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=90&data=7&disc=

Now I'm not against a little DIY here and there, which can be fun and satisfying , but this goes a little bit too far to my taste. When I buy a PC component, I like it to work for what it’s been designed to do. I could understand the need to upgrade the cooler if maybe I was a serious gamer, pushing the limits of the card, but this is far from being the case. For example I don’t see the point in running games beyond 1024x728 on a 19’’screen and I'll never overclock the CPU or GPU, no matter what.

Another point to consider is that replacing the stock cooler would in theory void the warranty.

When you factor in all these things, it makes sense to sell the new x1950 Pro straight from RMA without even opening the box and buy a HD3850 AGP with the cash, and probably a bit extra.

Widjaja · Mar 13, 2008

I understand how you feel you shouldn't have to cut the vrm heat plate.
There is also the Zalman VF700 or the 900 which might be a bit much fo the X1950pro but at least you know it will work.

I doubt the next X1950pro will be the same.
BTW mark it before you send it away if your paranoid about them sending you back the same card.
It's what I do anyway.

I your situation I would stick with the X1950pro, next get a new CPU.
Just hopefully a C2D will work with your current motherboard.
Then motherboard, ram and new GPU.
after that get a new GPU.

candle_86 · Mar 13, 2008

hmm i have a 1900XTX, am i allowed in?

System is my sig right now lol

tkpenalty · Mar 14, 2008

candle_86 said:
hmm i have a 1900XTX, am i allowed in?

System is my sig right now lol

Huh, what happened to the 8800?

Widjaja · Mar 14, 2008

tkpenalty said:
Huh, what happened to the 8800?

His storys are really confusing.
His X1900XTX had died yesterday or something and now he's selling a copy of COD4 and buying a 8800GS and another copy of COD4. :wtf:

tkpenalty · Mar 14, 2008

Widjaja said:
His storys are really confusing.
His X1900XTX had died yesterday or something and now he's selling a copy of COD4 and buying a 8800GS and another copy of COD4.

Huh? Wah? Wtf? Lol? Wtfcoptor? Roflcoptor?

Reinstalled the Zalman fan on my X1950PRO, rotated it around to look neater and used duct tape instead to attatch the fan (zip ties were rattling). Its nice how cool the card runs compared to the 8800GT... 8800GT is very toasty.

So Widjaja, hows your X1950?

Widjaja · Mar 15, 2008

tkpenalty said:
Reinstalled the Zalman fan on my X1950PRO, rotated it around to look neater and used duct tape instead to attatch the fan (zip ties were rattling). Its nice how cool the card runs compared to the 8800GT... 8800GT is very toasty.

So Widjaja, hows your X1950?

Didn't know you had a Zalman fan on your X1950pro.

My X1950pro is still going strong.
Averages around 82degC max load, high a relatively high idle of 52degC.

But still not one artifact or lockup within the months I've owned it.

tkpenalty · Mar 15, 2008

Widjaja said:
Didn't know you had a Zalman fan on your X1950pro.

My X1950pro is still going strong.
Averages around 82degC max load, high a relatively high idle of 52degC.

But still not one artifact or lockup within the months I've owned it.

The fan installed onto the AcceleroS1

BEFORE

AFTER

Widjaja · Mar 15, 2008

Erm both pics have the same fan installed on to the S1.
Interesting your case doesn't seem to have that much in the way of cooling.

Your 8800GT uses an S1 too doesn't it?
Do you have the 8800GT passive or do you have fan(s) added on to the S1 as well?

Do you leave the side panel off all the time on your rigs?

tkpenalty · Mar 15, 2008

Widjaja said:
Erm both pics have the same fan installed on to the S1.
Interesting your case doesn't seem to have that much in the way of cooling.

Your 8800GT uses an S1 too doesn't it?
Do you have the 8800GT passive or do you have fan(s) added on to the S1 as well?

Do you leave the side panel off all the time on your rigs?

8800GT has a fan near it, but technically its passive. X1950PRO requires the fan since the VRMs run too hot. The fan is rotated in the pic, first pic you can see the wiring, second you cant.

thegave · Mar 15, 2008

Vroombang, if you get one of the newer revision Sapphire X1950's they come with their own vrm heatsink that is independent of the hsf so even if you remove the stock cooler the vrm heatsink will still be attached and it is much much much better than the Arctic-Cooling heat spreader.

Friendly reminder, TK!

Widjaja · Mar 15, 2008

So far I have seen three versions of the Sapphire X1950pro AGP.

1:-Reference cooler version which I have.

2:-Looked to have somesort of X1950GT cooler with a aluminium VRM heatsink.

3:-Another which seemed to have the X1950GT cooler and what is possilby a mosfet setup instead of VRMs.

thegave · Mar 15, 2008

I have number two, I believe. The HSF fan is further away from the DVI connecter/backplate right?

Would you have any idea how many caps there are meant to be on that version?

Still need to solve the mystery of the missing cap

3870x2 · Mar 15, 2008

the x1950.... The final reign of dominance before the 8xxx series came out, shadows covered the whole of the land. Legend says that we would be saved, one day, by a card that beheld 2 cores. Historians maintain that this would be the end of ATI, and they pulled through, and the hero shows up. Now we await the final battle between the x2 and GX2 to find out who will rule for the next series. GO ATI!

VroomBang · Mar 15, 2008

thegave said:
Vroombang, if you get one of the newer revision Sapphire X1950's they come with their own vrm heatsink that is independent of the hsf so even if you remove the stock cooler the vrm heatsink will still be attached and it is much much much better than the Arctic-Cooling heat spreader.

Friendly reminder, TK!

thanks for that thegave

do you know if there's an easy way to distinguish between the 3 revisions without dismounting the hsf? I'm not keen on messing up with the thermal paste unless I have to

.
Widjaja mentioned the chip at the bottom right being Pulse (rev 1) or vItec (rev 2). What about the rev 3?

thegave · Mar 16, 2008

If I had to make an educated guess I would say only the rev with the independent vrm heatsink has its own mounting pins, whereas the older rev with the integrated vrm cooler would have no need. so have a look underneath the vrm heatsink and see if there are two small screws that hold it in place.

Widjaja · Mar 16, 2008

Okay I'll knock down two bird with one stone.

@the gave
This is the rev 1 Sapphire X1950pro
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/Sapphire X1950Pro AGP/index.php
Also pictured by vroombang in in page 129.
So if you have the X1950pro with that heatsink you have the revision 1 since you said you have the fan away from the DVI ports.
As you can see there are only two little caps on the rev 1 and thats it.
No caps under the heatsink.
I can't find any pictures of rev 2 and 3 but I know they are both in this huge thread somewhere.

@vroombang
You have a revision 1 Sapphire X1950pro.
There were a few minor changes to rev 1 in the way of components.
e.g removal of the metal support bracket on the back of the card as pictured in the link I gave the the gave.

The change of the pulse chip to vItec.
But not enough to rename it revision 2.

eidairaman1 · Mar 16, 2008

3870X2 is current gen tech, 9800GX2 is supposed to be new gen, cant compare them really, GF9 and R4x are the next line.

3870x2 said:
the x1950.... The final reign of dominance before the 8xxx series came out, shadows covered the whole of the land. Legend says that we would be saved, one day, by a card that beheld 2 cores. Historians maintain that this would be the end of ATI, and they pulled through, and the hero shows up. Now we await the final battle between the x2 and GX2 to find out who will rule for the next series. GO ATI!

thegave · Mar 16, 2008

Ignore what I said earlier, I was smoking crack.

My hsf fan is next to the backplate. Which I'm guessing makes it a rev2 ?

the vrm heatsink is huge and clearly separated from the rest of the hsf.

eidairaman1 · Mar 16, 2008

ya thats how mine is, i think the other one i had before RMA was the original design as adv. on driverheaven

thegave · Mar 16, 2008

So can you tell me how many caps you have on yours? I can see four from my picture..

Widjaja · Mar 16, 2008

@thegave.
Yes yours is the rev 2 model.
The cooling makes more sense than revision 1.
Seriously when I've had the card cranking, if I found the scondary DVI out, gets pretty hot because nearly all the copperfins are pointing towards it.
Although, the revision 2 would be blowing hot air on to the vrm heatsink but still should be better cooling.

Although I'm a bit confused about the pulse chip being on there.
I'm pretty sure they stopped using those and started using vItec chips unless. . . .
Sapphire may have been refurbishing the RMA'ed rev1 cards and adding the new cooler with separate vrm heatsink.

One thing. . . .
Is your card working fine?
Just wondering with all the questions you have asked.

Also show us a pic of the cap you found.

VroomBang · Mar 16, 2008

A better way to spot the difference between rev 1 and rev 2: on my rev1 (see picture page 129), the robot lady is about to punch me in the face (which she did on various occasions), whereas on rev 2 (picture from thegave), she clearly opens her arms and shows me her tits. I think she's trying to make up. I hope all this translates into "I'm running much cooler now".

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