Sapphire X800GTO AGP: R430 or R480 ?

fiddlerJ · Mar 28, 2006

I' ve just bought and installed a new Sapphire X800GTO AGP.

Is there a software way to know for sure which processor I have (R430 or R480) without opening the case again? And for memory (2.0 ns or 1.6ns) ?

The modding to try to unlock the 4 pipelines (12-->16) is possible only for R480 or for R430 too? Is there a way to know in advance (es. fuses read) if it will work or is it just try & pray ?

thanx

RatusNatus · Mar 28, 2006

You'll have to look!

zekrahminator · Mar 28, 2006

ATItool should tell you what core you have, good luck finding out the memory

dolf · Mar 28, 2006

First step is to install ATITool. Start "find max" core and if the result is 400-450MHz most probably you have R430. If you can reach 450-600MHz most probably you have R480. If you have locked pipes post your fuse results to see whether we can help you

.

Good luck

fiddlerJ · Mar 28, 2006

dolf said:
First step is to install ATITool. Start "find max" core and if the result is 400-450MHz most probably you have R430. If you can reach 450-600MHz most probably you have R480. If you have locked pipes post your fuse results to see whether we can help you .

Good luck

Thanks!! It goes no more than 440Mhz so I guess it's R430.....

I attach my fuses, if I have understood well its meaning, I can unlock 4 pipes, can you confirm??

infrared · Mar 28, 2006

yep, post your bios and i'll modify it quick.

fiddlerJ · Mar 28, 2006

here it is, thanks !!

what happens if i flash the modded bios and the pipes are bad ?

infrared · Mar 28, 2006

If the pipes are bad, you can "blind flash" back, which is really easy. You insert the floppy, and restart. Wait for your pc to finish loading from the floppy, and use the same command line, with the original bios' name in place of the new one.

to flash, make a bootable floppy disk, put atiflash on it, your original bios, and the modified one. Make sure both bios names are easy to remember. Eg. original.bin, newbios.bin.

insert the floppy disk, and restart your computer, which should load from the floppy disk into dos. If not, you need to change the boot settings i your bios. Once it's finished loading, use this command:

atiflash -p -f -newbios 0 [biosname].bin

(same command with the other bios name is used to flash back)

Good luck

fiddlerJ · Mar 29, 2006

infrared said:
If the pipes are bad, you can "blind flash" back, which is really easy. You insert the floppy, and restart. Wait for your pc to finish loading from the floppy, and use the same command line, with the original bios' name in place of the new one.

to flash, make a bootable floppy disk, put atiflash on it, your original bios, and the modified one. Make sure both bios names are easy to remember. Eg. original.bin, newbios.bin.

insert the floppy disk, and restart your computer, which should load from the floppy disk into dos. If not, you need to change the boot settings i your bios. Once it's finished loading, use this command:

atiflash -p -f -newbios 0 [biosname].bin

(same command with the other bios name is used to flash back)

Good luck

I did as you said and everything seems ok, atitool now tells me 16 pipeline active :cool:

But how can I tell if the 4 more pipes are bad or have problems, which are the effects (artifacts or the card doesn't work in some circumstances)?
It seems all ok to me but I'd like to be sure....

thanks a lot

infrared · Mar 29, 2006

umm, just let atitool find the max core. It will usually be slightly lower than your previous overclock, but if it finds artifacts at stock speeds, that's when you know they're bad.

Good job, nice to hear you got all 16 cylinders firing!

tostator · Apr 1, 2006

Probably your mems are 2.0 Nseg. My sapphire X800 Gto AGP is a R480 and 2.0 Nseg. No posibility to unlock 16 pipes in this case. Your are lucky!!!

saludos

micron · Apr 2, 2006

Even with 16pp, it will still be slower than a 12pp R480 AGP X800GTO.

Unfortunately.

Psyonide · Apr 13, 2006

@infrared:

Thanks! I was looking around for some instructions on how to edit my bios to unlock (or at least try to unlock) the remaining 4 pipes on my new card. I noticed I had the same fuse readings as fiddler did, so I downloaded the bios that you modified for him, followed your instructions, and I now have all 16 pipes working! Many, many thanks!

I did notice, just for reference if anyone happens to have the same card and wants to try this method, that after I unlocked the pipes I could not overclock anywhere past 420mhz core. Whenever ATITool got to 420 my whole system would crash. My ram still successfully goes up to about 540 and I'm getting around 1000 points greater in 3dmark05 (that's 16Pipes@415/540 vs 12Pipes Stock). Interestingly, my scores between running 12Pipes OC'd to max and 16Pipes 'Stock' are roughly the same. I guess this would mean the pipes are functioning

.

Thanks again,

Psy

Tatty_Two · Apr 13, 2006

infrared said:
yep, post your bios and i'll modify it quick.

Reminds me why I joined these forums, people who really do help rather than just talking about it!! Always a pleasure.

Tatty_Two · Apr 13, 2006

Psyonide said:
@infrared:

Thanks! I was looking around for some instructions on how to edit my bios to unlock (or at least try to unlock) the remaining 4 pipes on my new card. I noticed I had the same fuse readings as fiddler did, so I downloaded the bios that you modified for him, followed your instructions, and I now have all 16 pipes working! Many, many thanks!

I did notice, just for reference if anyone happens to have the same card and wants to try this method, that after I unlocked the pipes I could not overclock anywhere past 420mhz core. Whenever ATITool got to 420 my whole system would crash. My ram still successfully goes up to about 540 and I'm getting around 1000 points greater in 3dmark05 (that's 16Pipes@415/540 vs 12Pipes Stock). Interestingly, my scores between running 12Pipes OC'd to max and 16Pipes 'Stock' are roughly the same. I guess this would mean the pipes are functioning .
Thanks again,

Psy

Did you revert to stock clocks before you flashed, failing to do so is a common cause of low overclocks after-flash.

Grodaf · May 5, 2006

i just bought my new graphic card, a sapphire x800gto(R430) agp
i tried to flash it with the midified bios made by infrared but no way to unlock these 4 last pipes.. :ohwell:

atitool tells me that there are always 12 pipes, i posted a screen with atitool, is my card unlockable??

Clocked · May 5, 2006

Hey, Infrared, can i have mine????? PLEASE!!!!

dolf · May 5, 2006

Grodaf I have prepared Automated Flash Utility for cards like your (with R430 and Realto bridge).
I will send it to you tomorrow. You can flash to 16 pipes (meanwhile your card can be unlocked

) or to rollback to 12 pipes, also you can flash a overclocked BIOS (also included) with 440/540MHz. I remake the utility and will reduce the clocks of the OC BIOS to 420/525MHz because 440 should be too much for most R430

.

Grodaf · May 5, 2006

THX!!!

yes 440mhz for the core will be too much, i tested and maximum found by atitool is 430mhz, higher i had no screen

Grodaf · May 6, 2006

i suceeded to flash my bios with this modified bios:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=5367&page=137 #1366

it worked, i had my 16 pipes.. during 1 hour :ohwell:

after i had artifacts on my screen

so i tried to put back my default bios, re-installing dirvers etc, i got back 12pipes but there still these f**k*n artifacts

is my card dead??

dolf · May 6, 2006

Decrease the memory and after that core clock until the artifacts disappear (if they). Fine the stable clocks for both with 16 pipes.

Grodaf · May 6, 2006

still artefacts with 200mhz for core an 250mhz for memory..

dont know what to do, i think my card is endommaged, will give it back to shop and wait.. but my guarantee is now wasted.. :s

dolf · May 6, 2006

Flash the original BIOS with atiflash and command line:
atiflash -newbios -f -p 0 backup.bin (or whatever the name is but with max. 8 symbols). If you still have artifacts just RMA it. You haven't done nothing

. You can also try with flashing of empty.bin (DO NOT RESTART after) flash the original BIOS.

Grodaf · May 6, 2006

if card is sent to sapphire, won't they see that I flashed the bios??
in this case they could refuse to change my card.. :/
anyway i knew risks... :ohwell:

dolf · May 6, 2006

If you have just flashed the BIOS (no cooler removeing) you shouldn't worry. Before to return it try to flash it with other utility and finaly return to the original BIOS with preliminary flashed empty.bin (again - DO NOT RESTART after the flashing of empty.bin imediately after that flash with your backup.bin and finaly restart.) . Now you are ready for RMA and 16 pipes next time

.

I will send you the automated flash utility. Just follow the instructions in the .pdf file and let me know what will happen.

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