Problem with my Dad's PC

JrRacinFan · Apr 6, 2008

Heck it could even be a combination of that and the psu. Most mobos will give a beep error out the case speaker if no onboard/discreet video is installed. Others will just not post.

alexp999 · Apr 6, 2008

JrRacinFan said:
Heck it could even be a combination of that and the psu. Most mobos will give a beep error out the case speaker if no onboard/discreet video is installed. Others will just not post.

K well I will have a look through his bios in a bit. See if anything in there could be causing it. What do you think about that Antec PSU tester I posted?

http://www.antec.com/uk/productDetails.php?ProdID=77203

JrRacinFan · Apr 6, 2008

Wouldn't bother with it. Pretty sure since you CAN get it to post after a few attempts that power supply is good.

Just curious, What speed and timings are on the XMS2's?

alexp999 · Apr 6, 2008

JrRacinFan said:
Wouldn't bother with it. Pretty sure since you CAN get it to post after a few attempts that power supply is good.

Just curious, What speed and timings are on the XMS2's?

Stock is supposed to be 675Mhz 4-4-4-12 @ 1.9v
But even setting it at 666Mhz 5-5-5-15 @ 1.8v didnt help.

The pain with this is that I might not know for a month whether the setting I have changed has worked. And with there being so many variables on a computer... :banghead:

JrRacinFan · Apr 6, 2008

LOL, Only reason why I asked is because I was looking at some new ram.

intel igent · Apr 6, 2008

have you tried 2.0v or 2.1v for the RAM?

alexp999 · Apr 6, 2008

intel igent said:
have you tried 2.0v or 2.1v for the RAM?

How come?? It is above the MF's recommended. Would that cause these odd failed boots. Never had any probs with that ram at that voltage on my Pc.

intel igent · Apr 6, 2008

might need a little extra Vram since youre using 4 stix

might also need a little extra MCH (n/b?) volts as well

whenever you run four stix it adds extra strain on the mem controller

you asked for help and im trying :eek:

alexp999 · Apr 6, 2008

intel igent said:
might need a little extra Vram since youre using 4 stix

might also need a little extra MCH (n/b?) volts as well

whenever you run four stix it adds extra strain on the mem controller

you asked for help and im trying

No I just wondered why the RAM needs more voltage than MF says when there are 4. I can understand a higher MCH voltage, will try that too.

Appreciate the help, gives me a few things to try when he finishes what he doing on it.

ShadowFold · Apr 6, 2008

I had the same problem. Turns out one of my rams sticks were dead.

alexp999 · Apr 6, 2008

ShadowFold said:
I had the same problem. Turns out one of my rams sticks were dead.

Wouldnt something like that have showed up in memtest tho?

intel igent · Apr 6, 2008

even though they specify 1.9v as stock they will run at 2.0v-2.1v without a hitch

dont go crazy and use huge amounts of voltage but a small bump should get ya stable

like i said earlier i had old school BH-5's (rated 2.8v stock IIRC) that would not boot at anything less than 3.0v, and someone help me if i left the PC off for more than 10min i had to reboot the sucker like 5-6 times atleast before she would pass POST and load windows. i used to run those stix at 3.4v 250 2/2/2/5 until one stick died, guess thats what happens when you substitute your stock intel cooler for a RAM cooler :nutkick:

cold boot was also a known issue with those IC's

good luck with it and keep us posted

:toast:

alexp999 · Apr 6, 2008

intel igent said:
even though they specify 1.9v as stock they will run at 2.0v-2.1v without a hitch

dont go crazy and use huge amounts of voltage but a small bump should get ya stable

like i said earlier i had old school BH-5's (rated 2.8v stock IIRC) that would not boot at anything less than 3.0v, and someone help me if i left the PC off for more than 10min i had to reboot the sucker like 5-6 times atleast before she would pass POST and load windows. i used to run those stix at 3.4v 250 2/2/2/5 until one stick died, guess thats what happens when you substitute your stock intel cooler for a RAM cooler cold boot was also a known issue with those IC's

good luck with it and keep us posted

Well I have upped the NB voltage, I will set the ram at 2.0v and all I can do is wait for it to possibly go wrong again, it could be tomorrow or it could be next month.

Unless anybody else got any ideas...

...Watch this space :ohwell:

...

alexp999 · Apr 6, 2008

The other thing I noticed was that when I had 2 gb of the same ram, at the same speed and timings and voltage. i scored 5.9 for the memory in vista, my dad only scores 5.3 with 4gb. WTF??

xu^ · Apr 6, 2008

i have a very similar issue on my main pc ,every now and then ,completely random where the black windows xp screen comes up and scrolling logo appears ,it simply freezes there ,i hit reset and its fine.
tbh i gave up mnths ago trying to find out wat it was lol

system is prime stable and is fine under load ,baffles me as well but ive just put it down to "one of those things"

alexp999 · Apr 6, 2008

xubidoo said:
i have a very similar issue on my main pc ,every now and then ,completely random where the black windows xp screen comes up and scrolling logo appears ,it simply freezes there ,i hit reset and its fine.
tbh i gave up mnths ago trying to find out wat it was lol

system is prime stable and is fine under load ,baffles me as well but ive just put it down to "one of those things"

Yeah, just wierd how it does it at boot sometimes tho.
I see you got the E2160 upto 2.6ghz. I could never get it stable their lol! nice 1 :toast:

Your ram should come tomorrow. Not sure if you already knew but to get it to run at 1.9v like corsair say. After a lot of surfing I found out that the setting in the Asrock Bios for Ram voltage. The settings are High: 1.95v, Norm: 1.8v, Low: 1.65v. So if you want to run at 4-4-4-12 720Mhz (based on CPu OC) then it should work great on high.

Good luck, hope I get this sorted for my dad tho, its being a real PAI!

Mussels · Apr 6, 2008

i too say PSU... its some form of cold boot bug, which is either PSU (not that likely, with a 750W unless its failing) bad ram settings/voltages (its possible the board takes a few seconds to get the requierd settings, causing a lockup on the first try - try raising the voltage 1-2 notches on ram) and lastly... who the F knows. its always a pain when this happens.

alexp999 · Apr 6, 2008

Mussels said:
i too say PSU... its some form of cold boot bug, which is either PSU (not that likely, with a 750W unless its failing) bad ram settings/voltages (its possible the board takes a few seconds to get the requierd settings, causing a lockup on the first try - try raising the voltage 1-2 notches on ram) and lastly... who the F knows. its always a pain when this happens.

Like I say I have pushed up NB and RAM voltage 0.1v above normal so hopefully. It tries to boot so fast tho. My mobo is a bit slower takes it time to power on. :ohwell:

only time will tell!

3870x2 · Apr 8, 2008

thats nothing to do with the speed of the motherboard, rather the firmware settings of whatever is connected to your motherboard, be it videocard, etc.. which may have a pause setting on it, most likely a bios issue though. BTW nice looking computer case.

alexp999 · Apr 16, 2008

It has done it today.

.

What could possibly be cuasing this??

A bad PSU?? How would I know??

alexp999 · Apr 16, 2008

I've just checked the voltages in the bios. All the voltages look okay except the 3.3v is showing up as 3.2v.
And just now his computer woudlnt restart properly.

Does this sound PSu related?

cheers!

alexp999 · Apr 16, 2008

Okay, I have just tried a cheapo 650W PSU in his system and compared the voltages:

...........Silverstone.........Cheapo

3.3v:........3.22v..............3.30v
3.3v Dual:..3.22v.............3.30v
12v:.........12.08v............12.24v
5v:...........4.99v..............5.16v

Let me know what you think,

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!!!

Exavier · Apr 16, 2008

I've heard about this so much with 680i related boards, maybe it's just a reference problem? D:

alexp999 · Apr 17, 2008

Exavier said:
I've heard about this so much with 680i related boards, maybe it's just a reference problem? D:

How do you mean??

Exavier · Apr 17, 2008

an actual problem with the board itself due to its' design, not any of your secondary components...but then, it could be most anything..

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